1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Hey, Haunted Roadies, I know you like spooky stuff, That's 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: why you're here, But have you taken it a step 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: further and joined the Paranormal Circle yet? The Paranormal Circle 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: is an online community that I created for all of 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: us ghost nerds. It focus on ghosts, hauntings, paranormal investigations, research, 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: you name it. So whether you're a casual ghost story 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: lover or a full on paranormal enthusiast, I know you're 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: going to love the Circle. 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So please check it out. 30 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: Join us if you dare. We'll see you out there. 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, Haunted Roadies. Two decades ago, I was getting 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: ready to investigate a dream location, a place that had 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: been on my bucket list four years, a place I 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: had visited many times during the day, but the whole 35 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: time longed to return at night. Somehow, my team and 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: I had this place basically to ourselves. We were entrusted 37 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 2: with the keys to the kingdom, as they say. This 38 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: massive old mansion has tours during the day, with costumed 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: guides taking tourists through its many halls. The sun was 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: going down and the place had been closed for hours. 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: But as I was bringing my equipment in, there was 42 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: who I believed to be one of those costumed docents 43 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: scurrying across the lawn like she had some place to be. 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: In her gray dress and bonnet, she looked quite at 45 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: home in her surroundings. But I knew they had gotten 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: off work hours ago, so I went to my other 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: team members and let them know what I'd seen, afraid 48 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: perhaps that she could contaminate our investigation. A quick call 49 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: to security confirmed what we had thought originally. There were 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: no employees there other than a few security folks. Definitely 51 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: no one still in costume. So who had I seen 52 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: walking across the lawn that evening? Let's find out? Shall 53 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: we join me Haunted roadies as we visit the infamous 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: Winchester Mystery House. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. 55 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: A very unique house sits in San Jose, California, about 56 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: an hour south of San Francisco. It's called the Winchester 57 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: Mystery House, and it's a Queen Anne Revival style mansion, 58 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: albeit with some Romanesque and Gothic features. The yellow home 59 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: has red roofs that ascend into peaks and conical turrets. 60 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: If you're a Disney fan, you might think it looks 61 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: a lot like their Haunted Mansion attraction, which is fair. 62 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: This real home was an inspiration for the ride, and 63 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: as striking as it looks from the outside, the inside 64 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: of the Winchester Mystery House is truly bizarre. Some of 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: its one hundred and sixty rooms are dark and stuffy, 66 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: others are airy, with big windows to let in the sunlight. Windows, mirrors, 67 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: and doors sit in unexpected places or hang at odd angles. 68 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: The roof is partially made of glass. Additionally, many of 69 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: the windows aren't shaped like a traditional four panel square, 70 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: but like a spider web. But it's not the decor 71 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: that gives Winchester its reputation, it's the layout. It sprawls 72 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: across twenty four thousand square feet and features hallways that 73 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: lead nowhere and doors that open to solid walls. This 74 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: makes the home maze like and disorienting. Some people have 75 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 2: even said it feels bigger on the inside than on 76 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: the outside. The number thirteen seems to be important here. 77 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: There's a staircase with thirteen steps, a window with thirteen 78 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: panes of glass, and a ceiling with thirteen panels. For 79 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: nearly one hundred and forty years, people have speculated about 80 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: why the house is like this. The truth is the 81 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: history of the Winchester Mystery House is inextricably tied up 82 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: with the woman who designed and built it, Sarah Winchester. 83 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: She was born in eighteen thirty nine in Connecticut, and 84 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: even before Sarah had taken her first breath, tragedy struck 85 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: her family. Her parents had previously given birth to another girl, 86 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: also named Sarah. That girl died before her second birthday, 87 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: and the younger Sarah was named for her deceased sister. 88 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: Despite the early loss, Sarah grew up in a large, 89 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 2: wealthy family. She was well educated and known for her beauty, 90 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: and when she was in her early twenties, she married 91 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: a man named William Winchester. William was rich in his 92 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 2: own right. He was also the son of a gun 93 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: manufacturer whose company made the Winchester rifle. It wasn't the 94 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 2: only source of income for William, but it ensured he 95 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: and his wife would never want for anything, at least 96 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: nothing that could be bought with money. William and Sarah's 97 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: marriage was loving, but also marked with more tragedies. Their 98 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: first and only child, Annie, died in eighteen sixty six 99 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: when she was barely a month old. William and Sarah 100 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: were devastated by the loss and coped by designing and 101 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: building a home together in New Haven, Connecticut. They both 102 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: appreciated architecture and enjoyed this kind of work, so the 103 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: project gave them a reason to get out of bed 104 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: each day. Years later, Sarah lost her mother in May 105 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: of eighteen eighty and in December of that same year, 106 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: William's father passed. Sadly, William only outlived his father by 107 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: about three more months. In March of eighteen eighty one, 108 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: he died of tuberculosis. He was only forty three years old. 109 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: After his passing, Sarah inherited half of his firearms company, 110 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: as well as his family fortune, and once again Sarah 111 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: had to cope with her grief. 112 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: But now she. 113 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: Didn't have William to lean on anymore. She never stopped mourning, 114 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: and she spent the rest of her life wearing black 115 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: clothes and a veil every single day. It probably didn't 116 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: help that three years later, in eighteen eighty four, Sarah 117 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: suffered another untimely loss. This time it was her oldest sister, Mary, 118 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: who succumbed to an illness. By now, Sarah was in 119 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: her mid forties and she'd lost her mother, her husband, 120 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: her sister, and her only child. It was time for 121 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: a fresh start, and she moved to California with her 122 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: surviving siblings. This was also when she returned to the 123 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: hobby that had given her such relief during an earlier 124 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: period of mourning. Home design and construction. In eighteen eighty six, 125 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: Sarah bought a small, eight room farmhouse in what's now 126 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: San Jose. It was far too modest for her. She 127 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: hoped to share the home with all three of her 128 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: sisters and their families, so she hired a construction team 129 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: to expand the home, and even after her sisters made 130 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: separate living arrangements, she kept renovating. Sarah called the property 131 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: yonada villa, translated into an English that means house on 132 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: flat land, but of course it would later be known 133 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: as the Winchester Mystery House. Right off the bat, Sarah 134 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: broke with convention. First, she hired two different architects, but 135 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: ultimately let them both go so she could design the 136 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: house for herself. It was very unusual for women to 137 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: do architectural work in the eighteen hundreds, so this certainly 138 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: turned some heads. According to Elizabeth Savoda of Atlas Obscura. 139 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: Sarah was also an unusually good boss. 140 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: She paid her. 141 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: Workers well and gave them frequent breaks. This may have 142 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: been because she suffered from rheumatoid arthritis, which left her 143 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: feeling exhausted all of the time. She also sympathized with 144 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: her employees and ensured that they had a chance to 145 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: rest and recover every time she needed to step back 146 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: from her own responsibilities. Sarah's rheumatoid arthritis also made it 147 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: difficult for her to walk up and down standard size stairs. 148 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: She designed her home staircases to be shallower than usual. 149 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: She also rarely interacted with anyone but her construction crews 150 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: and family because her condition made it painful for her 151 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: to get around town. All to say, Sarah's choices had 152 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: logic to them, but her neighbors and other people in 153 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: her community weren't privy to these details about her personal life. 154 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: They knew Sarah as a mysterious recluse. They also noticed 155 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: that by eighteen ninety six, the home was still under construction, 156 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: fully ten years after she'd begun. The renovation project. By 157 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: now Yanata Villa was several stories high. Sarah had also 158 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: added a seven story tower then Once it was finished, 159 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: she decided she didn't like it and ordered it to 160 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: be torn down and rebuilt, except then she didn't like 161 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: the second version of the tower or the third. According 162 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: to a newspaper from the time, it took sixteen tries 163 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: before the construction crews got the tower just right, and 164 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: that situation wasn't unique. According to author Mary Joe Ignoffo, 165 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: Sarah had several rooms torn down and rebuilt to ensure 166 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: they matched her specifications. Eccentricities like these ensured that rumor 167 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: and speculation flew. It was only a matter of time 168 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 2: before people theorized that the ongoing expansions and renovations were 169 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: a cult in nature. Some believed that Sarah was building 170 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: without ceasing to work out guilty feelings. She may have 171 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: been troubled by the fortune her husband had left her, 172 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: specifically because he'd made so much of his money selling 173 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: Winchester rifles. As the story went, Sarah was also an 174 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: avid spiritualist who often hosted seances in her home. During 175 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: one of those sessions, a medium supposedly told her that 176 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: she'd lost her husband and daughter because gun sales had 177 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: brought a curse down on her family. Now the ghost 178 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: of every person who'd ever been killed by a Winchester 179 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: rifle had come to haunt Sarah as well. She needed 180 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: to keep making the house larger and larger to appease 181 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: all of the lost souls. If she ever finished construction 182 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: or stopped the work, they would kill her too. According 183 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: to Mitch Goth of Haunted Us, Sarah hosted even more 184 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: seances to consult with the ghosts about what structural changes 185 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: she should make. Another rumor said that ghosts couldn't be satisfied, 186 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: only avoided, so Sarah intentionally made her home huge and 187 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: maze like to make it harder for the specters to 188 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: find her. She also supposedly slept in a different bedroom 189 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: every night, just to stay one step ahead of the spirits. 190 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: By this time in her life, Sarah was very reclusive. 191 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: She never entertained guests and rarely appeared in public. 192 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: She also never. 193 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: Confirmed or denied any of the speculation, so it's hard 194 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: to know if there was any truth to these rumors. 195 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: That said, it was quite common for wealthy women at 196 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: the time to host seances, and firearms were already controversial 197 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: even in those days, so it is quite possible that 198 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: a medium could have come to Sarah's home and warned 199 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: her about the spiritual dangers associated with her family fortune. However, 200 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: there's no hard evidence that Sarah ever hosted a seance 201 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: at Yanatavilla, nor did she ever give any indication that 202 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: she felt guilty about her association with the Winchester rifle. 203 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 2: Whatever her reasons, Sarah continued expanding the house until disaster struck. 204 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: On April eighteenth, nineteen oh six, a massive earthquake shook 205 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: San Francisco and the surrounding area. This included San Jose, 206 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: where Yanata Villa was standing. There's no record of where 207 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: Sarah was that day, but rumor suggests she was at 208 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: the Mystery House when the quake hit. The seven story 209 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: tower collapsed, as did several of the upper floors. It's 210 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: hard to estimate the extent of the damage because there 211 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: are no blueprints showing the house's original layout, but the 212 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: destruction was unquestionably intensive. As the story goes, Sarah supposedly 213 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: became trapped in the room known as the Daisy Bedroom. 214 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: Although she repeatedly called for help and rang a bell 215 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: to notify her staff that she was in trouble, it 216 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: took them hours to find her, since Sarah slept in 217 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: a different room every night. They had no idea where 218 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: she could have been at the time of the tremor. 219 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: Luckily for Sarah, she survived the disaster and made it 220 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: out alive. Sadly, her home was badly damaged. She ordered 221 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: several crumbling wings and whole stories to be walled off. 222 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: Those areas were never repaired, and after the earthquake, the 223 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: construction work as a whole ceased. 224 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: It's possible this is the true. 225 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: Reason for the Mystery House's current doorways and hallways to nowhere. 226 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: They might not have been built on purpose. Instead, they 227 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: were left to sit unrepaired in the aftermath of the earthquake. 228 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: But again it's hard to say for sure, because after 229 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: the disaster, more and gossip plagued Sarah. Now People whispered 230 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 2: that she was mentally unstable and obsessed with the apocalypse. 231 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: Others said the earthquake was a sign that restless spirits 232 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: were unhappy with her continued renovations. Whatever the truth lay, 233 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: Sarah spent less time at Nada Villa. However, she was 234 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: there on September fifth, nineteen twenty two. That's when she 235 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: passed away at the age of eighty three, The Winchester 236 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: Mystery House sold right away after her death, Even though 237 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: appraiser said it had no monetary value whatsoever, the new 238 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: owners saw its potential. Though by this time the house 239 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: was already rumored to be haunted. Many thought that the 240 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: stories of Sarah hiding from the ghosts of the Winchester 241 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: Rifle victims had a ring of authenticity, whether they were 242 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: true or not, and by summer nineteen twenty three, the 243 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: new owners were marketing it as a haunted house and 244 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: offering tours to their customers. In October ninth, teen twenty four, 245 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: Harry Houdini himself visited. Now Houdini was there to investigate 246 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: not because he believed it was haunted, but because he 247 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,119 Speaker 2: wanted to debunk the rumors. But according to the Winchester 248 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: Mystery House website, he left the house feeling conflicted about 249 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: whatever he had experienced there. These days, tourists are still 250 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: allowed to walk through the home and explore its mysteries 251 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: for themselves. Time magazine considers it one of the top 252 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: ten most haunted places. 253 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: In the whole world. 254 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: Numerous visitors claim they felt a presence in the home, 255 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: a friendly one that said some staffers and tourists flat 256 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: out refused to go into certain rooms. That includes the 257 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: so called Witch's Cap, which is in the South Turret. 258 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: It's not easy to get there. Visitors have to go 259 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: through a cluttered attic and a narrow hallway that's only 260 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: five feet tall. Eventually they'll reach a wooden, circular room 261 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: that's supposed to be a hotbed for supernatural incidents. The 262 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: Daisy Bedroom is also highly active. That is the room 263 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: where Sarah reportedly got trapped during the nineteen oh six earthquake, 264 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: and to this day, cracks from the tremor are. 265 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: Visible in the walls. 266 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: Cameras don't always work properly in the Daisy Bedroom. That's 267 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: according to Kathy Alexander of Legends of America. She also 268 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: wrote that when visitors do manage to snap a picture, 269 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: they'll often end up with a strange looking photo of 270 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: a blurry, white, unidentifiable entity. Shadow figures have also appeared 271 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: in this room, as have cold spots elsewhere in the home. 272 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: People can hear disembodied footsteps, whispers and voices, and distant 273 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: piano music. Doors open and close on their own, and 274 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: sometimes the home fills with the scent of a freshly 275 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: cooked meal even though no one is using the kitchen. 276 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: Many reports feature a mustached specter known as Clyde. He's 277 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: said to be one of the construction workers who helped 278 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: build Yanata Villa, and to this day, his spirit still 279 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: hauls wheelbarrows of coal around or tries to fix the 280 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 2: fireplace in the ballroom. Clyde wears white coveralls and sometimes 281 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: has a Victorian era hat over his black hair. When 282 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: he notices that tourists have spotted him, he usually gives 283 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: a friendly nod before getting back to work, and a 284 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: few eagle eyed guests have seen a very slim four 285 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: foot ten inch woman dressed all in black. She's thought 286 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: to be Sarah Winchester herself. The Winchester Mystery House website 287 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: says that Sarah can be spotted wandering the halls, looking 288 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: out windows, and occasionally visiting the gardens, all things that 289 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: she likely. 290 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: Did in life as well. 291 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 2: Apparently, it's not only the house that's haunted, but the 292 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: objects within it. Over the years, different guests and tourists 293 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: stole nick knacks and small items during their visits, and 294 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: regularly these sticky fingered individuals would suffer from bad luck afterward, 295 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: until eventually they'd mailed the stolen object back to Yanadavia. 296 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: Hoping for relief. 297 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: To talk about all this history and all these stories. 298 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: Up next, we're going to be talking to my dear 299 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: friend Aiden Sinclair, who worked at the Mystery House for years. 300 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 2: He's got some really great stories to tell, and that 301 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 2: is coming up after the break. So now I am 302 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: joined by one of my very good friends, mister Aiden Sinclair. 303 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: This is not his first time to the show. He is. 304 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 2: I guess you're a resident magician at the Stanley Hotel 305 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: and you had an affiliation with the Winchester House for 306 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 2: a long time, So what happened there? 307 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been really lucky to get to kind of 308 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 3: perform and investigate at probably the three most famous haunted 309 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: places in the US, being the Stanley Hotel, the Queen Mary, 310 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: and the Winchester Mystery House, which is really kind of cool, 311 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 3: you know, it's like a nice thing to have in 312 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: your portfolio. But we did shows for the Winchester Mystery 313 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: House for about three years, and we actually did their 314 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 3: first public paranormal investigation there as well, and that was 315 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 3: pre COVID back and I think in twenty twenty we 316 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: got to do that brought in twenty people who got 317 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 3: to have the experience, and it's just an immensely fascinating 318 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: place and really really cool and obviously amazing history. 319 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've actually investigated there and it's been many, 320 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: many years. 321 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: It's funny. 322 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: I think I investigated their pre TV and everything, and 323 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 2: it was kind of when there was still kind of 324 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: a novelty to a paranormal team asking to come into 325 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: a location, and one of our team members actually worked there, 326 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 2: and so we were able to go in and investigate 327 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: a couple of times and it was super interesting. It's 328 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: hard not to like be distracted by your surroundings the 329 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: whole time because there's just so much to look at. 330 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: And so now I do just want to say, I 331 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: want to preface this before we get too far into this, 332 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: because I did mention that you are a magician, a 333 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: very skilled one at that, but you're also very much 334 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: on the level when it comes to like paranormal activity. 335 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: Like I trust you immensely. I don't think you're you know, 336 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: conjuring spirits as they say, you know what I mean, 337 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: You're very respectful of the paranormal and so I just 338 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: wanted to put that out there Aidan is awesome and 339 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: I love how much you incorporate just in your act 340 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: in general spiritualism and seances and it's just really stunning stuff. 341 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: So if you ever have the chance to see Aidan, 342 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: please do. We'll talk more about it at the end, 343 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: but anyway, so you get the chance to kind of 344 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 2: run these public investigations at the house. Now before you 345 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: even started doing that, like, what were some of the 346 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: things that you either knew happened there or you experiences 347 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: yourself in the location. 348 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 3: Well, we on our very first trip up there, there 349 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: is this It's one of those things where you see 350 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: shadows out of the corner of your eye, you know, 351 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: where like you definitely feel somebody there, and then you 352 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: turn in it's empty space and you get that feeling 353 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 3: a lot of being watched, which is really uncanny. You know, 354 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: it makes your hair stand up on your neck. And 355 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 3: there's this amazing history of things just being moved, you know, 356 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: not in a poltergeisty way, not in a bad way, 357 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 3: and there's definitely this presence that's there. The first trip there, 358 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: we just always had that feeling of where we went 359 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: in the house like somebody was with you. And learning 360 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: the history of Sarah. To me, it became really kind 361 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: of it felt a lot like I don't think Sarah's there, 362 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: but I think all the people who took care of 363 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: Sarah are very much still there taking care of her, 364 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: if that makes any sense. You know, her staff was 365 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: really loyal to or they were very protective of her. 366 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: I think when that's part of somebody's essence in life, 367 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: that maybe that hangs around afterwards, you know, and that 368 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: especially with all the traffic and kind of the exploitation 369 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: of the place, I think that that makes them stay, 370 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 3: you know, and makes them feel like they have to 371 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: be protective and present. 372 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: That's something to kind of talk about. 373 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: Do you think that, like the kind of the exploitation 374 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: of her story in general, do you think that that 375 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: adds to the activity. Do you think that's one of 376 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: the reasons why things happen there? 377 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: I think it does. I think it's fascinating that, you know, 378 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: the paranormal teams that tend to be more shall we 379 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: say aggressive, or you know, they kind of they could 380 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 3: be kind of provocative when they go places, you know, 381 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: and their their tonality is much darker. You know, that's 382 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: always is there a demon here? You know that stuff. 383 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: I think when that stuff goes into the house, I 384 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: don't think the provocation generates in interactions, but I think 385 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: there's a dislike for that, you know what I mean 386 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: of that's not what we are and that's not what 387 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 3: this is. And I think that stimulates some activity in 388 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: a way that is not necessarily good, because I think 389 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 3: some people will go and go, well, if you provoke 390 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: the ghost, maybe you get a response, but that would 391 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: be like somebody coming into your house and being rude, 392 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: and of course you're going to respond in a rude way. 393 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: So I don't know. I feel kind of the people 394 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: there are. I think all the traffic there gives purpose 395 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 3: to the entities there, if that makes any sense, Like 396 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 3: they have a reason to stay there. 397 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: It sounds very personal, and you know, I think that 398 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: a lot of hauntings are kind of personal like that, 399 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: like they feel an obligation. Now when people are doing 400 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: public investigations there, I'm sure when you guys ran those, 401 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 2: you obviously asked for them to be very respectful and whatnot, 402 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: Like what kind of things happened during these investigations Regularly. 403 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 3: We had some really cool direct conversational K two interaction 404 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 3: there and Estes sessions there were really powerful. The Estas 405 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: method is something that I just love because it's just 406 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: so clean in the sense that you know, you have 407 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 3: somebody in headphones and they're blind and they can't hear 408 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: anything and they can't see anything, and when you get 409 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 3: intelligent responses, it's just fascinating, you know, to watch that 410 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: experience take place. And Esta's sessions there were really kind 411 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: of responsive so long as the questioning was respectful and courteous. 412 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: We always use the present tense, and we never said Sarah. 413 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: We'd always say, is miss Winchester? You know, you try 414 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: to keep the formality of the time, and those seem 415 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 3: to genuate generate really good conversational responses in Estes. Anytime 416 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 3: we would ask if Miss Winchester was in the house, 417 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: we would get very definitive no, she's away, And that's 418 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 3: kind of a cool response to get, you know, from 419 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: someone who can't hear that question. Very direct conversational responses 420 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: of do you take care of her? Yes? Do you 421 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 3: take care of the house? Yes? And I think it's 422 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: fascinating that most of the apparitions that have been kind 423 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: of seen or witnessed in the house tend to be workmen, 424 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: you know, people that are building and working on the house, 425 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: or people that are in period clothing that you know, 426 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 3: are women dressed as servants, not as not as you know, 427 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: modern day people. So that's kind of fascinating. 428 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: That was my experience there. So this was this was 429 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: so many years ago, but we got there after hours 430 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: and everything was closed and I'll never forget like I 431 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: saw a woman kind of like walking across the grounds 432 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: area and this was in the evening hours, like kind 433 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: of you know, dusk, you know, not super dark yet, 434 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: and I remember just going, oh my god, I thought 435 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: everyone was gone. I didn't know there were still employees here. 436 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: And someone said, no, everyone's gone, and I you know, 437 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: that was one time where like you wouldn't even know 438 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: if you were there during the day and you were 439 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: touring and you saw someone like that, you would just 440 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: assume they were part of the staff. And so it 441 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: makes you wonder, like how many people just kind of 442 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: traverse those halls and kind of go about their tours 443 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 2: and see someone and go, oh, wow, that's a very 444 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: clever cosplay happening, you know, but it's actually they've witnessed 445 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 2: a full bodied apparition and. 446 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: It happens a lot there with the staff, Like the 447 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 3: staff see people all the time there and not they 448 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: don't see you know, transparent ghosty things. They see people. 449 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 3: And then they disappeared. 450 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, no, this looked like a solid woman. 451 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: Like I was just very much convinced that someone had 452 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: stayed behind. But it also didn't make sense because they 453 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: had been closed for hours, and so my brain was, like, 454 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: they've been closed for hours, why would there still be 455 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: someone scurrying around here in a costume? And so that's 456 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 2: why I asked, or you know, maybe it was someone 457 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: playing a practical joke on us or something, because it 458 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: was kind of in the earlier days. But it's still 459 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: stuck with me. I cannot, of course say for sure 460 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: that was a ghost, but it was very very strange. 461 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 2: But I do think that's interesting because they it's the 462 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: difference there is that there were people working on that 463 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: building consistently for so long that like it might not 464 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: even be their full kind of you know, consciousness there, 465 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 2: Like it could just be like they toiled and they 466 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 2: worked and they felt so they felt this sense of 467 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: like pride and obligation to the building. Like it's almost 468 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 2: like that essence of them is still there. 469 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: If that makes sense, I know it does. 470 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 3: And there's there was staff that literally she you know, 471 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: built houses for and lived on the property and were 472 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: still alive after she passed, and within a year of 473 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: her passing, you know, the house was open to the public. 474 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: So those people were still there and started to see 475 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 3: that traffic right away. You know, they were there to 476 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: see who dedie come in and do a say, you know, 477 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: And now all of that had to feel pretty disrespectful 478 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 3: to somebody that you love and cherish and take care of. 479 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden, you know, this house 480 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: they created is a spectacle. I also think it's fascinating 481 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: that a lot of people get so fixated on the 482 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: house that a lot of people aren't aware that, like, 483 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 3: she had another house and that house isn't weird, it's 484 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 3: you know, there are some motifs that transfer over. The 485 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: number thirteen was present in both houses, and spider webbing 486 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 3: and glasses you know, and is there. But it's a 487 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: normal house. There's not doors to know where the construction 488 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: didn't continue. She also had a house boat that she 489 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: spent a lot of time on, perfectly normal, you know, 490 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: So it's this idea that she just stayed in this 491 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: house and never left it, and you know, the spirits 492 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: made her keep building. I think that's it's a great story. 493 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 3: But I think if you take a step back and 494 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: you look at her story, you know, people deal with 495 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 3: grief in different ways, and for me was Sarah. I 496 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: think the focus of building that house, like she would 497 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: build a room and when it was done, undo it 498 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: and do it again. You know. So I think if 499 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 3: you could dedicate one hundred percent of your attention and 500 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: time into a project, you're not thinking about the daughter 501 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: and the husband that you lost, and you know that's 502 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: the house. To me, really is this exercising grief of 503 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 3: like how do I how do I not think about that? 504 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: You know, let me let me just focus on something. 505 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: Which is honestly kind of a more fascinating aspect to 506 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: it as far as like activity. You know, when you 507 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: have someone pouring, like when a project becomes when a 508 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: project becomes their coping mechanism, Like what happens at that 509 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: point to that project? You know, did you find that 510 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: when you investigated if you referred to it, you know 511 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: as the original house name Yonadavilla, did it get more results? 512 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: Because a lot of people don't even refer that name. 513 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: Ever, it did so long as we kept everything in period, 514 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: it was great. Well was fascinating is that as soon 515 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: as we had. Of course, when people are on a 516 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: public investigation, they you know, they don't do this all 517 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: the time. It might be the one time that they 518 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: actually get to investigate, so they're they're not always as 519 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 3: focused in the method, I guess. So you'll kind of 520 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 3: teach people like, hey, try to keep things period specific, 521 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: try to keep things in the present tense. But inevitably 522 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: someone would be like, what do you think about all 523 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: these cars and everything stops? Yeah, it just stops. You know. 524 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 3: Anytime somebody brought up death in the house, activity stopped. 525 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 3: You know, somebody would be like, oh, did you die here? 526 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: That's it, We're done. 527 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that happens a lot on a lot of hauntings. 528 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: You're like, do you think that's really what they want 529 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: to talk about? Yeah, you know, it's you know, it 530 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: doesn't it's so easy to kind of fall back on that, 531 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: but it's also like, once you really think about it, 532 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: and sense says, maybe we need to kind of expand 533 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: the conversation here, let's talk about the items in the house, 534 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: I don't remember off the top of my head. Like 535 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: it seems like there's a lot of artifacts there. A 536 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: lot are most of them original to Sarah. 537 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: It's a mix. When she passed a lot of the 538 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: property was stripped from the house and sold off, and 539 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 3: then some other people came in and tried to recover it. 540 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: One of the things that is on site is the 541 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: bed that she passed away in is still there right. 542 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 3: A lot of obviously, all the furnishings, the doors and fixtures, 543 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 3: the stairs, all of that is all original. But the 544 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: interior property when you go there now, most of the 545 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: furniture that you see in the house is period stuff 546 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 3: that's been replaced. The things that are original are mostly 547 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 3: you know, stained glass. One of the things that's really 548 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: special to me is the Winchester House gave us a 549 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: gift of some original pieces of the house. 550 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: Wow. 551 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 3: So hanging in the underground that the stanley is a 552 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: piece of the wall. It's a linn crusta wallpaper, one 553 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: of the original nails of the house. That's really cool, 554 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: and another piece of cornice tile work. So we have 555 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: that on display at the Stanley and it's just kind 556 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 3: of cool to have that history there. 557 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, what a special thing to have. I'm jealous. 558 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 3: It's really neat. There's a funny story to it. They 559 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: made thirteen of these displays when they filmed the Winchester movie, 560 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: and they made them for the cast and the directors 561 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: of the film, and of the thirteen that were given out, 562 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: eleven of them were returned. 563 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: Oh. They thought they were like haunted. 564 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: They said they had range activity and just didn't want 565 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 3: it around. 566 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: Wow, And You're like, yes please. 567 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well they were like, hey, you know, nobody seems 568 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: to want this, do you want it? I was like, 569 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: hell yeah, And we've never had We've never had any issues, Like, 570 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: we've never had anything weird happened around the things. But 571 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: I also think we treat them with a great deal 572 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 3: of respect, and you know, I think that matters. 573 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: You know, probably feels very at home in that space. 574 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: I mean that space that you've created in the underground. 575 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: It's probably the perfect place for it, honestly. 576 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. It's just it's neat too for when people visit 577 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: the Stanley to have these connections to other places. So 578 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 3: we have that and we have a little Teddy Bear 579 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 3: from the Queen Mary, so people get to kind of 580 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: vicariously visit other haunted locations when they come to see us. 581 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: So that's kind of fun of that. 582 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: Speaking of kind of artifacts is there, and did you 583 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: feel like there was ever any other than those, any 584 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: artifacts in the house that had activity around them. 585 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 3: Not really, It's more to me, it seemed more localized. 586 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 3: There's definitely a gentleman that's seen as a full body 587 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 3: apparition who is constantly in the basement. He's seen all 588 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: the time, always described in the same way. And what's 589 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 3: fascinating is it's usually not the staff that see him, 590 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: it's the tours that go through and they're like, oh, 591 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 3: I saw this guy down the hallway. I thought we 592 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 3: couldn't go down there, and then they described the guy 593 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: to a tour guide and they give an accurate description 594 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: of someone you know that is actually in a photograph 595 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 3: on property. So that's kind of cool, you know that 596 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: you it tends to be more about location than thing, 597 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 3: if that makes sense. 598 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: I was going to ask that, like, are there any 599 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 2: rooms that you feel like have more of a vibe 600 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: to them or more activity? 601 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, the basement definitely, and then upstairs there is a 602 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 3: room called the Widow's cap and that's actually where Houdini 603 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 3: did a seance right after Sarah had passed, about a 604 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 3: year after, so that's kind of got a cool vibe 605 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 3: to it, and it seems to have some activity up 606 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 3: there that there is this question of there have been 607 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: many mediums who have gone and done seances in that space, 608 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 3: so there's always this question of is is what's there 609 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: part of the house or have people invited things in 610 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 3: too much there? 611 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually wondering if that was an aspect 612 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: of the haunting there, like if just having I think 613 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: people think about the hauntings there so often, and you know, 614 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: some of these locations that are so notorious for being 615 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 2: haunted almost become beacons, you know. Do you think that's 616 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 2: kind of, you know, something that could be influencing activity there. 617 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 3: I think so, And I think a long time ago, 618 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 3: John Tenny, I think, was talking about how you know, 619 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 3: if ghosts are intelligent and they are people, and you 620 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 3: know that people go to certain locations to go to 621 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 3: talk to the dead, then maybe you go there. You 622 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 3: know that that's right. If I want to talk to 623 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 3: somebody and I'm not here then and I know that 624 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 3: people are going to these places, then maybe that's a 625 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: good place to be heard. So I think that's a 626 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 3: I think there's a valid theory there. You know. 627 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed that. I don't know if it's ever 628 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 2: the case. It doesn't sound like it at the Winchester House, 629 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: but like I've noticed that. You know, sometimes during investigations, 630 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: you'll be speaking with someone who seems like they might 631 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 2: be from, you know, another time period, and then suddenly 632 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: you've got some modern ghosts busting in and you're like, 633 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: where did you come from? 634 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: You know? 635 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's also like any place that 636 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 3: you know, anybody that becomes attached to it in life. 637 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 3: You know that there are people who love that house. 638 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 3: That's just their favorite place in the world. People get 639 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: married there, people have been engaged there that I mean, 640 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: it's a that I think also makes them places like 641 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 3: that they become touchdows, you know of you know, when 642 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 3: you when you pass on, maybe that's a thing that 643 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 3: you can go stay in your favorite memory. There's a 644 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,479 Speaker 3: lot of those memories there. 645 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: I love that. It's a It is a beautiful place. 646 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 2: I grew up, you know, in the Bay area nearby, 647 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: and so I got to visit a few times and 648 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 2: it was just a treat to be able to investigate it, 649 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: and I'm sure it was a real treat for you 650 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: to just be in there regularly. I'm very but you're 651 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: doing so much like let us like what is aid 652 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,720 Speaker 2: and up to these days. 653 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 3: Well, presently we have the Underground at the Stanley Hotel. 654 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: It is a underground kind of speakeasy theater at the 655 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 3: Stanley and we present shows there all year round during 656 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 3: the winter where they're Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and from 657 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 3: May through Halloween we're they are seven days a week 658 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 3: and we present theatrical Magic, which is their magic shows 659 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 3: that have a narrative and a story to them, and 660 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 3: they tend to dabble in the supernatural a little bit. 661 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 3: The current show running is called Fate and Futility and 662 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 3: it's really about the concept of fate and free will, 663 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 3: and you know, it delves into the tarot and a 664 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 3: lot of kind of mysticism in its presentation, so it's 665 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 3: really kind of a fun atmosphere to play. And we 666 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 3: also do a theatrical Sounce at the Stanley as well, 667 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 3: and presently my better half Beca is doing all the 668 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 3: paranormal investigating on the Queen Mary. She has a project 669 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 3: called the Great Ghost Project and they do public paranormal 670 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 3: investigations Friday through Sunday on the ship. 671 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. 672 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 2: I'm looking We're Strange Escapes is heading there in January, 673 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 2: which is not on the website yet. 674 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: I know everybody's very excited though. 675 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: And I'm really looking forward to working with her on that. 676 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 2: And I'm going back to the Stanley in October. They 677 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: hired me back this year, so i will see you 678 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 2: again in October, which I'm super stoked about. 679 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 3: Can't wait. We'll have more Mexican food. 680 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: That was awesome. I really know. 681 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 2: It's always nice to, you know, have margaritas before you're 682 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: supposed to go on stage. 683 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: Right. 684 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 2: Well, I super appreciate you taking the time. I know 685 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 2: you're getting over having the flu and I'm glad you're 686 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 2: on the mend and everyone I encourage you if you 687 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 2: have the chance to support whatever Aiden is doing. Like 688 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 2: I said, he's one of my dearest friends. I love 689 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 2: him a lot, and you will not be disappointed. And 690 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 2: thank you again, sir anytime. 691 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me until we meet again. 692 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 2: Throughout her life, Sarah Winchester was a very private person. 693 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 2: She didn't openly talk about why she designed her house 694 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: in the way that she did, or about much of 695 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 2: anything else. That led to unfounded gossip, which was so 696 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 2: widespread that it's almost impossible to get a sense of 697 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: who she really was. That said, perhaps today the truly 698 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 2: curious can visit the Winchester Mystery House and ask her 699 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 2: for themselves. I am Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. 700 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 2: Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and 701 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 2: Miles from Aaron Minkey. Haunted Road is hosted and written 702 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 2: by me Amy Bruney, with additional research by Cassandra de Alba. 703 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: This show is edited. 704 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 2: And produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with executive producers. 705 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Mank, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick. 706 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 2: Learn more about this show over at Grimandmild dot com, 707 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 2: and for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 708 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.