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Speaker 1: Hey, Hello there, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: This is Chris New Year's Eve Eve. My name is

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Speaker 2: Neil W.

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Speaker 1: McCabe, and I'll be sitting in for Grant tonight and

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Speaker 1: I'm just thrilled to be with you, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: thrilled to bring you the guests and the stories that

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Speaker 1: you'll be talking about tomorrow when you're arguing with your

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Speaker 1: relatives and your friends as we all take a break

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Speaker 1: during the holidays. Our first guest is going to be

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Speaker 1: Minnesota State Rep. Kristin Robbins, who is a candidate for

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Speaker 1: governor of Minnesota, and I'm going to bring her on

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Speaker 1: for a.

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Speaker 2: Minute, but at first want to say that.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to be talking about the situation in

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Speaker 1: Israel with Benjamin Nett and Yahoo's visit to mar A Lago,

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Speaker 1: also with Ukraine, and we're also going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about some of the other issues of the day, including

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Speaker 1: the anniversary of J six, the pardons of J six,

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Speaker 1: and of course the anniversary of JA six itself that's

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Speaker 1: coming up. But first let's bring on Minnesota State Representative

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Speaker 1: Kristin Robbins. Kristin, thank you very much for being with

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Speaker 1: us on real America's Voice.

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Speaker 3: How are you, I'm great, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Now, in twenty twenty four, your governor Tim Walls was

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Speaker 1: running for Vice President of the United States, and every

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Speaker 1: so often you'd see a little blip in the news

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Speaker 1: about maybe there's some fraud going on in Minnesota. Maybe

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Speaker 1: there's something going on, but obviously the mainstream media had

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Speaker 1: no interest in covering it. But it's been an active

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Speaker 1: issue in Minnesota. Can you just sort of talk about

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Speaker 1: how this thing was sort of festering and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden blew up.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, please, yes.

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Speaker 3: So we've been aware of a lot of fraud in

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Speaker 3: Minnesota from an earlier childcare scandal that then everyone said

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Speaker 3: was fixed, right, and then we had the Feeding our

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Speaker 3: Future scandal, which during COVID they used child nutrition dollars

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Speaker 3: to scan the state out of over three hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of that money went for overseas purchases

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Speaker 3: of real estate like an apartment building in Nairobi, a

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Speaker 3: resorting Kenya, and our tax dollars were just absconded with.

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Speaker 3: And so from the Feeding our Future indictments and from

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Speaker 3: that series of court cases, we saw other vectors of fraud.

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Speaker 3: So someone involved in feeding our future also was involved

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Speaker 3: in autism centers or sober homes or non emergent and

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Speaker 3: see medical transportation or adult day care. And now I

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Speaker 3: uncovered a vector of assisted living fraud. So we're seeing

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Speaker 3: the same pattern over and over and so it's the

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Speaker 3: same business model of fraud that just keeps being perpetuated

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Speaker 3: because the administration Tim Walls has turned a blind eye

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Speaker 3: to all this fraud despite credible whistleblower reports for years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell you, I'm also consumed with guilt

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Speaker 1: over this issue because of the role that I played

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Speaker 1: in not doing anything about it. Because in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: I was the communications director for Project Veritas with James

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Speaker 1: O'Keefe and we did a massive investigation into ballot harvesting,

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Speaker 1: illegal ballot harvesting in Ward six in Minneapolis, and how

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Speaker 1: the Somali community was sort of being used and manipulated

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Speaker 1: basically by the same warlords and bandits that were running

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Speaker 1: them in Somalia. They basically just they went from being

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Speaker 1: warlord to sort of precinct captains in Ward six in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: and basically it was this Somali population was giving such

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Speaker 1: at Project Veritas started looking. He started looking into some

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Speaker 1: of the businesses and some of the welfare and some

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Speaker 1: of the different things that were going on, and he

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Speaker 1: actually he spent like an hour drawing it all out

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Speaker 1: things to go on. Obviously, the ballot harvesting was the

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Speaker 2: And so can you sort of talk about too.

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Speaker 1: The effect of the Somali community and what that does

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, obviously it's a strong voting block for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a clip of Nick Shirley, who's the

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Speaker 1: young journalist whose report has gone viral. Obviously he was

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Speaker 1: relying on investigative reporter, his colleague David And obviously a

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Speaker 1: lot of this stuff has been in the ether on

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Speaker 2: Was Nick Shirley's report. So let's just play a clip

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Speaker 2: of this. Now, are there local reporters like that in

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Speaker 4: And why do you think they weren't doing the work

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm like they're scared of being called nowadays because it's

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Speaker 5: somoliums that are committians product people are scared of be

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Speaker 5: calling Islamophobic racist, in which has nothing to do with

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Speaker 5: what's going on. Because fraud is fraud. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 5: if it's a black person, white person agent versuson Mexican.

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Speaker 5: Fraud is fraud.

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Speaker 1: And it reminds me of a joke we used to

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Speaker 2: What do you call a Republican.

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Speaker 1: Who's winning an argument a racist right or a Nazi

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Speaker 1: or a fascist, or you know, whatever whatever seems to be.

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Speaker 1: But I think that people also have to understand the

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Speaker 1: cultural impact, not just the political and the economic impact

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Speaker 1: of what this Somali community is, what it represents, because

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Speaker 1: you know, it's obviously they're foreigners, but this is this

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Speaker 1: is a culture that has no nexus to the existing

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Speaker 1: culture in Minnesota. I deployed to Iraq with the thirty

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Speaker 1: and you know, I kept hearing them.

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Speaker 2: Say this word ufta. You ever hear this word ufta?

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Speaker 3: Chris, I say ucha, I'm a Norwegian American.

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Speaker 2: So everybody's saying ufta.

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Speaker 1: I assumed it was some Arabic word because I really

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Speaker 1: didn't pay attention in Arabic class at all, Like it

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Speaker 1: there's Germans, there's Swedes, there's Fins, there's a whole, there's

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Speaker 1: do with the Somalis. And it was just sort of

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Speaker 1: dropped into your state in the nineties. I have a

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Speaker 1: clip here of a documentary from the United Nations that sort.

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Speaker 2: Of talks about that atmosphere in the nineties. I want

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Speaker 1: Then we can sort of talk about how the sort

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Speaker 1: of the cultural the cultural action that's going on, the

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Speaker 1: cultural friction that's created.

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Speaker 2: By the Somalies. Go ahead with that clip, please.

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Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety nine, the United States designated this group

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Speaker 6: a persecuted class of people who deserve to be resettled

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Speaker 6: in America. During the next two years, as many as

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Speaker 6: twelve thousand Somali Bantu could be approved by US immigration

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Speaker 6: officials for resettlement.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the greatest war movies ever made

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Speaker 1: was black Hawk Down.

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Speaker 2: And so people know.

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Speaker 1: Blackhawk Down, but I don't think they understand how so

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Speaker 1: that's set in motion a chain of events that ended

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Speaker 1: up with you know, maybe sixty thousand, maybe one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand Somalis being brought to Minnesota. How has that changed

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Speaker 1: the culture of Minnesota and created frictions that are unfortunate?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that Minnesota has a lot of

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Speaker 3: different cultures here, as you listed, a lot of Scandinavian German,

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Speaker 3: also very large Latino population, a lot of people from India,

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Speaker 3: have blended well. But I do think here, particularly with

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Speaker 3: the Somali community, that has been where we found the

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Speaker 3: most fraud, and not being able to say that out

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Speaker 3: loud because people were afraid of being called racist or

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Speaker 3: Islamophobic is what allowed the fraud to perpetuate. So we

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Speaker 3: have to call it out. We have to say most

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Speaker 3: of the fraud is in the Somali community, but we

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Speaker 3: also have to save other things that are true, and

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Speaker 3: one of which is that some of my best whistleblowers

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Speaker 3: So I think that it's really important that we call

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Speaker 3: If we stick to that, that is how we're going

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Speaker 3: to root out the fraud and hold everyone accountable, regardless

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Speaker 1: Now you're running for governor. Is Walls going to be

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Speaker 1: on the ballot or is he turned out.

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Speaker 3: He is on the ballot. We don't have a limit

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Speaker 3: on governor terms here, so he will be running for

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Speaker 3: his third term. And he has been completely derelict in

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Speaker 3: his duties. So I don't think Minnesotans want to return

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Speaker 3: him to the governor's office. They want a new leader

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Speaker 3: who's going to have a no fraud, no excuses culture

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Speaker 3: and clean this mess up.

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Speaker 1: I think that we've already seen some surge of activity

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Speaker 1: and interest from the federal government. The FBI and the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department are now being engaged.

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Speaker 2: But on the state.

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Speaker 1: Level, you have, as I see it, three ways of

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Speaker 1: holding people accountable. One is obviously your race for governor

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Speaker 1: where you would have a new administration for your state.

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Speaker 1: But then also there's the legislation, the legislature rather which

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Speaker 1: could have oversight, which you of course have been very

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Speaker 1: active in in the Fraud Committee.

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Speaker 2: But what about the prosecutors.

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Speaker 1: It's my impression that the prosecutors in Minnesota, the state

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Speaker 1: prosecutors have no interest in pursuing these at all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we haven't seen many state prosecutions out of the

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Speaker 3: state Attorney General Keith Ellison, but our federal partners at

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Speaker 3: the DOJ, through the Office of the US Attorney here

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Speaker 3: have been fantastic and they're the ones who have brought

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Speaker 3: all the charges and indictments and the prosecutions of the

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Speaker 3: feeding our future cases. And now they've branched into autism

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Speaker 3: centers and integrated community supports, and I know they have

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Speaker 3: many others you know that they're working on to bring forward.

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Speaker 3: So the prosecutors that have been doing the work from

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Speaker 3: the US Attorney's Office are sheros and they need more help.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm grateful to see all the surge of

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Speaker 3: federal resources here, but we need more forensic accountants and

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Speaker 3: we need more prosecutors from DJ That's what would really help.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they're getting the message tonight, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure a lot of people who have been banging the

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Speaker 1: pots and pans over this.

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Speaker 2: Over the last few days. Kristin, where can people find

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Oh fantastic, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is Special Assistant to President Trump Army

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel retired Derek Harvey. Colonel Harvey, It's great to

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Speaker 2: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 7: We are doing well. And I found that article that

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Speaker 7: Well, the war continues to drag on and the negotiations

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much for joining us, Colonel. Where

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Speaker 7: On Twitter it's at Colonel d Harvey and on True

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Speaker 1: Fantastic And I hope you're enjoying the Christmas season and

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Speaker 7: Same to you.

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Speaker 11: Been too long, But to see you, Deny, it's a

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Speaker 11: nice little New Year's present.

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Speaker 8: Doing well.

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Speaker 11: Hope you are too good to see you on TV again.

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Speaker 11: I really really have missed you and really appreciate you

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Speaker 11: more than you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen for people who don't know. Not only is

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Speaker 2: A phenomenal, just phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Military historian who's covered things like the extortion seventeen incident

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Speaker 1: and was also very I don't know if did you

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Speaker 1: actually write about Clinton Laurance where you just stug.

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Speaker 11: Wrote the book Travesty of Justice, The Shocking Prosecution of

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Speaker 11: Clinton Drants worked very closely with our Secretary of War

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Speaker 11: Pete Hedgeseth. Pete and I worked almost for two years

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Speaker 11: on that case, which led up to President Trump pardoning

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Speaker 11: Clinton Laurance. One of the I still get goosebumps thinking

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Speaker 11: about it. It's one of those things you're coughing something

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Speaker 11: that's larger than life. The President's pardoned two of my clients,

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Speaker 11: Clint and also a young man.

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Speaker 8: Who is a Jay six er. You mentioned that as well.

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Speaker 11: So I've been a really fortunate attorney to have President

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Speaker 11: Trump step in and pardon two clients, and I still

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Speaker 11: have to pinch myself to really seems sur realistic sometimes,

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Speaker 11: but I know the guy has fortitude and and we'll

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Speaker 11: stand against the blowing wind when the wind's blowing in

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Speaker 11: the wrong direction. So but thanks for asking about Thanks

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Speaker 11: for mentioning distortion. Those parents will appreciate that, and thanks

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Speaker 11: for remembering the Lorance case as well. We're making progress

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Speaker 11: in the extortion investigation and Clint is now out and

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Speaker 2: So we're very very grateful for the President stepping in

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Speaker 2: that case. Yeah, so listen, I brought you on to

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Speaker 2: talk about J six.

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Speaker 1: Looking back now as we approach that anniversary and the

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Speaker 2: What was that thing really about?

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Speaker 11: To you, sir, First, the farther we get away from it,

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Speaker 11: the more the truth is unveiled. J six was a

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Speaker 11: fed direction. And I represent the youngest, probably the youngest

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Speaker 11: Jay six or Elliot Bsha twenty years old, the.

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Speaker 2: Kid walking into the Capitol walk.

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Speaker 11: Around, came out. His dad had been calling me. The

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Speaker 11: FBI wanted to talk to Elliott. I would not let them.

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Speaker 11: Around March the sixteenth or seventeenth, I got a call

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Speaker 11: Elliott from Eliot's dad at twelve and I'll get this

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Speaker 11: Neil twelve. He said, don I've got twelve FBI counter

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Speaker 11: terrorism agents raiding my house right now.

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Speaker 8: And I think, what did the kid do?

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Speaker 11: And I threw my suit on and go down to

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Speaker 11: the Federal Courthouse in Columbia meet with the US Attorney

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Speaker 11: five myth demeanors. In fact, some of the counter terrorism

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Speaker 11: agents were apologizing for the overkill that they had been

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Speaker 11: ordered to engage in, and the prosecutions on the backside

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Speaker 11: had been an assault on the constitution. Had another book

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Speaker 11: come out, Kangaroo Court last year, and one of the chapters,

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Speaker 11: chapter thirty five, I analyzed, for example, the JA six

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Speaker 11: prosecutions versus the George Floyd prosecutions. Ninety five percent of

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Speaker 11: the George Floyd prosecutions and the misdemeanor categories were dismissed

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Speaker 11: by Democrat prosecutors, but ninety eight percent of the JAY

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Speaker 2: And the justice law law. It's an assault on the constitution.

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Speaker 1: Hey, commander, hold on, commander, when you talk about the

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Speaker 1: George Floyd prosecutions, you're not talking about the first responders

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Speaker 1: of the police officers who are actually trying to try

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Speaker 1: to solve that problem that Floyd created. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: the people who were burning our cities to the ground,

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Speaker 1: like the fires and one hundred cities in that terrible summer.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 11: Ninety five percent of those defendants were dismissed by Democrat prosecutors.

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Speaker 11: Ninety eight percent of the fifteen hundred or so j

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Speaker 11: of Judge Tanya Chuck and the same Democrat judge that

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Speaker 11: judged that President Trump was in front of and the

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Speaker 11: Jack Smith case that was appropriately eventually dismissed, and I.

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Speaker 2: Told the judge that you're on to this young man.

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Speaker 8: All he did was he's been he was my client.

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Speaker 11: Eliot Basha wound up pleading to one count of entering

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Speaker 11: and remaining and in the restricted area, Neil. That is

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Speaker 11: a federal trespass penalty, a misdemeanor. And I told the

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Speaker 11: judge and she agreed Ashley treustpassing. You know, charges around

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Speaker 11: the country are never resulting in incarceration, especially the first time.

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Speaker 11: Usually there's a slap on the wrist and a fine

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Speaker 11: if even that, And a lot of times when First

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Speaker 11: Amendment issues are involved, they're not even charged at all.

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Speaker 2: But the trucked Biden Justice.

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Speaker 11: Department was an intent and held bent on prosecuting Trump supporters.

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Speaker 11: They even took part of the Star Means Oxi Acts,

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Speaker 11: Section fifteen twelve and try to turn it into a

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Speaker 1: Just so people know, Just so people know, that was

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Speaker 1: an Enron law, right, that was create it for Enron,

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Speaker 1: and they repurposed it, right, And so that's another reason.

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Speaker 1: That's another reason I hate recycling. So, all right, Don,

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Speaker 1: where can people find you on the socials? And how's

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Speaker 1: your campaign for Senate going? We've got thirty.

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Speaker 8: Seconds for so going great. We think we're in the

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Speaker 8: lead right now.

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Speaker 11: Find us on our website at brownfour Inc.

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Speaker 8: Dot com.

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Speaker 11: That's brownfour Inc. Dot com and on Twitter at Don

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Speaker 11: Brown for NC. And we would love to hear from

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Speaker 11: our folks and always try to correspond and hit that

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Speaker 11: donate button. We can use a little bit of a

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Speaker 11: donation here before the close of the year. We're going

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Speaker 11: to win this race. We're gonna come in to Washington.

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Speaker 11: Look forward to seeing more of you.

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Speaker 2: Neil McCain.

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Speaker 8: I really appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks son. Hey guys, it's fast moving.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, we will talk to Kennon Spivak

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Speaker 1: about Israel and we'll see you on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 8: This is Neil W.

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Speaker 2: McCabe.

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Speaker 1: Before you, I'm subbing for Grant, So before you start

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Speaker 1: complaining and calling the control room to say there's a

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Speaker 1: problem with your set, Grant will be back. I'm just

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Speaker 1: your substitute teacher tonight. On with me now is author

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Speaker 1: and Real Clear Politics contributor in international business leader Kennan Spivak,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about this situation with Israel

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Speaker 1: Net Yahoo, Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Mister Spivak, Thank you very much for coming in.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for having me, and Happy New Year's Eve, Eve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah really two eaves, right, what a deal.

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Speaker 1: The But before we before we go deeper into I'm

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Speaker 1: going to show a clip of the President speaking. But

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Speaker 1: before I go to the President speaking, how do you

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Speaker 1: think the President has handled the Gaza situation, which was

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Speaker 1: literally dropped in his lap. He had nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with it. It's just sort of one of those things.

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Speaker 1: It's like clean up in Aisle Gaza. What is your

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Speaker 1: take on how he's done so far, sir?

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Speaker 8: Almost perfectly.

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Speaker 4: You know, the left would never give him credit for this,

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Speaker 4: but excuse me, but Donald Trump really cherish his human life,

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Speaker 4: and he did everything he could to give a break

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Speaker 4: to Jamas and to give them a chance and then

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Speaker 4: another chance. But he's really had Israel's back in trying

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Speaker 4: to bring to an end a terrible terrorist regime that

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Speaker 4: didn't just massacre Israeli's citizen, but massacres its own citizens.

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Speaker 4: They're not using their guns currently to shoot Israelis. They're

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Speaker 4: using their guns to shoot Palestinians in Gaza who just

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Speaker 4: want to have a better life. So I think Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump has done a fantastic job here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before I go to the clip, I just you know,

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Speaker 1: since you mentioned it, I think that almost everything the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media tells me about President Donald J.

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Speaker 2: Trump is wrong.

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Speaker 1: And this is a man who's obviously right, a man

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Speaker 1: of great compassion, but he has always described to me

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Speaker 1: as some raving, lunatic, evil guy who just wants to

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Speaker 1: destroy and hurt. And yet in any of my interactions

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Speaker 1: with him, he's been patient, he's been considerate, he's listened

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Speaker 1: to every word. I know all politicians, all politicians, you know,

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Speaker 1: you finish an interview with a you think you're such

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Speaker 1: good friends, you're going to go fishing next Saturday. But

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Speaker 1: I think that in an actual practice, as somebody took

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Speaker 1: the time to watch how President Trump operates, you would

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Speaker 1: understand that there's tremendous compassion and generosity in his heart

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Speaker 1: and that's what's motivating him in other areas, but specifically Gaza.

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad you mentioned that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, in his pre political days, I did business

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Speaker 4: with Donald Trump, and I found him to be really

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Speaker 4: good person to do business with because he cared about

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Speaker 4: the people involved in the deal, the people involved in

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Speaker 4: the company.

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Speaker 8: He was very gracious, he was very humble.

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Speaker 4: I think as a politician his language is to be fair,

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Speaker 4: sometimes in temperate and tough, but underneath that, when you

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Speaker 4: look at what he really cares about and you look

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Speaker 4: at what he really tries to do, it's all about

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Speaker 4: helping people, blue collar people, Americans and foreigners as well.

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Speaker 8: I mean, he really is a compassionate person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a clip of the President speaking about

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Speaker 1: the situation in Israel. Let's just go to that clip

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Speaker 1: and then we'll come back.

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Speaker 12: But they made an agreement that they were going to disarm,

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Speaker 12: and you couldn't blame Israel. By the way, we are

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Speaker 12: other countries that will come in and do it. They said,

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Speaker 12: let us do it for you. If they don't, countries

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Speaker 12: that were with them wanted the deal to be made,

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Speaker 12: agreed that they would disarm. And now if they say

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Speaker 12: they're going to disarm, that's fine. If they say they're

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Speaker 12: not going to disarm, those same countries will go and

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Speaker 12: wipe them out.

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Speaker 1: I think that and correct me if I'm wrong, right,

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Speaker 1: But I think you know, what the President is really

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Speaker 1: struggling with is that, you know, he wants to stay

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Speaker 1: with net Yahoo. He trusts net Yahoo. He understands that

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Speaker 1: net Yahoo is the man at the helm. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, this thing has to be untangled, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's this conundrum, you know, because you

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Speaker 1: don't want to be too soft, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: be too hard, and you're just trying to negotiate this thing,

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Speaker 1: because because after Gaza, so many great things can happen.

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Speaker 1: Things can great things can happen for Israel, great things, frankly,

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Speaker 1: can happen for the Palestinians and the rest of the

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Speaker 1: Middle East. How do you think he's struggling with that

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Speaker 1: in the moment.

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Speaker 8: Well, first, too.

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Speaker 4: Many people see this as an Israel Commas or Israel

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Speaker 4: Palestinian dispute. It's certainly not an Israel Palestinian dispute, and

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Speaker 4: the main combatants are Israel and Kamas.

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Speaker 8: But most of the our world is on Israel's side

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Speaker 8: in this.

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Speaker 4: Most of the Arab world has been supporting Israel, whether

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Speaker 4: they're in or not in the Abraham Accords, throughout this period.

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Speaker 4: Now some of them sometimes wish Israel had gone a

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Speaker 4: little more slowly, had spoken more gently. We're back to

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Speaker 4: the optics of how people talk. But the Middle East

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Speaker 4: sees Kamas as the enemy. They see Iran as the enemy,

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Speaker 4: and they see its proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Huthis as

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Speaker 4: the enemy, and they want to bring peace to the

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Speaker 4: Middle East. And Donald Trump is not just Israel's friend,

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Speaker 4: He's the friend of a lot of the Arab countries,

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Speaker 4: even some where I'm not always certain he's right to

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Speaker 4: be as friendly as he is really just one in

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Speaker 4: particular Qatar, but in the case of the other Arab

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Speaker 4: countries and even Katar, he's trying to assemble a coalition

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Speaker 4: that's marching in the same direction, and that direction includes

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Speaker 4: eliminating Iran and its proxies. So once again, I think

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump has it right.

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Speaker 2: No, no, and I think you're absolutely spot on.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the most important development in the Middle East in

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Speaker 1: our lifetime, Kennan, is that the fact that President Trump

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Speaker 1: was able to sort of pull especially those Gulf states too,

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Speaker 1: if not overtly pro is really certainly pro is rarely indeed,

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Speaker 1: and certainly there's tremendous back channels that never exist in

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about the Abraham Accords. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about you know, military and intelligence and economic cooperation,

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Speaker 1: something that just would have seemed impossible, you know, say,

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Speaker 1: forty years ago before we go.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find you on the socials?

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Speaker 4: I'm not on the socials, but they can find me

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Speaker 4: it really for politics, and they can google it.

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Speaker 8: And that's the best way you heard it.

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Speaker 1: Here first, just google it and you'll find him. Thanks lot,

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Speaker 1: Kevin all right, we'll see you after the break. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. We'll see you on the other side. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's the holiday season, and on top of everything else,

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Speaker 1: what you have to worry about is all the illnesses

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Speaker 1: and diseases that your kids bring into your house from

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Speaker 1: playing with their friends and going outside, and of course

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Speaker 1: the struggle with the cold, and certainly in some parts

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Speaker 1: of the country are absolutely getting buried tonight, and so

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Speaker 1: our heart goes out to them. And so what we

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Speaker 1: want to do is we want to stay healthy, and

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Speaker 1: we want to be hearty so that we're good and

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Speaker 1: strong in the new year. And with me now is

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Speaker 1: chief of Disaster and Emergency Medicine for the Wellness Company,

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Speaker 1: doctor Kelly Victory.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, doctor, how are you.

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Speaker 13: Oh, I'm well, thanks and thanks for having me.

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Speaker 8: Neil.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're well, because it's always makes me nervous

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Speaker 1: when the doctor's sick. So all right, Christmas has coming

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Speaker 1: gone and many families have returned home. But unfortunately for

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Speaker 1: millions of Americans, an unwelcomed guest has arrived and it

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Speaker 1: isn't leaving. And that's the triple demic of flu, RSV

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Speaker 1: and COVID can you talk to us about why these

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Speaker 1: three viruses are so rampid this time of year.

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Speaker 13: Well, the reality, Neil, is that these viruses are ubiquitous.

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Speaker 13: They're in the environment all the time, and without question,

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Speaker 13: they are more common in the winter months, in part

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Speaker 13: because of the cold, wet weather, also because people are

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Speaker 13: inside in closer quarters and many of us are not

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Speaker 13: getting as much natural sunlight as we get at other

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Speaker 13: times of the year. But the realities, there's nothing thus

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Speaker 13: far about this particular flu season that leads me to

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Speaker 13: believe it's going to be any worse than previous ones.

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Speaker 13: There's no question that influenza burden is cyclic. Some years

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Speaker 13: are worse than others. In a particularly mild year, we

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Speaker 13: might see as few as nine million cases. In a

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Speaker 13: more robust year, you might see forty or forty five million.

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Speaker 13: But thus far, there is no indication that the influenza outbreak,

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Speaker 13: even with the concombinate RSV and COVID, is going to

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Speaker 13: be any worse. And your leading was perfect. The answer

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Speaker 13: to this is, honestly, to be a good steward of

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Speaker 13: your own immune system, to pay attention to the basics,

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Speaker 13: good sleeping habits, regular exercise, good nutrition, stress, mitigation, and

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Speaker 13: it's hard sometimes at this time of year, around the holidays,

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Speaker 13: we all tend to over indulge a little bit, perhaps

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Speaker 13: get a little bit less exercise than we normally would,

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Speaker 13: and we end up burning the candle at both ends.

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Speaker 13: So it's all about overall wellness and paying attention to

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Speaker 13: your immune system.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going through that list and I'm going I'm

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Speaker 1: reading as you're saying, and I'm going no, No, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: for four. But I promised my wife in January I

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Speaker 1: will behave. Honestly, this time this year is the year

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Speaker 1: I behave. We are getting reports that cases of the

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Speaker 1: triple demic are surging all across the country and in

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Speaker 1: New York alone, hospitalizations have spiked seventy five percent. Do

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Speaker 1: you expect this triple demic to get worse before it

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Speaker 1: gets better?

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Speaker 13: Well, the numbers will continue to rise. That's the natural

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Speaker 13: course of influenza season. So we won't be out of

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Speaker 13: this until probably the.

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Speaker 2: End of March.

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Speaker 13: But as I said, the numbers people are unfortunately bludgeoned

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Speaker 13: and continually neil by the mainstream media trying to raise

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Speaker 13: the fear flag. This started in COVID and it was

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Speaker 13: expedient for them, so they continue it. But again the

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Speaker 13: numbers simply do not reflect something at this juncture at

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Speaker 13: least that is worrisome to me. And if people are concerned,

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Speaker 13: they would do themselves a lot of good to do

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Speaker 13: things like start with the using some nasal sprays and

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Speaker 13: oral sprays that are very very good at decreasing the

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Speaker 13: viral burden. People need to understand the viruses are out there.

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Speaker 13: The most common root of entrance is through your nose

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Speaker 13: and mouth, but they don't immediately go to your lung.

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Speaker 13: They stay in that oral pharanx for a while, sometimes

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Speaker 13: a day or so replicating. So if you can do

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Speaker 13: something as simple as using a nasal spray or an

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Speaker 13: oral spray to decrease that viral burden, you can avoid

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Speaker 13: ever getting infected with influenza, RSV or COVID at.

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Speaker 2: All I know.

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about fear, of course, you know with

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Speaker 1: fear is a problem when you don't have tools to

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Speaker 1: deal with it correct And so if you aren't able

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Speaker 1: to avoid some one of these viruses or all three

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Speaker 1: of them, do you recommend early treatment? If you do,

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Speaker 1: what prescription drugs? Do you think Americans should have on hand.

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Speaker 13: Early treatment is always the key meal, and most people, frankly,

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Speaker 13: will do well just with over the counter medications tile

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Speaker 13: andol ibuprofen, decongestins and antihistamines, simple cough medicines, those sorts

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Speaker 13: of things. If people are concerned, however, if they have

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Speaker 13: underlying health risks that might put them at a higher

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Speaker 13: risk for a severe outcome, then having medications like tamiflu

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Speaker 13: on hand it is very effective if taken early. You

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Speaker 13: can't wait until you've been sick for forty eight hours

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Speaker 13: to initiate it, and that's why we recommend that people

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Speaker 13: have it on hand ahead of time. That along with

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Speaker 13: as I said, the oral sprays and nasal sprays very

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Speaker 13: very good at fighting off ever, even getting infected. Most

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Speaker 13: people will do well without even ever going to the doctor,

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Speaker 13: certainly not to the urgent care or emergence department. And

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Speaker 13: for those few people who are at higher risk, then

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Speaker 13: we absolutely recommend that they have some of these medications

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Speaker 13: on hand. The other thing is you are at higher

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Speaker 13: so having some routine antibiotics on hand ahead of time

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Speaker 13: is also good measure yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, that's all very good advice, and I think

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Speaker 1: people should be aware of all of those things. Chief

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Speaker 1: of Disaster and Emergency Medicine for the Wellness Company, doctor

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Speaker 1: Kelly Victory. Thank you for being with us. Check out

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Speaker 1: ten percent. After the break, we'll be wrapping up, but

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Speaker 1: you don't want to miss what I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: wrapping up with.

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Speaker 2: See you on the other side. Hey, welcome back. This

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Speaker 2: is Neil W. McCabe.

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Speaker 1: I'm a front page contributor at RedState dot com. I'm

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Speaker 1: also one of the co hosts of the Trump Tuesday

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Speaker 1: Space on X and I'm the Washington editor for Armed

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Speaker 1: American Radio. You can find me on all the socials

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Speaker 1: at Reporter McCabe.

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Speaker 2: I do want to tell you that New Year's Eve, Real.

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