WEBVTT - Episode 5: The Wife

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hey, it's Jake. I hope you enjoyed our season

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<v Speaker 1>The Truth about Sarah. We'll be having a live event

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<v Speaker 1>later this year. It's going to be a conversation between

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<v Speaker 1>me and my co host Jess McHugh, and we want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from you too. What questions do you have

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<v Speaker 1>for us about this season? Send your questions to deep

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<v Speaker 1>Cover at pushkin dot fm. That's deep Cover All one

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<v Speaker 1>word at Pushkin dot fm and stay tuned for more

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<v Speaker 1>details on this event heads up. In this episode, there

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<v Speaker 1>are references to suicidal ideation and sexual abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Previously on Deep Cover. The chief of VA Police called me.

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<v Speaker 3>And said, hey, you know, I think we might have

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<v Speaker 3>a problem with an employee.

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<v Speaker 4>What immediately occurred to me was that as soon as

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<v Speaker 4>I told her I'd cancer, even though she was telling

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<v Speaker 4>me it was okay, in the back of her mind

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<v Speaker 4>she was thinking, I can take advantage of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you realize that Sarah used to bill one of

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<v Speaker 2>your mother's bills from Dana Farmer? And I said no,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so afraid, right, I was so so afraid,

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<v Speaker 3>not because I thought it was illegal, not because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>thinking I'm going to go to prison, but because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>they are not going to be my friends anymore. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not going to have these people in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>One detail that's often overlooked in this story, Sarah Kavanaugh

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<v Speaker 1>was married. She had a wife, a woman named Nicole.

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<v Speaker 5>For us, Nicole was kind of the black box in

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<v Speaker 5>this story, the person who might hold the key to

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<v Speaker 5>understanding Sarah, because no matter who Sarah pretended to be

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<v Speaker 5>in public, she was coming home to Nicole most nights,

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<v Speaker 5>to the cozy little house they shared in East Granwitch

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<v Speaker 5>Trode Island. It's a charming cape with a steep gabled

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<v Speaker 5>roof and dormer windows and the flowering dogwood in the

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<v Speaker 5>front yard.

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<v Speaker 1>And we wondered what went on in that home, What

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<v Speaker 1>did Nicole know, when did she know it? And did

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<v Speaker 1>she see a side of Sarah that the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Nicole is an intensely private person. She never talked to

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<v Speaker 5>the press or investigators, never made a statement, just kept quiet.

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<v Speaker 5>We wrote her letter, and to our surprise, she called

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<v Speaker 5>us and invited us to her house for an interview.

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<v Speaker 1>When we met, I did something I don't usually do.

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<v Speaker 1>I just asked her, Why did you agree to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to us?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I asked myself that question several times before I

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<v Speaker 6>called you. I know a lot of people are curious,

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<v Speaker 6>and I don't have an obligation to share, but I

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<v Speaker 6>do think that it means something to me that the

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<v Speaker 6>story is told in whole, in full, and not part way.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to take a deep dive into Sarah and

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<v Speaker 5>Nichole's house, the place where their lives converged, and the pats.

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<v Speaker 2>They both took to get there.

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<v Speaker 5>Sarah's path was fraught, complicated, and full of hidden struggles,

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<v Speaker 5>struggles that would re emerge and eventually lead to the

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<v Speaker 5>moment when federal agents came knocking.

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<v Speaker 6>Picked up the phone just to check my messages, and

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<v Speaker 6>that she said, you need to come home. The FBI

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<v Speaker 6>is here. That's when I knew it was that fast.

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<v Speaker 6>I had nothing until I had that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jake Halper and I'm Jess Mchughe and this is

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Cover, Season six, The Truth About Sarah Episode five,

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<v Speaker 1>The Wife.

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<v Speaker 5>Or interview with Nicole came with a disclaimer.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of things that I frankly, I just

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<v Speaker 6>don't know if what I was told or what I

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<v Speaker 6>know is even true. So I can definitely speak to

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<v Speaker 6>my perspective on things of what I understood to be

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<v Speaker 6>true at the time that I was living in But

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<v Speaker 6>I have found out along the way that there are

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<v Speaker 6>things that I thought were true that just aren't.

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<v Speaker 5>It struck me that she was basically questioning her own

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<v Speaker 5>perception of reality, and this we came to learn is

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<v Speaker 5>where Nicole's mind still is still spinning, still grasping for

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<v Speaker 5>traction on the solid truth we told her we get it.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's start from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole grew up in New Mexico, but moved to New

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<v Speaker 1>England in her late twenties. She's out doorsy, just like Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the two of them connected online, one of

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<v Speaker 1>their first dates was a hike. They met at Lincoln Woods,

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<v Speaker 1>a park with rugged hills, treeline train and a tranquil pond.

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<v Speaker 6>I just remember it being falling, you know, the leaves

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<v Speaker 6>here in the fall are gorgeous, and it was nice

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<v Speaker 6>out that day, and she and I always just had

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<v Speaker 6>really good conversation and connection. It was easy. She's very

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<v Speaker 6>easy to talk to, you know, just made you feel

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<v Speaker 6>like you're the only person there.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole says, Sarah was just very in tune. Those were

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<v Speaker 1>her words. Sarah presented herself to Nicole as a native

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<v Speaker 1>New Englander with a brother and two divorced parents. All true.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way. She said she worked as a mental

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<v Speaker 1>health professional, also true.

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<v Speaker 6>So I understood that she was a basically a social

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<v Speaker 6>worker at the via got it.

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<v Speaker 5>And at that point did she tell you that she

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<v Speaker 5>was a veteran or No?

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<v Speaker 6>No, she never told me she was a veteran. Not ever.

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<v Speaker 5>Sarah and Nicole became close quickly, and after about a

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<v Speaker 5>year or so, they bought a home together that cozy

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<v Speaker 5>little I told you about in East Greenwich. Nicole says

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<v Speaker 5>that moving in was a big deal and that Sarah

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<v Speaker 5>had certain expectations.

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<v Speaker 6>One thing that she was big on was she didn't

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<v Speaker 6>want to be roommates forever, which can happen to people,

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<v Speaker 6>especially same sex couples. And she was like very adamant

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<v Speaker 6>that she didn't want that kind of relationship. She wanted

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<v Speaker 6>a committed love relationship, not roommate relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>So on their first night in their new home, Nicole

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<v Speaker 5>had a little surprise waiting for Sarah.

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<v Speaker 6>I had her like take a bath, and then I

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<v Speaker 6>put out a bunch of candles leading to the back

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<v Speaker 6>deck and roses. So when she got out of the bath,

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<v Speaker 6>I led her downstairs, so she was all relaxed and

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<v Speaker 6>comfy and proposed at the house on the first day

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<v Speaker 6>that we moved in, so we didn't spend any night

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<v Speaker 6>in that house that we weren't engaged.

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<v Speaker 5>A year later, they got married in Vermont. You may

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<v Speaker 5>recall Sarah's Jim Buddies helped arrange the wedding. Red barn birch,

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<v Speaker 5>pergola flowers and maple syrup buckets, the whole Eddie Bauer vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>The pictures from that day are radiant. Nicole in her

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<v Speaker 1>crisp white dress, looks lovingly at Sarah and her soft

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<v Speaker 1>ivory gown. In one shot, they waved at the camera playfully.

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<v Speaker 1>In another, they sway together on the dance floor, arms

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<v Speaker 1>around each other with the warmth of summer light casting

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<v Speaker 1>soft shadows. Sarah and Nicole were now a married couple,

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<v Speaker 1>but according to Nicole, they continued to live independent lives.

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<v Speaker 1>They had different hobbies and different friend groups. Nicole was

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<v Speaker 1>into softball and was in a serious travel league, off

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<v Speaker 1>and away on the weekends, and Sarah was working for

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<v Speaker 1>veteran organizations and had to travel for that. At least

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<v Speaker 1>that's what she told Nicole, and yet living independent lives

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to work for them. This doesn't seem totally weird

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<v Speaker 1>to me, by the way. I've been together with my

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<v Speaker 1>wife for twenty eight years, and one of the main

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<v Speaker 1>reasons our marriage still works is that we know how

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<v Speaker 1>to give each other space. We have our own interests,

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<v Speaker 1>our own realms. But let's face it, marriages are rarely

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<v Speaker 1>as tidy as we imagine. They're messy by nature, and

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<v Speaker 1>no one stays perfectly within their own lanes, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>children enter the picture. And for Sarah and Nicole, it

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<v Speaker 1>was precisely this issue children that forced some very hard choices.

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<v Speaker 5>Nicole told us that she and Sarah had been planning

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<v Speaker 5>to have kids, but then about two years after their wedding,

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<v Speaker 5>things took a turn. Sarah came up home and told

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<v Speaker 5>Nicole she had brain cancer, which is horrible, right catastrophic,

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<v Speaker 5>but initially it wasn't. Actually the doctor said it was treatable.

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<v Speaker 5>Nicole heard all of this, by the way, secondhand from Sarah.

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<v Speaker 5>She didn't attend any of the oncology appointments. Since Sarah

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<v Speaker 5>had been diagnosed during COVID, when patients were generally going

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<v Speaker 5>to the hospital alone. Nicole says that Sarah tried to

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<v Speaker 5>keep things upbeat. They nicknamed the tumor her brain buddy,

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<v Speaker 5>and apparently the buddy didn't seem to be getting any bigger.

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<v Speaker 5>So despite the bad news, they pressed ahead with their

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<v Speaker 5>plans to have a baby.

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<v Speaker 6>We were gonna like do in vitro fertilization and I

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<v Speaker 6>was going to carry. I had been to the doctor

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<v Speaker 6>several times, like I'd been through some procedures. They're checking out,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, my system here to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 6>were good to go. So I had a doctor's appointment

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<v Speaker 6>that I was going to go to, which would have

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<v Speaker 6>been the final like sign off before the actual event.

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<v Speaker 6>So I remember the day before the appointment, she said,

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<v Speaker 6>I think you should pause on the appointment because I

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<v Speaker 6>have this doctor's appointment and I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 6>going to go well. And I was like, okay, what's

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<v Speaker 6>going on. She made it sound like that we need

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<v Speaker 6>to wait because this might be really serious.

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<v Speaker 5>Soon after this, Sarah tells Nicole that the cancer has

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<v Speaker 5>gotten much worse, possibly terminal, which changed everything.

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<v Speaker 6>It flips into you know, you take care of your

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<v Speaker 6>significant other, like now, I'm just like that's on pause

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<v Speaker 6>and okay, we can pick that up later. What's going

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<v Speaker 6>on with you?

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<v Speaker 5>Their plans to expand their family were put on hold.

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<v Speaker 5>Nicole pursued a promotion at work, thinking the extra money

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<v Speaker 5>would help as the medical bills piled up. Meanwhile, Sarah

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<v Speaker 5>arranged for in home support from a specialist trained to

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<v Speaker 5>work with people with traumatic brain injuries, someone who came

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<v Speaker 5>multiple times a week. What Nicole didn't know was that

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<v Speaker 5>the Wounded Warrior Project was paying for this. I interviewed

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<v Speaker 5>that person, the specialist she helped Sarah for years, thinking

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<v Speaker 5>Sarah had a brain injury while also battling cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>But even while taking.

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<v Speaker 5>This help, she still kept her wife Nicole, at a distance.

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<v Speaker 6>She didn't involve me, Like, she wouldn't involve me, She

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't lean on me. She was like, I do this

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<v Speaker 6>on my own. I don't want you to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 6>Anytime I tried to talk with her about it, She's

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<v Speaker 6>just like, I can't, I don't want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 6>So it was very it was something that separated us.

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<v Speaker 6>She didn't lean into me, she leaned away.

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<v Speaker 5>When it came time for Sarah's doctor's appointments. Even after

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<v Speaker 5>COVID restrictions were lifted, Sarah was explicit she didn't want

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<v Speaker 5>I want Nicole to be there. Nicole says she was hurt,

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<v Speaker 5>but she didn't really feel like she had the right

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<v Speaker 5>to express her frustration.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you gonna blame the spouse with cancer? Like, what

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<v Speaker 6>do you you know is she's having a hard time

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<v Speaker 6>coping with it and is choosing to withdraw, Then you

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<v Speaker 6>know that's it's kind I chopped it up to that, like,

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<v Speaker 6>when she's ready for me to support her, she'll allow

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<v Speaker 6>me to support her, and I'm just going to keep

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<v Speaker 6>being here until she's ready. That's how I rationalized it.

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<v Speaker 1>What Nicole didn't know at the time was that, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah was living a double life. When she traveled for

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<v Speaker 1>veteran events, she was sometimes attending all expense paid retreats

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<v Speaker 1>posing as a war hero. When she was out with

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<v Speaker 1>her veteran buddies, she was playing the role of the

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<v Speaker 1>VFW commander, And when she went away on her own

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes she was actually with Sam, the physical therapist whom

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<v Speaker 1>she'd become romantically involved with. The whole thing was bound

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<v Speaker 1>to unravel and then one day it did. When Nicole

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<v Speaker 1>got the call, the call that the FBI was at

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<v Speaker 1>her house, she hopped in her car and rushed home.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a ton of black SUVs and a ambulance

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<v Speaker 6>and cop cars and all kinds of vehicles in the road,

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<v Speaker 6>So I like park down the street. You have to

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<v Speaker 6>do like a walk of shame to get to my house.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody's like looking, and I'm like, I don't know, guys,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what's happening.

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<v Speaker 5>Nicole arrived home to find an FBI agents her doorstep.

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<v Speaker 5>The agent explained that Sarah had threatened to harm herself

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<v Speaker 5>and needed to be taken to the hospital, but Sarah

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<v Speaker 5>had refused to go without Nicole, so Nicole hopped back

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<v Speaker 5>in her car and followed the ambulance to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't matter what else is happening in that moment.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't really know, but I'll get the facts whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll get home later and we'll figure it out. You

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<v Speaker 6>just go into like take care of your significant other mode.

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<v Speaker 6>The most important thing is, like she's getting into an ambulance,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna go.

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<v Speaker 5>After a long way to the hospital, they cleared Sarah,

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<v Speaker 5>determining she wasn't an immediate danger to herself. Sarah was

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<v Speaker 5>allowed to leave the coal and the two returned home

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<v Speaker 5>together in Nicole's car.

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<v Speaker 6>It was silent. It was just silent. I said, what's

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<v Speaker 6>going on? It was quiet for a long time. I

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<v Speaker 6>just waited for her to answer. I don't have answers.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll wait until you answer.

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<v Speaker 5>Eventually, Sarah vaguely admitted to lying about some things mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>she might be in trouble. Understatement of the century. By

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<v Speaker 5>the way Nicole's head was spinning.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm trying to be gentle in the way of you

0:16:31.236 --> 0:16:33.996
<v Speaker 6>have somebody who's struggling with some mental health stuff in

0:16:33.996 --> 0:16:37.876
<v Speaker 6>this moment right now, but I also need to know

0:16:37.916 --> 0:16:40.436
<v Speaker 6>what's going on, and I need her to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 6>I said directly to her, do you have cancer? And

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<v Speaker 6>she said yes, and I was like okay.

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<v Speaker 1>When they arrived back home, the cop cars are all gone.

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<v Speaker 1>The neighbors are back in their homes and their quiet

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<v Speaker 1>New England Street is once again a quiet New England Street.

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<v Speaker 6>We walk in the house is a disaster. The drawers

0:17:11.636 --> 0:17:14.636
<v Speaker 6>are all pulled out and things are knocked over and

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<v Speaker 6>things like that. They didn't break anything, but it's a mess,

0:17:17.996 --> 0:17:21.716
<v Speaker 6>and we didn't keep our house messy. So it's like

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<v Speaker 6>was startling.

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<v Speaker 1>As they're picking up the mess, Nicole's mind keeps returning

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<v Speaker 1>to the cancer because if there's one thing that she

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be true, it's that It's why she took

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<v Speaker 1>the promotion, worked the extra hours, built up their savings,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the cancer that in a way helped

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<v Speaker 1>explain why Sarah had been struggling so much, why she'd

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<v Speaker 1>been so distant, and most of all, it was the

0:17:49.796 --> 0:17:53.396
<v Speaker 1>cancer that prompted them to postpone their plans to have kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And so as they're cleaning up, she asks Sarah again

0:17:58.156 --> 0:18:03.916
<v Speaker 1>about the cancer, and once more Sarah insists, yes, it's true.

0:18:05.236 --> 0:18:09.316
<v Speaker 1>But Nicole, she can't let it go, this question. It

0:18:09.436 --> 0:18:11.156
<v Speaker 1>plays on her exhausted mind.

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<v Speaker 6>So then we laid down to sleep that night, and

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<v Speaker 6>in the dark, laying laying in bed in the dark,

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<v Speaker 6>kind of like pillow tongue, I asked her one more time,

0:18:24.076 --> 0:18:25.556
<v Speaker 6>do you have cancer?

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<v Speaker 1>And then she just waited, somehow sensing that maybe under

0:18:32.836 --> 0:18:38.996
<v Speaker 1>the cover of darkness the truth might finally emerge.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the many questions that we had was how

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<v Speaker 5>did Sarah get to this moment? Lying in her bed

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<v Speaker 5>in the dark, next to her spouse, being asked this

0:18:55.796 --> 0:19:00.916
<v Speaker 5>terrifyingly simple question, have you been lying to me about

0:19:00.916 --> 0:19:05.476
<v Speaker 5>having cancer? In order to understand how she got here

0:19:06.076 --> 0:19:09.756
<v Speaker 5>to this moment, we actually have to go back too

0:19:09.836 --> 0:19:13.676
<v Speaker 5>much earlier in Sarah's story, because the way Sarah sees it,

0:19:14.316 --> 0:19:18.036
<v Speaker 5>her double life wasn't initially Sarah the social worker and

0:19:18.076 --> 0:19:22.676
<v Speaker 5>Sarah the war hero. Her first double life began as

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<v Speaker 5>a little girl.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this feeling of like always wanting a different

0:19:27.356 --> 0:19:30.276
<v Speaker 3>life had been really persistent for me for some time,

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<v Speaker 3>or for most of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah admits she lied a lot growing up about all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of things. At first, some of the lies we

0:19:40.716 --> 0:19:43.676
<v Speaker 1>heard about seemed to us like they'd fall in the

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<v Speaker 1>category of just stuff that kids do. She'd tell her

0:19:47.276 --> 0:19:50.516
<v Speaker 1>parents she was at school when she wasn't. Sometimes she'd

0:19:50.516 --> 0:19:53.916
<v Speaker 1>lie to other kids. We spoke to her best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Ariel. They met as teenagers and the

0:19:57.876 --> 0:20:01.476
<v Speaker 1>two of them remain very close. Ariel gave us a

0:20:01.516 --> 0:20:06.116
<v Speaker 1>window into Sarah's world back in high school. Ariol remembers

0:20:06.156 --> 0:20:10.116
<v Speaker 1>Sarah spinning wise, that didn't even it really makes sense,

0:20:10.836 --> 0:20:13.436
<v Speaker 1>Like when Sarah would tell people that she was adopted.

0:20:13.996 --> 0:20:17.236
<v Speaker 1>According to Ariel, Sarah's mom called her out on this,

0:20:17.556 --> 0:20:21.916
<v Speaker 1>saying stop it, You're not adopted, but Sarah would keep

0:20:21.916 --> 0:20:26.036
<v Speaker 1>on saying it. Ariel always found this strange and never

0:20:26.076 --> 0:20:27.876
<v Speaker 1>quite understood why Sarah did it.

0:20:28.836 --> 0:20:32.716
<v Speaker 5>But as we dug deeper into Sarah's story, we uncovered

0:20:32.796 --> 0:20:36.156
<v Speaker 5>another set of lies that she told as a teenager

0:20:36.796 --> 0:20:43.756
<v Speaker 5>that did seem out of the ordinary. We tracked down

0:20:43.796 --> 0:20:46.956
<v Speaker 5>a few other people who knew Sarah back then. They

0:20:46.996 --> 0:20:50.676
<v Speaker 5>told us that they knew Sarah not as a new Englander,

0:20:51.316 --> 0:20:55.076
<v Speaker 5>but as a Southern girl, and more specifically as a

0:20:55.156 --> 0:21:00.036
<v Speaker 5>victim of Hurricane Katrina. This was just after that hurricane,

0:21:00.236 --> 0:21:04.156
<v Speaker 5>so it was still really fresh in people's minds. Sympathy

0:21:04.196 --> 0:21:09.676
<v Speaker 5>for Katrina victims was running high. Our sources said that

0:21:09.716 --> 0:21:14.196
<v Speaker 5>Sarah talked in detail about the ordeal of surviving Katrina.

0:21:15.036 --> 0:21:17.876
<v Speaker 5>Told people she was rescued from the roof of her

0:21:17.916 --> 0:21:23.716
<v Speaker 5>house just barely made it out alive. Apparently, Sarah told

0:21:23.756 --> 0:21:28.076
<v Speaker 5>some people that her father died during the flooding. These

0:21:28.116 --> 0:21:35.036
<v Speaker 5>lies earned her sympathy and friendship. To me, it seems

0:21:35.076 --> 0:21:38.556
<v Speaker 5>like a test run of what she'd do with veterans,

0:21:39.076 --> 0:21:41.356
<v Speaker 5>and that happened ten years prior.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked Sarah.

0:21:43.636 --> 0:21:46.436
<v Speaker 5>About all this, by the way, and she denied it.

0:21:46.996 --> 0:21:50.836
<v Speaker 5>Told me I never told people that. I don't know

0:21:50.916 --> 0:21:51.716
<v Speaker 5>why they think that.

0:21:57.236 --> 0:22:00.036
<v Speaker 1>Sarah told us that things happened to her as a

0:22:00.116 --> 0:22:03.356
<v Speaker 1>child that made her want to live a different life,

0:22:03.756 --> 0:22:08.596
<v Speaker 1>be someone else, lie escape.

0:22:08.756 --> 0:22:12.556
<v Speaker 3>When you lived two separate lives for so long, it

0:22:12.596 --> 0:22:15.476
<v Speaker 3>feels normal, right. I had to be someone else in

0:22:15.476 --> 0:22:17.436
<v Speaker 3>front of other people when I was a child, and

0:22:18.556 --> 0:22:19.236
<v Speaker 3>that was normal.

0:22:20.316 --> 0:22:23.156
<v Speaker 1>Sarah says that there was a man who sexually abused

0:22:23.156 --> 0:22:26.956
<v Speaker 1>her for years when she was a girl. Her mother

0:22:27.076 --> 0:22:32.076
<v Speaker 1>attested to this in official documents. Nicole also confirmed us

0:22:32.236 --> 0:22:35.756
<v Speaker 1>that this abuse was something that Sarah had shared with her.

0:22:36.476 --> 0:22:40.516
<v Speaker 5>According to Sarah, this abuse kind of split her life

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<v Speaker 5>in two.

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<v Speaker 3>When I go to school, I'm able to just like

0:22:44.116 --> 0:22:47.556
<v Speaker 3>excel and act like everything is fine, and play a

0:22:47.596 --> 0:22:49.876
<v Speaker 3>sport and play an instrument and do all of these things.

0:22:49.916 --> 0:22:53.836
<v Speaker 3>And no one knew anything was going on for a

0:22:53.996 --> 0:22:54.836
<v Speaker 3>very long time.

0:22:56.596 --> 0:22:59.636
<v Speaker 5>That included her high school friend Ariel, who he told

0:22:59.676 --> 0:23:03.076
<v Speaker 5>you about. Ariel says she had no idea that Sarah

0:23:03.156 --> 0:23:08.236
<v Speaker 5>had been sexually abused. To Ariel, Sarah came across as

0:23:08.316 --> 0:23:12.876
<v Speaker 5>funny and friendly, always up for an adventure. She played

0:23:12.876 --> 0:23:16.116
<v Speaker 5>on the high school's basketball team. She was openly gay,

0:23:16.756 --> 0:23:19.596
<v Speaker 5>and she even helped Ariol come out of the closet herself.

0:23:20.596 --> 0:23:25.196
<v Speaker 5>She seemed so confident, but Sarah says the truth is

0:23:26.116 --> 0:23:27.116
<v Speaker 5>she was unraveling.

0:23:28.316 --> 0:23:30.436
<v Speaker 3>It began to drink really young. I was like thirteen

0:23:30.476 --> 0:23:37.076
<v Speaker 3>when I started drinking. I definitely overused alcohol right and

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<v Speaker 3>when I started to get into therapy finally, when I

0:23:42.316 --> 0:23:48.156
<v Speaker 3>was like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, my symptoms were really really

0:23:49.116 --> 0:23:51.836
<v Speaker 3>like I could barely get through school certain days, or.

0:23:53.236 --> 0:23:54.036
<v Speaker 2>I would just leave.

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<v Speaker 5>At first, things seemed to get somewhat better. When Sarah

0:23:58.756 --> 0:24:01.796
<v Speaker 5>got to college. She was stable enough that she was

0:24:01.836 --> 0:24:05.596
<v Speaker 5>able to help others. Her best friend Ariol had ended

0:24:05.676 --> 0:24:09.596
<v Speaker 5>up homeless, and Sarah was the one to say, come

0:24:09.676 --> 0:24:12.876
<v Speaker 5>live with me. She even let Ariol sleep on her

0:24:12.876 --> 0:24:17.196
<v Speaker 5>couch for a whole year. To this day, Ariel is

0:24:17.356 --> 0:24:23.356
<v Speaker 5>deeply grateful and loyal to Sarah, and sure Sarah was

0:24:23.396 --> 0:24:27.556
<v Speaker 5>still drinking a lot, but wasn't everyone In college, I.

0:24:27.516 --> 0:24:29.236
<v Speaker 3>Thought I pretty much had an under control where I

0:24:29.276 --> 0:24:32.156
<v Speaker 3>was going to school, I had an apartment. Things felt okay,

0:24:32.556 --> 0:24:32.876
<v Speaker 3>so to.

0:24:32.876 --> 0:24:37.556
<v Speaker 5>Speak, but then in her senior year of undergrad her

0:24:37.556 --> 0:24:38.716
<v Speaker 5>mental health took a turn.

0:24:39.756 --> 0:24:45.316
<v Speaker 3>I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt and then I

0:24:45.356 --> 0:24:47.756
<v Speaker 3>was referred to like this outpatient program at one of

0:24:47.756 --> 0:24:48.676
<v Speaker 3>the local hospitals.

0:24:50.076 --> 0:24:54.236
<v Speaker 1>Sarah started taking medications for her anxiety after this, and

0:24:54.316 --> 0:24:58.076
<v Speaker 1>she says she really evened doubt. But then her insurance

0:24:58.116 --> 0:25:01.876
<v Speaker 1>stopped covering her medical provider, so she went off her meds.

0:25:02.676 --> 0:25:05.196
<v Speaker 1>It was a rough time. She says that she tried

0:25:05.236 --> 0:25:09.396
<v Speaker 1>to take her own life on multiple occasions. All of

0:25:09.436 --> 0:25:12.876
<v Speaker 1>this is to say, Sarah told us she faced some

0:25:12.916 --> 0:25:16.156
<v Speaker 1>pretty difficult moments in her life from a young age.

0:25:17.916 --> 0:25:22.356
<v Speaker 5>Then in twenty sixteen, when Sarah was twenty five, two

0:25:22.396 --> 0:25:27.876
<v Speaker 5>things happened, two really important things. The first was that

0:25:27.916 --> 0:25:32.836
<v Speaker 5>she met Nicole, who would eventually become her wife. The

0:25:32.916 --> 0:25:37.516
<v Speaker 5>second was that in this same year, she joined the VFW,

0:25:38.316 --> 0:25:40.636
<v Speaker 5>where she found a community of veterans.

0:25:42.516 --> 0:25:45.876
<v Speaker 1>These two things, her wife and her veteran buddies would

0:25:45.916 --> 0:25:50.836
<v Speaker 1>become Sarah's pillars, her support, but they were also destined

0:25:50.836 --> 0:25:54.356
<v Speaker 1>to push against one another and create tension in a

0:25:54.396 --> 0:25:58.036
<v Speaker 1>way that would ultimately bring everything crashing down.

0:26:00.516 --> 0:26:04.356
<v Speaker 5>The community that Sarah found at the VFW seemed to

0:26:04.356 --> 0:26:08.676
<v Speaker 5>be so meaningful to her. She says everyone there seemed

0:26:08.716 --> 0:26:12.396
<v Speaker 5>to get that she was working through a trauma from her.

0:26:12.276 --> 0:26:15.996
<v Speaker 3>Past, like you don't have to hide like that you're

0:26:16.076 --> 0:26:20.036
<v Speaker 3>uncomfortable or that like people talking loudly or yelling makes

0:26:20.076 --> 0:26:22.436
<v Speaker 3>you feel like triggering, Like you don't have to hide

0:26:22.436 --> 0:26:24.996
<v Speaker 3>those things. Those are like socially acceptable for veterans. And

0:26:25.156 --> 0:26:26.996
<v Speaker 3>like I remember being out of work thing once in

0:26:27.156 --> 0:26:29.956
<v Speaker 3>like a colleague, like a male colleague, like coming in

0:26:29.996 --> 0:26:31.676
<v Speaker 3>for a hug and being like, oh my gosh, and

0:26:31.756 --> 0:26:36.316
<v Speaker 3>like awkwardly like turning and like my somebody I worked

0:26:36.316 --> 0:26:37.916
<v Speaker 3>with at the time, like being like are you okay

0:26:38.116 --> 0:26:41.076
<v Speaker 3>and being like, oh my god. That never happens to veterans.

0:26:41.756 --> 0:26:44.036
<v Speaker 3>It's like the socially accepted thing, Like we're not going

0:26:44.076 --> 0:26:46.036
<v Speaker 3>to question them. They have a good reason to be there.

0:26:48.316 --> 0:26:52.996
<v Speaker 1>What Sarah is describing here are symptoms of PTSD, which

0:26:53.316 --> 0:26:56.876
<v Speaker 1>she says stemmed from her trauma, the sexual abuse from

0:26:56.876 --> 0:27:00.916
<v Speaker 1>her past, and she says that veterans seem to understand

0:27:00.956 --> 0:27:04.636
<v Speaker 1>this kind of trauma innately, almost like it was part

0:27:04.676 --> 0:27:08.796
<v Speaker 1>of their shared memory and their unspoken language. She told

0:27:08.876 --> 0:27:12.636
<v Speaker 1>us she felt safe with them, like for once, no

0:27:12.676 --> 0:27:15.796
<v Speaker 1>one was judging her because they understood.

0:27:17.436 --> 0:27:23.276
<v Speaker 3>I think that I had kept a lot of secrets

0:27:23.316 --> 0:27:27.356
<v Speaker 3>in my life from my childhood, and so I don't

0:27:27.356 --> 0:27:29.636
<v Speaker 3>think I had ever let anybody really know who I was.

0:27:31.556 --> 0:27:31.956
<v Speaker 1>Out of.

0:27:34.356 --> 0:27:34.756
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:27:34.796 --> 0:27:38.316
<v Speaker 3>Maybe that selfishness, right, but also maybe that's for protection.

0:27:39.716 --> 0:27:43.916
<v Speaker 1>Sarah told us she always felt different, but when she

0:27:44.116 --> 0:27:47.356
<v Speaker 1>was posing as a veteran, she felt like she belonged.

0:27:47.956 --> 0:27:49.356
<v Speaker 3>I didn't always think like I'm going to go out

0:27:49.356 --> 0:27:50.876
<v Speaker 3>and lives. I'm just going to go out and drink

0:27:50.916 --> 0:27:53.076
<v Speaker 3>with my friends and try to feel better and like

0:27:53.116 --> 0:27:54.156
<v Speaker 3>be around people I care.

0:27:54.076 --> 0:27:58.396
<v Speaker 1>About, around the people that she cared about. And that,

0:27:59.076 --> 0:28:03.356
<v Speaker 1>right there was the problem because these people, the people

0:28:03.476 --> 0:28:06.396
<v Speaker 1>she cared about, were the same people that she was

0:28:06.476 --> 0:28:12.876
<v Speaker 1>deceiving and manipulating and taking money from. Sarah says that

0:28:12.956 --> 0:28:16.876
<v Speaker 1>what she did stem from a deep need and some

0:28:16.996 --> 0:28:18.396
<v Speaker 1>seriously flawed thinking.

0:28:20.276 --> 0:28:25.756
<v Speaker 3>I just think, like, when you feel inadequate for so long,

0:28:26.596 --> 0:28:35.076
<v Speaker 3>that it manifests in irrational ways. Right, and lying to

0:28:35.116 --> 0:28:36.476
<v Speaker 3>that extent was irrational.

0:28:36.796 --> 0:28:39.836
<v Speaker 2>Right, it was deliberate. I deliberately lied.

0:28:40.756 --> 0:28:40.956
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:28:41.156 --> 0:28:43.556
<v Speaker 3>No one can say that someone forced me to tell

0:28:43.596 --> 0:28:47.996
<v Speaker 3>those lies. No one did, but they were absolutely irrational.

0:28:49.916 --> 0:28:53.796
<v Speaker 5>Sarah says she used the lies that she'd constructed about herself,

0:28:54.396 --> 0:28:59.356
<v Speaker 5>the whole tragic war hero story, to distract herself from

0:28:59.396 --> 0:29:03.676
<v Speaker 5>her real problems. But of course, what she was doing

0:29:04.356 --> 0:29:08.756
<v Speaker 5>by lying and taking money that wasn't going to fix anything.

0:29:09.676 --> 0:29:10.556
<v Speaker 2>It was only going to.

0:29:10.636 --> 0:29:16.676
<v Speaker 5>Cause more problems, more damage, not just for her, but

0:29:16.756 --> 0:29:21.316
<v Speaker 5>also for those close to her, like Nicole.

0:29:33.116 --> 0:29:35.916
<v Speaker 1>The odd part about all of this is that Sarah

0:29:36.236 --> 0:29:39.196
<v Speaker 1>did have his other life, with a pretty home and

0:29:39.236 --> 0:29:45.116
<v Speaker 1>a caring spouse, a life that seemed pretty good. Even now,

0:29:45.156 --> 0:29:48.876
<v Speaker 1>when Sarah talks about Nicole, you can hear a tenderness

0:29:48.916 --> 0:29:52.916
<v Speaker 1>in her voice. She calls her Nicky, and as far

0:29:52.956 --> 0:29:56.556
<v Speaker 1>as we can tell, Nicky was a lifeline for Sarah.

0:29:57.076 --> 0:30:00.476
<v Speaker 1>It was Nicky who took Sarah and walks and Lincoln Woods.

0:30:01.076 --> 0:30:03.916
<v Speaker 1>It was Nicky who lay rose petals through their house

0:30:04.236 --> 0:30:07.276
<v Speaker 1>to show Sarah just how much she cared. It was

0:30:07.476 --> 0:30:10.836
<v Speaker 1>Nicky who wouldn't let Sarah spend one single night at

0:30:10.876 --> 0:30:15.436
<v Speaker 1>their new house without the promise of a wedding. Even now,

0:30:15.676 --> 0:30:18.836
<v Speaker 1>Sarah gets really emotional when she talks about what it

0:30:18.916 --> 0:30:21.036
<v Speaker 1>meant when Nicole came into her life.

0:30:22.516 --> 0:30:29.876
<v Speaker 3>She really stabilized me. She brought so much to my life,

0:30:31.796 --> 0:30:37.956
<v Speaker 3>and she really saw me for who I was, and

0:30:37.996 --> 0:30:41.836
<v Speaker 3>I didn't have to like be ashamed of where I

0:30:41.876 --> 0:30:45.076
<v Speaker 3>came from, or who my parents were or anything that

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<v Speaker 3>had happened.

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<v Speaker 6>And I was okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I was stable.

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<v Speaker 5>But that stability was short lived. As Sarah went deeper

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<v Speaker 5>and deeper down the rabbit hole posing as a veteran,

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<v Speaker 5>she pulled further and further away from Nicole. Sarah says

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<v Speaker 5>that after work, she'd walk the dogs and then race

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<v Speaker 5>off to various meetings or events with veteran groups. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>she'd tell Nicole she was seeing Dave or the VFW guys,

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<v Speaker 5>and other times she just invents something else entirely. As

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<v Speaker 5>she went through the motions, she was constantly preparing for

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<v Speaker 5>the next round of deception, trying to keep her story straight,

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<v Speaker 5>and when she was at home, she was often emotionally unavailable.

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<v Speaker 3>My relationship with Nicole had disintegrated so much because of

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<v Speaker 3>my lies as a veteran and because I was involved

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<v Speaker 3>in all of these events and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Even so, Nicole was not ready to give up on her.

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<v Speaker 3>She really wanted to reconnect and wanted us to get

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<v Speaker 3>through this moment and was really trying to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>pull me back, and I did not respond. I put

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<v Speaker 3>no effort. I did not return those emotions. I was

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<v Speaker 3>consumed with what I was doing right with my lie

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<v Speaker 3>and how I was feeling, and she was so unhappy,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was so unhappy because we were just like

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<v Speaker 3>strangers in the night for so long in our house. Right.

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<v Speaker 5>I always thought there must be a true version of Sarah,

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<v Speaker 5>Sarah without masks, living out there somewhere, showing her true

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<v Speaker 5>face to someone. And for a while I thought that

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<v Speaker 5>person was Nicole, that we would find a true version

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<v Speaker 5>of Sarah in their house, like an artifact we could excavate.

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<v Speaker 2>But that just wasn't the case, maybe.

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<v Speaker 5>Because there's an unknowability about Sarah, an invisible wall she

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<v Speaker 5>puts between herself and the world.

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<v Speaker 1>For Sarah and Nicole, the weight of their marriage and

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<v Speaker 1>the years of secrets and lies came to a head

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<v Speaker 1>in February of twenty twenty two. After they returned from

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital and cleaned up the mess from the search,

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<v Speaker 1>they went to their bedroom and with the lights out,

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<v Speaker 1>they lay silently side by side. The room itself had

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<v Speaker 1>once been their inner sanctum the cocoon of their intimacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Nichole had always seen this home as the start of something.

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<v Speaker 1>Years before, she had carefully scattered rose petals and glowing candles,

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<v Speaker 1>creating a trail that led Sarah towards the future that

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<v Speaker 1>they had imagined. But now there was no light, just

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<v Speaker 1>darkness and quiet. Until Nichole finally spoke.

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<v Speaker 6>I asked her one more time, do you have cancer?

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<v Speaker 6>And then she said no, I don't. I think she

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<v Speaker 6>needed the darkness, like the anonymity of that space. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't think she could. Honestly, I don't think she could

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<v Speaker 6>have looked me in the eye and say it. I

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<v Speaker 6>think she needed to be in the dark kind of

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<v Speaker 6>I guess hidden, I would say.

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<v Speaker 1>For Nicole, this moment sliced through everything.

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<v Speaker 6>She can lie to me about that straight to my

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<v Speaker 6>face for how long we've been doing this. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>that lie was over and over and over as we

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<v Speaker 6>worked through and built upon. You know, there's layers to

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<v Speaker 6>that lie, and it if she could build that lie

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<v Speaker 6>to me directly, I didn't feel like I could be,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, connected with this person ever again. I left

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<v Speaker 6>the next day and I never lived in that house again.

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<v Speaker 1>Our interview with Nicole happened in the new place where

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<v Speaker 1>she lives, a tidy townhouse at the edge of a

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<v Speaker 1>busy commercial strip. We had to turn off the heat

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<v Speaker 1>for the interview so our mike wouldn't pick up any

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<v Speaker 1>extra noise. The point is it had gotten kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cold in the room and dark too. The sun had

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<v Speaker 1>gone down, and for a moment we just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sat there, and then Nicole said this.

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<v Speaker 6>The hardest thing to reconcile for me personally was finding

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<v Speaker 6>out your perception of reality isn't true and accepting that

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<v Speaker 6>I won't know. I won't know from this point on

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<v Speaker 6>forever what was real and what wasn't real as it

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<v Speaker 6>relates to your spouse, right and kind of making peace

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<v Speaker 6>with that was the journey for me following all of

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<v Speaker 6>the aftermath.

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<v Speaker 5>And there are things that Nicole is still figuring out

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<v Speaker 5>without realizing it. We were the ones who broke the

0:36:11.276 --> 0:36:14.836
<v Speaker 5>news to her about Sarah having an affair with Sam.

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<v Speaker 5>We didn't even mean to do this. We just mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>Sam and then realized that Nicole still didn't know, so

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<v Speaker 5>we turned off the tape recorder and explained seemed like

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<v Speaker 5>the right thing to do. Things like this kept happening.

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<v Speaker 5>As we reported this story, there were a bunch of

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<v Speaker 5>times when the people we were interviewing kind of turned

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<v Speaker 5>the tables and started asking us questions like what did

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<v Speaker 5>we know about Sarah?

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<v Speaker 2>Was this true?

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<v Speaker 5>Or was that true? And in a way, the whole

0:36:49.356 --> 0:36:52.396
<v Speaker 5>thing that Nicole said to us about not trusting her

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<v Speaker 5>perception of reality, it kind of pertained to almost everyone

0:36:56.916 --> 0:37:03.236
<v Speaker 5>in this story. Everyone was and is grasping for answers.

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<v Speaker 1>For Sarah, the aftermath was something else entirely. She was

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<v Speaker 1>now in the house alone with hardly anyone to rely on.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd been outed, The media was buzzing with stories of

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<v Speaker 1>her lies. The authorities had seized many of her personal possessions.

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<v Speaker 1>She had no phone, no wife, no heroic backstory to

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<v Speaker 1>fall back upon. Whether she realized it or not, there

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing left to do but wait for the arrest

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<v Speaker 1>and a much more public reckoning next time. On the

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<v Speaker 1>finale of Deep Cover The Truth about Sarah.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't necessarily have any second thoughts about representing missus

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<v Speaker 7>Galana and anything. It is more of intrigue as to

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<v Speaker 7>how she ended up in the situation that she was in.

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<v Speaker 1>Every defendant comes before court having had some sort of loss.

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<v Speaker 2>Or trauma in their life.

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<v Speaker 1>Human has such things, but not every human goes out.

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<v Speaker 2>And he mixed crime.

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<v Speaker 4>She came in like behind me. I turned around and

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<v Speaker 4>she was there, and that was kind of it was

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<v Speaker 4>almost like getting hit by lightning, kind of like just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like this fight or flight response.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew his last name. I knew he was enrolled

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<v Speaker 3>in care. There those aren't excuses, that's not right, but

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<v Speaker 3>those are facts that I knew, which made it reliable

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<v Speaker 3>to go to that document.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Cover The Truth About Sarah was produced by Amy

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<v Speaker 1>Gaines McQuaid and Tally Emlin. Additional production support by Sonya Gurwood.

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