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Speaker 5: you hit the horse track.

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Speaker 4: He does look like a hort That nieces.

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Speaker 5: Levar's talk just jumped up on his lap.

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Speaker 4: My god, he's as big as Boss hul Ah.

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Speaker 5: That's not get carried.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, say, don't get carried. We'll never let you have that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah bad? What was I think? On another level? He's

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Speaker 5: No, is he? By the way, is he gonna get bigger?

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Speaker 4: He's going to get heavier. He's still a pup. He's

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Speaker 4: only two. That's a huge bitch.

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Speaker 5: He is a huge bitch.

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Speaker 4: Whoa hold on, now, he's not a girl.

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Speaker 5: Now that being said, he's a sigre. Brady Quinn's going

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Speaker 5: to go ahead and take center stage here, let's do it.

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Speaker 5: I'm really confused. It's exactly what's going on here. Ross

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Speaker 5: Dellinger of Yahoo reported this yesterday that the SEC and

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Speaker 5: the Big Ten are distributing to congressional lawmakers this week

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Speaker 5: a white paper taking aim at those arguing for the

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Speaker 5: consolidation of meteorites, specifically targeting Cody Campbell's quote saving college

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Speaker 5: sports movement. All right, for us, Nimrod's out there, Brady Quinn,

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Speaker 5: please explain.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the simplest way to put this is, Cody Campbell

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Speaker 6: believes that by pulling all I believe it's one hundred

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Speaker 6: and thirty six FBS football programs together, or I should say,

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Speaker 6: it's really not football programs, even though football has pushed

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Speaker 6: us to this point, it's all college athletics programs. By

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Speaker 6: pulling them all together, all one hundred and thirty six,

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Speaker 6: he believes that they will be able to create greater

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Speaker 6: revenue for all the sports programs at those schools. As

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Speaker 6: obviously as we're seeing, there's a lot of schools that

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Speaker 6: put on. The most schools have, you know, somewhere in

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Speaker 4: With Disney and Fox, that.

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Speaker 3: You would be able to create more money and better opportunity.

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Speaker 6: And obviously the Big ten and the SEC have put

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Speaker 6: Media rights and those schools, And I think it's hard

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Speaker 6: So if we're really being honest, if those schools themselves

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Speaker 4: Away and did their own TV media rights deals.

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Speaker 6: Maybe not now, but some point in the future, they

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Speaker 4: Are a part of those conferences because they have been

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Speaker 6: Viewed as at least if they were able to get

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Speaker 6: People feel like there would be it'd be easier to

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Speaker 4: So that's what's at odds here is.

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Speaker 6: Is Cody Campbell's trying to make an effort to just

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Speaker 6: SEC are like, hey, we're good, Like, we're good with

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Speaker 3: We don't need to.

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Speaker 6: Bring in this other idea outside to take away from what.

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Speaker 4: We're already building and where we're going.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess for me, I'm curious as to who

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Speaker 6: He's a super wealthy as a billionaire that has essentially

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Speaker 6: funded the Texas Tech a football program. That's where the

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Speaker 1: Now, I guess because I want I want it in

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Speaker 1: it and clearing it. And he's basically saying, break away

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Speaker 4: Do your own. I mean no, no, no, not do your own.

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Speaker 3: It would just all be all under one umbrella.

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Speaker 6: So all one hundred and thirty six schools would negotiate,

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Speaker 6: which and then again that's where it gets kind of

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Speaker 6: difficult is they would all be negotiating together for one massive.

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Speaker 4: Deal mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: And then what split it by popularity, split it by merits?

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Speaker 6: How are they and that I'm not privy to those

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Speaker 6: exact details of what he's pushing for, but that's in

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Speaker 6: would assume there'd be some sort of you know, waterfall

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Speaker 6: saying that is that's what goes goes to the side

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Speaker 6: of the SEC in Big ten. It's like, well, we're

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Speaker 6: already there, you know, And especially if you look at

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Speaker 6: some of these conferences, some of the schools get, you know,

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Speaker 6: a bigger cut from the media right steal or for

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Speaker 6: example Miami, the ACC didn't make them split what they

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Speaker 3: They kept all of the money they earned as they

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Speaker 4: Mhm. I find it to be.

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Speaker 1: It's it's an interesting conversation because these schools are going

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Speaker 1: into tremendous debt, like this is I don't know, you

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Speaker 4: We decided to do a major upgrade.

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Speaker 1: Thus the reason why there's so much debt connected to

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Speaker 1: what we got going on. But you'd have to assume

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Speaker 1: off that debt. I mean, most people would say having

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Speaker 1: We're state school. Yeah, you're a nonprofit, yeah, but we're Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I feel as though, you know, carrying debt, there's

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And they've also always carried a certain amount of debt.

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Speaker 6: I mean, so here's here's like a breaking point. This

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Speaker 6: is another example that the SEC and the Big Ten

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Speaker 6: made in their white paper was in nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 4: There was a US Supreme Court decision.

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Speaker 3: It was the NCAA versus the Board of Regents.

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Speaker 6: And because essentially those media rights were exactly what Cody

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Speaker 6: allowed then after this decision, conferences and schools to negotiate

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Speaker 5: What's the likelihood this happens, that Cody Campbell's idea and

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Speaker 4: Well, my I can I'm not. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: So there's all sorts of layers to this. I don't

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Speaker 1: Do we know his angle? What's his angle? Like, Well,

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Speaker 4: Why why do this for everything?

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe it is.

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Speaker 6: Maybe he's got enough money and he's been able to

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Speaker 6: But I think he looks at it as a whole

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Speaker 4: And then this is his idea of it.

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Speaker 6: And again he's wealthy enough and successful enough to be

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Speaker 1: It's always about the bottom line. Yeah, it's always about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that would get results right right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, best of luck with that. I just you

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Speaker 5: let's say we're not that far away from from getting

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Speaker 4: Right about that?

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Speaker 5: Huh? You know, how about like world's collide there?

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Speaker 4: Also, we're gonna we're gonna do road trip. We're gonna

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Speaker 5: Man, we shall see. It's a fun draft, by the way,

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Speaker 5: do you see. Penn Live reported that, uh, the Steelers

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Speaker 4: What do you think you'd get drafted? Q? What round?

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Speaker 6: I don't know where his health is at like how

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Speaker 4: Mid later rounds, you know, because he's not going to

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's got a strong arm. I don't know

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean again, again, I have no idea his medical

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Speaker 6: they'll keep three. But if you can't be healthy and

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Speaker 6: how are you really helping him out?

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Speaker 5: I mean, if he plays his cards right, he might

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Speaker 4: We do, you know? And that's always never that's never

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Speaker 5: What do you mean? Who was the not Tremaine Edmunds

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Speaker 5: of the other guy? Uh? Who's his brother?

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Speaker 4: I think you put.

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Speaker 5: It was his brother? Yeah, I Hadrell Edmunds in my

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Speaker 4: I got both brothers, did, didn't they? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I got him drafted.

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Speaker 4: They're both still in the league too, aren't they. Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Jonah sideam in the bottom of ten of the draft.

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Speaker 3: Actually, Chicago Bears, who do you have of the seventh round?

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Speaker 3: Or you're really close on that? You almost hit like

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Speaker 5: To Yeah, God, I gotta look that up.

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Speaker 4: Damn it?

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Speaker 5: Who was it?

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Speaker 3: I was looking wide receiver?

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Speaker 4: It might have been.

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Speaker 4: Now you think of recent this is like probably three

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Speaker 5: Now we're telling you this past year. Let me look

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Speaker 4: Quick, Joe.

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Speaker 6: Which is, by the way, buy a lot of ticket

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Speaker 6: next time, Jonas, because if you hit dead on bottom

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Speaker 3: Obviously the player availability.

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Speaker 6: Which we were pointing out, is there too, but that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I had Efton Chisholm the third Uh he

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Speaker 6: No, you had a guy who got drafted in the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking. Let's see. Let's see here. Oh, I

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Speaker 5: He went number two fifty four to the Saints. I

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Speaker 5: I spent way too much time looking at uh, looking

442
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Speaker 5: into that stuff.

443
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Speaker 3: But it's oh yeah, Vard showed us consults Bucky.

444
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Speaker 5: Brooks too, like he'll have and that's a do not lie,

445
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Speaker 5: do not lie on live ready that that Okay, Now,

446
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 5: when when it first started, I may have gotten some

447
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,719
Speaker 5: feedback from Bucky when it when it first started, okay,

448
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Speaker 5: But since then, uh, you know, we're like two ships

449
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Speaker 5: passing in the night. We don't talk anymore because he's

450
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Speaker 5: doing his own thing and and we're doing our own thing.

451
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Speaker 5: But listen, I love Bucky Brooks. He too puts a

452
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Speaker 5: lot of time to this stuff.

453
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Speaker 4: But I've also just puts a little bit of time

454
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Speaker 4: into it.

455
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Speaker 5: I've also seen, uh that some of these mock drafts

456
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Speaker 5: that teams and the like, personnel guys in the league

457
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Speaker 5: actually look at, some of the like actually take some

458
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Speaker 5: of these mock drafts seriously. Like I've seen more personnel

459
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Speaker 5: guys and they could just be blowing smoke, but that

460
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Speaker 5: they'll look at mock drafts and really put a lot

461
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Speaker 5: into where they believe guys are going to go. And

462
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Speaker 5: they rely on that to try and gauge you know,

463
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Speaker 5: where players are going to be taken. So for those

464
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Speaker 5: of you making a mock draft out there, you'd never

465
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Speaker 5: know who in the NFL is going to be looking

466
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Speaker 5: at it. Just saying so I did get Edmunds drafted.

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Speaker 5: have an interesting name that's all of a sudden popped

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Speaker 5: up potentially and could be had on the trade market

497
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Speaker 5: in the NFL. The Indianapolis Colts are allowing Anthony Richardson

498
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Speaker 5: to seek a trade. So Anthony Richardson, who was a

499
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Speaker 5: top four pick for the Indianapolis Colts, it just didn't

500
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Speaker 5: work there for a myriad of reasons. You know, most recently,

501
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Speaker 5: he was using an exercise band in the locker room

502
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Speaker 5: and it snapped and caved his face in, which is

503
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Speaker 5: not great. And then you know, taking himself out of

504
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Speaker 5: the game. That didn't go well. But at least the

505
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Speaker 5: cults have given him permission to seek a trade. And

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Speaker 5: I'll just say this right now, get to the Rams,

507
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Speaker 5: get to the Niners, and just see what they can

508
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Speaker 5: do with him. You know, there's a lot of talent there.

509
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Speaker 5: He authored one of the great throws we've seen a

510
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Speaker 5: couple of years ago to open up the season. On

511
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Speaker 5: his back foot, he threw the ball like seventy yards

512
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Speaker 5: on a perfect throw into the end zone. I believe

513
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Speaker 5: is Alex Pearce was on the other end, Like, if

514
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Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson's out there and you can get him for

515
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Speaker 5: the right price, why not take a peek at him.

516
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Speaker 5: A lot of talent there that could.

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Speaker 4: Be used, A ton of talent.

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Speaker 6: I mean, hopefully he's been able to, you know, grow mature,

519
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Speaker 6: learn a little bit from his past mistakes, and become

520
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Speaker 6: the player that I think he can be.

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Speaker 3: But he's got to raise the floor of his play.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's at a point now where there's not

523
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Speaker 6: too many people are going to give them another shot.

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Speaker 6: And the ones that do, they're gonna have a short

525
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Speaker 6: timeline on how much time they're gonna give him to

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Speaker 6: become what they think he can become. That or you know,

527
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Speaker 6: maybe he he evolves into a quarterback who's a part

528
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Speaker 6: of a system where they just they run him a

529
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Speaker 6: lot more and hopefully he can stay healthy because he

530
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Speaker 6: can be a dynamic runner. But he's got a howitzer

531
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Speaker 6: for an arm an absolute cannon. And if you can

532
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Speaker 6: rant all that in man, you've got something special.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just it's a bigger conversation that he

534
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Speaker 1: can request the trade.

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Speaker 4: Great. You know this happens all the time.

536
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Speaker 1: That that is, while he gets all of the praise

537
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Speaker 1: and it gets all the the scrutiny. Conversely or transversely,

538
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Speaker 1: what's what's the word I'm looking for. It's it's I

539
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Speaker 1: think it's more commonplace to see a player at that

540
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Speaker 1: position fail than to succeed. You'll find this being more

541
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Speaker 1: of a scenario more than I mean, and it's always

542
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Speaker 1: it's always going to be over over exaggerated because of

543
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Speaker 1: the position. I mean, if we pay attention to receivers more,

544
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Speaker 1: I could guarantee you there'd be storylines that are way

545
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Speaker 1: more provocative, way more crazier to hear about than what

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Speaker 1: we than what you listed for Anthony Richardson. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you think about some of the quarterbacks from the past,

548
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Speaker 1: like think about how they talked about Zach Wilson. They

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Speaker 1: even brought his mama into the situation. Didn't they do

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Speaker 1: the same thing with Rosen? Wasn't Rosen's mom brought into

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Speaker 1: the equations?

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Speaker 4: Was talked about?

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Speaker 5: I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Rosen's moms got brought up to I

555
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Speaker 1: just I think the COMversations surrounding the position are more polarizing,

556
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Speaker 1: and that's why it becomes a part of it. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not unique. Is it unique that

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson has been granted the opportunity? It was is

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Speaker 1: his third year, He's going into his third year.

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Speaker 8: I believe, No, he's going he's going into his fourth year,

561
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Speaker 8: which is fourth Which is why it kind of makes

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Speaker 8: sense because a team that trades for him now they'll

563
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Speaker 8: get the chance to see him four year, you know,

564
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Speaker 8: having there the.

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Speaker 4: Same contract under the rookie contract, so he's super super contract,

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Speaker 4: right right. Yeah, So it's it's which.

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Speaker 1: Makes him very tradable, right right, It makes him very tradable.

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Speaker 1: So I think this happens more often than what I mean, obviously,

569
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Speaker 1: being a top draft pick, it doesn't happen, you know,

570
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Speaker 1: Like in regards to I guess ratio, I bet you

571
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Speaker 1: there would be more Anthony Richardson stories than there are

572
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 5: I would assume, wouldn't you say, though, that quarterbacks are

574
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Speaker 5: like if a receiver pulled himself out of a game,

575
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Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, you're right, it's it wouldn't get nearly

576
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Speaker 5: the coverage that this would get. It's a quarterback, though,

577
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Speaker 5: and quarterbacks there's an expectation that's different, Like there's a

578
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Speaker 5: you can't do that, and I just I look at

579
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Speaker 5: this and I go he really was like the second

580
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Speaker 5: he made that, because there was already questions about his

581
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Speaker 5: durability because he kept getting injured. It was the shoulder,

582
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 5: it was concussions, it was all the other things. That

583
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: was like, man, the guy's got to fix the way

584
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Speaker 5: he plays. It was, you know, maybe similar to like

585
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Speaker 5: the Jackson darts stuff. But when he took himself out

586
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Speaker 5: of the game, it's almost like.

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Speaker 1: When did he take itself out? What happened? Like what happened?

588
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Speaker 4: He just you don't remember this.

589
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I remember, I don't remember the details though.

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Speaker 1: What he what was the play went on?

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Speaker 6: He went on a long run that he just was

592
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Speaker 6: out of breath. He tabbed himself out all right.

593
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Speaker 4: Now, let me ask you a question.

594
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Speaker 1: If y'all saw Derrick Henry or Jamiir Games or DK Metc.

595
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Speaker 6: Doesn't you can't say that it's a quarterback. It's not

596
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Speaker 6: a running back, it's not a low up.

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Speaker 4: There it is.

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Speaker 1: I can say it, And that's why I can't say it,

599
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Speaker 1: because that is an expectation that's been created, a standard

600
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Speaker 1: that's been created. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's right.

601
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's correct.

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Speaker 4: You're leading? Why why exactly? Why exactly? To take himself out? Why? Okay?

603
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Speaker 1: And in a day and age where you have quarterbacks

604
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Speaker 1: who are more multi this is the worst stance you've

605
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Speaker 1: ever taken on the subjects.

606
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Speaker 3: If you really feel like it is okay for a quarter.

607
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: Made me choke take himself out? All right? Here, here's again.

608
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Speaker 4: It's because I almost I want to let but I want.

609
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Speaker 1: To stay serious and make him my point. Why is

610
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Speaker 1: it okay for everybody else to get a blow when

611
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: they do something that makes them tired, but the quarterback

612
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Speaker 1: doesn't get that same courtesy?

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Speaker 4: Why is that?

614
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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 6: Because the general you're being compensated in some cases fifty

616
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 6: plus million a year to be the guy that leads

617
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 6: his team every single chance you get on the field.

618
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Speaker 6: You're the guy that the coaching staff has entrusted to

619
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Speaker 6: be the leader of the team, to be the guy

620
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Speaker 6: who's the face of your organization, to the guy that.

621
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Speaker 3: In adversity everyone looks to.

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Speaker 6: And so in that moment when you're facing a little

623
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Speaker 6: bit of adversity and everyone's looking at you, No, the

624
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 6: signal you send isn't take me out so I can

625
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 6: catch my breath, Because no, the quarterback's not like everyone else.

626
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 6: He's not treated like everyone else in good or bad.

627
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 6: He's not paid like everyone else. So no, that's it's

628
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Speaker 6: a standard. What you're saying is the most outlandish thing

629
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Speaker 6: I've ever heard in my life. Quarterbacks have to live

630
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Speaker 6: to a certain standard. And that's a standard that's broke

631
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Speaker 6: the trust of his entire team. And that's why he

632
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 6: got benched, and that's why he's right now looking for

633
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Speaker 6: a trade.

634
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Speaker 1: So he can't be sensible and say, you know what,

635
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: I can't breathe right now. No, I just ran really far,

636
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: I ran really hard. I gave us a really big play.

637
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: I need a I need a moment, like, like, give

638
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: me a blow real quick.

639
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 5: Then turn around and hand the ball off.

640
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 6: Hey, all the time out and call the time out

641
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 6: that stay on the ground and sit there and say

642
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 6: I'm injured.

643
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: You're a legendary quarterback. I get it. You are a quarterback.

644
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Speaker 4: And what is any.

645
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: Quarterback in NFL history done that?

646
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Speaker 6: You?

647
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: You played at the NFL level. I respect you as

648
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: a person and as my my my younger brother. I

649
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Speaker 1: respect it because you're a quarterback, and you're speaking from

650
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Speaker 1: how quarterbacks.

651
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Speaker 6: I'm speaking from a dude who called a game for

652
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Speaker 6: the Colts and talk to the organizations and her how

653
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 6: disappointed other players were. It's every single angle. This isn't

654
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 6: just my quarterback perspective. This is maybe also angles of

655
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Speaker 6: how the organization felt.

656
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Speaker 1: Maybe everyone has been bamboozled into believing that that's how

657
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Speaker 1: y'all are supposed to be looked at and how you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be treated.

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Speaker 5: Everybody else gets a sub at LeVar. Does it Does

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Speaker 5: it make it? Does it make it any better? That

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Speaker 5: the play he subbed out for was a third.

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Speaker 1: And goal, it probably would have been maybe best to

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Speaker 1: call time out if they had a time out available,

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Speaker 1: so he could catch his breath and continue on. But

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Speaker 1: again it's all about perspective. If he pulled himself out

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Speaker 1: because he was too gassed and he didn't feel as

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Speaker 1: though he was mentally, physically and emotionally prepared to handle

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Speaker 1: that new play on such a critical down, a critical

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Speaker 1: down for this Colt team, and he wanted someone else

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Speaker 1: who had their breath, had their win, had their wits

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Speaker 1: all about them, to be able to handle that one

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Speaker 1: play after he delivered them to where they were on

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Speaker 1: the field with this run that made him tired, Which.

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Speaker 4: Is stake you've ever had?

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Speaker 5: How can I?

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Speaker 6: Can I give you the exact scenario? Can I give

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Speaker 6: you the exact scenario? Because you obviously have no clue

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Speaker 6: what you're talking?

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Speaker 4: How was it? How was it?

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Speaker 6: Was twenty to ten in the third quarter with three

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00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: minutes left, first the Texans, they're backed up. It is

682
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Speaker 6: second and goal from like the twenty twenty four. He

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00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 6: scrambles around for essentially a one yard game. The next play,

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Speaker 6: being that its third and goal from the twenty three,

685
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Speaker 6: is probably a handoff anyway to set up fuel goal position.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't a productive long.

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Speaker 1: So the point is in the game, it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like they were on their own twenty and

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Speaker 1: he ran it and it ran all.

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Speaker 4: The way to the other side of the field.

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Speaker 1: It's like I said, I don't remember the play exactly.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is this.

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Speaker 3: Is the worst take you've ever had.

694
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Speaker 4: Scream me into a worst take. Listen. The bottom line is.

695
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 4: The bottom line is I put it on social media.

696
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Speaker 3: I'd love to see the reaction to this.

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Speaker 1: That's this scenario without having remembering what the play was.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know that I saw the play, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, I don't even think I saw. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember it, So I maybe I'm just giving a general

701
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Speaker 1: concept of why is it that everybody else and this

702
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: is this is my total point, And you could come

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Speaker 1: back with what you said, it still doesn't change how

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Speaker 1: I feel about it.

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Speaker 5: And can we keep it?

706
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Speaker 4: Why is it that everyone else?

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Speaker 1: Everyone else has the opportunity to get a break? Everybody

708
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: else has the opportunity to get a sub. He taps

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Speaker 1: to get a sub and this is the ridicule he gets.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, all time, can we.

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Speaker 5: Can we cont can we continue the conversation because we

712
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Speaker 5: need to take a break here. Uh so we're gonna

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Speaker 5: pull on Anthony Richardson and we're gonna sub out here

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Speaker 5: Uh so we're gonna have that. Also, going to tell

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Speaker 5: you about some wheeling and dealing in the NFL. That'll

723
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Speaker 5: be yours right here on FSR.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and

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Speaker 5: Somebody's got some ideas on how to fix things for

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Speaker 5: players in the league. We'll get into that for you

733
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Speaker 5: right here on FSR. So, yeah, we're having the conversation.

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Speaker 5: But Anthony Richards, what's the name of this song I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna be or five hundred miles?

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Speaker 1: Oh, like he'll walk five hundred miles or something like that, would.

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Speaker 5: Walk five hundred Oh, yeah, miles.

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Speaker 1: I guess everybody else gets a break on that five

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Speaker 1: hundred miles. But if you're a quarterback, you don't get

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Speaker 1: any breaks, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Damn. And that's how quarterbacks like five hundred There you

742
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 4: want to break you in a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: There you go, that's wonderful. Now everybody gets the hair.

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00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: Everybody gets to hair the brain of a quarterback. It's

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00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: it's unreasonable, it's it's uh, it's outlandish, it's not uh,

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Speaker 1: it's just not sensible. Man, Like these guys have superhero complexes.

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Speaker 4: And then I get it. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you guys are are wired differently, but

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Speaker 1: you are allowed to get a blow you are. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it happens in the weight room, and it happens in

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Speaker 1: in conditioning like I've seen it. I've seen quarterbacks get

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Speaker 1: tired worse than the rest of the guys on the field.

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Speaker 1: In fact, quarterbacks are on the lowest part of the

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Speaker 1: total poll, as as the athletes that are physically prepared

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Speaker 1: to play a game like.

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Speaker 6: I just you can make the case maybe they're not

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Speaker 6: as athletic, but to not be in shape is an excuse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't look at it making I'm not

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Speaker 1: making an excuse.

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Speaker 4: I'm what are saying.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we have these conversations about how things are supposed

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Speaker 1: to be or how they were, and if you're not

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Speaker 1: paying attention to society and culture, some things, yeah something

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Speaker 1: some things.

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Speaker 9: Let me norms, yeah, let me may not be the

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Speaker 9: norm anymore? If being if you're trying to make normal

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Speaker 9: a guy tapping himself out of the game to take

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Speaker 9: himself out because he's tired, all right, I don't want

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Speaker 9: to live in that world.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to coach a player who wants to

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Speaker 6: do that. I wouldn't want any part of it.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Bottom line, that's where the world's going.

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Speaker 4: We're all going. We're done.

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Speaker 3: We're done.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 6: If if that's where you think like things are, okay,

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Speaker 6: we got no shot.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what norms have become? Mental health more important? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll look forward to emotion emotional status. Emotional status more important,

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Speaker 1: not pushing through the pain and not pushing through the fatigue,

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Speaker 1: but but being being serviced, being being uh, being taken

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Speaker 1: care of.

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Speaker 5: From the bottom of the deck, LeVar pulls out the

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Speaker 5: mental health card. That's well done.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's twenty twenty six. What card is everybody using.

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Speaker 1: They're using the letters, they're using the house for that letter.

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Speaker 6: It's a health played an issue with that particular scenario

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Speaker 6: or play.

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Speaker 4: It's potential it potentially did. All right, you're probat of

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Speaker 4: the problem.

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Speaker 6: Then to try someone that stupid as this conversation and

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Speaker 6: trying to normalize it, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to normalize anything, just trying to.

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Speaker 5: Give a little bit.

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Speaker 6: I hope you didn't cost someone to jerk their wheel

797
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Speaker 6: of the car into a ditch with how ridiculous you're being.

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Speaker 4: Ready, I hope you guys didn't wreck on my take.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying sometimes norms aren't norms until somebody

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Speaker 1: challenges the norm and it becomes a new norm.

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Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that I'm a propa, guys,

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Speaker 4: I'm lazy.

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Speaker 3: Pos don't be in shape, don't be prepared, need a