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Speaker 1: Is there a right answer? Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Paul calvic He joins me wide receiver or offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two positions most often tied to the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals two first round draft picks. Which position is more important?

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Speaker 1: Which position has greater value? And what are the four

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Speaker 1: teams that reach championship? Sunday tell us about those two positions.

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Speaker 1: Also real time reaction, Cardinals making some moves in free agency,

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Speaker 1: and the Seahawks reportedly have a brand new head coach

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Speaker 1: at Cardinals Cover two Episode seven four and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Budda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's a five Payson again, so more Perry Magic.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, here's Craig Grioloud.

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Speaker 1: Going to make your day?

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Speaker 2: Paul?

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Speaker 1: Wait, why I say that and immediately you start laughing?

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Speaker 3: My day or is it going to be at my expense?

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Speaker 3: That's what I want to know your day? Okay, I

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Speaker 3: am going to make your day. Well, I feel bad

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Speaker 3: because I was about to rip you. I saw where

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Speaker 3: Larry David bagged on Bill Simmons for being a wrestling fan,

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Speaker 3: and so I was going to actually turn that on you.

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Speaker 3: But now I feel bad for even having that mindset

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Speaker 3: and or strategy slash game plan. So I'll shut up

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Speaker 3: over here, do it. I should do best and just

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Speaker 3: stifle myself.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, nothing wrong with professional wrestling, Paul, Just make

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Speaker 1: sure you're aware of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: With that said, and despite your attempts at knocking me,

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Speaker 1: I am going to make your day here on this

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Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai Prout

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals, Vincent Boston. Are I hope

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Speaker 1: bym pronouncing that last name correctly covers the Raiders for

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Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Review Journal? Okay, he's at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday posted the following Michael Pennix making some oh

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Speaker 1: damn throws at the Senior Bowl touch velocity, long balls,

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Speaker 1: short intermediate impressive Wednesday Morning NFL dot Com number one

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Speaker 1: takeaway from Day one at the Senior Bowl. Michael Pennock

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Speaker 1: Junior's arm stands out arm talent just looked different working

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Speaker 1: next to Oregon's bon Nicks and Notre Dame Sam Hartman

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Speaker 1: looked more comfortable taking snaps from center than the others.

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Speaker 1: That was written by Lance zero line. Again, what is

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvic's big take here in the off season? You

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Speaker 1: need a fourth quarterback? Paul, I just gave you that

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Speaker 3: See, and I thought it was gonna be bon Nix.

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Speaker 3: I mean, but it doesn't matter to me.

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Speaker 1: You don't care.

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Speaker 3: We're not differentiating or distinguishing between quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: We don't care.

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Speaker 3: Just let their be one QB rising. And in recent

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Speaker 3: history there has been that one. Whether it's been Zach

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Speaker 3: to four, historically Blake Bortles to three, Mitchell Trubisky to two.

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Speaker 3: It happens every year some guy with uber arm talent

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Speaker 3: all the way back to JaMarcus Russell number one overall,

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Speaker 3: where the Cardinals are at number four. The best thing

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Speaker 1: Paul is desperate for more bites at the Apple because

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Speaker 1: this Cardinals team, and there's no argument here, has a

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Speaker 1: better to take the best wide receiver the game is seen,

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Speaker 3: And look, this draft is absolutely loaded number one in

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Speaker 3: how loaded this whole draft is. In fact, Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 3: Think of how deep this draft class is and how

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Speaker 3: Look, you could go, for example, you want to talk

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Speaker 3: He's a Hall of Famer. What did it do for

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Speaker 3: It's when they finally rebuilt the offensive line, and to

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Speaker 3: the formula for the Arizona Cardinals, that Honolulu blueprint not

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Speaker 1: Glad you brought up the Detroit Lions. The line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: Three of the four teams are led by first round picks.

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Speaker 1: Brock Party is an anomaly. It happens rarely. The line

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Speaker 1: And that case defense is a big reason why the

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Speaker 3: Two years ago, Cooper Cup was the NFL Offensive Player

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Speaker 3: So you see this history if you're doing your homework

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Speaker 1: You need a quarterback. Cardinals have a quarterback. You need

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Speaker 1: And yet with this Cardinals team, you need a number

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals leading receiver this year is Trey McBride. What

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I mean at this Senior Bowl, for example, you're looking

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Speaker 3: A they value the practices in the one on ones

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Speaker 1: By the way, Howers Johnson, at least I saw this

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Speaker 1: Goeyiton told reporters he did speak with the Cardinals inmobile

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Speaker 3: Rodney Hudson, that one great year he provided the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: what kind of a role, but was that going to

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Speaker 1: be the future center? Was that going to be maybe

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Speaker 1: in that guard rotation on the left side. John Gaines

436
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Speaker 1: is still on this roster. We just haven't seen him

437
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Speaker 1: because he missed the entire season on IR. But I

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Speaker 1: do think there is a big emphasis again going back

439
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Speaker 1: to the four teams in the championship game or the

440
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Speaker 1: championship Sunday, and just what we saw in year one

441
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Speaker 1: from Monty Austin Ford, the emphasis on the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: It can't just be the O line, gotta be the

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Speaker 1: D line as well. But you have to start where

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Speaker 1: the ball is snapped, because Kyler Murray can't be Kyler

445
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Speaker 1: Murray if that offensive line is not doing its job.

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Speaker 3: And look, we spent a lot of time talking about

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Speaker 3: the offensive line, maybe no one more than me, but

448
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Speaker 3: you're right, that defensive line needs to be addressed. And

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Speaker 3: if if the Cardinals were to trade out of number four,

450
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Speaker 3: I think it would be in the name of specifically

451
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Speaker 3: rebuilding that defensive line room, getting enough picks, getting enough

452
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Speaker 3: bites at the apple to go ahead and get some

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Speaker 3: guys in there, whether it's one of the two guys

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Speaker 3: from Texas for example, you find the Clemson I mean,

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Speaker 3: you get some guys in there that can be stout

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Speaker 3: against the run. Because we saw what the Rams were

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Speaker 3: able to do last year. You know in both games,

458
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Speaker 3: right and we all know the Niners the most complex

459
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Speaker 3: run scheme in the NFL, and I'm guessing now with

460
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks and their pair of power running backs and

461
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Speaker 3: their new head coach, we'll get to we know where

462
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Speaker 3: he's coming from, the number one run team in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: even though he was the coordinator on the other.

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Speaker 1: Side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: So thou shalt be able to stop the run in

466
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Speaker 3: the NFC West or you have no chance. And so look,

467
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Speaker 3: if this isn't a year with the premier edge rusher guys,

468
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Speaker 3: it is a pretty good year for a lot of

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Speaker 3: these defensive tackles. And so maybe the underrated storyline that

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Speaker 3: I haven't really put enough attention to yet is when

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Speaker 3: and if and how many picks are devoted to defensive linemen.

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Speaker 1: The two defensive tackles out of Texas Byron Murphy. The

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Speaker 1: second was on one of the original rosters for the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Now, according to what I've been reading, is

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Speaker 1: not on a roster. Don't know why. And then the

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Speaker 1: other defensive tackle to and Andre Sweat is participating, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of noise that he opted not to way

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Speaker 1: in and is at a red flag. Now at Texas,

479
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Speaker 1: he was listed at three sixty two. You're participating, yet

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Speaker 1: you don't want to jump on this scale. And as

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Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, well, we're expecting you to be a

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Speaker 1: little bit heavy in the three sixty three seventy range.

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Speaker 1: But if you're not weighing in, but you're still participating

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Speaker 1: and you're maybe bigger than three sixty two, are you

485
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Speaker 1: overweight but still want to be on the field. And again,

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Speaker 1: we're reading different things because we have all this time

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Speaker 1: between now and the end of April. But this is

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Speaker 1: all something that we in the media and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: scouts as well, examined, wonder question why not way in?

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Speaker 1: You're participating? Why not weigh in? We appreciate you competing

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Speaker 1: because there are some that just choose not to compete,

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Speaker 1: but the little things like weighing in, why not way in?

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, this is kind of a hot take, but

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Speaker 3: there was an offensive lineman. There is precedent here a

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Speaker 3: few years ago for the car Cardinals, who let's just say,

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Speaker 3: exceeded the capacity of the scale in the Cardinals locker room.

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Speaker 3: They literally had to go to an industrial scale at

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Speaker 3: a warehouse. So you don't want to make headlines for

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Speaker 3: the wrong reason. So if indeed, a, you're overweight or

500
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Speaker 3: beyond the acceptable weight range, that's one thing. But number two,

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Speaker 3: if they don't even have the correct scale where they

502
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Speaker 3: can't even accommodate you're largest right your girth, then that

503
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Speaker 3: could be a ultimately embarrassing and b has the potential

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Speaker 3: to go viral and really undermine your draft status.

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Speaker 1: And I'll just say this, if you are overweight, you've

506
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Speaker 1: known about the Senior Bowl, you'll know about the Combine,

507
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Speaker 1: you have these dates circled on the calendar. It's not

508
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Speaker 1: that difficult when it's your job. It's your job interview,

509
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Speaker 1: you have nothing yet and you're trying to get on

510
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Speaker 1: a team. You're trying to hear your name called during

511
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Speaker 1: the three days of the draft. It's making that impression.

512
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Speaker 1: And dare I say, maybe you make the wrong impression

513
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Speaker 1: when you do or do not do certain things when

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Speaker 1: you're at the Senior Bowl or in a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks in Indianapolis for the scouting combine them.

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Speaker 3: By the way, just a quick footnote and follow up

517
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Speaker 3: to the whole center discussion. Who were the two starting

518
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Speaker 3: centers in the AFC Championship Game? Creed Humphrey, Kansas City,

519
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Speaker 3: Tyler Linderbaum of Baltimore. You know, those are too familiar names, Baul,

520
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Speaker 3: because they were brought up with the Arizona Cardinals of

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Speaker 3: the past couple of seasons. Yes, indeed, and so those

522
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Speaker 3: guys anchored and centered some really stout offensive lines. So

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Speaker 3: if you're maniasa Ford and Crew and you're up in

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Speaker 3: a look at Frank ragnow an alliance, he was an

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Speaker 3: all pro. Where does Dave Sears come from? The Detroit

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Speaker 3: Lions assistant GM. I'm just saying there's a lot of

527
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Speaker 3: a lot of fodder. There, a lot of, you know,

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Speaker 3: evidence that the Cardinals could go that direction, especially in

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Speaker 3: a draft with at least two, if not three, thought

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Speaker 3: to be elite center prospects available.

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Speaker 1: I believe, least if you believe what was the scuttle

532
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Speaker 1: butt is that Kyler Murray wanted to create Humphrey and

533
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Speaker 1: if not for the trade for Hollywood Brown, Tyler Lindebaum

534
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: would have been the Cardinals' first round pick. So again,

535
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Speaker 1: offensive line. Maybe this front office views the line of

536
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Speaker 1: scrimmage differently than the previous front office.

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Speaker 3: And so look, and you don't know what's out there.

538
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Speaker 3: Maybe even via free agency, you know, we can see,

539
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Speaker 3: you know, how the Cardinals value that. But there's no

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Speaker 3: doubt in my mind that you don't watch the first

541
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Speaker 3: half of what the Lions did to the forty nine ers.

542
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Speaker 3: And they have a Niners team that is arguably the

543
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Speaker 3: most talent and deepest front seven in the league with

544
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Speaker 3: all pros up there, and the Lions had their waist

545
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Speaker 3: to see Penny Seol as an extra offensive lineman in

546
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: motion was a thing of beauty. And for a Cardinals

547
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Speaker 3: team that was number four in rushing last year, it

548
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Speaker 3: was number one in explosive runs an average five plus

549
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Speaker 3: yards of carry. Don't think that was a fluke last year.

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Speaker 3: That's the direction that this offense is headed. Again, not

551
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Speaker 3: an anti Marvin Harrison take. And if he is a selection,

552
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Speaker 3: bile means welcome aboard.

553
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Speaker 1: But again, what is the more important position? What is

554
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Speaker 1: the position that had as greater value line of scrimmage

555
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Speaker 1: or a wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: And look, we know you want to talk about another

557
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Speaker 3: similarity to Detroit. I know we wanted to talk about

558
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Speaker 3: Dan Campbell and his propensy to go for it in

559
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Speaker 3: fourth down. And over the last three years, the Lions

560
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Speaker 3: have led the league and number of fourth down attempts

561
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Speaker 3: and the Cardinals were fourth last year, fourthmost third down attempts,

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Speaker 3: but the efficiency rate the success was bottom four.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: And so with that in mind, Okay, how are you

565
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: going to get better on short yardage? Improve the offensive line?

566
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Speaker 3: You obviously have the running back and James Connor. You

567
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Speaker 3: obviously have a running quarterback to keep the defense honest

568
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Speaker 3: in Kyler Murray. You know, the red zone efficiency numbers

569
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Speaker 3: are pretty good for the Cardinals twenty twenty three. Correct, yes,

570
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Speaker 3: And so look you and that makes sense to me

571
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Speaker 3: because if you have that running quarterback, what did we

572
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Speaker 3: say when Kyler Murray was coming out of the draft

573
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Speaker 3: five years ago, This is your competitive advantage, this is

574
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Speaker 3: your secret repon in the red zone is a guy

575
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Speaker 3: who can run a four to three to the pylon,

576
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Speaker 3: and that a defense has to account for. And it's

577
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Speaker 3: you know, ostensibly has to commit a spy in the

578
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Speaker 3: red zone to Kyler Murray because he'll just tuck it

579
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Speaker 3: and run it from two to three four yards out

580
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Speaker 3: at any moment. And so look, now, if you can

581
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Speaker 3: actually get into these situations more often, get into the

582
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Speaker 3: red zone with more frequency, your efficiency was pretty good.

583
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Speaker 3: Your fourth and short can now you convert on third downs,

584
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Speaker 3: you never face four down. But if you are fourth

585
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Speaker 3: and you want to go for it, like Jonathan Gannon

586
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: is apt to do, then okay, we're just gonna come

587
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Speaker 3: off and it doesn't matter. If you know we're gonna

588
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: run it, we're gonna still run it and move you

589
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Speaker 3: off the ball.

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Speaker 1: Again, the Cardinals rank seventh in the red zone, but

591
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Speaker 1: they had just forty three trips inside the twenty yard

592
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Speaker 1: line and that was the fourth fewest in the league.

593
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Speaker 1: So you get inside the twenty and you're scoring, whether

594
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Speaker 1: that's a touchdown or a field goal, but just not

595
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: enough trips inside the red zone, so drives are bogged

596
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Speaker 1: down when you get inside the twenty, and that was

597
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: an issue. You're not scoring enough points. Yeah, you can

598
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Speaker 1: move the ball in between the twenties, but when the

599
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Speaker 1: field shrinks and it becomes a little bit tighter, well yeah,

600
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Speaker 1: you need to be able to run the football. Cardinals

601
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: are capable of that. And then again the argument to

602
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Speaker 1: my wide receiver offensive line, Okay, well do you have

603
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Speaker 1: that wide receiver threat who can go up and get

604
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Speaker 1: the ball a lah, Larry Fitzgerald. We'll have to wait

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Speaker 1: and see if that's a Michael Wilson down the road,

606
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Speaker 1: but a tall, physical wide receiver who's not afraid of

607
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Speaker 1: contact at the goal line in the end zone, fighting

608
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Speaker 1: off a defender, maybe a little push here or there

609
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Speaker 1: to get a little extra separation, and then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, Kyle Murray is his option, whether that's a

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Speaker 1: run or a pass.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting too, because Jonathan Gannon made a

613
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Speaker 3: few cryptic comments in his final press conference with the

614
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Speaker 3: media about what the offense might look like next year,

615
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Speaker 3: and he said he was only half joking when he

616
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Speaker 3: told the staff that he's going to tear down the

617
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Speaker 3: offense and rebuild it. What does that mean exactly? How

618
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Speaker 3: different could it look next year? We don't know. What

619
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Speaker 3: we do know based a lot of the reporting now

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Speaker 3: and those who followed the Chiefs on a daily basis,

621
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Speaker 3: is that the Chiefs had to reinvent their offense. Midway

622
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Speaker 3: through the season, they lost a game against the Raiders,

623
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Speaker 3: their fifth loss in eight games, and they had a

624
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Speaker 3: lot of issues on offense, and a lot of it

625
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Speaker 3: revolved around what Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and Matt

626
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Speaker 3: Nagy all REALI was an offense it was too complex

627
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Speaker 3: that they had too many formations, they had too many motions,

628
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Speaker 3: they had too many route concepts in there.

629
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Speaker 1: There were play.

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Speaker 3: Calls that were fifteen words, so any Reid would call

631
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Speaker 3: it up to Naggiy, wh would then go ahead and

632
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Speaker 3: call it into the huddle, into the headset, and by

633
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: the time they were breaking the uddle, there's eleven seconds

634
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Speaker 3: on the play clock, and now they're all scrambling and

635
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: mahomes can't really read and survey the defense pre snap.

636
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Speaker 3: So they simplified everything and they eliminated a lot of

637
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Speaker 3: the mental errors. And guess what, the drops went down.

638
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: Guys were playing and they weren't thinking as much and

639
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: they just went out there and they let the talent

640
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Speaker 3: take over this Chiefs offense. So I wouldn't be surprised

641
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Speaker 3: if there's some of that with the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Do they have a lot of different things in last year?

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Speaker 3: A lot of it by necessity because they had different

645
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: quarterbacks to start with Cole McCoy, then they went to

646
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Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs, they even played the rookie Clayton tune, and

647
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Speaker 3: finally Kyler Murraye. Every one of those quarterbacks is very

648
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Speaker 3: unique in individual in their own skill set, So now,

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Speaker 3: if you're building and formulating around Kyler Murray only, that

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Speaker 3: obviously streamlines your off season. But then what does that

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Speaker 3: mean for an offense that has to be installed in

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Speaker 3: the off season to some degree? And so okay, but

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Speaker 3: now last year you were installing an offense with Colt

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Speaker 3: McCoy in mind, What does it look like if it's

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray in mind? And what does that mean maybe

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Speaker 3: about some of the personnel you target in this off

657
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Speaker 3: season as well. These are all questions that I think

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Speaker 3: you have to bake into the whole evaluation of where

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals are headed in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Oh how many times have you said it, based off

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Speaker 1: of Gannon's comments to Drew Petsing, it's okay to run

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Speaker 1: the same play multiple times? And perhaps early in the

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Speaker 1: season when there was some shuffling the quarterback position because

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Speaker 1: you're waiting on Kyler Murray, you were doing different things.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes coaches can get in their own way with

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Speaker 1: making things more complicated than they really have to with

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Speaker 1: play calling and just dumb it down to a certain extent.

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Speaker 1: To your words, simplify, And I do think we did see, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's working, Let's keep doing it until they show that

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Speaker 1: they can stop it, not just once, but stop it

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Speaker 1: a second or third time. Okay, well that's no longer working.

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Speaker 1: Now we got to go to plan.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the exact rushing total in front of me,

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Speaker 3: but in the second game against the forty nine Ers,

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals ran for more than two hundred yards, and

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Speaker 3: it was demoralizing to the forty nine ers. If you

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Speaker 3: watch their post game in Fred Warner, he was at

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Speaker 3: a loss to explain what just happened. That was the

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Speaker 3: first time in fifty games the forty nine ers had

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Speaker 3: given up two hundred plus rushing yards in a single game,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of that talking to some of the

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Speaker 3: offensive linemen to your point, was guess what, we found

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Speaker 3: a couple of plays they can't stop. Here it comes

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Speaker 3: again again. And then they did that against the Philadelphia

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Speaker 3: Eagles more than two hundred rushing yards. They did that

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Speaker 3: against Seattle Seahawks and the finale more than two hundred

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Speaker 3: rushing yards. So yes, I think that the first year

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Speaker 3: play caller off and a coordinator, he was learning on

689
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Speaker 3: the job as the season went along as well, and

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Speaker 3: that was something mid season that Jonathan Gannon imparted to

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Speaker 3: Drew Patsen, Hey don't be afraid to repeat a play

692
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Speaker 3: until they show that they can stop it. Here it

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Speaker 3: comes again, want some real time news here on Cardinals

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Speaker 3: Cover two presented by Hyundai, pro partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

695
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Speaker 3: will get to what Seattle reportedly is doing at their

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Speaker 3: head coaching position.

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Speaker 1: But the Cardinals have made a couple of roster moves

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Speaker 1: a couple of exclusive rights free agents, Jesse Loketta and

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Speaker 1: Carter O'Donnell both have re signed with the team. Now

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Speaker 1: exclusive rights free agent. If the team wants you back,

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Speaker 1: you'll be back. There's nothing you can do. You can't

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Speaker 1: test the market, no one can come in and try

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Speaker 1: to poach you. But it does show that there is

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Speaker 1: a role for a Carter O'Donnell who did see some

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Speaker 1: time this season, and then Jesse Loketta, who basically played

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Speaker 1: every position that there was, whether that was on offense, defense,

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Speaker 1: or special teams. So again, nearly in the off Cardinals

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Speaker 1: with their first two signings that are not future contracts.

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Speaker 3: And Luketta's, he definitely fits the mold of a Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Gannon type player. At the very least, he could be

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Speaker 3: that special teams guy. You know, for example, what happens

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Speaker 3: to his Zeke Turner and some of the other stalwarts

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Speaker 3: on special teams over the years. You know, Jesse Luketta's

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Speaker 3: that guy plays all the teams, plays it with an attitude.

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Speaker 3: He's nasty, incredibly physical, doesn't back down from anyone. And

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Speaker 3: so that to me was an absolute that you're interested

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Speaker 3: in retaining. Jesse Lukett is still in a rookie contract.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, these are some of the things. And look,

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Speaker 3: that's what the Cardinals spent twenty twenty three doing, figuring

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Speaker 3: out who and what they have and where they need

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Speaker 3: to go. And just based on who is coming back,

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Speaker 3: that'll tell you what the Cardinals coaches and maniacin forth

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Speaker 3: thought of those players. Over the course of this past season.

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Speaker 1: Luketta had ten tackles and one tackle for loss and

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Speaker 1: fourteen appearances. Again, a lot of that was on special teams,

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Speaker 1: and he did see some time fullback. And then O'Donnell

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Speaker 1: started three games at left guard, played five games overall.

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Speaker 1: He was part of that rotation at that left guard position.

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Speaker 1: So again all it goes back to our original conversation

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. The first of two moves. Again, not

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Speaker 1: a future contract. Deals with the offensive line and Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting when we were in Santa Clara's Week four

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Speaker 3: and there was a conversation on his weekly TV show

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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan, and he said that when he was first

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Speaker 3: connected with John Lynch as the GM that they connected

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Speaker 3: immediately because they both shared the same philosophy that when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the draft, there are three areas where

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Speaker 3: you need to invest heavily. O line, D line, quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And they tried with Trey Lance and they failed, which

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Speaker 3: makes their Super Bowl run even more remarkable. They gave

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Speaker 3: up three first round picks and one of the all

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Speaker 3: time whiffs and disasters in the Tray Lance trade. And

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Speaker 3: they're still there because Brock perty Arizona guy in twenty

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Speaker 3: seventeen Arizona Cardinals high School Player of the Year save

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Speaker 3: their collective bacon. There's no doubt about that. But if

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Speaker 3: you look at Kyle Shanahan and what they've done over

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Speaker 3: the years, they have gone after defensive linemen and edge

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Speaker 3: guys like no other team. They have invested heavily, including

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Speaker 3: picking up Chase Young over the course of this year. So, okay,

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Speaker 3: now the Cardinals with arguably the thinnest D line room

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Speaker 3: in the NFL last year, and just the fact that

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Speaker 3: Nick Rowlis was able to make a go at times

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Speaker 3: was remarkable. I mean, I'm down in the sideline. I'm

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Speaker 3: looking at some of the names and numbers. Guys they

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Speaker 3: had called up from the practice squad who a month

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Speaker 3: earlier had been on the street and now they're a

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Speaker 3: starter and getting forty snaps in a game. Truly remarkable.

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Speaker 3: So I couldn't help but wonder, Okay, what if you

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Speaker 3: give Nick Rowlis a serious D line room with some

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Speaker 3: real dudes. Ok what is this defense capable of? And

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Speaker 3: I think that process starts this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Before we exit stage Leftier on Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. We've teased

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Speaker 1: it a couple of times, so again. The Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: according to reports, have their new head coach. They go

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Speaker 1: from double Rainbow Pete Carroll to eminem Mike McDonald, the

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Speaker 1: Ravens defensive coordinator. Thirty six years old, he becomes the

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Speaker 1: youngest head coach and the league. Now he's not bringing

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Speaker 1: over I don't think any of his defensive players with him.

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Speaker 1: Unless the Seahawks go ahead and sign somebody. But that

771
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Speaker 1: was the number one scoring defense, number six in total

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Speaker 1: yards allowed per game. They had the most takeaways and

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Speaker 1: the most sacks, second most passes defense. So a young

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Speaker 1: up and coming defensive coordinator and maybe continues with that

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Speaker 1: philosophy in Seattle Pete carroll defensive background, especially the legion

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Speaker 1: of Boom. Might they be trying to reorganize that side

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Speaker 1: of the football.

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Speaker 3: So they go from the oldest head coach in the

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Speaker 3: league and coach Double Rainbow seventy two years of age,

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Speaker 3: to a man half his age, thirty six year old

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Speaker 3: Mike McDonald, and all of a sudden, this head coaching

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Speaker 3: thing in the NFL is a young man's game to

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Speaker 3: a large degree. You look at a Dave Canalis and

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Speaker 3: O'Brian Callahan, Gerrod Mayo, and Antonio Pierce. Right, of course,

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Speaker 3: you have Jim Harbaugh in there. That was preordained. And

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Speaker 3: then Raheem Morris, who has plenty of experience going to

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Speaker 3: the Falcons, but he's a high energy guy. So for

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Speaker 3: all of us, you'res truly included who thought Dan Quinn

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Speaker 3: was an absolute slam dunk. Going back to Seattle, maybe

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Speaker 3: the fact the forty burger, the forty eight burger that

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Speaker 3: Green Bay put on him in the playoffs, maybe that

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Speaker 3: started to give the Seahawks pause and they expanded their

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Speaker 3: search after that, and then they stumbled upon a Mike

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Speaker 3: McDonald who apparently is really impressive in that interview setting.

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Speaker 3: Based on a lot of the NFL insiders in ESPN

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Speaker 3: and NFL Network, a lot of teams, all the teams

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Speaker 3: interviewed Mike McDonald. Theer said there was no one more

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Speaker 3: impressive in the interview setting than McDonald.

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Speaker 1: And I can't remember whether it was Adam Schefter or

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Speaker 1: Ian Rapaport mentioning. As part of this breaking news, they're

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Speaker 1: reporting that the Seahawks were willing to wait out the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: meaning they were willing to wait until after the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl to get even a second interview or make the higher.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they don't have to wait any longer. But going

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Speaker 1: back to what you said about Dan Quinn, what happened

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Speaker 1: to the Cowboys? Whenever I hear that, I go back

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Speaker 1: to the Atlanta Falcons losing a twenty eight to three lead.

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Speaker 1: Their offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who days after that debacle

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Speaker 1: introduced by the forty nine ers to be their head coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it, I get it, But look, it's

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing about Mike McDonald two is he comes

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Speaker 3: to Seattle and they need to revamp that defense. I

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Speaker 3: think one of the reasons that ownership moved on from

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Speaker 3: Pete Carroll is he was at a loss to explain

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Speaker 3: the final month of the season what had happened to

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Speaker 3: the Seahawk run defense. Two years in a row, they

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Speaker 3: were near the bottom of the league, if not dead

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Speaker 3: last in rush defense. Cardinals ripped them for more than

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Speaker 3: two hundred in the season finale when they had the

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Speaker 3: playoffs on the line before they were eliminated before the

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Speaker 3: end of the game. So, okay, guess what I'm guessing.

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Speaker 3: Mike McDonald coming from the Ravens, where they had the

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Speaker 3: number one total defense and they also had the number

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Speaker 3: one run game, He's coming in with a certain mindset

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Speaker 3: and philosophy in Seattle. And look, they have a lot

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Speaker 3: of weapons, obviously, two great running backs, two great receivers.

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Speaker 3: They have dbs that Devin Witherspoon is a dude that

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Speaker 3: they took number five overall last year. They need to

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Speaker 3: fortify that roster in the trenches and if they can,

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Speaker 3: if John Schneider, who now curiously does indeed have final

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Speaker 3: sam personnel. Pete Carroll made a known on his way

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Speaker 3: out that he was in charge of personnel and had

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Speaker 3: final say and that it was now finally John Schneider's

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Speaker 3: call to have final control over the rosters. So would

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Speaker 3: that be in the case all right? Because if Seattle

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Speaker 3: starts to build up the trenches, they have a pretty

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Speaker 3: young roster. What's gonna happen with Gino Smith? He's un

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Speaker 3: a glorified one year contract. They easily could make a

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Speaker 3: move in this offseason. I think that's an underrated storyline

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Speaker 3: in the NFC West. Is Gino Smith really gonna be

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Speaker 3: back next year for Seattle? Because if you have a

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Speaker 3: brand new head coach, which you now do, it seems

843
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: like a good time to get a brand new quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I think there could be a lot more change in

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Speaker 3: Seattle that's still to come, as if they haven't gone

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Speaker 3: through enough already.

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Speaker 1: We come full circle here. PAULI always keeping an eye

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Speaker 1: on the quarterback, whether that's a fourth quarterback to come

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Speaker 1: up to number four, or a quarterback within the division,

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Speaker 1: maybe a real overhaul with the Seattle Seahawks. Do you

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Speaker 1: make a trade Cardinals and Seahawks? Is that even possible

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00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: come draft time? Well, the price goes up, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, there's noble of the price. Yeah, there's no

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Speaker 1: friends prices, you know, none of that. So yeah, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if they're willing to pay it, then you let them

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Speaker 1: come up and take a shot. If they want to, hey,

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Speaker 1: take a shot at Look, if they want to keep

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennix in Seattle at number four overall, if they

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Speaker 1: fell in love with the local kid, then by all

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Speaker 1: means no doubt about it. All I know is Craig,

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Speaker 1: we did this whole Pro Football Network simulator, right, and

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Speaker 1: I just I turned into PAULI, the dealingst Okay. I

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Speaker 1: was sitting there at number four, and I kept hitting

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Speaker 1: the trade. And it's this AI simulator and you take

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Speaker 1: a team and you run their draft. And I did

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Speaker 1: it for the Cardinals in the first three rounds. And

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Speaker 1: so I turned six picks into seven players off the

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Speaker 1: draft board. And I turned into two extra first round

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Speaker 1: picks from the Rams in Tampa and three extra second

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Speaker 1: round picks from Houston, Baltimore and Seattle. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know if MANI USIP board is going to go that direction,

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Speaker 1: but it was a heck a lot of fun doing

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Speaker 1: the whole draft simulator and trying to emulate, Well, you're

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Speaker 1: in a war room and on the clock. You can

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Speaker 1: lose yourself for several hours doing these mock drafts. But

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Speaker 1: it might be an indication, Paul, of why you are

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Speaker 1: sitting across from me and not upstairs in the draft

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Speaker 1: room where we're not allowed to be in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a very real and valid reason why my

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Speaker 3: key card does not grant access to the war room.

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Speaker 2: Put it that way.

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Speaker 1: We are inching closer and closer to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four draft, and we'll again, we'll see what the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: decide to do, or maybe they make us wait a

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Speaker 1: little bit longer, because Paul does want someone to come

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Speaker 1: up to number four and see what happens if the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals trade down as they did a year ago.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Craig, I got Jared Verse the edge out

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Speaker 3: of Florida state number twenty three. I got Byron Murphy

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Speaker 3: and the to and Andre sweat the two Texas d

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Speaker 3: tackles in the second round. I got the center from

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Speaker 3: West Virginia Sack Frazier middle of the middle of the

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Speaker 3: second round as well Boom Taste It.

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Speaker 1: General manager Paul Calvic. Sure if that has quite the

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Speaker 1: ring as a general manager money Austin Ford does. But

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Speaker 1: we digress here and we'll make sure we'll get Paul

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Speaker 1: back to the mock drafts. On that note, we'll put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Joe Mamahundro, our associate

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Speaker 1: producer Cody Fincher. For the general manager Paul Calvic, I'm

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Speaker 1: Craig raylu. We'll talk to you next time here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two. Do not let Paully Cook