1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Daybreak Europ podcast, available every morning 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Wednesday, the 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: ninth of April in London. I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: Trump's higher rate tariffs take effect as China gets hit 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: with a punit of one hundred and four percent levy. 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: Markets resume their sell off as bonds take the meltdown 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: batton from stocks in a worrying sign for central banks. 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: Plus pharma prepares to swallow a bitter pill. Trump teeses 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: further major tariffs on drug makers. Let's start with a 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: roundup of our top stories. Donald Trump's so called reciprocal 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: tariffs are now in effect as the US President moves 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: forward with his effort to reorder global trade. China faces 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: a one hundred and four percent levy, while imports from 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: the EU will be taxed at twenty percent. In total, 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: around sixty countries run trade surpluses with the US are 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: now subject to higher import charges. This follows the introduction 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: of a ten percent baseline tariff on most American trading partners, 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: which took effect on Saturday. Speaking at a fundraiser. Just 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: before the new charges came into force, Trump was in 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: a jubilant mood. 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: We're making a fortune with tariffs. 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 4: Two billion dollars a day. 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: Do you believe it? I was told two billion dollars 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 3: a day. You know, I get hit by the press 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: about tariffs. We're making two billion billion. This is in 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 3: thirty five million, that's peanuts. 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: Two billion dollars a day. 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: And then they say, gee they or know you know, 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: this is only the enemy can be talking this way. 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: In addition, we have a lot of countries coming to 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: see as they want to make a deal. 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: Trump says that teams from Japan and South Korea were 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: en route to the US to hammer out agreements as 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: nations look to secure reductions to the higher tariff rates. 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: The one hundred and four percent charge on most Chinese 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: goods has drawn a strong response Fromjing. Premier Le Chiang 38 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: says the country has ample policy tools to fully offset 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: any negative external shocks. That's as the People's Bank of 40 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: China weakened the yuan's daily reference rate for a fifth 41 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: straight session in a carefully orchestrated move to blunt some 42 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: of the economic impact of the trade war without destabilizing 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: financial markets. Senior fellow of the Tiger Institute, Aner Tangan, 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: says the country is positioning itself to wait for US 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: voters to turn on Trump. 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 5: Let's be frank here. These tariffs are not being paid 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 5: by China. They're being paid by US consumers. And in 48 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 5: two months from now, there's going to be war cries 49 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 5: on the street. A lot of people who elected Donald 50 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 5: Trump because they thought he can control prices will be 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 5: calling for his head. 52 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: Enter Tangan speaking there. The triple digit charge is made 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: up of a previous twenty percent levy tied to fentanyl trafficking, 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: a thirty four percent reciprocal tariff derived from a calculation 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: based on the bilateral trade balance, and an additional fifty 56 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: percent duty Trump announced after Beijing said it would respond 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: by taxing US exports to China. 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 6: With the higher tariff. 59 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: Rates now in effects, the long end of the US 60 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: treasury market is facing renewed pressures. Investors scramble to raise cash. 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: The thirty year treasure yield jumped to as much as 62 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: twenty basis points more today in what Bank of America's 63 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: Mark Cabana called a fire sale. The sharp move is 64 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: raising fears of a repeat of twenty twenties unwinding of 65 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: the basis trade, a highly leveraged hedge fund wager. Then 66 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve had to intervene to stabilize the market 67 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: when markets are tumbling in a broad sell off after 68 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: the tariff deadline, the dollar fell along with equity index 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: futures for Europe and the US, and oil hit a 70 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: fresh four year low as investors are gripped by a 71 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: crisis of confidence in US exceptionalism. Earlier, former US Treasury 72 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: Secretary Larry Summers warned that the US is now likely 73 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: headed toward a recession. 74 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: We'll see an extra two million people be unemployed. We'll 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: see losses in household income that are five thousand dollars 76 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: of family or more. We are very likely, in the 77 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: context of a recession, to see markets reach levels significantly 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: below their current levels. 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: Summers added he didn't yet see a bottom for the market. 80 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: The losses come after a day of relatively calm trading 81 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: was shattered by the White House saying it would double 82 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: down on its tariff approach. Bloomberg has learned the White 83 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 2: House's top economic team argued over plans to impose even 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: bigger tariffs. Trade advisor Peter Navarro was among the US 85 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: administration's more hawkish members who pushed for a flat twenty 86 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: five percent levy on all countries, whereas privately, Treasury secretaries 87 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: got bessent and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik tried to moderate 88 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: the plan's warning of a stock market reaction. White House 89 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: spokesperson Caroline Levitt was asked about public comments Elon Musk made, 90 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: calling Navarro quote dumber than a sack of bricks. 91 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 7: Look, these are obviously two individuals who have very different 92 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 7: views on trade and on tariff's. Boys will be boys, 93 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 7: and we will let their public sparring continue. And you 94 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 7: guys should all be very grateful that we have the 95 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 7: most transparent administration in history. And I think it also 96 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 7: speaks to the President's willingness to hear from all sides 97 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 7: that he has people at the highest levels of dis 98 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 7: government in this White House who have very diverse opinions 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 7: on very diverse issues. 100 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: Levitt added, everyone who was involved in making the tariff 101 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: plan will be involved in bilateral negotiations going forward. American 102 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: consumers are attempting to get ahead of the tariffs, stucking 103 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: up on imported products. Bloomberg's Ewan Potts has more. 104 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 6: From Italian olive oil to bigger purchases like cars and smartphones. 105 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 6: President Trump's tarifts are pushing many US consumers to try 106 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 6: and get ahead of any price rises. Staff Paul saw 107 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 6: supported a bump a weekend last week, and data from 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 6: Bloomberg second measure, which tracks credit and debit card purchases, 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 6: showed electronics retailer best Buy had its best monthly performance 110 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 6: since twenty twenty one. Car showroom's also very busy. One 111 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 6: Californian Cellar of Outdoor Gears even running a special promotion 112 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 6: with the activation code tariffs suck in London, Imune pots 113 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Radio. 114 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: President Trump said long promised tariffs on pharmaceutical drugs will 115 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: be coming soon. The move is just the latest signal 116 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: that he plans to press ahead with more sectoral tariffs 117 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: despite market fallout from his global levies. Trump has long 118 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: bemoaned a lack of domestic pharmaceutical production and has repeatedly 119 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: promised tariffs to bring more capacity into the country. Here 120 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: he was speaking yesterday. 121 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: We're going to teriff our pharmaceuticals because with a big market, 122 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: the advantage we have over everybody is that we're the 123 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: big market. So we're going to be announcing very shortly 124 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: a major TERRRIF for on pharmaceuticals. 125 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: In addition to pharmaceutical drugs, Trump's administration has separately pledged 126 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: additional sectoral levees, including on lumber and semiconductor chips, though 127 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: timing and details are unclear. Those are your top stories 128 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: on the markets. The ten year treasure yield fourteen basis 129 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: points high at four point four to three percent, the 130 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: thirty year yield now sixteen basis point higher at four 131 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: point nine three percent. In eight In equity markets, Themscirish 132 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: specific Inexus down two point five percent, the NICK and 133 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: Tokyo down by four point six percent. Eurostock fifty futures 134 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: are plummeting as well, down four point four percent. For 135 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: two one hundred futures are down by three point four percent. 136 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: On Wall Street SMPE minis are down by two point 137 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: three percent as well, and we are have just the 138 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: news as well. The Japan's Ministry of Finance on the 139 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: Bank of Japan with financial regulators are going to hold 140 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: a meeting this afternoon their time as well, so later 141 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: this morning in London as the forty year yield has 142 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: risen thirty two base points to the highest since its 143 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: debut in two thousand and seven. As well, we've had 144 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: the yen trimming its strengthening after we've had news of 145 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: that upcoming meeting between the Ministry of Finance and regulators 146 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: as well well. In a moment, we'll bring you more 147 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: on the tariffs as Donald Trump's new levies come into 148 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: forest pustock through the market reaction. But while investors are 149 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: giving their verdict on Trump's trade war, David M. Druker 150 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: has been writing for Bloomberg Opinion about how American voters 151 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: are considering the tariffs. He points to a pole conducted 152 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: last week and the run up to the big tariff 153 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: announcement showing a majority of Republican voters approve of the 154 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: president's handling of jobs, trade, and the economy. Only on 155 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: inflation was his support softer, and Dave Druker writes that 156 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: you should expect those voters to retain a substantial amount 157 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: of trust in Trump's management of the economy, and he 158 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: says that's partly down to how Trump is selling these 159 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: measures as restoring fairness to the American economy, a message 160 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: that resonates in places where the outperformance of the US 161 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: hasn't been felt and key swing states. The challenge, though, 162 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: David Andruka writes, is for Trump that the tariffs have 163 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: never worked, including in the eighteen hundreds when they were 164 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: more common, and that's contrary to the claims the President 165 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: made while unveiling the new policy. It's among the reasons 166 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: most economists are not just sharply critical, but downright incredulous. 167 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: But David writes that for now, Trump has the political 168 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: leeway to prove his critics and history wrong. But the 169 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: risk is that if his efforts to transform the global 170 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: economy take too long or never materialize, how will that 171 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: go down with his supporters. It's a great piece you 172 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: can read at Bloomberg dot com, Forward Slash Opinion. Well, 173 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: let's bring you the latest on the tariff's story. As 174 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: those higher rates come into effect for around sixty of 175 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: America's trading partners, including twenty percent on the European Union, 176 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: China now facing a one hundred and four percent levy 177 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: on its exports to the United States. Our trades are 178 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: Brendan Murray joins us. Now for more, Brenda, let's start 179 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: with China than what does is a one hundred and 180 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: four percent tariff. Due to that trading relationship. 181 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 8: It will slowly disintegrate it if not to do more 182 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 8: damage quickly. Basically, if you're an importer in the US 183 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 8: right now and you have one hundred thousand dollars worth 184 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 8: of Chinese products that are on the ocean headed toward 185 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 8: the US, you're now going to have to pay more 186 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 8: than two hundred thousand for those a few factor in 187 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 8: the tariff. So the trading relationship will be under an 188 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 8: enormous amount of stress. A lot of trade will be 189 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 8: diverted to other countries. But in the short run, many 190 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 8: companies would would just basically cancel their orders and wait 191 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 8: to see if this is a long term issue that's 192 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 8: going to require different suppliers from different countries, or it's 193 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 8: just a short term issue that's going to be resolved 194 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 8: in a month or two through talks. But the bottom 195 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 8: line is it just creates an enormous amount of uncertainty 196 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 8: for you know, one of the biggest trading relationships in 197 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 8: the world. 198 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: Brenton China this time yesterday was promising to fight to 199 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: the end in this trade war. But can China retaliate 200 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: in a meaningful way against the US and do they 201 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: look likely to, Well. 202 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 8: They haven't so far, which is a bit surprising. They 203 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 8: did very quickly the previous two times that Trump imposed 204 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 8: tariffs of ten percent each, and so they could be 205 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 8: playing the game here where they announced something right before 206 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 8: the US market opens for maximum impact. But it's definitely 207 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 8: curious that they haven't announced anything so far. But surely 208 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 8: that's only a matter of time. This will not drive 209 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 8: China to the negotiating table. They are notoriously unwilling to 210 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 8: negotiate under duress, and so they're going to have to 211 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 8: diffuse the situation here before they'll be, as they would say, 212 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 8: bullied to the bargaining table. 213 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: Of course, it's not just China being affected here. Dozens 214 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: of other countries are saying higher tariffs come into fourth today. 215 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: I mean, how significant is this in the escalation of 216 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: tariffs that we've seen and the reordering of the global 217 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: trade relationships that Donald Trump is trying to orchestrate. 218 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, So every into the US from the European 219 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 8: Union is now twenty percent more expensive given the rate 220 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 8: that the Trump administration has applied to the EU and 221 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 8: ten percent for the UK. So the global trading system 222 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 8: has taken many decades to form these trading relationships through 223 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 8: trade agreements, through certain treaties between countries, and we're watching 224 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 8: them all of this kind of unravel before our eyes 225 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 8: in a matter of days or week. 226 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: What hopes are there for negotiations? Now? We see some 227 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: countries being singled out by Donald Trumps as having envoys 228 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: on the way for talks. 229 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 8: So Japan, Korea, and India seemed to be the first 230 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 8: in line to start the negotiations. The Trump administration thinks 231 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 8: that these can be these kinds of talks can be 232 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 8: held on short order, in a number of weeks or 233 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 8: maybe a. 234 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 4: Month or two. 235 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 8: But the experience and history has shown that trade relationships 236 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 8: are incredibly complex. They're usually written on thousands and thousands 237 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 8: of pages of of documents with legal ees that you 238 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 8: know are really hard to decipher. So once you start 239 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 8: getting down to the nitty gritty of it, that's where 240 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 8: the real real hard work begins. So it's easy to 241 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 8: get parties to the negotiating table, it's much more difficult 242 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 8: to actually pull this off and reach an agreement where 243 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 8: both sides are happy. 244 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: Okay, Brandon Murray, our trades are thank you very much. 245 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: We've seen further dramatic moves on markets as these tariffs 246 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: come into force, Treasury selling off further stocks, also dropping 247 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: in Asia. Let's bring in our markets live stress as 248 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: Mark Cranfield for more. Mark, First of all, let's start 249 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: with treasuries yield spiking again today. Is this a fire sale, 250 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: as Mark Bank of America's calling. 251 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 4: Us, yeah, or a bias strike. It's what Lombard Odia 252 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 4: I've also described it as. And one of the issues, 253 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 4: of course, is that the US Treasury has to continue 254 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 4: with its auctions even though we've got these huge dislocations 255 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 4: in markets. They had a three year auction last night 256 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 4: didn't go that well. We have a ten year to 257 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: day in a thirty year the day after these is 258 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: going to be a very big test for the market, 259 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: particularly as people are watching what the international participation is. 260 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 4: Everyone knows that Japan and China are two of the 261 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: largest holders of US treasuries, and if they decide that 262 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 4: they don't want to show up an auction, particularly along 263 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 4: dated sale, it's going to be very tricky and we'll 264 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 4: put everything back on to the war street players. They'll 265 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: have to take the bulk of the bonds if that's 266 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 4: the case. So it's a very dicest situation, a bit 267 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: like having a bunch of land mines in front of you. 268 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 4: Nobody wants to step on them. And that's partly the 269 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: reason why we're having this huge volatility today. Unusual in 270 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: Asia to see treasury yields rising so quickly, but clearly 271 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: people are thinking that there is a higher risk that 272 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 4: treasury auctions do not go as smoothly as usual. 273 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: We're also seeing other authorities elsewhere in the world reacting 274 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: to this. Japan holding a meeting the central Bank and 275 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: the finance Ministry and regulators meeting later on today after 276 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: a big jump in their bond yeals. What should we 277 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: be thinking about looking ahead to that meeting. 278 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 4: It's all about disorderly markets. No central bank likes to 279 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 4: think that any part of their financial market is at 280 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 4: risk of becoming disorderly. Some of the moves in Japanese 281 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: bonds today are teetering on that. Very unnerving if you're 282 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: someone in charge of looking after those kind of markets. 283 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 4: And also the equity market as well in Japan has 284 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 4: taken a fearful bashing as well this week, as well, 285 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: so they've got plenty of reason for coming together, which 286 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 4: they typically will do after high volatility. You won't just 287 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: be in Japan. Other countries will be doing the same thing. 288 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 4: They'll want to make sure that all their mechanisms are 289 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: in place, all the structures are secure, they have the 290 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: liquidity they need. Should they need to quickly come into 291 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 4: the market to reassure everybody that they're still in control 292 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: and that it's nothing to worry about, it's probably you 293 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: would think it might sound a little bit overkill, the 294 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: fact that they've publicized the fact that they're having this meeting, 295 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: But you can expect other countries will be doing exactly 296 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 4: the same thing because volatility is extreme across esset classes. 297 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: We've been watching the pbocs move on the yuan as well, 298 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: weakening the fix again. I mean, how much pressure is 299 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: on the y one given the China is at the 300 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: focus point of these trade tariffs now. 301 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: The Central Bank in China is managing it very carefully. 302 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 4: The market is trying to push them further because you 303 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: have this situation of an offshore yuan and an onshore 304 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 4: and the offshore in theory has no limits to it. It 305 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: can go can move as far as any other currency, 306 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: and typically that's what you're seeing is if people want 307 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 4: to speculate against the risk of a much weaker Yuan, 308 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 4: they tend to use the offshore currency. We saw overnight 309 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 4: there was a huge spread between the offshore and the onshore. 310 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 4: That's narrowed a bit during the day to day. It 311 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 4: will probably widen again tonight as we get into London 312 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 4: and New York trading. The Central Bank, on the other 313 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 4: side is very gradually lifting the daily fixing rate. They're 314 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 4: showing the rest of the world very clearly that they're 315 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 4: in control, but they're also guiding the currency to lower 316 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: ground as well. But they're doing it at their own speed. 317 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: There's probably quite a way to go, considering that they're 318 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 4: about to be hit with a lot of new tariffs 319 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: from the United States. 320 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 2: Well as we're thinking about the European open in a 321 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: couple of hours time, mark what should we be watching. 322 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 9: Out for. 323 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: Everything. It's been a complete mess across Asia markets. Equities 324 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 4: are down across the board. If you look at what 325 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 4: the European futures are suggesting, they're looking at a very 326 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: big decline, probably a four percent decline at the open 327 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 4: and for European markets, although German futures are doing pretty well, 328 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 4: they're actually quite solid. There is no sell off in 329 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 4: German one futures and completely unlike what it's seeing Australia, 330 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 4: Treasure is and JGB. So that's one good point, and 331 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: the eurocurrency is having a pretty good start to the 332 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 4: day as well. But equity markets there seems to be 333 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 4: nowhere to hide for them, so do expect pretty weak 334 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 4: opening in European equities. 335 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 336 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Streets and beyond. 337 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 9: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, 338 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 9: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 339 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 340 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 341 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 9: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 342 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 9: Amazon Alexa devices. 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