1
00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,119
Speaker 1: The golfers who are on the outside decided to unionize

2
00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,079
Speaker 1: and say, well, you know what, you thirty guys, you

3
00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,360
Speaker 1: forty guys, you sixty guys. You guys do your thing

4
00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Without us, They're gonna find they don't have a PGA Tour.

5
00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,120
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a very fine balancing act of

6
00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:21,640
Speaker 1: inclusion and and elitism. I got dots in my head.

7
00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:30,160
Speaker 1: Can't get John nothing thing what I'm thinking about. Can't

8
00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:43,680
Speaker 1: get them out, not to think, but I'm thinking about. Hello,

9
00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,839
Speaker 1: and welcome back to another fire Drill podcast. There is

10
00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,160
Speaker 1: so much to talk about. Huge day for the PGA

11
00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,479
Speaker 1: Tour and professional golf. We're gonna get into all of

12
00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,400
Speaker 1: that right quick as they say here in Atlanta. But

13
00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,800
Speaker 1: let's take a moment to thank our corporate sponsors who

14
00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,880
Speaker 1: make this stuff possible. I've got this big asked ad

15
00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,160
Speaker 1: read I need to get through. So UM part Points Golf,

16
00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,440
Speaker 1: our favorite golf scoring app. You've heard us talk about it.

17
00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,760
Speaker 1: It really does make the game more fun. Download the

18
00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,800
Speaker 1: app today, you won't regret it. UM and then we

19
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,680
Speaker 1: have Dormy Network. They make beautiful artisanal leather goods. If

20
00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,640
Speaker 1: you go to UM firepit dot com slash shop. You

21
00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,440
Speaker 1: can see what we're selling. Put in fire Drill as

22
00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,119
Speaker 1: the promo code, and you can get some very nice

23
00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,680
Speaker 1: merchandise which will spiff up your golf bag. I highly

24
00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,480
Speaker 1: encourage that. All Right, we paid the bills. Now let's

25
00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,560
Speaker 1: have some fun on the line. We have really quickly.

26
00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,440
Speaker 1: We paid the bills. But uh, we paid the bills.

27
00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,959
Speaker 1: But it's fire Pit Collective dot Com. Just start there.

28
00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,880
Speaker 1: That's fine, almost got it. That's fine. Ryan friends from

29
00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,360
Speaker 1: the top. We have Ryan Friends who's always here to

30
00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,520
Speaker 1: correct about Alan. Can you just say this about power points?

31
00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,080
Speaker 1: As we say in Atlanta, I love him to death.

32
00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,640
Speaker 1: Uh indeed, and uh that's Michael Bamberger. Both Ryan and

33
00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,640
Speaker 1: Michael are in the fire Pit offices in Oceanside, California,

34
00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,720
Speaker 1: as part of a little boondoggle slash junket um and

35
00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,560
Speaker 1: um jealous, I'm not there. We also have Macbarnhardt, the

36
00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,520
Speaker 1: Jerry McGuire of golf agents on the line. He's gonna

37
00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:24,359
Speaker 1: help walk us through, um, the very rapidly shifting landscape. UM.

38
00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,480
Speaker 1: Let me just start real quick with some observations. Because

39
00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,040
Speaker 1: I was in the room where it happened. I'm here

40
00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,359
Speaker 1: at the Tour Championship and for a Wednesday morning press

41
00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,640
Speaker 1: conference with Jay Monahan, who is not the most thrilling orator,

42
00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,240
Speaker 1: the atmosphere was electric. I mean everyone knew he was

43
00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,960
Speaker 1: coming in heavy. To use a Sopranos terminology, like the

44
00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,440
Speaker 1: tour is in a fight for its survival and uh Monahan.

45
00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,400
Speaker 1: Of course, there was a call to action with the

46
00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,720
Speaker 1: players only meeting last week in Delaware, which Monahan's said

47
00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,200
Speaker 1: this only a second time in tour history. You have

48
00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,560
Speaker 1: to go back to there was a player only meeting.

49
00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was fact checked or not,

50
00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,760
Speaker 1: but I thought it was cool. And um, he dropped

51
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,840
Speaker 1: a few I don't know. I wouldn't say they were bombs,

52
00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,679
Speaker 1: but there was some heavy artillery was was certainly fired. Um.

53
00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,399
Speaker 1: As a tour, they've decided they're gonna go to kind

54
00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,040
Speaker 1: of this twenty super event schedule, big purses. They have

55
00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,679
Speaker 1: a commitment from all the top players to play in them.

56
00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,280
Speaker 1: In fact, there's now a minimum to play in twenty events. Um,

57
00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,000
Speaker 1: there's socialism has come to the PGA Tour. They're going

58
00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,960
Speaker 1: to give each player five thousand dollars up front, which

59
00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,680
Speaker 1: is interesting because, UM, I'm sure at their dinner tables.

60
00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,480
Speaker 1: They decry socialism effect on America. But um, that's guaranteed

61
00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,120
Speaker 1: money as against their winnings. Um, that will make a

62
00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,640
Speaker 1: lot of rookies and journeymen happy because they get the

63
00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,320
Speaker 1: money up front, they can pay their bills out having

64
00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,320
Speaker 1: to worry about it. Um. Those were the two big

65
00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,880
Speaker 1: red letter items. There's some other stuff that's also important,

66
00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,560
Speaker 1: but that's what we know. There's a lot of questions

67
00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,240
Speaker 1: that need to be answered. Um, Mac, let's start with you. Um,

68
00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,000
Speaker 1: you've you've wrapped Superstars, You've you've rep journeyman everything in between.

69
00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,400
Speaker 1: How do you see this, uh, this new PGA tour?

70
00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,520
Speaker 1: How is it going to play out? I have no idea. Um.

71
00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,680
Speaker 1: The one thing we're missing is the field size. How

72
00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,880
Speaker 1: do you qualify? Is it just a hundred and fifty

73
00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,520
Speaker 1: six people? That? And we know that the top twenty

74
00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,039
Speaker 1: guys are gonna play in these eighteen events and as

75
00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,640
Speaker 1: their cut, And if there is, then what have we

76
00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,240
Speaker 1: really done? I mean, there's twenty guys may not benefit

77
00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,680
Speaker 1: from this. I don't think these guys have promised to

78
00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,760
Speaker 1: play this many events without benefiting financially. So until they

79
00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,240
Speaker 1: tell us how many people are playing. How they're going

80
00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,360
Speaker 1: to build the field, We're not sure how it affects anything.

81
00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,599
Speaker 1: It's just it's just more tournaments with bigger purses the same,

82
00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,159
Speaker 1: It's just a lot more towards um what would you

83
00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,159
Speaker 1: call it? More players championships. There will be a cut,

84
00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,960
Speaker 1: I know that to be a fact. Um, you know

85
00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,400
Speaker 1: the tours. I think the tournament side is going to

86
00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,880
Speaker 1: be negotiated. At the pack meeting last week, sixty players

87
00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,040
Speaker 1: was floated, as as as the field side. That's basically

88
00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,840
Speaker 1: a w g C. I'm sure there's pushed back from

89
00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,160
Speaker 1: the membership that they want more playing opportunities. And one

90
00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,320
Speaker 1: of the things that was really discussed is is this

91
00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,320
Speaker 1: a closed shop? You know, how how can you go

92
00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,440
Speaker 1: from being a young aspiring player or or someone how

93
00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,960
Speaker 1: can you elevate yourself into this top player category and

94
00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,479
Speaker 1: theme on a hand, and then Rory hammered the point,

95
00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,240
Speaker 1: just play better you can. You can play your way

96
00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,320
Speaker 1: into that, into that rare fight air. But but to

97
00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,800
Speaker 1: do that you need to be in the field. So

98
00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,560
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna it's gonna be happy more than

99
00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,240
Speaker 1: sixty spots. But you're right that that was not made public. Um,

100
00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,000
Speaker 1: Ryan what what are your thoughts because you see things

101
00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,560
Speaker 1: from from the ground up. I'm curious. Yeah. UM, I

102
00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,359
Speaker 1: was surprised actually about the few players I talked to,

103
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,880
Speaker 1: you know that are kind of outside looking in at this. UH.

104
00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,719
Speaker 1: I talked to mostly conditional members. UM. I talked to

105
00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,680
Speaker 1: six or seven of them, and one player was like,

106
00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,640
Speaker 1: it's a plus over all. Uh. Their biggest concern is

107
00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,960
Speaker 1: the field size that we talked about, and definitely that

108
00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,120
Speaker 1: they've made it harder for you know, it's easier to

109
00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,200
Speaker 1: stay on the tour. It's always been as mcno's and

110
00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,479
Speaker 1: my I mean, all of us know, it's harder to

111
00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,479
Speaker 1: get to the tour than it is to stay on

112
00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,800
Speaker 1: the tour, and now they've made that even more. You know,

113
00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,400
Speaker 1: that divide even farther. It's going to be even easier

114
00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,880
Speaker 1: to stay on the tour, especially to these twenty events,

115
00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,560
Speaker 1: and it's going to be even harder to get there.

116
00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:38,480
Speaker 1: So um, it's it's uh divided that in UH. Players

117
00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,760
Speaker 1: on the bottom, I mean, one player brought up a

118
00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,719
Speaker 1: very good point that I didn't really think about about

119
00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,480
Speaker 1: the five thousand dollars. If you get if you remember

120
00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,120
Speaker 1: and you get the five thousand dollars. Um. What this

121
00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,039
Speaker 1: player said was, I can compete on a level playing

122
00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,680
Speaker 1: field from the standpoint of in his playing career, he

123
00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,640
Speaker 1: played better, and then he hired physical therapist, then he

124
00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,680
Speaker 1: hired a swing coach, then he hired a caddy. He

125
00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,400
Speaker 1: could afford right that five dollars gives him a more

126
00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,200
Speaker 1: level playing field from that standpoint. It might not from

127
00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,160
Speaker 1: playing opportunities or those kind of things, but I can

128
00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,880
Speaker 1: immediately hire a nutritionalist or a swing coach or whatever

129
00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,800
Speaker 1: and maybe make those opportunities, um a little bit easier.

130
00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,760
Speaker 1: But I mean, everybody's concerned about how do you get

131
00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,080
Speaker 1: to these twenty events. Um. The PGA Tour has always

132
00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,880
Speaker 1: been a clothes shop. It seems to be closing even further.

133
00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,280
Speaker 1: So that will be interesting how it plays out. Michael,

134
00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,080
Speaker 1: you've been covering the PGA Tour forever, um that this

135
00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,880
Speaker 1: is a pretty seismic shift. What's your take? You know,

136
00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,600
Speaker 1: right after the US Open, Monahan went to Hartford home

137
00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,800
Speaker 1: game for him and he said, you know, if this

138
00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,280
Speaker 1: fight with the Saudis is over over dollars, we can't compete.

139
00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,880
Speaker 1: And here we are in in late August and it's

140
00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,280
Speaker 1: been a complete reversal. He's coming in with money. UH,

141
00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna key his core players. He does not want

142
00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,640
Speaker 1: to lose Sam Burns. He does want to lose camp Smith.

143
00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,400
Speaker 1: He certainly doesn't want to lose Word. He's not gonna

144
00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,640
Speaker 1: lose Tiger. And he's competing with dollars, the very thing

145
00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,280
Speaker 1: he said that he wasn't going to do so. Obviously,

146
00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,760
Speaker 1: a lot has happened between UH, between the US Open

147
00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,840
Speaker 1: and UH. And here we are at the end of end,

148
00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,360
Speaker 1: end of August. It's all it's all about money. It's

149
00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,600
Speaker 1: about keeping these star players with money. UH. To Ryan's

150
00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,360
Speaker 1: point about it's a close shop, and it's always been

151
00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,440
Speaker 1: a close shop. It's a very fine balancing act as

152
00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,880
Speaker 1: Amazon and Starbucks and everybody else is finding out between UM,

153
00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,720
Speaker 1: keeping the rich rich, but making sure that the middle class,

154
00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,520
Speaker 1: which of course is in quotes here UH, doesn't unionize. Well,

155
00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,959
Speaker 1: that happened in baseball once. Once the baseball players unionized,

156
00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,800
Speaker 1: even though you know, even the casual fan can't name,

157
00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds and hundreds of baseball players, but that

158
00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,000
Speaker 1: baseball union is super powerful. And if the golfers who

159
00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,600
Speaker 1: are on the outside decided to unionize and say well,

160
00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, you thirty guys, you forty guys, you sixty guys.

161
00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,959
Speaker 1: You guys do your thing without us. They're gonna find

162
00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,560
Speaker 1: they don't have the pH A tour. So it's gonna

163
00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:09,040
Speaker 1: be a very fine balancing act of inclusion and and elitism. Well,

164
00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,400
Speaker 1: it's just so many questions, like I say, I don't,

165
00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of answers. I'm gonna ask

166
00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,640
Speaker 1: there were twenty two players in the private meeting in Delaware?

167
00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,720
Speaker 1: Was that correct? It was? Was that the and there's

168
00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty p i P spots paide, So there's

169
00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,840
Speaker 1: two guys that went to that meeting are not gonna

170
00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,120
Speaker 1: get any money. And I'm I'm gonna be it's gonna

171
00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,439
Speaker 1: be exciting to me to see if if the twenty

172
00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,240
Speaker 1: two people in there, that at those at least twenty

173
00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,240
Speaker 1: of those get the pr P money, how is that

174
00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,480
Speaker 1: going to be distributed. I'm not happy about the pr

175
00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,880
Speaker 1: P money. I'll promise you that I think this should be.

176
00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,720
Speaker 1: If Rory just said play better, well, how do you

177
00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,240
Speaker 1: What has that got to do with the fifteen million

178
00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,360
Speaker 1: or a ten million you get for the point system.

179
00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,960
Speaker 1: That has got nothing to do with how you play. Um,

180
00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,319
Speaker 1: so I don't like that. How's it gonna play out?

181
00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,920
Speaker 1: I think you just said it once. They tell you

182
00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,480
Speaker 1: how the field sizes are, how it benefits of guys,

183
00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,800
Speaker 1: how far down the line it benefits. Does it benefit

184
00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,280
Speaker 1: enough guys not to keep the other guys from saying

185
00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a union? Um? Does it? How do you?

186
00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,160
Speaker 1: How do you keep that going? And you can't really

187
00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,520
Speaker 1: say how it's gonna play out. I'll give you an example.

188
00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,120
Speaker 1: Will Sala Tourists I think was in the meeting in Delaware?

189
00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:23,200
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Um? Or did Okay? Will's now out?

190
00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,560
Speaker 1: Where the Will's bound out with a back injury, he

191
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,840
Speaker 1: could be out for the other person. I'm gonna mention

192
00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,560
Speaker 1: it like Karri's English who was one of the top

193
00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,400
Speaker 1: players in the game until he had hip surgery. So

194
00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,360
Speaker 1: now will does he come back? He? I mean, I

195
00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,360
Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah, Harris did not finish Top one and

196
00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,520
Speaker 1: FedEx because he couldn't play because of his hips. How

197
00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,280
Speaker 1: how do you Okay Will goes into the meeting, but

198
00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,120
Speaker 1: now Will could fall to d in the world if

199
00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,880
Speaker 1: this if you'll say, if he has back surgery, so

200
00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,120
Speaker 1: what do you do about these situations to where you

201
00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,600
Speaker 1: know your top play there gets injured, like in baseball,

202
00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,800
Speaker 1: you put them on reserve, do you bring them back in?

203
00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,320
Speaker 1: And again, all that comes down to what are the

204
00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,480
Speaker 1: field sizes and how does it play out? Are they cuts?

205
00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,600
Speaker 1: And you say there are going to be cuts, um

206
00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,120
Speaker 1: the world ranking points. If you put these twenty top

207
00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,160
Speaker 1: players into these fields, you're gonna like bunch up these

208
00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,760
Speaker 1: world ranking points. So now you've got a situation where

209
00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,839
Speaker 1: let's say that the last player in the field and

210
00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,240
Speaker 1: ninety wins that event with all those world ranking points,

211
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot way above some of the guys that

212
00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,520
Speaker 1: are your superstars playing in these events. So it's just

213
00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna flip flop. And and it's that there's so many

214
00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,000
Speaker 1: questions about how that around the field sizes, and if

215
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,600
Speaker 1: they don't and when they answer that, then I can

216
00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,000
Speaker 1: probably tell you how it's gonna play out well. And

217
00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,920
Speaker 1: so this is what's interesting to me is that. And

218
00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,120
Speaker 1: by the way, just to clarify, you mentioned the Player

219
00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,880
Speaker 1: Impact Program the PIP, that that's something I should have

220
00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,880
Speaker 1: said at the top. That's doubling from a fifty million

221
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,440
Speaker 1: dollar pool to a hundred million dollars. Winner gets fifteen

222
00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,520
Speaker 1: million dollars. And again I asked Monahan and his press comments,

223
00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,439
Speaker 1: will will be more transparency because no one really understood

224
00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,160
Speaker 1: how that was divvied up, and they didn't really make

225
00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,760
Speaker 1: the results public. They kind of got leaked out eventually

226
00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,079
Speaker 1: and then and then the tour was forced to to clarify.

227
00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,360
Speaker 1: But um, that's a lot of money at stake, and

228
00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,400
Speaker 1: everyone believes it to be a slush fund that the

229
00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,360
Speaker 1: commissioners just using to buy the allegiance of the stars,

230
00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,360
Speaker 1: and that's not a great look for you know that

231
00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,480
Speaker 1: one of the tours talking points is we're a meritocracy,

232
00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,680
Speaker 1: we're hardcore competition and live golf is getting guaranteed money

233
00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,319
Speaker 1: and they're devaluing the soul of the sport with his

234
00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,960
Speaker 1: guaranteed money. Well, um, you know, if you're Roy McElroy,

235
00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,199
Speaker 1: you're pretty much guaranteed you're either gonna be ten or

236
00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,000
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars. I'm sure it'll be top two and

237
00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,040
Speaker 1: the pif no matter what, because they want to reward

238
00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,480
Speaker 1: it for his loyalty and Tiger as well. So, um

239
00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,040
Speaker 1: that that talking point of meritocracy took a hit today.

240
00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,920
Speaker 1: But um, for me, A big fundamental issue is there's

241
00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,040
Speaker 1: now two PGA tour is it? It was always kind

242
00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,600
Speaker 1: of there, you know, there was there was there was

243
00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,000
Speaker 1: the big events, and there was the second tier events.

244
00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,960
Speaker 1: But they could at least hope that they could attract

245
00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,240
Speaker 1: some of the great players if if um, if the

246
00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,559
Speaker 1: scheduling worked out, or if they wooed the wife and

247
00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,480
Speaker 1: the caddy or whatever it was. But you know, there's

248
00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,720
Speaker 1: there's now going to be more than two dozen second

249
00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,880
Speaker 1: tier events where they're not gonna get anybody in UM.

250
00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,199
Speaker 1: There was so much talk today. It was clearly a

251
00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,040
Speaker 1: talking point because both Jordan's Speed and Rory McIlroy used

252
00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,880
Speaker 1: the term improve the product, like we're improving the product.

253
00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,120
Speaker 1: We can get the best players together more often, and

254
00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,200
Speaker 1: we're going to improve the product. But when more than

255
00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,280
Speaker 1: half year events UM have no stars, that's a real problem.

256
00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,199
Speaker 1: And what do you guys think about how the torque

257
00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,719
Speaker 1: kind of bridge that gap between the halves and the

258
00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,880
Speaker 1: have mores. Well, my biggest concern and some of the

259
00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,880
Speaker 1: players I talked to, also uh Alan and Macin and Michael,

260
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,080
Speaker 1: is how do those second tier events survive? Right? Like

261
00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,920
Speaker 1: the corn ferry of tour can't get loses any constantly

262
00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,160
Speaker 1: can't get sponsors. At what point does Sanderson Farms or

263
00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,439
Speaker 1: Barracuda or whatever the second tier events? How do they

264
00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,080
Speaker 1: commit millions and millions of dollars when they're going to

265
00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,360
Speaker 1: get none, not a few like they do now? Not

266
00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,680
Speaker 1: like oh, you know, Rory's gonna come this year or whatever,

267
00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know where they like a T and

268
00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,440
Speaker 1: T Pebble Beach pro Hum, No one's playing in it.

269
00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:31,120
Speaker 1: No one's going to play there. Uh you know, Sanderson Farms, Fortunet,

270
00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,720
Speaker 1: Napa Valley continue, Like how long do those do? We are?

271
00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,960
Speaker 1: Is the PGA tour able to find enough sponsors to

272
00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,880
Speaker 1: support an entire another tour? So basically there's corn Ferry Tour,

273
00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,720
Speaker 1: this tour, the elite tour. How long can they do that?

274
00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,200
Speaker 1: And how long do the members who are supporting it

275
00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,360
Speaker 1: and paying for it on the top tour go what

276
00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,080
Speaker 1: the hell are we doing? Like so that's a very

277
00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,880
Speaker 1: big concern of a lot of the players. I talked

278
00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,760
Speaker 1: to you that this tour within a tour really struggles

279
00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,160
Speaker 1: to survive because there's just not enough financial support to

280
00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,240
Speaker 1: make it work. That's really well said, Ryan, because you know,

281
00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,320
Speaker 1: the underlying purpose of the PGA Tour, by its actual charter,

282
00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,560
Speaker 1: is to give playing opportunities to people who want to

283
00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,600
Speaker 1: make a living playing golf, and the tour has done

284
00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,560
Speaker 1: that very successfully, almost too successfully, because you know, playing

285
00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,040
Speaker 1: weekend a week out, as many have said, has gotten

286
00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,840
Speaker 1: very dull wares and the time wife Tom Wiscoffe error

287
00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,840
Speaker 1: it really the count of tour really did end in

288
00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,960
Speaker 1: October and October, November, December, and even into January went

289
00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,840
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing, and there was there there. It did

290
00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,760
Speaker 1: give opportunity for for golf to refresh itself under this scenario.

291
00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, these players are are are going to make

292
00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,280
Speaker 1: NBA money, NFL money, Major League Baseball money, except for

293
00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,400
Speaker 1: the fact that golf is a niche sport. And to

294
00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,920
Speaker 1: Ryan's point, no, it's pretty clear for Monahan's Commons today

295
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,240
Speaker 1: they had a slush fund, just like like Phil Mickelson

296
00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,560
Speaker 1: has been saying all along, hundreds of millions of dollars

297
00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,600
Speaker 1: obvious sleep because this money came from nowhere. It's not

298
00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,040
Speaker 1: like Exxon Corps just suddenly wrote a check to the

299
00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,440
Speaker 1: PGA Tours. Oh, I've been reading about live. I feel

300
00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,680
Speaker 1: so bad for you guys. Let me write a check

301
00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,440
Speaker 1: to get you through these next five years. No, so

302
00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,440
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. So they're financing this themselves largely. And

303
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,280
Speaker 1: golfs a small business. It looks like a big business,

304
00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,920
Speaker 1: but it really isn't, not compared to the NFL, and

305
00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,320
Speaker 1: not compared not compared to heavway boxing, even as as

306
00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,600
Speaker 1: as diminished that is, so I really don't know how

307
00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,000
Speaker 1: long term you're gonna pay for all of this. Uh.

308
00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,040
Speaker 1: And to that point, this conversation we're having right now,

309
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,120
Speaker 1: no one cares uh and And the reason I say

310
00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,720
Speaker 1: it just that way is because the ordinary golf fan

311
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,520
Speaker 1: is going to care about this discussion at all. They

312
00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,240
Speaker 1: just want to put on their TV and see players

313
00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,000
Speaker 1: they know play good golf shots. And to that point,

314
00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,920
Speaker 1: I think this is a very positive day for the

315
00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,840
Speaker 1: PGA Tour because there will be more events with more

316
00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,760
Speaker 1: name players and and and just enough not name players

317
00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,240
Speaker 1: who are scratching up that leader board. It's like, oh,

318
00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,640
Speaker 1: can this guy knockoff Scottie Sheffler, just like we saw

319
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,040
Speaker 1: last week in Wilmington's so viewed that way, I think

320
00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,960
Speaker 1: this is actually a big positive for the PGA Tour

321
00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,399
Speaker 1: for now. I think they've really found a way to

322
00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,879
Speaker 1: fend off Live, which was of course the impetus for

323
00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,240
Speaker 1: this whole thing. So in that regard, you know, my

324
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,879
Speaker 1: hats off, hats off to the PGA Tour and for

325
00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,399
Speaker 1: for how they've turned things around in this very tense,

326
00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,560
Speaker 1: odd summer and golf the likes of which golf has

327
00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,879
Speaker 1: never had. Yeah, I think Matt can probably talk to this.

328
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,919
Speaker 1: But I just see in five to ten years a

329
00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,359
Speaker 1: very real possibility that either corn Ferry disappears or this

330
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,400
Speaker 1: second tier becomes the Corn Ferry Tour. I just can

331
00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,080
Speaker 1: foresee a place where these twenty events or maybe they

332
00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,240
Speaker 1: go to twenty five or whatever that is, is the

333
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,199
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. I just I just don't see. I just

334
00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,280
Speaker 1: don't see this tour within a tour surviving. I just

335
00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,919
Speaker 1: can't believe. Again, Michael is a hundred percent spot on.

336
00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,880
Speaker 1: No one cares about the Sanderson farms like no one,

337
00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,040
Speaker 1: I just is it, and they're going to care I

338
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,320
Speaker 1: mean even less because I mean the players do. I'm

339
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,760
Speaker 1: saying that the hardcore vans do and the local community does,

340
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,919
Speaker 1: but it's not enough to put millions and millions and

341
00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,719
Speaker 1: millions of dollars up for it. The tour can't afford

342
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,240
Speaker 1: to cut off the pipeline of young players. I mean,

343
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna see the situation in a couple of years,

344
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,399
Speaker 1: let's say the next tiger Woods. Not that there can

345
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,399
Speaker 1: be a next tiger On pretend in three years, the

346
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,680
Speaker 1: next Tiger Woods is coming out of college, and so

347
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,639
Speaker 1: he hires representation, and representation calls Monahan and any calls

348
00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,880
Speaker 1: Greg Norman. Alright, I've got player right here. Um, start

349
00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,680
Speaker 1: the bidding. Do you wanting or not winning? Um? That's

350
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,320
Speaker 1: going to be one of the situations that will come.

351
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,639
Speaker 1: But they cannot afford to close the pipeline off. And

352
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,040
Speaker 1: so how do you do that? Do yourself fund that?

353
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there should be a tour underneath the corntary.

354
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 1: There's that much talent on the rise. But again Michael said,

355
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,880
Speaker 1: short term, the tour has now produced a better product

356
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,880
Speaker 1: for at least eighteen events. Okay, um, But the long

357
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 1: term examples or long term effects or unattended consequences, no

358
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 1: one can tell yet because you don't know what Live

359
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 1: Live could respond to this in some way of shape

360
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,639
Speaker 1: or form, And they can't. If you cut the corn

361
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,080
Speaker 1: ferry off and Live comes and creates their corn ferry

362
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 1: in the US. Then then they then they'll have all

363
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 1: the young players because the space in five years, how

364
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 1: old we're gonna have Jordan's speed, Justin Thomas. These guys

365
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,399
Speaker 1: are gonna be getting into their thirties. And we know

366
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,520
Speaker 1: what happens at the thirties. I mean it's there's a

367
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 1: slow decline. At thirty eight, it's it's more progressive. And

368
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 1: at forty two, you know, it's so the tour they

369
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 1: can't cut off. They're young superstars. And two years ago

370
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 1: Scottie Scheffler was not even on the radar, and now

371
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 1: he's the number one player in the world. And who's

372
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,399
Speaker 1: the next Scottie Scheffler setting out there that may go

373
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 1: out to bid or and that could be two years now.

374
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,400
Speaker 1: And I was gonna bring up one point, you guys

375
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 1: talking about NFL money in Major League Baseball money, The

376
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 1: one difference in the tour is their careers are much longer.

377
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean, an NFL player's career is so short, so

378
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 1: if he's making but I mean tour players now playing

379
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 1: for forty years if they want so, it's not really

380
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 1: apples to apples when you're talking about salaries for those

381
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: athletes versus the tour athletes. But it also those guys

382
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: in baseball football don't pay their own they don't pay

383
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 1: their expenses, and so now the tour has done that

384
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 1: for them. So they're gonna guarantee their expenses, which is

385
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,199
Speaker 1: I mean, which is great. But if you play fifteen

386
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: events on tour and you don't make five thousand, that

387
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: will probably the last check you get from the PGA tour.

388
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, for as much money as they're playing, you

389
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: better be able to make the half a million dollars

390
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,479
Speaker 1: plan I heard. Yeah, so that's I heard some interesting

391
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: scuttle but about that there there's already some talk like, well,

392
00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 1: what if you're a say Luke Donalds or even a

393
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: Davis Love you have you can cash in your your

394
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 1: career exemptions or whatever. You can play fifteen events, you

395
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: know you're gonna make half a million, not you might

396
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: not make a cut, and but you get to keep

397
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 1: the money. Um, And that there's that's gonna be an

398
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: interesting scenari if anybody try it goes down that road.

399
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: But I do have some insight about sponsorship dollars and

400
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 1: how this is gonna work because I had a very

401
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: enlightening call with someone who's deep into that world. And

402
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, basically there's there's a lot of events now,

403
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 1: like take the Memorial or Riviera. Their purses between eight

404
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: and ten million dollars. They have to go up to

405
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: twenty and the tour is going to split that and

406
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: the sponsors have to come up with the rest. So

407
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: these companies are already paying fifteen million dollars to sponsor

408
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: a tour event, all of a sudden they've got to

409
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: add another five for next year. Now that's great if

410
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: if you know, if you know, you're gonna get all

411
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: the stars, but Memorial already does, right, what's the incentive there?

412
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: So that's a tough sell and it starts next year.

413
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a call went out last night

414
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: to all the sponsors. This is happening. Then you have

415
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: there's there's fifteen events that are are vying for the

416
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: four rotating elevated spots, and they're looking at even an

417
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: even bigger hit. They might be a seven or eight

418
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: million dollar person. They gotta go up to twenty overnight. Um,

419
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: So there's already pushed back from the sponsors that there

420
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: you're right, Michael and Phil Michaelsone's right. The tour has reserves,

421
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: and Monahan said, that's helping to pay for all this.

422
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: But the tour is instantly squeezing it's it's current sponsors,

423
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: and when in already a pretty tough environment. So UM,

424
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: you know that it's quite possible that you'll see a

425
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: couple of sponsors or more defect because if if you

426
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: are one of these second tour events, you're already in

427
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: for twelve or fifteen and now you know you're essentially

428
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: getting a glorified corn ferry field, that becomes that becomes

429
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: a tough sell in some boardrooms. So how this plays

430
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: out on the sponsorship level, again, the fans don't care,

431
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: but it's very important to the business of golf and

432
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: it can certainly drag down the overall PG tour model

433
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: and can affect the product that's on your TV. So

434
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: there there's gonna be a lot of high stakes negotiating

435
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: in Jay Monahan's immediate future because this this is you know,

436
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: we're already the end of August. This is kicking off

437
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: in January, like um, and there's existing deals are gonna

438
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: have to get torn up. There's people who are thinking

439
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: about renewing as far as sponsors go. So that landscape

440
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: has changed very dramatically, and it's gonna be very interesting

441
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: to see if Monahan can thread the needle on this

442
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: over and over. I just think that this brings up

443
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: the whole thing of like how far behind and how

444
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: little the PGA Tour and Jay Monahan took this threat.

445
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: The fact that they're having these conversations with sponsors six

446
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: months after the Lived tour started is insane to me.

447
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: I just this mind bottling, Like how that. I mean,

448
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: they've completely dropped the ball. I just I don't get it.

449
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: So it's just my two cents about it, and I

450
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: don't really know Alan what what can the pg A

451
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: Tour actually sell here? In other words, the Masters is

452
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: the crown jewel of sitting around watching golf on TV

453
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: with your family, and that group is skewing older and

454
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: older by the year, So memorial, you know, get getting

455
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: into summer months and the A, T and T which

456
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: cantraw a field. Uh, how do you get those? I

457
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: don't even have sponsors. Moral now frekim me for not knowing. Um,

458
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: I've worked. I used to be an issuey now it's worked.

459
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: How do you go to a work there. How do

460
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: you go to a T and T and say, yeah,

461
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: I know our our TV numbers are down every year.

462
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: Uh and I know we don't. We don't have that

463
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: many named players. So off you a T and as

464
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: historic as your mentors. Um. Uh, but please pony up

465
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: another ten or fifty million dollars Allen. How do they

466
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: make that? How are they going to sell that? How

467
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: do they actually sell that? It's tough. And you know

468
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: I've used this example before, but you know, Pebble Beach

469
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: is my hometown event and it would get three stars

470
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: every year Dustin Johnson, Phil Mickelson, Jordan's Speeth two out

471
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: of three or now would live. So, um, well, we

472
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: can agree that a lot of the guys who went

473
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: over to live are not in the primes of their careers.

474
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: Their names and the people that you just fans gravitate

475
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: towards them. So you're you're selling You're selling a product

476
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 1: the fewer stars no matter how you slice it, and

477
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: that that's challenging. Um. So yeah, I think the macro

478
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: business is really interesting now, uh Rory, I got some

479
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: intel on this. Like last night at midnight I was

480
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: texting or d M ng with someone who's who's deep

481
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: into this world, that that Tiger and Rory have gone

482
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: down the notion of privatizing the tour and bringing in

483
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: investors under private equity money, which could be a gusher

484
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: of money for the tour. You're into the billions of

485
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: dollars that could easily be raised, and that could float

486
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: all of this and take a lot of pressure away,

487
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: and it would be another way to lavishly compensate the

488
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: top players. You know. Monahan was asked about that today

489
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: in his in his press conference, and he didn't he

490
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: didn't close the door. He said, you know, are our

491
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: nonprofit status is always gonna imporant to identity, but there's

492
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: certainly other ways you can. You can set up for

493
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: profit vehicles um under the tour umbrella. So that's interesting

494
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: because Tiger and Rory have had a number of meetings,

495
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: just the two of them, with this Rain Group, which

496
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: is a big time um, you know, investment company, and

497
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: they've they've been involved in the sports world. They helped

498
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: sell the UFC Ultimate Fighting Championship for four billion dollars,

499
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: and they know what they're doing. These are serious people

500
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: and so and Tiger and Roy are serious and so

501
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: that's still on the table, and that could make a

502
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: lot of the tours money squeeze go away, but it

503
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: would be a fundamental reshaping of the business. So, um,

504
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: that's out there, that's a that's a that's a possibility

505
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: that that lingers. But um, again, what's happening away from

506
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: the golf course is almost warnsing that was happening on

507
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: the golf course right now in golf Um, what was

508
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: I'll shoot that point on what was it like for

509
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: you to be in the room today and see, uh

510
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: I guess Monian came in and then was there a

511
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: break before Rory came in? Or did they were they

512
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: ships passing in the night? Did they bear hug? How

513
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: did that all play out? Because this was a highly

514
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: orchestra left him another hundred as they as they walked

515
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: in another check. Yeah, here's somewhere here some pit money.

516
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: Don't spend it all in one place. Um. No, Rory

517
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: was in the back of the room. You know, they

518
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: didn't schedule in the only game on hand half an

519
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: hour and then Rory was supposed to be there. So

520
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: Rory was standing in the back watching and it was

521
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: it was kind of a cool vibe and I will

522
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: say I didn't mention this at the top, Like this

523
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: little room, this little tent was packed. I mean it

524
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: was standing room only. That really did have the feeling

525
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: of a big event. A lot of tour people, a

526
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: lot of hangers on, a lot of a lot of

527
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: TV folks who ordinarily wouldn't be there, but they wanted to.

528
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: They wanted to listen in and and and see it

529
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: with their own eyes, and um, you know, mon had

530
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: I tried to ask him a few tough questions at

531
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: the end, and he looked a little flum mixed. When

532
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: it was over, he walked out and he went into

533
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: this uh sort of auxiliary is basically where the camera

534
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: guys hang out, I think, and just sat there and

535
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: decompressed and the security want let anybody in. And he

536
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: was watching Rory's press conference, and it was like, how Phil,

537
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, after his rounds he would sit in the

538
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: scoring tent for a long time just to let the

539
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: stress drain out and and let some of the autograph

540
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: seekers dissipate on a hand and stole that move because

541
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people out there who want

542
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: to talk to me, including me, but we got sucked

543
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: into Rory's comments and other things. So he looked a

544
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: little wrung out. Honestly, I mean, I think he knew

545
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: that he has different constituencies he was performing for, obviously

546
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: the reporters in the room, the people who are watching

547
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: live on the Golf Channel, but also the players. You know.

548
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: They put down a marker and basically said, Jay, find

549
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: a way to pay us, like, just get it done.

550
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: You know what we want. We want more money, we

551
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: want guaranteed money, like make it happen. And it was

552
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: a high wire act and you can see the strain

553
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: on mine Hand's face. It was interesting. And if you

554
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: could get if you could give truth serum to j

555
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Mon Hand and pose one question to him, what what

556
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: might it be? Um? I mean, Michael Bamberger will just

557
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: leave the greatest, one of the greatest writers, golf writers

558
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: at our time, speechless. You know, he's just searching in

559
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: his hotel room in Atlanta. He just look and I'm

560
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: just I'm just bailing him out right now. I'm super

561
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: bailing out Allenship as he had no answer for this

562
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: until a word in because he wants stop talking friends. No,

563
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the question is why have you not engaged

564
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: with Greg Norman and Live Golf. Why have you been

565
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: so prideful? How did that benefit your members to not

566
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: even take the phone call? And that's the question I

567
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: want to answer, And you know, if it's interesting, credit

568
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: to Jason sobell Um, one of our typing colleagues. He

569
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: went back and looked at Monahan's press conference from last

570
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: year and there was a question at the end because

571
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: even even in from the Tour Championship, even in August,

572
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: it was kind of bubbling right the Premier Golf. He've

573
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: been kicking around, the staudies were sniffing around, and he

574
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: was asked, you know, do you think a year from now,

575
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: which is today, do you think a year from now

576
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: that any of these rival leagues will be a threat?

577
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: And in Monahan totally blew it off. And whether that

578
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: was that was you know, hubrisk or maybe or did

579
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: he really believe that unknown, but um, you know, and

580
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: I asked Monahan about that. He kind of backpedal and said, well,

581
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: I take everything very seriously. And I was like, well, really,

582
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: you gave the Live guys a huge head start here,

583
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: So um, I would like to know why the commissioner

584
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: did not do his you know, fiduciary duty here, um

585
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: with with a little more enthusiasm at the risk that's

586
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: very interesting on at the risk of playing couch psychologists here,

587
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I think Monahan is to finch them what bit of

588
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: pain was sincere in Atlanta was to Hoodie and uh.

589
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: In other words, Hootie paved the way for Billy Paine,

590
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: and of course Tim Fincham paved the way for Jay Monahan.

591
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Tim Fincham and Greg Norman they locked heads like two

592
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: people never have before in golf and uh and and

593
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: Monahan inherited that that mantle and that mindset from Fincham.

594
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: Whatever Greg Norman stands for, we stand for something else.

595
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: And even though Greg Norman really had quite a good

596
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: idea for just what we're saying today. Actually, and this

597
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: is you know, we talked about Phil just a minute ago,

598
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: but this is a vindication of Norman and from thirty

599
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: years ago as well. Norman said we'd be we need

600
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: the world's best players playing in the same events more

601
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: often than just the four majors. That's exactly what Monahan

602
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: is saying today and with it is exactly what Rory

603
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: is saying today. Um. But as long as Greg Norman

604
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: was the face of this other tour. Saudi money, maybe

605
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit bloody money, that might

606
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: have been part of it. But I think the biggest

607
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: part of it was Norman and Norman's relationship with Fincham.

608
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I think Monahan inherited that that mental Yeah, I mean,

609
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: here were thirty years later, Greg Norman still in the

610
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: middle of all of it. It's incredible, what a legacy. Um.

611
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: But uh, how can I ask you a quick question?

612
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah, I mean you you've written so much

613
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: about Phil and so insightfully. To what degree are today's

614
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: is today's news of vindication of what Phil told you

615
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: in that conversation in February and also broadly what Phil

616
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: has been selling for a long time now to is

617
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: to or brethren. Well, I mean I tweeted this. I

618
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: just it was three words, wrote Phil was right, and

619
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: it was I was being a little cheeky. Um. I

620
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: think you could say he was right. The way he

621
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: held it was probably wrong, but he kind of laid

622
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: all this out there a long time ago for me,

623
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about the reserves of the

624
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: tour was sitting on you know, why hadn't they opened

625
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: the spigot. Why don't the players have more of a voice? Um,

626
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: feel has always been against opposite fields. I mean, his

627
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: vision for the tour is the top thirty guys playing

628
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: five times a year, and that's the whole PGA tour.

629
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: Son of a bitch. It's a personal attack on you, Ryan,

630
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: but that's Phil's thought. And uh so yeah, I mean

631
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: every everything he said has come true. Now. Um, you

632
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: know we have been talking periodically in print and on

633
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: these podcasts. Is there a compromise as our middle ground?

634
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: Norman was always going to be problematic in that scenario,

635
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: but I think, well, the tour has done today is

636
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: taking that off the table. Like we're just gonna try

637
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: and rep the hate to live model without them. We

638
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: don't need their money and we don't need their players,

639
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: and we'll see if that's true. But um, this this

640
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: idea of trying to put the game back together took

641
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: a hit today. And you know, Monahan was asked, is

642
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: there any road back for a live player if they

643
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: if they want to come back to tour and they

644
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: renounced their their status and they beg for mercy, you know,

645
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: would you let him back? And he's like, no, he

646
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: said it with great relish and so you know, I think, uh,

647
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's a river in Italy. I think we've

648
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: crossed the rubicon here and it's gonna be it's gonna

649
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: be years before um before we can we can think

650
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: about some sort of reapproachment, which is unbelievable, but that's

651
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: just where we are. Um, Mac, what is what is

652
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: your thought on that? I mean, if they but if

653
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: they come, yeah, I mean, let's go forward. Like they're

654
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: talking about bringing in you know JP McManus or you know,

655
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Dermot Desmond and Johan Rupert, billionaires that could come in

656
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: like they do on horse racing and everything else, and

657
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: they can come by franchise pieces of the PGA tour

658
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: and it goes for profit and they own you know

659
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: now they just like going in a soccer team or

660
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: a cricket team, they own a golf league. Um yeah

661
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: they I mean, I don't think you can say never

662
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: about anything. I just don't think right now. Everything's reaction

663
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: there and you don't want to believe that you're going

664
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: to bring these guys back. But let's face it, we

665
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: haven't talked about the four majors all of a sudden,

666
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: I haven't heard any talk about not letting live last

667
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: play or not playing. So the four Majors now will

668
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: be the four events that you will see the best

669
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: players in the world participate, supposedly, I mean if the

670
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: world rankings and all that stuff work out. So I

671
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: don't know. I think versus the Live Tour, it's just

672
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: like any other visits the tour. I've said it before.

673
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: The tour was doing great. I think they did wonderful things.

674
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: I think they put on great events. I think they

675
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: did a lot for charity. They didn't have to do

676
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: anything for me, And I think people that play the

677
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: game for a living, and if you know, for love,

678
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: what else would they do except play golf that the

679
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: purses were half, would they still play golf? Yes, they they,

680
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: But now it's just more and more and more, you know.

681
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: I think I brought it up to the Matt Janella.

682
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: I said, you know, the tours saved, the tour lives

683
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. I'm not sure about the DP World Tour,

684
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: um Asian Tour is gonna be fine. But who's gonna

685
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: save golf. Who's gonna save golf? And everybody saved their

686
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: businesses now, But this is a game that you can

687
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: be Ian Baker Finch winning the British one day and

688
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: a year later not being able to hit it in

689
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: a forty acre field. We see this happen all the time.

690
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: There's injuries, there's the landscape. I mean, when Jack retired

691
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: from the tour, of the tour did fine when Jack,

692
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: when Watson retired, when Norman left, when even when Tiger left,

693
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: the tour was doing just fine. We find more people

694
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: to pull for, we find more players. So I don't

695
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: I think, like I said, I think this was just

696
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: an overreach. I think they didn't need to do it.

697
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: The guys that were gonna stay, we're gonna stay, and

698
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: the guys are gonna go, we're gonna go. And and

699
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: if it got down the money, I had to let

700
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: him go. Um, I said in Boise last week of

701
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: the thing, I said, you know, to a tour person,

702
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: I just said, I don't get it. What do you

703
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: let them go? Like, Let's see what happens and then

704
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: you can So I mean, I don't think you can

705
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: say never about these guys not coming back, because if

706
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: you tell me somebody of Tiger Woods status was out there,

707
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: let's say that. I don't know who would be Brooks

708
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: kept if he becomes if he wins the Masters, or

709
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: he wins all these tournaments, that would you bring him

710
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: back in to help your TV dollars? Yeah, you have to. Yeah,

711
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: I think Jay is I mean Jay is Uh has

712
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: drawn this line in the sand and he can't really

713
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: go back on it now. But if he leaves in

714
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: one year or five years or whatever that number is,

715
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the next person and ten guys are over there,

716
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: they just have to There's no I mean, it's the

717
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: cart and I r l for the race fans out there.

718
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: Everybody came back together eventually, and the Indianapolis five hundred

719
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: is now the Indianapolis five hundreds that it always was.

720
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: And so you know, I mean there's just no way

721
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: that if they all, if they live tour died tomorrow,

722
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: that the PGA Tour wouldn't wouldn't let all those guys back.

723
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's not gonna happen. But it's

724
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: not going to die tomorrow. I mean on on Monday

725
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: and five days they're gonna poach you know a half

726
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: dozen or more PGA Tour members. Like he's not dying,

727
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: it's it's ramping up. So that that's where it gets

728
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: interesting because it remains a very real and viable threat

729
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: to the PGA tour. This is a this is a

730
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: total sidebar, but I think Will's ella Tooris's injury is

731
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: a benefit to the live tour and guaranteed money, Like

732
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: there's a possibility. I don't know anything. I have no

733
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: inside information whatsoever, but back injuries and player and and

734
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: golfers are are very serious. He's obviously an up and comer.

735
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: If that's a very serious back injury and he's out

736
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: a year and never really gets back to where he was,

737
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: like he probably would have wanted to take on a

738
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: million from the Lift Tour, like he's not. I just anyway,

739
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: it's total total Anthony Kim to that exactly. Yeah, it's

740
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: no Anthony Kim was fart enough to have disability insurance,

741
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but he also had the driver yips.

742
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: That's an untold part of the story. But you're right,

743
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean already the alt tours, they didn't say what

744
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: they didn't say what injury could injury as a person

745
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: with the chipping yips. That's a very very serious injury.

746
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: It's worse than whatever injury he had back to the

747
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: question that you asked, you know, who's gonna save golf here?

748
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, with all due respect to Sam Burns, who's

749
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: an incredible talent, but Sam Burns could walk in the

750
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: Mall of American Minneapolis for a week and three people

751
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: would recognize him. So I don't believe Sam Burns now

752
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: or ever is going to save golf. Uh. Tiger Woods

753
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: was incredibly powerful force in the Gulf. He almost saved golf.

754
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: But the one thing that can act really save golf

755
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: is of course golf itself. Because as we fore, no

756
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: and everybody else who's listening to this thing, it's a

757
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: great game. It's an enigmatic, difficult game, and it has

758
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: tremendous fan interest, and it's got more now potentially than

759
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: it ever has before because of the pandemic. I don't

760
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: know the numbers others would, but I would think millions

761
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: of people, certainly hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, have been

762
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: drawn to golf during this pandemic, have taken it up,

763
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: and they are interested in Sam Burns and Wills allot

764
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: tours and they are going to support the tour and

765
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: the tour or Live Golf or the Asian Tour or

766
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: your corn ferry tour run or any bills can figure

767
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: out how to get those people engaged, they may be

768
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: onto something, which is a segue to Alan, if you

769
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: don't mind me going here now. But Alan's take first

770
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: the phrase of the moment Stadium golf. Alan, what does

771
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: the phrase mean? I've never heard until today? And how

772
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: does this play out? Right? That was a sort of

773
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: funny non sequitur of this announcement of this new uh

774
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: enterprise that Rory and Tiger have teams up on. And

775
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: it's going to be on Monday night. It's gonna be

776
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: team play. It's this indoor golf league on simulators with

777
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: a live audience. I mean to me, it sounds a

778
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: little like a dreadful product, but uh, it may be

779
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: your only chance to watch Tiger Wood swing a golf club.

780
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: It's certainly not the wear and terror of walking eight

781
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: miles and and hanging lies and all that, so Tiger

782
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: will draw some eyeballs initially. But um, it's tech infused,

783
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: which is like my favorite new phrase, like, hey, how

784
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: you doing well? I'm I'm tech infused today. But um,

785
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: like I don't know, it's it's just another way Jame

786
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: on hand called his entire role the decks and was like, hey,

787
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: Tiger and Rory are starting this thing. I know nothing

788
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: about it, but I need you to invest in it.

789
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean, and they're gonna you know, they're

790
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: gonna try and pick That sounds stupid. Yeah, can you

791
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: just write a big check to these people so they

792
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: stay poleased, not even in a state of it's like

793
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: an indoor sound stage, like you know, it's fake stadium.

794
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Not true. There aren't paying There aren't

795
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: paying fans watching on the scene. There will be fans,

796
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: but I'm saying they're not tens and thousands of them. No,

797
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like this is gonna be like, you know,

798
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: no warehouse, so it's gonna be in the studio. Yeah. Yeah,

799
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the grandeur of an actual stadium. It's

800
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: just um to me. It's like a totally bizarre product.

801
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it'll be cool.

802
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: It's certainly five iron golf and top golf, and people

803
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: consume the game in many different ways now, and but

804
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: that's so experienceual. I don't know. If you want to

805
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: watch someone else do it, I don't know. But that

806
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: was another part of this announcement. But to me, what

807
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: significant about it is is the strengthening alliance between Tiger

808
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: and Rory. They have come together to try and save

809
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour and by extension, golf, and the fact

810
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: that they wrote a check and they became partners in

811
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: this means something just like it's it's meaningful that there

812
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: are the two guys who have sat down with rain

813
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: group and try to figure out another way for the

814
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: tour to move forward. Is a totally different business. And

815
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, Tiger's the needle, we know that, but his

816
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: playing days are basically over. He needs Rory. Yeah, and

817
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: he's like his foot soldier. He's Roy' the guy was

818
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: out on tour. He's very accessible, he's the one who's

819
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: talking to players, he's organizing things, and so together they're

820
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: a very powerful force in a way that Tiger could

821
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: not do it alone. So while this this cheesy indoor

822
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: golf thing is gonna lead to a lot of fun

823
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: golf Twitter content, um, what it means is that Tiger

824
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: and Rory are invested in each other. And you know,

825
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: Tiger and Field could never quite get there. They were

826
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: they were too close in age, they had too much

827
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: bad blood and history, and you know, they did a

828
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: couple of made for TV things and that's all gone away. Um,

829
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: so I think it has a larger meaning that that's

830
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: very significant at this very fraught moment where Tiger and

831
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: Roy together are really the face and the voice and

832
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: and the conscience of the PGA tour. And and you

833
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: allude to it. And you know, I remember standing in

834
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: a small group under the under the tree with the

835
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: Chip Brewer from Callaowe Golf. You know, it could have

836
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: been ten years ago now, and a couple of s

837
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: I business people, and he was telling us about this

838
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: thing called top golf and I'm like, yeah, that'll work. Well,

839
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: that has worked and uh, you know, uh, who knows

840
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: what young people want, but this may be exactly what

841
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: they want, you know. And you were telling me Mac Mac.

842
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: You're Mac Mac. You're telling me the other day how

843
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: cricket has read you know, I don't follow this, but

844
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: I think Mac, you do, how cricket has redefined the

845
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: Test match in India and other countries, and how that

846
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: has uh promoted interest in the game. Yeah. Absolutely. Um,

847
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Like I say, I don't I think we need a

848
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: fourteen year old on here to ask about what's he

849
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna think about Tiger hitting into a stimulator. Um, the

850
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: DP World Tour just had a Monday qualifier, Monday qualifier

851
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: ish played on a simulator and why who qualified? It's

852
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: it's absolutely wild. Uh it was. It was a worldwide qualifier,

853
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: four rounds on a simulator. And the man who want

854
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: it I cannot pronounce his name is from Montenegro and

855
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: it will be the first player from Montenegro to uh

856
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: play on an European Tour event. Side note, I can't

857
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: find a thing on the guy it's gonna shoot nine,

858
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: but he did. He did qualify via virtual golf. Well,

859
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be real. I think that's the case. Yeah,

860
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean we all decry that the game is the

861
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: fan base is getting older, and we need we need

862
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: younger fans, we need we need to make golf cooler.

863
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: So we're being a little snobby. Or maybe these are

864
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: great ideas, maybe they'll take off and maybe they'll bring

865
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: in the young fans of golf needs. So we'll try

866
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: and have an open mind here. But um, there's a

867
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: little little scent of desperation on all of this. I mean,

868
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: as you say, Michael that the timeless appeal the game

869
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: is what holds us all together. But and Ryan, you've

870
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: probably detected this as well, like I'm getting this comment

871
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: on Twitter more and more like I'm done with the

872
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: pro golf. You know, I'm not gonna watch you where

873
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play with my buddies. And that's a

874
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: little problematic if those are your hardcore fans who are

875
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: saying that. And um U. A corrollary to that is

876
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: people are offended by the money, like, oh, it's it's

877
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: too much money. I'm out. It's like, well, you watch

878
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: the NBA and a lot of guys are making fifty

879
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: million dollars. You watch. You know, money is has been

880
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: all over pro sports forever, but people the golf and

881
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: seems to be offended by the money all of a sudden.

882
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: So it's we're all having to reconcile with this new

883
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: what this new reality. What I struggle with. I rarely

884
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: try to be this serious guy on this on this podcast,

885
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: but uh, what I struggle with is I've used social

886
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: media and sports in my in my life to get

887
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: away from real life, right, get away from politics, and

888
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: get away from the stresses of the day. And the

889
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: in fighting and we can debate whether you know, uh,

890
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: Jack or Tiger is the great I'm not talking about

891
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: debates like that, but just sports was always and and

892
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: I try to use social media as that too. Is

893
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: like my outlet from the quote unquote real world, right,

894
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: we can don't go watch the news and that's real

895
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: ship going on. So that is my frustration was where

896
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: golf is. I think a lot of people are the

897
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: same as like that line is blurred and combined to

898
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: get Now it's impossible you can't have a conversation about

899
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: golf without it being political, and that part is frustrating

900
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: for me. And I hope that at one point that

901
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: that is is, you know, dies down and we can

902
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: just talk about who is the greatest Tiger or Jack,

903
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: or we can have whatever debate we want to have

904
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: without this you know, let's let's just talk about golf.

905
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: So that's the frustrating part with me, and I think

906
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: Allen and what you were alluding to and what I

907
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: sent on social media is that too. Everybody's kind of

908
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: tired of all this ship and it just started. Well,

909
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: there's some there's some other things that you know that

910
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: people don't realize so caddies, uh make between five, seven

911
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: and ten of the purse winnings. Um. I mean caddies

912
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: now could be making an amazing amount of money if

913
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: you're the right. Um. People have deals with their trainers,

914
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: their teachers. They're psychologists that not only pay a fee,

915
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: that pay a percentage of earnings. Um. It'll be interesting

916
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: to see if the players go and renegotiate with caddies

917
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: and try to drop it winner and say ten percent

918
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: down to five, you know, kind of say you know

919
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: that there's no reason you should be making you know,

920
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: four million dollars a year working for me. Um. Is

921
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: there not only a players union? Is there a chance

922
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: that the caddies unionize? Um? There's when money like this

923
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: starts flowing around, it flows down. And so now instructors

924
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: that we're getting three percent of their players earnings and

925
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: that's how they were paid that three percent. Does the

926
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: player gon go to the coach and say, you know,

927
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna pay two because I mean, you're

928
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: not doing anything different for all this money I'm making.

929
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that are going to come

930
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: from this that we attending. Consequences that we haven't seen

931
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: yet and every day I find another one. Right, I mean,

932
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some there's gonna be some silly stuff.

933
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: Alan cam Smith, what any new intelligence? And whether he's

934
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: staying or going He's gone, he's gone. Wow, Hey Deckie,

935
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: I think he's staying. Okay, But as the International President's

936
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: Cup team going to be terrible. Holy, it might be

937
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: twenty one to nothing. It's gonna be the Vice President's Cup. Holy,

938
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: that team was gonna be bad. Uh. Aaron and I

939
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: were looking at the list. Yeah, the next man up,

940
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: the next man up. None of you have ever heard

941
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: of that are listening to this? Okay. M J. Duffy,

942
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: who is a Monday qualifier, played his entire life on

943
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: the corn Ferry Tour so far is twenty six on

944
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: the clip. Internationally, he might make the team. What countries

945
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: from He's from South Africa and he qualifies. I mean,

946
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: I cannot explain if no one cared about the President's

947
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Cup before. Holy moly. They have got to start adding

948
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: countries or something, and they might just split up the

949
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: American team and be like, you know what, Will's electors

950
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: with a bed bag probably better than your worst players.

951
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: So why don't you go over there like, yeah, like

952
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: everyone silth of the Mason Dixon line, go play for

953
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: the internationals. Um yeah, if you're born west of Idaho,

954
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: you are now part of the international team. Uh yeah.

955
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: So it was funny. I've I've been trying to get

956
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: an audience with the Commissioner one on one for a

957
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: long time, and uh I finally cornered him out there

958
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: today after his press conference and he said yes. He's like, well,

959
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: I'll do it at the President's cup. He's like, you

960
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: gotta come to the president's cup. Was like, well, I

961
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of I got plans that we He's like, no,

962
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: you're coming to the president. If that doesn't sum up

963
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: where the presidents come up, it's like it's like they're

964
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: bribing you for a sit down to come to the president.

965
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: I take that, Yeah exactly, I take that for insight.

966
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: How quick and smart Jay Monahan is that That was

967
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: the first response. Yeah, yeah, at the President's cup. I

968
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: was like, how about Nafa, He's like, you're coming to

969
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: the President's cup. Like dang, all right, I guess we'll

970
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: go to the presidents. So we'll see that subject to negotiation.

971
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: But anyway, no unintended consequences that that's gonna be the

972
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: name of this podcast. You just gave me the name Mac.

973
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: I always have to come with the titles, which can

974
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: be challenging. But we are. We are waiting into some

975
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: murky waters here. It's gonna be fascinating to see how

976
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: it all plays out. I will predict this will not

977
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: be the last time we'll get together and talk about

978
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: all this stuff because it's uh, there's so much to

979
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: get our arms around. But anyone have any final thoughts

980
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: where we release our listeners? What what was the room

981
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: like when it was over? Alan, what you know, Harrigan,

982
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: Doug Ferguson and some of the guys who some of

983
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: the people have you know, covered the scam for a

984
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: long time. What would you pick up from the mood

985
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: of the president? Yeah, and I've spent some time on

986
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: social media today too. I think the general consensus is

987
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: finally the tour is punching back. You know, ever since

988
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: Live launched, they've been completely on the defensive. They've been

989
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: hemorrhaging players, they've been getting pillar read it um. You know,

990
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: Monahans tried all these different arguments, whether it's the moral

991
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: argument or maybe it was the legacy argument. They didn't stick.

992
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: The players still took off, and so I think there's

993
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: a sense like, Okay, this might not be the greatest idea,

994
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: but at least it's an idea. At least they're trying.

995
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: At least they're mobilizing resources and star power. So I

996
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: think I think the tour one that the news cycle,

997
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: if you will, that's always I think in politics. Um,

998
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, the headlines are we're taking care of our guys,

999
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: our stars are gonna play more, We're we're aligned, and

1000
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: those are important messages. Now the devils and the details.

1001
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: We'll see how all this comes to fruition. But I

1002
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: think the general feeling in the room was all right, Okay,

1003
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: here we go, and uh so it's it's not it's

1004
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, the cannonballs are to keep getting shot back

1005
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: and forth between the pirate ships here, like, well, we'll

1006
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: see what happens. But um, I think for today, I mean,

1007
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: Lives Lives response to today was Lives response today was

1008
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: trying out eleven time Grammy winner, still in the blank.

1009
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah that they sent out a three go ahead, no,

1010
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: no go ahead, great, no dipplo is great. That's what

1011
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But where where's dipplo rank on the international

1012
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: he might be on the team. They might be on

1013
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: the team, the entire team. The I just looked up

1014
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: the points list and Dipplot he'll be on the But uh,

1015
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: the the the the response by Live like just trolling

1016
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: each other. It's I mean, it's it's it's like a

1017
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: Saturday night Lives get at this point, it's insane. Can

1018
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: I make one quick side now here? And I'm still

1019
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: in this from Mac. Mac has made the observation over

1020
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: the years that you know, guys get tour, they start

1021
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: playing good, they start making a name for themselves, to

1022
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: get on the tour policy board of the pack or

1023
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: this committee or that committed they come politicians and they

1024
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: never played the same Rory McIlroy at thirty three, which

1025
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: for Hogan, I know that's a million years ago. You know,

1026
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: it was the prime of his career. Um is so

1027
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: involved in other in things other than getting the ball

1028
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: into the hole in the few strokes possible. Uh. I

1029
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: know he's smart, and I know he knows what he's doing,

1030
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: and I know he's his own person. He thinks for himself.

1031
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: But I think this is a lot for a guy

1032
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: who's trying to win the career Grand Slam to manage. Well,

1033
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: there's a friend of Minam Derek Smith's. He said that

1034
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: talent minus talent minus distractions equals performance and it holds

1035
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: true in every shape of the way. I always said,

1036
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: if you know, Davis was on like five different policy

1037
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: boards on the tour, and you know, always said that

1038
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: if he would have just been selfish like Tiger and

1039
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: not ever got involved with that, Tiger may have been

1040
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: Jason Davis. Um And I used to have a rule

1041
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: with all my clients that you can get on the

1042
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: policy board the year diggers getting off of it because

1043
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: the performance of people that get on that and become

1044
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: inundated with other things other than getting the ball in

1045
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: the whole. I don't know what the record of wins

1046
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: on people and policy boards while they were on it,

1047
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: but it's I don't think it's good. So you're you're right, Michael. Well, Michael,

1048
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, we always have this kind of like mind meld,

1049
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: and so I was thinking about that too. So I

1050
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: actually asked Roy that today and I said, is it

1051
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: is it depleting or energizing being you know, this advocate?

1052
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: He said, well, when you get stuff done, Um, it

1053
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: feels good and it energizes you, he's like, But when

1054
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: it drags and drags and nothing comes of it, He's like,

1055
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: then it's a heavy burden. So I think today Rory

1056
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: is feeling good. I think I think he really probably

1057
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: feels like he affected some change here that's gonna help

1058
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: him and a lot of other players. But um, I

1059
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: think some heavy days are in front of him. So

1060
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's release to listeners. But this was

1061
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: a good conversation, and no one second. I have a

1062
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: real quick I'm very lucky to be on this podcast,

1063
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: like I really do. Like I'm with a player agent

1064
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: and two of my uh people that I've read my

1065
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: entire life. And uh Jake, our producer, sent me a

1066
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: text as we were sitting here and I just said

1067
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: wrap it up. And I just said, kiss my fucking ass.

1068
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: We're not wrapping it up. So uh, I would love

1069
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: to I love to listen to you guys. I'm lucky

1070
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. So I told Jake

1071
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: to kiss my ask you guys, go as long as

1072
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: you want. Well, we're gonna we're gonna yield to Jake.

1073
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: I think he's a wise man, So all right, this

1074
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: is Alan Schipak ending another Fire Drill podcast. Belatedly that

1075
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: was Michael Bamberger, Ryan Friends, Mac Barnhart. Thank you for listening.

1076
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: We will be back in your ear soon. Um signing

1077
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: off from a very eventful day at the tor Championship

1078
00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: and beyond. Goodbye again. I played the wind, made a fortune,

1079
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: win my shot game. Man. I ran the table, never

1080
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: thought I could fall down. The wintertime hit me like

1081
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: a cannon ball, and now I can't shape this losing

1082
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: the stream. Every road I take is a dead end stream.

1083
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: I got thoughts in my head, can't get him out,

1084
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: trying not to think what I'm thinking about. I got

1085
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: thoughts in my head, can't get him out, and trying

1086
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: not to think what I'm thinking about