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Speaker 1: Welcome out like gigg is live yet again Sunday Nights,

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Speaker 1: February twenty eighth, Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: What a moment, by the way, I mean, you had

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Speaker 1: So if you're watching the replay listening to the replay,

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Speaker 1: you have no clue what I'm talking about. But we've

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Speaker 1: been frozen for about forty five minutes, every single one

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Speaker 1: of you and the live audience stuck around. And if

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Speaker 1: you're just watching the replay tomorrow morning, again irrelevant. However,

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Speaker 1: I want you guys in the live chat to look

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Speaker 1: at the code that I just submitted, because if you

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Speaker 1: just sat through all that, I want you to remember

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Speaker 1: the word that I just typed. You're gonna be emailing

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Speaker 1: me that one day for something free. And I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what I'm giving you yet, but you got

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Speaker 1: to get something for sticking around, So thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I want you, as I told you, to pretend like

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Speaker 1: you never heard a word of what we did about

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Speaker 1: an hour ago, because we're gonna do the show from scratch,

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Speaker 1: so we are jam packed.

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Speaker 2: We've got a whole lot to discuss.

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Speaker 1: There are things that happened today for instance, Michigan has

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Speaker 1: had a huge day.

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Speaker 2: We can't even talk about it. Florida State got commitment.

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Speaker 1: We can't even talk about it because the show is

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Speaker 1: so jam packed.

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Speaker 2: Eric Gilbert in the Transfer Portal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again, this is the most recent entry into the

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Speaker 1: transfer portal. We will discuss this crazy situation and the

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Speaker 1: that are just wild. It's incredible to see. Also, speaking

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Speaker 1: of the transfer portal, there's a lot of you that

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Speaker 1: ruining college football. I just want to talk you off

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Speaker 1: the ledge a little bit tonight, so we will get

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Speaker 1: to that. It's Georgia Tech Mood Tracker Night. I'm also

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Speaker 1: So as we get set to dive in, I want

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Speaker 1: you to also note that we hit our latest threshold

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Speaker 1: goal on Twitter every time we get to another thousand

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Speaker 1: followers at late Kick. Josh, by the way, I am

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Speaker 1: throwing you something. You can call it a party, kind

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Speaker 1: of a Zoom party. So stay tuned, listen to the

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Morning podcast and make sure you're following me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter again at Las Kick Josh, cause details are going

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Speaker 1: to come out on how you can get involved. It's

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Speaker 1: tossing me questions. We're gonna interact, you know, basically like

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Speaker 1: So stay tuned for that. Let's dive in, though we've

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Speaker 1: got a busy show. Eric Gilbert's in the transfer portal.

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Speaker 2: And then the guy says.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, not the latest latest,

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Speaker 1: the very latest, and then you shrug your shoulders.

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Speaker 1: be noted there from a very nondescript location. Eric Gilbert says,

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Speaker 1: This is why we capitalize transfer portal. Capitalize the t,

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Speaker 1: I've read Twitter like I've got access to the message

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Speaker 1: It puts Florida's scholarship number at eighty seven. So there

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Speaker 1: are two things in play here. Number One, as is

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Speaker 2: As it turns out that I've had in the last

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Speaker 1: A lot of Florida fans, it seems like, are even

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Speaker 1: To have Eric Gilbert and then losing him than you

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Speaker 1: This is a game changer from a pure physical potential standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Eric Gilbert's a guy that can change the outcome of

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Speaker 1: As I told you last week, when he committed. I

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Speaker 1: They're Alabama quarterbacks. So it wasn't always this way is

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Speaker 1: You guys, remember, unless you're ten years old, you remember

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Speaker 1: So again, Aaron Suttles puts together this little piece in

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Speaker 1: que him up now. So Subtles puts in there about

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Speaker 1: Alabama quarterback Siinees under Nick saman For those of you

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Speaker 1: This is from seven to twenty fifteen. Nick Finouzi never

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Speaker 1: Alec Morris remember him, No, you do not. Cooper Bateman

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Speaker 2: Like if you didn't know anything, if you were a

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Speaker 1: maybe or three? Could be the next ones to elevate

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00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,399
Speaker 1: into Tier one status? And how could it happen? Because

438
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,120
Speaker 1: right now it's popular to suggest that Tier one is closed.

439
00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,600
Speaker 1: It's this closed club. For some reason, the College Football

440
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,680
Speaker 1: Playoff has built a huge, wrought iron gate around Tier

441
00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,640
Speaker 1: one and no one can get in or out. It's

442
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,760
Speaker 1: like people forget that. In twenty nineteen the LSU Tigers

443
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,080
Speaker 1: won a national title, So that's bs. I dismissed that entirely.

444
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,879
Speaker 1: But the next most popular question is Okay, well, then

445
00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,840
Speaker 1: who's going to be next? That is a good question,

446
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,640
Speaker 1: valid and I want to suggest something to you. Here's

447
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,000
Speaker 1: what we don't have. Transfer portal era. It's still pretty new.

448
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,520
Speaker 1: So what we don't have is we don't have definitives.

449
00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,000
Speaker 1: We don't have trends that we could look at yet,

450
00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,160
Speaker 1: we don't have conclusions. We don't have winners or losers

451
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 1: of the transfer portal era any given off season. I

452
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,119
Speaker 1: can tell you right now Oklahoma won this offseason in

453
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,840
Speaker 1: the transfer Portal Florida. Up until about fifteen minutes ago,

454
00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,240
Speaker 1: it felt like they had. Now I don't know so

455
00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,440
Speaker 1: much anymore. They still had a good offseason, but we

456
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,080
Speaker 1: don't know long term like we need five ten years

457
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,840
Speaker 1: before we really look back and see who is consistently

458
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,600
Speaker 1: doing things this way or that way. But I do

459
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,160
Speaker 1: want to look at this from a very macro point

460
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,399
Speaker 1: of view. The one thing that could impact this that

461
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,679
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that people are looking at is

462
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 1: I think the transfer portal is not so much going

463
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 1: to have an impact on Tier one itself. The ones

464
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,959
Speaker 1: that are already there are going to stay there. The

465
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,199
Speaker 1: ones that are there are probably not going anywhere because

466
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 1: of the transfer portal. But I'm working out with a

467
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 1: buddy in the gym the other day and we were

468
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,960
Speaker 1: kind of tossing this idea around.

469
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 2: The more we did, the more it made sense.

470
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,680
Speaker 1: It could be that Tier two is far more impacted

471
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Speaker 1: by the transfer portal. And what I mean is this,

472
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Speaker 1: there are programs already in the picture Oregon, Texas, A

473
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 1: and M Georgia. If you don't put them in Tier one,

474
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 1: Georgie is there, Florida Notre Dame Like those are the

475
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 1: kinds of programs. I know there are differing policies on

476
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 1: how to handle transfers out there, but those programs they're

477
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 1: already in the picture. They're not getting run out of

478
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,639
Speaker 1: a building fifty six to if they play the elite

479
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 1: teams hopefully.

480
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 2: My point is they're in the conversation.

481
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 1: They're not terrible, they're not sucking water through a garden hose,

482
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 1: and so they're already.

483
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 2: In the picture. What if they end up with top.

484
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: Ten averaging recruiting classes, but then they also mix in

485
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 1: that formula year over year, the ability to go find

486
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: two to five elite transfers that whatever the art is

487
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 1: for working the transfer portal, they perfect it. Because I

488
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Speaker 1: want you to think about what separates Tier one and

489
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Speaker 1: Tier two?

490
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Speaker 2: The tier ones.

491
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Speaker 1: Everyone says all the time, How many times have you

492
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: heard this sentence? Tier one programs do not rebuild, they

493
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: just reload. You hear it all the time. If you're breathing,

494
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 1: you hear people say that the Tier two programs they're

495
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 1: still really good. But there are more glaring attrition related

496
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 1: holes on any given Tier two roster entering a season.

497
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Speaker 1: At Alabama, they don't have this problem cause all their

498
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: true freshmen or studs. So at Alabama you have learned

499
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: to just ignore returning starters, number of returning snaps. You

500
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 1: don't even know the names. You just assume they're going

501
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: to be good. Ditto at Clemson, Ditto at Ohio State.

502
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 1: But at other programs you don't think like that. It

503
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 1: does matter at other programs. Well, I want you to

504
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: think about potentially that gap someone figuring out how to

505
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: erase it by using the transfer portal, because if you

506
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: could shave that disadvantage you have relative.

507
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: To the tier ones.

508
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Speaker 1: If you're Mario Cristball at Organ, if you're Jimbo Fisher

509
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: at Texas A and M, you view yourself in Tier two,

510
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: but it still hurts you when you lose a couple

511
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 1: of defensive linemen. You're not operating at a championship caliber

512
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: tier the next year. All of a sudden, you'd be

513
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: able to fix that by getting some stud transfer in

514
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: from Akron. That just blew everyone away and exceeded expectation.

515
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: We got a kid at Utah that wants to get

516
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: himself a taste of SEC football, bring him to college station.

517
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,959
Speaker 1: Well quickly we can replenish, and all of a sudden,

518
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: we don't have to rebuild either. All of a sudden,

519
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: we can leverage that transfer portal, and now we get

520
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: to find out what it feels like to be cool.

521
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: Just be a reloader that could be the biggest impact.

522
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: So I don't know that there's room for five or

523
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: six Tier one programs. In fact, I can tell you

524
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: there's not, but it could give you an added benefit

525
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: and could give you a little leg up if you're

526
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: a Tier two, and I think it could disproportionately positively

527
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: impact Tier two programs. So while everyone out there is

528
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: complaining about the haves and the have nots, try and

529
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: find ways in the sport like this. I think, for example,

530
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: where you could end up up injecting more parody. That

531
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: precious parody you guys care so much about, You could

532
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: end up injecting some of it here by way of

533
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Speaker 1: the transfer portal, Which brings me to my next point,

534
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: which is not a point as an entirely, entirely different segment.

535
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Speaker 2: So let's roll on.

536
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Speaker 1: I want to pose this as a question, Okay, is

537
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Speaker 1: the transfer portal ruining college football? A lot of you

538
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: say yes. I say no, And I want to say

539
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: it like this.

540
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: No.

541
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: I want to say it very common, sensically, almost insulting.

542
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: Kind of makes me sound like a jerk, But don't worry,

543
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: I'm gonna back it up. I don't think it's ruining

544
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: college football. I do think it's a temporary inconvenience, especially

545
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 1: for those of you, to be honest, who are like

546
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 1: me and are more traditional, and you love to see

547
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: things just done the way they always have been done.

548
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: I get that, okay, But some things, believe it or not,

549
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: I think this is one of them, will self correct

550
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: if you just give it a little bit of time.

551
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: This is an era that we live in now societally,

552
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: where there's got to be a fix for everything. You

553
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: notice that if anyone's been out of shape, if anyone's

554
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: mad about anything, there's got to be a fix for it.

555
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: Sometimes the best fix is just to cross your arms,

556
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: sit back, and wait on the situation to rectify itself.

557
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 2: You don't even have to interject.

558
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: It's like if you've ever watched baby birds try and

559
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: work their way out of their egg, just keep your

560
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: hands off the nest. Nature has figured out a way here,

561
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: like God has designed this a specific way that needs

562
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: you peeling back the eggshell off the bird's nose. Don

563
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: need it, Believe it or not, birds have existed without

564
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: you for plenty long enough. The transfer portal, it's just

565
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: not coming out of its egg. It's just peeking through chripchrip,

566
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: just give it a little while.

567
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: Now.

568
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: I know what the cries are right now to cry

569
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: there are several of them. First things, First, well, what's

570
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: it going to do with all these programs. It's leaving

571
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: teams and coaches in a lurch. If they have a

572
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: dozen guys that want to transfer out after spring practice,

573
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do?

574
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: Go recruit high school kids in May?

575
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: Like Dabo said the other day, no, we can't do it.

576
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: You asked me what it's gonna do. It's gonna suck

577
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: in the short term, that's what it's gonna do. You

578
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: gotta suck it up. And you got a next man up.

579
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: And if it's not already on a T shirt, it

580
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: should be.

581
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 2: You just got it. That's how you have to be.

582
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: You can't do anything about it, it's my answer.

583
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: In the short term, the very micro term, you can't

584
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: do anything about it, so suck it up, next man up.

585
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: That has to be the answer.

586
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: Short term, however, I want you to think about the

587
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: flip side of that coin. I don't know the very

588
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: latest as of this moment number, but as has been

589
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: very well documented, there are far more kids in the

590
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: transfer portal than there are spots on rosters. This is

591
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: not going to end Well, I don't think it takes

592
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: a rocket scientist to figure that out. So then here's

593
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: cry number two. What about these poor children? What about

594
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: all these kids? They're making terrible decisions. We need to

595
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: step in and make the decision for them. No, you don't,

596
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: same ones, same ones of you out there crying. They

597
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 1: should be able to profit off their name, image and likeness,

598
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: which I agree with.

599
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: You're telling me.

600
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: They're an adult, but then they're they're not an adult

601
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: in this sense. They can't make decisions for themselves. Yeah,

602
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: they can, it's just going to be a really poor outcome.

603
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to let folks screw up and it

604
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: may derail the rest of their athletic career.

605
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: Tough, suck it up, next man up.

606
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: It applies to the program, Well, it's the same coin

607
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: flipped upside down.

608
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: It applies to the player too.

609
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: Let it work itself out, is what I'm saying, because

610
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: here's what really needs to happen. The players of the future,

611
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: who eventually will be in college and will be eligible

612
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: and on the fence about transferring. They are watching right now.

613
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: They're thirteen years old. They're fourteen years old. Their parents

614
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: need to be watching right now. Their high school coaches

615
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: need to be watching. College coaches need to be watching.

616
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 1: You've got to learn lessons over this stuff. And I

617
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: can tell you right now, here's the big flip that

618
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: I think is coming. Currently, it's just assumed that all

619
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: the risk when it comes to discussing the transfer portal

620
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: is on the program. The program is the entity that

621
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: stands to lose players, it stands to have its roster slashed,

622
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: and so the program assumes all the risk.

623
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: That's not true.

624
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: The big flip and perception is coming when you find

625
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: out how many kids are left out in the cold

626
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: because they went into the transfer portal and then they're

627
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: looking for the way out and there's no landing spot.

628
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: What do you do.

629
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: Well, you may go back where you came from. They

630
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: may not want you back. You may have to go

631
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: to a lesser destination. You may have to partially pay

632
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: your own freight, or your college football career may be over,

633
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: and it may disproportionately impact the rest of your life

634
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: because of going in that portal. You're gonna find out

635
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: that there's a lot more risk on the shoulder of

636
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: the player going into the portal, than there is the

637
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: program having to wave goodbye to the player.

638
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: Nebraska football it's always.

639
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Going to be there, whether I as an outside linebacker

640
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: buried on the depth chart, whether I choose to stay

641
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: in Lincoln or not, Nebraska is gonna suit up. They're

642
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: gonna field a team this coming fall. I may go

643
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: into that portal and never be heard from again. Nebraska

644
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: will be okay, The teams will be okay. The individual player,

645
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: once it starts to be more way, all publicized the

646
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: risk and the consequence on some of these guys who

647
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: don't find a landing spot. Mark my words. The transfer

648
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: portal will correct itself. If you'll just keep your hands

649
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: out of it. The transfer portal will end up correcting itself.

650
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: So to answer the question we led with, no, the

651
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: transfer portal is not ruining college football.

652
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: It's a hindrance.

653
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: Right now, you're getting used to it. It's new in

654
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: the room. You know, you got to introduce yourself and

655
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Speaker 1: you got to live with it for a little while.

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Speaker 1: It'll correct itself. It'll be okay. Let's wrap with this.

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Speaker 1: I have gotten inundated. You know how rarely I use

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Speaker 1: that word with requests for the Georgia Tech mood Tracker.

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Speaker 1: The mood tracker is simply us taking the temperature of

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Speaker 1: a fan base and it's time to do Georgia Tech

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Speaker 1: football tonight, and so Georgia Tech. The mood Tracker points

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Speaker 1: simply to one word fire, Not in a crowded theater,

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Speaker 1: but fire, you know, the word that comes after ready

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Speaker 1: and then aim and in life, just like college football,

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Speaker 1: there are seasons for all three. There's a season to

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Speaker 1: ready yourself, and then there's a season to prepare and

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Speaker 1: get ready and aim. And then this is the most

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Speaker 1: fun part, the one you want to skip forward to

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Speaker 1: the fire season. That's what season it is right now

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Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech. I cannot overstate how well Jeff Collins

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Speaker 1: and his staff have handled the first two years on campus.

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Speaker 1: They had a pandemic thrown at him like everyone else did, but.

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Speaker 2: They also had what I call.

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Speaker 1: A gu rebuild, a ground up rebuild that they inherited.

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Speaker 1: I'm not speaking ill of Paul Johnson. Paul Johnson had

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Speaker 1: some good years there. I don't care if Paul Johnson

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Speaker 1: had won a championship the year before he stepped down.

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Speaker 1: They were going to have to ground up rebuild, be

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Speaker 1: cause the fact of the matter is they weren't doing

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Speaker 1: what Paul Johnson was doing.

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Speaker 2: They didn't want to do that.

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Speaker 1: So you can't overstate enough how well Jeff Collins and

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Speaker 1: his crew have handled things because they stepped in and

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Speaker 1: they really knew they had a two front battle to fight.

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Speaker 2: The first battle was internal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's rebuilding your roster, defining your critical factors. You

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Speaker 1: got to cast a new vision for recruiting. You got

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Speaker 1: to familiarize yourself with the Georgia High School recruiting scene.

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Speaker 2: And beyond, like you got to build dren infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: You got to fill out your strength staff, your nutrition staff,

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Speaker 1: your support staff. All that stuff's boring to you. You

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Speaker 1: don't really care about that. That's the internal fight. Equally,

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Speaker 1: if not more important though for Jeff Collins, and he

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Speaker 1: knew this was the external battle. The external battle was

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Speaker 1: to work on selling Georgia Tech. And what they did

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Speaker 1: brilliantly is they took Georgia Tech and they put it

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Speaker 1: in this box and sealed it up, and they shipped

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Speaker 1: it all over the place. And on that box there

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Speaker 1: were three letters ATL and then there were three numbers.

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Speaker 2: Four oh four.

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Speaker 1: They put Georgia Tech inside Atlanta, which geographically had always been,

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Speaker 1: but it hadn't been marketed that way.

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Speaker 2: It had not been properly harnessed, and so they did that.

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Speaker 1: And they also really had a collective emphasis on culture

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Speaker 1: all in basically the stuff everyone preaches but not everyone

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Speaker 1: is about.

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Speaker 2: They've been about that.

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Speaker 1: And also what they did because of that is there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of synergy in the messaging around Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 1: Everyone says the same thing, everyone sells the same thing,

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Speaker 1: everyone wears the same thing, right down to the Twitter

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Speaker 1: bios for the coaching staff. It's all the same messaging.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, a critical majority of that fan

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Speaker 1: base has bought it. And here's the brilliance. They've been

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Speaker 1: bad record wise the first two years. They've won three

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Speaker 1: games each of their first two seasons. You would think

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Speaker 1: to yourself, this is the South. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: it's the SEC or not. This is the South. They

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Speaker 1: take football really seriously down here. You would think if

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Speaker 1: you didn't know anything about Jeff Collins in the staff

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Speaker 1: and you just saw the records, oh man hot seat

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Speaker 1: this year, right, ooh boy, I bet that fan base

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Speaker 1: has been out of shape. They're they're not at all

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Speaker 1: and the reason is because Jeff Collins and his staff

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Speaker 1: stepped in and understood, we got a couple of years

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Speaker 1: that are going to be tough. How do we keep

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Speaker 1: the fans engaged? How do we keep the community engaged?

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Speaker 1: And it's been full steam ahead, and this is a

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Speaker 1: clinic in how to handle one of those ground up

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Speaker 1: rebuilds to the point where you've won six games total

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Speaker 1: the first two years in, and yet you've still got

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Speaker 1: really incredible passion, in fact, more passion and energy around

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Speaker 1: that program than some others even in their own conference,

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Speaker 1: that have been better record wise on the field than

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech has so far. But here's what fire really means.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the mood is fire doesn't mean everyone is

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Speaker 1: bathing in the kool aid and they're just blindly all

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Speaker 1: in and they're buying that Georgia Tech's about to be

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Speaker 1: a perennial double digit win team. They still want to

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Speaker 1: see results. There still may be some healthy skepticism. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. This is a results oriented business.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day. Jeff Collins and his

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Speaker 1: staff they're big boys. They understand that they get how

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Speaker 1: this works. But there are basically if you're kind of

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Speaker 1: closer to that fan base.

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Speaker 2: I was talking back and forth with some of you

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Speaker 2: this week.

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Speaker 1: There are these three little subgroups really that I've narrowed

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Speaker 1: it down to that make up the Georgia Tech fan base.

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Speaker 1: Subgroup one. I think this is a pretty small subgroup.

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Speaker 1: But Subgroup one is a group that really was married

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Speaker 1: to the old school way of doing things. They liked

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Speaker 1: Paul Johnson. This group also does not believe that Georgia

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Speaker 1: Tech has what it takes to seriously compete for ACC

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Speaker 1: championships and you know, push for a college football playoff

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Speaker 1: conversation entry. At least, they don't believe that I dismissed

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Speaker 1: that crowd because I philosophically disagree with that, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's a small subgroup. Subgroup two is totally opposite.

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Speaker 1: Subgroup two is all in. They love everything about Jeff Collins.

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Speaker 1: They love the inner he's brought, they love the branding,

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Speaker 1: they love the passion. They think he's doing it the

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Speaker 1: way they always wanted it to be done. They want results,

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Speaker 1: but they're all in and they've bought into the vision

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Speaker 1: and they have the patience.

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Speaker 2: And then there's group three.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a healthy chunk of the Georgia Tech

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Speaker 1: fan base that is a blend of They liked Paul Johnson.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot to like about him.

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Speaker 1: They respected him, they appreciated him. But yet they also

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Speaker 1: knew it was time for something new, and when Jeff

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Speaker 1: Collins came in, they fully embraced him. Okay, it's about

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Speaker 1: as antithetical a way of doing things as possible.

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Speaker 2: But yet both can work and they've embraced it.

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Speaker 1: But now, so three years in, they would sit back

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Speaker 1: in thet'd say, love Jeff, love him, but we want

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Speaker 1: to see results. And that's fine. It's fire season. You've

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Speaker 1: had the ready season, you've had the aim season. Now

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Speaker 1: you get the fire season. You look around and you think, huh,

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Speaker 1: we've got a quarterback returning. Finally I've been able to

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Speaker 1: say that around here in a couple of years. Well,

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Speaker 1: now we've got a roster that three years in and

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Speaker 1: beyond it should reflect a lot more of the thumb

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Speaker 1: print of the coaching staff and the head coach that's

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Speaker 1: running things here. You had a two front battle you

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Speaker 1: had to fight when you got there, the internal, the

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Speaker 1: rewiring of the program. Jeff Collins and his staff have

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Speaker 1: handled that behind the scenes, and ultimately the results on

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Speaker 1: the field will bear out how good a job that

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Speaker 1: they've done there. But the external fight, the second front

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Speaker 1: they've had to fight. It's been brilliantly waged, and they've

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Speaker 1: gotten people even more on board.

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Speaker 2: They've gotten the fan base even more engaged. Winning three

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Speaker 2: games a.

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Speaker 1: Year the first two seasons, then a lot of other

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Speaker 1: programs out there have winning.

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Speaker 2: Far more but not having that engagement.

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Speaker 1: So all I want to tell you, as I've told

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Speaker 1: you for a couple of years now, ever since the

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Speaker 1: Collins staff arrived in Atlanta, I am a firm believer

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Speaker 1: in the direction of this program. And what's going to

801
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Speaker 1: happen is it's going to seem to you like they're

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Speaker 1: having success all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: It's not all of sudden, it's happened.

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Speaker 1: When they're winning three games a year, you just don't

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Speaker 1: see the route taking place. They had to They didn't

806
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Speaker 1: have to just trim the hedges. They had to completely

807
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: salt the earth and they had to torch it and

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Speaker 1: build from the ground up.

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Speaker 2: And it takes a little while, but once that takes route.

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Speaker 1: And you've got a good coaching staff over there, they

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Speaker 1: got I think a very good recruiting plan. I believe

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Speaker 1: you can recruit to Georgia Tech at a level that

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Speaker 1: makes you competitive with the big boys in college football.

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Speaker 2: Some don't.

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Speaker 1: We disagree there fire, That's what the mood is around

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech circles right now, and I endorse that because

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Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way.

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Speaker 2: Good show tonight. Cannot believe this.

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Speaker 1: Many of you stuck around had a lot of technical difficulties,

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Speaker 1: and so I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: We'll try and get that rectified in the meantime. Again,

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Speaker 2: remember that, remember that code that I gave you.

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Speaker 1: Only those of you watching live right now are going

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Speaker 1: to know what that code was because I'm going to

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Speaker 1: erase this live chat as soon as this show is over.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for staying tuned in, and

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Speaker 1: remember follow me on Twitter at late Kick Josh.

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Speaker 2: Be listening to the Late Kick podcast.

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Speaker 1: Details coming for the Zoom party for lack of a

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Speaker 1: better term, that we are having and recording probably this

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Speaker 1: coming week, if not this week, early next week. Producer

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Speaker 1: Jordan on the podcast side of things is going to

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Speaker 1: work with us there.

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Speaker 2: You may even see. I don't know how open.

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Speaker 1: He is to that, so got a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: going on off season doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: It's a dirty word. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: us for Director.

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Speaker 1: Emeritus Colin and the entire crew in Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: I'm Josh paid. Have yourselves a great early start to

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Speaker 2: the week, and God bless