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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: Miles gear thrilled to be joined in our third and

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Speaker 1: fourth seats by the co hosts of the wonderful podcast

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Speaker 1: that you must go listen to right now, the future

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Speaker 1: of our former democracy. They are the executive director and

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Speaker 1: the director of Policy and Outreach, respectively, for the racial

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Speaker 1: justice organization More Equitable Democracy. Please welcome George Chung and

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Speaker 1: Colin call Hey, welcome, Yay, hey guys.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. So m know, we like lights. We like to

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Speaker 2: keep the lights.

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Speaker 1: We have invited you into just a blank white space.

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Speaker 1: We record in heavy avoid the hea then the white

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Speaker 1: void of old Mac versus PC commercials.

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Speaker 2: Or what was the one? What isn't in Willy Wonka?

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Speaker 2: Where are they at when they go into that all

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Speaker 2: white space in the TV? I think, Oh, that's in

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Speaker 2: the TV, inside the TV. Yeah, inside the TV.

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Speaker 3: Colin Cole a k A Mike TV.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're Mike TV. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've always been a little bit of uh whatever the

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Speaker 1: guy is who gets sucked into the tube myself.

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Speaker 2: The yeah as ye something, come on, nail it, come on,

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Speaker 2: I'll come to you Germany.

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Speaker 1: I mix it up, my brain is and there it

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Speaker 1: is shadow to super producer Victor bringing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, liked the group a little too much.

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Speaker 1: Maybe someone say that is a movie I recently watched

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Speaker 1: with my children, and it has like thirty really good

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Speaker 1: minutes and it is just coasting off of our memory

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Speaker 1: of the thirty really good minutes and oh really Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of it that's just like uh huh,

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Speaker 1: all right, Like after they leave the Big Candy World

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Speaker 1: and go on the boat ride, it does kind of

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Speaker 1: grind to a halt a little bit. There's other moments,

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Speaker 1: but like they are fleeting and that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Shame. I just remember always hating when he got all

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Speaker 2: mad at Charlie. I was like, dude, what you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to be cool with? Yeah? Like, and as a kid,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what to make sense of that character's experience.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, this guy's an asshole. Let's just turn

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Speaker 2: this off. I thought you turn it off. You never

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Speaker 2: saw the end. Yeah, it's like what an asshole? Did

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Speaker 2: you see?

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Speaker 3: A hum?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yep, George Colin, thank you so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: from the Great Northwest. Yes, you guys are in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Ye? Just keep going and take a past reading. Keep going,

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Speaker 2: keep going, keep going, keep on. It is it called

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Speaker 2: the five up there or it's high five up here?

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Speaker 2: Just five? Yeah, it's in l A. Nobody else the

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Speaker 2: words highways. The importance of being the five, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, but it is an important interstate. You know,

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Speaker 2: we love our folks. That's why the ten also deserves respect,

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Speaker 2: going from sea to shining Sea. Oh right, they're all

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Speaker 2: given the the I think in l A and l A.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard here what the history is of our

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Speaker 2: inability to just I guess because we always I want

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Speaker 2: to speak differently than other people.

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Speaker 3: It's a remnant of surfer culture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, take one dude over to the four

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Speaker 2: h five. They cast the one to eighteen over hit

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Speaker 2: Meat up in Granada Hills. But yeah, anyway, that's probably

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Speaker 2: not as important as about then what we're about to

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Speaker 2: talk about today, but I still wanted to mention.

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, what is something from your search history?

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Speaker 2: I was so when I.

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Speaker 4: When they sent this question over to me, I was like,

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Speaker 4: oh lord, let me not go back and look at

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Speaker 4: incognito mode. But I am going to go right now

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Speaker 4: to my phone, and.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we're getting the live results. The results are coming

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Speaker 1: as we speak, Miles and Adulter.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like, you know, there's always this divide

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Speaker 4: with what you search. It's like the default browser on

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Speaker 4: So my third fourth wave searches lived there, right right right,

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Speaker 4: But we're going to start with my recent Safari Google searches.

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Speaker 2: How do I? Okay, I googled roche fort cheese. There

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Speaker 4: I was talking in another podcast this morning about one

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Speaker 4: of these far right conspiracy theories about some people on

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Speaker 4: the right saying that Biden has been slow on hurricane

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Speaker 4: response because he's been at his beach house sunning his testicles.

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Speaker 4: So that led me to google the time that Tucker

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Speaker 4: Carlson was pushing testical tanning on his show. So my

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Speaker 4: last real Google were the three words Tucker Carlson testicles, Yes,

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Speaker 4: fantastic and how are we How are the results what

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Speaker 4: we don't want to go down that bell.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to go down that Now that is

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Speaker 4: It just kind of outlines how this dude was like

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Speaker 4: fully crazy and like two years ago he was telling

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Speaker 4: people to sun their testicles to up their testosterone, and

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Speaker 4: he had someone called a bromo therapist on or something

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Speaker 4: to talk about all this stuff just kook science.

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Speaker 2: Romeopathy or something like that. Yes, yes, yes, bromeopathy. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: There's a Vanity Fair headline that reads, Tucker Carlson Colon

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Speaker 4: tan your balls if you want to be a real man.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.

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Speaker 4: And while we're here, And I can say this because

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Speaker 4: I'm gay, so I can be offensive to straight men

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Speaker 4: who on the what straight man in the world has

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Speaker 4: taken how to be a man lesson from Tucker fucking Carlson.

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Speaker 2: The most Yeah, the most misguided. I think. Hold on, now,

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Speaker 2: what did tuckles Tucker say? It's like, I guess, do

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Speaker 2: I keep my bow tie? Yeah? When I tann my balls?

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Speaker 2: Because I remember, wasn't there someone like around like at

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Speaker 2: sunning your butthole too, and like your taint was like.

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Speaker 4: That was the thing also then for a while when

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Speaker 4: of Paltrow was like, stick this jade egg up your Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then jas some nony sunning as well on the side,

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Speaker 4: And for a second there was nony steaming, right And

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Speaker 4: I know this because years ago when that was a trend.

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Speaker 4: So I went to a spot in LA that did

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Speaker 4: the vaginal steaming in all earnestness. I went with my

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Speaker 4: they wouldn't steam me why. It's probably for the best.

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Speaker 4: It's just for vagins.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, like, is the technolo I mean what

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Speaker 2: I'm picturing just maybe someone having like a garment steamer

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Speaker 1: And then like a barber shop like cape that you

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Speaker 2: Okay, well yeah, hey for the one day I'll find out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you're being discriminated, just get yourself a garment steamer

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Speaker 2: or maybe a humidifier. We legally cannot give this advice, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: check out my live stream on Saturday morning. But don't

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Speaker 2: do what I do. Do as I say, not as

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Speaker 4: That's also Gwyneth. If you need a male volunteer as tribute. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I like your Gwyneth. I think you're cool. I volunteer

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Speaker 4: to be steamed.

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Speaker 1: It does suggest that the people who are doing the

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Speaker 1: why are they discriminating between you know, right, hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Because if because I'd imagine right, like if are they

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Speaker 2: you know what was happening? I get it and I

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Speaker 4: They were just like, why is a man even trying

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Speaker 2: It's for women?

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Speaker 4: And is as as well intentioned as I was going

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Speaker 4: to that storefront? They probably were like, is this guy

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Speaker 2: Trying to get it? Yeah? Yeah, you did have an

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Speaker 4: I had James o'keefehind me yeah, wearing a yeah's.

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Speaker 2: Hey Chris, yes, what's something you think is underrated? Thank you? Host?

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Speaker 5: Of the Daily Guys, Jack O'Brien, I think that something

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Speaker 5: underrated is the movie Devil at Your Heels. It's a

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Speaker 5: documentary I've mentioned, i think before, on the show many

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Speaker 2: Maybe early references.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's one of my favorite things, and it's it

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Speaker 5: turns out it's almost impossible to make someone watch a documentary.

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Speaker 5: You can tell them about it over, you can tell

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Speaker 2: Will watch it, no matter what. I love that as

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Speaker 5: Well, what makes me mad is American Cinema Tech in

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Speaker 5: LA Like, somebody just showed it. They just showed Double

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Speaker 5: at Your Heels, the only the only print in the world.

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Speaker 5: And like my friend Seth, who I've told about, who's

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Speaker 5: directing a documentary about me ding and it's done, it's done.

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Speaker 5: I will I'll mention that. Maybe I'll mention that'll be

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I see what I did, so I.

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Speaker 5: Do it every time. So cool, so cool. So anyway,

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Speaker 5: The Table at Your Heels is just a great movie

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Speaker 5: about a guy who's like a dreamer and he's trying

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Speaker 5: to jump a car over the Saint Lawrence Seaway, which

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Speaker 5: he is so damn genuine and earnest that he manages

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Speaker 5: it to happen in a roundabout way. But there's a

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Speaker 5: Why He's Bounded Down's main characters named Kenny Powers. Because

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Speaker 5: Kenny Powers is without a doubt that the reference to

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Speaker 5: this movie, which is Kenny Powers is the guy who

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Speaker 5: ends up jumping the car. But the way that we

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Speaker 5: end up with that is like so neat. But also

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Speaker 5: I'm just hoping on this show, you guys will see it,

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Speaker 5: and now that American cinema tech has gotten on board whatever,

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Speaker 5: smoke pipes and talk about it and I'm so mad ya.

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Speaker 5: So Seth finally went and saw it when it was

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Speaker 5: in LA and he's like that documentary it was incredible,

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Speaker 5: and I was like, you know what, fuck you.

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Speaker 2: Need this show.

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Speaker 5: This is a perfect vehicle. So let's roll the very beginning.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's it's a Connecticut. It's a Connecticut. It's

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Speaker 5: it's public domain. It's a great great resource. Also Canadian

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Speaker 5: Canadian Broadcasting Company posts all their great stuff. I just

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Speaker 2: Be on board. People will sooner stand Yeah, as soon

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Speaker 2: as do you see when you see? Yeah, do you

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Speaker 2: see how reckless we were? But are you guys the best?

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Speaker 2: Here we go? Sorry? Got it? No, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: if without further ado the ad the show is the ADU.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the Canadian Broadcasting Company podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes Here we Go. I love that logo National Film

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Speaker 2: Board of Canada. Okay, wow, that's a poorly built ramp.

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Speaker 5: Is Now that doesn't get you interested in watching a documentary?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: You try and jump that body of water with yes

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Speaker 5: But anyway, it's a great it's a and Ken Carter

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Speaker 5: He's really confident and for no reason, he calls himself

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Speaker 5: This guy is a lovely man. He's insane. But this

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Speaker 5: He admits what what the quest for fame is all about?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, an jump, Oh no, no, this is the guy

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Speaker 1: So it's like a very very there's so much inside

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Speaker 5: Name, so funny what you called Ken jump or something?

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Speaker 2: You have just been liked by three more people in

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Speaker 5: I want to start doing that everything I do. When

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Speaker 5: A van interview with Van Goh, yeah, I like to paint.

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Speaker 5: So that just was like, we're amazingly honest, right right right.

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Speaker 5: It's like there's a corporate guy who comes in and

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Speaker 5: And so there's all this intrigue and then there's just

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Speaker 5: a man's got to bite off a hunk and fight

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Speaker 2: You know, Like he uses a lot of dot dot

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Speaker 7: I think independence is overrated. I'm like really anti being

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Speaker 1: So I'm anti.

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Speaker 2: Independence, sure, sure, sure not.

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Speaker 1: According to this little declaration of independence that I keep

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Speaker 1: If interdependence, yeah, yeah, belong to a club, they have friends, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's like where the independence mindset comes in. It's like

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Speaker 2: And you're like, wow, this is this is cool. I

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Speaker 2: who's beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it, creep?

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Speaker 2: I need help, man, I help you get the fuck

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Speaker 2: What do you think? I mean? Like, are is that

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Speaker 2: Something, so factly, yeah, like you have garbage you need

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Speaker 7: Yeah, like literally, yeah, And so I think it just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and at a like Zeitgey's news level. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as we're recording this Hurricane Milton is a few hours

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Speaker 1: away from making landfall. But I mean we talked about

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Speaker 1: yesterday that, wow, the mainstream media wants to focus on,

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Speaker 1: you know, looting and acts of violence that happened in

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Speaker 1: the wake of these hurricanes. Like really the overwhelming account

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Speaker 1: that you get from these sorts of disasters is like

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Speaker 1: other people helping one another. But like you said, like

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Speaker 1: we're in a disaster and a really difficult moment, like

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Speaker 1: people show up for one another. It's just like when

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Speaker 1: it's at this level of like abstraction of you know, institutions,

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Speaker 1: that things start to.

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Speaker 2: Get fucked up.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, and just like with the way society is built,

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Speaker 7: like you can't just like go get a regular job

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Speaker 7: and then buy yourself the house the way that you

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Speaker 7: used to and or like that some people were able to,

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Speaker 7: and so now there's this like I don't know, there's

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Speaker 7: just like this weirdness around like depending on your parents

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Speaker 7: or depending on like your extended family, but you have

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Speaker 7: to like a lot of times like that's the best option.

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Speaker 7: And I think that like we've built so much guilt

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Speaker 7: around that when like in reality, like it's like a

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Speaker 7: privilege to be able to maybe depend on your parents,

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Speaker 7: even though you grew up thinking by thirty five, I

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Speaker 7: shouldn't have to anymore.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeaheah, for sure. Yeah, we need the system is fucked.

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Speaker 2: We need the help, so take it. Yeah, people want

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Speaker 2: to give it. If you can to give the help,

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Speaker 2: if you can to, yes, if somebody is definitely willing

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Speaker 2: to accept it, usually all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's take a quick break and we'll come

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Speaker 1: back and we'll talk about somebody who took some help

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Speaker 1: from her father in law. We'll be right back, and

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Speaker 1: we're back. And this is the time of year where

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Speaker 1: everybody there's a lot of nervous energy. People want to

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Speaker 1: know what's going on with the election. This is when

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Speaker 1: you start getting the stories about the store that sells

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Speaker 1: merch from both Like I think it was like t

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Speaker 1: shirts from both from both campaigns, and every year, whoever

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Speaker 1: they sell the most of or like cups they sell,

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Speaker 1: whoever they sell the most cups from, ends up winning.

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Speaker 1: Like people are just looking for any story that will

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Speaker 1: tell them who's going to win the election, and the

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Speaker 1: reality is absolutely nobody knows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think, well the thing is too

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Speaker 2: there's also this thing that the right is doing in

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Speaker 2: the build up to this election, right, there's like constant

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Speaker 2: alarmism from conservatives or it's like illegal voting, especially when

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Speaker 2: you're looking at things like Mike Rogers, who's running for

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Speaker 2: the Senate in Michigan. He may have illegally voted by

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Speaker 2: claiming an address of like a place that was uninhabitable.

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Speaker 2: That's another news story that you know will probably develop

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Speaker 2: over you know that coming weeks or not. But they're

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Speaker 2: also like, you know, it's about seating this idea of

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Speaker 2: the narrative that this this election has already been won

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Speaker 2: by Republicans in their supporter's mind, so if they begin

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Speaker 2: to contest things, they sort of the framing is there

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Speaker 2: to be like what the fuck they stole it from us.

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Speaker 2: But it's the anecdotal stuff that you hear a lot of,

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Speaker 2: like like you're saying, Jack, like they'll be pople Like

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Speaker 2: I was just with nine thousand black cops and they

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Speaker 2: are all voting for Donald Trump. They just told me

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Speaker 2: this is going to be a huge win. I was

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Speaker 2: with forty two cricket farmers and they said they they

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Speaker 2: went from Biden to Trump. This thing's in the bag.

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Speaker 2: Like okay, I mean I did this the other day.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we ended up talking about it

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Speaker 1: on Mike, but I talked to you Miles where I

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Speaker 1: was like, I just saw this TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was interviewing people at an Arizona State Fair

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Speaker 1: and everyone was saying.

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Speaker 2: Trump, We're fucked, you know, like Jack, come on, it's over, man,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's fuck. So Laura Trump was recently

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Speaker 2: on Laura Ingram Show. And if you know Lara Trump,

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Speaker 2: she is the wife of Eric the Lesser and she

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Speaker 2: also got her hands dirty with a bit of anecdotal forecasting.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to play this because this is

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Speaker 2: a very this again. Oh man, hold on to your butts.

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Speaker 2: If true, true, it's over. If true, pack your bag

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Speaker 2: your escape plan. Yeah, please pack your bags up for Canadia.

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Speaker 2: If true. So here she is talking about the secret

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Speaker 2: sauce and the tea leaves she's been reading out there

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Speaker 2: in America.

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Speaker 8: No one buys that Kamala Harris has the capability to

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Speaker 8: do that job. And polls like that I think are

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Speaker 8: absolutely ridiculous. I get slipped beverage napkins every time I

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Speaker 8: get on an airplane saying we can't wait to vote

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Speaker 8: for Trump. Go Trump Trump twenty twenty four, or people

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Speaker 8: just coming up to me these days, were everywhere I

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Speaker 8: go saying how excited they are to get out and

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Speaker 8: vote and vote early when you go vote for Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh wow wow. Every time she boards a plane,

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Speaker 2: are sliding her airplane napkins just before they put the

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Speaker 2: beverage on top of it.

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Speaker 7: Here's where the story falls apart. Yeah, nobody, nobody carries

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Speaker 7: pens anymore. No, no one has the ability to write

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Speaker 7: on your napkin anymore.

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Speaker 2: Why are they using the same communication method that people

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Speaker 2: who are being held hostage used to alert authorities that

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Speaker 2: they're like, are refilled? Help me? Also, every every plane

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Speaker 2: you're on, like maybe because maybe because you're flying on

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Speaker 2: private planes specifically chartered by the fucking campaign? Is that what?

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Speaker 2: Or are you flying commercial all the time. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just from what I understand, I believe that they're

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Speaker 2: flying on you know, campaign chartered aircraft. But that's okay,

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Speaker 2: that works too, and it is it is wild to

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Speaker 2: think it's like someone who would recognize you and would

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Speaker 2: even want to get near you in public would also

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Speaker 2: be a Republican, right again, and that.

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Speaker 7: You would let anyone get near you in public.

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Speaker 2: That I also yeah yeah right right right? Did you

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Speaker 2: ever are you guys? Nathan? For you fans? Oh, I

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Speaker 2: love it, love it?

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Speaker 7: Okay, ken, I figured because I like Cannon. But you know,

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Speaker 7: the episode we're here engineers that whole story that he

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Speaker 7: can tell on late night shows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So he's not lying, Yeah, he's.

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Speaker 7: Not lying, but he sets up this elaborate things so

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Speaker 7: that you can say it. I feel like this is

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Speaker 7: what they're doing. They're like hiring people to give them

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Speaker 7: napkins saying they're voting for Trump.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine that scenario though too. She's like she

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Speaker 2: board a plane, She's like, do you mind handing me

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Speaker 2: these napkins? My drink quarterer? What just please hand it

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Speaker 2: to me. I'll give you five hundred bucks. Okay, right,

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Speaker 2: here's your napkin. Miss Oh wow? Oh do you see this?

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Speaker 2: It says we're voting early for Oh my god, bless

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Speaker 2: your heart. So that happened and I'm not lying. Is

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Speaker 2: that a way that people communicate with each other, like

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Speaker 2: sending like what in a way that isn't unless they're

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Speaker 2: like in trouble of some sort. I mean, that's like

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Speaker 2: millennial gen X Like that's school note passing was obviously

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Speaker 2: a thing like you know, you would write a long

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Speaker 2: winded remember when you would just communicate in notes in

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Speaker 2: school and you would fill out like a line sheet

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Speaker 2: of paper front to back with Like the thing is

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Speaker 2: man like, I know you asked her to I know

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Speaker 2: you asked for the homecoming, but like the thing is

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Speaker 2: like we had something going before you asked and like

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Speaker 2: doing all this kind of weird shit that feels like that.

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Speaker 2: Do kids do that? Do they do y'all? Do y'all

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Speaker 2: pass notes? Still? Is that a thing?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 7: I don't know, I mean, are they on their laptops

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Speaker 7: and they can just yeah, they just like, yeah, electronically.

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Speaker 2: Text each other? You do. Yeah, I'm revealing my age. Okay,

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Speaker 2: thank you? Forty Super producer Victor said, yeah we texted. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. I was whatever that eleven Yeah when nine

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Speaker 2: to eleven happened. I was a junior in high school. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so hold that. Yeah that makes sense, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that the pen thing too, I mean I

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Speaker 2: guess you might have a pen. I'm always like forgetting

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Speaker 2: to pack a pen whatever I travel, I always try

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Speaker 2: and make sure have a pen, and it's international flights.

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Speaker 1: I've like not had a pen and the flight attendance

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Speaker 1: like don't have pens when you have to like fill

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Speaker 1: out that form, like right.

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Speaker 2: They probably because they probably get stolen all the time.

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Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, man, these motherfuckers stole on my pens.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean to do?

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Speaker 1: But again, anyone who recognizes her is probably like a

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Speaker 1: fucking mont blanc wielding Republican piece of shit who's you know,

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Speaker 1: I can imagine that like one person per flight is

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Speaker 1: on board. It is still kind of mind blowing. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into this in like the political donations section.

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Speaker 2: Let's just move on to that.

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Speaker 1: But it's wild, like one of the melon people is

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Speaker 1: like full boat one hundred million dollar donation to Trump

605
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Speaker 1: like that, it does seem like the rich have just

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Speaker 1: openly declared war on all of us.

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Speaker 2: At the end. Yeah, they're really the fucking worst. It's

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Speaker 2: because they started moving at light speed during the pandemic

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Speaker 2: with all that wealth accumulation, and now they're like, well,

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Speaker 2: this party can't do not pump the brakes on this thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like you know what what I was? It

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Speaker 2: like it went up eighty eight percent or something. Their

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Speaker 2: wealth we talked about some just eighty eight percent. The yeah,

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Speaker 2: billionaire wealth went up eighty eight percent in the past

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Speaker 2: four years. Like hosts, everybody being like, this is this

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Speaker 2: is an unbelievably huge problem. They have way too much money.

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Speaker 2: Their wealth has gone up eighty eight percent. Yeah, they've

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Speaker 2: just gotten yeah, so like along with this, like right,

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Speaker 2: huge amounts of money affecting political outcomes. Right now, Senate

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Speaker 2: races are tightening in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio. And if

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Speaker 2: things go the wrong way, uh, this would potentially give

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Speaker 2: the Republicans a majority in the Senate they haven't had

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Speaker 2: since twenty sixteen. And if Kamala ends up winning the

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Speaker 2: White House, that would be disastrous for any kind of

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Speaker 2: confirmation process of cabinet positions or judges, because at that

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Speaker 2: point you don't really have control over it in terms

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Speaker 2: of canna have a Republican in our cabinet though, So, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Say, what do you think about that? I don't think

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Speaker 7: anything good.

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Speaker 1: I fucking hate it, blowing it so hard, don't move

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Speaker 1: to the right, fucking crazy.

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Speaker 7: I was so cocon utpilled, like back in the summer,

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Speaker 7: and now I'm just like, oh my god, please let

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Speaker 7: this be over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah killed, Look it was. It was a brat summer

636
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Speaker 2: and now we're in the hangover fall and we're moving

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Speaker 2: to the right in every.

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Speaker 7: Rapidly, rapidly moving to the right, just purely.

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Speaker 1: Listening to the same Democratic strategists who have fucked the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party for the past.

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Speaker 2: You know, don't don't get progressive.

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Speaker 7: And it's interesting because it's like, in the moment she

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Speaker 7: chose walls, it was like, and now I shall mess

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Speaker 7: everything up.

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Speaker 2: Now everything else bad?

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Speaker 9: Yeah quit for whoa whoa a pretty good rollout, and yeah,

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Speaker 9: I will continue to dispat So anyway one race, I

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Speaker 9: think that should be getting a lot of attention, and

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Speaker 9: it is, I think purely because of the Senate math.

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Speaker 2: But the why I think is important is shared Brown's

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Speaker 2: reelection campaign in Ohio. So he is the chair of

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Speaker 2: the Senate Banking Committee, and that's very, very powerful position

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the financial sector, and he's been

654
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Speaker 2: a vocal critic of cryptocurrencies and the need for regulation.

655
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Speaker 2: And it is for this very reason that a crypto

656
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Speaker 2: pack is spending forty million dollars to unseat him. Forty

657
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: million dollars to unseat him. Fair shake which is the

658
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Speaker 2: industries like Crypto's super Pack, they have raised just over

659
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Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars this cycle. To put that into perspective, right,

660
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Speaker 2: the next industry group that comes in second place in

661
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Speaker 2: terms of money raise, that's coke Industries, you know, we

662
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: know them, the big dogument They've raised a paltry twenty

663
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Speaker 2: six million dollars for this cycle, and we're talking one

664
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Speaker 2: from million from Crypto. And it's right now, Crypto is

665
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: accounting for almost half of the corporate spending this election cycle.

666
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: So their tactics are just to carpet bomb the airwaves

667
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: with ads. But in some races, like in Shared Brown's race,

668
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: like it's just NonStop ads and they have nothing to

669
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: do with Crypto. It's just they're just helping Marino of

670
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: his opponent. They're just trying to help him win as

671
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: much as possible. So, so aside from the airwave stuff,

672
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: sometimes they don't even have to spend money to get

673
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: people to bend to their will. They'll just threaten to

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Speaker 2: make it rain on a politician's opponent to get them

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Speaker 2: in line. So the earlier this is from Slate quote

676
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: earlier this year, Fairshake indicated it would enter the spending

677
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: arena without announcing which candidate it would support. Soon after.

678
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Speaker 2: This is like in the in the Montana race, soon after,

679
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Speaker 2: vulnerable incumbent Democrat John Tester, who has criticized the industry

680
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: in the past, voted to pass pro crypto legislation. So

681
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: their big pet project here is to try and get

682
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: this crypto friendly legislation passed that in order to sort

683
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: of gain legitimacy as a financial product and escape the

684
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: oversight authority of the SEC. And this is again from

685
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: the same slight article. In forty two of the primary

686
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: races where crypto backed super PACs intervened, the crypto sector

687
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: won its preferred outcome in thirty six. In just two

688
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: cycles of spending, crypto corporations now ranked second in total

689
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: election related spending over the past fourteen years the entirety

690
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: of the Citizens United Era. Okay, they've be just two cycles.

691
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: It took them to fucking hit like just to get

692
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Speaker 2: to second place. They quote they trail only fossil fuel corporations,

693
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: which have spent one hundred and seventy six million over

694
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Speaker 2: that same period. And it's not just Republicans that are benefiting.

695
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: Democrats are also getting hit with cash in other races,

696
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: if they've been friendly towards these kinds of bills, then

697
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: they are being rewarded with financial support. But it's clear

698
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: that Republicans are much more willing to help here, so

699
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: therefore they're getting a larger share of these dollars. Yeah,

700
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Speaker 2: it's just the future is so yeah, Like, if you

701
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Speaker 2: want to see what the industry, what industries are going

702
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: to run slash ruin the future, you just have to

703
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: look at who is donating the most across the board,

704
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: and the future is going to be so stupid.

705
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Speaker 7: Like crypto, I just can't understand it. And at times

706
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 7: I'm like, am I just like too old or or

707
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 7: are stupid to just understand what the appeal of crypto is?

708
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 7: But what if maybe I'm not and it just doesn't

709
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 7: really make much sense.

710
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think for those in the beginning,

711
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: it was very idealistic. We're sort of like, you know,

712
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: this is a decentralized form of currency that can operate

713
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: outside of these you know, like the World Bank and

714
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: these forces of corruptive forces. And now if they're just

715
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: becoming central entities, it's yeah, so that's gone.

716
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 7: But I think the other they're still being influenced by

717
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 7: like the greater markets right right, and go up and

718
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 7: down and up and down.

719
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Speaker 2: And I think what's interesting here though, too, is because

720
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: a lot of people have made money in cryptocurrencies. It's

721
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: more people are trying to get in on it, and

722
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: now they see it as a way to protect their investor.

723
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: It's an investment. So now they're now motivated to also vote. Like,

724
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: let me just play an ad. There's like a thing

725
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: where they're come there. They have like things like I'm

726
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: a crypto voter, and that's kind of I'll just play

727
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: this so you could understand. This is kind of the

728
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: messaging to people to understand, like to say, like, we

729
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: also have numbers out there, and this is how we

730
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 2: can sort of get them. We can turn that into

731
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: votes in an election.

732
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Speaker 10: To be an American is to embrace innovation. And that's

733
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Speaker 10: where blockchain and crypto come into play. Crypto equals innovation,

734
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 10: innovation equals jobs. That's why I'm a crypto voter. Don't

735
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 10: let anyone else decide your future, make.

736
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Speaker 4: A plan to vote.

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Speaker 2: That's from stand with crypto, which is another pack but

738
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: again and you and you see this with people that

739
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: are invested in cryptocurrencies to get this sort of legitimacy

740
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: as a financial product would be huge for their investments.

741
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Speaker 2: So now people are incentivized with their own investments to

742
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Speaker 2: votere s. So it's it's a huge thing. That's why

743
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 2: I think big tech is realizing they have a lot

744
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: of numbers for people that are invested in their platforms

745
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: or use their platforms that then they can you know,

746
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: turn that into a formidable voting block. And yeah, the

747
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: money being spent is just like will cause it would

748
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: cause people's eyes to bleed twenty years ago even because yeah,

749
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are like looking ato, like I've

750
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: never seen people just put this much money towards just

751
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: getting one bill passed, and you know, the like to

752
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: your point, Jack, you can see that other industries are

753
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: looking at like, oh, you know, we used to just

754
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: keep like friendly politicians there and give them sort of

755
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: bills that they can vote on or whatever. But now

756
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: just to go whole hog to say we need to

757
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: get this one thing done and make everyone bend to

758
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: our will just may become even more so than new normal.

759
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: I think it was just happening at a smaller rate

760
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: than what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now with Citizens United, it's just open robbery.

762
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: Right, And I think another reason why people always calling

763
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: for election reforms with this kind of thing, because yeah,

764
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: it allows someone to just step in and say, I

765
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: will spend forty million dollars to get you to scare you.

766
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: Are you ready to now play ball? And yeah, and

767
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: it again seems to work. Yeah.

768
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Speaker 1: Open Secrets did a dive into like who is donating

769
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: to the Republicans and Democrats this time around? And like

770
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Speaker 1: I said, one of the Melon pscions is donating one

771
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars to Trump the which, by the way,

772
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: like that that is a great example of like a

773
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: thing where if you look at how money is being spent,

774
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: you can see the future, like the money that was

775
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: spent by these dynastic like these families with dynastic fortunes

776
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: like the Melons and the Getty's and all those people.

777
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Speaker 2: Like since the late seventies, they've just been spending, spending,

778
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: spending in politics, and the rate of that those types

779
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 2: of people have been taxed has gone way way down

780
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: to like now the average tax rate of the top

781
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: point zero one percent has fallen by more than half

782
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: to about thirty percent, while rates for the bottom ninety

783
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: percent of people have climbed slightly, so they are getting

784
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: better and better deals and the rest of the world

785
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: is getting fucked, and so that it makes sense that

786
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: that these people are continuing to spend and get trying

787
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: to get an investment that actually gets you in return.

788
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I can't even imagine the need for

789
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 7: like more than one hundred million dollars, right, No, there

790
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 7: is none. Like I'm like, I'm not above one hundred

791
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Speaker 7: million dollars. I'd love it, I welcome it, but at

792
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Speaker 7: that point it's like, Okay, well.

793
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you won't hear from me anymore. I'm funny, right,

794
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: I'm chilling. Yeah, I will lay down for a long time.

795
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: That's that's probably what I'll do. Yeah, I mean I

796
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: think that's why it's always just you know, like when

797
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: you get like these billions of dollars in wealth, you're

798
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: just like this, there's this isn't sustainable because if it's

799
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: all about this like explosive growth that that that comes

800
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: from somewhere else, that comes out of other people's pockets,

801
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: or rather the inability of other people to fill their own,

802
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: you know, bank accounts with actual money.

803
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 7: That is needed so I feel like that's the disconnect

804
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 7: is people are like, well, why shouldn't people be allowed

805
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 7: to make a lot of money, And it's like, well,

806
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 7: they are, but there's no way to make that much

807
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 7: money and have been ethical throughout the whole process and

808
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 7: have like, had every single person working for you been

809
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Speaker 7: paid fairly and.

810
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: You still have that much money.

811
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it's just a Lena Gomez and she

812
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: doesn't want to talk about being a billionaire. That's just

813
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: still so funny to me. She's like, I'd rather not

814
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: talk about money and being a billionaire. Please just let

815
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: me be.

816
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 7: Even and give it away and then you don't need

817
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 7: to talk about it.

818
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the nine hundred million dollars of it,

819
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: and we'd be fine with you. The good will these

820
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: fuckers would generate from just being like, you know what, dude,

821
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: I only need Like I fuck, I don't even need,

822
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: Like I think I just need eighty million for the

823
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: rest of my life. I'm seventy years old. I think

824
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: I'll be fine with eighty million dollars for the rest

825
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: of it. I'm giving the rest away. The people would

826
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: be erecting fucking statues. Yeah, for that kind of thing.

827
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: But no, it's more just like how do we protect this,

828
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: how do we create more loopholes to keep our wealth?

829
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: And how do we again cozy up to people that

830
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: are fine watching everything fall apart, but hey, we get

831
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: to keep our money.

832
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Speaker 1: Like Open Secrets has like the just these industry breakdowns

833
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: and like air transport donated ten point five million dollars

834
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: to Trump, like real estate ten point four million. But

835
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Speaker 1: I just like I can't, I can't believe that it's

836
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: now just like is dope to airlines? Like I didn't

837
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: dig in deeper, but like, are these like major corporations

838
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: just like donating.

839
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Boeing is the large like in that category.

840
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: Because then within transport there's air transport, there's also airlines,

841
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: which would be like the deltas of it all, but

842
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: they also give money. Yeah, like ups, they they're all

843
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: I mean, because that's just how it is. You have

844
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: to you have to get in bed so you can

845
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: get favorable looks when it comes to regulation or you know,

846
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: not regulating.

847
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Speaker 1: Even when one of them one of the options is

848
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: just like nazis, they're just like no, well, a delta,

849
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Speaker 1: we believe in everybody gouging. Yeah, yeah, I believe in

850
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: both price gouging and everybody having a free the freedom

851
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: to express their beliefs.

852
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a corporate kleptocracy.

853
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, what's happening with Milton Like the fact that

854
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 7: these airlines are literally raising their prices so that people

855
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 7: cannot die, and like the government is just like, okay, no.

856
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: That's capitalism, baby, Like, yeah, that's capitalism.

857
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they have the freedom to evacuate and

858
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: we have the freedom to get rich, right, Just like, at.

859
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 7: What point will people be like, huh, this doesn't make sense,

860
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 7: maybe we should change this.

861
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's where I think people know it

862
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense, but enough people who have who have

863
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: like the microphones to sort of shape public discourse, they're

864
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: not saying it right. Like the American Prospect, I think

865
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: reached out to a couple of the economists who are

866
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Speaker 2: like slamming Kamala Harris because she deigned to say, like,

867
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Speaker 2: it's corporate price gouging that's driving up prices. We need

868
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: to get a handle on that. They asked them, like

869
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: the in light of what's what happened in the aftermath

870
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: of Hellene and with Milton and price gouging happening, They're like,

871
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: do you think that this is bad? Now? Like is

872
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: do you think this necessitates some kind of intervention? And

873
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: they kind of were like, well, I mean, you know,

874
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: kind of like they just we're not very forceful on it, which,

875
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: you know, I think is pretty revealing because like the

876
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: their whole perspective is sort of aligning with what a

877
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: corporation would want to do or you know, what the

878
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: free market should be doing. Yeah, all right, let's take

879
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: a quick break and we'll come back and we'll do

880
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: we'll do the sports section, We'll go to our sports

881
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: guy for sports updates.

882
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back, We're back, and

883
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, I just wanted to hear kind of from

884
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: you guys what your vision is for how that system

885
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: that is currently a representation a representative democracy, like, how

886
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: that could take hold in the United States.

887
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 11: Just let me throw one quick historical footnote and I'll

888
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 11: turn over to Colin. Actually, their implementation of what Colin

889
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 11: will refer to shortly actually started in nineteen twenty one

890
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 11: Northern Ireland and as they were partitions Northern Ireland away

891
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 11: from the South, which then became the Irish Free State. Basically,

892
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 11: the British said, okay, well, why don't we agree as

893
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 11: part of this end of this war with the Irish,

894
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 11: that both sides will have some form of power sharing

895
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 11: built into their systems because both sides have minorities that

896
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 11: they wanted to protect. Northern Ireland gets rid of it

897
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 11: as soon as they can, because they see.

898
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: The writing on the wall.

899
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 11: They're like, one party control, let's do it. Ireland actually

900
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 11: keeps it for a full hundred years, and that's still

901
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 11: the system that they use today. So actually in nineteen

902
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 11: ninety eight when they actually re implemented it, something that

903
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 11: they actually had for about roughly ten years beginning of

904
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 11: the nineteen twenties.

905
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Speaker 3: So I'll kick over a column well, and we'll come

906
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: back to the sort of forgotten history question in a

907
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: moment too. So the system that they use in Northern

908
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is a system of

909
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: proportional representation, so called because each segment of the population

910
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: has the power to win their fair share their propoor

911
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: in government. So if Irish Republicans who are different from

912
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: US Republicans, they want to join the Republic of Ireland

913
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Speaker 3: Irish Republicans or Irish Nationalists win thirty three percent of

914
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: the vote, they're going to win about one in three

915
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: seats in parliament. And what you might have it happen

916
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: is you might have, say, forty percent of the vote

917
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: go to Irish unionists, folks who like being part of

918
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: Great Britain. Maybe forty percent of the vote goes to

919
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: Irish nationalists, and then another twenty percent of the vote

920
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: goes to people who say, oh, we don't really care

921
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: about that, we care about jobs, or we care about housing,

922
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: and then that ends up being the makeup of your parliament,

923
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: and in terms of what they could look like in

924
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 3: the US, it's interesting. So there are there's a path

925
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: to get it here. There's an act that's been introduced

926
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: in Congress every year since twenty seventeen, the Fair Representation Act,

927
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: that would just move the US congressional seat system to

928
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: that system. So instead of electing, you know, instead of

929
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: Massachusetts electing ten Democrats, they would probably elect six or

930
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 3: seven Democrats and three or four Republicans. And instead of

931
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: you know, Alabama electing all Republicans, they would elect you know,

932
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: two Republicans and a Democrat or whatever.

933
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Speaker 2: Whatever.

934
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 3: The population might be, and you could have these smaller

935
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Speaker 3: chunks breakthrough. But what's really interesting is that the specific

936
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: version that they use that is proposed for this bill,

937
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: that they use in Northern Ireland, it's a form of

938
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: ranked choice voting, and I say a form of rank

939
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: choice voting, because a lot of folks might have heard

940
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: of our CV rankfice voting. But there's a bunch of

941
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 3: different ways to do it. The way they do it

942
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: in Minneapolis is different than the way to do it

943
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: in Maine, which is different than the way to do

944
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 3: it in New York, which is different than the way.

945
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: That they do it in Ireland.

946
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: But back in the nineteen tens, twenties, thirties, forties, cities

947
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: in the US actually used this Irish version of proportional

948
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: ranked choice voting, cities like New York City, Cincinnati, and Cleveland,

949
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: Sacramento in California. And you saw again back in the forties,

950
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: at the height of Jim Crow, well before the Civil

951
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: Rights movement, you saw black communists from Manhattan get elected

952
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: to the New York City Council. And that's just sort

953
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: of it's hard to imagine today, let alone during the

954
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Speaker 3: Red Scare.

955
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is. We always talk about the way

956
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: that these facts that aren't part of the system as

957
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: currently constructed get just memory hold from history and kind

958
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: of erased from history. So that's super interesting.

959
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: And you said that someone to be like, what is

960
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: that from a marvel like reality or this is a

961
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: city council or some shit.

962
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's real.

963
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: That's real in the context of racial justice and equity,

964
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: like in the US. Like when listening to your show,

965
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking about we had a lot of energy

966
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: behind that cause in twenty but we it feels like

967
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: we no longer have the attention of the mainstream Democratic

968
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: party right now, and you know, having a party that

969
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: is focused on that cause and is always there even

970
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: if you know they're not the majority in power, but they're.

971
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: Always being represented.

972
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Could like that that's just a thing that I had

973
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: taken for granted as like impossible, and that that would

974
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: just be amazing to have that, like you know, there

975
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: would always be people doing work for racial justice and

976
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: equity in the US, like in government. Rhich does not

977
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: see it's wild that that is such a basic idea,

978
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: but like it's just yeah, because you think of how

979
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: like platforms change every year, like the Democrats platform looks

980
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: completely different now than it is in twenty twenty, Like, well,

981
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, I think we use too much like political

982
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: capital to be talking about us to form this go round,

983
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: So let's put that on the back burner and become

984
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: fully pro cop this.

985
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: Year, because you know, we kind of are a little

986
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: in our policies can be nebulous at times, and I

987
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: think that's like it really gets to what really affects

988
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: voters and makes people so that you just get to

989
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: this point where you're totally disaffected. You become ambivalent to

990
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: the process because you feel like, well, what about all

991
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: these other real problems And the only way to enter

992
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 2: the conversation is this very rigid system where unless you're

993
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 2: reading from the same hymnal, your chances of getting elected

994
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: aren't really possible. And I think that's really a great

995
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: way for I think that would help a lot of

996
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 2: people also become much more involved, because what we're talking

997
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: about is something that does give people a fair shake

998
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: where it's like, no, if you have the numbers, like

999
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: you can get a seat at the table. That's just

1000
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: it is what it is. And then guess what people

1001
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: will have to have coalition governments where they are going

1002
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: to have to work with you to get the kinds

1003
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: of majorities you need to achieve certain things. And I

1004
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: think that's super I think rated an underrated thing about it,

1005
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: because I think most people will just go to the

1006
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: factor like, oh, so what you want more Republicans And

1007
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: it's like, well, no, that's really not the case. You

1008
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: just want something you wanted to actually be representative of

1009
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: what's there. And I feel like it sounds like too

1010
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: And just listening to the show, like we had a

1011
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: moment when we were writing the Constitution where they're like,

1012
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: what if Congress looked like everything we see out there

1013
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: in America? And it's like, and that's like one of

1014
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: those forks in the roads where our destinies like. And

1015
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: we decided it's not that new of a concept, like

1016
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: these are things we've been grappling with since the beginning

1017
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: of this country.

1018
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 11: Absolutely, there's a few other things that are kind of

1019
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 11: mind blowing. When we talked about Ireland, particularly Northern Ireland,

1020
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 11: one story that keeps coming up is that whenever we

1021
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 11: talked to folks on the ground there, they kept saying,

1022
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 11: you might have some concerns in the US about getting

1023
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 11: far right parties elected and taking seats in that might

1024
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 11: freak some people out, but in many ways that's important

1025
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 11: because in the Northern Ireland experience, they saw that there

1026
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 11: were people who were shut out of the political system

1027
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 11: that they had no alternative but to be violent. And

1028
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 11: so when you have people win seats their fair share,

1029
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 11: maybe they win one or two in a city council,

1030
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 11: and they have to grapple with balancing the budget, closing

1031
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 11: a hospital, dealing with pensions, then it's harder to be

1032
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 11: completely anti government when you actually have some power and

1033
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 11: you have to grapple with some collective decisions that you

1034
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 11: just can't just throw rocks at at the house. One

1035
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 11: other interesting thing that we learned about that kind of

1036
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 11: blew my mind is how power sharing was taken to

1037
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 11: the logical extreme in both Ireland and to more so

1038
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 11: in Northern Ireland. So our winner take all system, we

1039
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 11: understand it particularly in our electoral system in terms of

1040
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 11: there can only be one winner when you have one

1041
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 11: member per district. But when you think about the winner

1042
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 11: take all system in terms of legislative governance, we understand like,

1043
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 11: if you're the majority party, you get to pick all

1044
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 11: the committee chairs it's like to the winner go the spoils.

1045
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 11: That seems obvious to us, right right, That's not how

1046
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 11: neither Ireland nor Northern Ireland does it. If you win

1047
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 11: forty percent of seats in the Parliament, you win forty

1048
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 11: percent of committee chairs. They have this process it's called

1049
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 11: the Dahunt method, whereby it's like the NFL draft. Your

1050
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 11: party as like the team gets to pick in a

1051
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 11: particular order which committee chairs you want. So if you're

1052
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 11: the first pick, you'll probably get to pick like the

1053
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 11: Taxation Ways and Means Committee because it's likely the most

1054
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 11: powerful justice as usually second, something like that, and so

1055
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 11: you just kind of go down the list in terms

1056
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 11: of who deserves the next pick. Added to that logical

1057
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 11: extreme in terms of Northern Ireland, if once again, if

1058
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 11: your party is forty percent of the seats in Parliament,

1059
00:54:54,719 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 11: you get forty percent of the cabinet seats in government itself,

1060
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 11: as a way to make sure that everyone has a

1061
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 11: fair share. There are critiques in terms of sometimes it

1062
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 11: grinds to a halt because those parties almost never agree

1063
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 11: on lots of big things, and so sometimes it shuts

1064
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 11: the government down, which is its own problem. But the

1065
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 11: idea that they are committed to power sharing in order

1066
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 11: for everyone to feel like they have a stake in governance.

1067
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 11: That's a really key idea that's really missing in our

1068
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Speaker 11: debates here in the US, and it's.

1069
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Speaker 3: Something that Northern Ireland folks we talked to kept emphasizing that, like, oh,

1070
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of critiques about power sharing, the

1071
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: specific model we have maybe how many seats, but the

1072
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: elections being proportional, like that's a no brainer. Like no one,

1073
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 3: no one debates that at all, Like that's obvious.

1074
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, I mean Project twenty twenty five. The

1075
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: thing that's scary about it to people is that they're

1076
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: planning to like clear house and just make all the

1077
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: cabinet entirely one thing.

1078
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: So that that's interesting. I feel like maybe after this

1079
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: next presidential administration there might be more appetate. It could

1080
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: be the last one, folks, but give be the last election.

1081
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Speaker 1: Not for the reasons he's saying, but oh yeah, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Sorry Miles, I interrupted, Oh.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I was just saying. And also like

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Speaker 2: the visibility, right, because I think, especially in the United States,

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Speaker 2: we have this version of like the amount of extremists

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Speaker 2: there are in the United States, you would think depending

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Speaker 2: on where you're watching news, like outnumber there's seven billion

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Speaker 2: of these people, and it's always interesting to see like

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Speaker 2: when people like are like in in Europe when they're

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Speaker 2: having their elections, you're like, oh, they're far right parties

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Speaker 2: only got like a fraction of what people thought they

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Speaker 2: were going to do. And I think that's also helps

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Speaker 2: too for people to understand like, Okay, there is this

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Speaker 2: group of people that exist, but they aren't nearly as

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Speaker 2: large or influential as they would want you to think,

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Speaker 2: which I think also helps people have a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a clear understanding of like truly like what we're

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Speaker 2: dealing with in the country in terms of like who

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Speaker 2: who's sort of like where everyone's ideologies sort of lie,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, I think it's very easy to sort of

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Speaker 2: obscure that with our media in this country and have

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Speaker 2: people kind of thinking like, oh my god, like what's

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Speaker 2: all happening, Like what are we up against? And yeah,

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Speaker 2: knowing that I think putting being able to quantify that,

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Speaker 2: I think is a big benefit.

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Speaker 3: And that's part of the risk of a winner take

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Speaker 3: all system is you can have a fringe element, right

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Speaker 3: that wins it all. People forget that. Back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: if you looked at Poles, most Republicans didn't actually like

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, but they were split between Chris Christy and

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Speaker 3: Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and John Kasich and Mitt Romney.

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Speaker 3: And Romney wasn't running in twenty sixteen, was he No,

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Speaker 3: He's no, he was not running.

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Speaker 2: The spirit but anyway, yeah, right, spirit.

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Speaker 3: Of John Huntsman point is like they were the winner

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Speaker 3: take all system. Lets a fringe element if they win

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Speaker 3: more than others in the primary process or whatever, win everything.

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Speaker 3: The proportional system caps your ceiling at your actual support,

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Speaker 3: so you never have a fringe party take over every

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Speaker 3: chamber of government.

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Speaker 1: I do want to just go back to this idea

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Speaker 1: that you know, it doesn't say anything about two parties

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Speaker 1: or parties of any sort in the in the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: And yet and like George Washington was like kind of

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Speaker 1: against parties in general. He was just a downer, didn't

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Speaker 1: didn't like to party, but he like America just kind

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Speaker 1: of snapped to a two party system and like kind

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Speaker 1: of keeps going back to a two party system and

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Speaker 1: like staying in this two party system, and so for me.

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Speaker 1: That's one of my big questions is like, is there

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Speaker 1: just something about America and our at the central lie

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Speaker 1: at the heart of America where it's like we're we

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Speaker 1: are a representative democracy and also the system is completely

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Speaker 1: designed to keep the dispossessed without power, like that's been

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Speaker 1: the deal kind of from day one, Like when you

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Speaker 1: look at the wording of the Constitution and then like

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Speaker 1: what who those words actually apply to? I'm just I

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Speaker 1: guess that's the big question for me is like how

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Speaker 1: you know in the experience of granted a winner take

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Speaker 1: all primary system, but like the primary system of a

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Speaker 1: progressive and widely popular Bernie Sanders, you know, getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of attention and enthusiasm, and then it just kind

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Speaker 1: of felt like you were always up against this entrenched machine.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious how you guys think about the existing

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Speaker 1: kind of inertia and money and power of the system

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Speaker 1: as it currently exists, and how you could potentially see

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Speaker 1: this idea overcoming that over time.

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Speaker 3: George, can you mind meld with me real quick?

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Speaker 2: I want to say something. I'm I'm gonna go back

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Speaker 2: to French class. Yes, the name is do verj.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I of course know what that means, but

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Speaker 1: the listeners, George and no further questions, all right.

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Speaker 11: Dou Verge was a French philosopher that basically came up

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Speaker 11: with this theorem or this law that basically said, any

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Speaker 11: winner take all system is going to end up with

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Speaker 11: only two major parties that can contest for power, because

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Speaker 11: when there is like another faction, another party that tries

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Speaker 11: to buy and play within the confines of a winner

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Speaker 11: take all system, they almost never win. And if you

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Speaker 11: try us several times, you'll have to just give up,

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Speaker 11: because how do you tell people to vote for us

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Speaker 11: if you can never turn their votes into actual seats

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Speaker 11: that is actual political power.

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Speaker 3: You actually increase the odds that your opponents win, Like

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Speaker 3: if Bernie Sanders runs a viable candidacy, that increases odds

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Speaker 3: Republicans win. So like it just turned the the logical

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Speaker 3: conclusion is only have two candidates.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a bad system almost.

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Speaker 11: And so you see this playing out in basically the

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Speaker 11: UK and the other former British colonies that have kept

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Speaker 11: this system. In Canada, there's essentially only like the Conservative

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Speaker 11: and the Liberal slash Moderate party that can win ever

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Speaker 11: any election. They only have multiple parties because they have

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Speaker 11: kind of regional politics of like Quebecua separatists that has

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Speaker 11: its own political party. But for the most part nationally

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Speaker 11: they are a two party system because they have the

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Speaker 11: exact same system that we have. The UK is pretty

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Speaker 11: much the same. You have Labor and then you have

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Speaker 11: the Tories or Conservatives. Sometimes the Liberal Democrats play that

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Speaker 11: kind of in between role, spoiler role, but for the

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Speaker 11: most part, du Verget's law plays out very clearly in

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Speaker 11: all of these systems, and so being able to start with,

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Speaker 11: you know, what is the electoral system that we want

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Speaker 11: for our society. Is it something that is very simple

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Speaker 11: and that forces a majority even though it doesn't reflect

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Speaker 11: the majority interest or do you want to make sure

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Speaker 11: that you have a minority representation built into our electric

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Speaker 11: And so by picking a proportional system, whichever flavor, because

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Speaker 11: there's definitely variations on a theme, the fact that you

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Speaker 11: will get you know, three, four or five parties means

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Speaker 11: that there are coalitions. There is kind of like a

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Speaker 11: shifting depending on which issue that different parties can call

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Speaker 11: us and get legislation passed. So there is nothing structural

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Speaker 11: or cultural about the US that pushes us towards a

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Speaker 11: two party stip. It is the system that pushes us

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Speaker 11: awkwardly into these two camps that don't fit us.

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Speaker 3: And actually there's some really interesting political science. I'll give

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Speaker 3: the very high level. We can put a link in

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Speaker 3: the show notes if you all want, but there's some

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Speaker 3: political science that's been done that shows that effectively, in

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Speaker 3: the US right now, there are six political parties. There's

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Speaker 3: six ideologically consistent and distinct ways of being basically that

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Speaker 3: most people subscribe to, and it's just that they're jammed

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Speaker 3: into the two parties. Like Alexander Cassio Cortez said a

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago, in any other country on Earth,

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden and I would not be in the same

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Speaker 3: political party.

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Speaker 5: But in the US we have to be.

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Speaker 3: And so when you think about like, you know, your

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Speaker 3: Romney Berry Goldwater, John McCain type folks and your evangelical

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Speaker 3: Christians and your like Mago wing of American Nazis, like

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Speaker 3: they don't actually have anything in common politically and on

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Speaker 3: the same parallels on the left. And so whether or

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Speaker 3: not these six parties emerge or they become distinct factions

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Speaker 3: within the two parties as we have them there's Those

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Speaker 3: are probably the coalitions that we would see emerge if

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Speaker 3: we moved to a proportional multi party system.

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Speaker 2: I think the other part about this too is like

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Speaker 2: I think at this point, we see that there is

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Speaker 2: a way to do it, It is being done. We've

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Speaker 2: we've dabbled in it in the United States before, but

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Speaker 2: right now, in its current form, it seems like intractable,

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Speaker 2: like this is it's stuck. And I know when we

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Speaker 2: were speaking a little bit earlier before we even recorded,

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Speaker 2: I remember Jack and I were like, well, how do

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Speaker 2: we it? Is it possible? And I felt like you

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Speaker 2: brought up a few good points. Was to think about

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Speaker 2: a lot of like the major changes we've had in

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Speaker 2: the in the United States across you know, the storied

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Speaker 2: history of this place, the years preceding those changes. It

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Speaker 2: felt like this is going to be how it is forever,

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Speaker 2: and then boom, we have rights, We have universal suffrage,

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Speaker 2: we have civil rights, et cetera. We have marriage equality

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Speaker 2: in those kinds of things. And I think for a

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Speaker 2: lot of the times too, we're also like the I

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Speaker 2: feel like the de facto way we speak about it

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Speaker 2: in very early kinds of political conversations when you're younger

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Speaker 2: and getting into it is like it feels everything has

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Speaker 2: to happen from the top down, and when you look

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Speaker 2: at the current system, like there's no way these freaks

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Speaker 2: are going to be like, yes, I would like to

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Speaker 2: dilute my power, but it seems like this is the

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Speaker 2: kind of thing where we can create upward pressure from

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Speaker 2: a more local level, and that is happening in the

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Speaker 2: United States.

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Speaker 1: We like to make things about personality and like individualism

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Speaker 1: in the US, and so often the answer is actually

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Speaker 1: structural and we don't like to admit that a lot

1249
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Speaker 1: of the times because it doesn't allow for us to

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Speaker 1: be the heroes of our own narrative.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so can you sort of just point to

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Speaker 2: some examples of like how this is not just like

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Speaker 2: you know, Cincinnati decades ago, which where things like that

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Speaker 2: were happening, but like even in the year of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, there are there are movements being made that

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Speaker 2: are approaching something like this that could potentially help, you know,

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Speaker 2: drive the conversation on a national level.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll start, and I'll kick it over to Colin.

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Speaker 11: I think the most exciting thing for folks to watch

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Speaker 11: in the twenty twenty four elections besides the presidential is

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Speaker 11: what happens in Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: It's on the five.

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Speaker 11: If you'd go north on the five, you get for

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Speaker 11: the What was really exciting, and this goes to some

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Speaker 11: of the work that we do as an organization More

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Speaker 11: Equitable Democracy. We support people of color led groups on

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Speaker 11: transforming our electoral system in order to advance racial justice,

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Speaker 11: and so our colleagues there were doing a lot of

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Speaker 11: advocacy work in community of color, trying to bring more

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Speaker 11: resources to their communities, and they always hit like this

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Speaker 11: huge buzz saw their city commission. It was a commission

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Speaker 11: whereby there was no separate executive branch from the legislative branch.

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Speaker 2: They were one and the same.

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Speaker 11: They were all elected at large, so you essentially had

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Speaker 11: to win like a congressional race in order to win

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Speaker 11: a city council seat. At that always favored big moneyed interests,

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Speaker 11: usually of folks who had relationships with developers, and so

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Speaker 11: they understood we did a lot of research to kind

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Speaker 11: of back this up that breaking up that system was important,

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Speaker 11: but that going to the most obvious solution in the

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Speaker 11: American kind of context is to go from all at

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Speaker 11: large to single member districts, just like cut up the

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Speaker 11: city into five equal districts, maybe we'll be able to

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Speaker 11: get two seats out of the five that are responsive

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Speaker 11: to our community's needs. Those communities of color about twenty

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Speaker 11: five percent of the population in Portland because of a

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Speaker 11: really long anti black history, there is no one particular

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Speaker 11: area that is heavily people of color. There isn't the

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Speaker 11: same type of segregation there is in other cities. And

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Speaker 11: so just drawing those single member districts was not going

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Speaker 11: to solve any of those problems.

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Speaker 3: Any configurational highlight. Like we said, what if we move

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Speaker 3: from five to seven, to nine to twelve to fifteen

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Speaker 3: city councilors, you just could not do it.

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Speaker 2: Not possible.

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Speaker 11: And so that's why we introduced the Irish model to them,

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Speaker 11: and they started to think, okay, well, if we had

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Speaker 11: a larger district where we elected three, maybe we can

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Speaker 11: win one or two of those that are in neighborhoods

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Speaker 11: that we do a lot of organizing. And so what

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Speaker 11: was really exciting was that, And this sounds when I

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Speaker 11: say exciting, this will sound boring.

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Speaker 2: For just a second.

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Speaker 11: There was a charter review process.

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Speaker 2: Please don't fall asleep. This is not exactly Yeah crps baby,

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Speaker 2: that's me all day. We got an air horn in there.

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Speaker 2: When shorter review.

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Speaker 11: Process ah awesome and so baked into their charter their

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Speaker 11: constitution was this mandatory about once every decade Ish process

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Speaker 11: whereby folks from the community were invited in to kick

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Speaker 11: the tires of their system, their structures of government, and

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Speaker 11: asked to come up with ideas to change it. For

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Speaker 11: ninety nine percent of the time, when local governments do this,

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Speaker 11: it's just window dressing. They don't really mean to invite

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Speaker 11: people to change things. But to their credit, everyone understood

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Speaker 11: in Portland, this antiquate system that had been designed about

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Speaker 11: a more than a hundred years ago wasn't working. So

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Speaker 11: everyone understood something needed to change. And so the ability

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Speaker 11: for our partners to organize around a process where people

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Speaker 11: were supposed to be invited in to come up with

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Speaker 11: ideas and to really flesh them out, that's what allowed

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Speaker 11: for that deep conversation about what does it mean to

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Speaker 11: have an election and have everyone represented? How do we

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Speaker 11: integrate or prioritize racial equity within these structures. Can a

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Speaker 11: winner take all system ever be equitable. It's kind of

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Speaker 11: like at odds with one another, and so that's how

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Speaker 11: they came up with this design of essentially the Irish system.

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Speaker 11: They ran a campaign to support the recommendation that came

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Speaker 11: from that city charter review process, and they won fifty

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Speaker 11: seven forty three. This is the first city that has

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Speaker 11: adopted this form, the first major city that has adopted

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Speaker 11: this electoral system since New York City did in the

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Speaker 11: nineteen thirty So it's been one hundred years of that

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Speaker 11: kind of hidden history that it's been kind of outside

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Speaker 11: of our imagination. Colin, do you want to say any

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Speaker 11: words about like how things are going at this point?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, also, a lot of folks might be like, oh, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: Portland did it. But like I've seen Portland, Ya, it's

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Speaker 3: crunchy liberal hibbies who demn Kyle McLoughlin is a good mayor.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: But if you talk to some of the activists and

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Speaker 3: colleagues of ours in Portland, what they would tell you,

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Speaker 3: and I think what like looking at the elections also

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Speaker 3: tell you is that Portland is like most major cities

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Speaker 3: in the US, and that that has not been the

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Speaker 3: people winning elections. The city council has largely been the

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Speaker 3: candidate's most preferred by developers and big business. Like George mentioned,

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Speaker 3: they are all folks from downtown or west of the River,

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Speaker 3: which is where all the really rich people live. Like

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Speaker 3: the the established political I mean, the political establishment that's

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Speaker 3: entrenched in Portland is the same as it kind of

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Speaker 3: as anywhere. And you know, one in four Portlanders is

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Speaker 3: a person of color. So like, yes, it's pretty white,

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Speaker 3: but it's not. It's not just like a white utopia

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Speaker 3: like people might think it's.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 3: It is a multi racial community. And if Portland can

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Speaker 3: do it, I actually think anywhere can do it that

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Speaker 3: at least on the city level. Like the four of

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Speaker 3: the five city councilors came out against the reform when

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Speaker 3: it was being considered. The former mayor came out against it,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Chamber of Commerce came out against it,

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Speaker 3: like they were fighting every single established interest that existed,

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Speaker 3: and they still managed to win.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, now they're doing it for the first time

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Speaker 3: that they just like made sample ballots public a few

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Speaker 3: days ago. And there are some other smaller cities in

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Speaker 3: America that are using proportional systems Albany, California, Cambridge, Massachusetts, Minneapolis, Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: for their Parks and Recreation Board, and there was one

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Speaker 3: Detroit suburb that used it for a few years. Because

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Speaker 3: this is a weird story, but basically, the Obama Department

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Speaker 3: of Justice brought a lawsuit that the Trump Department of

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Speaker 3: Justice settled, and so under the Obama case, like, they

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Speaker 3: adopted a proportional system to resolve a Voting Rights Act complaint.

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Speaker 3: But the Trump DOJ said, you only have to use

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Speaker 3: this system twice and then you can go back to

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Speaker 3: the old system that violates the Footing Rights Act. So

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Speaker 3: they don't use it anymore. But it's not just at that.

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Speaker 1: If I can't get it right and make it permanent

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Speaker 1: after to it back, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what we're doing here.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show If you like, the

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Speaker 1: show means the world demiles. He needs your validation, folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday.

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Speaker 2: Bye.