WEBVTT - A.J. Jacobs on A Clockwork Orange 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.920 Hey, folks, and welcome to Movie Crush. It's Chuck Bryant here, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.800 and I am in New York City. Actually, so I'm 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.600 not recording at our our lovely home base at Pond 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.920 City Market in Atlanta, but I am on tour with 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.480 Stuff you Should Know doing shows at the Bell House 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.120 in Brooklyn. And so while I was here, I thought, well, 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.760 I should really try and take advantage of the celebrity 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.120 of New York and get someone in here in a 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.680 in our partners studio here at c d M Studios, 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.280 and Mr A J. Jacob's acquiesced. He's uh, he's a pal. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.360 He's an email pal and a lunch in New York pal. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.120 He reached out just a couple of years ago as 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.560 a Stuff you Should Know listener, and um just a 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.720 super nice guy. A J. Is A is a book author, 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.120 and um, boy, how should I describe his books? He's 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.720 he's one of those guys that kind of goes deep 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.600 in his own life in order to write a book 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.679 about what he's doing. So, for instance, his great book 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.280 The Year of Living Biblically, he he lived according to 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.000 the Bible for a full year as strictly as possible, 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.000 which included everything from like wearing white all the time 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.560 to growing his beard out to ridiculous links, which I 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.319 know his family sort of enjoyed. And he's just a 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.280 great guy. So hit a j up in his favorite movie. Well, 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.880 actually his first pick was Groundhog Day, but that had 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.720 been used by Griffin McElroy. So he had a solid 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:54.400 backup plan with a clockwork orange, the Watershed monumental Stanley 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:59.560 Kubrick classic. And we had a really great conversation here 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.200 in New York about a clockwork orange. It was pretty 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.800 exciting for me. So here we go with a J. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:13.639 Jacobs and a clockwork orange. Are you native New Yorker? 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.360 I am? Okay, I thought, So where'd you grow up? 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.840 I grew up right here on the on the Upper 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.079 East Side, and there was a video store two blocks away, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:24.880 and uh and it was a good one. It was not. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.880 It was like they had a serious selection. And I 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:33.200 went every day and watched a movie after school every 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.720 day through in high school. So okay, starting in high school. Yeah, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.920 so I had and the pretentious ones too. They had 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.280 a lot of like far and they had like the 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.839 petite charm of the pourgeoisie or whatever it was. So 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:48.880 you got into good movies at a younger age. You 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.040 feel like, yeah, I'm not sure they were good, but 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:56.600 they were pretentious, critically acclaimed at least. Yeah, exactly about 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.000 my age, right, I'm forty nine, Okay, a couple of 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.440 years old during forty six. There you go. So it's 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.480 in the wheelhouse, It's in the And that is one 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.160 of the shocking things to me is watching these movies 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:11.080 as an older guy and revisiting some yeah, and just 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.639 how different it is. I mean, even like Ferris Bueller, 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:20.440 uh or Fast Times. I watched Fast Times recently. It 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.480 is a great movie. But I was watching and I 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.360 was like, Mr hand is talking about the Cuban Revolution, 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.640 and I'm like, tell me more. This sounds interesting. And 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:37.120 then Jeff Spiccauley Pizza comes in and I'm like, yeah, 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.120 what are you doing, you dick? Uh And I had 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.960 the same reaction. I watched Ferris Bueller with my kids 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.480 and uh, and Ben Stein was talking about like trickle 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.400 down economics, and I'm like, I want to hear it. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.840 First of all, Ben Stein is crazy, you know, he's 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.000 a crazy conservative. I want to hear his take on 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.840 trickle down economics. And uh, you know, the deal with 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.680 that scene was that he that was just him talking, Yeah, 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.760 because he wasn't an actor at the time. Um and 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.480 John Hughes. And the only reason I know this because 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.880 I was supposed to record yesterday with someone on Ferris 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.800 buell Er. So I've done my deep dive this week 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.600 on that. And um, John Hughes I think was a 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.159 conservative too, so they were friends. Yeah, which was sort 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.240 of sad for me to learn. I guess I don't 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.160 know what I expected, but um, yeah, So anyway, he 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.200 uh over or ben Stein was talking to some crew 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.960 members about that and he overheard it and he said, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.240 that's that's exactly what you need to do in the scene. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.799 That is funny And it wasn't some dead pan stick. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.600 It was just ben Stein that is, So I had 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:45.320 no idea. Yeah, well I do remember watching it with 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.200 my end when I was like the principal now or 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:53.840 is the vice principal whatever? Free Jones. Yeah, Like he 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.760 makes sense. I feel I've become. So I had the 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.080 same reaction with Cat and the Hat. You know, the 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.600 fish is the one who's like, what are you doing? Why? 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.800 Like you're you're letting this stranger into the house and 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.040 he's like causing chaos and you're not going to tell 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.279 your parents. I'm like, the fish is all right. So yeah, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.520 I've become very old. I've decided when you're identifying Mr Hand, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.760 then you know you've crossed the other side. I read Um. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.320 I reread Catcher in the Rye about every five or 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.960 six years since I was probably twenty um. And it's 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.000 just one of those books that I have done that 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.400 on purpose because I had heard that, like, your perspective 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.320 can switch on it, and yeah, I mean for sure. 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.760 I mean I don't know if it's switch so much. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.960 I mean definitely when you're younger. You know, there's a 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.280 little bit of the Holden Caulfield and many of us 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.080 the phonies of the world, but sometimes it's reinforced as 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.440 you get older, right right, you know, I haven't read it, 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:58.559 and since I was holding coff Field stage, i'd like, yeah, 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.680 or maybe just wait for the big movie. Yeah that? 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.440 Did they ever make them? No? I don't think so. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.240 I think that's sort of animable movie, right, Yeah, I 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.800 guess so. I don't know. They seemed to show them 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:14.000 a lot, so uh watching videos were also going out 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:15.800 to the movie theaters. I guess here in New York 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.479 I was I was a little Yeah, I remember, yeah, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.880 we would get high and go to the Pink Floyd 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.600 to the wall. That was a big memory, very exciting. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:29.000 Goodnight movie or just no regular regular. I had a curfew, 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.360 so it wasn't that much of a rebel. Uh. And 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:36.920 also I do remember seeing m Richard Pryor's stand up 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.680 at at the zig Field. That was amazing. I remember 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.080 being blown away or saw the movie. No, I just 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.800 saw the movie. I saw the movie live. So what 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.640 that would have been that sunset strip? Maybe? I think so? Yeah? 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:57.200 Uh he was something else? Yeah so yeah, no, I listen, 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:01.880 I love the movies. And uh. And I remember when 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:06.400 I was in college, I had a poster of a 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.320 clockwork orange on my wall and it was worse than that. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.720 Though it was in Italian. I didn't see it in Italian. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.200 I don't speak Italian. Yeah, but you're a New York kid. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.520 But I went, Yeah, I went to like village. That's 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.160 pretty cool. It was not cool. I think, uh no, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.560 that's super cool. Yeah right, I think so. I always 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.760 feel if I met myself as a teenager, I'd be like, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.960 what a dick? We were all little ticks. I think, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.720 all right, that makes me feel better. Um. So, well, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.640 before we dive into clockwork Orange, though, I do want 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.680 to bring up Groundhog Day because, um we went back 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.440 and forth on email and I felt bad because you 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.120 had picked groundhog Day originally, and just for the listeners 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:53.240 out there, we had ed Griffin McElroy in of my brother, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.200 my brother and Me the podcast, one of the three 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.880 McIlroy brothers, and he and I talked about that last 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.160 week and I told him that you had wanted it, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.160 and he kind of felt bad, but he said, but listen, man, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.600 He said, did you have a solid backup? And said, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.119 oh yeah, he had a pretty instant back up because 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.640 I don't. And he said, not only do I not 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.680 only is that my favorite movie, he said, of all time, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.840 but he said, I feel like it's the best movie 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.800 of all time. Well I listened, so, but I do 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.520 want to hear your thoughts. Well, I appreciate his passion 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:31.840 because I too love that movie, and I, um, I 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.040 actually just watched it a couple of months ago and 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.440 I was weeping. I was weeping at the like the 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.720 ending scene when he's like helping all the people. So 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:45.760 I've become a total sap. It's quite embarrassing. Uh, but yeah, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:52.240 I loved that movie and I saw the musical with 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.240 my kids. They took me for Father's Day. Is like 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.560 a special Father's Day. I forgot it was a musical. 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.199 It was. I really liked it. But I will say 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.360 at intermission, you know, one of the themes is that 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.600 these people, these small town people are like they're wonderful, 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.439 They're better than the big city people. And uh, but 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.839 an intermission, I was like, wait a second, they're in Pennsylvania, right, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:21.600 And I googled it and Puxtani went for Trump. Oh yeah, 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.440 that really hurt because then I spent the second half 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.679 of like did the mayor vote for Trumps? Like that 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.080 the the guys at the bar who voted for Trump? 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.160 And I came up with though this made me feel better, 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.560 like if we could do a sequel like Election Day 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.800 where it's like November nine and he has to convince 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.080 all the people not to vote for Trump or else 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.040 he doesn't get to move on. So the next day 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:48.920 that was that made me feel good. But I did. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.160 I do love that movie, and um, it's kind of 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:56.160 a perfect little movie. And rewatching it recently because I've 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.720 seen it quite a few times. But with the show, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.280 I do, you know, sort of through the critical eye 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.760 and take notes and really get in there, and it 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:08.080 really it is a great Bill Murray comedy. And if 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.800 you just want to look at it that way, you've 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.200 got plenty of that going on. But there's so much 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.680 more happening in that film, and it could have been 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:19.560 so cheesy and so spoon fed and Griffin and I 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.840 were talking about that. Usually in a movie like that, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.440 there's some wise mentor who shows in them way, or 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.600 just the main character will we'll figure it out and 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.079 discover it. But he fails so many times. He really 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.000 doesn't get it until kind of like the last ten 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.000 or fifteen minutes of the movie, and he fails so spectacularly. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:42.200 I love the different failures. Um And Yeah, the other 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.920 thing that was exciting is I didn't know this, but 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.480 I'm acquaintances with this guy whose brother was the one 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.800 who came up with the idea, Danny Rubin and him. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.840 On Facebook, I made some comment I think I commented 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.920 about the stage show, and Annie Ruben, who is a 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.160 friend of a friend, commented that no, he said he 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.720 thought I should do a book where I have to 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.320 live the same day over and over again, and I'm like, well, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.080 this is the great moment in my life. That's all 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.640 that the Yeah, that's not a bad idea, but I 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.960 don't know how you would do that without being so 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.040 like just sort of set up and canned, right, Yeah, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:26.920 I would need an actual curse on my Well. That 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.120 was the other cool part about that movie too, I thought, 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.240 is that it didn't um, I was never explained. I 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.000 love that it just happened and the studio wanted it 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.800 to and that they they wanted a genie or whatever. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:44.560 But yeah, that was that was remarkable And uh yeah, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.800 I agree. It is a perfect little movie. And and 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:52.520 it also it becomes more meaningful for me because I think, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.240 as I mentioned before, I become more and more sappy. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.560 You know, my teenage self would hate the Scott the 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.960 guy I've become. He'd be like, you hate your teenage self. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.280 We hate We hate each other so much. We have 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.040 so much self loathing. Uh but yeah, because I do 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:15.120 feel like my my moral journey has similar, Like you know, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.560 I've I was, I was an asshole and now I'm 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:24.080 slightly less of an asshole. Hope time believing that the 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.880 slightly less of an ass. No, the first part, I 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.280 think just a great dude. I can't imagine that being 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.640 a very kind I'm not sure that's true. All right, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.280 So let's get into Clockwork Orange. I just finished it 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.880 this morning. I watched about three quarters of it last 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:43.000 night after my show, and then picked it up at 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.800 six thirty am. That's tough to watch in the morning. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.400 But um, and this is what I've obviously seen quite 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.120 a few times, but it had been a while. I 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.439 realized I haven't seen it in about twenty years? Is 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.520 that right? Fifty years? And I watched it recently. I 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.440 did watch it like a week ago for the show. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.320 Of course. I will say this that I think as 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.240 a movie fan, you'll be horrified, as many of your 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:13.080 listeners will be. But if you download it on YouTube, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.520 which is you can watch it in double speed. Oh really? Yeah, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.800 so I did? Did I know? Isn't it terrible? No? 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.160 A little bit. We have people that listen to stuff 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.360 you should know on double speed? Well I do that, yeah, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.000 do you? I'm a double speeder y thing about the 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.880 movies people find particularly offensive because it's supposed to be 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.320 emotional journey. I mean, I have the emotions just more quickly. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.520 And uh, I mean it was also interesting because there's 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.880 that scene with the teenage girl. So yeah, that's that 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:47.360 was very hot to follow. That was lightning fast. So 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.520 obviously did the great Stanley Kubrick in uh doing his 0:13:54.640 --> 0:14:00.640 Kubrick thing to the fullest. Yeah, which is wonderful. Income McDowell, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:06.040 Patrick McGee, Adrian Corey just so many great small roles 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.880 in that movie from another one that just was killing me. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.000 And I found so much more of the comedy this 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.800 time in it than I've ever really noticed before, the 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:20.080 dark comedy. But the prison the main prison guard, he's wonderful. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.280 It's just fantastic. And do you know what I didn't know. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.280 I I just looked up, like, you know, weird fun 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.280 facts about the clock. We're right, Darth Vader. Did you 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:33.800 see that? Yeah? That was him, right, the bodyguard guy. Yeah, 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.000 the man servant who was with a very tight shorts 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.640 was was Darth Vader, which I did not know. So 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.280 that's a nice little easter egg. Well one of uh, well, 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.960 first of all, I should mention, I, uh, when I 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.720 lived in New York, New Jersey twenty years ago and 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.280 we would come into New York all the time. My 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.120 friends and I did for Halloween one year dress up 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.400 as the Drugs. How did it go? How was your 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.400 cod piece? Uh? It was pretty solid, you know, I mean, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.760 what do you use for I just used a regular, 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.880 just athletic jock strap. So it wasn't as authentic as 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.400 like the real you know, the one in the movie. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.160 But we did okay, and um, you know, I put 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.880 on the eyelash on one eye and had the hat 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.800 and the cane, and it was it was weirdly, uh, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:22.840 you kind of like, you know, we had a few 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.400 drinks and we're walking around the city and you kind 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.400 of fall into Obviously we didn't do anything nefarious, but 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.080 right we were kind of like puffing our chest out 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.000 a bit. You know. That isn't well. I find that always, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.520 like the way you dress really doesn't. Because I did 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.480 a book on living by the Rules of the Bible. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.000 Yeah yeah, and one of them was you can only 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.040 wear white clothes. So I was wearing white all the time, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.000 and it really did affect my mind. I was like, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.440 you know, I was feeling much more. I was like, oh, 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.760 you know, I'm so spiritual. I'm wearing white. You know, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.080 Either that or I'm like gonna play Wimbledon or go 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.320 to p Diddy's party. But it definitely affects the outer 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.000 effects the inter so I would not want my kids 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.560 to dress up as uh as Alex. Yeah, how's how's 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:11.840 the show going? Which one? Uh? Your show? I don't know, 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.040 You've got several shows. Uh, it's good. I would just 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:20.120 went out there to see a taping on it was why. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.760 I am very bizarre and I have no control over it, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:28.480 so that's a little bit terrifying. Yeah, but I signed 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:34.720 it away with God go with god less moons, that's right. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.960 I I see it as like I gave them here's 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.600 a potato and then they can make French fries or 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.200 ash Brown. Who knows what they're going to make. But um, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.280 but it was fun and I love the guy who's 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.720 playing the character loosely based on me. He's very loosely Ferguson. Yeah, Yeah, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.560 he's terrific. He's great. He was in mad Men and 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.840 he had a huge beard and mad Men that's why 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.520 I thought they cast him because I had a beard 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.280 in the book. But but they're actually not letting him 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.600 grow the beard and until season two. Okay, that'll be 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.560 the season two arc. Yeah, that's the Well, that's nice 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.199 to hear. There's a season two in the works already. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:09.920 That's great. Oh no, I don't know if that's true, 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:17.439 but yes, there I got you. Um So, First of all, 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.640 the movie Clockwork Orange opens um with just that red 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.359 screen and that, uh you know. Most of the the 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.280 score is the symphonic classical music of Beethoven, but there's 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:35.840 also that Kubrickian move synthesizer. It is just so loud 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.080 and powerful right from the beginning. And it's funny. When 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.240 I heard that for the first time in fifteen years, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.000 it brought back it was like my my Madeline and 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.840 it was like wow, like, oh man, that puts me 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.440 and just so Kubrickian, you know now that you know. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.399 When I saw when I was in college, it was 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.159 one of my first kubrick movies probably i'd seen. But 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.080 now that I've seen, like most of the body of 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.000 his work, what else where else does he have that moves? 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.240 And well, I don't know if just that synthesizer, but 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.959 just that sort of in your face, uh loud music. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:08.720 I think it's sort of been a hallmark of his 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:13.560 for sure. Maybe I'm just thinking of this, Well, I 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.639 do you know you have the Thus Spake Zamathustra or 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.960 whatever it's called. Two one. Yeah, that's pretty memorable. And 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.880 this was I think just after that, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, yeah, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.920 I think so. I only know that because I read 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.960 some article there. Uh Malcolm McDowell didn't know who Kubrick 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.840 was like this. He did two thousand and one, yeah, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.880 which actually I watched about ten years ago, and that 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.480 did not hold up as well. Really, I found it 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.480 a little slow. I should have watched it in double speed. 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.720 A little slow double speed might be just right. Yeah, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.080 that one, which is probably harrisy, you know, for most people. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.480 But yeah, two thousand one is drags a bit. I do. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.359 But I do think the uh doctor Strange Love, that 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.920 definitely holds up for me. Yeah, I watched that every 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.800 few years. Still. Yeah, that's I don't like favorites. Well, 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.080 and that's what made me kind of I think I 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.840 saw Strange Love even after I was all out of 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.880 order with Kubrick, just as I discovered his movies over 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:12.200 the years. So I saw a Strange Love after Clockwork Orange, 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.440 and so I didn't pick up on any of the 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.640 dark comedy in Clockwork Orange, and then when I saw 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.399 Strange Love, I sort of got his sense of humor 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.520 a bit more. And watching it last night and today, 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.720 I was like, there were definitely a lot of times 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.480 I was like, this is there's a lot of funny 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.240 stuff going on, a lot of horrifying stuff too, but 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:35.720 he really just gone horrifyingly funny. And I will say, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.720 I remember my other strong memory of h of Kubrick 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.760 was I got Barry Linden from that same video store, 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:48.240 and I remember it also was a little slow, I found. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.280 But then the ending, they had this chiron on the 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.879 screen that I still think about all the time, and 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.560 I'm I don't remember the exact words, but it was 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.679 basically these events took place the reign of King George 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.400 the Third, and uh, all the players, whether they were 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.240 rich or poor, or good or bad, they're all equal. Now, 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:16.760 I was like, oh, so it was it's like everybody died. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.679 Pretty much the ending to any movie you could do 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.280 pretty much a chiron and then everyone died. But I 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.359 do think about that a lot. You know, it's it 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.080 was a very good It was a momento Maori. Uh 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.040 you know we uh, we're all going to die and 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.840 last Aubrey de Gray is right and we can live forever. 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:45.320 He could see one of those two. Well. Cooper definitely 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.800 takes his time in all his movies, um, which I 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.800 appreciate for sure, especially these days when I feel like 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.760 the movie seemed to be long, but they're not taking 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.040 their time. Does that make sense? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.719 that's just seen after seen. I will say though, I 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.560 was immediately hooked by a clockwork orange. I mean that 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.080 starts out strong, him staring at you, the great voice over, 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.440 and that bar is quite startling. Yeah. Yeah, the milk 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.159 bar and just that long dolly back revealing everything and 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.240 also just the milk coming from the woman's breast like 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.080 and and I mean, you know, the idea of milk 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.040 the most innocent. I think that's the one thing he 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.320 does very well, was, you know, taking these very innocent 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.960 things and making them really malevolent, like milk as a 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.879 drug or singing in the rain. I mean he is 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:43.240 good at ruining uh, innocent stuff. Yeah. Well, and even 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:45.760 Alex as a whole, Like part of the complexity of 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:50.520 that character is that he is He's just like the 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.760 nice boy next door by all outward appearances. The way 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:58.680 he converses with everyone and interacts, it's usually very respectful. Uh, 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.640 he doesn't, you know, that's part of the sinister thing 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:05.040 is buried underneath, which makes it frightening. But that he 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.760 didn't make him just like a hooligan or a thug. No. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.840 And the way he talks, it's so lovely and flower like. Uh, 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.639 even when he insults people, He's like you, Eunich, jelly, 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:18.239 thou has made me last. The way he talks, Uh, 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.960 clear as and as you were sky and deepish summer. Yeah, 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:28.320 something like that. So good. Um. So the other thing 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:33.359 that struck me was, um, the just utter lack of backstory, 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.320 Like the movie just starts in that milk bar and 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:40.480 it just shows the drugs doing their thing and there's 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.480 no sense of And I guess that was part of 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.679 the point. There's no sense of why he was like 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.840 this to begin with. And he was a true sociopath. 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.560 The other guys were clearly sort of along for the ride, 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.400 but he was the one that was genuinely a sociopath. 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.760 Inic Well, what's fascinated me is reading about it. I 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.120 did not know about out this final chapter that Anthony 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.600 Burgess wrote that was cut out of the American version, 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:11.280 in the final chapter, Uh, Alex grows up. He basically 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:16.200 he you know, he he gets the Ludovico treatment out 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.679 of a system and he goes back to raping and pillaging, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.600