1 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Well, hello, everybody, you have found us. It is me 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Rosie o'donald, star of the Flintstones. How are you are 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: you doing? Well? It's Christmas time in the city, very excited, 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: lots of things going on. I spend a lot of 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: time online buying gifts to be sent to New York 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: because that's where I'm doing Christmas with all my children 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: and family and Jackie and her kids, and I just 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: I can't wait. I absolutely love Christmas time. I don't 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: like all the stress of gifts specific for people. You know, 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: my son, Parker has a new partner and I've yet 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: to meet her, and so I'm purchasing gifts for her 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: because she's coming for Christmas and I've never met her, 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: so I'm hoping that I'm just randomly guessing. Parker told 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: me she liked the color purple, so trust me, it's 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: purple everything. And I can't wait. You know, what can 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: I say? What's happening in the news. Norman Lear? Oh, 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: what can we say about Norman Lear? Only? He was 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: just the greatest humanitarian, the greatest television producer writer. He 19 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: died at one hundred and one, and I was lucky 20 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: enough to know him and to have had dinner with 21 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: him and spend some time with him. And he was lovely. 22 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: He was so lovely, and his wife lovely. And you know, 23 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: what can you say about somebody who sort of changed 24 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: everything for the world. I mean, he reframed what you 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: could or couldn't do on TV while entertaining by introducing 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: political and social themes to sitcoms. Right before All in 27 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 1: the Family television basically portrayed white family life is happy 28 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: and content remember Leave It to Beaver Hazel. TV avoided 29 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: raising issues about discrimination, misogyny, homophobia, you know, reality basically. 30 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: And in nineteen seventy one, when I was nine years old, 31 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: he changed everything. He found a way to hold up 32 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: a mirror to society, to make us all laugh and 33 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: to see ourselves and our own bigotry and ignorance. I 34 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: mean Archie Bunker Heydar read it to the Land the 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Fruit and Nuts out, dear. But I just loved him, 36 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: I really did. What can I say? He did All 37 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: in the Family Sanford and Sons Maud, which was to 38 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, one of the greatest sitcombs ever on 39 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: next to All the Family, Good Times, The Jeffersons. One 40 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: day at a time, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman, different strokes, 41 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: you could keep going, so many And what an amazing 42 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: life he lived. And people for the American Way is 43 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: his organization and trying to bring to civics and to 44 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: civil society and inspire people to be humanitarians and political activists. 45 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: And I am forever in his dead, I think, as 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: we all are. So God speed to you there, Norman Lear, 47 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: good old Norman Lear. I wanted to tell you that 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: I am on family feud on December thirteenth, and I 49 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: thought that it was last night. So my brother Eddie, 50 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: who is the oldest and the bossiest, he called and said, 51 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're on family feud. And I was like, 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: when he's like tonight, I'm like, are you kidding? He 53 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: said no. So I do this whole post about tonight 54 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: we're on family feud, complete with photos of viv and 55 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: Jackie and my godchild Katie and my niece Alli, you know, 56 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: and it's wrong. It wasn't on last night, and Eddie 57 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: like called me specifically to tell me, so of course 58 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: I made this post. And about four hours later I 59 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: get a call from Vivi, who is somewhere with her 60 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: friends in college laughing hysterically going mom, you are not 61 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: on tonight, and neither am I. We're not on until 62 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: December thirteenth. Why don't you fix it? I just felt 63 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: like somebody who had no cognitive ability left, I really did. 64 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: But we got it done. And you know it's on tomorrow. 65 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: So that's the thirteenth. Wednesday, the thirteenth, which is tomorrow, 66 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: you can watch me on Family Feud. I believe it's 67 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: on ABC. I'm pretty sure, but I'm not positive. But 68 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to post about it because frankly, I've 69 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: done enough damage. Also, Clay's school picture came in and 70 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: they are very adorable and actually looked at the camera, 71 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: which is a huge plus, eye contact not being the 72 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: favorite thing of theirs. Well, we have a great show 73 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: for you today, We really do. My conversation is with 74 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: annoyed Lemon. Now you're gonna say, who's annoyed Lemon? Well, TikTok. 75 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: About a year ago I stumbled upon annoyed lemon, literally 76 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: a lemon floating in space with big eyes, big lips, 77 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: and I was immediately hooked. She's opinionated, she's funny, she's 78 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: a great reviewer of books and biographies, and specially memoirs. Lemon, 79 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: as she said I could call her, has one hundred 80 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: and forty thousand followers and talks about everything from everything, 81 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: her antics in the world, here being you know, a 82 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 1: mom and having her own quirky Italian mother Mama Lemon 83 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: as she calls her. She makes me laugh out loud. 84 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Plus you know, she's a really good person. She really is, 85 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: and I had a fun chat with her, and I 86 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it. Here we go. It's me and 87 00:05:53,600 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: from TikTok, my buddy Annoyed Lemon. Hello, Annoyed Lemon. 88 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: Hello. Oh, I am so good. Thank you so much 89 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: for having me on. 90 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: First of all, I love your TikTok page. I don't 91 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: know what do you call it, your, your account, your 92 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: I don't know it now, I don't know. I don't either. 93 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing. 94 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: What everyone should know is all you get on the 95 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: visual is a lemon with eyes and a mouse. Yes, Now, 96 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: explain to me how and why you came up with 97 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: this idea. 98 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: So I only started it in January of this year, 99 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: so it hasn't been long. And it was really because 100 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about stuff and not have my family. 101 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: See interesting because I used to have a Facebook and 102 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: an Instagram personal right forever who doesn't, And I would 103 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: talk about stuff and like I would go to a 104 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: family function and they'd be like. 105 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sew on you one Facebook talking about this, 106 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: and I'm like, They're like, what do you think you 107 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: beast on talking about? And I was like, you know what, 108 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: I hate all of you. I don't really, but you know, 109 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: and I said, I'm gonna make a Well. What really 110 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: sparked it was Prince Harry's memoir came out and I 111 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: liked it so much, and. 112 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: There was and you know what, so did I, and 113 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: so much. 114 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: Controversy around it, and so much on TikTok. People weren't 115 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: get they didn't have all the context. And so my 116 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: first TikTok was like stitching someone saying it's a celebrity. 117 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. I stitched somebody who wasn't getting it right, 118 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: and I let him know. 119 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: Tell me who. 120 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: Was it, Miss Bethne Frank. 121 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: Well, oh yeah, and she was amazing, say about. 122 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: I was was She was just making fun of the 123 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: title and she's like, oh, how what a stupid title? 124 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: And I stitched and said it actually he's and called 125 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: that since birth, by his father, by his grandmother, the queen, 126 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: by even his mother, right, and you know, and then 127 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: I got my first TikTok ever and it got all 128 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: these views, and so I just continued answering the questions 129 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: for people that's in and then that's and that's really 130 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: what it was. 131 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: And so is it because you happen to be listening 132 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: to the Spare Book because I know you like all 133 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: your books on audio. Yes, And I actually read or 134 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: listened to the Spare Book because of what you had 135 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: been saying about it. So then I'm like, I'm going 136 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: to listen to this now I have to tell you 137 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: the truth, Lemon, And can I just call you? Yes? 138 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: Please? Thank you? 139 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So Lemon, I put on the audio books and 140 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: I fall asleep. I can't help myself, Like I'm the 141 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: kind of person if I'm reading the book book, I 142 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: will stay up really until three or four in the 143 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: morning because I can't stop. 144 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: Right. 145 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: But when like Harry with that accent, with this I loved, 146 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, and he was talking to me, I was like, 147 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: good night, you know. So I had to only listen 148 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: to it in the day or in the call. 149 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: Everyone's different, right, I can't do the book. I fall 150 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: asleep from the book, no kidding. So I loved hearing 151 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: his voice. 152 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I thought his voice was so beautiful. 153 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, and I know that when people 154 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: write big, fat, thick books like that that are exceptionally 155 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: and beautifully written, they normally have someone help. But I 156 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: don't care, because everyone does it. 157 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a very good ghostwriter. I actually read 158 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: an article in the New York Times, his ghostwriter, and 159 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: I forget about him right now his name, talking about 160 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: his experience being Harry's ghostwriter. And it was a beautiful 161 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: article about what it means to be a ghostwriter. And 162 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: I appreciated that too, because I never really you never 163 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: really hear from the ghostwriters, you know, so yeah, no, ever, 164 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: it was nice. And that's so that's what really made 165 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: me make a TikTok. And I didn't expect it to 166 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: really well. So I started TikTok with those lemon filter 167 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: because I didn't want my family just being jerks to me, 168 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: because that's you know, they bust me chops all the time. 169 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: I thought it had to do with work, Honestly. 170 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: To work. 171 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: I thought that you were at some job and you 172 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: thought that you were going to get in trouble. 173 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: Well, and so you came up with this lemon store 174 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: about I did have a part time job. I was 175 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: working with a liquor rap at the time. When I started, 176 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: it was a friend, so that's part of it too. 177 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: And I cursed a lot and. 178 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Stuff like that. 179 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: And then my husband's the real professional one. Actually, my 180 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: husband knows you. And I'm going to try to talk 181 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: about this in a way that doesn't expose me. 182 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: Okay, you have it. 183 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: You have a foundation for kids on Broadway. 184 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, for kids in New York City. And one 185 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: of the things we do is we teach life lessons 186 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: through learning musical theater knowledge. 187 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: Many many years. You have a big gala, I won't 188 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: say we're in the city. You did for New York. Yes, 189 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: he cooked for it every year. Oh so I don't 190 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: think he really met you. 191 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: But when I well, I always go in the kitchen 192 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: and thank everybody. I always, yes, you know, walk through 193 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: when I do that event. 194 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: You didn't meet him one on one, but he said 195 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: when I told him what I was doing, He's like, oh, yeah, 196 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: I cooked for hang with her. 197 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: I hang with her once a year. I made her 198 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: a fileg so excellent. How long have you been married? 199 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking, are these lemon secrets 200 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: or can I? Okay? 201 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: Nine years? My daughter's nine, so we got married when 202 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: she was three months old. 203 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: Excellent? And other children are just one? 204 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: Just one? 205 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: That's great? And what great is that? Now she's in fourth, fourth, 206 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: because my little one is in fifth okay, and next 207 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: year starts the middle school out here at six seven 208 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: eight terrifying. 209 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, already I'm scared about it, to believe. Yeah, 210 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: it's a difference. 211 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: They start looking like teenagers right in front of you, 212 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: and yeah, you know, know what to do, and all 213 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden they isolate in their room and we'll 214 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: be right back with more lemon after this, you know. 215 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: So you are the first person I've ever interviewed that 216 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: I have no idea what their name is. I know, 217 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: is so weird. It is kind of fun. 218 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: I didn't kind of fun in a way, and then 219 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: now it's like a thing. You know. At first, people 220 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: wanted to know, why do you hide your feet? You 221 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: must be you're Rachel McAdams. You're I get that a lot. 222 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, sure, I am can you can confirm 223 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: I'm nobody nobody, and. 224 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: You're a beautiful young woman who's very smart and very 225 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: funny and loves to listen to memoirs. I really do, 226 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about some memoirs in a minute. 227 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think I just think that you're 228 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: very compelling. And I have to say, it's not easy 229 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: to be compelling when you're a lemon with just eyes 230 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: and memory. I know, you know what, But I just 231 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: do work. 232 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: I talk to people like I talk to my family 233 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: or my friends. And I love that I'm talking to 234 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: people that I don't know. I'm so much more comfortable 235 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: talking to people that I don't know. But I couldn't 236 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: do this on my well, I don't even have personal 237 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: Facebook anymore because I'm on Facebook. But I couldn't do 238 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: what I do on TikTok on my personal Facebook page 239 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: to my friends and family. I would be embarrassed. Isn't 240 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: that weird? 241 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: That's so funny? 242 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be too. 243 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: Although I will say, do you ever see the little 244 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: character I do on my thing myrtle? Yes, where I 245 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, put on the face thing. Yes, you know, 246 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I feel when I'm doing myrtle that it's not me, 247 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: and I can say. 248 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: Well, when I do, when I do annoyed lemon, I 249 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: feel the same way because I can get sassy or 250 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: if I get pissed off or something is silly or whatever, 251 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: I might not normally imp Well, No, I still curse 252 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: a lot in person, but it's more I do the 253 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: same thing, but I am the best at it. My 254 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: husband is this is the next. But my mother is 255 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: the worst. My mother's mouth. There's one TikTok I made 256 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: where I recorded her. My followers, if they hear this, 257 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: they'll know which one. And it's hysterical because she is 258 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: one hundred percent Italian from Hoboken, New Jersey, right, so, 259 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: and I grew up with that, and so when we 260 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: go there and visit with her, it's just I have 261 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: to be like, MA, like tone it down. 262 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: With the cursing, all the fucking like not just not 263 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: just the fuck. 264 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: But it's like, we'll get this twat over here. I'm like, MA, 265 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: I know my daughter doesn't even know what that is, 266 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: but it's like, oh I can't. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, yeah, 267 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: that's where I get it from. 268 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: She's but I'm not that bid It's funny when my 269 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: daughter once we were it was very hard in New 270 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: York City to do the drop off. Now, I had 271 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: this driver for a while and he was laid a lot, 272 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and he was and so I go to get her 273 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: in the car and they shush him away and he 274 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: has to go all the way around the block in 275 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: New York City and we're standing and it's so late 276 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: that the teacher is there. When the car pulled away, apparently, 277 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I said, God, damn it, Jimmy. Yeah, And so then 278 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: we're waiting. She's three or four years old, a pre 279 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: k or whatever, and the teacher says, who are you 280 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: waiting for it? She says, God damn it, I'm waiting 281 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: for Jimmy. And I was so horrified. You know, what 282 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: are those parent moments when you just I know, I know? Yeah, 283 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: can I ask you? Did you you always have a 284 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: love of reading or listening to books. When did you 285 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: first get into the audiobook memoir scene? So I'm always interested. 286 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always loved podcasts and audiobooks. Really, when I 287 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: became a mom, doing everything I gotta do while listening 288 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: to something, I have to always have the TV on. 289 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: Something has to be on. I can't have silence. It's 290 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: very unnerving for me. So that's how it started. And 291 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: then over COVID was when I just was like every day, 292 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: every day listening to a book, finishing a book, listening 293 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: to a podcast, And that's where it really started. 294 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and where your choice always were memoirs And was 295 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: it always celebrity memoirs or any memoir. 296 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: I first was never a memoir. And then this is 297 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: going to sound crazy for me to say it. I 298 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: listened to Jessica Simpson's memoir, which came out right as 299 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: COVID was happening, I think, or right before February twenty 300 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: twenty something like that, and it was so good and 301 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: I was shocked, wow wow. And I that's when I 302 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: went on my personal Facebook pages, tell my friends and 303 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: family like, oh, you got to watch JESSK. Simpsons and 304 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, well, you know whatever. And then that's 305 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: I started, and I do Jessica's on my page because 306 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: it really is great. And then when I talk about 307 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: it on my TikTok account and other people like, oh, 308 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: you know Jessica's memoirs fire that memoir is great too, 309 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: And there's all these other people that also are into 310 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: memoirs like me, So I guess. 311 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: And did you did you read like the Glass Castle? 312 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: Remember that about the mom. It's about a news newswoman 313 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: who was driving to a black tie event and in 314 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: her limo she looks out and sees her mother in 315 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: the trash bend, homeless going through as she's on to them. 316 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: My goodness, it's a beautiful It was a beautiful book. 317 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: I remember, like, sometimes I read a memoir and I'm 318 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: unbelievably connected to the person that I try to make 319 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: contact with them through you know, TikTok. Now you can rough, 320 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: it's easier. Well, I was a child, you know, and 321 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: there was TikTok access. I never would have went to school. 322 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: Now it's manned. 323 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: But I read on my page and we talked about it. 324 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: I hope I pronounced his name right, Michael Checki as 325 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 2: Alina his memoirs called Your Tables Ready, and it's all 326 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: about being a mad or d and coming up in 327 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: the food and beverage industry in New York City in 328 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: like the biggest and best places where all the celebrities 329 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: go or when in the eighties and nineties and early 330 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: two thousands, it is one of the best memoirs ever, 331 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: and I talked about it, and my followers to this 332 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: day will say, that's the best memoir you've gone over. 333 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: And then he reached out to me that I don't 334 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 2: even know how he you know, and I was It 335 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: really meant a lot to him because he was getting 336 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: older in years and he couldn't continue food and beverage 337 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: is tough. 338 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, yeah, tap on your body. 339 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: And he got to an age where he's like, I 340 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: can't do it anymore. And his kids were like, why 341 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: don't you write a book, dad? And so he did 342 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: and it's fantastic. 343 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: So, well, you'll have to tell me the name of us. 344 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: Send that to me. 345 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: Your table's ready, It's called. 346 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: Your table is ready. Okay, Laurie, write that down. I'd 347 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: love to read that. I can't get enough of memoirs. Now, 348 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: did you? I know you? Did? You? You went through 349 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: the Jada Pickett book? What'd you think? 350 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 4: Well? 351 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: No, I didn't finish it yet. 352 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Oh you didn't finish it? 353 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 5: No? 354 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: Did you? 355 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: I started it? 356 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: As I started, I didn't finish you know. 357 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: It was weird. I felt like we wouldn't be friends. Oh, 358 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: so it was hard for me to kind of like 359 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I couldn't get my way to seeing 360 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: it without the frame that I have already around. 361 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: That's really hard. Sometimes there are some that I read 362 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't like this person too much, 363 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: and I try to keep an unbiased opinion, and when 364 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: I go over it on my page, I try to 365 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: I'm always respectful. I'm never like this, never. I don't 366 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 2: allow my followers to do that if they don't like something. 367 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes there's some 368 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not. 369 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: Saying yeah, And it's not like she would want to 370 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: be It's not like an insul necessarily. It's just I 371 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: felt like I couldn't kind of get in there. I 372 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: don't know. 373 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: And that happens sometimes too. And then there's times when 374 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: you read one and you're like blown away by and 375 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: you and then forever have Like for me Paris Hilton's memoirs. 376 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 2: It came out not that long ago. I will forever 377 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: rather respect for her. 378 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: For her, I agree, had I just hung out with her, 379 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: and you know, I just told her how how much 380 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: respect I have for her, and how honest and intelligent 381 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: and and gut wrenchingly personal the book was, and what 382 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: it has done to help pops who have been through 383 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: that horrific Let's let's kidnap your kids at night than this, 384 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: and she throws them in a wilderness program for two years. 385 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: I mean, they don't get to come for Christmas or summer. 386 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: Break that whole scene that she just describes, when she 387 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: was pulled out of the bed, she thought she was 388 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: being kidnapped in the middle of the night, dragged by 389 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: her feet, men, by grown men. She screaming, I was 390 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: I would I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. 391 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: I felt the same way. I thought that was really 392 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: Now I saw your annoyed lemon TikTok yesterday about the 393 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: barber streiss him forty eight hours listen now? Is that 394 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: the longest book you were ever trying to listen to? Yes? 395 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: Are now you gonna do it? Gonna three hours in? Okay? 396 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm gonna shore. 397 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: What do you think? Tell me so far? No? Those 398 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: are your notes. You got some strike saying, oh it's great. 399 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: The three hours I've listened to are great. But I'm 400 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: nervous because it's a lot, and I don't know how 401 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: to break it down for people. I don't you know, 402 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: but I will. It's really really good. 403 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 404 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: She does a very really great job as just describing 405 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: her childhood in Brooklyn when she was young, and the 406 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, her mother and her stepfather and and and 407 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: the restaurants and the bakeries and play you know, hanging 408 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: out on the stoop. And it's really great. I'm enjoying it. 409 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's for well, yes, I'm taking it over Christmas. 410 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: That's gonna be my thing over Christmas to read. 411 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: Did you get the actual physical book? They say, of 412 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: course I did. 413 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: Yes, it's it. It's like two Gideon Bibles, you know, 414 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: and one and but I you know, I have adored 415 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: her since I was born. Yeah, really yes, And and 416 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: I will consume anything that she puts her name to. 417 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I grew up with, you know, her music. 418 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: My mother every Saturday would clean to her music. My 419 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: mother would dress like her. I have, you know, I'm 420 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: half Italian, half Jewish like most people in the Northeast, 421 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 2: and so I have my whole father's side of the 422 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: family loves her. I mean, come on, you know, so 423 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: I'm excited to. 424 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: And I don't think there'll ever be another one like that, 425 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think that. It's so shocking to me 426 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: when you realize the younger generation isn't really familiar with 427 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: some of the defining performances of her life and career 428 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: to have been alive while she was in her prime. Yeah, 429 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: like it has been such a gift to me as 430 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: an entertainerist, you know, for somebody that you can go, well, well, 431 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: there is excellence right there. Yeah, And if you're going 432 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: to strive to do this at all, that's the level 433 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: of excellence's you know. 434 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: So I don't mind. I'll sit through the forty eight hours, girl, 435 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 2: I don't. 436 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: Mind, all right. Well, as I said, she would put 437 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: me to sleep, because I can't listen to a book 438 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: I do, I will need it. 439 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 2: I had to put it on no offense, Barbara. I 440 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: speed them up too, because I'm. 441 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: Like, oh, you do you do the double speed? 442 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: Sometimes I do two point zero, which is the fastest 443 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: you could go. Really, you know, I just did Matthew 444 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: Perry's Oh Oh my. 445 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: God, we were friends, me and Matthew. That was, you know, a. 446 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: Most hard breaking memoir I've ever read. 447 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: Oh, and how brave of him and how important and 448 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: how with the reality of his passing, and how wonderful 449 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: that he got to do it and define himself. It 450 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: was in his own terms, you know, at the. 451 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: Day of his funeral, it was a year ago almost 452 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: to that day. I think maybe by that he released 453 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: the memoir and I was like, oh jeez, you know, 454 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: but it's fantastic. And he did not use a ghostwriter. 455 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: Right, he's a very smart guy too, you know. 456 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: Most of them do which and there's nothing wrong with 457 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: that to use one, but he was so talented that 458 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: he didn't need one. And it was fantastic. 459 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, I've read it as well. I read it. 460 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: We started to get to know each other during COVID 461 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: because we were in a group chat together and it 462 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: lasted all three years and wow, up until you know, 463 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: the morning that he died, he posted in our group, 464 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: oh jeez, so about ten of us, twelve of us, 465 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and I just was so so sad, 466 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, fifty four and when I sit here at 467 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: sixty one and I think, you know, where was I 468 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: at fifty four? Did I have Dakota yet? Did I? 469 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: Like I was trying to imagine, you know, how long 470 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: we get. It's like it's anyone's guest, and life can change. 471 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: With a phone call. 472 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: You know, absolutely, But I'm I felt guilty because when 473 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: his passing was announced, I said, you know, okay, because 474 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: people were people tag me people can you know, on TikTok, 475 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: like with something that's relevant to you comes up, and 476 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: they were like, oh, can you do his memoir? Can 477 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: you do his memoir? And people had been asking me 478 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: to do it. I have a list and I try 479 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: to keep to it, but sometimes I can't. And so 480 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: I said, I came on and said I would do it. 481 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: But I did feel really guilty that I didn't get 482 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: to do it while he was here. But I'm glad 483 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: that I did it at all, because it's fantastic. 484 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: So I do think that he felt loved. Yeah. 485 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and his parents really amazing, came out with a 486 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: beautiful foundation for him. 487 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 5: Yes. 488 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, every big family is complicated. I I 489 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, assume it's a given right nobody gets out 490 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: on skate. But you know, he had this group of 491 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: friends and his best friend is like my sister out here, 492 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: Robin Roussanne, and uh, you know, she and he were 493 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: like besties and uh, you know, spin hard for her. Yeah, 494 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, but I just I just you know, it's 495 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: just it's sad. It's just sad. 496 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 2: I think that's the best thing when people ask me. 497 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: Sometimes on my page, you'll comment and be like, like, 498 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: why do you care about these celebrities? Now on TikTok celebrities, 499 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: you're probably one of. 500 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: The very few. 501 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're one of the very few that they love. 502 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 2: So sometimes I get that comment like who do you like? 503 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 2: Why you care? Why do you worship these people? And girl, 504 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: I don't worship them at all. I'm just I love 505 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: learning about people and a good story. I love it. 506 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I was going to when 507 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: they used to call me Yenta because like, I love 508 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: just knowing everything gossip. I just love it, you know. 509 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: And so if somebody has a life well lived and experience, 510 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 2: like please tell me, I want to hear about it. 511 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, well you will love the Glass. 512 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 2: Cast, Okay, good, I wrote it down, so won't be. 513 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: Able to put it to good. It's one of those 514 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: kind of books, you know. 515 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 4: Good. 516 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So on the whole, what do you think of 517 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: your TikTok experience? Do you think it's a it's a 518 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: thing that's added tremendously to your life. Do you consider 519 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 1: it a job. Do you think of doing content? Are 520 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: you in one of those ways you can get paid? 521 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: I've never figured out how. 522 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: To do that, but they have. Okay, So I have 523 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: days where I'm enthralled in it because something happens right 524 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 2: like unfortunately what happened with Matthew Perry, and then I'm like, 525 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 2: I'm reading his memoir and then I you know, I 526 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 2: read it or listen to it, and then I can't 527 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: stop talking about it, and I talk about so that 528 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: I have days when that happens. And then I have 529 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: days where I'm like, I gotta like push myself because 530 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: obviously I don't love social media because I don't even 531 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: show my face, so like I'm not interested in like, 532 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 2: oh this will look at me, you know right. 533 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: You know you're not interested in being famous. 534 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 2: For you now, which is probably stupid like some people 535 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: like my husband's like, you know, he wants me to 536 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 2: be more business minded about it, and it's hard for 537 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: me because I'm not motivated by that, which or by money, 538 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: which sounds like a cop out, but it's so true. 539 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: I just want to. 540 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: Talk to people about, you know whatever. And so there's 541 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: days where it seems like a job and I have 542 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: to like push through right, and then in between doing memoirs, 543 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: I just comment on silly stuff on TikTok or whatever. 544 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: And those are the moments that I feel like I 545 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: get to know people that follow me because I try 546 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: my best to comment as much as I can. You 547 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: reply to the comments, because I do have a following 548 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: of people. It just seems so silly to me at 549 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: times too. I'm almost like, in my real life, nobody 550 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: really knows what I do. My husband knows, my mother 551 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: kind of knows, though she doesn't understand TikTok. I've told my. 552 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: Brother lucky for you, Lucky for you. 553 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: She'd be commenting, oh God, I told my brother and 554 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, okay, Like he doesn't really I feel, 555 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: and so I feel silly about it sometimes because I 556 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: am a lemon on it. So it's like, what the 557 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: hell am I doing with this account I do have. 558 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: I am part of the Creativity Beta program. I don't 559 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: fully understand how it. 560 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: Works, nor do I I don't know. People keep saying, 561 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: are you monetizing your TikTok? I'm like, I just learned 562 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: how to do a stitch, so I'm not gonna be 563 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: monetizing anytime you're don't. I don't understand. You have to 564 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: do something and has to be over this amount of 565 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: it has to be people have to stay for sixty 566 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: seconds or something. And yes, and I don't know. 567 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: You can't do a stitch and you can't do a duet, 568 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 2: which I do them. So those videos you don't make 569 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 2: money on, then you can't do with it. It's a 570 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: lot of rules I don't know I have. I haven't 571 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 2: gotten rich. So if it you know, if anybody has 572 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: any tips. 573 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of. 574 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: So you know, I work part time. There's a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 575 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: I have a daughter, I have a big fat labrador. 576 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: So it's like I can't get enthralled in it too much. 577 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: Right, you have real life waiting well. 578 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: And then also when I make content, I make ten 579 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: minute long videos multiple parts, and so all I do 580 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: is make content on TikTok. I don't do a ton 581 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: of scrolling, so that keeps me from getting too wrapped 582 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: up in it. And also I think I see a 583 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: lot of other creators get a ton of hate. Yeah, 584 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: I don't get a ton of hate, and I think 585 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: it's because I don't shows. 586 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: I think that No, well, I don't think it's about that. 587 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: I think it's because you don't you know, you're not 588 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: mean spirited, You're fair in your assessments. 589 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sometimes mean if it's nothing about a memoir, 590 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: but other stuff. I've had a little couple times if 591 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: someone means me like I'll clap back at them. Yeah yeah, 592 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: but I can't really do that anymore too many times, Rosie, 593 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: because I get a lot of violations. 594 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've gotten some violations. 595 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: Told that, you know, if I get another woman, that's it, 596 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, my first every TikTok, I meete, I got 597 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: a violation on it. 598 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: Wow, because sometimes it's hard to tell. 599 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: Because I told miss Bethany Frankel that she was wrong 600 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: in her assessment of spare and I got a violation 601 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: and a block. 602 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: Wow, Now I know zero and that only had eighty 603 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: five negative zero. About Bethany Frankel, I never watched the 604 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: show when she was on it. The only ones I 605 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: saw were the Caroline Manzino in New Jersey. I could 606 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: relate to that family. Yeah, but I don't know it 607 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: really anything about Bethany Frankel. See and everyone met on 608 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: here has a horrible Bethany from eal story because tell 609 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: me yours. 610 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: So mine was I think, like I said, it was 611 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: my first ever TikTok. I think I even used the 612 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: voice over. I didn't even have my normal voices. I 613 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: didn't know what I was doing. And I just said, 614 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: you know, you're wrong in his making fun of the 615 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: title of the book, because he was actually cooled this 616 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: right right, I might have said, like, you know, you know, you. 617 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: Don't have an. 618 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: Has to be an asshole about it. The man's heart 619 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: out something to that effect. Community guideline violation. Well, first, 620 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: the video took off. My first videos got like thirty 621 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: thousand views, and I'm like, what in the hell is 622 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: this because I'm used to Instagram where nobody sees anything 623 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: you do. And then I'm like, well, I don't know 624 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: if I like this because this is a lot. It's 625 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: a lot of engagement and I was never, you know, 626 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: used to that on social media. And then boom, I 627 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: get the notice violation harassing and bulling a celebrity, and 628 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, what did I do? 629 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: Harassing and bull a celebrity is a special, a special category. 630 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: And I thought, well, you know, it's funny when I 631 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: report somebody like who's maybe pretending to be me and 632 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: getting people to give them money. It's so sad, you know, 633 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: and I and I write you know this, this is crazy. 634 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: Why you doing this? And people kind of go after them. 635 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah for me, yeah, which is kind of good. 636 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: You know, maybe that is what happens. But all I 637 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: know is I got the violation and then I got 638 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: a block. So I don't know if it's from the 639 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: team that does her stuff or her personally. 640 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, any celebrity who tells you 641 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: that their team does their TikTok or their Instagram, they're lying, Well, okay, 642 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: thank you. I know, the biggest celebrities in the world, 643 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: just like you and me, are sitting home doing that. 644 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: That's what everybody saw it. 645 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: But it's the truth. 646 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 647 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know one person. I think Mark Ruffalo 648 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: has because he does so many wonderful causes that he 649 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 1: has someone kind of orchestrated his postings and whatnot, always 650 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: because of a cause that he's sporting, right, you know, 651 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: I admire him so much, not just as an actor, 652 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: but as a man. He's a wonderful, wonderful man. 653 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: Well yeah, so that was you know, and. 654 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: That was your Bethany it didn't go any further than that. 655 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: She didn't try to get it. I mean I was 656 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: cease and desist or anything. 657 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 2: People ask me that all the time now because I 658 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 2: wasn't going for anything personal. 659 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: I was just like talking about but what do you 660 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: do with like big things like the war and Israel 661 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: and Gaza? So what do you do? Do you just ignore? 662 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: Or like okay? 663 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 2: And I tried to come from and whenever I speak 664 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 2: about something on my TikTok and my followers know this, 665 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: it's coming from a personal experience place. I'm not just 666 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: going to talk out my ass like I know when 667 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 2: I'm talking about like so many people on TikTok do 668 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 2: and they don't know what they're they don't know what 669 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: they're talking about half the time. So I'm half Jewish, 670 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: half Italian. I wasn't raised Jewish religiously. My father's on 671 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 2: the Jewish side, so I was raised Catholic by my mother. 672 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: But I go to I went to all the things, 673 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: all my cousins, bot mitzs bar Mitz was Hanikkah's passover 674 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: staate ors whatever. So I have more of an understanding 675 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: than the average person, right, So I took it from 676 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: a place of this is what I know from what 677 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 2: my personal experience. But also that doesn't mean I support 678 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: something wholeheartedly one hundred percent. And so I tried to 679 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 2: do both sides. Not both sides, but like just what 680 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: I personally feel. It's a mess that I of turmoil 681 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 2: I go through every day. I talk it about it 682 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: a little bit. And then I thought, I can't do 683 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 2: this anymore because then you get crazy, wacky comments. And 684 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: I just said that said, you know what, I'm not 685 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 2: an expert in this field. All I know is what 686 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: I personally, and I watch the ones that are the 687 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 2: experts or that know more than me. I'm not on 688 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: here for people to hear my you know, people know, 689 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 2: but that's it. Let's move let me do you know. 690 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: That's when I was supposed to do Jada's book, and 691 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 2: that's why I completely. 692 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: So that's what happened. Yes, it's Scott, I couldn't focus. 693 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 1: Yes it was Yes, I can imagine. Well listen, Annoyed Lemon. 694 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: I find you delightful. I really enjoy your TikTok, and 695 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: I want everybody to go on Annoyed Lemon, follow her 696 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: and just enjoy all of her memoir reviews. Which are fantastic, 697 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: and all of her little life lessons along the way. Thanks, 698 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: including Bethany Frankel you gave her. 699 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: One or Bethany. I really don't hate you, Bethany. 700 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: It's just you know, no, and I don't even really 701 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: know you. And I'll read it, write a new one, 702 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: write a new one. That's right. I think she has seven. 703 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Well, you've been great, and thank you 704 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: for being here. 705 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Rosie. 706 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: I appreciate you did a great job. 707 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 2: I'm proudy, thank you, thank you, Bye bye. 708 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: Stick around and we'll be back with questions from you 709 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: our wonderful listeners. How fabulous is that annoyed Lemon? Smart 710 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: and funny? And I want to thank her for doing 711 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: my podcast. Okay, we've got two questions, and the first 712 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: one is from someone named Nate. Hit it. Nate, Hi, Rosie, 713 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: this is Nate. First. 714 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 5: I just want to say, like everyone, you have had 715 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 5: such an incredible impact on my life. I want to 716 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 5: thank you so so so much. I grew up watching 717 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 5: your show after school. I've always always been drawn to 718 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 5: you and all of the projects that you have been 719 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 5: a part of, and you know, I think it's so 720 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 5: amazing that so many little gay kids like me were 721 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 5: able to see you even when you weren't out to 722 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 5: be able to have you on our screens. There was 723 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 5: something that was clearly a kindred spirit, you know, and 724 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 5: so even before I knew I was gay, I knew 725 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 5: you were safe. 726 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: So thank you for that. 727 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 5: I also had the privilege of meeting you outside the 728 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 5: Kennedy Center after your performance in The Music Man, which 729 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 5: was amazing, and was able to talk to you at 730 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 5: the stage door, which is so so cool, and you 731 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 5: were just lovely and took time to talk to all 732 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 5: of us, which was so amazing. My question is about 733 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 5: estranged relationships. I've been a strange for my parents for 734 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 5: you know, over a decade, almost eleven or twelve years. 735 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 5: I'm thirty seven, so that's a big chunk of my 736 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 5: adult life. And of course that's been hard on everyone 737 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 5: and sad for a lot of reasons, and at different 738 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 5: times really really hard. But on the whole, I think 739 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 5: it's actually been good for me. I think the distance 740 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 5: was necessary, and I think it helped create healthier, safer 741 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 5: boundaries for me. However, my parents are getting older now 742 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 5: and having health issues, and I'm starting to reevaluate that. 743 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: But it's scary. 744 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 5: It's scary to think about reopening doors that were so 745 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 5: hard to close and that we're closed for important, necessary reasons. 746 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 5: I have one sister who is older, and she has 747 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 5: remained in touch with our parents, and she's taking care 748 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,919 Speaker 5: of them in some ways now, and so I've been 749 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 5: contributing by giving her money. And I feel like that's 750 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 5: a way that I can help and also help my sister, 751 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 5: but still have that boundary for my relationship with my 752 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 5: parents and not wanting to cross that line yet. But 753 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 5: I wonder what advice you might have. I know, you 754 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 5: know you're a parent, but also as a kid, you've experienced, 755 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 5: you know some things that I have too, And so 756 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 5: I just wonder how you would recommend going about this 757 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 5: kind of reevaluating of that estrangement. 758 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: I know it's a. 759 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 5: Very common thing for people who maybe don't understand to say, listen, 760 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 5: you only get one mom, you only get one dad, 761 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 5: Or when they're gone, you'll feel guilty or you'll wish 762 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 5: that you would have fixed things. 763 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: And you know that is a kind of guilt that. 764 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 5: You know isn't always true and doesn't always isn't always helpful. 765 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 5: To someone who's gone through a really you know, unhealthy relationship, 766 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 5: and so part of me really does not want to 767 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 5: reopen doors. And in the time we've been apart, my 768 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 5: dad has actually really become a strong Trump supporter and 769 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 5: is very against you know, my queer identity, but also 770 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 5: just all the values I have basically, and so it's 771 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 5: also hard to like reopen something who you know, this 772 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 5: man is someone that I would not want in my life, 773 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 5: otherwise would not be friends with. 774 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: We don't have the same values. 775 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 5: And yet I do feel this kind of guilt and 776 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 5: I feel pressure from you know, everywhere that I should 777 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 5: be making amends with him. It might be easier with 778 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 5: my mom. They're divorced and so they live separately, but 779 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 5: they're both aging and both having health issues, and so 780 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 5: I feel like it's time to reconsider this relationship. But 781 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 5: it's scary, and so I would love to hear your thoughts. 782 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 5: Thank you for always being a part of my life 783 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 5: and for all you do. 784 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: Thank you you're the sweetest. There's such a beautiful, beautiful message, 785 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: and thank you for all the thought and details that 786 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: you put in there. You know, I can only talk 787 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: about my own experience and and you know, I was 788 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: estranged from my dad for boy, I would guess over 789 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: twenty years, and when he was sick and dying. You know, 790 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: my two older brothers there are five children. My two 791 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: older brothers went to see him, and you know then 792 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: it went to the funeral, but myself, my sister, and 793 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 1: my younger brother did not. And you know, I will 794 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: say that a lot of people told me that I 795 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 1: would regret it, that I would regret it once he passed, 796 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't regret it. I felt the 797 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: same feelings that you are feeling. First of all, when 798 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: you said safe, where you needed to get someplace safe. 799 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: You know, if you have found a way to safety 800 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: after a childhood like ours, you've done an incredible thing 801 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: for yourself and for those who you love. You know, 802 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: I I don't regret it. Although I sometimes think of 803 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: my father now that I'm sixty one. I saw him 804 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: one time since my children were born, which was twenty 805 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: eight years ago, but he never met my children. He 806 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: never saw my children. I kept them separate, and I 807 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: don't regret that at all. You know, if your mom 808 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: and dad are separate, if you can find any way 809 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: in your heart to reach out to your mom, maybe 810 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: through a letter, you know, maybe just you know, I'm 811 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: thinking of you, and I know it's been a long time, 812 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: and I know my sister is there helping, and I've 813 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: tried to help in the ways I can, and I 814 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: just wanted to touch base and then leave it in 815 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: her corner, you know. But you don't have to have 816 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: any relationship that doesn't serve you now, because you're a 817 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: thirty seven year old adult man, and you sound very 818 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: loving and very kind, and you know you're allowed to 819 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: take care of yourself. Nate. Thank you for saying that 820 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: I was there for you even when I was not out. 821 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: You had a sense. And I love that when people 822 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: your age come over to me and say, you know, 823 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: I didn't even know I was gay, but I knew 824 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: there was something about you that I connected to, And 825 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, it just makes me so happy, it really does. 826 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: And it makes me feel like there was a bigger 827 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: purpose to that show and to that job, and you 828 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: are the result of that. And I thank you, Nate 829 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: for writing me, for coming to see me, and for 830 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: being kind afterwards and still now. So happy holidays, my friend. 831 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 1: Do your best and don't beat yourself up, because keep 832 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: your life safe and grounded in the reality you've created 833 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: for the last decade. And you know some doors are 834 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: meant to stay shut. All right. That was heavy, but 835 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: that was good. And we got one more coming in. 836 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: Who we got this one? I think it's Mary hit 837 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: It Mary. 838 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,280 Speaker 4: Hello, Rosie Mary from Ottawa Here. I'm also a sixty 839 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 4: two baby, fourth of five kids, same cultural references, but 840 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 4: without the family drama. 841 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 2: Anyway. 842 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,240 Speaker 4: I used to listen to your show all the time 843 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 4: and called in many times on the phone line because 844 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 4: I too was adopting a bunch of kids while you were, 845 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 4: and you were my lifeline at that time, and I thank. 846 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: You so much. 847 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 4: So I just listened to your interview with Angela Tucker 848 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 4: and there was a discussion of kids needing to see 849 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 4: themselves in somebody else. My four children have the same 850 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 4: birth mother, however, they all have different birth fathers, and 851 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 4: none of them could care less if they saw each 852 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 4: other in themselves. I'm wondering if your kids feel the 853 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 4: same way as Angela seemed to feel, and if any 854 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 4: of them have birth siblings, if they've met them, and 855 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 4: if that helped them at all. Thanks for the podcast. 856 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 4: I'm enjoying it. 857 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 5: A lot. 858 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 1: Thanks Byte, Thank you Mary, thanks and thanks for listening 859 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: to that Angela Tucker interview. So often, as you know, 860 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: people who place babies for adoption are in crisis, and 861 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: sometimes those crises don't ever get healed, and they remain 862 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: consistent even after the twenty years or eighteen years pass. 863 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,280 Speaker 1: So I don't think my children feel that way. We've 864 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: discussed it a lot, and so I think it's individual 865 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: with each child. You know, some of my kids don't 866 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 1: really have very much interest, or they might have looked 867 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: up or did an internet search and an email, but 868 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: so far that's not now. I have always said I 869 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 1: would be more than happy to help you find your 870 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: birth family if you want, at any time when you're 871 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 1: an adult over eighteen, and they know that I'm open 872 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: to it. They know that I have volunteered to take 873 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: them and wait in the car, and like, I will 874 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: do whatever it is that will will soothe or ease 875 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: whatever angst they have. But they don't seem to have 876 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: very much adoption trauma, so who knows. But read the book. 877 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,399 Speaker 1: It's very fascinating, and I hope that you and your 878 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,359 Speaker 1: children have a wonderful holiday season and that they know 879 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: that love makes a family, not blood, you know, or 880 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: not only blood. How about that? Thank you, Mary, Thank 881 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: you so much. I love hearing from all of you people, 882 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: and it's so hard with the time constraints here that 883 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: we're only able to get like one or two in 884 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: each episode. But our first show back after the holiday 885 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: break will be me answering just your questions and comments 886 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: from all of you. We're going to do a whole 887 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: hour of that old ones, new ones. How many we 888 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,399 Speaker 1: can fit in one show, that's the goal, So send 889 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: your voice memos to Onward Rosie at gmail dot com. 890 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: But before we have the hiatus, we have one more 891 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,800 Speaker 1: fabulous episode with my very close friend of thirty years, 892 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: the incredibly talented Sam Harris. Sam was the grand champion 893 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: of Star Search and that's where it all started in 894 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,959 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three. Then on to Broadway. We did Grease together, 895 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: and he did so many Broadway shows. He's won so 896 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: many awards, records and books. He's an amazing author. Just 897 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: wrote the screenplay of his latest book that we're going 898 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: to talk all about, which I loved, absolutely loved, and 899 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: you should get that for the holiday season. So that's 900 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: next week with Sam Harris, on onward with Rosie O'Donnell. Hey, 901 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: it's still Hanukah, so a happy, healthy and peaceful one 902 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: to everybody, especially all those in the mid East. May 903 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: peace prevail next year, please God, thank you. Have a wonderful, 904 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: wonderful week. We'll see you next time. Peace out.