Speaker 1: Scam, Come.
Speaker 2: Rob from scam, Come rob from Scam Goddess WS Pop
Speaker 2: and Congregation. It is your girl, Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess,
Speaker 2: back with the podcast all about robbery, fraud and those
Speaker 2: who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them.
Speaker 2: One thing for sure is that we likely will laugh
Speaker 2: at them, but never at the victims.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, y'all, I'm very excited, elated, thrilled.
Speaker 2: This is a landmark episode. I don't even know if
Speaker 2: y'all are gonna be able to tell. You'll be able
Speaker 2: to tell when I tell y'all for real, but I
Speaker 2: am now at iHeartRadio, my home Originally. If you're an
Speaker 2: og TDZ Daily Seyitgeist fan, you know I used to
Speaker 2: be up in their like swimwear honey back in the
Speaker 2: twenty one or the twenty and then it was a
Speaker 2: one in front of it twenty teens. Yes, but now
Speaker 2: I'm so graace to have y'all give it up. Get
Speaker 2: up out your seat, park your car, stand out in
Speaker 2: the street. Okay, it's that serious. I have the man,
Speaker 2: my one of my podcast godfathers, who literally gave me
Speaker 2: the name Scam Goddess. On an episode of the Daily
Speaker 2: Zeit Guys on the show. He is an official member
Speaker 2: of the Christina Aguilera poss.
Speaker 3: He's currently the number one Arsenal fan period.
Speaker 2: He's the host of The Daily Zeit Guys and for
Speaker 2: Twenty Day Fiance Please give it Up for Miles gram Mine.
Speaker 4: Thank you, I humble myself. I bow prostrate before you
Speaker 4: scam got prostraight? Yeah, yeah, that's that's the formal term.
Speaker 4: Now I they say prostate prostraight.
Speaker 2: Oh, I stand before you for the prostate exam.
Speaker 4: No, thank you for having me. I didn't realize you
Speaker 4: were having me on the first episode. So that feels
Speaker 4: very appropriate. And I think we've always said, look, we
Speaker 4: messed up. We didn't get you the first time.
Speaker 3: Gotcha. Sorry for two thousand four.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but now I'm just I'm just so happy that,
Speaker 5: uh we get to be label mates, you know, yes,
Speaker 5: and kick it off like this.
Speaker 3: Death records for life.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, no, literally for.
Speaker 3: Life, because I heart I kill you if you leave.
Speaker 4: That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3: So we there.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, then you don't need to send that
Speaker 4: through standards and practices. They will, they know that's no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they know it's one of the standards and one
Speaker 2: of the practices.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we got the whole you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: It took one of my pet turtles.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, slow poke, you see him again.
Speaker 4: No, And I like to believe that he might have
Speaker 4: his own show somewhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope we're not up there with Franklin. I'm
Speaker 2: assumming Franklin past by now because he was one hundred
Speaker 2: when I was kh Yeah, he's probably gone. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: So Myles on this podcast, we love to talk about scams,
Speaker 2: fried cons, and we love a little warm up. So
Speaker 2: I want to get sure opinions about a few different topics,
Speaker 2: and you let me know if you think it's a scam,
Speaker 2: a scheme, or a real thing. So a scam is
Speaker 2: something that we under no circumstances should.
Speaker 3: Be legal, is legal, or or is illegal what we happen.
Speaker 3: It's a full on scam.
Speaker 2: We know that a scheme is something that feels scammy,
Speaker 2: but you know it is protected by the law, or
Speaker 2: you know it isn't protected by the law, but somehow
Speaker 2: it's just a practice that keeps happening. And then the
Speaker 2: real thing is something that is a legitimate pillar of society,
Speaker 2: like a rule that we need to follow or or
Speaker 2: or something that helps us in our lives. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So my first question bring Miles Gray, Christina aguileras posse,
Speaker 2: which wait, I.
Speaker 4: Don they even come up.
Speaker 3: What have you been doing with your sagular abile recently?
Speaker 4: Nothing recently. I have not seen that person since the
Speaker 4: Year of Our Lord two thousand and six or seven.
Speaker 2: But the fact that you said recently, I don't know,
Speaker 2: Miles is full of lore. Like we could honestly just
Speaker 2: do a whole episode.
Speaker 4: I am like a Forest Gump type figure. I have
Speaker 4: realized if I put it all on paper. Yeah, a
Speaker 4: lot of very weird. I was just talking to I
Speaker 4: was telling somebody about how I invited Mark Jacobs to
Speaker 4: my twenty second birthday party. I love that because I
Speaker 4: met him at a party with Christiana Aguilar. Now I
Speaker 4: had access to people back then.
Speaker 3: You was really out here. You're still out here, and
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: Out here and I'm still forty one, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Period, doing it, doing it.
Speaker 3: Doing it, honey.
Speaker 2: Okay, So scam scheme a real thing. First one of
Speaker 2: holiday sales. Do we think that these are like? So,
Speaker 2: for instance, like the fourth of July, you know, like
Speaker 2: they have the I remember when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: my auntie Alexis would always buy me a fourth of
Speaker 2: July T shirt because you don't know, fourth of July,
Speaker 2: c that's my birthday. So she would always give me
Speaker 2: a T shirt on sale at Old Navy, you know,
Speaker 2: like they used to have like little blowout sales, like
Speaker 2: all the holidays, I mean obviously like Friday, like yeah.
Speaker 4: All these Memorial Day, Easter whatever, yeah, which the.
Speaker 2: World I always felt tacking to me, like are we
Speaker 2: celebrating like the ours who yeah, who had passed away
Speaker 2: giving their lives up for our country. And we're like
Speaker 2: and we got a sad ye no, yo, husband didn't
Speaker 2: come back. But don't you need a frame for that
Speaker 2: American flag?
Speaker 4: They got it for to none and not right exactly.
Speaker 4: And for all the added labor you have from being
Speaker 4: the only parent in a household due to the war,
Speaker 4: why not get a deep discount on this washing machine? Right?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: God Dice is a sale for all doing work to
Speaker 2: bereave families.
Speaker 3: So what do we do it?
Speaker 4: And look and look that Joe could have gone anywhere.
Speaker 4: But for me, realistically, I believe that it is a
Speaker 4: scam it's actually a scheme for going to be real
Speaker 4: like because it's all just it's all language. But and
Speaker 4: honestly it's a scam, like they're just selling things at
Speaker 4: a price that still they are still able to profit from.
Speaker 4: So I was like, why isn't this the price all
Speaker 4: the time?
Speaker 2: Yes, And a lot of people were pointing out in
Speaker 2: recent Black Fridays over the years, because we know, Black
Speaker 2: Friday ain't black nowhere.
Speaker 4: I don't know what she is all Friday.
Speaker 3: Right, she's not giving black. I don't ever go where. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's giving Red Friday because we're in the red.
Speaker 2: My big account is still in the red when we're
Speaker 2: shopping now, like what's happening? And some people have gone
Speaker 2: into stores and realized that employees have put like sales
Speaker 2: tickers stickers over the original price, and some of those
Speaker 2: Black Friday sales stickers are actually more expensive than the
Speaker 2: price was before the Black Friday sale.
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of stores have started.
Speaker 2: To flip over, just like the airlines did when Spirit
Speaker 2: pulled up and all the locality like low fare, you know,
Speaker 2: discount airlines, and they started charging for basic amendmenties that
Speaker 2: we used to get don't just switch over to doing
Speaker 2: that too. And I've talked about that on an episode,
Speaker 2: and I think the stores might be doing that too,
Speaker 2: where it's like, we know we're gonna have high amount
Speaker 2: of foot traffic because people come in expecting a deal,
Speaker 2: so instead of giving them a deal, we might as
Speaker 2: well just run it up since we go have a
Speaker 2: store full of people.
Speaker 4: Yes, And that's why people need to be This is
Speaker 4: where you have to be. Like how like I was
Speaker 4: when as a teenager and I wanted something, It's like
Speaker 4: you had to obsess about some different months because you
Speaker 4: didn't have the money for it, and you just obsessed
Speaker 4: about the price, so you knew when something was actually priced.
Speaker 4: You're like, no, that is actually the best price for
Speaker 4: this insert consumer good here. Yeah. And if you don't
Speaker 4: know that, yeah, you're gonna walk into it and you're like, no,
Speaker 4: this shit is it was? It was this price like
Speaker 4: literally three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Like what happened to the dad lore? I remember dads
Speaker 2: used to shop for TVs like they were shopping for cars.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, like before the price went down, Astron cleave
Speaker 2: TV's and they became more regular. You know, I remember,
Speaker 2: you know, my dad being on the website like, oh
Speaker 2: they got this new Samsung drop.
Speaker 4: Like, ooh it's the seven twenty p HD. Wow that's
Speaker 4: a good number. I didn't fit this this new HD
Speaker 4: thing I just heard. Yeah, it really was. I remember
Speaker 4: the first time I thought I could afford a TV
Speaker 4: that was humbling. It was like probably two thousand and
Speaker 4: seven and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get a
Speaker 4: fucking flat screen TV. And then they did a credit
Speaker 4: check and I was like, do we have to do all?
Speaker 4: This isn't that much? How much is it for this one?
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's crazy how much how much cheaper TV
Speaker 4: are now?
Speaker 3: Right they really are?
Speaker 2: Since you know, when we farmed out all the labor
Speaker 2: and ruined our country's infrastructure with many industries, things came
Speaker 2: a lot cheaper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look that's the trade off. That's the true. You
Speaker 4: don't have health care, but you can have you have
Speaker 4: a TV the size of your goiter, right.
Speaker 3: Like, who needs clean air? Baby?
Speaker 2: We gotta love island on and on.
Speaker 4: Pretend you're breathing that air from the TV.
Speaker 3: Yes, pretend you're breathing that Fiji air.
Speaker 4: That's all we can do. And you just get an
Speaker 4: old spice thing of Fiji and then he.
Speaker 2: Sniffed that, and you know they're obviously we're talking right
Speaker 2: now about stores and physical things like that, but it's
Speaker 2: also happening on the internet. You know, there's fake social
Speaker 2: media ads, there's non delivery schemes where you purchase an item,
Speaker 2: they take your money, but the product never arrives. Like
Speaker 2: I always tell you, if it's a website that you
Speaker 2: ain't never heard of, some that co some some that wish,
Speaker 2: you really have to be careful and maybe go on
Speaker 2: a few threads and see if you can find other
Speaker 2: people who purchased from there before, because there's always a
Speaker 2: paper trail. Even if you don't find it on their
Speaker 2: website because they scrubbing it, you're not gonna find them.
Speaker 2: The Better Business Bureau, which I already told you I
Speaker 2: was a scam.
Speaker 3: They don't do nothing.
Speaker 2: They literally have businesses pay them to take down negative reviews.
Speaker 2: That's how they make money.
Speaker 4: You ain't doing nothing telling bb oh, we're not saying
Speaker 4: the business will be better. No, we're making ship better
Speaker 4: for the businesses that pay us. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Better Business Bureau is your businesses, your strong army.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah to the consumer, Oh, you better mind your
Speaker 4: own business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we never said better because no, listen, look at
Speaker 2: the BBB. Yeah right, bitch, get out of here, and
Speaker 2: you better get out of here right now.
Speaker 3: That's the last beat.
Speaker 4: Why do you call me?
Speaker 3: That's what better business? Gurrel about? Bit okay, gang gang.
Speaker 2: Also, I want to remind y'all that every holiday the
Speaker 2: robbery like robbery is a real thing.
Speaker 3: Y'all, y'all know that to listen to this podcast.
Speaker 4: Robbery is a real thing. Are they people out there
Speaker 4: who don't think robbery is a real thing. No, they think.
Speaker 3: It's like a stick up and they put your hands.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, it's don't leave bags in your car
Speaker 2: if you're going into another store and you're in a
Speaker 2: public parking lot. My mom always said, don't make a
Speaker 2: thief out of nobody, which means don't leave anything in
Speaker 2: your back seat.
Speaker 3: Don't leave in your front seat. Put your ship in
Speaker 3: the trunk.
Speaker 2: Because if you got a car full of stuff and
Speaker 2: you're shopping around, you know, in these days with the economy,
Speaker 2: you be trying to throw a cookout one of the
Speaker 2: few that's go happen this summer, because they're trying to
Speaker 2: do that without crashing it, right, Oscar Meyer.
Speaker 3: Right, got a first name. That's that window.
Speaker 2: It's always CR and your cr Yeah exactly, it's s
Speaker 2: h a r ds of glass so you're passenger seat.
Speaker 4: Okay, give me the fucking hot dog.
Speaker 2: I've had my car broken into, and the saddest part
Speaker 2: was they didn't steal nothing, which made me feel very unworthy.
Speaker 2: Ah had the markings twice. The other time it was unlocked,
Speaker 2: but they just went in and they stole. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a girl's girl, and it's gonna be out.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have my tampons in my glove compartment, with
Speaker 2: my deodorant, my you know, extra lip gloss liner.
Speaker 3: You never know where the girl's gonna take core today.
Speaker 4: Especially in LA. You will not be kind lacking.
Speaker 2: They took my toothbrush, my the owner rush. They took
Speaker 2: all the few. But tell me this, Miles, why did
Speaker 2: they leave me some armor oil wipes? I said, But
Speaker 2: it's not you trying to tell me my car.
Speaker 3: Dirty, like.
Speaker 4: I honestly, I don't even know if it's that. I
Speaker 4: think it was a stalker who was like, I want
Speaker 4: her toothbrush.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know I've had stalkers and this is in
Speaker 2: a building where I actually had to move from.
Speaker 4: Okay, never mind, never mind, never mind that got too close.
Speaker 2: No, but I think it was was on the house
Speaker 2: because they didn't take anything else. They took necessities, so
Speaker 2: I feel bad about it. Break my window, they opened
Speaker 2: the door. They had the courtesy to just I guess
Speaker 2: I left the bitch on locks. I said, you know what,
Speaker 2: that's fine. I did use some of them wipes on
Speaker 2: my seats. I was like, you know what, they might
Speaker 2: have a point, so sometimes Roberts can be a blessing.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, then they painted they said, carved wash me
Speaker 4: from the dirt film on the side of your door.
Speaker 3: Robbing me and shady me is diabolical, but honestly I
Speaker 3: respect it.
Speaker 2: Shaded right scam coh next scam scheme or real thing?
Speaker 2: AI photos on restaurant menus.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck that that is. I mean, that's absolute scam.
Speaker 4: That's a scam. However, okay, we got it. However, in here,
Speaker 4: there's there's something I like about people getting tricked by
Speaker 4: AI because this shit is so obvious. A lot of
Speaker 4: the time you look at it and you're like, come
Speaker 4: to our new barbecue wrestaurant. Like, I've never seen a
Speaker 4: rib with a like a cross section of ribs in
Speaker 4: it that looks like a crucifix. Like if you really
Speaker 4: look at like this AI photo fucking sucks and people
Speaker 4: are like this place didn't even exist, right, I do
Speaker 4: like there's something. I think AI as a technology is terrible,
Speaker 4: and obviously the environmental costs aside. I love how it's
Speaker 4: super charged scammers though, because it allowed it gives them
Speaker 4: this like air of legitimacy when you like, this is
Speaker 4: our menu, these are my product photos. This is not real.
Speaker 2: So and then people are going to restaurants and ordering
Speaker 2: things that they saw on the AI menu. And I
Speaker 2: will send this to Iro new producer Joe l but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you right now, Miles.
Speaker 3: Just like on my phone.
Speaker 4: It's like what you saw on the menu versus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, versus what you got. And it's alarming and.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see this, Okay.
Speaker 3: People are trying to use it everywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing people making excuses for their homemade jewelry that
Speaker 2: they're selling, but they're using AI for the photos of
Speaker 2: the jewelry, And I'm like, why can't you just take
Speaker 2: a picture on your phone? We all are walking around
Speaker 2: with a decent size or just a grade camera, Like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean you're using AI?
Speaker 3: Also, if you're selling me a product, I want to
Speaker 3: look at.
Speaker 4: The real thing, not you, not your wish list version
Speaker 4: of how you if you had your shit together, how
Speaker 4: this thing would look.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: And so here I'm gonna show you this one, myles.
Speaker 2: So this is the AI photo of what looks.
Speaker 4: To be a.
Speaker 3: Bed of sweet potato, sweet potato puadeka. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we've got one of those edible flowers. I
Speaker 2: forget the name of this flower, but I used to
Speaker 2: work with it all the time.
Speaker 4: Ever, it's in every like cocktail bar ever cocks out.
Speaker 2: She had a moment, she had a moment in twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen where you could not miss.
Speaker 4: Her twenty everybody that was definitely even before. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: definitely remember that. I remember the first time I thought,
Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck is wow? And at
Speaker 4: the time I was like this, this cocktail's eleven dollars.
Speaker 3: I've ate so many of them.
Speaker 4: Are they good? Or just like for the fucking just
Speaker 4: because just because you could, You're like, fuck it, because
Speaker 4: I can, I'll eat.
Speaker 2: This edible Yes, because also like I'm a food snob
Speaker 2: when it comes to everything on the plate should be edible, Like.
Speaker 4: Really is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't put on the core on my plate. Everything
Speaker 2: should be edible, and it s'uld still.
Speaker 4: Be Okay, that makes sense. I'm trying to think of,
Speaker 4: like what wouldn't be on there? I thought in your mind,
Speaker 4: you're like, man that let me get down with this plate.
Speaker 4: You're like.
Speaker 3: I used to put like a spring of roseberry on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I can't eat no spree.
Speaker 4: I don't like parsonally anyway, So go on.
Speaker 3: So yeah, partly partially devastated.
Speaker 2: Black comunity actually moved on, though I'm seeing less and
Speaker 2: less green lakes on mat yeah, and on devil dings.
Speaker 2: So black people, we let that strangle that Parsley had
Speaker 2: on us go. Now here's what it actually looks like
Speaker 2: at the restaurant. Yeah, yeah, because you're around, look at
Speaker 2: that looks terribly We're gonna.
Speaker 3: Put it on the page, y'all.
Speaker 4: We are the marshmallow topping.
Speaker 2: Why are there marshmallows on ass? And it looks like
Speaker 2: they browned some of them maybe, but not all of them.
Speaker 2: And then there's like, you.
Speaker 4: Know what they were doing. They were using they were
Speaker 4: using a fucking lighter to try and brown the top.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that that looks like. I don't
Speaker 4: even know.
Speaker 2: What part of it is is that because this obviously
Speaker 2: this is the greens and now it gonna stuck the
Speaker 2: flower in the greens, the marshmallow yams.
Speaker 4: Which is the story with this place? Where is this
Speaker 4: place at? You know this.
Speaker 2: Place is in Texas or Texas. This isn't Arlington. This
Speaker 2: is my hometown. And this girl said she was doing
Speaker 2: a TikTok experience on her review there, and that's what
Speaker 2: she saw online and that's what she actually got in person.
Speaker 2: I personally don't go to a lot of restaurants that
Speaker 2: have this don't sound so snoppy, but don't go to
Speaker 2: a lot of restaurants that have like pictures of food
Speaker 2: on the menu at all.
Speaker 4: But listen sometimes, Lacy.
Speaker 3: No, but listen.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we be outside and you know, factory or whatever. Yeah, cheesecake.
Speaker 2: I want extra brown bread and it's jill teeth. You
Speaker 2: better not bring me none of that crunchy white I
Speaker 2: want all brown bread.
Speaker 3: You know, we like bring it for the white people too.
Speaker 3: Everybody likes the brown bread.
Speaker 4: Come on, let me see you eat it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's delicious.
Speaker 2: One time they were selling it. I think they do
Speaker 2: still sell it at a store called Raupse here in LA.
Speaker 4: But I went in they had It's so funny. I
Speaker 4: love you. You have such a large audience that you don't
Speaker 4: get too regional about saying the largest supermarket chain in LA.
Speaker 4: There's a store called Ralph's. You might know it as
Speaker 4: Kroger Albertson's. That's just how how the Kroger brand manifests
Speaker 4: itself in Los Angeles is called Ralphs.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, I know it as Algae.
Speaker 2: Y'all might got a Marxist Spencer's, but they still close.
Speaker 3: That's closer to Target.
Speaker 4: Hey UK, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: So right period period, but yes, so I wouldn't know
Speaker 2: they had cheesecake factory bred that you your house. That
Speaker 2: was during COVID. That was a rough time for me.
Speaker 2: I was warming up cheesecake factory bread in my home.
Speaker 2: But it is comforting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need that, you need that. I was buying
Speaker 4: ship from Subway, like they were giving away bulk. You
Speaker 4: could buy bulk ingredients from Subway. I was like yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: and cookies were like you get like seventy of them
Speaker 4: for three bucks. It was crazy, that's wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to see an AI photo of
Speaker 2: something and not come out looking like the photo.
Speaker 3: I don't see anything, but like, just take a picture
Speaker 3: of the food.
Speaker 2: And if you can't do that, then just give us
Speaker 2: a great description of what's in the dish and don't
Speaker 2: put a photo on your menu.
Speaker 3: Nobody's when the don't see a picture.
Speaker 4: The mushroom topping on those sweet potatoes was diabolical. The
Speaker 4: quote unquote char It looked like someone took the lighter
Speaker 4: supposed to be marshmallows. Oh yeah, what did I say?
Speaker 4: What I call mushroom? But the marshmallow topping, it looks
Speaker 4: like rather than it being like properly you know, broiled
Speaker 4: or something, they had a lighter and they're like get in.
Speaker 4: They're like, shit's hot, it's too hot. I can only
Speaker 4: get a couple of them, ah like, and they pulled
Speaker 4: their hand away.
Speaker 3: They charged a cup. This is somebody's lighter.
Speaker 2: They was about to go on a smoke break and
Speaker 2: it was like, hey, Martinez, we toast these marshmallows.
Speaker 4: You know how much they charge for that ship.
Speaker 3: Way too much.
Speaker 2: Oh and these are the ribs, this black pile in
Speaker 2: the corner, my lamb chop.
Speaker 3: It looks like they made my girl crispy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like a maple syrup candy or something
Speaker 4: like something some old people ship where they're like, it's
Speaker 4: like maple syrup candy.
Speaker 3: It's like somebody who never cleans out the bottom of
Speaker 3: their air fryer.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, and then they just formed that yeah,
Speaker 4: and they're like, look, I can make it shape into
Speaker 4: a lamb chop.
Speaker 2: Right, y'all, clean up about your air fryer. That's why
Speaker 2: I'm smoking and smells weird. This isn't from personal experience.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 3: I got a little smoking one day.
Speaker 4: I was like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Crumbs down there?
Speaker 4: He kept pretty visual with that description, So I'm gonna
Speaker 4: guess I.
Speaker 3: Didn't look like that.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what.
Speaker 2: Anyways, last game scheme or real things sports betting and
Speaker 2: you know, back in the day, we had the bookies,
Speaker 2: where you know, you had a shady gangstuff who you
Speaker 2: would bet with. And now there's online betting where you
Speaker 2: can bet on sports games. You can bet on penalties.
Speaker 2: You can bet on how long a player is gonna play.
Speaker 2: You can bet on the weather, bet on children's games,
Speaker 2: you can bet on anything.
Speaker 4: Bet on George Santos being at the State of the Union.
Speaker 3: You can bet on who's gonna win elections.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do crazier stuff like love Island. Right
Speaker 4: now they're taking Act of Island, Like I got.
Speaker 3: A over under own cancy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But what do you think about sports betting in particular.
Speaker 4: It's definitely it's one of these vices that have become
Speaker 4: so turbo charged in the last few years. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: I know a lot. I grew up at around a
Speaker 4: lot of people that gambled, so to a certain a
Speaker 4: lot of people that do a lot of things. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: gambling was kind of seen as a normal thing. Knew
Speaker 4: a lot of people where it turned into degeneracy. And
Speaker 4: that's like the super fucked up art right now. It's
Speaker 4: basically a scheme. It's like one of these things that
Speaker 4: doesn't need more regulation, yes, and like but but but
Speaker 4: it's just it's sort of it's like alcohol and like
Speaker 4: other things that like these vices that kill people. You
Speaker 4: pay enough people in the government and just let it
Speaker 4: rip like I mean, it's like everything. It's like the crypto.
Speaker 4: There's there's so many forms of like legalized gambling now,
Speaker 4: but they're just massed in different ways in its soft market.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, one hundred percent, and now like with prediction markets.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of crazy because I think it also
Speaker 4: speaks to like how nihilistic people are about their own future,
Speaker 4: where rather than it feeling possible that like you could
Speaker 4: go to school, or like you could follow a passion
Speaker 4: and have that, you know, render the kinds of things
Speaker 4: results that you saw yourself having, like a home or whatever,
Speaker 4: that that feels so out of reach that it's easier
Speaker 4: to almost be like, fucking man, I'm gonna do this
Speaker 4: fucking four game parlay man if this ship hits so
Speaker 4: many problems, yeah yeah, yeah, don't kid. Yeah yeah. And
Speaker 4: it's crazy because you see a lot of people who
Speaker 4: are like, like, how do you think I got this
Speaker 4: lambo bro? Because I'm just I'm fucking killing it and
Speaker 4: blah blah blah dot com. So yeah, unfortunately, it's a
Speaker 4: it's just it's it's like a scheme. It's one of
Speaker 4: those things that's just there. Uh yeah, is it? But yeah,
Speaker 4: can you can you deny that like what it's doing
Speaker 4: to people. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: I would say it's a life ruining scheme and that
Speaker 2: it is really borderlighting on scams because some people who
Speaker 2: get lucky enough to actually win large sums of money,
Speaker 2: those apps will then delay your payment, try to find
Speaker 2: the loophole or try to like pay you slowly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like if you win like a lot of money, they'll
Speaker 2: just like give it to you.
Speaker 4: They'll find a way, saying right right.
Speaker 2: Also, if you've lost a bunch and they can clearly
Speaker 2: tell by the algorithm that you probably have an addiction
Speaker 2: based on your usage, how often you're checking it, and
Speaker 2: how much you're spending. So if that spending stops or
Speaker 2: drops off from the usual that they're taking from you,
Speaker 2: they'll start sending you coupons or like our little chips,
Speaker 2: Like they'll see me like, oh, now you have like
Speaker 2: this many free coins you can use on betting to
Speaker 2: like lure you back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, get the money flowing again. Yeah, So it's wild
Speaker 4: to see. Like how like I remember when a lot
Speaker 4: of the gambling sites were coming like having like huge
Speaker 4: presences in the US, Like all these people in the
Speaker 4: UK and Australia. They're like, get ready for what this
Speaker 4: thing is about to do, because pretty soon everything is
Speaker 4: going to be wall to wall gambling stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can gamble on anything now. And I think
Speaker 2: the rise of is one the smartphone and it being accessible.
Speaker 2: We don't have to go to Vegas, we don't have
Speaker 2: to call a shady booker anymore. You can just download
Speaker 2: an app on your phone. And also I think it
Speaker 2: speaks to the desperation of people in society right now.
Speaker 2: Is that, like, because we can't make money in an
Speaker 2: honest way that supports I don't want to just survive.
Speaker 2: I don't want a living wage. I want a thriving rage. Okay,
Speaker 2: I want to be able to go on vacation, have children.
Speaker 2: Like what you mean, I gotta we find to get
Speaker 2: enough money to survive, right, Like you know, like it
Speaker 2: should be to thrive.
Speaker 3: If you're working job, that job is necessary. All jobs
Speaker 3: are necessary.
Speaker 2: And even if you think your job is more important
Speaker 2: than the others, I'm pretty sure you can't do your
Speaker 2: job without a lot of the people that you look
Speaker 2: down on, the people who clean, people who do tech,
Speaker 2: people who do And I'm not saying that's a job
Speaker 2: that people look down. But any job that helps you
Speaker 2: function in your job is an important job, so they
Speaker 2: should all be paid fairly. But it's I think because
Speaker 2: of that, people are like, fuck it, I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: gamble and see if i can win.
Speaker 3: Big quickly, or I'm become an influencer.
Speaker 2: I saw a woman on TikTok yesterday who had made
Speaker 2: a viral TikTok about working in tech and being the
Speaker 2: manager and then figuring out that she realized that people
Speaker 2: were going to be off boarded aka fired if she
Speaker 2: had to start like working on their computers or like
Speaker 2: shutting down their addresses and emails or things like that,
Speaker 2: or their access to company stuff, and so they would
Speaker 2: never tell her why she was doing it. She started
Speaker 2: to realize they were got fired. So there was this one
Speaker 2: black woman who she really liked, and she's black as well.
Speaker 2: She told the lady like, hey, I just started shutting
Speaker 2: that yo shit says, I think they're about to get
Speaker 2: you up out of here.
Speaker 3: Just wanted to get you a head.
Speaker 2: She talks about this on TikTok, which I really need
Speaker 2: job to stop doing this. The job eventually finds her
Speaker 2: they let her go because the black woman that she
Speaker 2: peeped like she told the game too. Then was asking
Speaker 2: other people about their salaries because she had just gotten hired,
Speaker 2: and I guess was telling people her salary, and so
Speaker 2: that's why they fired the black women. That the it
Speaker 2: black woman was helping, but she not on Instagram or
Speaker 2: TikTok and told everybody and it went viral, and then
Speaker 2: that black woman got fired and now she's on TikTok
Speaker 2: talking about you know, this is just telling me this
Speaker 2: was really what I needed to start my social media career.
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep this going.
Speaker 2: Girl. It's it's like everybody says that everyone has one
Speaker 2: good book in them.
Speaker 3: You probably got one viral post. Does that do it for?
Speaker 4: There? It is there? It is no. But again, it's
Speaker 4: just because everything feels so upside down, Like people don't
Speaker 4: even chase achievements, right, it's like just the notoriety because
Speaker 4: it is an achievement. It's like, well, I was popping
Speaker 4: on Instagram TikTok for like three days. I did that.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, something happened to you posted in and
Speaker 4: that something happened for sure, But like.
Speaker 3: If a tree falls in the forest, if I didn't
Speaker 3: put it on a gram. Did it make us sound No,
Speaker 3: And you're lying because.
Speaker 4: You didn't put it, you didn't post it, wasn't you
Speaker 4: weren't even in the forest like that. Shut up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you hadn't even got miles to go.
Speaker 4: I saw your stories you were you were at Ralphs
Speaker 4: buying cheesecake factory bread.
Speaker 2: So I think it is like collectically reflecting that too
Speaker 2: as it grows in popularity.
Speaker 4: But so much nihil, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 4: It's just so yeah, like I told that, it's just
Speaker 4: one of these vices that people get so into. And
Speaker 4: again because like there's also so so much social media
Speaker 4: that's also telling people like this is how you should
Speaker 4: this is what you should have at this point in
Speaker 4: your life, and you live comparatively and then so these
Speaker 4: only things that feel like they can help you make
Speaker 4: these huge leaps are these like big gambles, like with yeah,
Speaker 4: insert any you know, unpredictable form of gambling here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go scam on this one, because like, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, the house always wins.
Speaker 3: Gambling wouldn't exist that the house didn't win, guys.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's just yeah, it's gonna be a good
Speaker 2: gambler to know when to leave.
Speaker 4: That's and you know I've I used to play a
Speaker 4: lot of blackjack, you know, every now and then.
Speaker 2: Maybe if you're long time listeners podcast, y'all know I
Speaker 2: love me. Some cras are your ships right now, the.
Speaker 4: House is gonna win. But there is just I can't
Speaker 4: help it. Sometimes I'm like.
Speaker 2: There's but I got to go to Vegas to gamble,
Speaker 2: and I look away when I've made made my return,
Speaker 2: you know, like I play, it's enough money to lose.
Speaker 2: I treated like a purchase and then run it up.
Speaker 2: And then once I got myself, once the table gets cold,
Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm not trying to revive the heat.
Speaker 3: I know what's up.
Speaker 4: It's a statistic.
Speaker 2: But like what I'm saying is like we used to
Speaker 2: have to go to a destination or you have to
Speaker 2: have shady plugs.
Speaker 3: To get involved and gambling.
Speaker 2: Now now you just go on the app store and
Speaker 2: you can ruin your life, your marriage, mortgage your home,
Speaker 2: you know, suspend.
Speaker 3: Your kids college fund. You have the comfort of your.
Speaker 4: Iphoneces no hand today.
Speaker 3: Not those Okay, the clip was lost that daddy ow's me.
Speaker 4: And those teeth they got character The car you got less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very much it. I agree with you, and
Speaker 2: it's just very scammy to me. But we're seeing the
Speaker 2: rise of it now, even more so because of the accessibility,
Speaker 2: also because of the desperation. And again this is my
Speaker 2: what once monthly reminder, y'all, if you got a job
Speaker 2: that is not an entertainment baby on the weekends, have.
Speaker 3: Your fun when you at the job house. I don't
Speaker 3: need to see no tiktoks of you.
Speaker 2: Okay, grow your business through word of mouth or if
Speaker 2: it's a business where you could show off the business,
Speaker 2: that's fine. But I don't want to see innocent customers,
Speaker 2: pedestrians anywhere in your feet. I don't want to see
Speaker 2: you dancing and you know at the hospice center, you know,
Speaker 2: like Grandma's gonna go to glory.
Speaker 4: Okay, wow, Wow, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: Your job and that's cool. Yeah, Dodor Miami, you're doing
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 2: You could give me up before and after picture like
Speaker 2: they used to do back in the day on the
Speaker 2: subway in New York.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't need to see on.
Speaker 4: People and they beleeve me.
Speaker 3: That's where he's like in the operation. What do you
Speaker 3: mean you're cutting on me all.
Speaker 4: Live content, okay, right.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the anesthesiologist goes from like you
Speaker 2: didn't need breakfast this morning?
Speaker 3: Rights, like you didn't need breakfast morning?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And your camera.
Speaker 4: Ready, yeah exactly, and then starts hitting like a Brazilian
Speaker 4: TikTok dance.
Speaker 3: Literally literally okay, all of a sudden, like you never
Speaker 3: take me to Bangla? Why is the flag?
Speaker 2: While why am I getting put under our music and
Speaker 2: operating room?
Speaker 4: Going up five, six.
Speaker 3: Six, seven, now count backwards from ten while you hit the.
Speaker 4: Yea yeah, oh threw the scalpel in the wood. Yeah,
Speaker 4: then me get that up, fish that up right. This
Speaker 4: is so much like please be for real.
Speaker 3: Run all right?
Speaker 2: Well that is a perfect segue into historic clutterings today,
Speaker 2: because we're gonna be talking a little bit about sports.
Speaker 2: Historic clisings is My favorite segment of the podcast is
Speaker 2: where I were Gale Miles with the famous Concaper group
Speaker 2: of criminals, a collapse of criminals.
Speaker 3: We don't know, maybe we love them, maybe we hate them.
Speaker 3: We'll see along the way.
Speaker 2: And this time it looks like we have a sports compilation.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk briefly about three little sports scams
Speaker 2: that have been in the Zeit Guy, some recent some
Speaker 2: I'm older. But we're gonna start this off with the
Speaker 2: La clipperst Maybe that's why they were in my head.
Speaker 2: Superstar Kawhi Leonard, who signed a secret twenty eight million
Speaker 2: dollar endorsement deal with a company he funded by the
Speaker 2: team's owner, Steve Balmer, as a way to pay Kawhi
Speaker 2: more than he should be allowed to get based on
Speaker 2: the NBA salary cap. We know this thanks to a
Speaker 2: seven month long investigation by Bablo Terray for his show
Speaker 2: Bobloterray finds out and he did find out. Now, Kawhi,
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, a black man getting more money, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not really mad right now.
Speaker 2: No, I see no issues, I have no qualms, so.
Speaker 4: Remember it game. I was like, so, I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: the issue is just like that you circum it's just
Speaker 4: the rule breaking. I was definitely like, I'm not going
Speaker 4: to be mad at Kawhi for being like, get me
Speaker 4: more fucking money.
Speaker 2: And I know that the rule is essentially there to
Speaker 2: make sure that no sports team could just dominate the
Speaker 2: league four years and years on end because they pay
Speaker 2: the most. Yeah, exactly keeps the game interesting in this respect.
Speaker 4: I understand the ABA this was this was that was
Speaker 4: a problem. You got so sloppy with.
Speaker 3: It because it happens so often. We know they're getting
Speaker 3: these deals.
Speaker 2: I love that the college students who are very good
Speaker 2: at their athletic sport are getting something on the side,
Speaker 2: because it's a damn shame that the NCAA is stealing
Speaker 2: from those kids because there's such a you know, risk
Speaker 2: playing college football and even or basketball, whatever college sport
Speaker 2: you're playing, that gets a lot of attention, the risk
Speaker 2: versus reward. They should be getting paid because they are
Speaker 2: adults and two, like y'all making a ton of money
Speaker 2: off of college sports. And three, if they get injured,
Speaker 2: then this is no longer a pathway for them to
Speaker 2: make revenue going forward, even though you got your cut.
Speaker 3: So those I'm not against.
Speaker 2: And even in the NBA, I don't give a damn
Speaker 2: if you get next your money, get y'all money, black man.
Speaker 2: But I understand it for the NBA of like not
Speaker 2: creating a dynasty team where we no one ever wins again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are the rules. And I think
Speaker 4: are you talking more about this story? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, So, so background on Kwhi and why this is
Speaker 2: a whole big deal. Kui is a two time NBA
Speaker 2: champion and six time All Star. Michael Jordan called him
Speaker 2: the best two way player in the NBA, meaning playing
Speaker 2: on offense and defense. Okay, go both ways period. Yes, birds,
Speaker 2: we love a birds first top. Yes, which can't be
Speaker 2: the same thing, but yes, it's like a It's like
Speaker 2: a rectangle in a square. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like a square. It can be a rectangle, but a
Speaker 2: rectangle is a rectangle. Yeah, but they are parallel, but
Speaker 2: they are parallelo grams. Okay, we're gonna give you this
Speaker 2: Jamuy lesson that they're not giving no more in school.
Speaker 3: Okay, but so you know he's a great player.
Speaker 2: The Clippers have famously never won an NBA championship, so
Speaker 2: in Kawai was a huge deal for them.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Steve, but are you a Clippers fans?
Speaker 4: Hell's famous?
Speaker 2: It was like, yes, So Steve Balmer currently owns the Clippers.
Speaker 2: He used to be the CEO of Microsoft, you know
Speaker 2: how you know Microsoft real well, and then you own
Speaker 2: the Clippers.
Speaker 3: Because like, once you're rich, you're a genius in every field.
Speaker 2: What you rich, everybody even average day citizens think that
Speaker 2: you are smarter than them because you have money.
Speaker 4: They're like, you know Bill Gates from the Epstein Files.
Speaker 2: Wow, so you must be amidst so genius because I
Speaker 2: was seeing that when Spencer Pratt was running a dumb ass,
Speaker 2: his dumbass around LA campaigning and districts that couldn't vote
Speaker 2: for him like a dumb bitch. He's gone, thank God.
Speaker 2: But I did notice that when I was like, why
Speaker 2: are people going to these poles? And I was laughing
Speaker 2: at them, like, you can't vote for the LAC there
Speaker 2: in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 4: I'm in Santa Monica and Spencer Pratt is not on
Speaker 4: my ballots district.
Speaker 3: You don't live in LA, baby, I A.
Speaker 2: You know, there were people in the commons who were like,
Speaker 2: I doubt that people from Beverly Hills would be that stupid.
Speaker 2: They're rich, like they know. I'm like, do you think
Speaker 2: money equals smart? Please stop, it's not. It's not an equivalent.
Speaker 2: But so Steve Bamber, this guy right here, who I
Speaker 2: never understand this ball community actually, like not even ball community.
Speaker 2: What would I call y'all like transition balls? Transition balls?
Speaker 2: Why are we holding on to that nap, but a
Speaker 2: neck hair.
Speaker 4: Oh that's some old white guys.
Speaker 2: What does that do for you? Like when you're calm
Speaker 2: in the back of your bald, how do you feel?
Speaker 4: That's called hanging on just because you keep me?
Speaker 3: But is it looking better than a full bald?
Speaker 4: Like it's a generational thing for men that age. They
Speaker 4: don't have They didn't have Michael Jordan, who was like, bro,
Speaker 4: you're not leaving that ship on.
Speaker 2: You have to have the right kind of head and
Speaker 2: a little bit of melanin for a good bald, otherwise
Speaker 2: you look like super Miller. So I said, if you're
Speaker 2: a paler in the community, a bald might be hard.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if this like wrap around.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah it does.
Speaker 3: You put a headband on the back of your neck.
Speaker 4: And then just brought it brought it up like half
Speaker 4: a headband. He really taped on.
Speaker 2: Right, let it go, baby, like Elsa said, because what
Speaker 2: are y'all doing? So this is Steve Balmer. He looks
Speaker 2: like he's just a genius.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: He's known for being really sweaty. I could see that
Speaker 2: in this picture. I don't know what action he's doing,
Speaker 2: but there's a desk and a Microsoft cup. It seems
Speaker 2: like he's one of those rich guys talk.
Speaker 4: Very famous clip of him introducing like a new Microsoft product,
Speaker 4: and he's just screaming across the stage, sweating through his shit.
Speaker 2: So he says the word developers a lot, which you know,
Speaker 2: I love somebody who just uses like Sinicon, Valley Lake,
Speaker 2: just jargon all the time. Okay, give me some of
Speaker 2: that in the red in the black future earning synergy,
Speaker 2: you know, syenergy.
Speaker 3: Gotta have synergy, babes.
Speaker 4: Okay, gotta have synergy. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Give me all the buzz words. Okay, are you disrupting?
Speaker 2: Be a disruptor?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I mean when it developer is a gig
Speaker 4: you know like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are legitimate people who do these things. It's
Speaker 2: just the people who throw around the words so much.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you scamming, because why are you throwing all
Speaker 2: these words? I mean, can you if you can't explain
Speaker 2: to me like I'm five, I know it's a crime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna explain like I believe you have the
Speaker 4: intellect of a five year old and trying to say
Speaker 4: all this shit to.
Speaker 2: You, I'm just throwing words that you are you supposed
Speaker 2: to be a press don't ask no questions?
Speaker 4: Yeah, how many terror flop? You know how many terrorflaps
Speaker 4: that's running?
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, we'reizing disruption right now. You don't even
Speaker 2: know disruption in acinerators at.
Speaker 4: Leastes infinite growth. Bitch again, what do you call me? Bitch?
Speaker 3: It's just adds a little season there.
Speaker 2: He's also the eighth richest person in the world, and
Speaker 2: you can tell that by looking at him for sure.
Speaker 3: I'm my y'all when y'all see him, it's giving Cole's dad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's true. Like you don't give it at
Speaker 4: that point. You're like, Bro, what the fuck do I need?
Speaker 2: And I don't even mind that you have to be
Speaker 2: a fashion girly just because you have money. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: I just know if you're that rich, I promise you
Speaker 2: these closed in comfortable box store.
Speaker 3: So you tell them you spend it, like one thousand
Speaker 3: dollars on the ugliest T shirt.
Speaker 4: That's like, yeah, you know it's but down. You know doctors, Well,
Speaker 4: that's a three thousand dollars version of.
Speaker 3: Them that I'm ware like, you look like a server
Speaker 3: at Long Horror Ranch. My guy, why do we have
Speaker 3: this plat on what's happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: So when your net.
Speaker 2: Worth is like one hundred and fifty five billion, it's
Speaker 2: gotta be frustrating when people say you can't spend money
Speaker 2: on something. But the NBA salary cap limits the total
Speaker 2: amount of money, and NBA team can pay all of
Speaker 2: their players to a combined one hundred and fifty four million,
Speaker 2: So Steve actually isn't allowed to pay his players more
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 3: Even if he really wants to.
Speaker 2: Now we know which people are famous for wanting to
Speaker 2: pay people more. No, there's obviously an advantage in it
Speaker 2: for him to be able to lock down talented players
Speaker 2: at this bummy ass team. Sorry, Clippers fans, y'all know
Speaker 2: what lost feels like. I'm a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 3: I'm with y'all. We've been losing all the time.
Speaker 4: Do you have a basketball team Maverick I I fuck no,
Speaker 4: I fucking hate the Mavericks.
Speaker 3: I'm actually like, you're fan.
Speaker 2: Wow, good for you before i't like, So there you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let them know, let them know. Yeah, all the
Speaker 4: Clippers fans that you just upset with that they're gonna
Speaker 4: come for yours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we was never checking for y'all.
Speaker 2: But I'm a Knicks fan right now because after they
Speaker 2: won the championship, we're all you out there.
Speaker 4: So I did.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Mama's mom Donny stand this
Speaker 2: weekend and I'm gonna tear it up.
Speaker 3: Can't wait to be with my mayor.
Speaker 4: Period.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to meet I'm trying to find them. I
Speaker 2: know he's gonna be at one of them June teeth Parraides. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: trying to meet my mayor.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: SOA's truck right now guarantees some fifty million per season,
Speaker 2: which is about a third of the total salary budget
Speaker 2: for the team. So a third of the budget is
Speaker 2: going to one guy, Kawhi Leonard. At this point, they're
Speaker 2: paying him more than anybody, right, which made the other
Speaker 2: guys feel bad, which is what Steve did. So Steve
Speaker 2: is remember our ex Microsoft sweaty guy and now sweats
Speaker 2: at the Clippers. So Pablo found that Steve, So Pablo
Speaker 2: is our nosy, messy investigator who is gonna give us
Speaker 2: the tea. He found out that Steve made a fifty
Speaker 2: million dollar personal investment in a green bank. And this
Speaker 2: company is called Aspiration. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I want my bank to be talking about aspiration.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, like let's let's be achieving things. Yeah, are
Speaker 4: you aspiring to be.
Speaker 2: Achiement bank is given that I'm on red in my
Speaker 2: bank account.
Speaker 3: It's given over draft fees.
Speaker 2: I want achievement, yeah, inspiration yeah yeah, success yeah right
Speaker 2: right right right?
Speaker 4: You want to wish.
Speaker 2: Factor, Yeah I don't want to. I'll bank it imagination imagination.
Speaker 4: Bank exactly, yeah, yeah, exactly, make a wish bank.
Speaker 2: And then disclaimer says, we hope we're covered by the
Speaker 2: fd I sed So I don't know if they are,
Speaker 2: because it's like, yeah, hopefully we are.
Speaker 4: It's his FDIC inshirt. Yeah, hold on, let me get
Speaker 4: back to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah probably maybe wow.
Speaker 4: And they wrote all that out.
Speaker 2: Maybe definitely, so they got to ask. They got a
Speaker 2: little aspiration ad here. It's very simple. It says with
Speaker 2: a with a racially ambiguous manhand. It says save money,
Speaker 2: come up, save the planet, aspiration, and it's got the
Speaker 2: app up and the little aspiration card. I will never
Speaker 2: understand why fake banks always have the most bootleg looking card.
Speaker 2: Just make it look like other bank cards too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go in you know, like I'm
Speaker 2: at the doctor's appointment. I got to pull out my
Speaker 2: gift card, looking ass bank card.
Speaker 4: They're like, what is this from David Busters? Yeah no, no,
Speaker 4: this is a new bank. I'm with, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: What is it called? It's called Preschool Player Player Preschool
Speaker 4: Player Bank. What is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, it's called Martha Marlborough Lights.
Speaker 4: They got a bank.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, they got a bank now and they have planes.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So what can't Marbor have a bank? What
Speaker 2: can they sponsor my ATM car bank with America Spirit?
Speaker 4: They want Washington Mutual. They're like, they don't exist anymore. Well,
Speaker 4: they got like one left.
Speaker 3: They got Yeah, they got a little it's like more
Speaker 3: of a pop up bank.
Speaker 4: You should look out check their twitter.
Speaker 3: It might be I have to go on their Twitter
Speaker 3: to see when I can draw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes it's in another state. It's kind of.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: He even partnered this is our our stever our Steve.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna calls campus scamma scammer, but Steve O scammer Stever.
Speaker 2: He partnered with the company to build uh the Inuit
Speaker 2: Dome for the Clippers to put it into it.
Speaker 3: Why not say Inuit, that's bank there's a cursor in
Speaker 3: the middle. I'm gonna fan myself. I'm gonna blame Joe
Speaker 3: over and not whatnot, but into into a dome that
Speaker 3: start moving the cursor around. Now, Joe, are you're funny? Okay?
Speaker 2: So, behind the scenes, Aspiration gave Kawhi a twenty eight
Speaker 2: million dollar endorsement deal, paying him to market the company,
Speaker 2: which is interesting because he never did any marketing and
Speaker 2: certainly did not mention the partnership. Aspiration employees said it
Speaker 2: was a no show job for ballmerst that's our Steve
Speaker 2: guy to get around the salary cap and play Kawhi
Speaker 2: an extra twenty eight million. Aspiration co founder Joe Sandberg
Speaker 2: recently pleaded guilty to defrauding investors, and Pablo has evidence
Speaker 2: that Steve and Joe from into it the stadium building
Speaker 2: were on good terms well after the fraud took place.
Speaker 2: Steve quietly donated another one point eight seventy five million
Speaker 2: to Joe's charity more than a year after the Clippers
Speaker 2: ended their partnership with Aspirations. So even though Aspiration went down,
Speaker 2: he was like, I ain't even know nothing about that,
Speaker 2: but you still cool.
Speaker 3: Joe. At the one point eight million.
Speaker 4: Can you can you just slide that to coir real quick?
Speaker 4: Because it's crazy too, Like the amounts that Pablo finds
Speaker 4: out in the investigation, they're like they're just nearly exact,
Speaker 4: the exact amounts that were being paid through Aspiration to
Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 2: So they even try to clean up the paper trail.
Speaker 2: Why you couldn't have done one like commercial.
Speaker 4: For Inspiration, No, not one, not one. And the other
Speaker 4: thing too is like the like the actual the lack
Speaker 4: of work that was being done that like on Kauhi's part,
Speaker 4: Like you couldn't even post something like just a lazy post.
Speaker 2: There's nothing, Like they couldn't even got you for that
Speaker 2: trash ass little image that they put up with Aspiration.
Speaker 2: It could have been your black ass hants holding the
Speaker 2: phone and then the bootleg ass gets par You couldn't
Speaker 2: do that. You couldn't get on Instagram and be like,
Speaker 2: I only trust Aspiration with my banking when it comes
Speaker 2: to bottle service, I always know my check clears, Like
Speaker 2: what the hell the Aspiration right?
Speaker 4: But no, he couldn't he could have even done a
Speaker 4: post like where they just have a like his roster
Speaker 4: photo with just some text on him like here, man,
Speaker 4: can you just post session on your stories? Bro, We're
Speaker 4: giving you millions of dollars.
Speaker 3: Just just do that, right, yes, gone in twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And at least you could say you're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I did ship for them. That's what they just paid.
Speaker 4: That's what I charge. It's crazy too because his uncle
Speaker 4: is like such a big part of his deal making too.
Speaker 4: Like his uncle Dennis is was like the Dennis yeah
Speaker 4: finds the one like he's known like in the league
Speaker 4: for as being like, we need to get some more
Speaker 4: money to kawhi h and like always trying to figure
Speaker 4: out ways to get more money for his nephew.
Speaker 3: We all need to Uncle Dennis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come clocking my job.
Speaker 3: Hey, my mu's gas more money for her job.
Speaker 4: Thank you for this.
Speaker 2: And now the last time a team tried to do
Speaker 2: this was in the nineties. It was the Minnesota Timbleroopes Wolves,
Speaker 2: and they were doing it on behalf of Joe Smith,
Speaker 2: that player. And in that instance, the Timberwolves were deilt
Speaker 2: heavy fines, multiple suspensions, and forfeited first round draft picks.
Speaker 2: And that may not have been anywhere near the scale
Speaker 2: of what the Clipper have been a list to be doing.
Speaker 2: They want to bove and be on to make sure
Speaker 2: that Kawhi was making more money than he legally was
Speaker 2: supposed to be paid.
Speaker 3: Right, and still they haven't won a championship.
Speaker 4: After all that look at you?
Speaker 2: So Kawhid made it a response video, so now he's
Speaker 2: trying to you know, everybody's got to do the response videos.
Speaker 2: I wonder what it must feel like when you're planning
Speaker 2: your response video and you're like, okay, we gotta.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: You gotta do some environment where you don't look too rich.
Speaker 2: Let's get like a white wall, maybe one plant in
Speaker 2: the background. You know, don't wear no nice clothes if
Speaker 2: you're a woman, or you or you wear makeup in general.
Speaker 2: Give yourself a light beat so it looks natural, you know,
Speaker 2: and like you just fresh off a crying.
Speaker 4: Put the eyeglasses on if you have eye put some
Speaker 4: put eyeglasses on.
Speaker 2: You have to take you have to put glasses on
Speaker 2: so that people can't really tell us good when you
Speaker 2: lie in Yeah you know what I mean, they can't
Speaker 2: see the eyd darts from the glares.
Speaker 4: Well, that person wearing glasses, why would they lie?
Speaker 2: I never seen them in glasses they got twenty third
Speaker 2: vision twenty to twenty now, so I love people are
Speaker 2: making me dumber.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, he need do none of that. So
Speaker 3: here's the response, Udio. We're gonna watch a little bit
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: I understand that full contract and the services that I
Speaker 1: had to do. Like I said, I don't do a
Speaker 1: deal with the conspiracies or the clickbait analysts or journalism
Speaker 1: that's going on. So that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the allegation was that that you didn't
Speaker 2: perform an these services for them.
Speaker 1: Is that accurate or did you do? It's accurate, but
Speaker 1: it's old. It is. This is all new to you guys.
Speaker 1: The company went bankrupt a while ago, so we already
Speaker 1: knew that this.
Speaker 4: Was going to happen.
Speaker 2: So so Kawhi made this response video and he kind
Speaker 2: of dis this Pablo too, calling this conspiracies and click baits.
Speaker 2: So he was saying, Pablo made this all up in
Speaker 2: his head. Honestly, I kind of understand why he came
Speaker 2: out of this, Pablo, because Pablo, this ain't none of
Speaker 2: your damn business. Like Pablo, you care, But Againlo is
Speaker 2: a hater and I always say on the show, why
Speaker 2: the hater job. If you are a hater, channel your hate.
Speaker 2: Don't use it on your friends, your loved ones, general
Speaker 2: people in the public. Channel your hate into a profession.
Speaker 2: So Pablo has done that. He has a hater profession.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. He want to pull it, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all investigative journalism is is haters for a purpose.
Speaker 2: And I love that for them because I do want
Speaker 2: these things to be saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need but you need that a little bit
Speaker 4: in you to keep digging, to keep going spirit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to pray to the altar of fifty
Speaker 2: right and be be a true like unmitigated twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven hater, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And you have to have creativity to be a hater.
Speaker 2: If you're a hater and you just post negativehit about
Speaker 2: people online, you ain't a real hater. You need to
Speaker 2: give it up because you're not in the hater league.
Speaker 4: You're just upset.
Speaker 3: I want people.
Speaker 2: Who go through all the social media, including the tag photos,
Speaker 2: then go through everybody they follow and see what they
Speaker 2: connection to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want somebody looking at your Venmo history.
Speaker 2: I want somebody who somehow got access to your Ralph's
Speaker 2: store card, membership and knows what you're purchasing in average
Speaker 2: Why yes, who hates super duper hard right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like your superhero amount that Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that guy who tracked all of Taylor Swift's
Speaker 2: private jet.
Speaker 4: Flights right right right, right right right, Like you gotta
Speaker 4: be really in the Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out.
Speaker 3: To popular but obviously is trying to deflect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and also like I get it too, Like what
Speaker 4: are you gonna say, like, yeah, we were working around,
Speaker 4: I was getting extra money on the side, Like what
Speaker 4: do you mean to do? Yeah, because that would be
Speaker 4: the version. I'm like, yeah, bro, what I mean honestly,
Speaker 4: I was just stealing it from somebody, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. But yeah, it's breaking the rule and I
Speaker 4: get that.
Speaker 2: But also Coel Investigation, you ain't gonna catch my black ass.
Speaker 2: I'm like talking about ship. If I'm nowhere near, You're
Speaker 2: not gonna catch because what if you slip up? What
Speaker 2: do you say something that you're not saying?
Speaker 4: Still, lawyer, go over play dumb.
Speaker 2: I would have been like, all I know is my
Speaker 2: checks get cash. I don't know where that money coming from.
Speaker 3: Show up to do my job.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm going through a lot right now, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, just just all Yeah, that's what you say.
Speaker 2: It almost doesn't mean anything anymore. When people are like,
Speaker 2: I'm going through so much. I'm like, babes, I think
Speaker 2: that's just our lives now. Everyone's going through a lot.
Speaker 4: We all are welcome to earth, and.
Speaker 2: I think we all need to start acting accordingly. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's true, go straight to anger. Just know that their
Speaker 2: life is probably worse than yours.
Speaker 4: Everybody's fucked up right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's get that in mind.
Speaker 2: So you know, we've had other sports stories from the past,
Speaker 2: deerroid scams, things like that. In twenty fifteen, it was
Speaker 2: a big year for the New England Patriots because Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick's current girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, turned fourteen.
Speaker 4: You're gonna say some shit like that, like what the fuck.
Speaker 2: It's also the year of that famous deflate gate where
Speaker 2: they deflated the ball.
Speaker 3: You know, it's sports.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a little bit born after nine to
Speaker 4: eleven or before an island by just a couple months away.
Speaker 2: Wonder, Oh wow, if she was fourteen and twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4: She on no one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she definitely doesn't remember it. She never knew a
Speaker 2: world with the Twin Towers. Never know Mary Kay or
Speaker 2: Ashley Damn.
Speaker 4: She didn't know brother for sale. Nah Now April third,
Speaker 4: two thousand and one. Okay, so she was alive since
Speaker 4: it as an you were you were five months and
Speaker 4: eight days old. You knew someone was wrong.
Speaker 3: You were here. You were here.
Speaker 2: So, like, there's been things like this that happened all
Speaker 2: the time, right, and with the deflate Gate, you know,
Speaker 2: we heard of William Douglas Street truly one of the
Speaker 2: wildest sports scammers to ever do it. This dude pretended
Speaker 2: to be everyone but himself his whole life for human
Speaker 2: like from a human rights lawyer to a surgeon, to
Speaker 2: a white Yale student, and for one very memorable spring
Speaker 2: training in nineteen seventy one, he pretended to be a
Speaker 2: football player Jerry Levas. So I've been moving on from
Speaker 2: sketchy ass Patriots and Tom Brady and the flake.
Speaker 3: Gate and Kawhi and his last being the best hater ever.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about one more sports sports scheme scam
Speaker 2: that's been in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 3: And because like we've all heard of.
Speaker 2: Defla Kate, right, but none of us have heard of
Speaker 2: William Douglas Street, and he's truly one of the wildest
Speaker 2: sports scammers to ever do it.
Speaker 3: This dude pretended to.
Speaker 2: Be everyone but himself his whole life, from a human
Speaker 2: rights lawyer to a surgeon, to a white student at Yale,
Speaker 2: and for one very memorable spring training season in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy one, he pretended to be a football player. Jerry
Speaker 2: Levias on the Houston Oilers, I want to point out Williams,
Speaker 2: why were you pretending to be a surgeon and how
Speaker 2: does that work out for you?
Speaker 3: Like, because people do it on people.
Speaker 4: I mean he had to just be doing it to
Speaker 4: like get through the doors or something.
Speaker 2: Right, there's no telling people he's a surgeon in nobody's
Speaker 2: hospital and white Yell student. The white is important because
Speaker 2: this man is black as hell.
Speaker 4: He didn't show up being like that's me.
Speaker 2: No, No, he couldn't have pretended to show up in person,
Speaker 2: because once we see a black ass.
Speaker 4: We do want to be like, hold on, no, we
Speaker 4: can't come.
Speaker 2: Out as black. Nobody comes out in the black closet.
Speaker 2: We know where we see that type. Strong as ham.
Speaker 2: You could be light white, you could be having hair
Speaker 2: that doesn't reflect African American hairitectures.
Speaker 3: I can still tell them a little bit black. They're
Speaker 3: just by looking at.
Speaker 4: Joe Face and Jerry Levias though that name is un
Speaker 4: that feels like such a scammer name. Yeah, I'm Jerry Levas.
Speaker 2: So right now, Myles, we're looking at a photo of
Speaker 2: the actual Jerry Levas and compared to the photo of
Speaker 2: William pretending to be him, Jerry.
Speaker 3: Looks like a football player, like he's meaty, he got
Speaker 3: a thick neck.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Then I was gonna say that when your neck
Speaker 4: is like, you know how, like you can see somebody
Speaker 4: and the width of their head is not the same
Speaker 4: as their neck. He's got the thing where he's like
Speaker 4: a thumb, you know what I mean, like when.
Speaker 2: Your loaves touch your neck, Like when it's all the same. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like he got like a cylinder from the neck
Speaker 2: up to the head. It's all the same circumference.
Speaker 4: Right, Why don't you.
Speaker 3: Why did you?
Speaker 2: I'm a tree today, guys you But yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: it goes all the way down here. Yeah, big, go ahead,
Speaker 2: and the thick ass nick I know his next jong
Speaker 2: you probably can lift all types of shit with that.
Speaker 3: Nick. I think he could toll a car just put
Speaker 3: the thing around his neck.
Speaker 4: And it's a hard I gotta say, when you see
Speaker 4: somebody like this, you're like, yeah, that's a football player.
Speaker 4: It's hard to pretend you're a football player. And because
Speaker 4: you also need to have your neck as thick, you
Speaker 4: come in with that little floppy ass neck. No, they're
Speaker 4: gonna know, they're gonna.
Speaker 3: And it's so clear in the photos that William ain't
Speaker 3: done a neck up. He ain't shin up.
Speaker 2: He ain't never put a barbelle on the back of
Speaker 2: that neck and started working that neck out.
Speaker 4: But that stop on his head just lifted forty five fleet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 4: he ain't Nick Mexan. No, so.
Speaker 3: Minie, he's Nick Minny. Oh thin ass neck.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how they didn't notice that one
Speaker 2: man looks like a football player and the other one
Speaker 2: definitely is a necklace pedestrian.
Speaker 4: I wonder if they're just like, oh, maybe he's sick
Speaker 4: or something. Yeah that.
Speaker 3: Helps. They were like, he's y'all, so.
Speaker 4: He definitely play it. They could have just been the angle.
Speaker 4: You'd already know. He's probably faster than the daylights. Right.
Speaker 2: That's like me showing up looking like whis Khalifah talk
Speaker 2: about I'm about to be a running back. I'm about
Speaker 2: to be a linebacker. Yeah, put me a defensive line.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, bro, you will die.
Speaker 3: You will die.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, in practice and make it no.
Speaker 2: So yes, I don't know how he got away with
Speaker 2: this so long, but I'm just gonna blame it on
Speaker 2: the white days, which for him worked out this time.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So you know, see, this is why.
Speaker 2: Y'all should be Everybody needs to be tolerant and open
Speaker 2: and maybe hang around more people of color, because then
Speaker 2: you would have known that this was not the negro
Speaker 2: you wanted.
Speaker 4: No, these are not this is not him.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: William was born in Detroit and he went to college
Speaker 2: for two years before beginning his sports specific scamming career
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty nine when he impersonated his way into
Speaker 2: tryouts for the Boston Red Sox, and then he spent
Speaker 2: the next year, and then the next year he returned
Speaker 2: impersonating a Time magazine reporter doing a story on the team.
Speaker 2: So first he came in and he pretended that like
Speaker 2: he was gonna be on the Boston Red Slits.
Speaker 3: He don't got to know, and that didn't work out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, are you wearing the same hat he is
Speaker 2: in this photo?
Speaker 4: I am wearing a Detroit Tiger's hat, which is kind
Speaker 4: of wild. Yeah, yeah, but this one has this for
Speaker 4: Jay Dillon because he's from Detroit. But yeah, I was
Speaker 4: like when I'm like, I have a Detroit hat on.
Speaker 3: So I love that he tried out one year and
Speaker 3: then he came back the next year and was like,
Speaker 3: I've ever pulled up.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. They're like, bro, ain't the fucking guy who
Speaker 4: tried to Who.
Speaker 3: Is a different guy? I remember you look alike.
Speaker 4: You swung the bat and you spun around like a
Speaker 4: cartoon when you when you struck out, everyone remember then
Speaker 4: your pants fell down.
Speaker 2: That's that you were hooting a hollow and we know
Speaker 2: exactly magazine nose, What are you.
Speaker 3: Talking like that? It's not the twenties now.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was just doing anything and everything right.
Speaker 2: So the Red Sox even caught William trying to order
Speaker 2: a world series ring under Boston pr director Bill Crowley's name,
Speaker 2: with the order to ship it to a resident in Detroit.
Speaker 2: The Red Sox hadn't won the World Series since nineteen eighteen,
Speaker 2: so he's also trying to get mobilia from what he's
Speaker 2: doing with like he's just I don't understand his motivation
Speaker 2: this particular sports scammer, like I understand with Kawhi. He
Speaker 2: was trying to get a bag and he didn't care
Speaker 2: where that bag came from. And Steve just didn't care
Speaker 2: about making it look legit. So that makes sense. This guy,
Speaker 2: I don't really know what his motivation is and scamming
Speaker 2: in sports, but it's interesting.
Speaker 4: He must just get a high from it, because it's
Speaker 4: not like calculating to the point where you're like, oh
Speaker 4: that slick, like you tried out for a team, you
Speaker 4: didn't make it, and then you came back to that
Speaker 4: team the next year pretending as a fake reporter, Like
Speaker 4: that's crazy. Why are you going back to the same
Speaker 4: crime scene like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't know the team. It's plenty of baseball teams.
Speaker 4: It's like I didn't make the team. Hold On just
Speaker 4: puts a different outfit on. He's like, hey man, my
Speaker 4: name's Jerry Leviathan, not me here to try out.
Speaker 2: He threw on a wig and he had a new profession.
Speaker 2: And honestly, I'm not mad at that, Like.
Speaker 4: I would tell you you just turned your back.
Speaker 2: I was working on a show once and we It
Speaker 2: was in a place that just started Their film ministry
Speaker 2: had just started booming, so they didn't really have a
Speaker 2: lot of professionals in film working there, so a lot
Speaker 2: of people you can tell just lying on their resumes.
Speaker 2: And we had this one lady who was like an
Speaker 2: animal handler. And one day we walked outside and she was,
Speaker 2: I kid you not, Miles. She was fist fighting this
Speaker 2: raccoon that would us. She was boxing with this.
Speaker 3: Raccoon, giving the raccoon a one in the two.
Speaker 2: And then we were like, hey, are you supposed to
Speaker 2: be like punching in like that, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a part of the training. We were like, okay, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: yeah for sure, and then I kid you out. The
Speaker 2: next day, I came in and I went to the
Speaker 2: like a little snack cart to get a lettuce wrap sandwich.
Speaker 2: So I go up to make my order and guess
Speaker 2: who turns around The raccoon lady.
Speaker 3: Now she make a.
Speaker 2: Sandwich is on set No, So I feel like whatever
Speaker 2: entrepreneurial spirit William has, that raccoon lady has the same one.
Speaker 2: She said, throw a wee go and make him feel
Speaker 2: like she did come back to the same job. Now
Speaker 2: I'm make saying what you want, what you want your sandwich,
Speaker 2: but not raccoon. You don't know, right, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: And all this time that William was pretending to be
Speaker 2: Jerry Levas right. For the Oilers, Jerry Lebias is a
Speaker 2: real athlete. He's the first black football player in the
Speaker 2: Southwest Conference for college football. Who's now a pro player
Speaker 2: for who's now like a poor player for the Houston Oilers.
Speaker 4: Oh so February. Yeah, so he was impersonating an actual
Speaker 4: Oilagues player.
Speaker 3: I know that name sounded familiar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, that's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so in nineteen seventy one, in February, Oilers fans
Speaker 2: were surprised and disappointed to reading local papers that Jerry
Speaker 2: had decided he was done playing football. He didn't like
Speaker 2: Houston or the team, and he wanted to try out
Speaker 2: for the Detroit Tigers baseball team. So he pulled Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: It's like, I never mind, I want to play baseball.
Speaker 2: So he went to their spring training camp in Florida.
Speaker 2: The Tigers wrote a press release announcing the football star's
Speaker 2: presence at their training camp. The team looked at the
Speaker 2: man who wore dark sunglasses around team facilities and got
Speaker 2: him a pair of new shoes. They gave him a
Speaker 2: tie's cap and invited him to the press to take photos.
Speaker 3: But that wasn't Jerry, so he wore.
Speaker 2: Sunglasses to pretend that he was Jerry Lebias, Like while
Speaker 2: he's trying to get on this new team.
Speaker 4: So he just puts so his Disguy's just like, okay,
Speaker 4: what up with these sunglasses?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can't tell black people apart. And you know,
Speaker 3: this is the seventies, so we're not chronically online seeing
Speaker 3: people's faces so much we can recognize if.
Speaker 4: It's them or not. This was such a beautiful time
Speaker 4: to be a con artist.
Speaker 2: If you were a doppelganger of anyone famous, I really
Speaker 2: hope you had thought.
Speaker 4: My grandfather was Bill Cosby.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, and I was starting a time where
Speaker 3: he that name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was this was like in the This was
Speaker 4: like the early seventies and ship and my dad used
Speaker 4: to say they would go out and all these like
Speaker 4: white matre D's like because they were you know, they
Speaker 4: would go out sometimes. My grandpa was like hustling and shit,
Speaker 4: he wanted to go out for a nice dinner. And
Speaker 4: these white matre D's would be like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: mister Cosby, and he just would he said the second
Speaker 4: time it happened, my grandfather just stopped disagreeing. He's like,
Speaker 4: if these white people think I'm Bill Cosby and they're
Speaker 4: gonna pay for most of this meal, if not all
Speaker 4: of it, then fuck you. I'm Bill Cosby and I don't.
Speaker 3: Know they're gonna treat me well.
Speaker 4: And I've never said and he always told me. I
Speaker 4: was like, and you said you're Bill Cosby? Was like
Speaker 4: hell no. They just were like, hey, mister Cosby, and
Speaker 4: I was just like, yeah, yeah, hey bucket, yeah, beautiful
Speaker 4: guy to send you a picture, because like he looks
Speaker 4: like an off brand. Like to a white person you
Speaker 4: would be like, that's Bill Cosby. And in the context
Speaker 4: you're like, well, the only britch black person who would
Speaker 4: come in here, right, I have to be Bill Cosby,
Speaker 4: so therefore you are Bill Cosby.
Speaker 3: They put all that together, and that's exactly what they do.
Speaker 2: I'm in first class on the plane and turned around
Speaker 2: and asked like, like the seat person behind me, because
Speaker 2: I had a window aisle, if it was okay if
Speaker 2: I turned one of the air things off because it
Speaker 2: was getting a little chilly, and they're like, yeah, you're cool.
Speaker 2: The only thing I spoke to this man? Tell me
Speaker 2: why it was a red Eye? Why go up to
Speaker 2: good my food? Because I follow asleep. All they're doing
Speaker 2: dinner service and Red Eyes they don't play. They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you sleep, We can talk to you the whole flight
Speaker 2: because we so I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Get my food.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh my god, I am so sorry. We
Speaker 3: did not get you your food.
Speaker 2: You're Jada Kiss's girlfriend, right, Data Kiss was sitting behind
Speaker 2: me and they're like, you're black. You're in this expensive
Speaker 2: first class Jada must be Jada Kiss's girlfriend.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Ja to the Why right?
Speaker 3: You saw me interact with this man one time. It
Speaker 3: was very brief and that's your deduction.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's so funny.
Speaker 3: I ain't even get it out of my seat. I
Speaker 3: turned around.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, right exactly. They do that.
Speaker 2: So they gave him a Tiger's cap and they you know,
Speaker 2: invited him to take photos. But that wasn't Jerry, it
Speaker 2: was William. William had called the Tiger's outfielder Gates Brown
Speaker 2: and this is one You could also get people's numbers
Speaker 2: so easily.
Speaker 3: We sent a book of everybod's cell phone number.
Speaker 4: Couldn't you operator? You're like operator Gates Brown, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 3: We used to put our addresses in a big ass book.
Speaker 4: That is crazy.
Speaker 3: You used to be able to just look and find
Speaker 3: where somebody lived at.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so William had called the Tiger's outfielder Gates Brown
Speaker 2: and told he was coming to spring training. He also
Speaker 2: asked to borrow three hundred dollars from Gates when he
Speaker 2: said he needed to get married what and he would
Speaker 2: pay him back. Gates bought it, and so did everyone
Speaker 2: else on the team for at least few days.
Speaker 3: So he came in and he was like, hey, Gates,
Speaker 3: I'm getting married. Can you give me three hundred dollars?
Speaker 4: Wow? Sure, he's he this guy is living off the thrill.
Speaker 4: He's like, fuck, yeah, bro, I got Gates Brown thinking
Speaker 4: I'm somebody else. Yeah, ma, let me get three hundred.
Speaker 2: I'm getting married seventy three hundred dollars. Yeah, So seventy
Speaker 2: three hundred dollars can make some shake.
Speaker 4: That's probably like what two grand now? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Tigers put William and Jerry through a forty
Speaker 2: minute spring training workout, and the jig was up pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: William didn't know how to grip or throw a baseball
Speaker 2: bo bill, and he couldn't run sprints.
Speaker 3: One of the.
Speaker 2: Tiger's pictures had seen the Oils play in Texas and
Speaker 2: he knew Jerry Levias.
Speaker 3: When it happened William was throwing with his right hand.
Speaker 2: I would have admitted he wasn't Jerry Lebias because the
Speaker 2: real identity he gave was also made up, so like,
Speaker 2: not only is he not Jerry, he's saying he not
Speaker 2: the other guy he was pretended to be, because the
Speaker 2: jig was up when he was throwing with his right hand,
Speaker 2: And that's not how Jerry.
Speaker 4: That's just even crazy that you're so unathletic too, and
Speaker 4: you're trying to pretend to be an athlete.
Speaker 3: Here behind all the other baseball players hoofing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, up sprint. You don't know how to you can't
Speaker 4: even fake it, like, ah, I think I pulled some
Speaker 4: Like you're just like, yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a pulled hammy.
Speaker 2: Also like looking up, everybody can run, And I would
Speaker 2: assume if you are trying to pretend that you're an athlete,
Speaker 2: you would at least be, you know, working out a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 4: That's a crazy sport to pretend to, like you got to, like,
Speaker 4: hitting a baseball is not easy to just again, this
Speaker 4: guy is addicted to finessing people, and so you end
Speaker 4: up doing like because he's not. He's not keeping it low,
Speaker 4: especially when they're like, well, this guy's throwing with the
Speaker 4: wrong hand. He can't even throw a ball, he can't
Speaker 4: even run this This man is a usurper.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: And mister Grant, you're not getting at three hundred dollars back,
Speaker 2: I hope you good? No, No, So the Tigers ended
Speaker 2: up paying ninety three dollars for William to take a
Speaker 2: first class flight back to Detroit, and the real Jerry
Speaker 2: Lebias had to get a lawyer involved to help untangle
Speaker 2: the trouble he was in with the oilers who thought
Speaker 2: that he was breaking contracts and trying to splitch, like
Speaker 2: switch sports.
Speaker 3: So ninety three dollars for a first class flight.
Speaker 4: Take me back, man, I wish I was. I was
Speaker 4: never there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, like the racism was worse and everything.
Speaker 2: It's still bad now, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: at least I'll be able to afford a home.
Speaker 4: At least you'd have your like twenty twenty six mindset.
Speaker 4: You're like, bro, I can hand your hand of your
Speaker 4: old spooky ass six.
Speaker 3: Right, you're not bothering me. I got tons of insults,
Speaker 3: no long, I've been on TikTok.
Speaker 4: I can't heard them all back. I can tell you
Speaker 4: ones you guys haven't even thought up yet. Yes, just
Speaker 4: so you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry to Jerry Lebias. You didn't deserve none
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, will was sentenced to three years in
Speaker 2: federal prison for identity theft and mail fraud.
Speaker 3: He died shortly after his release in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: So this is Jerry in his Detroit baseball uniform aka
Speaker 2: fake Jerry.
Speaker 3: Right, this is our William. I mean he looks like
Speaker 3: he could play baseball. He got the outfit on. He's
Speaker 3: smiling from you, and you're.
Speaker 4: Like, I got you, bitch, just like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: He's like, they gave me the whole fucking uniform.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, no questions asked?
Speaker 4: What is he haveing on underneath? It's like you got
Speaker 4: a jacket on underneath. They'm like, bro, he got he
Speaker 4: layered it with a jacket or something.
Speaker 3: It's the seventies, so yeah, his afro sticking out the size.
Speaker 3: I love this for him.
Speaker 4: Like when I see this picture, I'm like, this guy
Speaker 4: looks like a real cool guy. And then You're like,
Speaker 4: this man was addicted to the finesse.
Speaker 2: Literally, Now, Myles, I want to know out of the
Speaker 2: three kind of little scam blips that I told you.
Speaker 2: I know we didn't spend much time on de flay Gate,
Speaker 2: but that's because it's been on the zeitgeist for so long.
Speaker 2: You don't know about it. Well, I guess it was
Speaker 2: my job to educator you, but I did. They were
Speaker 2: to play in the footballs and cheating the New England
Speaker 2: Patriots in twenty fifteen, and Tom Brady took a huge,
Speaker 2: like social capital hit from that, especially because the Patriots
Speaker 2: at that time had been dominating football.
Speaker 3: For so long.
Speaker 4: He's still to goat, bro, He's still to goat.
Speaker 3: Right, But I'm still like, how many of them balls
Speaker 3: do we not catch? Flastic?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, Hey, this couldn't have been It's just like people
Speaker 2: get a duy. That was your first time drunk driving? No,
Speaker 2: I know this wasn't the first time.
Speaker 4: Soft first time you got caught, right.
Speaker 3: How many of these softballs have we seen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna the least scamming to me
Speaker 2: is Kawhi Leonard's situation. I mean they were cheating by
Speaker 2: paying him more. I don't think Kawhi is that if
Speaker 2: you offer me more money, I'm not gonna look a
Speaker 2: gift for you.
Speaker 4: Think it's immoral for a professional athlete to demand more
Speaker 4: money from the billionaire owners. I just don't think. And
Speaker 4: the nature of being an athlete is already exploited.
Speaker 3: If so, go ahead selling your body.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not mad like you're You're not fuck.
Speaker 4: You're not out here exploiting people, you know, as a
Speaker 4: basketball player like you're the attraction. So yeah, get your fuck.
Speaker 4: I don't give a funk about that. The only problem
Speaker 4: is there are rules so that the league can maintain
Speaker 4: some level level of parody and fairness in terms of
Speaker 4: how teams are built. So sure you n f oul
Speaker 4: of that, but I can't fault my guy Kawhi for
Speaker 4: wanting more money.
Speaker 3: You gotta put a whole team on his back. People
Speaker 3: are buying those seats for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah so, And also the coloppers are.
Speaker 2: Such trash that I can understand how you got in
Speaker 2: a position like this where you were like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: we gotta give Kawhi more money because he's.
Speaker 4: Our only he's gonna leave.
Speaker 3: He's gonna leave, Like we'll give Luke so Loo more money.
Speaker 3: We're gonna lose the.
Speaker 4: Force, exactly, Luke Solo, We're gonna lose the Force. And
Speaker 4: I know every Star Wars fan loved that one. Right now, Okay,
Speaker 4: Luke Solo hoping we're about to lose the Force.
Speaker 3: So accurate. It's so accurate.
Speaker 4: Funny. You know, Luke Solo about to lose the Force.
Speaker 3: So he is the Force, so they gotta pay him
Speaker 3: with force elsewhere.
Speaker 4: That's what that makes it start on those Medchlorians either period.
Speaker 4: Y'all know.
Speaker 2: I saw that's all Star Wars is, all of them
Speaker 2: in the galaxy far far away.
Speaker 4: I know exactly.
Speaker 3: It makes sense when you don't think about it.
Speaker 4: No, I what the you're talking about?
Speaker 3: I just love you think it's art.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not at all. I just you know what
Speaker 4: you did. You expanded my whole understanding, my consciousness. That's
Speaker 4: what happened all that to say, yeah, so no, I'm
Speaker 4: the least offended by.
Speaker 2: That same and then I feel like, obviously the flake
Speaker 2: Gate your trash. I'm just saying you're the number one scam. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're just straight up cheating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's intentional, it's diabolical. You're trying to gain an advantage.
Speaker 4: Steve Balmer is the bad guy in the Kawhi Leonard story,
Speaker 4: not Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 2: Right, taking money, and every day we take money from
Speaker 2: corporations that are doing absolute evil every you know, all
Speaker 2: them Amazon packages people get in, people that asking them warehouses.
Speaker 6: It's like there's so many other teams though, too that
Speaker 6: do this, except they're like, bro, you do have to
Speaker 6: pose with the Lexus at least, and then we're going
Speaker 6: to give you five times when someone would normally pay
Speaker 6: for an endorsement.
Speaker 4: That's just how we normally do shit.
Speaker 2: That is such a glaring error here, Like has Steep
Speaker 2: been doing this for so long that he was like, man, no.
Speaker 3: Bide pays attention if they actually endorse it. So they
Speaker 3: just stopped because.
Speaker 4: When you're a billionaire, you're just so used to doing shit.
Speaker 4: However the fuck you want to you know what I
Speaker 4: mean that you're like, what the fuck are they gonna do, Man,
Speaker 4: I gotta fuck you money and it's like, well they
Speaker 4: will find me, okay whatever, But and.
Speaker 3: Also why am I trusting Kawhi Leonard about banking?
Speaker 4: No, you don't need to. Aspiration got all these other
Speaker 4: celebrities to do endorsements too, but then none of them
Speaker 4: were like, yeah, I actually don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: I just showed up in like a video for it.
Speaker 4: Because all the.
Speaker 2: Celebs are chilling right now and people have to realize that.
Speaker 2: They're like, don't they make so much money?
Speaker 3: Aren't they rich?
Speaker 2: Once you start adjusting to a rich lifestyle, you be
Speaker 2: surprised how your liquidity can sink, because it's like you
Speaker 2: went from buying a commercial flight to chartering jets one
Speaker 2: of those you know, like that can be easy thirty
Speaker 2: thousand per flight.
Speaker 3: So and that's on the lore end.
Speaker 4: So it's lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Not surprising that they're out here selling their booty holes
Speaker 2: for anything. Once I saw Sarah, Jessica Parker and gaming Ad,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh we are we have lost a
Speaker 2: plot And I'm like, what does this have to do
Speaker 2: with sex and the City babes or anything that you've
Speaker 2: done in your career.
Speaker 3: I don't why you know, Reese Witherspoon out here, champion ai, I.
Speaker 4: Said, maybe doing affiliate links, never done.
Speaker 3: Nothing would be a scam okay on her ed book
Speaker 3: or you know. I mean, I didn't know that she
Speaker 3: was skimming that hard.
Speaker 2: Back in the day, I thought skinny girl cocktails were
Speaker 2: like a cute thing that I saw in Real Housewives,
Speaker 2: And I learned that lady has problems all over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the flake gate bums down bad, you're cheating?
Speaker 4: Fuck you. I don't like whatever that's that. But with
Speaker 4: our boy, what's his name, Scott, Steve, Steve, what.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about?
Speaker 4: William William in person?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, him. I can't get mad at him.
Speaker 4: Something is wrong with that man. He is in love
Speaker 4: with the finesse and he can't stop finessing. So and
Speaker 4: you know what it feels like, aside from Mary the
Speaker 4: real Jerry Levias, it felt relatively victim free. But at
Speaker 4: the end, at the end of the day, once they realized,
Speaker 4: oh this guy was pretending to be you, you actually
Speaker 4: aren't in any kind of legal trouble. Then whatever, man,
Speaker 4: get your free Detroit Tiger's uniform, then your ninety three
Speaker 4: dollars first class flight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm the only reason that I'm gonna
Speaker 2: rank it least the one that I am like the
Speaker 2: most fine with it's gonna be Kawhi, and then second
Speaker 2: is gonna be William and his schemes. William, you could
Speaker 2: have been first and least harmful, but you took three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars from that baseball player.
Speaker 4: Man, And so yeah, sir, that was the difference. If
Speaker 4: he's just taking from big teams, that's one thing. Yeah, man, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah for some Hey, let me hold three hundred dollars
Speaker 4: for my way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The holding three hundred puts you at number two, and
Speaker 2: at number three I'm gonna put the flagg because I'm
Speaker 2: just straight up cheating.
Speaker 4: That's like, come on, you're letting the air out of
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 2: Not no, no, no, no, no, bed And your team
Speaker 2: was so strong at the time, or maybe they were
Speaker 2: strong because of the cheating.
Speaker 3: I guess we'll never know.
Speaker 4: No idea. And that's why how to watch the.
Speaker 3: Wait what do you say about the anisow?
Speaker 4: And that's why I don't watch the NFL.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I do from time to time, just enough
Speaker 2: to watch the Cowboys disappoint me.
Speaker 4: Everyone needs some kind of humiliation ritual, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's mine for sure.
Speaker 2: I like to get my hopes up when they're actually
Speaker 2: playing well in the main season, and then when they
Speaker 2: get to playoffs, you know.
Speaker 3: I love to have hope and then watch them completely
Speaker 3: destroy it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's great with Arsenal.
Speaker 4: But we won this year finally, so I'm feeling good.
Speaker 3: Yes, congratulations, thank you so much, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: So Yes that perhaps a.
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: We appreciate it, congregation. I wish on to get out
Speaker 2: there and stay winning. Okay, if you're gonna play, play
Speaker 2: to win, even if you shouldn't be playing because you're
Speaker 2: not an athlete.
Speaker 3: You know, even if you got a deflat the ball,
Speaker 3: you don't let that stop you. Even if you even if.
Speaker 2: You got to make up a fake endorsement deals. I
Speaker 2: think about Kawhi automatically.
Speaker 3: He's the one I think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I ride up out the app selling
Speaker 2: or the celebrity selling random ships. I was like, why
Speaker 2: are y'all now selling stuff that has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with your expertise, career or field.
Speaker 3: Why should I trust you?
Speaker 4: I don't know. These other scammers are paying me for
Speaker 4: their scam business.
Speaker 3: If you don't take your ass back down to the.
Speaker 2: MGM or Fix or Sony and do another movie about
Speaker 2: a woman who lives in a successful job but she
Speaker 2: lowly is fucking New York City and then she go
Speaker 2: home and then she going to get a Christmas tree
Speaker 2: with her mama and it falls off her and her
Speaker 2: high school booth thang picks it up, and then they
Speaker 2: fall in love and then she move over there, girl,
Speaker 2: go do some of those stop trying to push a
Speaker 2: eye on us, you know, get yall sweet Hell Alabama
Speaker 2: ass back to what you've done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she loves that shit, though she's alway at the
Speaker 4: kind of you was pushing NFTs.
Speaker 3: Too, Ni, get off these scam train Reese, I love you.
Speaker 3: You gonna throw that blonde wig back on and give
Speaker 3: us some legally.
Speaker 2: And on that note, uh huh, got grays, y'all have
Speaker 2: a wonderful day, say Scamming Goddess. Scam Goddess is an
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Speaker 2: Jack O'Brien, Vice President of Programming Miles Gray, and Director
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