1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: My name is Pedro Flores. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: I am giving this statement freely and voluntarily pursuing two 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: proper letters with the United States Attorney's Office for the 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: Eastern District of Wisconsin and the Northern District of Illinois. 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Although no promises have been made to me regarding my 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: cooperation or the sentence I will ultimately receive. I am 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: cooperating with the government and the hope of receiving a 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: reduced sentence in a federal case where I have been indicted. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm federal narcotics chargers. 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: Do you believe in the justice system after what he's 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: put you through? 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 4: Well, I remember the prosecutors telling me when we argue 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 4: certain things about our case, our chargers, and he said 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 4: to me, the law is not there to protect criminals, 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 4: is there to protect the innocent. So I'm going to 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 4: take that for the word, because I'm I was a criminal. 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: So the law wasn't there to benefit me, was there 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 4: to go against me. So I have to respect that. 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 4: You know, if I was on the opposite side of 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 4: the law, you know, if I was on the right 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 4: side of the law, maybe that. 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: Law would protect me. And I hope it does, you. 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 4: Know, But do I agree with every part of it. 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 5: No, but you see people get twenty they kill twenty 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 5: people and they just let them out because they got 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 5: who they wanted, Yeah. 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: What they wanted. 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 4: Well, people, I'm gonna tell you there's a lot of 29 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 4: people are gonna think that our sentence was unfair. 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:28,639 Speaker 1: Mhm. 31 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 4: And I hope that in us talking about this, and 32 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 4: they're gonna get a breag picture of see you letting 33 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 4: me say what what's fair or not? But I'll take 34 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: responsibility with do I believe in just a yes, because. 35 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm the one that put myself in that situation. If 36 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: I would never have done that, then I're gonna have 37 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: to deal with that. Right. 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 6: Hey, it's and I'm Charlie Webster. This is ivanel Chapeau, 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 6: the twins who brought down a Drugg Blood season two. 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: You ever played that game telephone? 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 5: For five years, that's the only way Jay and Pete 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 5: were able to communicate with each other by sending messages 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 5: to their wives. So far, their time in prison had 44 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 5: been about cooperation, and they had no clue how much 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 5: longer they be in for. The twin sentencing was originally 46 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 5: put a hole until our chapel was caught. 47 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Now that el Chapot had been arrested. The brothers could 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: get back together. 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 6: But it wouldn't last long. Pete and j would soon 50 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 6: learn their fate, but first they had to get to 51 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 6: the courthouse in Chicago. Sat in a hangar and shackled, 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 6: Pete watched anxiously as a plane of approached, the plane 53 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 6: he hoped would have his brother on board. 54 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: I can see the plane touching the private plane, and 55 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's sticky forever, like the land to spin around. 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 4: But I remember, like they pull up and I'm sitting 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: in the in the in the truck stuff. 58 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: I see him, you know, pull the doors open. When 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: they tell me come on, I rushed out. I remember, 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm just looking down trying to peek over the corner. 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 4: I just I just see it's a great sweats and shoes, 62 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: you know, And you know my brother was sitting there. 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: What did that feel like? That was beautiful feeling it. 64 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: You know that we got emotional right right soon we've 65 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: seen the showy start crank. And did you do when 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: you saw each other? 67 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: Well, we couldn't, you know, I was I was seeing 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 4: that we're tackle, so we couldn't do much. 69 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: So we just robed our head together, our big. 70 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 4: Head together, and and I like, bro, like after I 71 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: was like fans in here, like, bro, why did you 72 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: look like that? 73 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: Right away? I went to I've been in his shoe 74 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: and I know you don't think I get air cut 75 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: like whatever. And it didn't work out that way. 76 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 4: And you just, you know, like even the marshals that 77 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: which travel was, they're just they'll stay quiet for us. 78 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: I can just stare at him like what was that reaction? 79 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: You know, be like. 80 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: And then he sat in front of me and we 81 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 4: just tried to We forgot about everyone else in the 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: little three four hours. I felt like, you know, different things, 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 4: and he's sitting in front of me, and. 84 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm a nervous record of it. 85 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 4: I'm I'm going to get sentenced, and I'm looking at 86 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 4: my brother and I'm kind of why I'm staring at 87 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 4: because he has this different He's day back, he's standing back, 88 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 4: and he's like. 89 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: You're hungry, bro, you know, give him something me Like 90 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: it was because I. 91 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 7: Did. 92 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: Did you feel different to each other because you've not 93 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 3: seen each other for that long and also you're been 94 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: through so much in that period of time. 95 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. 96 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: I noticed like, to me, he was too timid, he 97 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: was too like I feel like he was letting them 98 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: take a part of him. And it was in me 99 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: that I was not gonna let that happen. 100 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: So when I see my brother, he has this as 101 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm coming in and he's like, hey, give him something, man, 102 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: he's gilt. What do you want to I'm like, day, bro, 103 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: this is not your jet. These are us marshalls. Like 104 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: they give two ships. What you said? 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 4: I'm just like, no, no, they didn't. And I remember 106 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 4: landing and I got sick. Remember you guys. Take you 107 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: guys when we were taking out, when you started feeling better, 108 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 4: I thought he looked hungry. So the marshals are there. 109 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: It looks like he needed food. So hey, excuse me, 110 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 4: bring me that food. Like you know they have fruit tree, it's. 111 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: A private jet mart. Bring them to food. 112 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 4: And then and what did they do? What do you 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 4: want here? Here's your stuff? I get them the fruit, 114 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: get them to drink, you know, like, hey, do you 115 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 4: want anything? Any girls like yeah, And I'm looking like 116 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: Jane disonergr jet and like, don't worry, you're good. 117 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure you're good. 118 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 6: It might seem uncommon for prisoners to be transported on 119 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 6: private jets, complete with fresh fruit and drinks. Even we 120 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 6: were surprised to find out that it's actually a thriving business. 121 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 6: On average, there's over six hundred flights a day shuttling 122 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 6: prisoners around the US. That's nearly the same amount of 123 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 6: flights that take off every day from Los Angeles International Airport. 124 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,559 Speaker 6: It's not quite as looks as you would think, though. 125 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 6: The prisoners still have to be shackled on the plane. 126 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 6: Jay was concerned about Pete. He looked like a shell 127 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 6: of himself, timid, drastically underweight and broken. Eventually, after a 128 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 6: nearly four hour flight, the twins were taken to a 129 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 6: safe house in Chicago, expecting to be sentenced the next day. Instead, 130 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 6: they ended up living at the safe house for months, 131 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 6: continuing to cooperate on the El Chapo case, going over 132 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 6: the same things with the government again and again and again. 133 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: So we're like, well, at least we're going to be 134 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 4: somewhere a little more comfortable for tonight, tomorrow or whatever. 135 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: Right, and we get to the seafehouse in Chicago. It's 136 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: a secret location. 137 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: It's amazing where it's at you'd be surprised you put 138 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: it somewhere like that can. 139 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't discuss. 140 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to discussed. It's like a bunker, so 141 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 4: they take those backs. We were there for months. There's 142 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 4: no windows or nothing, but it's a big, old metal, 143 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 4: heavy door, and it's a room that looks someone like 144 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: a cheap It looks exactly like a holiday and back 145 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: in the day, exactly what everything. 146 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: On holidays would have the same lamp, same set, no bathroom. 147 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 4: Door, no bath flows doors, and no bunch of cameras inside, 148 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: same televisions to old picks and old television. Same everybody 149 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 4: thinking that we're gonna, you know, they're gonna let us 150 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 4: be together, Like we're on the. 151 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: Jet together there when we get today separated. 152 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 4: And I remember at you know, asking the martian charge 153 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: like can we be together? 154 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: No, you can't be together. I'm like, I just got 155 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: off the plane with him. Were just drove over together, 156 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: Like what's the big deal? 157 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 5: Now? 158 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: What did that feel like? I felt again that helplessness 159 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: of like thinking like he's my brother, we're on the 160 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: same case. We're gonna be charged to we got a 161 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: charge to get to the other. 162 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 4: Benefits that we had earlier on the simple things that 163 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 4: we took from Ghanda. 164 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: We took ends, they took it from us. So I remember, 165 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: just remember night. We right away, we didn't even care 166 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: to eat. We just sat. 167 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: We yelled at each other like it were in the 168 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: hole from you know, from the crack of the door. 169 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: Like we sat on the floor and he sent one 170 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, his next door to me. So we just 171 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: yelled at each other. 172 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 6: Despite being brought together to be sentenced, the brothers were 173 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 6: still forced apart at every moment, separated into their own rooms. 174 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 6: The only way they could talk to each other was 175 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 6: to lie on the floor and shout through the crack 176 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 6: at the bottom of the heavy metal doors. 177 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 4: And the Martians come check on you ployment, even though 178 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 4: they had cameras, you guys go, okay, hear the keys. 179 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: That's kind of you. Hear keys, you know. And we 180 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: had regular conversations. 181 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 4: We were laughing, just different conversations about being nervous. 182 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: And then they come get us, come on, you guys 183 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: have a visit, and we walk into like a little 184 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: meeting room like the same thing, like like the rooms 185 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: that they make usweet. It's like two rooms which just 186 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: take the bed out of one and it's like they 187 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: got so fun and we come in. 188 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 4: There's just the coverment, the agents and prosecutors, and we're like, 189 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 4: what's going on? Like we're gonna go over some stuff. 190 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 4: I mean, this cooperation stuff was heavy. 191 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 7: It was work. 192 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 4: If I got paid by the hour, I had to 193 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 4: get some pretty good checks, and I felt like I 194 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: was upset. 195 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: To be honest, I was like, I'm done. I'm done 196 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: with this help me ship. I just want to get sentenced. 197 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: I'm over it. Dude, you gotta do I give you. 198 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm giving you my soul. 199 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: Practically, to me, I felt like I was looking at 200 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: someone who was defeating, who was giving up. 201 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: That's what I looked at him. So I'm like, come on, like, 202 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: come on, be like be strong. I saw you being nervous, 203 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: and I saw you being that because you were I 204 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: had intend you were. 205 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: Confident enough, and I addressed that a couple of times 206 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 4: to I'm looking at that, I'm not confident. 207 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: To me, it's a test. We're about to get sentenced 208 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: and they want help tomorrow they decide my future. What 209 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: do you need? I have a family at home. I 210 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: signed up for this. That's saying. So I was, you know, 211 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: to me, I'm just still fighting to get home. 212 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: I never stopped fighting, you know, if I were here 213 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: till the last day, I thought every day used. 214 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: To training that my brother would call it a tantrums. 215 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: I call it fighting. 216 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 4: I think for me to see us be alike so much, 217 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: even when it came to personality a little bit at times, 218 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: like energy or like whatever we give out. And for him, 219 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 4: I felt like I was going one way, he was 220 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 4: going the other. It was I think, trouble something for me, 221 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 4: and then if you could kind of tell like it 222 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 4: was trouble some for him to see me the opposite way, 223 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 4: I felt like more meekness set into me, a little 224 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 4: more humble, a little more like patient, and little more 225 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: like you know, maybe just I embraced the part that 226 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I'm just I'm. 227 00:12:37,400 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 6: Yelling on Jack when you're the twenty seventh, twenty fifteen, 228 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 6: after months of cooperating sensusing day finally arrived. 229 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: I remember that morning I'm in the safe house night 230 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: channe out the news like I just channed the local 231 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: news in Chicago, and it's like that's the story. 232 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: Al Chapo's biggest distributors, Pedro and Margarito Flores used stash 233 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: houses in the suburbs off Chicago. 234 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 4: The Flores twins could be Chicago's biggest cocaine and heroin 235 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 4: traffickers ever. 236 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 8: Chicago's infamous drug trafficking twins, Pedro Flores and his brother Margarito. 237 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 9: They became the Cinelo Cartel's largest US distributors. 238 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 4: To hit the drugs in some of New York's best neighborhoods. 239 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 9: The twins, Pedro and Margarito Flores, have spent six years 240 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 9: cooperating with the fans. 241 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: At person get it was the big deal bout me 242 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: getting sentenced. I also came to like like realize that 243 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 4: it wasn't gonna be a. 244 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: Like easy. 245 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 4: It was, you know, the sentence he was gonna you know, 246 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 4: I'm looking with the media was saying like it changed 247 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: from us supposedly thinking we're doing something like good to 248 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 4: a change. 249 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: That we were still going to be the really no 250 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: matter what. And I understood that. 251 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I just hope that the judge 252 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: understands this and seese my cooperation and understands the risk 253 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: we took and why we did this. I remember we're 254 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 4: in this hallway and it's like twelve marshals and my 255 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: brother side handkoff and he's behind me and the marshals 256 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 4: are there, and Peter took me like, yo, I'm nervous, 257 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: like and my people don't be nervous, like click, this 258 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: is what. 259 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna say. 260 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 10: And I'm like just trying to be the strong one right, 261 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 10: Like I'm nervous too, but I'm not gonna show them. 262 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 10: The marshals like, man, you guys said, you gotta just 263 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 10: stop already. 264 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: You're making a big deal about it. I said, I'm 265 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: not like this. 266 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: But that day, because I was worried about my brother, 267 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: I was like, mind your fucking business. 268 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: What is it to you. You're here to transport me. 269 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: This is none of your fucking business. I said, you 270 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: take this job. You do this every day. Might not 271 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: be a big deal to you, but this is gonna change. 272 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: This is our life. You're taking this. 273 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 4: I was like, and I went on this rank and 274 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: I'm and they're like, yo, just come out and come 275 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 4: out here. And the marshall think that he's like, you're right, 276 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 4: I apologize say for me. The heaviness of everything, we 277 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 4: come to feeling the way of it again, like you 278 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: know your your. 279 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: Feet lies in the hands of someone else, like a 280 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: psychological torture, as. 281 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: Probably going into that courtroom any thinking I was and 282 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 4: see a bunch of people that are gonna be staring 283 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: at me. I'm gonna have to admit, you know, be 284 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 4: sentien fell my wrongdoing. What's kind of heavy, you know, 285 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 4: and talk of everything like those thoughts are going to 286 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: my mind. 287 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: My family. 288 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't stop thinking of there, the kids, everyone, like 289 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: everything we've been through, you know, the unknown of the future, 290 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: what's around the corner. 291 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: You know, what did it feel like on that day. 292 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: Like being kidnapped again, being like, you know, your life 293 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: open in the air, like anything could happen. 294 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: That just could have decided whatever he wanted. 295 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: Those feelings have been like figuring for my life again 296 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: were real And anyone who has you know, come face 297 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: to face for the judge in a federal courtroom could 298 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying to you know, come up to 299 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: that to the bench of the judge where he's sitting 300 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: up like he feels like he's ten feet you know, high, 301 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: and the court room makes you feel so small. That 302 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: real thought that where it says the United States versus 303 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 2: you like, what chances does anyone have that fight the 304 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: United States government? You know, and you feel small, you 305 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: feel like vulnerable and weak. 306 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: I feel like you're being brought out to the world 307 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 4: to see you. And that was a little like that 308 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 4: was not wreaking, like because my life had changed so much. 309 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 4: I'm going in front of people actually again right that 310 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: I can to decide your life. 311 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 6: When a prisoner is sentenced, there is a guideline for 312 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 6: how long they will spend in prison. The guideline is 313 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 6: based on something called an offense level, which is determined 314 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 6: by how serious the offenses. The maximum level is forty three, 315 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 6: which would mean a life sentence. When the twins went 316 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 6: into their sentencing, they had an offense level of fifty nine. 317 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 6: That sixteen levels above the supposed maximum. Their cooperation meant 318 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 6: levels could be taken off. It was described by government 319 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 6: prosecutors as the most significant in a drug trafficking and 320 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 6: money laundering context in the history of the district. In 321 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 6: the end, the government recommended a sentence of a minimum 322 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 6: ten years maximum sixteen. US District Chief Judge Reuben Costillo 323 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 6: sentenced each of the brothers to fourteen years in prison 324 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 6: plus five years supervised release. Thee said that were it 325 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 6: not for their cooperation, he would have sentenced them to life, 326 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 6: but noted that they were already living with their own 327 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 6: life sentence. 328 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 11: There is never a day in their lives where they 329 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 11: won't have to look over their shoulder, the judge said 330 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 11: in court this morning. There's never a time that they'll 331 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 11: turn the ignition switch on a car and not wonder 332 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 11: to themselves is it going to start or is it 333 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 11: going to blow up. That's its own form of life sentence, 334 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 11: and that's the part of the extraordinary nature of this case. 335 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 6: Judge Castillo said the twins operation devastated the walls of 336 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 6: Chicago and created a highway of drugs into the city. 337 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 6: J and Pete's corporation led to criminal charges against the 338 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 6: three bosses of the Cineloa cartel, El Chapo El Mayo, 339 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 6: and Otturo Beltran Lava. In addition, there were fifty one 340 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 6: other people charged as part of their cooperation, including their friends, 341 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 6: people like Musico, who you might remember from the Strip 342 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 6: Club Night in season one. He was the person on 343 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 6: the other end of the phone organizing for the cartel 344 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 6: to save the Florest family's lives when they were caught 345 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 6: by the Mexican federales. Even Tommy was charged. Jay's best friend. 346 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 6: He was the person who helped Jay get Pete back 347 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 6: when Pete was kidnapped by l Chapo and sat with 348 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 6: Jay that fateful night watching the John Gotti documentary that 349 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 6: first gave Jay the idea to cooperate. A total of 350 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 6: fifty four people had charges brought against them because of 351 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 6: the Flores twins. Judd Castillo said, it's never too late 352 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 6: to cooperate. 353 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to have like the best news and feel like, Okay, 354 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to be home in a year and a half. 355 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: It didn't happen. 356 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 6: Neil I was just halfway, had spent nearly seven years 357 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 6: in prison before being sentenced, and they now had another 358 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 6: seven years to serve. They were only halfway through. 359 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: I was disappointed. I mean I was disappointed. 360 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: We're leave in some ways because I felt like I 361 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: was expecting like a lifetime supervision or something that would 362 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: have been hard. You know, it's something hard to live with. 363 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: I was given five years supervision. 364 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: But again it wasn't for myself. It's just for my family, 365 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: my wife, my kids. 366 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: You know, we're just like halfway through at that point, 367 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: not just six years, you know of not just your 368 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: six years. It was six years of craziness. To be like, okay, 369 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: we're halfway felt hard, you know, like starting all over. 370 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: After the spoke to you and gave you your sentencing, 371 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: and he he said, words to the effective you know, 372 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 3: you're always gonna have to look over your shoulder. 373 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: What did that feel like? What was it like for you? 374 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 4: It's something already new, right, But when he said, I 375 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 4: think it was more powerful. 376 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: Right. 377 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 4: Of course, it just feels bad because I know my 378 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: situation and I'm going to hear those words, he stated 379 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: over and over again, and I'm probably going to continue 380 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: to hear them. And I understood, like early on in 381 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 4: the situation, I put myself in ampuire me for like, 382 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 4: I'm always going to be in prison by the fact 383 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 4: of everything. And that's for in prison, for the fact 384 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: that I cooperated right for me, regardless if I was 385 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 4: getting benefits or not, it was for the good I 386 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 4: thought I was doing. 387 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: You know. So it's two. 388 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 4: Different imprisonments, right, or two different life sentences in different ways. 389 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 4: It was with them it would have been death, and 390 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 4: here it was like a person and the life senses 391 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 4: of worries and you know, worry about threats and your 392 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 4: safety and your family safety. Even after all those years 393 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 4: of growing and thinking about my case and think about 394 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: everytiunity that just never going to say well with me 395 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: that I put my family in danger. And sometimes I 396 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 4: would think, like the fact that my wife and the 397 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 4: rest of my family would be like. 398 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: It's worth it, Like it kind of. 399 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 4: Showed to me like how much they love me, and 400 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: i'mous say wanted more that they were like, you know, 401 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 4: I didn't understand that sometimes we were making decisions for 402 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: our kids that they didn't get a chance to make 403 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 4: kind of like well my dad did to me, right, 404 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: And you know, I thought when I got sentence, I 405 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 4: wasn't come out feeling good. Does that understandable, right, besides 406 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 4: me getting rewarded with no matter what the sentence was, 407 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 4: that I was going to come out like. 408 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: Like feeling good. And I remember. 409 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 4: That press conference were like, you know, they wanted to 410 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 4: set us as an example. I didn't feel that it 411 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 4: was going to be an example for other people to corporate. 412 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: I totally didn't feel like that. I felt like it 413 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: was just a reminder. 414 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 4: I guess a little more of an extra torture for 415 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 4: me and my family of what was lying ahead of me. 416 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: I think that I was broken back inside. No grateful 417 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: that it wasn't like longer, but I was broken, you know. 418 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: I felt like I was like, it's overwhelmed with daughter 419 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: Jana and everything she had been to already and the 420 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: kids and how hopeful they were. And I remember I 421 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: was sick, you know, I was throwing up like all 422 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: the way back. 423 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 4: You know. 424 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: I was sick that I was gonna have to stay 425 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 2: right of my brother and thinking that the next time 426 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: I'll see him again, was it's gonna be who knows? 427 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: Did you get to say anything to each other once 428 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: you were sentenced, before you put a parted? 429 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they were gonna like take us straight 430 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: back to our prisence, but they didn't. That night, we 431 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: we stepped back in the safe house again and we. 432 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 1: Talked and it was hard. I did feel like I 433 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: see my brothers like saying like. 434 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: Oh, well, what did we expect, like a little more 435 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: hard about it or stronger about it? And I felt 436 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: foken and it was hardly thinking that I was gonna 437 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: be away in my gay When the judge sentence was 438 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: sentence uh me and my brother to fourteen years. 439 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, I I. 440 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 4: Was hurt for my family because I did think about Samuelpool. 441 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: I guess I was wrong. 442 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 4: I guess Chapel wasn't as a farm, you know, as 443 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 4: John Gotti. 444 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 6: After they were sentenced, Jay and Pete were once again separated. 445 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 6: They were sent to different prisons at opposite ends of 446 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 6: the country to serve out the rest of their time. 447 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 6: Did it change anything for you when you did go 448 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 6: back to the prison. 449 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: Of course it did. I felt different that first day. 450 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 2: I'll never forget, Like riding back at the prison. There's 451 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 2: like three phone balls, like you know, and they're like 452 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: glass phone balls in the prison. I remember like sitting 453 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: in the middle one and I could see like the 454 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: courtyard kind like from the windows, like everyone knew. And 455 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: when I got back, like to court and they know 456 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: what's going on. Everyone just kind of like game in 457 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: my space. And I remember just breaking down on the 458 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: phone and feeling so like her for her, like yeah, 459 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: like what you say to your family when you say 460 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: to your wife they're doing waiting there for you to 461 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: come home and you can't come home. I can't explain 462 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 2: to your words what that feels like. Only did they 463 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: need you they're waiting for you, like literally like holding 464 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: their breath for you to come home. I remember just 465 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: thinking I could tell me about I tried my best. 466 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: I did everything I could, everything I could possibly do. 467 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: I did to make this easier house. And this is 468 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: as easy as it's gonna get. There's nothing else in 469 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: my mind I could have done at that time to 470 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: help my situation, you know, and I feel like I 471 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: had to live with that. 472 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 7: It was a snowy, cold, snow dy so all the 473 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 7: kids were were home. I remember I took them out 474 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 7: in the morning and they wanted to go out and 475 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 7: build snowman. And there was a couple of kids on 476 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 7: the black that would come in and play with them 477 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 7: in the front. So it was like it was not 478 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 7: good that they were home that day. We we came 479 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 7: in and we had like a little a lunch and 480 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 7: then we played games, and a family member there was 481 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 7: with me, Thank God for her. And you know, I 482 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 7: remember Valerie texting me and telling me what was going on, 483 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 7: and my my husband's attorney was very much keeping me 484 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 7: updated and he didn't leave me in a dark at all, 485 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 7: So you know, I was grateful for that when I 486 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 7: heard that, you know, he got fourteen years. It was 487 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 7: it was it was it was hard. 488 00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: It was like. 489 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 7: It was like someone like I took all the wind 490 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 7: out of me. Yeah, I felt I felt defeated, you know, 491 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 7: I felt I felt I felt very much defeated, and 492 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 7: I felt that I let down the kids too, and 493 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 7: I felt let down. 494 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: I felt. 495 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 7: Angered and really regretful. I couldn't wait to talk to 496 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 7: him after I had my moment of madness. You know, 497 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 7: I kind of and I'm always good at that. I'll 498 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 7: be at I'll be super angried and then learn how 499 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 7: to just call myself and to soothe myself into back 500 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 7: into like reality. And I wanted him to call so bad. 501 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 7: When he got to the prison, he called me right 502 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 7: away and there was complete silence, like for five minutes. 503 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 7: It was just complete silence, and we were just crying 504 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 7: and incomplete silence. I think that we couldn't even think, 505 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 7: just the tears were just coming out. And when you 506 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 7: cry like that, I felt like that's just pain really 507 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 7: just built up inside. So you know, we did remind 508 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 7: each other, you know, I reminded him that we're going 509 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 7: to get through it, and we're going to be there 510 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 7: for each other. And you know this is not going 511 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 7: to change anything for us, and you know, I try 512 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 7: to reassure him as much as I could while I'm 513 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 7: reassuring myself, like letting myself know, like, yes, and you're 514 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 7: gonna get through it. You're gonna you're gonna be okay. 515 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 7: It's just it's just sad in that I just looked 516 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 7: at the kids and knew, like they're gonna be They're 517 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 7: gonna be teenagers by the time when I came home. 518 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 8: I know, me and vib are very shocked by the 519 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 8: fourteen years. And I feel like, you know, when they 520 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 8: went to prison, they turned themselves in and they sacrificed 521 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,719 Speaker 8: themselves to do the right thing and to go to prison. 522 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 8: I looked at them like they were so brave and 523 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 8: like they were like so courageous to do that, to 524 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 8: take a role that's never been walked before, and like 525 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 8: it's like a path to the unknown. And then all 526 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 8: of a sudden, it's like you know they're there and 527 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 8: they're in prison, and it's like we're like, okay, well, 528 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 8: I think in our mind we're like, okay, well, they 529 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 8: never killed anyone. They weren't violent, you know, they didn't 530 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 8: do drugs like they didn't drink like we would. You know, 531 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 8: they're they're justify we would justify like who they were 532 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 8: as men. They weren't womanizers. You know, they were great fathers, 533 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 8: they were great husbands. And I remember when Jay and 534 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 8: Peter coming back from sentencing, you know, I was devastating 535 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 8: with the fourteen years. I'm like, wait what And you know, 536 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 8: because I'm looking at it like other people who are 537 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 8: in the same prisons with them, you know, they have 538 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 8: all these bodies lined up, and I'm like, how does 539 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 8: that even like happen? Like how are they getting out? 540 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 8: And you got fourteen years? And Jay was like, you 541 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 8: know what, now we live in a bubble. We live 542 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 8: in a fucking bubble, Like this needs to stop. Like no, 543 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 8: When I was standing there in front of the judge 544 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 8: and he has his cloak on and he's sitting up 545 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 8: and you see the American flag in the background, you 546 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 8: see how power fool he is, he said, I felt 547 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 8: fear and I realized at that point, like, no, we 548 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 8: were selling drugs. What we did was wrong. 549 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: And I remember that everybody would always tell you these 550 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 2: prison stories about what they say about prison, and they'll 551 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 2: tell you that the old timers have been in there 552 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: for twenty five years and thirty years. 553 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: You know that they would always explain to the. 554 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: New inmates that that there's two kinds of inmates, the 555 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: ones who told and the ones who wish they told, 556 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 2: and that would think about it. And I thought that 557 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 2: I didn't leave nothing on the table, like I gave 558 00:34:50,760 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 2: it up my own. And it's weird because that was 559 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 2: a victory no matter what for me. You know, for me, 560 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: I couldn't have a release date. 561 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: That weekend. 562 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: They you know, they put me in the sugaring you know, 563 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: for safety reason, so I didn't feel gay. 564 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 6: Six months after the twins were sentenced, there was a 565 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 6: surprise in store for Jay and Pete, and it wasn't 566 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 6: a good one. 567 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: I was leaning myself. 568 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 2: They opened up the submorbers early that got five am exactly, 569 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 2: and one of the guys that messed with he came 570 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: and he was like I could tell he hadn't even 571 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: been to sleep. 572 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: He like matting my door. He opens him. Hey, Pete, Pete, 573 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: wake up. You know it's like, hey, fool travel scape. 574 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 2: Well yeah, manternal teens ill it like I see it 575 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 2: in the bottom line, and I'm like, get the no 576 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: fucking Way he escaped, Like you're like, like, for. 577 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: Real, man, turn the TV up. 578 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: I turned the TV on. It's a Saturday morning, and 579 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 2: I ain't seen the bottom line. This is fucking tumble. 580 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: It was in a drug lord or whatever last see then, 581 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 2: So at Friday night, at whatever time it just was, 582 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 2: it just didn't feel real that this was happening, like Norway, 583 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: And I remember getting up and they don't turn out 584 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: phones on til like it seven o'clock or something. 585 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: Try. 586 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: I had to wait till the phones around, and I 587 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: remember calling Dad and I waking her up. 588 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: Like, hey, he escaped? Shit? Who went in Chapel shait? 589 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: What I remember it just watching. 590 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 9: The music late last night, Joaquin el Chapo Guzman broke 591 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 9: out of a maximum security prison about sixty miles from 592 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 9: Mexico City. 593 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 2: Everyone's watching, everyone's like coming back. You see chap escape, 594 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 2: And it was like unbelievable that they were really reporting that. 595 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: When you think about a situation, you know the story 596 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 2: behind these kind of people's that they do these crazy 597 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 2: things because they believe they could do it. They believe 598 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 2: they could do the impossible things. And evil genius is 599 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 2: still a genius. Like I don't care how you put 600 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 2: it like, and then they got he got the boss 601 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 2: that even attempt it, and you know, he got nothing 602 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 2: to lose, And I could see why he does that. 603 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 2: You know, you know, mindset, well, you got nothing to lose, 604 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: you're gonna you might as well, you know, take the 605 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 2: half court shot, swimming for the home run like you're down, 606 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 2: you know, you might as well try. You know that 607 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 2: little saying that comes to mind that they say that 608 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 2: you miss one hundred percent of the shots you don't take, 609 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 2: and when you have nothing to lose, And I've felt 610 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 2: like that before, like being your kid and and. 611 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: Like I have nothing to lose. What like, what's the 612 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: worst to get happen? 613 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 2: You know, at that time, I was like, I'm younger, 614 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 2: i haven't really lived much, I'm naive, and I'm they're 615 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 2: probably the wisdom, you know, real wisdom at that time. 616 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 12: You know, just when you said that it may have 617 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 12: been caught, right, you're right, But the majority of people 618 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 12: would think, now that's not one. It's not gonna workt 619 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 12: until I'm going to get caught, And they wouldn't even try. 620 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 12: The majority of people even try because they write themselves 621 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 12: off before they even try and do something and. 622 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 2: That's why I could relate to it because I feel like, 623 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: if you know, if I came to someone in my 624 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 2: own life and say, look, you know, i've sold over 625 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 2: one hundred thirty tons of cocain. 626 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm a wanton person. 627 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: You know. 628 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: My brother and I have been on the run for years, and. 629 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 2: What if I attempted to do this, this, this, this, 630 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 2: and that they would be like, you're fucking crazy for 631 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 2: even trying it. To see the genius of some of 632 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 2: the people we thought with and the things they do 633 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 2: to be successful, it's amazing, okay. And I feel like 634 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 2: those are the kind of people that make great things happen. 635 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 7: You know. 636 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 2: I wish that they could be brought into some of 637 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 2: these legit the legit world, into the legitimate enterprises and 638 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 2: see what they could do. 639 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 6: This is not the first time El Chapo has escaped 640 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 6: from prison, nor is it the first time he's escaped 641 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 6: from this particular prison, El Altiplano, a maximum security prison 642 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 6: east of Mexico City. Back in two thousand and one, 643 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 6: El Chapo bribed multiple prison offices to wheel him out 644 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 6: in a laundry cart. This time, he escaped through a 645 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 6: mile long tunnel, but it wasn't just any old tunnel. 646 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 6: Hiding below Chapo shower in his cell was a three 647 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 6: story deep hole and it was a ladder that he 648 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 6: used to climb down into the tunnel. 649 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 13: You know, he was literally in a well fortified, constructed 650 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 13: prison designed to prevent such an escape. They didn't anticipate 651 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 13: him coming from underground, so. 652 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 14: That's exactly what he did. Almost from the moment he 653 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 14: was delivered here to Altiplano Prison. In February twenty fourteen, 654 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 14: a construction crew from his Sena Low cartel began digging 655 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 14: a tunnel to free him. 656 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 6: El Chappo's exact location was known because a smart watch 657 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,879 Speaker 6: with the GPS was smuggled to him. The tunnel dig 658 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 6: was coordinated by el Chappo's wife, Emma Coronel Iesboro, and 659 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 6: his four sons, and it took around a year. It 660 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 6: was a well engineered tunnel that even included lighting and ventilation. 661 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 6: After el Chappo climbed down the ladder, he got onto 662 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 6: a motorbike attached to a track and was then pulled 663 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 6: to the end using an elaborate pulley system. Within a week, 664 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 6: he was back in Sineloa, relaxing in his palatial home 665 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 6: with his family and Almayo, the other leader of the cartel. 666 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 2: As a time, close by Is said that he escaped 667 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 2: from my malon tunnel. You're like, what's like, what's next? 668 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 4: My next thing is that they're really not going to 669 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 4: catch him next time, like that they they're not going 670 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 4: to catch up, Like look what he did to this game. 671 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 6: Surviving l Chapo The Twins Who Brought Down a Drug 672 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 6: Lord Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty cent Jackson 673 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 6: and me Charlie Webster, Produced by myself and Jackson mcclennan, 674 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 6: Assistant producer and research support by Katie Hurtz. Edit and 675 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 6: sound designed by Nico Polella. Theme music and original score 676 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 6: by Ryan Sorenson. 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