1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: This is the OTP, presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: Get the home field advantage with healthcare coverage from Farm 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: Bureau Health Plans. They've been protecting Tennesseeans since nineteen forty seven. 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Wells. Thank you so much for listening to 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: this edition of the Official Titans Podcast, better known as 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the OTP. Speaking of nineteen forty seven. A guy who 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: has been coaching roughly that long, coach Mac Dave McGinnis. 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: He's here with me and Mac. We are talking all 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: things draft. We're just going to barrel through a bunch 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: of questions that the people want to know about the 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: upcoming twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Are you ready, Amy Wells? 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm so down with doing this. Let's go. I mean, 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm so ready to do this. I can't think of 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: anybody I'd rather barrel through something with than Amy Wells. Well, 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: I like that fervor, I like the excitement. Can you 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: believe that the draft is here? Basically, you know, we 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: had a lot of time to work on the draft 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: this year, you know, just because you know there was 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a lot different because we had 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: no combine Normally we're all together at the combine. You know, 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: for that week, there's there are college days, you know, 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: school workouts that you normally can go to the Senior Bowl, 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: which I did not go to this year. You didn't 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: go to this year, and so to me, it's been 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: just a whole lot of for me film evaluation and 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: looking and not a whole lot of interruption other than that. 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: So I'm so ready for this and it'll be fun. Well, 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: you've got your mac notebook, your MacBook here, so it's 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: time to rock and roll. And I want to start 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: with wide receivers because when talking about the Titans pick 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: at twenty two, a lot of the national media people 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: have maybe said that the Titans could pick a receiver 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: at that spot. In your evaluation, which receivers have a 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: skill set that really best fits with what the Titans 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: offense has been able to do over the last couple 36 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: of years. You know, there's two guys and again they 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, they may not be at twenty two or 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: they may not be twenty two, but you I'm taking 39 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: the part of the question that I think is really 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: relevant as to a skill sets that match what the 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: Titans do offensively, rather than just draft position Couldarius Tony 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: from Florida. I like him, you know, I like him 43 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: a lot. Eleven ninety pounds, four four two. But he's 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: a receiver. He's a runner, he's a return man. He 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: can do a lot of things. And as creative as 46 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: this offense has been and as creative as I think 47 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: it will continue to be under Todd Downing, this is 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: a guy that's got a multiple skill set that you 49 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: could use, you know, especially if you want to use 50 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: in an altered personnel group like eleven personnel, you know, 51 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: which is one type one back three wides. You could 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: you could do that, all right? And so I like 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Candarius Tony. The other guy I like, and I know 54 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: that that there's a receiver at LSU that gets all 55 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: the all the talk is Jamar Chase. I like Terrace 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: Marshall there. I like their second receiver. He's a he's 57 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: a six two and a half two hundred and five 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: pound guy, four four three. He's lined up outside, he's 59 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: lined up in the slot. He's a build up speed guy. 60 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: But he's a good combat guy, which I like. He's 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: very very tough. He's a hands catcher and he's got 62 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: a huge catch radius. I think this would be a 63 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: nice addition to what they have going on those two. Well, 64 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: and you have to remember the Tessee Titans have a 65 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: good history of taking a school second receiver. A J. 66 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Brown was not the primary dude at Old Miss. Well, 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: that's such a great point, and it's a it's a 68 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: real point, and you're one hundred percent right. And you 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: talk about taking someone at twenty two. You know, I 70 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: can tell you some pretty good receivers that have been 71 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: and this is a big receiver draft, amy, it really is. 72 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean when I was doing it to me, that's 73 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of receivers that will be able to 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: help teams down in the belly of the draft, as 75 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: I call it, from the fourth to the into the draft. Now, 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans are not looking for a running back necessarily. 77 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: They've got a pretty good one. But will a running 78 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: back go in the first round of the twenty twenty 79 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: one draft? Yes, yeah, yes, who is it? Nigie Harris? 80 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: I think he'll go to the Steelers. I'm making that 81 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: call right now. What you never should do. It's really 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: stupid to do. But I mean, for what he is, 83 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: Nigie Harris. To me, there are two backs. In my 84 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: humble estimation, and I don't have all the answers, but 85 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: that would warrant a first round pick. If you remember 86 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: last year, you know the LSU back, you know Edwards 87 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: Hilaire went right at the last pick of the draft. Well, 88 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: this year, I think Nigie Harris and then the next 89 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: one in my opinion is Travis at the end out 90 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: of Clemson. Those two. But I believe if there's only one, 91 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: that is Nigie Harris because he is so multidimensional in 92 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: what he can do. One of the things that tessee 93 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: Titans do need is a right tackle. And if they're 94 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: going to take a player who's going to start this 95 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: season right away at right tackle, do they have to 96 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: take him in the first round? And if so, who 97 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: is that guy? Well, they don't have to take him 98 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: in the first round. I don't. I don't think so, 99 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think there will be three 100 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: for certain offensive tackles taken in the first round. I 101 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: think the next one of that group that would be 102 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: in that twenty two area would be Tevin Jenkins, you 103 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: know from Oklahoma State that that that's the guy that 104 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: would be there. But there's also guys I think after 105 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: the first round. Again, we just talked about receivers taking 106 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: in later rounds that are very successful. Liam Ackenberg from 107 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: Notre Dame six five, three hundred and five pounds. I mean, 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: this is a right tackle in my opinion. Jalen Mayfield 109 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: six five three twenty three from Michigan, and then Samuel 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: cosed Me from Texas. You know, six six, three hundred 111 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: and twelve pounds. You know, big long dude that might 112 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, might be a guy. And these aren't first 113 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: round guys I'm talking to you about now. These are 114 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: guys that will be in the in what I call 115 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: the belly of the draft, that would have a chance 116 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: to do something early on in their NFL careers. From 117 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: an offensive standpoint, it seems like there's a lot of 118 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: depth at some positions that are key positions, especially if 119 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: teams are needing performance right away. Is that true? Yes, 120 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: it's true in a lot of drafts. I mean, it 121 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: really is. I mean, and again, beauty in the draft 122 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: is in the eye of the beholder. And people ask me, 123 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: you know a lot, you know during this time of year. 124 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: Coach mac is so and so a first round pick, 125 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: And I say, I'll tell you when he's a first 126 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: round pick, when somebody takes him in the first round. 127 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: It's opinions. It's opinions, and it's opinions by human beings 128 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: on other human beings. All right, let's switch over to 129 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: defense just for a minute, because I have a question 130 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: about cornerbacks. The Titans could be looking for a corner 131 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: as well. Do you have to take a day one 132 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: corner to get a guy who can perform in twenty 133 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: twenty one? No, not at all. Corner corner. To me, 134 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: there are corners in this draft. And the thing that's 135 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: unique with this draft to me, Amy is this because 136 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: of there's so many altered offensive personnel groups now that 137 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: are you know, used to be eleven personnel or multiple 138 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: wide receiver sets on offense, or a third day down 139 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: personnel group. They're not anymore. It's first through third down. Okay, 140 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: So you have to have people to be able to 141 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: counter and match up with. And so for that reason, 142 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: just like there are now outside receivers and slot receivers, 143 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: there are now outside corners and slot corners. So there 144 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: are there are people throughout this draft. I'll give you 145 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: some of them. I mean, I like Tyson Campbell from Georgia. 146 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: You know, this is a guy. This is a guy 147 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, six one ninety eight pounds. I mean it's 148 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: a good looking corner can play man, needs technique work, 149 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: his running made. On the other side, Eric Stokes guy 150 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: ran four three three six, one hundred ninety five pounds, 151 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, good athlete, still needs some work. Nobody comes 152 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: into this league fully prepared to play in the National 153 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: Football League. Some may play earlier than others, but they 154 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: still Everybody has rough edges that they need refined to 155 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: be able to play the nuanced positions in this league. 156 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: If Fiati Melifonwu from Syracuse, now, I mean this is 157 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: a guy four four seven six two and a half 158 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: two twelve big long corner played some man up there, 159 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: you'd kind of like him, you know because especially the 160 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: matchup against long receivers. And then Aaron Robinson from Central 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: Florida five eleven and a a half hundred and ninety pounds 162 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: four to four to seven just understands the game, you know, 163 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: gets it. So there are guys throughout this draft, But 164 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: to answer your question, are their cornerbacks that you can 165 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: take after the first round that will come in and 166 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: play for you in the year one. Yes, the Tennessee 167 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Titans are picking at twenty two, and historically teams want 168 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: to trade out of the twenties. It's not really a 169 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: great place to be. There's a lot of opportunities there 170 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: to move around. Do the Tennessee Titans have a real 171 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: shot at trading out of twenty two. A lot of 172 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: it depends on who's taken from ten to twenty one, 173 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: and that makes a big difference because the people that 174 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: are behind you that may want to come up, either 175 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: immediately behind you are in the second round, may want 176 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: to come up and say, look, we've got a guy 177 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: right there that we don't know if he's going to 178 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: last from twenty two to thirty two, that we've got 179 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: to have. That's what's going to happen. But you won't 180 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: really know that until ten to twenty one. And when 181 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: those calls start coming. I used to work the phones 182 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: relentlessly during a draft. They start to come about four 183 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: picks before yours, and you know, and they will call 184 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: and say, Amy, are you guys sticking at twenty two 185 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: or would you be willing to listen to this? You know, 186 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: And so that's when it starts. But it's really predicated 187 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: on who has gone before, because if their guy that 188 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: they thought had a chance, you know, default was still falling. 189 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: But all of a sudden there's a run on players 190 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: at a position and they go, you know, all, hell, 191 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: we better jump ahead of the run and jump up 192 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: here and get this. Let's let's get ahold of the 193 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: Titans at twenty two and see if they're willing to 194 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: move a little bit. And so my answer to that 195 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: is could it happen? Yes? Is it happening immediately? No, 196 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: because you don't know what's happened before that pick to 197 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: begin with. So we do know that Trevor Lawrence is 198 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: going to be the number one pick going to Jacksonville. 199 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: But when we look at quarterbacks, what about by us 200 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson? What makes him potentially the SA get quarterback 201 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: that comes off the board. Really good anticipator, his reading, 202 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: reacts very quickly. He's a good athlete with a ball 203 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: in his hands, you know, not only throwing it, but moving, 204 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: manipulating a pocket, being able to make plays off schedule. 205 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: He's got he's got an acumen about him to the 206 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: quarterback position that you can see, you know, when he's playing. 207 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: He's good in the pocket. He's good on the move 208 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: what you need to be. Now, in the National Football League, 209 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: we've all seen those off schedule quarterbacks that I mean, 210 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: if you can pick up two first downs a game 211 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: with a quarterback's legs on third down, you're ahead of 212 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: the game. You really are. And so that helps. He's 213 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: got touch, he's got accuracy. And here's here's the thing 214 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: that I like about him in watching him amy And again, 215 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm not a quarterback guru. I just am watching. He 216 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: throws his receivers open. Some guys throw at their receivers 217 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: and some guys throw them open. He throws his guys open. Now, 218 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: you're not a quarterback guru, but you are a good 219 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: evaluator of talent and someone that you, among other people, 220 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: but you specifically have called monster is Florida tight end 221 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. He might be the top rated non quarterback 222 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: in this draft. And people have used other words not 223 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: just monster and freak and giant human, but they've also 224 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: used words like unicorn in terms of what he's able 225 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: to do as a tight end. What makes him so special, Well, 226 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: he's not a tight end. Let to begin with, he's 227 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: a mismatch problem and that's what the National Football League is. 228 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're on the field during the game 229 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: and you can see And let's go back to what 230 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: we had talked about previously, Amy about the altered offensive 231 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: personnel sets. If Kyle Pitts is in the game and 232 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: he's split out, Okay, now, who you're gonna match him 233 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: up with? If everything is in base defense and you've 234 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: got your base defense in there and Kyle Pitts splits out, 235 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: they split him out on the backside by himself. Who 236 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna put on him? You've got three wide receivers 237 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: on the other side, and you've got Kyle Pitts. Now, 238 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: are you gonna take a corner and put him over there? 239 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna leave a safety on one of those white outs. 240 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna take a linebacker and put him over there. 241 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a mismatched night mayor, and he can move, 242 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: he can move around. I mean, he's not just a 243 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: square guy. In other words, you can't just put him 244 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: in a box and say he can only run routes 245 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. He can only run 246 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: routes towards the sideline. He can only run routes over 247 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: the center. This guy can do it all, and he's 248 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: got a huge wingspan, he's a combat catcher, he's very, 249 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: very competitive, and he's an athletic freak. And plus, I 250 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: mean he was in a throwing offense, so he's got 251 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: he's got spatial awareness on the field. He already gets that. 252 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: And so to me, it's all about matchups in the 253 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: National Football League. You know, for thirty five years, I've 254 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: always looked at the draft. I can't help but look 255 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: at it through a defensive lens sometimes, and I just 256 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: put myself in the shoes of defensive coordinators getting game 257 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: plans on Monday against this guy, he's going to be 258 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: a problem. Well, here's hoping he goes to an NFC team. 259 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: We'll see you later. We also talk about teams worried 260 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: about wide receivers and their physical traits. So Kyle Pitts 261 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: lots of physical traits. Some wide receivers maybe not so much. 262 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk specifically about DeVonta Smith because he's over six 263 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: feet tall, so that's fine, but he only weighs one 264 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six pounds. Why could that be a 265 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: problem for some team? Well, first of all, that's an outlier. 266 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: That really is. You know they're and they're small receivers 267 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, but most of the smaller 268 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: receivers are just lightning fast, and DeVonta Smith is not 269 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: lightning fast. But DeVonta Smith is silky smooth, and he's 270 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: a nuanced receiver. He gets it, he understands now. The 271 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: reason that you would be concerned is this, the windows 272 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, the hash marks are different, 273 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: so the windows to throw in her a lot closer. 274 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: So and plus, defensive players are a lot more twitchy, 275 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: they're a lot quicker, they get there faster. So what 276 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: you would worry about is the amount of collisions you 277 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: know that this guy's going to take and what is 278 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: his durability. Well, he played in the Southeastern Conference, was 279 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, the highsman Trophy winner, So it wouldn't like 280 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: they just threw him the ball one time a game 281 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: and people knew he was getting the ball. He has 282 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: not weighed a lot his whole life. When you look 283 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: at it and and say, well, UND sixty six, that's that's 284 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: pretty light. But then you've got to put the scales 285 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: on the other side of the weighing process and say 286 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: he's performed like this. Here's how we could use him. 287 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: Here's what I think that we can do with him. Well, 288 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: when you get a guy like that into your facility, 289 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: are you not able to work with trainers and nutritionists 290 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: and all that to maybe change his body composition just 291 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: a little bit. You can always make him stronger, but 292 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you want to make him fatter. You 293 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: know him, well, no to me, to me this guy 294 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: and as I said, when I watch him, he's so 295 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: smooth and so yes I mean, and plus hill mature. 296 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: You know his body will mature. I don't think it'll 297 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: scare a lot of people off amy, I really don't. 298 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of Alabama players, there is talk, just talk, that 299 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: former Alabama quarterback Mac Jones could fall out of the 300 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: top ten in terms of picks on Day one. How 301 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: far could he potentially fall and how would that impact 302 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: the draft boards of other teams, especially those picking in 303 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: the first half of Round one. First of all, and 304 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: you know this because you and I have talked about 305 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: draft for a long time since I've been here. There's 306 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: a quarterback draft and then there's an everybody else draft. 307 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: There are two drafts, all right. So if you're a 308 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: team that doesn't need a quarterback. You want as many 309 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks taken ahead of you as can go, because that's 310 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: just pushing players that you do need down to you. Okay, Now, 311 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: if he does fall, and again this is without trades. 312 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: This we're talking. You and I are talking without trades 313 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: right now, I don't think he would get out of 314 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: the top ten because I don't think he gets past 315 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: Denver and Denver sitting at nine, you know. And the 316 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: reason that John Elway decided I'm not going to be 317 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: the general manager anymore. I'll go up and go into 318 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: a bigger office, you know, and brought George Peyton there 319 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: to be the GM because since Peyton Manning left there, 320 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: they have not been able to solve their quarterback problem. 321 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: What do you think will be the biggest surprise of 322 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one undraft. I think the biggest surprise 323 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: will be how high Zaven Collins is take. Why is that? 324 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: I just think continues through this process. He's an ascending player. 325 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: He fits all types of defensive schemes that are being run. 326 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: And it's such a space game now, but it's a 327 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: space game that also needs some bulk to it. You 328 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: need a big man that can do a lot of things. 329 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: He can do that. We had talked about this a 330 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: little bit previously in the podcast, but I would like 331 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: to revisit it because I think it's fascinating position groups 332 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: that have the most depth in the twenty twenty one draft. 333 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: What are some of those places that have the most 334 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: depth and why is that so beneficial for teams? Wide receivers. 335 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: There may be forty wide receivers, you know throughout this 336 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: draft through three days, you know, wide receivers and then 337 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: defensive backs of some form or ilk. It goes with 338 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: what we've talked about Amy, just because of the preponderance 339 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: of wide receivers coming out, you know, of collegiate ball 340 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: and and what's being running the National Football League. Now, 341 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: you've got to have runners. We've got the best runner 342 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: in the league right now here, and it's very important, 343 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: but you still got to have guys that can get 344 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: open off the play action off of that run. And 345 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: so the wide receiver group is just the numbers that 346 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: are coming out, and I think that what we're seeing now, 347 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, after seven or eight years down the road, 348 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: is the result of all the seven on seven that 349 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: goes on in high schools all the spring stuff that 350 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: goes on. You know, there's just guys that are playing 351 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: those positions more. But the wide receiver group to me, 352 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: going through this and looking at I'm saying when I 353 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: go through and start digging deep down into tape, going, well, 354 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: this guy'd have a chance to play. It's got may 355 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: not be a starter, but he'd have a chance to play. 356 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: And this little gidget gadget could play slot and he 357 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: might be a returner. So wide receivers, does the increase 358 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: in the amount of talent at wide receiver also increase 359 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: the level of talent of the cornerback position. As one improves, 360 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: the other has to rise. Perfect question, and you're one 361 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: hundred percent right, because you know, and there's there's different 362 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: types of corners. Now it's not just playing on the outside, 363 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: because the nickel cornerback or the guy that plays over 364 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: the slot in a three receiver set, that's become a 365 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: starting position. You're in at sixty five percent of the time, 366 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: sixty five percent of the time offenses are in altered 367 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: personnel on first down, and so as a defensive coach, 368 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: you're always matching personnel. You're always matching personnel, and you've 369 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: got to have those people, and they've got a unique 370 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: skill set. They've got to be able to not only 371 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, play the pass run in zone with that 372 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: guy in the slot, but they've got to be able 373 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: to they're part of the run front too, because if 374 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: they're not part of the run front, then you've got 375 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: a six man front that you can run on all day. 376 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: Now we're getting into deep ball that you and I 377 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: always get into when we talk. But they've got a 378 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: unique skill set. So the answers, yes, what do you 379 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: think is the weakest position group in the twenty twenty 380 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: one draft? I think it's the interior defensive lineman. I 381 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: think Christian Barmore is the top you know, you know 382 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: from from Alabama. He and he and Levi on Woozariki 383 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: are the two op ones. To me, there's a gap 384 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: there and then there's just not many of them because again, 385 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: as I say, you know, defenses are not loading up 386 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: to stop the run anymore in collegiate football. So that 387 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: big guy, that big guy that's going to play the nose, 388 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: that big guy's going to play the shade, or that 389 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: guy that's just going to be an anchor three technique, 390 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: those guys are not as many. You still have some, 391 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: but a lot of the times it's you know, it's 392 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: who can win one on ones and who can get 393 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: to the who can get to the quarterback, and who 394 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: can disengage and get quick when the RPOs going on. 395 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: So it's an interior defensive lineman. In my opinion, this 396 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: has been a very strange offseason. There are a lot 397 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: of things that evaluators usually have that they haven't had 398 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: this year. How much do you think that's going to 399 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: impact this draft overall? Here's the impact. I think it 400 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: will happen because it's the same for everybody. Then everybody's 401 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: on an equal footing. You're scouting departments, you're coaching staffs. 402 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Those that have proven to be the most adaptable, even 403 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: in last year's COVID season, you know, preparing for a season, 404 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: getting ready for a season, and then winning game during 405 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: the season, they will do the best job of this draft. Also, 406 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: know our coaching staff, our scouting staff here, you know 407 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: what they were able to do during this COVID year 408 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: was amazing. It really was. Win a division, get a 409 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: home playoff game, win eleven games, go sixteen days without practicing, 410 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: and then come out and beat a playoff team your 411 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: next time out, so they've proven they know how to adjust. 412 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: But everybody's faced the same circumstances, so we'll see how 413 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: it comes out. But it's different. It was different for 414 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: you and I. We weren't at the Combine this year. 415 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: We weren't at the Senior Bowl. We weren't able to 416 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: go to school workouts. You weren't able to interview those 417 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: guys when they came in for their thirty visits like 418 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: you've always been able to do and get decent insight 419 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: into them. But everybody's going through the same thing. Well, 420 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to your healthcare coverage, you should be 421 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: the one to make the call, so call Farm Bureau 422 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: Health Plans. They've been protecting Tennessee and since nineteen forty seven. Mac, 423 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time to chat 424 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: with us and really get us ready for this draft. 425 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a wild couple of days. I'm so excited. 426 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: It's finally I'm very much looking forward to it. Amy, 427 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. It's gonna be great for coach 428 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: back Dave McGinnis. I'm Amy Wells. Thank you so much 429 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: for listening to the OTP. We'll talk to you real. 430 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: Soon it's draft time, everybody. The twenty twenty one NFL 431 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: Draft is just around the corner. Be sure to come 432 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: back here listen to the OTP. We've got a lot 433 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: more coverage coming your way. When everybody knows it's our house, 434 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: Tennessee greatness is meant to be. We got tighting butter 435 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: running through a v