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Speaker 2: see you again. Ryan, my friend. Everybody likes the fist bump.

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Speaker 2: And we've got a resident Hall monitor here, Emily Joshinski.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually taking over their show.

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Speaker 2: So here there she is, Emily joining us live from

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Speaker 2: Thank you all so much. Chrisl unfortunately not able to

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Speaker 2: all of the election results last night in the state

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Speaker 2: of New Hampshire. I'm also going to stick around. We'll

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Speaker 2: But before we tease far too much of our plans,

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Speaker 2: let's actually break down what the hell happened in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: I brought everybody the news last night that president, our

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Speaker 2: former president, Donald Trump did win the New Hampshire primary.

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Speaker 2: We now know exactly how much he won. And he

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Speaker 2: gave a victory speech last night, very much framing this

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he said.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank everybody. This is a fantastic state.

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Speaker 1: This is a great, great state. You know, we won

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Speaker 4: Win it.

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Speaker 1: Every time we win the primary, we win the generals.

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Speaker 1: We've won it, and it's a very very special place

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Speaker 1: She lost. And you know, last week we had a

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Speaker 5: Almost every pole, and she doesn't win those polls. And

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Speaker 5: she doesn't win those This is not your typical victory speech.

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Speaker 5: But let's not have somebody take a victory when she

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Speaker 2: So that's going to be a very common talking point there,

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley. We can now say did win about but

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Speaker 6: To congratulate Donald Trump on his victory tonight. He earned it,

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Speaker 6: and I want to acknowledge that. Now you've all heard

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Speaker 6: They're falling all over themselves saying this race is over. Well,

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Speaker 6: I have news for all of them. New Hampshire is

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Speaker 7: There are dozens of states left to go, and the

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Speaker 6: With Donald Trump, Republicans have lost almost every competitive election.

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Speaker 6: We lost the Senate, we lost the House, we lost

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Speaker 6: The worst kept secret in politics is how badly the

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Speaker 2: All right, very enthusiastic crowd. I could say that for

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Speaker 2: the things that we saw there there we go fifty

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Speaker 3: For whoever those people work, what do you make of

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Speaker 9: Yes, just when everyone thought they had a bro show.

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Speaker 9: I am here to play hall monitor. But I will

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Speaker 9: also add that Nikkia Haley has spent an obscene amount

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Speaker 8: She also now outspent everyone in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 9: I have the information right in front of This is

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Speaker 9: campaign and supportive outside groups have spent more than thirty

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Speaker 8: Now, so far in twenty twenty four, they wrote.

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Speaker 9: Haley's campaign and its allies has spent about twelve point

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Speaker 9: and she is now saying that there's still some path

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Speaker 8: She does not have the path to the nomination.

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Speaker 9: The media enjoys a competitive storyline, and Nicki Haley is

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Speaker 8: She can ride this out as.

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Speaker 9: Much as she wanted, as much as she wants because

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Speaker 8: Her money, at least for the next month or so.

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Speaker 9: She is down and you heard her there just say

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Speaker 8: One, fifty two to twenty one.

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Speaker 9: So not even all the money in the world can

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Speaker 10: Ryan, what's your reaction, Well, one quick little kind of

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Speaker 10: he said, we've always won the primaries. True, we also

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Speaker 10: But Emily's point is great because you know, you can

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Speaker 10: by ten ten, ten plus points or so. But when

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Speaker 3: You know, she did. She didn't lose by twenty she

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Speaker 2: Here's what people need to remember, Okay, in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 3: When it was a closed.

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Speaker 2: System like the GOP primary in I always you got

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Speaker 3: So we've got two separate clips that we can show people.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 11: And why did you vote for Nicki Haley?

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Speaker 3: It's a vote against Trump.

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Speaker 12: I think it would be better to have her against

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Speaker 3: Then it would be Trump.

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Speaker 11: In her do you consider yourself generally independent, Republican or

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Speaker 11: Democrat Democrat? So when you undeclared you voted for Niki Haley.

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Speaker 11: If it was Nicki Haley against Joe Biden in the

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Speaker 11: general election, who are you voting for?

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Speaker 3: Christian? Who did you vote for?

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Speaker 3: So thank you.

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Speaker 4: I voted for Nicki Haley, and it was certainly a

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Speaker 4: strategic vote. I think the DNC is fairly resolute and

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Speaker 4: their nomination for Joe Biden. And while I wouldn't vote

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Speaker 4: or incarceration rates, I think a vote for Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: But what stuck out to me, Emily is that Trumps

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Speaker 8: And that's that.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that Biden legitimately won in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: But if you're trailing that hard, you.

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Speaker 10: Right, Yes, And Nikki Haley in her speech last night,

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Speaker 13: It's just that Republican voters don't they don't care, don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then well I also have a point of

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Speaker 9: But again, Republican voters, to all of the points that

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Speaker 2: I mean, we see this in the ideology numbers too.

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Speaker 2: Again just showing why Nikki Haley did overperform here. But

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Speaker 2: This is one where you know, I could spend all

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Speaker 2: But the issue is that, look for Republicans and now

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Speaker 8: There's a possibility that Trump goes to jail. I get it.

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Speaker 2: will be tied. I'm curious, you know, if you guys think,

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Speaker 2: do you think she'll drop before South Carolina, like maybe

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Speaker 2: the day before something like that, if the polling position,

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Speaker 2: if the you know, the black Swan event or whatever

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Speaker 2: doesn't happen, Ryan, you first, and.

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Speaker 10: Then you could certainly imagine that happening, because who wants

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Speaker 10: to lose by forty in your home state?

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Speaker 3: Right, It's it's brutal, it's horrible, right, But yes, you know.

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Speaker 10: If you stick around for three four weeks and something happens,

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Speaker 10: then she's kind of the front runner, you know, fending

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Speaker 10: off everybody who jumps back in, but you know, absent that, like,

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Speaker 10: why would you want to get waxed in your own

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Speaker 10: home state?

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Emily, what do you think you think she'll drop

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Speaker 2: out before South Carolina? Or do you think she'll stay

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Speaker 2: in and then you know, get she'll lose there and

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Speaker 2: then she'll drop out that night. It just seems so

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Speaker 2: brutal because her most By the way, have you guys

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Speaker 2: watched the evolution of her talking point, She's like, I've

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Speaker 2: never lost an election that I'm in, And now last

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Speaker 2: night I picked up on this. It was I've never

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Speaker 2: lost an election in South Carolina. So now I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a pretty good talking point. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure I would want to let that one go

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Speaker 2: if I were her. But you know, the ego can

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Speaker 2: do a lot of things to people's to people's minds.

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Speaker 3: What do you think we should get a.

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Speaker 8: Clip of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I'm up two minds about this because I actually think

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Speaker 9: right now, there's a lot of cash to be one

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Speaker 9: And I say cash not c A s H but

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Speaker 9: c ah, because when you stay in and become the

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Speaker 9: single issue never Trump candidate, you can do like that

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Speaker 9: that will make her a hero with the people, say,

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Speaker 9: people who put her on the Boeing board, and that

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Speaker 9: seems to be to me what she cares about.

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Speaker 8: The sort of Tea party era, a.

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Speaker 9: Chameleon who then became Trump's un ambassador, was super Trumpy,

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Speaker 9: is now back to be never Trumpy.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 8: You can just win a.

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Speaker 9: Lot of you know, kind of accolades from the donor

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Speaker 9: class and the media by staying in and being the

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Speaker 9: single issue never Trump bulwark, Uh to use the phrase bullwark.

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Speaker 9: And so I'm two minds. So does she do that

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Speaker 9: all the way to the bitter end and be that

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Speaker 9: person that the media goes to for the anti Trump

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Speaker 9: talking points, be that person who can then be the

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Speaker 9: sort of champion of the never Trump.

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Speaker 8: World going forward. I don't know, but.

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Speaker 9: I think there's something to what Ryan said and what

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Speaker 9: you said, Sager.

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Speaker 8: I agree.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I have a hard time of seeing somebody

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Speaker 9: put putting themselves through that level of humiliation. At the

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Speaker 9: same time, if you're doing it for the virtuous cause,

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Speaker 9: then maybe that's the audience she really cares about.

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Speaker 2: Now exactly exactly right. Okay, let's move on to the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a little bit of a look at the

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Speaker 2: results from last night. Let's go to put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen and let's see what were the

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Speaker 2: actual results, folks. Okay, so Joe Biden, it appears one

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Speaker 2: fifty one point five percent of the vote. We've got

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Speaker 2: Dean Phillips at nineteen point eight. The key thing here

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Speaker 2: is unprocessed, right ins. Some of those, Ryan, I think

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Speaker 2: are going to go to Biden, some could go to

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Speaker 2: the ceasefire. Then you've got other rite ins. I'm not

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Speaker 2: really sure what that even means. They didn't seem to

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Speaker 2: tabulate it. Marian Williamson coming in at four point seven percent,

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Speaker 2: so I can go ahead and give them a cull by.

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Speaker 2: I was definitely wrong about Dean. I thought he was

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Speaker 2: going to overperform. I thought his name being on the

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Speaker 2: ballot would come out to thirty. But you know what, guys,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know a lot of these voters, and

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Speaker 2: I saw some various interviews on you know, MSNBC or CNN.

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Speaker 2: I was I was like switching through just to see

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Speaker 2: what exactly some of the live conversations with these democrats were.

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Speaker 2: In general, Ryan, a lot of them were people who

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Speaker 2: were just normal Democrats and they're like Hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just came out I like to vote.

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Speaker 3: We take we take this very seriously in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like I teach One of them was

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Speaker 2: a teacher, like I teach my kids about CI responsibility

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Speaker 2: and they were like, oh cool, So why did you

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Speaker 2: come out to vote? And she's like, you know, I

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Speaker 2: just like Biden came in, right, Biden, This no big deal.

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Speaker 2: It's like seven pm or whatever. And I was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's actually a very sweet thing. It's very

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Speaker 2: clear that New Hampshire to them overwhelmingly the interviews that

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Speaker 2: I saw on TV but also Twitter, Michael Tracy for example,

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Speaker 2: these people.

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Speaker 3: Take this shit seriously. I mean they really take it seriously,

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Speaker 3: like coming out to actually vote.

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Speaker 2: I'm how else in a you know, uncompetitive vertu basically

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Speaker 2: primary on both sides, you have record turnout fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: some votes in the GOP primary, decent amount of votes

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Speaker 2: that were cast, you know, in the Democratic primary. So

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Speaker 2: give us your you know, Democratic primary.

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Speaker 10: Take from amsure right and so so far, and the

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Speaker 10: New York Times breaks down the right ends as six

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Speaker 10: thousand at this point, six thousand, six hundred and eight.

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Speaker 10: Other right ends yes, and I would think almost all

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Speaker 10: of those are ceasefire, except.

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Speaker 3: When will we know that?

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Speaker 10: Do you know in the next day, like today? We

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Speaker 10: should know today or tomorrow, which I had. You know,

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Speaker 10: the organizers in the campaign were talking hundreds or maybe

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Speaker 10: low thousands, So if they ended up over six thousand,

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Speaker 10: that's a pretty significant kind of variant.

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Speaker 3: It was pretty crazy.

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Speaker 10: Well, it looks like they're going to beat Mariyan Williams,

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Speaker 10: who only had five thousand votes and just under five percent. Right,

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Speaker 10: then there's unprocessed right INDs, which they describe as just

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Speaker 10: ones that haven't been counted yet. Most of those are

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Speaker 10: probably just based on the numbers. If he got fifty

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Speaker 10: percent of what's been already been counted, you can imagine

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Speaker 10: he's going to get at least fifty percent of the

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Speaker 10: remaining unprocessed.

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Speaker 3: Right. That's but you could be looking at, uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: ten percent of.

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Speaker 10: The electorate voting for ceasefire to if this, if this

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Speaker 10: pans out the way it looks like it possibly could,

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Speaker 10: which is far and away more than people thought was

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Speaker 10: way more like remotely possible. But well, we'll see, because

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Speaker 10: you're just looking at a black Boxy Rine.

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Speaker 2: Will be with me on the main show tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about that just to see when we get

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Speaker 2: the final number.

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Speaker 3: Emily, what's your overall take?

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Speaker 2: You know for the Democratic primary, I mean, wasn't all

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Speaker 2: that unexpected per se, But you know, Biden did a

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Speaker 2: lot better than I thought it would. You know, I

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Speaker 2: think Crystal had him at sixty. It looks like you'd

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Speaker 2: come in around fifty one, but where might help at sixty.

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Speaker 2: You might actually rive at sixty. So she seems to

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Speaker 2: be like dead on the money in that case. The

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Speaker 2: polls you're mostly correct and overwhelming victory for him, even

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Speaker 2: though he literally wasn't on the state. So his riding

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Speaker 2: campaign seems to have worked. You know, the voter suppression

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Speaker 2: and all that weird campaign that we covered yesterday, all

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Speaker 2: that seems to be okay. And Dean, you know, you

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Speaker 2: only cracking twenty percent, but I mean, I guess you

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Speaker 2: could look at it two ways. Twenty percent is also

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Speaker 2: not nothing. That's one if the people who did come

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Speaker 2: out to vote. He definitely had the advantage of having

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Speaker 2: his name on the ballot, but you only latched his

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Speaker 2: campaign a couple of weeks ago, so you know, he's

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Speaker 2: not dropping out of the race yet, So we'll see

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Speaker 2: before I play his reaction.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I mean I think that's true because when

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Speaker 9: you're running in New Hampshire, you lay the groundwork there

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Speaker 9: for months and months and months, you know, Ronda Santis

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Speaker 9: on the ground, on the ground in Iowa. He put

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Speaker 9: all his eggs in an Iowa basket. He was there

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Speaker 9: for better part of a year. And when you're doing that,

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Speaker 9: typically and you want to win a primary, you spend

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Speaker 9: tons of time and there, you spend tons of money there.

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Speaker 9: But it's over months and months, not just over the

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Speaker 9: short period. That said, I was a little surprised that

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Speaker 9: his number was that low.

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Speaker 8: I would have probably put it up.

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Speaker 9: Five ten points higher, just in my gus, because there

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Speaker 9: was just New Hampshire voters I think really were given

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Speaker 9: the middle finger by the DNC, and I expected some

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Speaker 9: of that anger to be taken out by protest votes

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Speaker 9: or Team Phillips America, So probaly would have put them

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Speaker 9: a little higher.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you have more respect for a Democratic voters than

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Speaker 10: they have for themselves.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, please stompbo me, stomp on me, please

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Speaker 2: smack me again.

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Speaker 3: There's more word for that I won't get into it.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and play Dean Phillips and

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Speaker 2: let's see what he had to say about the results

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Speaker 2: last night.

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Speaker 12: Congratulations to President Biden, who absolutely won tonight, but by

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Speaker 12: no means in a way that a strong incumbent president should.

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Speaker 12: But I respect him he won. I want to congratulate

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Speaker 12: former President Trump for winning tonight as well. But Nikki

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Speaker 12: Hayley just said she's been here working for a year. Well,

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Speaker 12: we've been at this for ten weeks, my friends. We

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Speaker 12: decided two weeks before the October twenty seven deadline to

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Speaker 12: come up to CONCUERD bring a thousand dollars check. I

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Speaker 12: was thirty five years old or older, and I was

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Speaker 12: born in the US, so we became a presidential candidate.

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Speaker 12: We and we just earned twenty percent tonight, And no

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Speaker 12: one knew who you were ten weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Nobody.

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Speaker 12: I know the exhausted majority of this center right and

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Speaker 12: center left Americans, I know they'd much rather see a

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Speaker 12: Nikki Haley Dean Phillips matchup this November. And we're gonna

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Speaker 12: try to get that done.

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Speaker 3: All right, I mean, we're gonna get that done.

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Speaker 2: We'll see I guess like he's got the same thing

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Speaker 2: he now he's got.

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Speaker 3: To go to South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Anybody want to tell me how a young white guy

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Speaker 2: fared in South Carolina last time? Ryn, you know, a

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Speaker 2: very similar political ideology to mister Phillips versus Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: How out of that workout?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I listen, I think I'll probably lose

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Speaker 2: even bigger than Budda Judge did in that stage.

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Speaker 10: And Buddha Judge the favorite story that I wrote in

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Speaker 10: the entire cycle.

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Speaker 3: I remember this, you remember the faith absolutely.

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Speaker 10: He just lied about having some black support, like and

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Speaker 10: I called them up and they're like, Frederick Douglas plan,

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Speaker 10: I don't endorse this, and I don't endorse Pete Bootage.

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Speaker 3: What is going on? It's like, well, yeah, how did

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Speaker 3: my name get on there?

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Speaker 10: So maybe that's Dean's path in South Carolina, just to

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Speaker 10: put some people's names down without without asking them.

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Speaker 8: But he had a black friend, and Ryan was.

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Speaker 3: Like called nut friends.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we don't have any there's been no Marianne has

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Speaker 2: not as far as we can find. Our team was

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Speaker 2: not able to find any video or rally or anything

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Speaker 2: from last night, but we did try just for anybody

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Speaker 2: who was wondering.

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Speaker 10: The extreme blackout of the primary on Democratic kind of

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Speaker 10: a line in media MSNBC, in New York Times I

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Speaker 10: think contributed to this. There was a moment last night

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Speaker 10: on on MSNBC where Rachel Maddow was kind of announcing

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Speaker 10: the results and she says, and she reads out the

667
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Speaker 10: totals and for miss Williams reads her totals like that's

668
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Speaker 10: Mary Anne names Marianne, she did know her name, and

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Speaker 10: mss and mister Phillips his name is Dean. And she

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Speaker 10: then congratulated herself for like getting getting their names right.

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Speaker 3: This is like deeply smug, like it.

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Speaker 10: Looked like an act, like you know, Mary Williamson's name,

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Speaker 10: best selling author for decades, Like come on, everybody in

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Speaker 10: western Massachusetts loves Mary Williams.

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Speaker 3: Also, am I the only one who thought Matt I

676
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Speaker 3: looked like a Bond villain? Can I? Can I say that?

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Speaker 2: Did you guys note that it was like an all

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Speaker 2: black turtleneck thing with it was an interesting look?

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Speaker 8: But where I come in as hall monitor? Yeah yeah, misogynist?

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Speaker 3: Is that masts?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah true? Yeah, there you go. I'm giving her a compliments.

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Speaker 2: She would be a good Bond villain in many ways

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Speaker 2: of a villain here in the US. I'm all right,

685
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Speaker 2: so let's okay wrap up our thoughts here for the primer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, we knew it was going to be

687
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Speaker 2: over any chance, I think for Dean, and all of

688
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Speaker 2: them basically evaporated last night. Andrew yang who has been

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Speaker 2: a major Dean Phillips backer, he basically I guess both

690
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Speaker 2: him and Phillips they intimated they're not dropping out. Andrew

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Speaker 2: Yank's like, we're continuing this because I don't want to

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Speaker 2: watch Joe Biden's concession speech.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I mean, this

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Speaker 3: thing just looks locked in. I mean, you know, in general.

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Speaker 2: That's why I was trying to bring in some general

696
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Speaker 2: election polling in our previous block about Republican Republican results,

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Speaker 2: because it just seems foolish to even pretend now at

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Speaker 2: this point. So what was what can we maybe glean

699
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Speaker 2: from this primary for the overall general election. Biden clearly

700
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Speaker 2: in a strong position with the Democratic base at least

701
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Speaker 2: whenever it comes to votes, even it doesn't necessarily match

702
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Speaker 2: up with some of the polling that says a lot

703
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Speaker 2: of people were disgusted with him, with his age. They're

704
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Speaker 2: very disgruntled. Many of them are still willing to you know,

705
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Speaker 2: even in the Haley case, for example, if we sub

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Speaker 2: her out for Biden, I think the majority of the

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Speaker 2: people who came out to vote for Nikki Haley last

708
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Speaker 2: night did so because her name was not Trump. Very

709
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Speaker 2: very similar emily to the dynamic of Joe Biden in

710
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election, and it seems that force could

711
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Speaker 2: not just be more pop not just as potent's twenty twenty,

712
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Speaker 2: it actually be more potent. So Biden may not be

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Speaker 2: as weak position, you know, as we might have thought

714
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Speaker 2: a year or so ago.

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Speaker 8: What do you think, Oh, that's an interesting point. I

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Speaker 8: actually hadn't thought about that.

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Speaker 9: I think there's probably truth there, Jennething I would say,

718
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Speaker 9: is you know, when we're looking at the general election

719
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Speaker 9: from primaries, I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I never know what to draw from it, just because

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Speaker 8: to your point.

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Speaker 9: One of the reasons I think Dean Phillips and probably

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Speaker 9: Nikki Haley too, I think this maybe applies to both

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Speaker 9: of them wants.

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Speaker 8: To stay in the race.

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Speaker 9: Is that, you know, black swan event with something unpredicted

727
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Speaker 9: with Biden's health or I shouldn't say unpredicted because a

728
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Speaker 9: lot of people have made predictions about Joe Biden's health.

729
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Speaker 9: But if something happens to Joe Biden, you sort of

730
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Speaker 9: have an air apparent.

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Speaker 8: If as these states.

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Speaker 9: Go on, Dean Phillips is able to wrack up, you know,

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Speaker 9: significant chunks of the vote, and I think twenty percent

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Speaker 9: in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 8: I mean, to your point, like, it's not nothing, and.

736
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Speaker 9: So if he keeps showing that he's someone that can,

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Speaker 9: you know, get some support, then maybe he's in a

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Speaker 9: position if something happens to Biden.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: That's my guess as to why he stays in. That's

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Speaker 9: one of the reasons I think Nikki Haley would want

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Speaker 9: to stay in. But you know, it's just like, I

743
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Speaker 9: have no idea what's going to happen between now and

744
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Speaker 9: next November, in terms of the economy, in terms of

745
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Speaker 9: what we're about to talk about next, which is Israel, Ukraine,

746
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Speaker 9: all of that. So it's just really hard because I

747
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Speaker 9: think it's going to be a close election either.

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Speaker 3: Way, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Look, I don't think there's this slam dunk

750
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Speaker 2: in either case. I still put it at fifty to fifty.

751
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't even give the edge to either of them.

752
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Speaker 2: I think that's too high for both of them. Franklin,

753
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Speaker 2: I think that's I mean, that's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of how a lot of people feel.

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Speaker 2: That's how a lot of people feel about the election.

756
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Speaker 2: But even though it's very common, everyone says, and including me,

757
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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the election nobody wants. But listen,

758
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Speaker 2: if they succeed in dragging these two people to the ballot,

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Speaker 2: most of us will come out to the polls and

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Speaker 2: I have to vote for one of them, or for

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Speaker 2: RFK if he's managed to get himself on there as well. Ryan,

762
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Speaker 2: And as I think New Hampshire and the Deep Deal,

763
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Primary and all that can prove you can

764
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Speaker 2: be dissatisfied with somebody, you cannot even like somebody, many

765
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Speaker 2: people will come out to vote for party loyalty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: The idea that the election that everybody wants is Dean

768
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Speaker 10: Phillips against nikkiy Haley is kind of funny. But also

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Speaker 10: I think what that is actually expressing is this kind

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Speaker 10: of aspiration that people are not as angry as they

771
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Speaker 10: are and that the world is much calmer and chiller

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Speaker 10: than it actually is because that's a world in which

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Speaker 10: you could imagine Dean Phillips versus a Nikki Haley, where

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Speaker 10: it's really hard to tell what they even necessarily disagree about.

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Speaker 3: But that's not the public that we have.

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Speaker 10: That's not the world we have, and that's not the

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Speaker 10: world that has been kind of, you know, deliberately engineered

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Speaker 10: by the people who are now frustrated that we don't

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Speaker 10: have that peace fairy true.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to drop off now and the people

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Speaker 2: who are watching this sequentially will see me in the

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Speaker 2: oscars block.

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Speaker 10: The IDF killed at least one hundred and twenty Palestinians

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Speaker 10: overnight in Gaza as attacks there continued. That's according to

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Speaker 10: the Gaza Ministry of Health now plus nine seven two

786
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Speaker 10: in Israeli Israeli news organizations reporting interestingly emily that the

787
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Speaker 10: Israeli intelligence is now using the Gaza Ministry of Health

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Speaker 10: numbers in its own assessments. Early on in the conflict,

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Speaker 10: they apparently, according to nine to seven two, surveiled the

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Speaker 10: Gaza Ministry of Health, which the BBC and others still

791
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Speaker 10: refer to us quote unquote hamas run to try to

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Speaker 10: figure out whether or not those casualty figures being produced

793
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Speaker 10: were accurate or not. They determined that they are accurate,

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Speaker 10: and so now even Israeli intelligence is now using Ministry

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Speaker 10: of Health numbers.

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Speaker 3: Now, all this is coming as there.

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Speaker 10: Has been reports of a of a two month ceasefire

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Speaker 10: offered by Israel and rejected by Hamas John Kirby was

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Speaker 10: asked about this yesterday, Let's play a little bit of

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Speaker 10: sound from that report that.

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Speaker 14: The Israelis are presented in a new ceasefire, a temporary ceasefire,

802
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Speaker 14: or a hostage deal about two month pause to release

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Speaker 14: all the hostages and the advise of.

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Speaker 8: The civilians and soldiers.

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Speaker 14: Can you confirm that as the US engaged as Bretts

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Speaker 14: in the leaguer right now, is he trying to actively

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Speaker 14: serve drum up support froms for that framework of deal.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm not able to confirm those specific reports that

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Speaker 15: you're that you're talking about in the press. Brett is

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Speaker 15: in the region. He was in Cairo today as a

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Speaker 15: matter of fact, and he'll have other stops along the way. Certainly,

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Speaker 15: one of the things he's in the region talking about

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Speaker 15: is the potential for another hostage deal, which would require

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Speaker 15: a humanitarian pause of some length to get that done,

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Speaker 15: and that's definitely on the agenda. He'll also be talking

816
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Speaker 15: about a range of other issues, including humanitarian assistance, including

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Speaker 15: getting assessment of Israeli Defense force operations and protection of

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Speaker 15: civilian life. I mean, there's a lot on his agenda,

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Speaker 15: but I can't confirm these reports that those are the

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Speaker 15: parameters of the deal that's being discussed. The last thing

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Speaker 15: I'll leave you with is that, as I've said before,

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Speaker 15: the discussions are sober and serious. Again, I don't want

823
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Speaker 15: to get ahead of where we are or give you

824
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Speaker 15: I can't give you odds on if and when we'll

825
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Speaker 15: be able to get there, but the conversations are very

826
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Speaker 15: sober and serious about trying to get another hostage deal

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Speaker 15: in place now Emily.

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Speaker 10: Israel has not publicly confirmed that they made this offer,

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Speaker 10: though the reporting as strongly suggests that they did. Hamas

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Speaker 10: has not publicly confirmed that they rejected the offer, though

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Speaker 10: the public reporting suggests that they did. What do you

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Speaker 10: make of both the offer and also then the rejection.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what the Biden administration

834
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Speaker 9: strategy is here, and I just just don't have confidence

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Speaker 9: in the Biden administration strategy at all. I was actually

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Speaker 9: curious Ryan you made of how John Kakerby handled that question,

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Speaker 9: because he when he said I can't confirm that those

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Speaker 9: are the parameters of the deal, it sounded like he

839
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Speaker 9: was saying, those are the parameters of dele What did

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Speaker 9: you think about that?

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Speaker 10: Yes, And the way that he finished it off by

842
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Speaker 10: saying that that the talks are sober and serious around

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Speaker 10: you know, upcoming hostage release negotiations does suggest that these

844
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Speaker 10: that these talks are in a pretty advanced stage. I

845
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Speaker 10: think one thing that is underlying all of these talks

846
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Speaker 10: is how poorly the war is going for Israel in particular.

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Speaker 10: And we can, you know, put up this next element here,

848
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Speaker 10: which is the biggest example that we've seen. We covered

849
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Speaker 10: this on the show yesterday. Three IDF soldiers were killed

850
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Speaker 10: in separate clashes, but twenty one IDF soldiers were killed

851
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Speaker 10: in a single incident. And I want to talk about

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Speaker 10: that incident real briefly before we get into some of

853
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Speaker 10: the other elements in this block. We now understand that

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Speaker 10: so this happened on the kind of the eastern end

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Speaker 10: of the Gaza Strip, only about six hundred meters from

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Speaker 10: a kibbutz that has been evacuated. Israeli government has said

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Speaker 10: that the reason that they were doing a controlled demolition

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Speaker 10: in this area is so that residents of the Gadzsa

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Speaker 10: envelope and particularly that nearby Kuutz could eventually return. In

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Speaker 10: other words, they're trying to destroy the civilian infrastructure to

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Speaker 10: create a buffer zone. Now, a no buffer zone has

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Speaker 10: been a line for the Biden White House. I don't

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Speaker 10: want to say redline because they don't seem to kind

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Speaker 10: of enforce any of their lines, but they have very

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Speaker 10: publicly said that there can that there can be no

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Speaker 10: Gaza Strip territory that is currently Palestinian territory that is

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Speaker 10: turned op that is lost to the Israeli government. Uh Separately,

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Speaker 10: the Geneva Conventions, and one of the elements of the

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Speaker 10: Geneva Conventions that Israel itself has ratified, says you cannot

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Speaker 10: kind of destroy civilian infrastructure in order to seize territory,

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Speaker 10: which which which this very specifically would be doing. So

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Speaker 10: this this incident, which has become a massive scandal inside Israel,

873
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Speaker 10: we now understand was being performed in furtherance of what

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Speaker 10: is objectively understood to be a war crime.

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Speaker 9: So we have also don't we have some further elements

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Speaker 9: Ryan that get to this point, just so that people

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Speaker 9: can see.

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Speaker 8: Let's talk we're talking about.

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Speaker 10: Here, sure, and let's talk about some of the other

880
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 10: kind of things that have been emerging that continue to

881
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 10: turn people against this war. This The attacks continue on Khanyunis,

882
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 10: which apparently is something like five hundred thousand plus people

883
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 10: are now huddled in Conunis, one of the second largest

884
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Speaker 10: city in Gaza, but a place that Israel told.

885
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: People to flee for safety. Let's play this clip here in.

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Speaker 16: The yard of Nasa Hospital in Khanyunis, Gazans bury their

887
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Speaker 16: dead on Monday. Is Radi warplanes drown overhead. They're unable

888
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Speaker 16: to reach the cemeteries. Is Raeli tanks storming the main

889
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 16: city in Gaza's south have reached the gate of this

890
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 16: and another hospital in the bloodiest fighting of the year

891
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 16: so far. Abdul Kharim Ahmad says he went through this

892
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 16: at the Ashiffa complex in Gaza city a few months ago,

893
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 16: where he also buried loved ones.

894
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 8: We besieged from all sides. We were living the same

895
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 8: scenario again and burying them in the.

896
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: Yard of the Nasa hospital.

897
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 8: There is no safe place.

898
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: No way out.

899
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 16: Inside the wounded, desperate and stricken, crowded the wards and corridors.

900
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Speaker 16: This is the only major medical complex accessible in car

901
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 16: Unis and the largest still functioning in Gaza. Rabit Salem's

902
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Speaker 16: injured family waited until morning for an ambulance. My mother

903
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 16: was alive and told me, don't worry, go grab the others.

904
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Speaker 16: But she's gone now, he says.

905
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 10: Another war crime allegation that has been breaking through, if

906
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Speaker 10: we just run through this as well into the Western press,

907
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Speaker 10: has been the IDF desecration of cemeteries throughout Gaza. The

908
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 10: Times of Visral here reporting IDF said heavily damage sixteen

909
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 10: Gaza cemeteries during military operation.

910
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: Has been a lot of reporting in the Israeli pressing this.

911
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 10: But CNN too witnessed this, you know, as it's the

912
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 10: only way except for that kind of one CNN reporter

913
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Speaker 10: who was able to get to a UAE run kind

914
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Speaker 10: of field hospital has has been through kind of embedding

915
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Speaker 10: with the IDF, and so you would expect that you're

916
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Speaker 10: not going to get a whole lot of reporting about

917
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 10: Israeli war crimes when you're embedding, you know, directly with

918
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Speaker 10: the IDF. However, listen to what CNN saw as they

919
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 10: were rolling through with Israeli forces.

920
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 17: CNN witnessed firsthand the results of Israel's bulldozing of graveyards

921
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Speaker 17: while embedded with Israeli forces. Last week, the armored personnel

922
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Speaker 17: carrier CNN was traveling in drove right through this cemetery

923
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Speaker 17: in Albrage on a freshly bulldozed dirt road.

924
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Speaker 10: So we have, you know, one hundred and twenty minimum

925
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Speaker 10: Palestinian civilians killed. We have the desecration of these cemeteries

926
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Speaker 10: punching through into the Western press. We have the twenty

927
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 10: one IDFs soldiers killed while trying to create a buffer zone,

928
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Speaker 10: which the United.

929
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Speaker 3: States has very explicitly said we do not approve of.

930
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Speaker 10: And my sense is that one of the reasons that

931
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Speaker 10: there were this rejection of this initial offer is that

932
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Speaker 10: Hamas must feel that the war is not going very

933
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Speaker 10: well for the IDF.

934
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: But what's your read on it?

935
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have exactly the same read on it.

936
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Speaker 9: And that's why I thought it was helpful to put

937
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 9: all of those things, or for everyone to see those things.

938
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Speaker 8: Together, because when you think about that, I have read

939
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Speaker 8: or heard that, you know, a lot.

940
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Speaker 9: Of those twenty one IDF soldiers who were killed were reservists.

941
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 8: They have the family is just an awful thing.

942
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 9: And so that question of from the perspective of Israel,

943
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 9: is everything that we are doing in this war, if

944
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 9: they're thinking about it like that, is everything that they're

945
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 9: doing making is really safer now and in the long term?

946
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 8: Is this justice? Is this making us safer?

947
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 9: And when you look at all of that, it reminds

948
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 9: me a lot of what we were talking about with

949
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 9: the Houthis last week.

950
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 8: Ryan, the Houthi's saying you, basically, we're enjoying this, you know,

951
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 8: bring it on.

952
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 9: You escalate the war for all we care. We wouldn't

953
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 9: mind if you escalated the war. It's like that's not

954
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 9: being factored factored into at least publicly. It doesn't seems

955
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 9: that that's being factored into the is really decision making

956
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 9: the strategy because it's like they're prosecuting a war where

957
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 9: they expect hamas at some point what to be the

958
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 9: word they use is annihilated.

959
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 8: Well, hamas. You can't annihilate.

960
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 9: Hamas like a traditional army and listen, like I'm armshare

961
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 9: quarterbacking this from the United States and Israel knows that,

962
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 9: but the strategy doesn't reflect it.

963
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 8: It doesn't seem to reflect it.

964
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 9: Because if your goal in all of these uh you know,

965
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 9: bulldozing of cemeteries, and you know Hamas does embed itself

966
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 9: within civilian infrastructure, but of course Gaza is tiny and

967
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 9: densely populated and all of that. But if your goal

968
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 9: is to annihilate Hamas and this keeps, these examples keep happening,

969
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 9: it's going to get a lot harder, I think, to

970
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 9: continue selling this war, not just on the international stage,

971
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 9: but even at home as their own soldiers are dying.

972
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 9: The further that it gets from October seventh than the

973
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 9: sort of sense that this was a just response that's

974
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 9: going to make us safer now and in the future,

975
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 9: I think that gets that case gets a lot lot

976
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 9: harder to make. The more you see Hamas sort of

977
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 9: responding like the Huthis have You've seen like the leader

978
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 9: of Hamas abroad say to the extent he said something

979
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 9: to the extent of like this is going great for us,

980
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 9: Like this is you know, since October seventh, we've realized

981
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 9: that we can get away with a lot. They're not

982
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 9: a traditional military, so it's it's not the same thing,

983
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 9: and I just don't understand. I guess I understand, but

984
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 9: I don't think it's going to be easy to sell

985
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 9: this in the future. Right.

986
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 10: And on the one hand, it's awfully cynical to me

987
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 10: of Hamas leadership to refuse pauses because of the extent

988
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 10: of the suffering that the civilian population is going through.

989
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 3: But at the same time.

990
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 10: Just as there seems to be no coherent strategy coming

991
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 10: from Israel at this moment, there seems region wide to

992
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 10: be no coherence strategy coming from the United States. There

993
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 10: are reports now that the US believes that there will

994
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 10: be so much pressure on shipping as a result of

995
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 10: both the Houthi attacks and the US response, that it

996
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 10: will raise shipping costs for China, and then China will

997
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 10: then exert its influence on Tehran, which will then exert

998
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 10: its influence on the Houthis and will get the Houthis

999
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 10: to stop firing missiles at ships, which is you know,

1000
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 10: most most global strategies you talked about like that, that's absurd,

1001
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 10: Like A, China can't do that. B China isn't going

1002
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 10: to do that because because China is quite fine with

1003
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 10: US creating this gigantic morass for ourselves separately, as even

1004
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 10: Voice of America, which is the kind of the US

1005
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 10: military run news outlet, reported who these have been very

1006
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 10: clear that they will allow Russian ships and Chinese ships

1007
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 10: and any other ships that are not associated with the

1008
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 10: US or military effort US or Israeli effort in Gaza.

1009
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: They're letting those pass. They're letting those pass.

1010
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 10: And so the idea that you're going to get China

1011
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 10: to jump in and bail us out of our own

1012
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 10: air strikes in Yemen, and by the way, we launched

1013
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 10: air strikes yesterday on Somalia claimed self defense. There more

1014
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 10: air strikes on Yemen. We also launched air strikes at

1015
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 10: the Iraq Seri of border, and our own bombs were

1016
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 10: falling in Gaza. So if we creeped across that border,

1017
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 10: you know, that's that's five countries that we bombed in

1018
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 10: a single day, which has got to be which has

1019
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 10: got to be approaching a record, and it's leading to

1020
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 10: actual pushback in the United States Senate yesterday there was

1021
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 10: a letter we can put up this this next element

1022
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 10: here from a bipartisan group of senators Mike Mike Lee

1023
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 10: and Todd Young Republicans and Chris Murphy and Tim Kaine,

1024
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 10: who are considered to be very serious Democrats, these are

1025
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 10: these are not This is not the peace nick wing

1026
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 10: of the Democratic Party. And they write, we believe that

1027
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 10: American participation in another war in the Middle East cannot

1028
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 10: happen in the absence of authorization by Congress unless there

1029
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 10: is a need to repel a sudden attack. The Constitution

1030
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 10: requires that the United States not engage in military action

1031
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 10: absent a favorable vote of Congress. Does your administration believe

1032
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 10: there is legal rationale for a president to unilaterally direct

1033
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 10: US military action to defend ships of foreign nations.

1034
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: So Emily uh to.

1035
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 10: Todd Young and Mike Lee, how much pull do they

1036
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 10: have in Republican quarters? Could we see kind of a

1037
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 10: genuine bipartisan coalition coming together and pushing back here.

1038
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 9: I think we'll see a genuine bipartisan coalition, But I

1039
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 9: don't think it will matter because if you look at

1040
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 9: Senate leadership, they are they have absolutely these are not

1041
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 9: people who care about these extremely serious questions about war powers.

1042
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 9: And this is the this coalition and everything that you

1043
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 9: just read that they said is absolutely accurate. It's absurd

1044
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 9: that we are so numb to how these wars are

1045
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 9: prosecuted at this point. And Mike Lee and Todd Young

1046
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 9: are heavy hitters. They actually are, you know, well respected,

1047
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 9: well liked, serious conservatives. You know, they're not McConnell Lackey's,

1048
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 9: but they're also you know, not they're not considered you know,

1049
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 9: like media celebrities or anything like that.

1050
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 8: They're not like on Fox News every day. That's all

1051
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 8: I'm trying to say.

1052
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 9: They are serious people, and uh this that's the that's.

1053
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 8: What's really sad about this.

1054
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter because as you know, Ryan, you've been

1055
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 9: covering this way longer than I have. The blahb always

1056
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 9: wins and these conversations about war powers. So I'm glad

1057
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 9: to see it bipartisan coalition, and I'm glad to see

1058
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 9: that it's not just sort of relegated to the fringes,

1059
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 9: you know, Matt Gates for example, speaking of the fringes,

1060
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 9: Like Matt Gates has actually been very good on this,

1061
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 9: even in relation to Somalia going back a long time.

1062
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 9: And so to have someone like Mike Lee and Todd

1063
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 9: Young making this case in the opera chamber is important

1064
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 9: and it's great. I am just so thoroughly cynical about

1065
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 9: this making much of a difference going forward, right, and.

1066
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 10: Speaking of some of these atrocities breaking through in the West.

1067
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 10: Whanted to close this segment with incredible reporting from I

1068
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 10: twenty four in an independent news outlet in the UK,

1069
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 10: which is kind of set up seventy years ago or

1070
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 10: so as sort of a competitor to BBC. They had

1071
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Speaker 10: an I twenty four cameraman in Gaza who carry had

1072
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 10: a bunch of interviews and let's let's let's roll this

1073
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 10: and I can I can narrate this for some of

1074
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 10: the people you know who aren't aren't.

1075
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 3: Able to watch.

1076
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 10: Oh correction, I will not be narrating this because this

1077
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 10: is this is a side. So let's roll this from

1078
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 10: I from this news clip from I twenty four.

1079
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 18: As he moved forwards towards the combat zone, he noticed

1080
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 18: this group of men doing their utmost to appear non threatening,

1081
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 18: trying to proceed with care. They wanted to reach two

1082
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 18: other family members and get them out of harm's way.

1083
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 19: And and had Joe a Juio and Halepens and as

1084
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 19: the house of as you didn't film but not a baluch.

1085
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 18: The interview complete. Our cameraman walked away, and then this happened.

1086
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Speaker 18: The interviewee had been shot and fatally wounded. You can

1087
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 18: see them place their flag on his chest, I mean,

1088
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 18: just have a hood. As he was carried away, the

1089
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 18: white flag was turning away.

1090
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 10: And so it's pretty self explanatory if you could hear

1091
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 10: the narrator. But you see a group of men who

1092
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 10: are waving a white flag trying to get from one

1093
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Speaker 10: one part of the area to another to help to

1094
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 10: escort out some of their other family members to safety.

1095
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: And then out.

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00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 10: Of nowhere, kind of shots rang out and one of

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00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 10: the men who was just being interviewed appears to almost

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00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 10: die instantly. And as they're carrying him away in this

1099
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 10: indelible image, they placed the white flag as something of

1100
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 10: a bandage on his chest, and you can see the

1101
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 10: blood soaking through the white the white flag. His wife

1102
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 10: is not far away from him, and she soon after

1103
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 10: this clip and she realizes, you know, what has what

1104
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 10: has happened to her husband, who was just trying to,

1105
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 10: you know, go go help some family members.

1106
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: Uh she uh you know, you know, uh.

1107
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 10: Collapses into unimaginable grief. And while this while that's happening.

1108
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 10: Shots continue to ring out, and you see all these

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00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 10: children around these men who are kind of looking left

1110
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 10: and right, trying to trying to find somewhere where they

1111
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 10: can go to hide. But it's not exactly clear, you know,

1112
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 10: where where they're getting shot from, uh, and where they

1113
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 10: can where they can where they can go, and all

1114
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 10: all the while they're trying to find some way that

1115
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 10: they could get this uh, this man who has just

1116
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 10: been shot help.

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00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

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00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 10: This comes, of course, just a few weeks after the

1119
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 10: IDF shot and killed three is escaped a Israeli hostages

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00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 10: who were waving a white flag, and so there doesn't

1121
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 10: seem to have been a following in that incident, any

1122
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 10: reflection whatsoever on how to respond to unarmed civilians who

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00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 10: are wearing white flags.

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00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 3: The fact that this aired.

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Speaker 10: In a western country, in the in the UK, Emily,

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00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 10: do you think that this type of incident has the

1127
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 10: potential to break through or are the camps just so

1128
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 10: dug in at this point that the defenders of Israel

1129
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 10: are going to continue to see catastrophes like this as

1130
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 10: the equivalent of victims of an earthquake or a hurricane.

1131
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: Can't really tell who's.

1132
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 8: Responsible and that was ITV and not I twenty four rate.

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00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, did I say I twenty four Sorry?

1134
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, ITV is British, right, yes, okay, so.

1135
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: ITV? Sorry, thank you.

1136
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's yes. And so again that's where I do

1137
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 9: think these these images are powerful in the Western press.

1138
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 9: And I actually think again, like I saw I was

1139
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 9: watching a podcast interview, is that the foreign leader of Hamas,

1140
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 9: who's sort of media facing. People have probably seen some

1141
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 9: of his interviews that he's done, is talking, I think,

1142
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 9: just in the last couple of days about how they've

1143
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 9: been somewhat that's the right word, surprised to see the

1144
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 9: reaction or the lack of support, the support for Palestinians

1145
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 9: in the last the lack of support for Israel in

1146
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 9: the West. And that's a good thing for Hamas, and

1147
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 9: that you can see it sort of empowers Hamas. And

1148
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 9: to that point, I'm not trying to say that that

1149
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 9: doesn't mean people should support Palestine.

1150
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 8: What I am saying is that.

1151
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 9: What he's talking about is how people are reacting I

1152
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 9: think exactly to clips like that it does. The one

1153
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 9: thing he's right about there is that does make that

1154
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 9: difficult for Israel. And listen like I don't want Hamas

1155
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 9: to be in charge of Gaza. I want to see

1156
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 9: Hamas annihilated. The idea though, that Hamas is going to

1157
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 9: be an annihilated if you just do operations like this

1158
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 9: enough where you have people with white flags, or you

1159
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 9: have where people with white flags get caught up.

1160
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 8: Or you have a civilian infrastructure.

1161
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 9: Because Hamas has some hundreds of miles now through reporting,

1162
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 9: we know hundreds of miles of tunnel.

1163
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 8: You're not going to annihilate Hamas.

1164
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 9: And then what next, say that we've talked about this

1165
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 9: right and say that is accomplished. If you annihilate Hamas,

1166
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 9: what's going to come into that vacuum that is better

1167
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 9: than Hamas?

1168
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 8: If not?

1169
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 9: You know, the United States, who's providing essential support in

1170
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 9: this war, believe in a two state solution. Yahu and

1171
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 9: the people that Yaho is answering to in his coalition

1172
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 9: do not believe in a two state solution. So actually

1173
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 9: none of this makes sense too for the future, Like

1174
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 9: the strategy, the more of these clips are played in

1175
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 9: the midst of the strategy, I think, the more difficult

1176
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 9: it does get for Israel. And that's the bottom line.

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00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 9: Like I actually think some of these soldiers are you know,

1178
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 9: I don't want to minimize the difficulty of their situation,

1179
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 9: and I don't know, but this looks horrific. I mean,

1180
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 9: it looks horrific and likely is horrific. And so I

1181
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 9: think the longer this goes on without a really clear strategy,

1182
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 9: I think it actually also will get more difficult to

1183
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 9: continue selling to the Israeli public as a whole, because

1184
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 9: even you know, far right people, and I say that,

1185
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 9: you know, they would obviously want an escalation in the war,

1186
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 9: but even some of the people on the far right

1187
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 9: and Israel aren't happy with what the end goal seems

1188
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 9: to be.

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00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: Yep, no, no doubt about that. Emily.

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00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 10: You've got some updates on the border situation in the

1191
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 10: border negotiations, right.

1192
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, so.

1193
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 9: The Supreme Court ruled temporarily, by the way, that's an

1194
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 9: important part of this. They ruled temporarily to allow the

1195
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 9: federal government to remove razor wire on the border wall

1196
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 9: that Texas, the Government of Texas put there, and the

1197
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 9: government of Texas argued that I'm sorry, the federal government

1198
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 9: argued that the wire illegally prevented them from managing the border.

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Speaker 9: And we talked last week ran about the situation with

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00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 9: migrants who had drowned, and there was a big back

1201
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 9: and forth about the razor wire. There's a big back

1202
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 9: and forth about how Texas is stepping in to what

1203
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 9: they see as a power vacuum on the border.

1204
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 8: The federal government sort.

1205
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 9: Of allowing mass asylum claims to be made, no remain

1206
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 9: in Mexico and people crossing the Rio Grande or you know,

1207
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 9: crossing in various ways, and Texas wants to sort of

1208
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 9: step into the power vacuum. But it's created, I think,

1209
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 9: really legitimate problems. I think Texas even has to concede

1210
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 9: that these are really legitimate problems.

1211
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 8: So as a five were ruling, Amy Coney.

1212
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 9: Barrett and John and Roberts are part of the five.

1213
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 8: And again this is temporary.

1214
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 9: It's well that this is still being considered in the

1215
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 9: Fifth Circuit, so there will be more decisions on this.

1216
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 9: But the Supreme Court stepped in and said temporarily the

1217
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 9: federal government can cut this razor wire. Essentially, Tucker Carlson,

1218
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 9: we have some reaction from him. This is what Tucker tweeted.

1219
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 9: He said, So it's unanimous, everyone in power, from the

1220
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 9: White House to the hedge fund managers to the Supreme

1221
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 9: Court of the United States has decided to destroy the

1222
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 9: country by allowing it to be invaded. That leaves the

1223
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 9: population to defend itself. Where are the men of Texas.

1224
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 9: Why aren't they protecting their state and the nation? Chip

1225
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 9: Roy obviously a big Freedom Caucus guy, He called on

1226
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 9: Texas officials to just completely ignore the ruling. He said,

1227
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 9: quote they have a duty in the under the Constitution

1228
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 9: and every other normal leadership of any sovereign state to

1229
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 9: protect your citizens, period, full stop.

1230
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 8: There is no exception to that.

1231
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 9: And if the Supreme Court wants to ignore that truth,

1232
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 9: which a slim majority to Texas still had the duty,

1233
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 9: Texas leaders still have the duty do defend their people. Now,

1234
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 9: let's put this Politico headline up on the screen. This

1235
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 9: comes as a bipartisan border deal is being considered, and

1236
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 9: Chris Murphy signaled to Politico that the talks were quote

1237
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 9: largely done. What we know from that is you have

1238
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 9: Chris Murphy, Lankford, Cinema, some of these very leadership, the

1239
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 9: center right, center left people in the Senate coming together

1240
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 9: and trying to get a border package done. And what

1241
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 9: we know is that they've talked about capping daily entries.

1242
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 8: They've talked about.

1243
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 9: Restricting asylum, and they've also talked about restricting parole, which

1244
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 9: according to Politico, is one of the hot items is

1245
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 9: like what are the presidential parole authorities?

1246
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 8: That's being debated.

1247
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 9: Chris Murphy says they've kind of come together on that question,

1248
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 9: but we have absolutely no idea. What this reminds me

1249
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 9: of what we talked about with Samkadaltek last week, Ryan.

1250
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 8: The lobbying we had it. We did a segment about

1251
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 8: how the.

1252
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 9: Wealthiest caucuses and yeah, the wealthiest districts.

1253
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 8: Are the ones that are part of the you know,

1254
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 8: like bipartisan caucuses and the people.

1255
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 9: Who you know, stress cooperation and all of that and

1256
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 9: get wonderful media treatment. We actually have no idea what

1257
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 9: these centrists Chris and Cinema Langford, Chris Murphy, we have

1258
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 9: no idea what they're doing. So all of this could

1259
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 9: mean so many different things. And if it's just spending

1260
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 9: more to have more fun little drones on the border,

1261
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 9: that's not going to do a lot. If there are

1262
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 9: serious changes to asylum policy, maybe that would do more.

1263
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 8: We have no idea at.

1264
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 9: This point, and I don't think I have any trust

1265
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 9: in them that they're going to do something significant, because

1266
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 9: neither side wants.

1267
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 8: To do something significant, and what's going to happen, and

1268
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 8: it has been happening, right.

1269
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 9: I'll just recall this really brief story because of how

1270
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 9: byzantine this.

1271
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 8: Bureaucracy at the border is.

1272
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 9: Human laves are getting caught up in it, and the

1273
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 9: way that this is kicked to the courts because Congress

1274
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 9: is too afraid to act because the President has taken

1275
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 9: authorities that I think are questionable. Not talking about the

1276
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 9: cutting the razor wire. I think actually there's a legitimate

1277
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 9: dispute of constitutional powers there, and I understand what trip

1278
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 9: Roy is saying because Texas' citizens actually are really in

1279
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 9: the crosshairs of this, so it makes sense. At the

1280
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 9: same time, Texas has a federal border, so there's there's

1281
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 9: a very substantive and interesting kind of constitutional conversation happening

1282
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 9: on that level. But this is just briefly. I've told

1283
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 9: you about this rain when Title forty two was being

1284
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 9: kicked back and forth in the courts, it was such

1285
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 9: a sad and awful situation, and I actually made a

1286
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 9: border trip when that was happening. You could talked to

1287
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 9: people who were caught up in Then I talked to

1288
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 9: a kid whose name was Osnil.

1289
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 8: He's from Cuba.

1290
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 9: He had come up through Venezuela or up through Panama.

1291
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 8: Darien Gap done the whole thing.

1292
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 9: Paid some stupid amount of money for someone from Cuba,

1293
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 9: like eleven dollars. He crossed because he thought Cubans were

1294
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 9: still being let in because where Title forty two was

1295
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 9: in the courts. He got sent back because it was

1296
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 9: the day that that had changed. And then he tried

1297
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 9: to cross again because Title forty two was changing at

1298
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 9: this point in time day to day, got sent back again.

1299
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 9: There's so much confusion, and cartels are praying on the confusion,

1300
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 9: and that's I think the real sad thing about what's

1301
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 9: happening in the court system right now. Ryan, I've just

1302
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 9: talked way too long. What did you make of this

1303
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 9: decision from Monday?

1304
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 10: I don't so the Supreme Court is saying that Texas

1305
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 10: is overstepping it's authority here, but it's kind of not

1306
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 10: weighing in all the way. Congress hasn't touched this for decades.

1307
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 10: At this point. I'm curious how serious you think these

1308
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 10: negotiations are, because while the White House seems to have

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Speaker 10: a significant amount of incentive to kind of go against

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Speaker 10: its base and go against what it has said its

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Speaker 10: values are on immigration for a very long time and

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Speaker 10: cut a deal for political reasons in the in the

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Speaker 10: midst of.

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Speaker 3: A presidential campaign.

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Speaker 10: On the flip side, it feels like Republicans don't have

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Speaker 10: any incentive at all politically at least to reach a deal,

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Speaker 10: and so maybe maybe some senators you know, can come

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Speaker 10: together with some Democratic senators. But over on the House

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Speaker 10: side and from Trump himself, it feels like letting Biden

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Speaker 10: have a win on the border is something that they

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Speaker 10: don't have any intention of doing. You're hearing a lot

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Speaker 10: of rhetoric from House Republicans saying unless it's our full

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Speaker 10: one hundred percent of our bill HR two, we're not

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Speaker 10: doing anything, and we're gonna wait until we're in power,

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Speaker 10: which reminds me of how Democrats have always said that

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Speaker 10: they're going to do all of these things one day

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Speaker 10: when they're in power.

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Speaker 3: They're going to they're going to codify Roe V.

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Speaker 10: Way, they're gonna they're gonna, you know, you know, all

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Speaker 10: of these promises that they've made for decades. Eventually they're

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Speaker 10: going to do it, So just support republic Support Democrats now,

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Speaker 10: and then don't don't fight us on these issues, and

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Speaker 10: then eventually, when we get enough power, then we will

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Speaker 10: do the things we're promising.

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Speaker 3: What's your sense of how serious.

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Speaker 10: We should take House Republicans when it comes to the

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Speaker 10: ability to reach a deal with Biden on the border.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you're exactly right. And it actually reminds me a

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Speaker 8: lot of repeal and replace.

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Speaker 3: Right there you go. Yes, we will notice it, and

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Speaker 3: then we'll do it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, do it fifty times when they have no power,

1343
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 10: but zero times and they can actually do it.

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Speaker 9: And again, like actually, from a political perspective, I completely

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Speaker 9: understand the Freedom Caucus block, and not just the anti

1346
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 9: McCarthy block, but like the entire Freedom Caucus holding fast.

1347
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Speaker 8: To HR two because HR two is a bill.

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Speaker 9: That ten years ago I think would have been non

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Speaker 9: controversial because given the level of problems that there is

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Speaker 9: that exists. And the New York Times and an interesting

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Speaker 9: story just this week actually about how what's the real

1352
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 9: shift in immigration has been on the Democratic side. Looking

1353
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 9: at polling data, Democrats have gotten much much more favorable

1354
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 9: to lenient immigration policies than Republicans have basically stayed the same,

1355
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Speaker 9: and that's where I think I understand holding fast to

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Speaker 9: HR two. It's not realistic. Democrats are not coming back

1357
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Speaker 9: to the table on HR two. But I do think

1358
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 9: there's an unreasonableness. I don't think. I don't believe that

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Speaker 9: there's going to be a policy put forward. And I

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Speaker 9: could be wrong, because we are told, according to Politico,

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Speaker 9: that asylum is on the table, So I could be wrong,

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Speaker 9: and they could have some really substantive changes to a

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Speaker 9: silent policy there. But that's what I just haven't seen

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Speaker 9: a will to do.

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Speaker 8: And that's to me.

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Speaker 9: It's not even a partisan thing. To me, it's just

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01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 9: our assigned policies are so inhumane because they give so

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Speaker 9: many people false hope. They're really good for the cartels

1369
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 9: and like they just whether you think they should be

1370
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 9: way more liberal or more restrictive, what they really need

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Speaker 9: to be is clear, and I don't think either side

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Speaker 9: has the ability to come to a consensus on clarity

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Speaker 9: about asylum. And unless we have clarity about asylum, we

1374
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 9: can have all the razor Texas can put all the

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Speaker 9: razor wire that it wants up, more people are still

1376
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Speaker 9: going to be hurt, more people are going to cross

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Speaker 9: The only interesting thing I'll add is Todd Bensman, who's been.

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Speaker 8: On the show before.

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Speaker 9: We're reported at the New York Post that's he had

1380
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Speaker 9: a source who shared numbers with him showing that crossings

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Speaker 9: have dipped significantly in the last couple of weeks. And

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Speaker 9: the theory is that Biden has struck a deal with

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Speaker 9: AMLO and with Mexico. According to Todd's sources, there's been

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Speaker 9: a lot more enforcement within Mexico.

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Speaker 8: They've really bulbed up their enforcement.

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Speaker 9: And the idea is that that's a Biden your sort

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Speaker 9: of deal for election purposes.

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Speaker 8: If that's true, and if Mexico is.

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Speaker 9: Enforcing their own policies and is being more careful about,

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Speaker 9: for an example, the train that has basically been very

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Speaker 9: loosely uh police, the trains that come up perry migrants,

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 9: that's that's good because people need to stop taking these

1393
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 9: awful trips to the Darien gaps where they're dying, where

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Speaker 9: people are being raped in masks horrific. I don't I

1395
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 9: don't know, Ryan, I don't know the I think.

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Speaker 8: What we need is clarity, and I don't think we're

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Speaker 8: going to get any clarity. So I'm pretty cynical in that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cynicism on this issue.

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Speaker 10: Sounds about right at this at this point, definitely from

1400
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 10: a political perspective, before we bring sagerback for a very

1401
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 10: exciting debate over Barbie and the OSCARS clarification slash possible correction,

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01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 10: we'll see. So earlier in the show, I had said

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01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 10: that we that we would know by tonight or tomorrow.

1404
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 10: You know a lot of who these remaining write in

1405
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 10: votes are for. Janke Yuger told Crystal apparently that he's

1406
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 10: now being told that they're not going.

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Speaker 3: To release these numbers.

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Speaker 10: There was pressure, you know, from Democratic Majority for Israel

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01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 10: super Pack on the secret New Hampshire Secretary of State

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 10: not to release the number of people who voted who

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01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 10: wrote in ceasefire. The word from the New Hampshire Secretary

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01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 10: of State, however, earlier this week, was that they would

1413
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 10: be releasing this. Figures the organizers behind that campaign believe

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01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 10: that the law requires them to release this, but it

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01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 10: feels like it is at this point an open question.

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01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 10: Good reason to stick around and check the show out

1417
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 10: tomorrow morning, but without any further ado, we've got to

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 10: get to Sager's thoughts on Barbie stick around for that.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, the actual election analysis that everybody

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01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 2: has been waiting for the OSCARS election. We got the

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01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: official nominations yesterday and there is absolute outrage that Barbie

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01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: the major I get Blockbuster, you know, Event of the

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01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: last year, one of the biggest movies in a long

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01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 2: time with original script. Although we'll get to that in

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01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 2: terms of discussion around IP and more. While it did

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01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,799
Speaker 2: get a lot of Academy Award nominations, Greta Gerwig, the director,

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01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 2: and Margot Robbie, who was both producer and really kind

1429
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: of like the person who got the movie off the

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01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 2: ground as well as the lead actress, did not receive nomination,

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: but they did get a lot of others. Let's put

1432
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: that up there on the screen. Thanks to our graphics

1433
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: team for putting this together. OSCAR nominations. So Barbie has

1434
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 2: been nominated for Best Picture, Best Supporting Actress. I want

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01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: to return to that one for America Ferrara, Best Supporting Actor,

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01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling, Best Adapted Screenplay, Original Song. Are two original

1437
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: songs actually? Costume design and production design. Okay, this, like

1438
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: I said, has caused absolute outrage from a lot of

1439
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: people online, including to one of the stars of the movie,

1440
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling, who is very upset that he was nominated

1441
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 2: for and Best Supporting Actor. But then Margot Robbie and

1442
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: Greta Gerwig were spurred. Let's go put this his statement,

1443
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: this is what he has to stay up here, says,

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01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: I am extremely honored to be nominated by my colleagues

1445
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: along such remark artists, et cetera, et cetera.

1446
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 3: But there is no Ken without Barbie.

1447
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: There is no Barbie movie without Greta Gerwig or Margot Robbie,

1448
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 2: the two people most responsible for this history making globally

1449
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: celebrated film. No recognition would be possible for anyone on

1450
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: the film without their talent, their grit, and their genius.

1451
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 2: To say that I am disappointed that they are not

1452
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,879
Speaker 2: nominated in their respective categories would be an understatement against

1453
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 2: all the odds. With nothing but a couple of soulless,

1454
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 2: scantily clad and thoughtfully thankfully crossless dolls, they made us laugh,

1455
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: they broke our hearts, they pushed the culture, and they

1456
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: made history. Their work should be recognized along with the

1457
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 2: other very deserving nominees. Man It's almost like he's talking

1458
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: about their freaking Nobel Prize or something, not the Oscars. Emily,

1459
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: I definitely wanted to talk about this with you. This

1460
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: is being described as a feminist snub. It's a major

1461
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: snub of Greta Gerwig and they're like, oh my gosh,

1462
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 2: what if a man is the only person to actually win,

1463
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: the only person actually win an oscar out of the

1464
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: Barbie movie. Some people have said that would be objectively hilarious,

1465
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: but I want to I'm curious for your take, and

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01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 2: then right and I will give ours.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you for letting the ladies go first. This

1468
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 8: very gentleman lead. Are your chivalry not dead?

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01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 9: But so there's a lot to make of this, and

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01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 9: I'm glad that we're talking about it, because, as you know,

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01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 9: one of the I think Saguron I probably on the

1472
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 9: same page about all of the virtues of the lack

1473
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 9: of virtues of contemporary feminism. And even so, I actually

1474
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 9: really enjoyed the Barbie movie.

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01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 8: I wrote a piece about it for the Federalists saying

1476
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 8: that it was it was in.

1477
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Speaker 9: A way reminiscent, and I don't think intentionally, I think

1478
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 9: this was probably its biggest flaw. It was reminiscent of

1479
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 9: the sort of Camille Polya take on sex and gender,

1480
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 9: this sort of biological essensualism. Men and women are different,

1481
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 9: and that's what most of the jokes in Barbie.

1482
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 8: Are going for. Now, that said, that's a really low bar.

1483
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 9: For good culture is recognizing the differences between men and

1484
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 9: women and making jokes about it. So I think the

1485
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 9: script was a little incoherent, but I thought Greta Gerwig

1486
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 9: did a good job. I think she did a best

1487
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 9: director level job. And I thought Margot Robbie was fantastic.

1488
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 9: So I don't want to steal your point, but we

1489
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 9: very much agree. It's not so much no woman was

1490
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 9: nominated because America Ferrera got the supporting nod. It really

1491
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 9: should have been Margot Robbie, and I think Greta Gerwig

1492
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 9: deserved to be up there. They had her for costume

1493
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 9: that well, they have Barbie for costume production and Best Picture,

1494
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 9: so there's a lot of Greta Gerwig.

1495
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 8: Obviously that goes into all of those things. In a way.

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01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 9: She's very much nominated, just not in the director category.

1497
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 9: And I actually think that's what Barbie was great at.

1498
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 8: I thought the.

1499
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 9: Design aesthetically, it actually was really innovative and interesting, even

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01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 9: if the script didn't match that level of quality. And

1501
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 9: even if, and this is a good way to toss

1502
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 9: it back to you, Sager, some of the acting and

1503
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 9: some of the writing, and I'm specifically talking about the

1504
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 9: part written for America Ferrera is absolutely insufferable in Barbie right.

1505
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 2: And that is where I'm getting really annoyed here, because

1506
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, it's snub you know, all the

1507
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 2: women or getting my guys, America Ferrah got nominated. The

1508
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 2: scandal is that America Ferrera is the worst part of

1509
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 2: the movie. Ryan, you and I were talking about this.

1510
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 2: She's the one who gives the annoying speech about how

1511
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: difficult it is to be a mom or whatever, and

1512
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: everyone it's just like the most eye rolling part. I

1513
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 2: was in the most liberal of all theaters, and even

1514
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 2: there people were like, come on, man, like.

1515
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 10: We there were some really funny points in that speech,

1516
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 10: but it was a little bit.

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01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 3: I had a good time.

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the movie, and I think largely it was

1519
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: because it was a social experience and I was around

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01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: a lot of other people who were having it. You know,

1521
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: people were dressed up and we were laughing. It's kind

1522
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 2: of like going to the Taylor Swift movie. Is it

1523
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: a good movie? Obviously no, But you know when you

1524
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 2: see like nine year olds like having the time of

1525
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 2: their lives, you cannot help but imbibe like some of

1526
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 2: the some of that joy right on yourself. So I

1527
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 2: think that was part of my experience as a movie.

1528
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 8: Like, let you like the movie because it was about.

1529
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: Ken, Yeah, that's right exactly.

1530
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: I liked it because it was about using TRT in

1531
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,919
Speaker 2: order to get the best physique possible.

1532
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 8: But my point was just right into the sun every morning.

1533
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1534
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 2: Actually, Ken is living the health lifestyle that I want

1535
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: to live. But let's fly all that and let's just

1536
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: actually think about this. First of all, what people many

1537
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: misunderstand about the categories is that for Best Picture, all

1538
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 2: members of the Academy get to vote on Best Picture.

1539
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: For the director category, it's all the directors who are

1540
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 2: in the Academy, it's not everybody else. So it's not

1541
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 2: a surprise then that they elevate like you know, like

1542
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 2: a tour movies like genuine cinema and if we're going

1543
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 2: to put it on that category. And this is the

1544
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 2: other thing Barbie made one point four billion dollars. It's

1545
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: not like you don't need the best director Stamp, Greta Gerwig,

1546
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: You're fine. But let's also look at some of her

1547
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 2: past movies. Ladybird is a way better movie. It's actually

1548
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 2: a very good movie. Little Women even actually a sleeper.

1549
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 2: I actually that was a good movie once again. And

1550
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 2: it's one of those where people don't pay attention to

1551
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: the fact that the Academy is not meant to just

1552
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 2: you know, rubber stamp blockbusters people. You know, first of all,

1553
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 2: the oscars don't even matter, so like, to a certain point,

1554
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: this is all irrelevant. But in terms of this trying

1555
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: to be a cultural touchstone and all that, we do

1556
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 2: not look at Iron Man and be like, wham, this

1557
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 2: is the best film ever made. We're like, yeah, that

1558
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 2: movie made a ton of money. Yeah it was good,

1559
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: it was fun. And then we all just move on

1560
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: with our lives and we're not like, oh my god,

1561
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: what a scandle. You know that it wasn't denominated or whatever.

1562
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: And then if we're gonna think in the best Director category,

1563
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 2: and Ryan, this is where I'm curious for what you

1564
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 2: think to me. If we're gonna look at you know

1565
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 2: achievement and all that. What is more impressive. You're gonna

1566
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 2: get the most one of the most internationally recognized ips.

1567
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 2: Turn it into a good script definitely difficult, or you

1568
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 2: were going to adapt, frankly, not a very good book,

1569
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: which is American Prometheus, the actual biography of Jay Robert Oppenheimer.

1570
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 3: Turn it into a three.

1571
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: Hour bio pick and let's be honest where it drags

1572
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 2: a lot in the middle, and turn it into a

1573
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 2: nearly billion dollar blockbuster that people dressed up for. And

1574
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 2: turn into an event movie that's also historically important. That

1575
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 2: is a ten times more impressive achievement achievement. To me,

1576
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 2: Barbie would have been a hit even if it was bad.

1577
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: It just happened to be good. Oppenheimer, I mean, I

1578
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: think only Nolan could have done something like that.

1579
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 3: Ryan, what do you think to me?

1580
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 10: The oscars ought to take into con sideration how difficult

1581
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 10: it is to move from your concept to like a

1582
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 10: great film like Dustin Hoffman, like getting an Oscar for

1583
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 10: rain Man, like not that impressive, like that he's just

1584
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 10: like it's a great performance, but it was also like

1585
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 10: sign steal and delivered for an Oscar, Like he's just

1586
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 10: he's just going for it, whereas they took a ridiculous

1587
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 10: premise like we're going to like just take a commercial

1588
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 10: about like kids toys, right and turn it into a

1589
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 10: film and try to make a whole bunch of money

1590
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 10: on it, and then she somehow managed to make an

1591
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 10: actually tremendous film. Now, so I think that she got

1592
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 10: snubbed because of the giant gap between those two things.

1593
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: Well, when if she gets Best Picture, best picture is

1594
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 2: still in getting the guys for Margart. Robbie is a

1595
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 2: freaking producer on the movie, so is Greta Gerwig. By

1596
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 2: the way, the movie made one point four billion dollars.

1597
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: People are going to be just fine.

1598
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 10: But one reason okay with her getting snubbed though, is

1599
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 10: because she really flopped the landing with this like rareification

1600
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 10: of neoliberalism. But the very end with this you are

1601
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 10: you are kanough like nobody's kanough. You need you need community,

1602
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 10: you need socialization, you need friends, you need family like

1603
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 10: you need loved ones around you.

1604
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 3: Nobody is enough.

1605
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 10: And the idea that you would try to tell a

1606
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 10: whole bunch of kids that they don't need anything other

1607
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 10: than themselves, I thought was just a like horrific message

1608
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 10: at the end. Soh my politics say, you know what,

1609
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 10: she can go ahead and suffer and not.

1610
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 2: Get the okay, and then okay, let me put let's

1611
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: push the red button. Ken is Ryan Gosling does deliver

1612
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: the most range of acting in the movie. I mean, yeah,

1613
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: he is the best supporting character, but he's the one

1614
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 2: who's like events are happening to him, and then he

1615
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 2: has he is the one most profoundly changed by his

1616
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: interaction with the real world coming back and then him

1617
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: you know, versus Barbie the Barbie's fight back, by the way,

1618
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 2: spoiler alert for all of this for everybody who is

1619
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: not yet seen. But it's been several months, so I

1620
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 2: don't feel bad about it. And then you know, you know,

1621
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 2: they reached the equilibrium or whatever. Marcot Robbie is like

1622
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: the vehicle through which Ken has this like deeply emotional

1623
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: journey and all the other Kens within it. Sure, you know,

1624
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: she definitely delivers a great performance and it's fun. Like,

1625
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but that's why if you were

1626
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 2: to think just purely in terms of acting chops, not

1627
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: in terms of culture and all that, I think Gosling

1628
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 2: definitely did do a better job as an actor, or

1629
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: at least brought more to the role. That doesn't belie

1630
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: the production. The fact that Margot Robbie is I think

1631
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: she called Gretager away. She's the one who got this

1632
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: script great, you know, script greenlit. She you know, helped

1633
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: with all that, and that's why she will share, you know,

1634
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: in that Oscar for the Best Picture and all that.

1635
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 3: So anyway, what do you think, Emily, Yeah, no.

1636
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 9: I agree, I would I would add to that. It's

1637
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 9: not just that Ryan Gosling. It's that the role that's

1638
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 9: is to the point Wheryan was making about Rainman, the

1639
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 9: role for Ryan Gosling was always going to be harder

1640
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 9: for him, Like it was just the way the script

1641
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 9: was written, the way that it turned out. It's just

1642
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 9: that was a harder role to play, and he did

1643
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 9: a great job. So I think Margot Robbie did a

1644
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 9: great job. I just think Goslin did a great job

1645
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 9: in a harder role. And on top of that, I

1646
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 9: was thinking, as we were talking, how funny it must

1647
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 9: have been when the Academy got the nominations back and

1648
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 9: looked at this and was like, holy right, they are

1649
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 9: like oh no, like again, like this stuff is engineered

1650
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 9: until point, but it's still voted on. And just imagine

1651
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 9: them getting this back and looking at the bar prenominations

1652
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 9: and realizing it was just gostling for uh, I mean

1653
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 9: that's actually and Growing got slip.

1654
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: Snopped, Maestro got nominated for Best Picture. What the hell

1655
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 3: are we doing here?

1656
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 11: All right?

1657
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 3: We like that is that movie is a travesty.

1658
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: It's what happens when somebody gets way too famous, Bradley Cooper,

1659
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 2: and then people start writing way too big checks and

1660
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: we're all just go be like, oh my gosh, what

1661
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 2: a not tour film.

1662
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 10: That's carbage A good example of a kind of movie

1663
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 10: that's just made for Oscars.

1664
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: No literally, yeah, I mean I think it was made

1665
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 2: for that and also for Bradley coop ego And we're like,

1666
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 2: hey man, can you do like Silver Linings play Book again?

1667
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 2: Just like something that was actually good and it hasn't

1668
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 2: been for a long time.

1669
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 8: All right?

1670
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: So I think this brings our discussion on the whole

1671
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 2: Oscars you know what brew haha, to a close.

1672
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 3: It will not stop, you know.

1673
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 2: Can we imagine, like the acceptance speeches are going to

1674
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 2: be so insufferable if if Ryan Gosling changing the amount

1675
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 2: of like Greta, this run is really yours or some

1676
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 2: grand standing and all that. If this is what happens before,

1677
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: just imagine a night of you don't.

1678
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 3: Think he's gonna win.

1679
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 8: I don't think he'll win.

1680
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: Who else is nominated, so we've got it? Yeah, go ahead.

1681
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 9: Well, the Girlwigsund is interesting in the extent that the

1682
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 9: Academy has also been trying to bring those like quality

1683
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 9: blockbusters back in so like maybe not nominating like the

1684
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 9: dumbest Marvel movie or whatever, but also, I mean there

1685
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 9: are some good Marvel movies. Obviously Black Panther was competitive

1686
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 9: at the Oscars, but they're saying we were swinging way too.

1687
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 8: Far in the direction like remember when they gave.

1688
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 9: The Artist Best Picture, or when someone reminded me of

1689
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 9: today women Trump went berserk because Parasite won.

1690
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 8: You just had that hilarious.

1691
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 9: So they've been trying to actually reward movies that people

1692
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 9: are watching and enjoying, and so that's part of what's

1693
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 9: interesting about this too.

1694
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 8: At the same time, there Gozzling's up against.

1695
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 9: A lot of good performances this year, and I don't

1696
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 9: think he's quite going to cut it I could be wrong.

1697
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 2: Us what I got in front of me Sterley Kate

1698
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: Brown for American Fiction. I haven't seen American fiction. Robert

1699
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 2: de Niro for Killers of the Flower Moon. He was

1700
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: incredible and Killers of the Flower Moon. Downey Junior for Oppenheimer,

1701
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 2: that's tough. I thought I didn't give a good performance,

1702
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: but honestly, I thought his entire arc of the film

1703
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 2: is bad. So it's like, yeah, but that part of

1704
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,440
Speaker 2: the script for me drags tremendously.

1705
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 3: We've got Oppenheimer this year.

1706
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 8: This Academy is going to love up. The Academy is

1707
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 8: going to love Oppenheimer.

1708
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling for Barbie, and then Mark Ruffalo for Poor Things.

1709
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: Haven't seen Poor Things? Our producer Griffin says, it's an incredible,

1710
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 2: incredible movie.

1711
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: It's on my list.

1712
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna go and watch it before the Oscar season. Anyway,

1713
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 2: I think that brings us to a close. Guys, thank

1714
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 2: you for letting me hang out and crash.

1715
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 3: Your show always was. I hope everybody enjoyed it.

1716
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 2: We've got the discount going on if you can help

1717
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 2: support all of us, and I look forward to doing

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Speaker 2: this again soon.