1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Black China was granted a restraining 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: order against ex fiance Rob kardashi You would like to 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: thank you, Jess for granting me this restraint to order 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: to protect me, and I'm just going to get back 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: to co parenting dreams. Rob has been ordered to stay 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: away from China and is not allowed to post any 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: photos of her on social media. It was like a 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: huge weight was lifted off of her shoulders. She's not 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: trying to start a war, abuse, batings, punching a mom 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: in front of her little boy, threatening gun, violence, revenge, porn. 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: What you know I'm talking about Rob Kardashian and girlfriend 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: Black China. It was just photographed all smiles. After being 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: granted a restraining order after or her claims, Rob Kardashian 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: punches her in front of her little boy and threatens 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: to kill himself with a gun. Black China, celebrity in 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,279 Speaker 1: her own right, appears in court early in the morning 18 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: with her lawyer and was given a t r O 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: against Rob Kardashian. Kardashian has joint custody of their child, 20 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 1: a little girl named dream who was with her father 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: at the time of the hearing. Now the woman at 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: is she? Black China claims in an interview that Rob 23 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: Kardashian physically abused her in April of this year, but 24 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: she is just coming forward now why. She also claims 25 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: in court papers filed that she is quote terrified of Kardashian. 26 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Hold on. It's also reported in December, Black China choked 27 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Kardashian with a phone cord and destroyed thirty five thousand 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: and dollars with the property in his home. What in 29 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: the hate is going on with me? To sort it 30 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: all out? A friend and colleague from daily mail dot 31 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: Com Sean Walt, Sean, help me, help me understand this? 32 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: If she is afraid of Rob kardashi and you know 33 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: I always always sighed with a victim. I know Rob Kardashian, 34 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: or at least think I do, because we did Dancing 35 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: with the Stars together. I never saw a mean bone 36 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: in his body. But I'm on the outside looking in. 37 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: But if she's afraid of him, didn't didn't she send 38 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: him taunting photos of herself in their bed wearing jewelry 39 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: that he purportedly had given her. While she's making out 40 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: with another guy, Nancy, It's nice to be with you, 41 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: and yes she did. What happened was don't try to 42 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: butter me up with niceties. Okay, just tell me what's 43 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: These are very serious allegations, serious allegations, and I mean 44 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: you can see that they have been taken very seriously. 45 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: In fact, when his attorney, who appeared for him today, 46 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: the famous Robert Shapiro, was in court, he even apologized 47 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: for Mr Kardashian and said that he wanted to put 48 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: this matter behind him and move forward for the sake 49 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: of their child. But there was a lot of drama 50 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: leading up to this moment. Nancy wait, who apologized to 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: hell Robert Shapiro. You know Robert Shapiro very well, Nancy 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: from the o J sip, Yes I do, Yes, I do. 53 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: He was appearing in court for Robert Kardashian and um 54 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: he said that he agreed to stipulate to the terms 55 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: of the restraining order, but he also apologized for Kardashian 56 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: regarding everything that has happened that we have watched played 57 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: out over the last week. Explained to me something I 58 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: didn't even understand what they were talking about. The first 59 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: time I heard the turn term revenge porn, and frankly, 60 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: the first time I saw it was and the Daily 61 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: Mail that revenge porn is when you're in a committed 62 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: relationship with someone and you and your partner will film 63 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: intimate acts together or take photographs, and then upon the 64 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: completion of that relationship, one partner who was in possession 65 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: of those photographs or videos uses them to shame their x. 66 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: So this often happens onlines. This video or photograph is 67 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: used on social media to say, look, this is so, 68 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: and so this is what they did, and so what 69 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: Black China is alleging is what happened to her last 70 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: week that when Rob Kardashian believed his relationship was over, 71 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: he posted intimate pictures of Black China on his social 72 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: media account, the first account he posted it on with Instagram. Okay, 73 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: hold on, number one, ladies, please hear me. Don't let 74 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: anybody take naked pictures of you, please, man, nobody wants 75 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: to see your naked pictures to start with. And I 76 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: think I speak on behalf of a lot of people, 77 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: but ladies, please, please don't do it. All right, that 78 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: said that said, you know some guy ask you to 79 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: take a picture and they could just say, you know what, 80 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: just keep that snapshot in your mind and keep it 81 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: a secret. That will make it even more special. Okay, 82 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: nobody knows about it, but you. Whatever happened to? Just memories, Nancy, 83 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: Just memories, distant memories for people with twins, came very 84 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: distant memories. But why is a black China famous? What? 85 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: Why is she famous? So Black China is famous because 86 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: she used to date Tiger now Tiger, Oh, this is 87 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: really getting weird. Didn't he date Kardashian sister convoluted family train? Yes, 88 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: that's correct. And she had a baby with him, Paul Tiger. Okay, 89 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: you said Tiger t I g e R. It's night Tiger, 90 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: it's Tiger. I think it's my acting. Get with it, Sean, 91 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: or you won't be with it much longer. So they 92 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: had they had a baby together. No, she was famous 93 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: before that, Sean. She had to be famous before that. 94 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: She had an interesting career in entertainment. You might say, no, 95 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. That could mean a 96 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: lot entertainment. What do you mean by entertainment? She was 97 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: a stripper? I believe that. Well, we just whispered she 98 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: was a stripper. Is that you allen, do you whispering 99 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: in my ear st? She was a stripper who then 100 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: let's say, transitioned into what they call urban modeling, and 101 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: she was on these magazine covers and then she started 102 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: making a transition into music videos as the featured dancer 103 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: in music video. She was a double in a video 104 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: for Nicki Minaj, Love Nicki Minaj, And I guess you 105 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: guys know, I got to make Nicki Minaj when I 106 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: was a so called judge on a show Swift Justice, 107 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: and Nicki Minaj was a litigant before me, and you'll 108 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: be happy to know I ruled in her favor and 109 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: took a picture with her. Okay, go ahead. So she 110 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: then then Drake name dropped her, uh in a in 111 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: a song in a rap song. Then other people name 112 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: dropped her, and hey, the rest is history. And then 113 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: she met Tiger's famous in her own right. I get 114 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: it now. I want to look at the the lawyer here, Shapiro, 115 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: very well known lawyer, very good lawyer, even killed, very 116 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: even killed. Now this is how I know Shapiro, not 117 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: just from O. J. Simpson's case, but I had a 118 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: program with Johnny Cochrane. God rest his soul, and through 119 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: Cochrane met Shapiro. Of course I was boiling just beneath 120 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: the surface because I blamed all of them about O. J. 121 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: Simpson getting off. But Shapiro and Rob Kardashian's father were 122 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: very good friends before Kardashian's father passed away. So that 123 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: is how Kardashian is in on this. Now that we've 124 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: got all that straight the family tree, so to speak, 125 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: let me understand what the allegations are, Sean, Okay, So 126 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: there are a few things going on here. Um, she 127 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: was very concerned that she was being cyber bullied. So 128 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: the reason she got this temporary restraining order? What cyber bullied? 129 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: You know when you taught Australian like that, I'm not 130 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: sure exactly what you're saying. You gotta slow it down 131 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: for him a little bit, okay, claiming it's like it 132 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: sounds like a British accent on crap. Please say that again. 133 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: Tell me the China's went to court to apply for 134 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: a temporary restraining order because she was being cyber bullied 135 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: by Rob Kudashian. Now, this all stemmed from the incident 136 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: that occurred last week Nancy, where Rob was on his 137 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: Instagram account relaying the details of his relationship and why 138 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: he had broken up with Black China. Now, when he 139 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: went through that, he posted some very personal images of 140 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: China's body parts. I don't think there was a body 141 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: part he didn't post online. And then on top of that, 142 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: he posted a video that Black China had sent him 143 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: of her making out with another man in his bed. 144 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: So she sent that to him and he posted it 145 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: and he posted online. Now, she said the reason she 146 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: did that was that their relationship had been over since 147 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: the end of last year beginning of this year, and 148 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: that she just wanted him out of her life. So 149 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: she thought by sending him this video, he'd back off, 150 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: but the opposite happened. The video sent him over the edge. 151 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: He then started putting these posts up on social media, 152 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: I mean an Instagram even took the post down, and 153 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: then he transferred over to his Twitter account and started 154 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: making more posts there. So China said, enough, tell me 155 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: what the possible outcome is. I mean, if she wants 156 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: to pursue this civilly or criminally, it's going if it's true. 157 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: If it's true, it's going to be a very easy 158 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: matter improving it because if it's true, it would have 159 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: come from his account. If he denies that's from his account, 160 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: that can be forensically proven. Now, what would a jury 161 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: do if it went that far? Of course, I don't 162 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: think it is going to go that far. But if 163 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: it did, how would a jury respond to her sit 164 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: taunting him by sending him this video of her with 165 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: another man wearing Kardashian's jewelry he gave her in their bed. 166 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: He sends her the video and he posts it. I 167 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: don't think a jury in their right mind is gonna 168 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: convict on that. But the body parts are another thing, 169 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, I I hear you. I mean, can you 170 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: imagine trying to find a jewelry that doesn't have one 171 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: person on there who hasn't been cheated on in the relationship? Yeah, 172 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: but posting, I mean I don't. I don't think that 173 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: they would convict Kardashian on that. But as far as 174 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: showing naked photos of her that he took while they 175 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: were having a relationship, that's a whole. That's a whole, No, 176 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: a can of worms, right. I believe they would convict 177 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: on that, civil or criminal, And it's not going to 178 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: be difficult to prove So what's going to happen now? 179 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Is this for real or is this a publicity stunt? 180 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: Is this a way to just get a civil settlement? 181 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: What do you think, Sean? You know, I do think 182 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: this is real, and um, I do think it's very serious. 183 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: And I think the fact that you have Robert Shapiro 184 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: apologizing outside on behalf of his clients, says that both 185 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: sides are taking this seriously, albeit China has taken it 186 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: very seriously, and that she's got two attorneys representing her 187 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: one of them. I would not accept that. If this 188 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: is true. I would want to hear from the horse's mouth. Now. 189 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: I know he won't apologize publicly because it would indicate guilt, 190 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: but I would want to hear him apologize now. That 191 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: would mean something to me. But she's got a great lawyer, 192 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: Lisa Bloom. That's Gloria Alread's daughter, so she learned from 193 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: the best and I worked with Lisa for a long 194 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: time at Court TV. So she's representing black China. You've 195 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: got Shapiro representing Kardashian. Sorry for me to imagine they 196 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: can't strike a deal in this which will involve a 197 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: lot of money. So what is Kardashian doing for a 198 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: living right now. I wanted him to go to law school. 199 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: I got a hold of him and his mother at 200 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. That didn't work out. Well. You know, 201 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: he's a soft designer, Nancy. So he designs his own 202 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: range of socks that you can buy through his social 203 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: media accounts. So I mean here he this has been 204 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: an ongoing storyline in the Cudashians for many years that 205 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: he was this stock designer and created his own socks. 206 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: So he's selling socks, So I think he's going to 207 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: need to sell a lot. Let's be looking at Okay, 208 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: I get the sock thing. I get it. What what 209 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: kind of gail time are we talking about? What kind 210 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: of money are we talking about? You know, that's all 211 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: up in the air. I mean I've read that in California. 212 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: It's it's I think it's six months probation and correct 213 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Um, I think you're right. You know, 214 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. How many times have we seen 215 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: a sex tape or photos like this actually relaunch or 216 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: launch someone's career before. I wonder how this whole thing 217 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: is going to play out. But I can tell you 218 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: what concerns me the most. No woman wants to have 219 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: naked photos of herself publicized in this manner. So if 220 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: this happened, if this happened, there's a very clear cut 221 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: case on this, if it's true. Because even though we 222 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: may not approve of some of the things Black China 223 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: has done, I don't I don't give a fig if 224 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: she stripped or not. But sending him videos of her 225 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: with another man and his jewelry in his bed, I 226 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: mean that could push him over the edge. But that 227 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: still does not justify him releasing these images. But what 228 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: bothers me the most post is the allegations he punched her. 229 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: That is a concern to me. There is, and you know, 230 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: there's allegations on both sides. Nancy, it seems like all 231 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: was not right in the House of Kardashian. China claims 232 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: that on April eighth this year, rob Kardashian, but that's 233 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: certainly putting perfume on the pig. All is not right 234 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: in the House of Kardashian. You don't write because he 235 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: accused her of choking him with a phone cord, and 236 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: it's during thirty five thousand dollars with the property which 237 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: he says was caught on surveillance video. Hello, yeah, which 238 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean would all add to this. And then on 239 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: top of it, she says that in April this year, 240 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: he beat her in front of her four year old 241 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: son Ken Cairo and ripped a door off its hinges 242 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: as she rent to hide. So, I mean there's allegations 243 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: of violence. Okay, you know what, I've got a funny 244 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: feeling this will not be solved behind closed doors. Okay, 245 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: this will not be solved behind closed doors. But the 246 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: the the g to it. The takeaway in my mind, 247 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: is about abuse within a relationship. The alleged choking with 248 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: a phone cord, the alleged destruction of nearly fifty dollars 249 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: worth of property in the home, the allegations of punching, 250 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: punching and pulling out a gun and threats. It escalates. 251 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: And even though these people are famous, each in their 252 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: own right, they are both famous, they both have a 253 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: lot of money. The point is not that. The point 254 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: is when this is happening in your relationship, you have 255 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: to get out because it always escalates. It always escalates, 256 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: and your children are seeing all of this and they're 257 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: thinking that's the way people live. And then they grow 258 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: up and they do the same thing. And I'm saying this, Sean, 259 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: after all my years executing and all my years working 260 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: at the Battered Women's Center as a volunteer. It's a cycle, 261 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: and the children see it, and their children see it, 262 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: and it goes on and on and on, and I 263 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: want to stop it. It's tragic. Nancy with me, Sean 264 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: waltsh from a dailymail dot com. I wake up with 265 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: you every morning, Sean on my iPad. 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Now to Oklahoma, where 293 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: a twenty two year old, just a stunning All American 294 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: girl is found shot dead at her family home in Norman, Oklahoma. 295 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: What happened? Cops say her body was moved Why. I'm 296 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: not quite sure I can put all these pieces together 297 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: because when the cops get there, they see her father 298 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: digging in the yard with his hands. The father calls 299 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: nine one one and says his daughter is twenty two 300 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: year old daughters Jelly McMullen had committed suicide. They raced 301 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: to the home of Ronald Ronnie McMullen, forty three years old, 302 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: and he says she shot herself in the face. Joining 303 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: me special guest, colleague and friend Alexis to Rez Chuck 304 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: from Radar Online dot Com. Alexis, you know, after all 305 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: the years I spent prosecuting, one of the books I 306 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: really relied on was method and Assessment of Homicide and suicide. 307 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: And it is almost statistically unheard of for a female 308 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: of her age, her socio economic status to a commit 309 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: suicide by shooting, specifically, even less likely to commit suicide 310 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: by shooting in the face. Okay, so something isn't right here. 311 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: Her body was lying in the entry way of home 312 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: and it looked as if blood had been wiped up 313 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Okay, we're just scratching the surface here, 314 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: Alexis to rest Chuck way in so with the police 315 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: saying that as soon as they got to this house, 316 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: they thought that her dad that Caylee's dad wrong was suspicious. 317 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: They said he was covered in blood. But the thing 318 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: was well right though, Alexis. Hold on, before we go 319 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: any further, listen to this nine one one call where 320 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: Rodald McMullen tells police his daughter has shot herself in 321 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: the face. Listen your name in front of her term 322 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: with the problem there shot your daughter was shot? Just 323 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: to address, do not hang up? Does she do it 324 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: towards hell? Yes? Tony? Okay? Is there any way she 325 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: can still be alive? I don't know, Thank you. I 326 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I'm okay, so I'm trying 327 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: to help you. Try and stay calm. Okay, just come here, sir. 328 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: They are on the way. You talking to me is 329 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: not flowing them down? Okay? Great? Okay? Where she shot 330 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: at in the face? How old is she? Okay? Can 331 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: you see her breathing? At all? One? Seven? Hey? Is 332 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: she cold or changing color? Do you know? I don't know. 333 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: I just don't know. Okay. Are you are you able 334 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: to go to her to find out if she's breathing? Okay? 335 00:21:52,119 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: Let me know when you are buyer. Okay, do you 336 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: see or fill any breathing she's not breathing. Okay. Do 337 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: you know did you hear a shot? Yes? Okay, so 338 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: this just happened, yes, okay. Do you want us to 339 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: try CPR? I guess yeah. Okay. Is she flat on 340 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: the ground? Okay again, there is help on the way 341 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: to help you. Okay. I want you to layer flat 342 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: on her back on the ground. Okay again. I moved 343 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: from where she was into the living room. Okay. I 344 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: want you to place your hand on her forehead, your 345 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: other hand under your other hand under her neck, and 346 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: heel the help the head back. Put your ear next 347 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: to her mouth. Can you feel or hear any breathing? 348 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: She's going, she's gone. Okay, So you don't think we 349 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: should try CPR? I don't know. I'm I'm just throwing 350 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: you she's gone. Okay. Do you know how to do CPR? 351 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: I just got work to do. Okay again, they are 352 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: on the way to help you. Okay, she's going. Do 353 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: you know what kind of gun it was, sir ju? 354 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: Do you know what caliber? Okay? I want you to 355 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: pump her chest hard and fast, at least twice per second, 356 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: two inches deep because I'm doing Okay, let the chest 357 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: come all the way up between pump. You're gonna do 358 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: this under times or until the fire department's there to 359 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: take over for you. Okay, poker ahead. Are you able 360 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: to get that me? All? Yeah? Okay? Are you able 361 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: to count out loud so I can stay aware of 362 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: where you're at? Three four five cheeks seven nine one 363 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 1: two three four five chicks seven eight nine seven at 364 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: least twice per second? Okay, we need to speed up 365 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: just a little bit, okay, hard and fast, at least 366 00:24:53,160 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: twice per second and two inches see okay, yes, well 367 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: she's performance CPR. Your wife is doing keep her now? Yes? Okay? 368 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: Is she? Is? She going to be calm enough to 369 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: do CPR though she's doing CPR. Okay, okay, if you 370 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: can get down, I cannot hear you. If you can 371 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: just keep an open line with me, okay, because you're 372 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: doing you off the phone, I can give the sirens. 373 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: My wife is here. Alexis, you were telling me that 374 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: they thought now he called NIME one one. He did 375 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: not try to hide the fact that she was dead. 376 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: But you, Alexis terres Chut, are saying that immediately thought 377 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: the father was suspicious. Why well, not only they thought 378 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: that he actually called the girl's mother before he called 379 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: nine one one. She came over to the house and 380 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: was performing CBR when he finally called nine one one. 381 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: That could have been any amount of time. It certainly 382 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: wasn't five or ten seconds. If you find your child 383 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: bleeding on the floor with a gunshot wound, you're gonna 384 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: call nine one one immediately to get help. So he 385 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: in the phone call, as as you just heard, hangs 386 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: up on the nine one one operator and most people 387 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: stay on until the police arrive or the help arrives. 388 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: But they said that his behavior was so suspicious. So 389 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: he's first well covered in blood, but strangely enough, the 390 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: tank top that he was wearing, he had blood underneath 391 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: the tank top, so they think that he actually changed 392 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: his shirt, which raised a lot of red flags for 393 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: them too. And then he started doing this bizarre why 394 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: are you doing a wardrobe change when your child is 395 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: dead exactly, And he was trying to wipe the blood 396 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: off of his hands so many times the police kept 397 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: saying stop wiping off, stopping off. They actually had they 398 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: told him five times to stop, and they had to 399 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: restrain him physically because he was disturbing evidence literally on 400 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: his body physically he was trying to hide evidence. As 401 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: the cops were standing there as they try to take 402 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: pictures of the blood drenched father, he tries to wipe 403 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: the blood off of himself with a towel, as Alexis 404 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: terres Check is saying, even though cops insists that he stopped, 405 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: they snatched the towel away from Nick Mullen. And then 406 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: he tries to use his bare hands to get rid 407 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: of the blood until he was physically restrained. Then it 408 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: gets even more bizarre. What can you tell me about 409 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: him going outside to the lawn and lies down in 410 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: the dirt. He goes outside, he starts digging the dirt, 411 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: He starts covering his own body with dirt, and then 412 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: he is scraping his feet, his blood covered feet on 413 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: a cement entranceway. The strangest thing is childhood lying dead 414 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: on the floor and he is digging in the dirt, 415 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: trying to cover himself up, almost trying to Is he 416 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: trying to cover up evidence exactly? They told officers. Okay, 417 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: hold on, there's an affidavit that said Kelly Kelly Joe 418 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: had been living at home on and off just un 419 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: till her death, but had a very unhappy relationship with 420 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: her father. They told officers that in April mc mullen 421 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: had slapped her until her mother pulled a gun on 422 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: him to make him stop. He should have gone to 423 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: jail right then. Now, what more are we learning? The 424 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: police have said that her friends told them that her 425 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: father molested her and that this was this deep secret 426 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: that she had hidden in This was the horrible relationship 427 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: she had with him. Do you think the mother knew? 428 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: I do believe that her mother knew. Otherwise, so too 429 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: because two of her friends state the molestation occurred when 430 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: she was younger, that the school and the Department of 431 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: Human Services records allegedly show that there was an investigation, 432 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: that no charges were ever filed. Now, if there's an 433 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: investigation that he had allegedly been molesting her, wouldn't you 434 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: think the mother would know? I do think, And I 435 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: also think that when the mother pulled the gun on 436 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: the father, that wasn't the first time that that there 437 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: had been a problem. This was a serious threat and 438 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: she was really taking some serious up to protect her child. Well, 439 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: did she ever leave the father, did she ever report 440 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: him to police and go forward with a police investigation 441 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: and charges. I'm just asking, far as I know right now, No, 442 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: as far as I know right now now, so the 443 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: girls stays in the home. You know what's heartbreaking to me? Um, 444 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: There's a picture of Kiley at her high school graduation 445 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at it. On one side is the 446 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: mom and one side is the dad now charged her murder. 447 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: They're all three smiling like they don't have a care 448 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: in the world. And if what the friends say are true, 449 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: then they're all acting like nothing ever happened, like the 450 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: molestation never happened. How can that be? And even this 451 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: year on Father's Day, the mother wrote that he was 452 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: a great father. But father stays in June and the 453 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: attack happened in April when she pulled a gun on him. 454 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: So this is maybe maybe the mom is just as 455 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: abused as her daughter and she needs some help to well. 456 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: That may be true. That may be true. I don't 457 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: know anything about that, but I do know that, according 458 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: to reports that there was a Child Protection Department Human 459 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: Services investigation that took place and no charges were ever filed. 460 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: The affidavit claims and the child stayed in the home. 461 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: The mother kept the child in the home with the 462 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: alleged molester and continued on as if nothing ever happened. 463 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: I got a problem with that, and now the child 464 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: is dead. Now. Of course, the mother is not the 465 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: one that is charged with pulling the trigger, and she 466 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: has got to be devastated. Yeah, but I'm trying to 467 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: figure out why the child was kept in the home 468 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: with a man that molested her. I don't understand that. 469 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: There are other pictures um of them. There's one where 470 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: it looks like she's in a cheerleaning outfit or or 471 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: some sports event, and she's holding flowers and the mom 472 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: is smiling and the dad has one of like a 473 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: little goatee. I guess he was going through that phase. 474 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: And they're standing there and they all look happy together, 475 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: and I'm just having a hard time, you know. You 476 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: know what, alexis one in four. It's elast statistic. I 477 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: recall women have been sexually molested in some way, So 478 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: look around. One in four women have gone through that 479 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: and endured that. And I'm looking at these happy family 480 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: photos and they were anything but. Alexis anything but. And 481 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,959 Speaker 1: she escaped, for lack of a better words, she went 482 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: out of state for college. She went all the way 483 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: to Louisiana for college. She went to a Bible school 484 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: um and didn't finish up there, but came home she 485 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: had a job. This is a girl who was beloved, 486 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: but she was a go getter. She actually had two jobs, 487 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: and she was somebody who had her whole life ahead 488 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: of her. But her she told her friends about the 489 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,239 Speaker 1: trouble that she had in her life. She told them 490 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: about her dad, and they told the police, which I 491 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: think is very interesting that the mom didn't tell the police. 492 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: The reports are saying that it was the friends that 493 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: alerted police to the history of abuse, and nobody helped her. 494 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: I can't help her now. All we can do is 495 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: continue trying in her own way to fight crime and 496 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: in our own way shining light on crime. And I'm 497 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: trying to imagine what this girl went through, having been 498 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: allegedly molested by her own dad and still living in 499 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: the home with him every day like nothing ever happened, 500 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: and now she's dead. Alexis Torres Chuck from Radar online 501 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: dot Com. You know, we've covered so many cases together. 502 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: I just prayed that somehow we can make a difference. Alexis, 503 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: I think it is amazing what you were doing and 504 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: then continue to fight for all of these people that 505 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: people wouldn't know about. They would never know about this girl, 506 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: and they would miss one case might help them. Tell somebody, well, Alexis, 507 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: you know you have that beautiful baby boy now and 508 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: that changes everything. I thought I knew it all until 509 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: I had the children. And now when I think about 510 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: how delicate and fragile and beautiful they are. For them 511 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: to suffer like this girl Kelly Joe has suffered, I 512 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: can hardly think about it. But what we can do 513 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: is arm people with knowledge. If you know about a 514 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: home environment like this, or you suspect, speak out. You 515 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: never know when you may say someone's life, Alexis, thank 516 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: you for being with us. How many times, when nobody's looking, 517 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: do you grab the orange juice or the apple juice, 518 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: to the grapefruit juice, or the milk jug and just 519 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: throw it back and drink it? Although you tell your 520 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: children don't do that. It's disgusting. A little boy, a 521 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: little boy three years old, has been beaten, dead, beaten 522 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: to death with a rod because he was caught drinking 523 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: from a milk jug. What joining me right now is 524 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: an outspoken, entireless child advocate Ashley Walcott joining me out 525 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Ashley, I'm talking about little Xavier Satchel, three 526 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: years old, just died in a hospital in Orlando Friday. 527 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: The little boy was living with mom Brandy Brandy Mocasel 528 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: and her friend Lakisha Lewis. Okay, the mother her mother, 529 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: Brandy's mother was home taking care of the baby. Fifty 530 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: eight year old Killeen Barton. She also lived in the 531 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,959 Speaker 1: apartment with the two women and Xavier, three year old. 532 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: Xavier Barton and Lewis. This is the friend and the mother. 533 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: This child's grandmother allegedly beats the three year old with 534 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: a rod after they catch him drinking milk from a jug. 535 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: They threw him down a hallway, talked through cold water 536 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: in his face to try to revive him. Then the daughter, Brandy, 537 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: runs to a neighbor's apartment calls police as the girlfriend's mother, Oh, 538 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: it's the girlfriend's mother threatened to end her if she 539 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: told police. Forget about those three. Police find the little 540 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: boy lying on his back, barely breathing, with food coming 541 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: out of his nose. I don't understand this. Beating a 542 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: three year old child dead over a milk jug really 543 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm stunned, you know, Nancy. It is horrific on so 544 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: many different levels. And the thing that really strux me 545 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: is at what point are we as a society going 546 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: to stop beating children to death, which is exactly what 547 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: happened in this case over something as innocent as drinking 548 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: out of a milk carton. And keep in mind, this 549 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: is not just mother was living with someone that she 550 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: didn't know when they did this to her child. Mother 551 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: was living with Louis, who's her girlfriend, and Louis's mother, 552 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: who's Barton, And she says, hey, they've hit him before, 553 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: and there was evidence, according to the police, that this 554 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: boy had bruises from prior incidents. So here you have 555 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: a mother who stays with her girlfriend and lives with 556 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: a girlfriend and a girlfriend's mother who have done this 557 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: to her child before. Why why, why why would you 558 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: stay and keep your your child in that situation? You know, 559 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: it's the same principle Ashley with me, Ashley Willcott, tireless 560 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: child advocate that I respect a lot. I have told 561 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: this to anybody that will listen. You know, all the 562 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: years I tried felonies, so many of them were crimes 563 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: on children and This is gonna turn your stomach, but 564 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: you may already know it to be true. I don't 565 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: recall a single time that I prosecuted a man for 566 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: abusing a child, either sexually or physically, that the mother 567 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,760 Speaker 1: that would be the wife or the girlfriend didn't side 568 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: with the man. I will never forget. One of the 569 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: first times it happened to me. There was a guy, 570 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: and remember his name very well, and he ran. His 571 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: name was Walter Gates, and he owned a high percentage 572 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 1: of the livery trade in Atlanta. I mean horse drawn 573 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: carriages and uh, I guess cars that drive you around. 574 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what all he owned. I started digging around. 575 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: I found where he had been beating and molesting girls 576 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: for about twenty years. He had never done one day 577 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: one day of jail time, and even then, twenty years 578 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: into it, he was still at it, and his then 579 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: girlfriend sided with him. I think her daughters were three 580 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: and seven something like that. That's when I first became 581 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: aware of this phenomenon. And here we have it again. Absolutely. 582 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: Of course, here you've got a woman that is romantically 583 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: involved with a woman. But it's the same principle, you 584 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 1: stay stay with these abusers at the price of their child. 585 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: They do. You know, I serve as a judge ProTem 586 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: in juvenile court and we do see this over and 587 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: over and over again. Parents choose the paramore, whoever that 588 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: paramore is, over the safety of their own child. So 589 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 1: the good news from my perspective, I'm eye for an eye, 590 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: tooth for a tooth. So frankly, as far as I'm concerned, 591 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: Barton and Lewis should have the same thing happened to 592 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: them that they imposed on this the helpless child. Putting 593 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: that aside, let's talk about the mother. Thankfully, in terms 594 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: of the criminal system, she has been charged with child 595 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 1: neglect because she did not remove him from this situation. 596 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's not going to carry a very big 597 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: sentence and she's out. She can get out on bond. 598 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: That's crazy when she didn't protect him, knowing what they 599 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: were doing to Ashley Ashley, Ashley. According to doctors, this 600 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: little three year old boy almost I almost feel sick 601 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 1: to my stomach right now, Ashley, This three year old 602 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: little boy. Oh how I wish I could take him. 603 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: Oh how I wish I could take this little boy 604 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: in with me. He was covered in bruises from past 605 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: beatings all over his body, all over his body, Ashley. 606 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: So the mother, while she may have run and gotten 607 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: helped this time, there were many other times where this 608 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: child had endured beatings at the hand of her girlfriend 609 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 1: and mother, according to police, I mean common sense is 610 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: she's been in the home for ex period of time, 611 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: the child's covety and bruises. Who has she been living with? 612 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: And the investigators indicate that she actually said, oh yes, 613 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: I've seen them hit him before. The mother said that 614 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: mother knew, no doubt, no question. And here she is 615 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: out on a hundred dollar bond because and I let 616 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: me rephrase, I'm not certain she has posted bond, but 617 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: her bond amount is dred. That's nothing when you know 618 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: you've seen this happen and one with child neglect, that's it. Cy. 619 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: I think that this is child neglect, which is a 620 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: felony that ended in a death, which is a felony murderer. 621 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: I think the mom is part and parcel kit in 622 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: kimboodle in this, and I think she should be charged 623 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: that way. Now, there's also a four year old boy 624 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: living with them. He has been taken away. The boy's 625 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: father told the Orlando Son Sentinel. He had been trying 626 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: to get full custody for years, that he had dated 627 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: Brandy Marcasol for four years. They broke up when Xavier 628 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: was one, and he had always wanted to get the boy, 629 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: and they gave the boy to this mom. I'm just disgusted. 630 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,959 Speaker 1: I'm just disgusted. And why is she charged with child 631 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: neglect when the babies did agreed. I completely agree at 632 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: such a minimal charge at this point in time against 633 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: this mother. Now the other part, Nancy, and I'm sure 634 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: you you know this and maybe getting to this, but 635 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 1: the the investigation so far reveals that also Barton, who's 636 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: the great you know, the mother of the girlfriend, Barton, 637 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: the fifty eight year old who has been charged with 638 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: first degree murder, that in two thousand two she actually 639 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: used a plastic golf club to hit a different boy, 640 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: not her child, to discipline him and left well and 641 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: marks all over him. So she has is this the 642 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: mom or the girl? This is the girlfriend's mother who's 643 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: also been charged in this case, the girlfriend's mother. She 644 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: actually was convicted. People describe Xavier as quote a ball 645 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: of sunshine. You know, if they thought so much of 646 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: them of this child, why didn't they do something about it? 647 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, people had to know, people had to know 648 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: about this, and they did nothing. We're talking about a 649 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: three year old boy, Xavier Satchel, brutally beaten, brutally beaten 650 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: at a Pine Hills apartment in Orlando. It leaves the 651 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: boy dead. Records detailing all the abuse have just been 652 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: released and we have gotten our mits on it, and 653 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: they revealed prior mistreatment this little boy faced. You know, Ashley, 654 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: I think about it. When I was growing up, no 655 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: matter what was happening, if I called out from my mom, 656 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: she was there or my dad, they were the ones. 657 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 1: They're taking care of me. They were the ones when 658 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: I was sick, they were the ones watching over me. 659 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: Where was his mother? Where was she? And I think 660 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: she let this happen? She did. And I think in 661 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: all of these cases, the ongoing struggle to ever understand 662 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,800 Speaker 1: and I will never understand, is that is a parents 663 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: job to protect their children and to bulldog protect their 664 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: children from anything and everything, And repeatedly we see things 665 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: like this mother not at all, not only not protecting, 666 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: but in my opinion, being complicit because they know what's 667 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: happening and they allow it to happen. I don't get it. 668 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't understand how a parent doesn't protect their own child. 669 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: But this is a great example of a parent failing 670 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: all up the little boy. When the bathing started, Ashley 671 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: began to shake like he was having a seizure of 672 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: some sort. When police arrived, they find him lying on 673 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: his back with food coming out of his nose, so 674 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 1: obviously he may have died. He dies from blood forced trauma. 675 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: Three women have been arrested. One is the mother. And 676 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: what about the four year old brother one year older? 677 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,240 Speaker 1: He was there, he'll have this on him, probably feeling 678 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: survivor's guilt, feeling like it was his fault. My brother died. 679 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: I was there. Why didn't I protect him? Why did 680 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: I live? And he died? What about not only that, 681 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,320 Speaker 1: but like you already mentioned, when he was having the 682 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: seizure and later had food coming out of his nose, 683 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: no one there called. They instead threw water on his 684 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: face to try to revive him. Are you kidding me? 685 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: Clearly he's not well, he's dying, and that was what 686 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: And they had a phone, They had a phone in 687 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: the home. They all have cell phones. In fact, they 688 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: try to stop the mother from calling nine on one 689 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: to start with. So the point is not only did 690 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: they do it, they didn't want to get caught. It 691 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 1: was more important to them not to get caught than 692 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: it was to try to save the little boys life. 693 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: Out to Alan Duke, Alan, what more do you know 694 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: about Xavier? Nancy, don't ask me to talk on this one. 695 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 1: I'm normally you're the one in tears. Today I am 696 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: because I have a four year old granddaughter who, like 697 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: this kid, loves Pepper Pig. I have to pretend like 698 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm Daddy Pig, and I can only imagine what this 699 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: child's life was like. In pray that my grandchildren never 700 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:46,320 Speaker 1: feel that I remember my children at three years old. Tiny, tiny, tiny, 701 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: you know what These two were in jail tonight on 702 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,760 Speaker 1: a one way trip to h E double L first 703 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 1: class c O D. Satan. You can keep him. I 704 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: want to thank you so much for being with us 705 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: at my new home. Serious x M. Nancy Grace signing off, 706 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend