1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to will Gate Up Daily 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody back recording live from 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: our pod stream studios here in Times Square. Imagine having 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the ability to put together historic legislation that would be 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: revered for decades to come, as was the New Deal. 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Imagine being able to shape the future of this country, 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: protecting us from climate change, for protecting us, for protecting 8 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: families from a shifting economy so that they're able to 9 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: care for their children. That you know, people in Texas 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: want to force you to have. Imagine having the power 11 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: to do that and then just deciding, you know what, Nah, 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm good. That's what it must be like to be 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: O Mansion and Kirsten Cinema, the two most disgustingly selfish 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: pieces of shit on the planet right now. The other day, 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: Eleventh Films and I talked about this, put out a 16 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: video to tell us exactly how much money the Mansion 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: family was making. Cinema is over in Europe, you know, 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: collecting her checks not from her constituents, right, but collecting 19 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: them from overseas, filling up their packs, filling up their coffers. 20 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck. How is it that we 21 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: have a government that is supposed to be foreign by 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: the people of these United States, that can be obstructed 23 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: by two senators that represent not even a quarter of 24 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: the population fucking combined. How is it that these two 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: people that maybe represent a handful of millions of people 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: between their two goddamn states get to hold the rest 27 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: of US hostage? You know, there was a video recently 28 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: on CNN that one of the WOKAF listeners sent me, 29 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate you set me in the video, and it 30 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: was a CNN segment on how West Virginia is being 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: hit by thousand year floods often right, how part of 32 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: the state is either underwater and the other half is 33 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: in drought so bad that over the past year, the 34 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: governor of the state has had to declare a state 35 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: of emergency. You declare a state of emergency so that 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: you can get federal funds into your state in order 37 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 1: to help with the cleanup. How often do you think 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: that we're going to be able to tap on fucking 39 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: FEMA's door before all of that money dries up, Because 40 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: instead of safeguarding these communities like Joe Mansion, has the 41 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: opportunity to do against these you know, thousand year floods. 42 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: He's decided that he's going to block the climate change 43 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: part of the infrastructure bill that would help his own 44 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: goddamn state. And what was worse is that when these 45 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: motherfuckers were interviewed on CNN and they were asked by 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: the reporter, so, you know, what do you think about 47 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: climate change and the climate change legislation that is right 48 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: now being stalled because of your senator. I think that 49 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: climate change is a bunch of hoop law, and I 50 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: don't want to play into it, says this stupid, stupid 51 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: man who has been living in a trailer with himself, 52 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: his wife, his two kids, and three dogs because he's 53 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: still rebuilding his fucking home from the thousand year old 54 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: flood that took it out. Yeah, but here's the thing. 55 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: Let's not play into reality. Let's not play into the 56 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: fact that insurance companies are not going to cover right 57 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: your rebuild. Let's not play into the fact that, oh, yeah, 58 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: big coal that you think is supporting your livelihood is 59 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: actually going to cost you your life. How can you 60 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: have a livelihood if your house is under fucking water 61 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: and you can't get to work because the bridges have 62 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: been washed away. That's what they were talking about in 63 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: the segment. Since that thousand year flood in this one 64 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: particular town, they still don't have a grocery store, they 65 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: still don't have an elementary school, and I believe that 66 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: they don't have a courthouse either, because they've been wiped 67 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: away and they have yet to be rebuilt. Joe Mansion 68 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: has been in control of that state for the last 69 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: forty goddamn years, and they are fucking ringing in dead 70 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: last and most societal metrics. And then you have these 71 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: people so fucking brainwashed right by the right wing as 72 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: they're staying standing in water up to their fucking waists 73 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: talking about, Oh, I'm not going to play into climate change? 74 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: Are you dumb? And this is what I realize is 75 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter whether it's Democrats or Republicans, right 76 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: that they don't care about their constituents. They really don't. 77 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: They care about money, They care about themselves, They care 78 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: about you know what is Joe? What is what is 79 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion give a fuck about a thousand year old 80 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: a thousand year flood that's coming. When that motherfucker is 81 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: sitting real nice and high on his seven hundred thousand 82 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: dollars yacht. Right, how do you justify having close to 83 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: a million dollar yacht when the combined average income of 84 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: the people that live in your fucking state does it? 85 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: It hovers around thirty thousand. But you guys keep voting 86 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: for him and then talking about like how your life 87 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: is better. I'm just so confused, I really am. And 88 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, I spent a god awful amount of time 89 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: watching the news the other day and I got to 90 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: tell you that, you know, I turn it off after 91 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: like a couple of hours, and I'm wondering why my 92 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: mood is such shit. I'm wondering why, like I feel 93 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: so anxious, And it's because nothing is being done. The 94 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: news highlights every single problem that we're facing right now, 95 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: and nothing is being taken care of, not one goddamn thing. 96 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: So if people were to ask me, you know, what, 97 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: do you think, what kind of grade would you give 98 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden right now? Which, by the way, he has 99 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: a fifty percent disapproval rating. He has his worst rating 100 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: since he entered into office in January this month. And 101 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: do you know why, because we actually thought that we 102 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: were voting historically for change, not for mediocrity, not for 103 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: a bunch of bullshit executive orders that can be turned 104 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: over with the next president that comes in, as we 105 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: saw with Barack Obama. We've seen what exactly what has 106 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: the Biden Harris administration done over the last ten months. 107 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: Have they locked up the members of Congress that were 108 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: behind the insurrection? Have they locked up anybody that was 109 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: behind the insurrection, the attempted coup to overthrow our government? 110 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: Have they put together a voting rights bill that would 111 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: pass and push back against all of the three hundred 112 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: plus voter suppression laws that have gone out. Have they 113 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: offered up anything to help women's women's rights right to 114 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: ensure that Rovi Wade remains. No, they haven't. Right, you 115 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: have the Justice Department right now that is saying that 116 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: what is happening in Texas to Texas bill is unconstitutional. 117 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: They're asking for a stay by the Supreme Court. But 118 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: guess what, we got a six to three court, so 119 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: that's null and void. You tell me how many justices, 120 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: how many federal justices has fucking Biden put out in 121 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: the last ten months? Right? Anything anything come into mind 122 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: that any justices? Have there been a hundred that have 123 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: been appointed. Have there been fifty? Have there been twenty five? No? 124 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: I think that maybe we have five to ten. I 125 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: am just sick to death of being told there is 126 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: nothing that we can do, knowing that we are about 127 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: to lose the House and the Senate in a year, 128 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: and then what then We will lose the White House 129 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: and we will be right back to where we were 130 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: in the Trump era, and it'll be worse because they 131 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: are emboldened and empowered, and we will have nothing, no recourse, 132 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: no nothing. And I continue to tell people, you better 133 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: fucking enjoy your life right now. You better enjoy each 134 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: and every moment, because what is on the horizon is 135 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: going to be worse than your worst nightmare. It is 136 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: going to be worse than what we experience during the 137 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: Trump era. Because you know what Republicans know, they are 138 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: fucking winning. They are winning across aboard their white evangelical 139 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: Christian white supremacy fucking scheme over the last thirty forty 140 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: years is now coming to fruition. And let me tell 141 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: you something what doctor Jonathan Metzel said earlier this week 142 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: that when a hundred year old law is going to 143 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: be overturned by the Supreme Court, trust and believe that 144 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: every single fucking right that you think that you've had 145 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: and you think is just in stone, including you know, 146 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: the end of slavery, Brown versus the Board of Education, Right, 147 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: all of these things that you think are like sewed 148 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: up and oh, they'll never come for that. Fucking Wake up. 149 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: They are marching right towards it. First they come for 150 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: women's rights, right, and you think that it's going to 151 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: stop an abortion. No, no, no, they are going to 152 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,479 Speaker 1: come for birth control. They are going to come for IVF, 153 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: They're gonna come for surrogacy, They're gonna come for every 154 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: way that they can manipulate and own a woman's body, 155 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: which then will own a woman's future. In this country, 156 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: we love to parade ourselves around the world to talk 157 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: about women's rights and what women need, and we don't 158 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: do dick to project women at home. So again I ask, 159 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: what is a Biden administration doing about that? What is 160 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: a Biden administration doing about the fact that we need 161 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: a voting rights, build a pass, and we need the 162 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: fucking filibuster to be deaded. And you have two fucking 163 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: Democrats right now who the media continues to call moderates 164 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: when that's not what the fuck they are. They are obstructionists. 165 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: They might as well be arsonists to our democracy because 166 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: it is going up in smoke because of them. We 167 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: had a three point five trillion dollar robust bill that 168 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: was going to be life changing, generation changing for this country. 169 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: It is being whittled down, as I fucking speak, because 170 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Mansion doesn't like certain things. I didn't 171 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: get to vote for Joe Mansion, So why the fuck 172 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: does he get to be the one that is making 173 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: decisions for the rest of us. That's the question that 174 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: we should all be asking. You didn't get to vote 175 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: for Joe Mansion. You voted for Joe Biden. But Joe 176 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: Biden isn't the one that's acting like the president of 177 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: the fucking United States right now? Is he looks like 178 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: to me that it's Joe Mansion and fucking Kursen Cinema 179 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: as president and vice president and the people did not 180 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: vote for them. I am sick to death of the inaction. 181 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm sick to death of the iNTS. I'm sick to 182 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: death of being told, well, everyone's hands are tied, because 183 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: when Republicans have power, their hands are never tied. And 184 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: what Glenn Kushner told us last week is like they 185 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: will work inside and outside of the law. They don't 186 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: give a fuck. And you know why they don't give 187 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: a fuck because Democrats never hold their feet to the fire, 188 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: because they're not afraid of Democrats. There is no fear 189 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: there because they know they won't do shit. Steve Bannon 190 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: was just voted nine to zero to be held in 191 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: criminal content. This is gonna be a long drawn out, 192 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: bullshit thing. You tell me why we can't have federal 193 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: agents knocking down that motherfucker's door and dragging him out, 194 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: knowing that he was part of a conspiracy to overthrow 195 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: the fucking government. If he were a brown man, if 196 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: he were a Muslim man, you think that Steve Bannon 197 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: would be fucking walking around these United States open and free, 198 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: or you think that he would be in somebody's fucking 199 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: federal prison awaiting a fucking trial. I would love for 200 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: us to have the same goddamn standards that have been 201 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: put in place to put black and brown and poor 202 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: people in their place, to put the wealthy, white and 203 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: privilege in their fucking place. But alas we do not. 204 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this country, this administration is an entire 205 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: fucking disappointment. So if you find yourself most days just 206 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: being like, you know what, I want to stop caring. 207 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: I feel you, I am you and you are me. 208 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: Because the rage is just it doesn't go anywhere. I 209 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: can't figure out a vessel to put it in. I 210 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: feel like most days i am screaming out into the 211 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: void because I'm looking around at the people who are 212 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: in power, who have open ears and open eyes, and 213 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: yet are pretending like we're not under attack, like that 214 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: we are not at war with authoritarian fascist right now, 215 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: Wake the fuck up, Woosa wo Sa Friends. Coming up 216 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: next is my conversation with Nadia Okamoto. She is the 217 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: host of a new show called Tigress, and we will 218 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: get into a really great conversation on reproductive rights, on periods, 219 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: on menstrual cycles. That is coming up next, folks. I 220 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: am so excited to not only welcome onto Okay, but 221 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: into the DCP entertainment family, Nadia Okamoto, host of the 222 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: new show Ti Griff. I am really excited to talk 223 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: to you because your background, the work that you have 224 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: already done is so interesting. You're the co founder of August, 225 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: which is a lifestyle period brand working to reimagine periods. 226 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: Talk to me about that being as how right now 227 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: we're kind of devolving into the Handmaid's Tale, where we are, 228 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, setting up the situation, a scenario in which 229 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: it is becoming completely normalized in Okay to go back 230 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: to policing women's bodies and policing women's reproduction. We barely 231 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: have normal commercials about periods on television when we're selling tampons, right, 232 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: So talk to me about what it means to reimagine 233 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: the period. Yeah, I mean, I think it's really interesting 234 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: that you bring up the Handmaid's Tale, which, by the 235 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: way of the show I could not watch because it 236 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: made me so angry because it is terrifyingly realistic in 237 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: some ways. Right, but you know, I think, you know, 238 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: kind of building off of that. A huge part of 239 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: my mission with August Branding and reimagining period care is 240 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: to say this is a part of our biological process 241 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: that makes human life possible and needs to be treated 242 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: as the magical, powerful thing that it is. Right. That 243 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: means being very upfront about period blood. I post multiple 244 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: videos of period blood on TikTok a day of my 245 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: own period blood and showing how the products actually work, 246 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: and being open about period pain so people aren't having 247 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: to suffer in silence, talking about the inequalities around access 248 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,479 Speaker 1: to period care, which I believe should be completely subsidized 249 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: and supported for free. And I think also when we 250 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: talk about reimagining periods similar to the Handmaid's Tale, which 251 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: equates women to having a sole purpose and utility of 252 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: bearing children, I think that's been a lot of the 253 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: conversation around periods. Right. When you're taught as a young 254 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: person what a period is, You're taught that is when 255 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: you can now bear children, right, when menopauses when you 256 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: cannot bear children anymore? Right? And how we know what 257 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: it means when you do or do not get your 258 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: period is whether you're pregnant or not. Right. And I 259 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: think that a lot of what we wanted to do 260 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: was throughout history, when you look at period ads, it's 261 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, buy our products so that you can hide 262 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: your period, you can forget about it, and you can 263 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: attract the date. Right. How many period ads have we 264 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: seen throughout history where it's like, oh, when she puts 265 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: the tamp on in her date picks her up and 266 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: they have like a great date and she's wearing a 267 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: white dress, right, Yeah, And I think that a lot 268 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: of what we're trying to say is like, yes, your 269 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: period is linked to fertility, by de fact, that does 270 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: not mean having a period as preparing us for motherhood. 271 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: And it's not means that having a period is defining 272 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: our utility as someone who can produce, right, and really 273 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: just saying my period is my period and just something 274 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to take care of for my body. You know, 275 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: It's so funny because I can think, you know, I 276 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: have such vivid memories of when I first got my 277 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: period because I was very young. I was ten years old, right, 278 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: and so I remember being ten and I was foolishly 279 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: excited about it because I thought it meant that I 280 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: was like becoming a woman, right, because this is what 281 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: you were told. And you know, but I remember during 282 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: that time, you know, my mother is a nurse by trade, 283 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: so we had like real conversations about your period, about 284 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: your body, about why you were going to feel uncomfortable 285 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: if you were bloating what you know, what was actually happening, 286 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: That it wasn't something to just ignore, right, that it 287 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: was like a part of your body. I think what's 288 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: really interesting is that since you know, many many, many 289 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: thousands of moons ago that I got my first period, 290 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: that we haven't evolved in the conversations that we have 291 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: about it, right, Like, I still go into an obgyn 292 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: and I'm still learning new things, and I'm saying, where 293 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: is the research. We are more than half of the 294 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: population in the United States, and I'm so confused about 295 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: why we don't have like real conversations about what's going 296 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: on with the body, about how it equates, you know, 297 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: with the moons, with the ocean, with water, with all 298 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: of these facets of you know, our lives, and we 299 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: just don't talk about it. And I can remember even 300 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: an episode and this will you know not age well 301 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: because of who Bill Cosby is now, but on The 302 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: Cosby Show, when the young character Rudy got her period, 303 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: it was a big deal. It was a purposeful episode 304 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: about womanhood and about you know, power and and you know, 305 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: in fertility and all of these different things. And I remember, 306 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: because I was around her age it being something that 307 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: was celebrated. What do you think needs to happen? Right? 308 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: Because even I just I can't imagine what young girls 309 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: and boys should be learning now in school when they're 310 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: taking health classes and sex said and whatever it is 311 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: that they're doing. I don't ever remember learning about how 312 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: my body changes, like what is to be expected. It 313 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: was just like here's a banana. This is how you 314 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: put on a condom, you know, go on your way. Yeah, 315 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean. And one thing I really want to point 316 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: out too is I think part of our mission of 317 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: reimagining periods is to actually not equate it with womanhood, right. 318 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: I think you know. I also when I got my 319 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: first period, my mom celebrated and said, you're a woman, right, 320 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I understood, like having boobs 321 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: and getting a period was like, now I'm a woman, right. 322 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of our mission with 323 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: August is to create like a truly gender inclusive brand, 324 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: because not everyone who gets a period is identifies as 325 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: a woman. Yeah, some might be transgender or non binary. 326 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: And I think really making that distinction between gender as 327 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: a social construct and sex is very necessary. I also 328 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: think that when you look at the discrimination around periods, right, 329 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: whether it be you know, in other countries, girls not 330 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: being able to go to school when they're other period right, 331 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: And it's like because when you get your period, you 332 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: get married off and have kids. Right, when you get 333 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: your period is when female gender and mutilation happens, because 334 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: now you're a woman that needs to be censored. Right. 335 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: So I think that even when we have these you know, 336 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: quote unquote positive examples of periods in mainstream media, in 337 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: the very small instances where it happens, it's done so 338 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: in a way where it's getting your period equals being 339 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: a woman, right Biologically, that's saying being a woman being 340 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: grown means that I can have children, right. And so 341 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of what we're trying to do, 342 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: even with the language that we use, right, we don't 343 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: say feminine care because feminine is an incorrect term. It's 344 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: not only X exclusive. Feminine is about gender expression, not 345 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: gender identity, nor does it have to do with biological 346 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: sex in your organs. Right. So I think that there's 347 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: so just so much there, you know, I think a 348 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: lot of it. What was your question again, everything that 349 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: you were saying it was good, and I'm like, I 350 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: don't even remember, oh, gon sex said? Okay, yes, So 351 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think the fact that we 352 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: even have sex said in some schools is still like 353 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: like unfortunately, like that is still a big deal. Right 354 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: in most schools, sex said does not happen full stop 355 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: period Right. When we used to do educational initiatives around 356 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: trying to go on the nonprofit I worked on, when 357 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: we would trying to go to schools to talk about periods, 358 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: we could not do it in public schools because it 359 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: was considered such an inappropriate topic. We needed to get 360 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: permission slips from parents about right, Like, this is a 361 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: topic that is not considered appropriate. Right, I mean so 362 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: menstruation as a whole. You would have needed to get 363 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: a permission slip to have a conversation about something, Okay 364 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: in most schools that we went to, Yeah, like that 365 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: was the case, and it was such a barrier that 366 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: we could not have those conversations right in the chance, 367 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: Like for me, I learned sex that it was one afternoon, right, 368 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: and the girls went into one classroom, the boys went 369 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: to other. Right, So also setting up gender binary. But 370 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: then you talk about the basics, right, this is what 371 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: a tampon is, This is what a pad is. Blood 372 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: will come out like once a month, and it just 373 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: means you're not pregnant. Right, And here's a tampon, here's 374 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: a pad you might have cramps. Right, we don't learn 375 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: about what color period blood is the fact that like 376 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: it's coming out of the vagina, which is not the 377 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: external part, it's actually the canal, right, and like knowing 378 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: the language. But also I think that where it's so 379 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: important that we get comfortable talking about periods is well 380 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: we talk about periods in mainstream media. It's referred to 381 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: as like just when blood comes out, right, And I 382 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: think the reason why I don't say August is a 383 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: period product company, say we're a lifestyle period brand, because 384 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: there's a difference between period and a mensonal cycle. Right. 385 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: A period is when blood is coming out. The mental 386 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: cycle is the twenty four to seven happening all the 387 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: time cycle, right, And getting your period is not just 388 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: the blood, it's the period pain, right. And cramps aren't 389 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: all the time just cramps. It's also uterine fibroids, endometriosis, 390 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,239 Speaker 1: so many other conditions that are completely underdiagnosed that are 391 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: such intersectional issues that we don't talked about because we 392 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: don't talk about periods. Right, So even when we talk 393 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: about period cramps, if we do not educate young men 394 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: streaters about period pain, they will they are conditioned to 395 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: even gaslight themselves for the very real pain that they're experiencing. Right, 396 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: If we don't teach non men streaters like young sis 397 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: boys to talk about periods, we will continue with the 398 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: stigma where people are afraid of being ridiculed for advocating 399 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: for their own health. Right, and that not only has 400 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: repercussions on someone's individual period experience, that expands to period 401 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: poverty when you're looking at whole communities, right, and when 402 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: you look at period pain, I think, which is a 403 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: very very concrete example, like black women are three times 404 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: as likely to have uterine fibroids, where hasn't been you know, 405 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: understanding around it, and because of the racism in our 406 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: healthcare system, they are three to four times as likely 407 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: to be recommended and to have hysterectomies, which in a 408 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: way is kind of like by perpetuating it. It's like 409 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: for sterilization, which we've seen throughout history. Yeah, we've made 410 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: progress in terms of what this situation used to be, 411 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: but still that's happening today, Like those numbers are still 412 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: there today, and I think that a lot of it 413 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: is we can't talk about that issue if we don't 414 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: talk about periods in the first place. And if we 415 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: don't teach people and create a culture where when you 416 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: have period pain, you go to the doctor and you're 417 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: not just saying, oh, that's just cramps, but it's like 418 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: you're really taught to be in touch with your body 419 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: and talking about it and advocating for it. You know. 420 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: The funny thing too, is that we're actually taught the 421 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: opposite right not to talk about it, don't mention it. 422 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: You know, you brought up hysterectomies. My late grandmother, after 423 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 1: birthing five children, had a hysterectomy. In later when I 424 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: was older, I believe that I asked my mother why 425 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: the doctor had recommended she have a hysterectomy. This was 426 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: at a time when they were given out hysterirectomies, the 427 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: way that they were taking tonsils out and thinking that 428 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: there weren't any repercussions to that. It's like, oh, it's 429 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: just removed and then you'll be fine. No, you've created 430 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: an entire imbalance now in the body that can push 431 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: people into early menopause, push women into really manic depression 432 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: because you're altering hormones when that happens. But again, that 433 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: none of that was part of the education process. And 434 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: I realized too that it was because we don't teach 435 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: medical school students still about like the details around around 436 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: around a woman's body, just like in general. And I 437 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: say woman because in there are very few doctors right now, 438 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: like very few places where you can go and have 439 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: this conversation and people not what do you mean when 440 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: you say that there are people who are not women 441 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: who are who have periods? That makes no sense. How 442 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: do you teach people or how can people learn to 443 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 1: unpack and distill those very distinct things down when we 444 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: have all been programmed into into thinking that way. Because 445 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: I just I just recent and I'm queer, and I 446 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: just recently started when I was talking about the reproductive 447 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: justice issues and problems and the hell that Abbot has 448 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: released on Texas and the country. Have been talking about 449 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: people who can give birth right people with you to 450 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: like I have been, and that is a new thing 451 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: to be changing the language to be more inclusive and expansive. 452 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: But how do you teach people how to unpack those 453 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: things that they've been pre programmed to understand? I mean, 454 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: so this is actually like something that I've worked on 455 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: originally from the you know, several years ago, I was 456 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: chief brand officer to gen Z Marketing Agency and we 457 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: worked with a lot of large corporations on how to 458 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: create like workforces for the next generation, and pronouns was 459 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: a huge part of it. And I think that pronouns 460 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: were and solar like one of the hardest things to 461 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: teach people of a different generation where they've spent decades 462 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: thinking boy or girl, right, boy or girl? Boy or 463 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: girl like when you meet someone, And I think that 464 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: it actually has to do with going all the way 465 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: back and thinking like asking them like, what does it 466 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: actually mean to be a man? Like what is masculinity? 467 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: And separating gender expression to gender identity to biological sex, right, 468 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: And I think that really understanding that is how you're 469 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: able to be like, Okay, but don't you don't we 470 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: understand that even if I have a penis, that doesn't 471 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: mean I'm a masculine macho identify as a guy, right, 472 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: That can mean I express myself in different ways. That 473 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 1: can mean I identify in different ways. And what does 474 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: it mean to be like? These are the questions we ask, 475 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: right when you draw a man on a piece of paper, 476 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: why is it that people in when we run these workshops. 477 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: Why do most people draw tie? Right when you draw 478 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: a woman? Why is it that you often draw a 479 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: necklace or boobs or you know, long hair, right? But 480 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: we know women you have short hair? Does that make 481 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: them less of a right? So, like, I think a 482 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: lot of unpacking this is actually kind of going to 483 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: that going to the very basics, which is like, okay, 484 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: well where does that education needs to start, like elementary school, 485 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: right in the household? Right? So I think a lot 486 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: of it does have to happen in the schools. But 487 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: I think what's really interesting is like the language pieces. 488 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: Something I think about a lot, because when we work internationally, 489 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: if we talk about menstruators and we don't use gendered terms, 490 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: we get nothing done right, like, And it's something that 491 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: I really struggle with, especially I used to travel internationally 492 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: pre pandemic and doing a lot of this advocacy. I'd 493 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: walk into rooms. Actually once I was in South Africa 494 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: and I was like talking about people with periods and menstruators, 495 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: and they were so upset, Like the people I was 496 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: meeting with, so upset and so angry that I could 497 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: even think that that they completely like discredited the fact 498 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: that we should even have that conversation, right, And so 499 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of wait, wait before you move, 500 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: because I want to understand what was it that was 501 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: upsetting them, the feeling that identity anything and anything. Yeah, right, 502 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: And so I think that a lot of it is, 503 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, the US. Also, the US is still fucked 504 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: up and we have so much work to do. But 505 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: in comparison to a lot of other communities around the world, 506 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: the fact that we can sit here on a podcast 507 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: that is like a mainstream podcast talking about trans identity, 508 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: and like, that's why I think I have a responsibility 509 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: as a SIS yes, queer person of color to like 510 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: come up and like talk about this. But I also 511 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: think that what I've not what I've what I've seen 512 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: is when working internationally or in communities where even bringing 513 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: that up is so angering that it actually discounts for 514 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: even having it. And it's just like and then the 515 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: question that I went I'm not a therapist, but the 516 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: question that I would ask is, like, where is your 517 00:29:53,760 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: anger coming from? Yeah? As always, dear friends, power to 518 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power get woke 519 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.