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Speaker 3: We'll welcome into another episode. I'm Stupoty Keep it all

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Speaker 3: in Well. Welcome in to another episode of Stupotty, the

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Speaker 3: We have Tom Allen coming on. I thought it was

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Speaker 3: the British comedian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: This absolutely cannot be glossed over.

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Speaker 7: Okay, because Tom Allen appeared on our calendar and I

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Speaker 7: had nothing to do with booking it, and all of

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Speaker 7: a sudden, I'm like, hey, we have the Indiana coach.

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Speaker 7: And you're like, who, I said, Tom Allen? You said,

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Speaker 7: isn't he a British comedian? And I said, I'm pretty

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Speaker 7: sure we have the Indiana football coach. And you go,

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Speaker 7: I am gonna make fun of you so hard when

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Speaker 7: it's not when it's the British comedian. And it turns

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Speaker 7: out we got the Indiana head coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it also turns out I know nothing and

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Speaker 3: he's the big ten coach of the year, by the way,

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Speaker 3: the raining they ten coach of the Year. But here's

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Speaker 3: the problem. I know nothing about Indiana football. So I

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Speaker 3: prepared an interview for a comedian.

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Speaker 6: Should we ask him to do jokes.

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Speaker 4: In an accent?

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Speaker 3: Wait, Mike, have you seen Tom Allen? I don't know Tom.

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Speaker 3: I've never spoken to him. Have you seen him?

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Speaker 6: We're talking about the coach and not the comedian. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I've seen. I watched. I watched a few Indiana games

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Speaker 6: last year when they were good.

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Speaker 3: All right, does anything about him?

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Speaker 2: Say?

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Speaker 3: Stand up?

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Speaker 2: No? No?

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Speaker 3: So what are we gonna do? Because I have questions

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Speaker 3: prepared for a comedian. He's not coming on. I know

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Speaker 3: nothing about Indiana football, and the coach could have joined us,

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Speaker 3: so like in a minute, So what do we do here?

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Speaker 3: This is what we usually had Gojo around for.

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Speaker 6: I mean, hold on, hold on, What if I got

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Speaker 6: his father? What if I got Golic Senior? Go so go?

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Speaker 6: So what if I get go So?

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Speaker 7: I bet you, I'll bet you he wouldn't confuse him

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Speaker 6: He would have questions.

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Speaker 3: All right, but you're acting. Listen, you're acting. It's a

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Speaker 3: great idea bout you. But you're acting like Mike Golic

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Speaker 6: I'm texting it. Hold on, all right, hold on, let

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Speaker 6: me text him. He's in.

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Speaker 3: Send me the lame work, no work for me, no

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Speaker 3: comedian for you, stepot me. I what's up, Mike? I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is the dream come true. It's like you have

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Speaker 3: someone else do, someone who's more credible, by the way,

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Speaker 3: doing your work for you. You don't get paid.

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Speaker 3: And then and my name is on the entire vehicle.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is my dream. You Yeah, great for you, coach,

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Speaker 3: that's a dream, right, have other people do your work

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Speaker 4: You go?

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Speaker 2: So so because I'm doing the work. I'm starting this

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Speaker 2: because I've known this about you, and you know, we

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Speaker 2: a high school and college wrestler, and so were you.

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Speaker 2: So let's start there. You know about your wrestling career

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 4: It's huge.

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Speaker 5: You know, I love recruiting high school wrestlers, and this

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Speaker 5: his stock immediately goes up in my mind.

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Speaker 4: Because of toughness and mindset.

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Speaker 4: I just know to wrestle in high school and college

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Speaker 5: A mental toughness, there's a physical toughness that it takes

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Speaker 5: really understand that. I was blessed to wrestle for Ben

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Speaker 5: ethic and just the tenacity, the grit to fight.

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Speaker 4: It's just different. And it's the sport demands it and

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Speaker 4: it's one on one.

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Speaker 2: And there's no place to run, no place to hide

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Speaker 2: where what what weight did you wrestle?

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Speaker 5: Wrestled one ninety in college and I played football two fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Had to cut twenty five pounds every year and that

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Speaker 2: That I always had the best of both worlds because

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Speaker 2: I loved wrestling as much as football easily. And in

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Speaker 2: high school I was a heavyweight and Notre Dame. I

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Speaker 2: was a heavyweight, so I always knew you guys cutting

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Speaker 2: food in every way, and I would just eat all

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Speaker 2: no doubt, I always had so much respect for you

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Speaker 2: guys that have to cut the way you do. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you if you've been watching the

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Speaker 2: a lot guys are starting to wrestle up now because

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Speaker 2: they're finding out it's better and healthier for their bodies.

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Speaker 2: Instead of cutting weight that could be so detrimental, They're

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Speaker 5: There's no doubt, and it makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 5: and being around the sport. I was actually a high

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Speaker 5: I was coaching, and so yeah, I get that part,

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Speaker 4: For me though, they didn't have two fifteen bag din

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Speaker 3: So I says to go, that's a good mikey, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Mike yeah. Looking at it's a couple of wrestlers cutting

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Speaker 3: it out at the over of that. Wait cold, someone

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Speaker 3: explain to me was it Gabby Stevenson? Who was it?

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Speaker 3: Can someone explain to me how that wrestler won the gold?

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Speaker 2: At first, it's not Gabby. Second it's not Steve. It's Gable,

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Speaker 2: who is named after Dan Gable Steveson. And he basically

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Speaker 2: was down. He was down three with seventeen seconds ago,

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Speaker 2: and he got a takedown. Let the guy have got

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Speaker 2: another takedown as time ran out and won by a point.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, coach, if you saw any of the

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Speaker 2: Olympic wrestler I'm sure you've been pretty busy, but boy,

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Speaker 2: he had a match. Taylor, who was a couple of

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Speaker 2: ago to win the gold. I mean, man, I know

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Speaker 2: where we wrestled coach you and I, but imagine doing

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 5: Matter fact, Coach Pitterson, my college coach, he texted me

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Speaker 5: about that very match. I haven't seen it yet because

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Speaker 5: of being in fall camp, but he was so excited

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Speaker 5: about the way that finished, and obviously he falls a

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Speaker 5: bank closely, So yeah, pretty pretty awesome.

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Speaker 3: Mike Owen, this is the coach's voice in August. Can

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Speaker 3: you imagine what it's going to sound like in October?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, it's already shot.

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Speaker 2: Well, since all the players can get nil deals, you

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Speaker 2: should be getting a throat laws and.

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Speaker 3: No doubt, Mike, Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 7: I just want you guys to know that he's texting

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Speaker 7: me what did Gabby Stevenson do to win? And here

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Speaker 7: I am trying to google what Gabby steel?

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 7: And I'm trying to figure it out so I could

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Speaker 7: give him, so I could produce him. I don't even

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Speaker 2: That's all right, he doesn't know what he was talking about,

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Speaker 2: so we're okay.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know whoever it was, how they want

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Speaker 3: to go metal, Mike. I needed someone to explain it

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Speaker 3: to me because it was exciting, but I have no

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Speaker 2: And then and then how about a two hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty pounds doing a cartwheel to a backflip? I mean,

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Speaker 2: for your celebration. Absolutely incredible. I don't know, coach of

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Speaker 2: anybody on it, maybe a wide receiver after a touchdown

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Speaker 2: trying to backflip belt. I think at college you just

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Speaker 2: still get a flag for that, don't you.

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Speaker 4: You do And there's not any lineman doing it, that's

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Speaker 3: So I brought up the uh, you know, the ability

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Speaker 3: for kids to earn money now off their name and likeness.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about that when that came down?

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Speaker 3: How'd you feel about that?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, obviously it created a lot of question marks.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm all for our guys being able to

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Speaker 5: maximize that opportunity.

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Speaker 4: I just think we as coaches just like, hey, where's

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Speaker 4: where's the parameters? Where does it start, where does it stop? Where,

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Speaker 4: how does it go? And And that's always a big question.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, we're kind of

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Speaker 4: all working our.

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Speaker 5: Way through it, and I'm just all about the guys

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Speaker 5: being able.

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Speaker 4: To still make it about the team.

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Speaker 6: That to me is the key, and.

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Speaker 5: That's what we're never going to get away from. I

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Speaker 5: just want to make sure our guys understand that, and

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Speaker 5: that's the culture we build here. That's what Elio is

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Speaker 5: all about, is making them all about we the knee

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Speaker 5: and and that won't change with N I L. And

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Speaker 5: we've address that with our team, and as the team

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Speaker 5: does well, the individually recognized it's no different that area.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's and and and that's that should be

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Speaker 2: the way it is. But and the only way I

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Speaker 4: It's not gonna go back.

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Speaker 5: Once you get into this world, you know it's not

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Speaker 3: To do advertising. Coach, you don't need to address what

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Speaker 4: Protect you.

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Speaker 3: I protected you on the front end. Coach. I'm wondering

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Speaker 3: How'd you feel about that?

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Speaker 5: I was shocked, to be honest with you, I can't

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Speaker 5: And and the reality is a lot of stuff is

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Speaker 4: But there's no doubt changes coming up.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure how much our input is going to

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Speaker 4: I don't know that. I can't say either way.

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Speaker 5: We've not had those discussions yet as coaches in the

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Speaker 4: I'm one of those Hey, I don't have to like it.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna react, we're gonna make the best of it,

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Speaker 2: Right, So, Stu, this is basically the comparison I'll make.

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Speaker 3: That wait coach. So I'm wondering, I'm gonna do some

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Speaker 3: What's the last movie you've seen period?

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, well the ones I don't remember the name

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Speaker 4: You probably never heard of me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a he's a contemporary Christian guy though, but

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been to like a rock and roll concert?

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, give us a skill that you have that would

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Speaker 4: Skill. Well, let me tell you this.

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Speaker 5: So my dad was my high school football coach, but

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Speaker 4: So we we did that work when I was throughout

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Speaker 5: I could tell you how your roof off your house,

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Speaker 2: Listen just how he talked about what his dad did.

444
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,440
Speaker 2: My father after his football career. My dad was a bricklayer,

445
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,920
Speaker 2: So starting at twelve years old, I would work side

446
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 2: jobs with him and I'd be swinging a sledge, breaking steps,

447
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 2: breaking down chimneys, building the scaffolding. I did a lot

448
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 2: of the grunt work. But no doubt, man, he paid

449
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 2: like ten bucks an hour cash, you know, back in

450
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 2: the back in the in the in the seventies. So

451
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:25,960
Speaker 2: I was pretty happy about that.

452
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 4: Say that. So my dad he laid bricks to I

453
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 4: never did the break and I did all the mortar,

454
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 4: mixed it all, had to carry it all, and I

455
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 4: did all just like I was the gruntwork guy.

456
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,680
Speaker 2: So no, no, no. The worst thing is when I

457
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 2: was mixing the mortar and my dad would come by

458
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,359
Speaker 2: and he'd just look at it. He'd moved around and

459
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 2: go two soupies.

460
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Speaker 3: And I mean, all, mikey, hey, they're talking a fucking

461
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 3: foreign language stuff.

462
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 4: Man labor.

463
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Coach, you have an irrational fear. I'm

464
00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 3: afraid of fronds. I called the cops once in a

465
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Speaker 3: Do you have an irrational fear?

466
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:02,400
Speaker 2: Oh?

467
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 4: Irrational?

468
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

469
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's as crazy as might sound.

470
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 5: I'm not a big I'm not real fond of the

471
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 5: dark now, I'm not. I think it's because my brother

472
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 5: and older sister used to scared me so much when

473
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Speaker 5: I was a kid that they like built in this

474
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 5: fear of you know, they were like being left in

475
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Speaker 5: the dark.

476
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 4: And yeah, even now when the basement's dark, I kind

477
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 4: of scurry up a little more tempo. When I was

478
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 4: a kid, I would sprint up the stairs to get

479
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Speaker 4: out of the door.

480
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Speaker 3: I love that. All right, Mike, I think you'll like

481
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 3: this one. You can partake with, Coach here, okay, one meal, Okay,

482
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: your final meal, Coach. You're going with?

483
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 2: What?

484
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 4: Oh steak without question, any particular cut. It was medium,

485
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 4: rare broccoli and a mountain dew.

486
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: Wow, there you go.

487
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 3: What kind of stik like? What cut is it? A porterhouse?

488
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 3: Is a strip?

489
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 4: No, I'm more of a guy.

490
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Speaker 6: I was gonna say, you look like a coach, and so.

491
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 3: Do you, Mike.

492
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: I would Uh, I'd be almost the same thing, except

493
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have any green on my plate. There'd be

494
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 2: no vegetables unless you consider mashed potatoes, leathered and butter vegetables.

495
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: And then I'd have make sure I had like a

496
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: chocolate cake or something too.

497
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 4: Guy. And there's no doubt.

498
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: Coach, how we expected? How unexpected was last year's success

499
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: for you and your team? It kind of came out

500
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: of nowhere for a lot of people, although if you

501
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 3: look back two years ago, I think some people saw

502
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 3: it coming. So how surprising was it to you?

503
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, we were not surprised. I wasn't.

504
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: I know.

505
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 5: I may obviously you beat the teams we beat, but

506
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 5: we've been real close with a lot of those teams,

507
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 5: and we've been building this thing step by step, year

508
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 5: by year. It wasn't uh, you know, it's been a

509
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 5: uh continuous process.

510
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 6: I believed in this team.

511
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 4: I believe it could be special.

512
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 5: Last year, obviously COVID threw a wrench into everything, and

513
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 5: so I wasn't really sure how they're gonna respond all

514
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 5: that with the preparation process. But same time, I was

515
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 5: not surprised, and I expect our guys to be in

516
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 5: those positions.

517
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: Now.

518
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: We had to execute, and we obviously want some some

519
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 4: close games and won some big games. But you know,

520
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 4: it's been a very deliberate build here, and we just

521
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 4: continue to build.

522
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: You know, along those lines. You know, you look at improvement,

523
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: and you're right because you go two, five, and seven,

524
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: and then at eight to five, so you saw it

525
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: kind of come. And then you start out with that

526
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 2: game against penn State, which was unbelievable. If nil was

527
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: last year, Pennix would have got a deal right after

528
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 2: that game, after the two point conversion and finish it

529
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: with completion straight. It was great. How do you like,

530
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Speaker 2: judge progress. I was looking at the years you've been

531
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Speaker 2: head coach, and each of those years you lost to

532
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 2: Ohio State by at least fourteen and in some cases

533
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: a lot more than that. And then last year it

534
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 2: was that you know, one touchdown game Is that an

535
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: indicator or is that an outliers? Is that not something

536
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: to look at as far as progress against the same

537
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 2: team over a number of years.

538
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Speaker 5: I think it is, you know, and because you obviously

539
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 5: got a similar comparison, consistent comparison, I guess to put it.

540
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 5: And you know each other pretty well, and we'd played them,

541
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Speaker 5: you know, and the history had been we'd played them

542
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 5: well for two quarters, three quarters, and then the fourth

543
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 5: quarter was where their depth and their talent and everything

544
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 5: just took over. So the twenty nineteen season was really,

545
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 5: if you look at the whole big picture, that was

546
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Speaker 5: the one year where they kind of get after us,

547
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 5: and it was early and often and they did me

548
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 5: and so.

549
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: But if the rest of them was not like that

550
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 4: and so. But then you take about the other teams.

551
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Speaker 5: On our schedule, you could kind of see some similar

552
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 5: growth to know that, and that's why I say, if

553
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 5: you talk to the coaches, you know, they would tell you,

554
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: you know, they a lot of those guys had saw

555
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 5: the growth as well.

556
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 4: And it wasn't like it just like I said, just

557
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 4: happened out of nowhere. And it was all three phases offense, defense,

558
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 4: and special teams. If you think about it.

559
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 5: In the past, Indiana has been known for their offense,

560
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 5: and when I got here, we were one of the

561
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 5: top offenses in the Big Ten, but our defense was

562
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 5: one of the worst in the Big Ten, and so

563
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 5: and special teams was I think very inconsistent would be

564
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 5: the best way to describe it. And so to me, really,

565
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 5: folks on those other two areas continued to be able

566
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 5: to play high level offense has been the key.

567
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 4: So it's just being creating a well rounded football team

568
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: that's got strength and has talent and has ability to

569
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Speaker 4: make plays in all three phases.

570
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Speaker 2: By the way, you were the one that changed that

571
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: defense when you got there in sixteen as a decordinator

572
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: and got them to incredible improvement. Has your recruiting forgetting

573
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: COVID just how you recruit a player. Has it changed

574
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: from your first year of being a head coach there

575
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: with the losing record that went to where you are

576
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: now on how you're selling the program to potential players.

577
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 5: Well, the message has been consistent. The cultural component has

578
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 5: not changed. What we're looking for and in terms of

579
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 5: fit has not changed. But here's the part that's changed.

580
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 5: And when we first were here, it was about what

581
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 5: we believe we were going to do, and now we're

582
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 5: saying this is what we've done. And that's where the

583
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 5: power has become even exponentially greater, because it's we now

584
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 5: have video evidence, we have things that we've done together

585
00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 5: as a team.

586
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 4: And even though those those close losses have become some close.

587
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 5: Wins and it's been you know, like you said, the

588
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen season really was the catalyst for that.

589
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: Those close road losses we had been experiencing, we.

590
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 5: Were able to overcome those and find ways to finish

591
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 5: out those games.

592
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 4: And so but to me, the fit who we are,

593
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: that's not changed and that's not going to change.

594
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: Coach, I'm wondering because it's such a tricky time for coaches,

595
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: for athletes, for everyone really with this pandemic, And so

596
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, do you have kids who have not been

597
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: vaccinated yet? And if so, what do you say to

598
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: those kids.

599
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: We're close to ninety.

600
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 5: Five percent that are, which is a strong number and

601
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 5: something we've pushed hard for.

602
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I want it's their decision.

603
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 4: You know, we're not mandating it. We're educating as.

604
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 5: Much as possible to try to make sure they understand,

605
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 5: you know, the pros and the cons of the whole

606
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 5: situation on both sides, and those that choose not to

607
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 5: they just got to understand what they need to do

608
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 5: to be able to allow themselves because even you shared

609
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 5: this recently. Our guys, it's about protecting this football team

610
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 5: and keeping this team healthy and allowing us to be

611
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 5: able to do what we work so hard to do

612
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 5: to get to this point. And so it's to me,

613
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 5: it's about those guys that put themselves in there. That's

614
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 5: a decision that they have that they've made either direction.

615
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 4: And then even the.

616
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 5: Guys that you know have been backstaated, we all still

617
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 5: learn here. But you still have to be careful. I mean,

618
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 5: you're nobody's immune to this, and so you can't get

619
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 5: it again or you can get after you get backstage. So, uh,

620
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 5: that to me is just it's continuous education. We talk

621
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 5: about all the time.

622
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's something that we've obviously encouraged. Uh, But

623
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 4: at the same time that they have to make their

624
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 4: own decision.

625
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, it's still kind of a hold your breath

626
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: across your fingers thing going into the season. Let's hope

627
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: it's all back to normal. I have one last question

628
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: for me, coach. Is Indiana now a football school? You

629
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: know what?

630
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 5: We're both And you know I'm born and raised in

631
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 5: the state, and I love basketball and I want to

632
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 5: spin our sixth national championship at Indiana.

633
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: And so you know, I'm from Newcastle and that's.

634
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 5: As as basketball as it gets, you know, in this state.

635
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 5: You know, so which is awesome, and so I want

636
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 5: us to be both, and I want us to be

637
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 5: able to great in both. That's why I came here

638
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 5: with that vision and as the head coaching.

639
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: That's what I want us to be.

640
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: Coach, you should have said just a football score, Like

641
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: if if Mike had asked Bobby Knight that a while back,

642
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: you would have said football. Uh, coach, good luck, congratulations

643
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: on a great year last year, and uh and thank

644
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: you for doing this. You've been great and uh and

645
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 3: good luck this year. You're navigating through some tricky times,

646
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: but uh, you seem to have it going in the

647
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: right direction. So we're working for you, and good luck.

648
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Thanks mine, all right.

649
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry forgetting your name wrong. It's such a difficult

650
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: name to get right, no doubt, Hey.

651
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 4: No problem, have a great, great day step by.

652
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: Stud you asked me, you asked me about n I

653
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: L at Notre Dame and what about you? What about

654
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: lax n I L What would you what could you

655
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: have sold for your school?

656
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: Wow? So Mike, it's me because yeah, no doubt Stu Potts,

657
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: someone get on that, all right. It's a good idea.

658
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: Stu Pot's is a good idea. Mike. It's funny because

659
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: for lacrosse, I think you and I have discussed this

660
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: off and before going to college and playing college across

661
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: is the pinnacle of that sport. It's like it's it's

662
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: like the professional leagues of that sport. They'll never play

663
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: at a higher level again. But I played D three,

664
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: so I'm not certain how much money would have been

665
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 3: out there for a D three lacrosse player, although I

666
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: was pretty good. I'm kind of more focused on how

667
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: it's gonna impact my daughter and what she's She's playing

668
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: Northwestern Division one and that makes it like one of

669
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: the top one hundred players that are sport in the country,

670
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: you know, well, which is amazing.

671
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: Now, So to not only ask how good a player is,

672
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: but what's their social media account? Like, it's unbelievable, right,

673
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean, what's their TikTok Instagram Twitter followers. I mean,

674
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: it's it's unbelievable. So I'm blown away by all that.

675
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and suddenly my daughter has a great interest in

676
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: my social media following. Yes, yes, because she sees money. Mike.

677
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: Well, she's saying, Dan, can you like my tweet? Or

678
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: you know, absolutely right, That's what the father's got to

679
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: do for a kid, no doubt about it.

680
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: I have to do. Is that really? Is that where

681
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: we're at. We've arrived in twenty twelve. I have to

682
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: do tiktoks for my kid?

683
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: Yes, you do. It's exactly what you have to do.

684
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: I guess I'll be doing them. Mike, how do you

685
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: feel about I'm interested here because I thought his comments

686
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: on realignment with Texas and Oklahoma is super, super fascinating.

687
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: You have these two teams in the Big Twelve. They

688
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: what they're telling you, Mike is they'd rather not dominate

689
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: the Big Twelve and go to the SEC, which I

690
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: find to me fascinating because Oklahoma had basically an automatic

691
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: bid into the College Football Playoff every year.

692
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: Well, they did. The only problem is there were times

693
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: when that conference didn't get anybody and that would be

694
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: a Now it wouldn't be a fear if once they

695
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: go to twelve teams and it's an automatic bid for

696
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: that for that conference champ. But compare that to the

697
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: fact that the amount that the SEC would be able

698
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: to get into a twelve team conference because you have

699
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: obviously the automatics and then you're gonna have six at large,

700
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: which a couple of them could end up being SEC teams.

701
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: So but we know what's a money play? Listen, we

702
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: already heard numbers like in the Big twelve, every team

703
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: as part of the split was getting twenty four million.

704
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: When Texas and Oh you leave, each of the teams

705
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: will end up getting fourteen million. So each team's taking

706
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: a ten million dollar hit. Well, that's not gonna fly.

707
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to jump with another conference. Is it

708
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve? Is it the AAC? Who does a

709
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: Big ten? Joined? Does the ACC and the SEC get together?

710
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: And I met what I said to coach is early

711
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: on in my career in this business, I probably would

712
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: have been yelling and screaming that can't do it for

713
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: this reason. But now it's like, there's no sense to

714
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: me wasting my breath on it. It's happening, so let's

715
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: figure out a way to have it work best for everybody,

716
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: which is going to be a stretch. Nil is still

717
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: going to go through major bumps because we haven't even

718
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: started the season yet. And then the realignment. Who's going

719
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: to take who, who's going to want to be where?

720
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: You know so? And how is it going to end up?

721
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: And remember this all has to end up that way

722
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: by twenty twenty five because that's the next TV deal.

723
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: And imagine if you have these super conferences, what they're

724
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 2: going to be asking from their TV partners. It's going

725
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: to be unbelievable the money that's going to be out.

726
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 6: Where does Notre Dame go in all this?

727
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: Well, Notre Dame. Here's the thing about it, in all honesty,

728
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: if it goes to a twelve team playoff, I don't see.

729
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't see how Notre Dame joins a conference. They

730
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: have an easier way to get in now. Now they

731
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: don't have to make the top four. They's just going

732
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: to make the top twelve and really, in essence, the

733
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: top eight, because they'll never be a one through four

734
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: seed because that goes to the top four conference champs.

735
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 2: And since they won't be in a conference. They can

736
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: the highest are as five, but they can be five

737
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: through twelve, so they have eight spots that they can grab.

738
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: It will actually be easier for them to make the

739
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: top twelve than the top four. So again, unless monetarily,

740
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: it would be so much more money to be in

741
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: a conference. But remember more teams in a super conference

742
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: means more teams you're split money with. Notre Dame is

743
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: an independent. Guess who gets the money Notre Dame. So

744
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: I think, quite honestly, if it goes to twelve, it

745
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: might even be more of a lock reason for Notre

746
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: Dame to be staying independent.

747
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: But would you want Notre Dame to have a chance

748
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 3: of getting one of those top four seeds? I mean,

749
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: the games could be easier, there's.

750
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: A better chance you're in the playoffs, you got a

751
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: chance for the title. Let me put it this way,

752
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: but Mike, if you're.

753
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: Won, you're playing Mike. If you're one, you're playing twelve.

754
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean, if the money is so much better being independent,

755
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: that's the tradeoff. Is a trade off to be a

756
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: one through four and get maybe that easier game and

757
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: being in a conference and the money split as opposed

758
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: to being five through twelve playing in games making money

759
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: and the amount more money that you're going to make

760
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: because and I don't want to hear from you Notre

761
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: Dame haters out there. All you're going for the everybody's

762
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: going for money. That's why all this shit is happening.

763
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: That's why I and I l is there the players

764
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: that get money. That's why Texas and Oklahoma left. They

765
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: left for money. That's why Maryland left, you know when

766
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: they left to go to the bank. It's for money.

767
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: This whole thing is for money. So save me with

768
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: your elitist Notre Dame people just looking for money. Yeah, no, shit,

769
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: welcome to the real world.

770
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 7: I understand Notre Dame's draw I understand all that, But

771
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 7: will the money still be there if if these super

772
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 7: conferences are out there to be had, I mean question,

773
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 7: will NBC want I'd rather have this super SEC deal

774
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 7: than Notre Dame.

775
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: Well, then they'd have to pay a hell of a

776
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: lot more money for an SEC deal than Notre Dame. No,

777
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: it's exactly right. So I don't even think NBC could

778
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: could jump into that now. But what mike y that

779
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: that's the answer right there, and that's always been the answer.

780
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: If it makes more sense for Notre Dame to be

781
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: in a conference, And by the way, if they do

782
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: have to be in a conference, they'll be in the

783
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: ACC because they're not going to pay a fifty million

784
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: dollar penalty to go to a different conference. If it

785
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: makes monetary sense for them to go into a conference,

786
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: they will. They will. And I'm not going to say

787
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: no problem because they've been used to this, but that

788
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: will be the deciding factor. Once that scale tips to

789
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: that side, they'll go. If it doesn't tip, they're going

790
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: to do what every other team would do if they

791
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: were in Notre Dame's position, stay independent, take the money.

792
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 7: So if they go to the ACC and then the

793
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 7: ACC joins with the SEC, you can have Notre Dame

794
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 7: in the SEC.

795
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: Yep, oh, yeah, absolutely right to me put it in, well, well,

796
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: the smartest thing right now is for conferences to be

797
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: on the phone with other conferences trying to trying to

798
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: put the pieces together on what the best matchups would be.

799
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: And I don't know what they would be, but that's

800
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: what people need to get ahead of the game. Listen,

801
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: Texas and Oklahoma weren't the first teams to move conferences,

802
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: but they're the latest too, and the biggest that is

803
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: now going to start the avalanche that's going to happen.

804
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: So I got to believe the phone calls that are

805
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: being made by not only the Power five other ones

806
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: you know, well SEC is not calling anybody, but but

807
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: also the group of fives. You know, who could we

808
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: pair with in the Power five possibly, So that that

809
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: that's it's all got to be going on, because it's

810
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: all got to be done by twenty twenty five.

811
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Clemson saying, hey, we're fine over here. You got

812
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 3: you gotta find it out, we'll play the acc Yeah.

813
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, so just listen, Stu. You're you're you're

814
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: not as old as me obviously, but I mean, and

815
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: you heard coach Allen, you know, talk about being old school.

816
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: So what you want and what you see. Do you

817
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: have a problem with things that are going on right now?

818
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: Oh? No, absolutely, Mike. It's all driven by money. I

819
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: have no issue with that. Like that's that's the way

820
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: the world goes round, goes around, right, It's all it's

821
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: all driven by But I have no problem with the

822
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: conference realignment. I have no problem if we arrive at

823
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 3: a super Conference. I have no issues with the nil.

824
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 3: The one thing about the NIL, which I find funny,

825
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 3: it's gonna happen, Mike, because in a way, you're asking people.

826
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: You're asking kids, college kids who are busy enough right

827
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: at their craft and hopefully education, You're asking them to

828
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: make their own schedules. I am telling you what's gonna

829
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: happen here is you're gonna have a kid who's supposed

830
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: to be a practice who is making an appearance at

831
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: a bar or a car dealership. And it's going to

832
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: be bad. It's going to be ugly. But no, I

833
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 3: have no issues with any of this, Mike. I mean, listen,

834
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 3: you and I are an idiot's all. This is driven

835
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: by money. That's it.

836
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: No, No, And I hope your daughter makes a ton

837
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: of in a Northwestern but that's going to be the issue.

838
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: And that's where I wondered where the coach is following us?

839
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: And that's why I think the smart schools hire the

840
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: third party companies to help facilitate and there's got to

841
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: be a bridge between school and player to not have

842
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: that appearance. I can't I disagree with you. I don't

843
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: think that's going to happen. I don't think a player

844
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: is going to miss for an appearance. I think that's

845
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: going to have to be part of these deals, and

846
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be put into their head

847
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: that okay, you can do this, but it can't interfere

848
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: with that. I think the best school that's done the

849
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: best job has been Nebraska. Check out Nebraska's nil like

850
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: pages and what they prepared for players and how they're

851
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: helping players. They were the ones. They didn't fight it

852
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: like the NCAA tries to fight everything. They saw it

853
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: coming and they were proactive. And then when you're proactive

854
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: and get ahead of the curve a little bit, it

855
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: makes a big difference.

856
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: But mikeye, listen, Golic's been doing this long enough. Okay,

857
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: Golic would be at every single practice. It would never

858
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: happen to him because Mike is handed the dirt. He's

859
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: old school, he's responsible. He's gonna be there. He's gonna

860
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: be fifteen minutes fucking early. Okay, maybe a half hour early,

861
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: but Mikey, Yeah, you know there's a kid out there

862
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: who is totally missing a UCF practice because he's gotten

863
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: appearods at a Cadillact dealership on University drive.

864
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 7: Somewhere I think where it's really gonna get crazy is

865
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 7: the licensing of the school brand. You know, yes, you

866
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 7: can make your money off your name and likeness. But

867
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 7: when I put on that Notre Dame, Ohio State, whatever, Jersey,

868
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 7: and then I'm affiliated with that, that's where I think

869
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 7: it's gonna get really crazy because there's gonna be some

870
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 7: kids signing some deals. Well, schools aren't gonna want them

871
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 7: to be a part of.

872
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: There's gonna have to be ruled. This is where this

873
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: is where another reason I'm glad it happened in the

874
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: summer because they need to figure that out. You know,

875
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: a school can't be Gatorade and a kid go do

876
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: a power Aid deal. I mean, or a school be

877
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: you know, under armored a kid get a Nike deal.

878
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: Those are going to be tough things to do. So

879
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: that's the stuff I think that that is going to

880
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: have to get hammered out. And that's another reason I

881
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: think it was good at all happened in the summertime,

882
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: before the season even started, because I mean, and fus

883
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: what a great recruiting call. Look at Nick Saban did

884
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: to their quarterback, you know, talking about him making a

885
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: million bucks for his steps on the field. He didn't

886
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: do that quietly. He didn't do that the sly. He

887
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: did that loud and proud to let everybody know, Hey,

888
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: come to Alabama, man, you'll get paid before you even

889
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: get on the field. He might Yeah, he might as

890
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: well have a freaking sign on his head saying.

891
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: That, Mike, is there a Notre Dame player that we

892
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: could sponsor? Stupotody like, I want a Notre Dame player sponsored.

893
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: Well, if we do, we got to get a d

894
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: lineman because the old linemen have all been taken care of,

895
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: all seventeen of them, thirteen or seventeen of them got

896
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: sponsored by Mission Barbecue, so they all have a have

897
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: a deal with them already there. So that's another cool

898
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: thing is some of these colleges are doing entire positions

899
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 2: or like at the U in Miami, the entire team

900
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: for the for the MMA gyms and such. So for me,

901
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: it would have to be some you know, uh, in

902
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: the in the in the dirty.

903
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: Like even even with even with those team deals, and

904
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: I agree they're smart, but even with those team deals,

905
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: you have the guys have the to go out and

906
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: secure their own deals mean that's category exclusive. I would

907
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: I would think like the Keynes quarterback just did a

908
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: deal with the Florida Panthers, which.

909
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: Is ceazing, you know, so would you be pissed?

910
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: I want your quarterback, Mike, I want your quarterback presented

911
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: by stupidity. I need you to make that happen. Okay,

912
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: I can't get a de lineman, listen, get to you

913
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: get a d lineman for yourself, okay, and get me

914
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: a quarterback? Okay? Is that fair?

915
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: So? The one thing I wonder, and I wonder how

916
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: you would have been. It's tough to go back all

917
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: these years in wonder and we won't know until it happens.

918
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: Would you if now you were one of the better players,

919
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: But say there was better players and they were getting

920
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: deals and you weren't. Do you think there's going to

921
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: be animosity in the locker one?

922
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: But I think you only have yourself to blame in

923
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: that spot, Mike, Like, either you're not paying attention to

924
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 3: what the school's trying to teach you, you're not paying

925
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: attention to whatever third party the school is hired to

926
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 3: kind of help you out, or you're just not hustling

927
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: on your own like this requires a little bit of

928
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: hustle on the kid's part. They got the form relationships,

929
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: get deals done hopefully, but I like the idea of

930
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: having kind of that third party doing that. And yeah,

931
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: of course there's gonna be animosity. How could there not be?

932
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 3: I mean, they're human beings, so they're gonna see one

933
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: kid on the team have fifteen sponsors making you know,

934
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: seven figures and they don't have a single sponsor. They're

935
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: making no money. But that's on them, it's not on

936
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: the kid who's got the fifteen sponsors, right, I.

937
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 2: Agree, I agree we need let's get medical marijuana. Let's

938
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: get that in Dodge.

939
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 3: I don't do that.

940
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, No, dame, as long as as

941
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: long as you know, as long as stupidity doesn't test, you.

942
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 3: Know why and why does it have to be medical.

943
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 4: Test?

944
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 6: We share.

945
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: No testing shame. Oh well, then forget the medical Mike,

946
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: why you get notre dame.

947
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: I'm wondering you have the experience here, That question would

948
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 3: be better asked of you, like, do you think there's

949
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: gonna be animosity? There has to be if a kid's.

950
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: Not making much that human nature, Yes, I think because

951
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: and it won't be so much with the guy the

952
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: one thing. And you know this too, Stu is you

953
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: kind of know your place in the locker room. There

954
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: are times and to a point where you may think

955
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: you're better than you are, but over time you kind

956
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: of understand where you are in the locker room. So

957
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: it won't be the star and the guy who is

958
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: not going to be a star. It'll be that person

959
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: right below being a star, you know that, just that

960
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: wrung down guy if he's not getting some things and

961
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: the star is. But will will a quarterback share? You know,

962
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: could a quarterback get a deal and share it with

963
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: his own line? You know? Will that stuff happen? But

964
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: to your point, it's human nature and you're talking college

965
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: attitude kids, college years. Correct me if I'm wrong on

966
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: this could be the most selfish years of anybody's men's

967
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: or women's life. Eighteen to twenty two. It is all

968
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: about you and that is it. So if you ain't

969
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: getting yours, you're going to be pissed at somebody because

970
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: you're going to feel like they're taking yours. It's gonna happen.

971
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And most people graduate, like when they graduate college,

972
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: they graduate from that. Unless you're mate because there are.

973
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: Exceptions, and you are one.

974
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: Thank you, Mike, real quickly before we get out of here.

975
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: Bobby Badden was a very good friend, became a very

976
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 3: good friend to our show, very good friend to both

977
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: me and levitarn uh Dan and I felt hole because

978
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: we were talking about Bobby Badden and realized a lot

979
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: of kids in our audience had no idea what it

980
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: is we're talking about. I don't care, Mike, Bobby Bowden

981
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: is one of the legendary great coaches, not just in

982
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: college football, in any sport. And so I'm wondering any thoughts, old, what.

983
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: What did you like about? What was the best thing

984
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: that you liked about?

985
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 3: So there's two ways to coach, Mike. There's there's the

986
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: Nick Saban way, where it's kind of hey, I'm the guy.

987
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: It's it's it's dictatorship when I say you do right.

988
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: And then with Bobby Badden, what I found different about

989
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: him is players wanted to play for him. Parents wanted

990
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: their kids to go to him. Players weren't necessarily playing

991
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: to win, they were playing not to let Bobby bout

992
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: it down because they loved him so so much. And

993
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: it really felt like and I applied a lot of

994
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: this when I was sending my daughter off to college. Hey,

995
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: I need an extension of my family to look over

996
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: my daughter. And so we chose coaches who were married,

997
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: who have kids who are our age, and we chose

998
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: a great school as well. And I think a lot

999
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: of parents had such comfort in sending their kids to

1000
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: not just Bobby, but Bobby and Ann bout it right.

1001
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: And so I just loved his style of coaching. From

1002
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: this standpoint, the players weren't necessarily playing to win a

1003
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 3: national championship. They were playing to make coach bout Him proud,

1004
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: and that means he had earned their respect. And that's

1005
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: what I loved about him when those.

1006
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: Were you know, during the ten years when I first

1007
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: got to ESPN that I was calling games until I

1008
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: stopped went when my first one, Mike, went to high

1009
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: school and I stopped doing it for a while. I

1010
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: called more than a few FSU games. And the one

1011
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: thing when you call the game, you go in there

1012
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: and and you meet face to face with coaches and

1013
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: coordinators and the head coach, you know, you're talking football,

1014
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: you're writing stuff down. His were the best, most personable

1015
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: ones because we would go in his office. He had

1016
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: this great, big office. We wouldn't sit at this conference table.

1017
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: We'd sit at the couch, you know, the couch and

1018
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: chairs and the big, big plus plush couches, and we

1019
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: would barely in all honesty talk x's and o's. We

1020
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: basically talked about the kids, the players, where they came from,

1021
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: what they were doing, experiences off the field, some on

1022
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: the field. We mix it in. He was he was

1023
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: just like your grandpa sitting there talking about how proud

1024
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: he was of his kids, you know, and what they

1025
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: were doing.

1026
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 3: And he would call them my kids. And you just

1027
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: lost my kids.

1028
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you lost all track of time.

1029
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 2: You just sat there and you know, and just before

1030
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: you knew it, you're like, my god, I've been here

1031
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: a long time. Didn't really talk any x's and o's,

1032
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: but so what you know, that's what the coordinators are for. Uh.

1033
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: And it was it was just the best. He was

1034
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: such such a nice man, such a nice man.

1035
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1036
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: And for me, it proved kind of like at the

1037
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: at the pro level, Hey, you could do it this way.

1038
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: You don't have to yell and scream. It's kind of

1039
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: like Tony Dudgey on the pro level. Right, you don't

1040
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: have to yelling scream. This is a different way of

1041
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: doing it, and for me, it's the better way of It's, Mike,

1042
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: I guess the best way I can articulate it to you,

1043
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: I would say, if I had a son that could

1044
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 3: play college football, I'd send them to that coach because

1045
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: I know that coach cares about my son.

1046
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: I think it's the best, the best compliment you can

1047
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: give a coach. If you said I'd send my kid

1048
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: to that coach, I think it's one of the best

1049
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: compliments you give a coach that you would trust your child.

1050
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: He's also the coach I would most want to read

1051
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: me a bedtime story, Mikey, do you have anyone like

1052
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: if they're ye, like, if you know one else? Right,

1053
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: I'm ending the game with Bobby Batty. Mike, thanks for

1054
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: doing my work for me today. I appreciate it.

1055
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: That's all right. I'm sure to check send the mail

1056
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: to me so I'll expect in that.

1057
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: Mikey hasn't gotten one yet.

1058
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: You'll be yeah, yeah, anytime, stud I'll be there.

1059
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: Not how's every week? Said Yeah,