Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 3: Done done, Hello, and welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 3: That's Messed Up.
Speaker 4: I'm Kara Klank and.
Speaker 2: I'm Lisa Traeger and we're here talking SVU True Crime,
Speaker 2: no guest, no guest chats, just more chats, which I'm
Speaker 2: pretty into. Yeah, I actually, I mean the sickness of
Speaker 2: SVU and I AMDB is like it needs to be studied.
Speaker 2: I'm watching Sex in the City and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you remember when Miranda gets an STD and so
Speaker 2: Steve has to go to the free clinic and get
Speaker 2: an STD test. The guy that picks up the Q
Speaker 2: tip and is like, I need to put this into
Speaker 2: the tip of your dick.
Speaker 4: I go.
Speaker 2: He looks familiar. Look him up. Only other credit as SVU,
Speaker 2: only other ones. He only has two credits and got
Speaker 2: out of the game. But he was in sv It
Speaker 2: was Inheritance, which we've done, and he was dow Tran.
Speaker 4: But it's like, what the fuck is wrong with me?
Speaker 2: Like it's it's truly tiny scenes in each and I go,
Speaker 2: I know that, man like and then it happened again.
Speaker 2: But this is a bigger this is a bigger part.
Speaker 2: But who they're hopefully they're leading it up to a Sema.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're watching it just like that,
Speaker 2: hopefully you're not.
Speaker 1: And I'm about to start it, but I'm hearing that
Speaker 1: it's terrible, So I don't know. I'm about to start it,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm gonna watch it. It's like it
Speaker 1: is like comforting to be back in the world. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but whatever. There's a really hot gardener.
Speaker 2: So Carrie is hires a sexy gardener and he just
Speaker 2: met Sema and they kind of flirted. He is the
Speaker 2: psycho I think episodes like you know what. It's like
Speaker 2: a bunch of like rich kids and he steals cars
Speaker 2: from the garage and then he's actually a poor kid
Speaker 2: but a psychopath and he killed the girl.
Speaker 4: The toilet water the toilet water. It's that guy.
Speaker 1: Is that not Logan Green or something? No, I don't
Speaker 1: know who Logan Green is. He was like, no, Logan
Speaker 1: Marshall Green, isn't that him?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sorry, Hawk Gardner Adam Garden. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: played by Logan Marshall. Marshall Green, Yes, he's so hot
Speaker 2: and he plays a really good psycho. But here he's
Speaker 2: like really sexy and has a beard, and I was
Speaker 2: happy to see him out and about working. I think
Speaker 2: he's busy, though it seems like, yeah, he's in like
Speaker 2: Spider Man. I think he's doing fun. Anyways, he's just
Speaker 2: like that. So anyways, that's nice and just like that
Speaker 2: Sex in the City SVU roundup.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am still listen. We're in the time machine here.
Speaker 1: I know, like this is all gonna sound like a
Speaker 1: little old by the time you guys get this episode
Speaker 1: in mid July, but I am just finishing up Secret
Speaker 1: Lives of Mormon Wives. I'm almost done. I was very
Speaker 1: captivated by the entire season. I took my kids to
Speaker 1: go see l e oh the New Pixar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's like the worst performing thing of
Speaker 4: all time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us more. But they didn't market out, they
Speaker 2: didn't market I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1: I supposedly spent two hundred fifty million dollars on making
Speaker 1: the movie and marketing, and it's like I barely remembered
Speaker 1: what it was called like before you know, I just
Speaker 1: look up whatever I'm shi playing and I go.
Speaker 2: That's the thing with the kids. Shit, it could be
Speaker 2: the worst movie. If it's summer and it's two pm.
Speaker 2: You're taking your kids, Yeah, I mean my kids.
Speaker 1: My husband took my kids to go see Gracie and Pedro,
Speaker 1: which was like the most off brand, like a cast
Speaker 1: of a cast of misfits. I went to see Space Chimps.
Speaker 2: I remember I took my niece and nephews in two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight to see Space Chimps Space Chips.
Speaker 1: Truly in the summer, especially like if you're just looking
Speaker 1: to get out of the heat for like a couple hours.
Speaker 4: Like, I will take my kids to anything. Yeah, really
Speaker 4: staye July eighteenth.
Speaker 2: I have such a memory of taking them because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna sit in here.
Speaker 4: When is Wicked for Good coming out, I don't have
Speaker 4: to fall. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Oscar saw the poster when we were there, and he
Speaker 1: was really enchanted by it because he keeps thinking Glinda
Speaker 1: is a it's coming out November. He keeps thinking Glinda's
Speaker 1: a princess, and I'm like trying to explain she's a witch,
Speaker 1: and it's really hard for He's like not getting it.
Speaker 4: But she could be a princess witch.
Speaker 1: I mean, and there's yeah, he's like, but she He's
Speaker 1: literally going, He's like, but she has a crown. I'm
Speaker 1: like yeah, and he's like, and she has a scepter.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, you're right, Yes, you're correct. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I.
Speaker 2: Wait, Kristin sorry again old but the NBA Final game,
Speaker 2: the game seven, Kristin Chenna word's at the Star Spangle banner. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I heard someone I thought it was bad until
Speaker 2: she started hitting those high notes at the end.
Speaker 4: Listen, she was good.
Speaker 2: I think I think most of the men that I
Speaker 2: was watching it with did not know who that woman was. Really, yes,
Speaker 2: because I saw people by the end when she really
Speaker 2: likes catched out this high note and really did it,
Speaker 2: they were like, whoa, Okay, she got They were like,
Speaker 2: who's this who's this woman? You know?
Speaker 4: But I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I just assumed you were with gay men. I was like,
Speaker 1: they don't know who Christian jennowit is.
Speaker 2: But nobody doing my show in Atlanta, you know, talking
Speaker 2: about Luigi and I mentioned Luca the basketball player in
Speaker 2: this joke I'm doing, and these three guys are chatting
Speaker 2: and I go, oh, do you guys know not know
Speaker 2: who Luigi is? And then one of the gay dudes go,
Speaker 2: I'm explaining to him who Luca is, Like you, Lucas.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's incredible. Yeah, no, I don't know
Speaker 2: when Forgood comes out. But you know, also Arianna and
Speaker 2: like Cynthia a few weeks back where judges on All
Speaker 2: Stars Drag Race, so like, yes, yes, all.
Speaker 1: The pictures of my friends that right on it were
Speaker 1: posting up their personal pictures with them.
Speaker 4: But it's coming out in November.
Speaker 1: It's coming out Thanksgiving time, and I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, And that's also when Zutopia too is coming out,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited.
Speaker 2: People are excited well because you know, on Summer House
Speaker 2: there was like a wild party night and then all
Speaker 2: the boys ended up in a bed outside watching Zutopia
Speaker 2: on a laptop together and it was like a wholesome moment.
Speaker 1: Zutopia is a great one. I like the song, the
Speaker 1: Shakira song. I like the What's Crazy.
Speaker 2: And it's like jokes people have brought it up online
Speaker 2: and it's like you you teach kids all these lessons,
Speaker 2: whether it be church, Disney movie, whatever, of like taking
Speaker 2: care of each other and the little guy and standing
Speaker 2: up to power and being good, and then as soon
Speaker 2: as they get old, you're like you fucking liberal tar.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it, Like Zuto, I don't understand how
Speaker 2: people take their kids to see Zutopia and then vote
Speaker 2: Republican and then are like no cops, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Zootopia is truly like and it's like an allegory
Speaker 1: for how like, okay, allegory crack was desemin into like
Speaker 1: black communities. Like it's literally like predators versus like people
Speaker 1: going savage. It's like talking about certain animals in a
Speaker 1: certain way, like speaking of animals. And maybe it's a
Speaker 1: I don't want to check further because I want it
Speaker 1: to be true. But a zebra in Tennessee went missing
Speaker 1: for eight days. She was on the loose and then
Speaker 1: they like had to airlift her back to captivity. But
Speaker 1: it's just her flying by a helicopter through the sky.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I guess this is bad to admit,
Speaker 1: but I did just spark a joint and it is
Speaker 1: four twenty, and that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: You did it.
Speaker 2: It's like my body knew. My body knew I couldn't
Speaker 2: handle it, like it's I'm supposed to be doing something
Speaker 2: right now. I was out of town for three weeks
Speaker 2: and I didn't smoke it all during the day, Like
Speaker 2: I just didn't have weed. I wasn't flying it in
Speaker 2: out of Mexico. My life was ten times better. I
Speaker 2: would say, Oh, really an experiment, because I slog through life.
Speaker 2: When I'm sowed all day, it's like it's more tiring.
Speaker 2: You're kind of like holding yourself back in a way
Speaker 2: from like doing I still like.
Speaker 4: Go do life, but I don't know how you do though.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, Like that's why I barely smoke weed,
Speaker 1: because I can't do life when I do it, So
Speaker 1: I have to do it under very specific specific conditions
Speaker 1: where I have like nothing to do.
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Did you find the zebra? Is it real? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I saw it. This video runaway zebra on the loose
Speaker 1: in Tennessee captivates the nation. I don't know, it's gonna
Speaker 1: make me watch an ad on YouTube.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but my photos are amazing of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I wonder, but also the zebra wants sea free.
Speaker 4: But eight days that where was it a runaway pet zebra?
Speaker 4: What was it doing?
Speaker 2: I mean there's footage of it just all around town,
Speaker 2: skipping down the highway like living life.
Speaker 4: I think it's like, you're not allowed to have a
Speaker 4: pet zebra, right, Like I know, but I want one. Oh.
Speaker 4: I see the video, Okay, I see it still.
Speaker 1: I see as still of it in the little sack
Speaker 1: getting airlifted.
Speaker 4: I see it.
Speaker 1: It's truly wild. Oh my god, I gotta show that
Speaker 1: to the kids. They're gonna love that shit.
Speaker 2: I also saw another online thing that's you know, because
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this needle point crocheted thing, someone made
Speaker 2: me I want a fat beef dog.
Speaker 4: And that was kind of my thing for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I watched this series I think I've mentioned
Speaker 2: it before, where like it's chefs that are the professionals
Speaker 2: at what they do and then they blind taste tests
Speaker 2: at home versions. So like pizza chefs were like eating
Speaker 2: every frozen pizza on the market and then blindly like
Speaker 2: reporting on it and then they all but they're so
Speaker 2: good at their jobs. They're like, this is this brand,
Speaker 2: this is this brand, Like they do know when they
Speaker 2: know the science behind why something works and doesn't it
Speaker 2: and then they pick their favorite of the at home brand.
Speaker 2: So I've seen dumplings, pizza, pancakes like there's a bunch,
Speaker 2: but they had a hot dog one, okay, And it's
Speaker 2: not just a preference.
Speaker 4: It's not my Chicago Vienna beef love.
Speaker 2: A beef dog has with a natural casing is the
Speaker 2: top hot dog because you want to snap, you want juice,
Speaker 2: and you want plump, and you want like this the
Speaker 2: color like a deeper color, and pork and chicken are cheaper.
Speaker 2: Beef is a more premium meat, and so the cheaper
Speaker 2: the hot dog, the more pork, chicken and other shit
Speaker 2: is in it and more mechanically separated the odds that ends.
Speaker 2: So if it's an all beef dog, it is, it
Speaker 2: is just better by in terms of these chefs proved
Speaker 2: it to me.
Speaker 4: It wasn't just me. I guess I was right. I'm right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look we're a Hebrew national house over here.
Speaker 2: But that was in a hot Chris. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like a sheep and test that you want. You want
Speaker 2: the natural casing has a better snap. But the woman
Speaker 2: on this the hot dog episode, she was fantastic she
Speaker 2: she got every single one, and she described everything in
Speaker 2: such beautiful detail.
Speaker 1: Wait, I really want to know what they said of
Speaker 1: the pizza. Do you remember which was the best at
Speaker 1: home pizza?
Speaker 2: No, but I would say the one shocking thing that
Speaker 2: you're gonna be upset about hearing is overall for all
Speaker 2: of it. There's another food I've done, and I can
Speaker 2: send you the link. Like, Trader Joe's always fucks up. Really,
Speaker 2: they always hate the Trader joe options, well the vegan
Speaker 2: vegetarian always and like they'll be like this tastes of
Speaker 2: gluten free, like they just know immediately. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: they really are never happy with the Trader Joe's around
Speaker 2: the Dubble and then the chefs are always shop the
Speaker 2: chef's like wait what.
Speaker 1: I love this, you know, like cause I love Trader
Speaker 1: Joe's pizza. Listen, I don't eat that much Trader Joe's myself.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of stuff I buy for my kids,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we shop there and
Speaker 1: then I eat some of the stuff like that some
Speaker 1: of the cheese I really like and some of that,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, But like my.
Speaker 4: Kids are more eating like the food.
Speaker 2: So the channel well there's also jokes now where it's
Speaker 2: like you have to go to Trader Joe's and then
Speaker 2: a different store because the Trader Joe's is.
Speaker 4: Just like snacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't, and they don't have anything brand name,
Speaker 1: Like you want goldfish, you have to buy like their
Speaker 1: Cheddar rockets.
Speaker 4: It's not the same. No, So the.
Speaker 2: Channel I watched this is epic Epicurious. Epicurious. Yeah I've
Speaker 2: heard of that. Oh okay, cool, So yeah you could
Speaker 2: watch it. I mean, if you don't want to go
Speaker 2: through I watch them.
Speaker 4: I knew.
Speaker 2: I watched another and the mac and cheese one as well.
Speaker 2: But the people are very knowledgeable. They really get incredibly
Speaker 2: like well versed, and they are like one of them
Speaker 2: was just like plump them while you cook them. This
Speaker 2: is a ballpark and I know it, you know. But
Speaker 2: their favorite actually they liked the Nathans. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think what other and then there was like a fancy brand.
Speaker 2: They actually didn't like the Hebrew National, which was upsetting
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's like what I ate as a kid.
Speaker 1: So that's like what I buy for Oscar. No, Hebrew
Speaker 1: kosher is better. All beef is better. It's not just preference.
Speaker 2: It's not just that these fucking science chefs explained why
Speaker 2: the beef dog is the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Curious has like also recipes, like it's a recipe
Speaker 1: site too, so I like I've seen their recipes before.
Speaker 4: Good stuff on.
Speaker 2: She's experts gonna Oh there's one She's expert tries every
Speaker 2: trader Joe's cheese. Oh okay, Oh, I've done the frozen
Speaker 2: burrito one too. I think I've I think I've watched
Speaker 2: a lot of these. Oh and I watched the Ramen one.
Speaker 2: That's what got me involved. That's what got me involved.
Speaker 2: But let's start. I mean I've talked about Yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like I've been babbling up a fucking storm. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Let's get going because we have a big episode for
Speaker 1: you today and it's very listen. I liked we recorded
Speaker 1: this in a few weeks in advance of the date
Speaker 1: that this is coming out, because we're traveling for summer.
Speaker 1: But I don't think everything's gonna be cleared up by
Speaker 1: the time we do this episode, so I think it's
Speaker 1: still gonna be timely. So get into it, all right,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know us we have to be timely,
Speaker 1: so we are doing the episode Anchor Season eleven, Episode ten.
Speaker 1: I'll just say right up, top people, this episode's based
Speaker 1: off of the term anchor baby. It is an offensive
Speaker 1: term that you know, the episodes from two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: We recognize that, We understand that, but you know, this
Speaker 1: is what's like written into the episode, so we are
Speaker 1: going to talk about it. But this is a very
Speaker 1: timely episode and it's a thin heavy episode and I
Speaker 1: love one of those.
Speaker 4: So here we go.
Speaker 1: A woman is getting out of a car going thanks
Speaker 1: for a great night, and starts walking down the street
Speaker 1: and she's got a walk.
Speaker 4: She's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: And I know this that when I originally saw this episode,
Speaker 1: I go, that's Yah Yah from fucking America's Next Top Model,
Speaker 1: and it is. It's ya Ya DaCosta from ATM from
Speaker 1: the days.
Speaker 4: That I used to watch it, which are early days.
Speaker 1: And she actually started a very extensive acting career after
Speaker 1: she was on Top Model. She's probably one of the
Speaker 1: greatest reality show to acting stories that we have. She's
Speaker 1: been one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 2: The kids are all right, oh yeah, she's the Smark
Speaker 2: Ruffalo in that one, and she don't something else I like.
Speaker 2: But she was also fun on that show because I
Speaker 2: remember one time they were like, wow, yeah, yeah that's
Speaker 2: a that's an exotic name or something, and she goes, well,
Speaker 2: not in Africa, it's pretty common there.
Speaker 1: She just stood up for herself in a great way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's a great she's a great actor. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: she was a regular on Chicago Med. She's no stranger
Speaker 1: to the dick Wolf, a regular on Chicago Med for
Speaker 1: one hundred plus episode. She's also done PD and Fire,
Speaker 1: so she's she's out here dick wolfing baby. But I
Speaker 1: think this was maybe her first dick Wolf joint. And
Speaker 1: she's so beautiful walking down the street and then unfortunately,
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, she does get just cold cocked in
Speaker 1: the face, like an arm comes from offscreen.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like where was that person? Was he
Speaker 4: hiding by something?
Speaker 1: Because like the arm comes out like he was right
Speaker 1: next to her, and he knocks her right into a
Speaker 1: trash pile. She is a sex worker, it turns out,
Speaker 1: and the man who punched her is her pimp, and
Speaker 1: he's accusing her of holding out on him, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I swear t Mac, I was but then he finds
Speaker 1: seventy dollars on her and he's like, well, I know
Speaker 1: that was one hundred and fifty dollars ride where's the
Speaker 1: rest of the money. And she's like, no, no, the
Speaker 1: guy was cheap and he's like, you're lying, and then
Speaker 1: he rips off her wig, which is very disrespectful, but
Speaker 1: there is money in the wig, so he did know
Speaker 1: where to look, and she's running away. I remember when
Speaker 1: I watched this for the first time, this episode back
Speaker 1: in the like fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: This part was very scary.
Speaker 1: She's like a very good actress, Like she's screaming, like
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat the shit out of her, and like,
Speaker 1: I'm very scared when I was watching this the first time,
Speaker 1: I remember, and she's like trying to get away from him.
Speaker 1: She's like climbing over mountains of trash. He's just like
Speaker 1: throwing things out of the way. Like it's very scary.
Speaker 1: How much like bigger and stronger he is and he's
Speaker 1: very like menacing and then he stops.
Speaker 4: She gasps. They have stumbled over.
Speaker 1: The lower half of a little girl's body emerging from
Speaker 1: a trash bag.
Speaker 2: He grabs her and they leave. Okay, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: give a shit. She's like, oh no, it's a child, and.
Speaker 4: He's like, high him up up. Yeah he does not.
Speaker 1: This man is emotionless except for getting his money right. So,
Speaker 1: now Finn is outside an apartment building yelling like Audrina,
Speaker 1: so that's her name. Yeah, Yah's name is Audrina and
Speaker 1: he's like, I thought you got out of the game,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I tried, but you know, the shelter sucked,
Speaker 1: the ged class sucked, and my daddy promised he'd be
Speaker 1: nice to me, and you know, Finn's like, well, that
Speaker 1: doesn't really seem like it's working out because we also
Speaker 1: just saw TMAC be very unnice and she also has
Speaker 1: like a shiner. So she takes Finn to the body
Speaker 1: of this little girl and he's like, why didn't you
Speaker 1: call nine one one, and she's like, because the cops
Speaker 1: don't give a damn about dead sex workers and I
Speaker 1: knew you would care, so I like that. A lot
Speaker 1: of people feel comfortable calling Finn on the side, they
Speaker 1: really do. But Finn says the kid is too young
Speaker 1: to be in the business. Plus she is wearing a
Speaker 1: Jesus Loves Me t shirt and Audrena points out. It
Speaker 1: would be hard to get a john wearing that T shirt,
Speaker 1: so it's not funny. There is a dead child, but
Speaker 1: the T shirt is kind of wild, Like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like when they find the gymnast in Pixies and
Speaker 1: they're just like sex worker immediately, it's like, not every
Speaker 1: dead person in an alley is a sex worker. Like
Speaker 1: she's wearing running shoes and like, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's not necessarily what you would consider to be
Speaker 1: the outfit I guess, but I guess there's no outfit
Speaker 1: for sex workers, so they could be wearing anything, I guess.
Speaker 4: But that's always where they go.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's we're at the credit, so top of act one,
Speaker 1: we're at Melinda's house. This girl has been dead for
Speaker 1: twelve hours. She was strangled using a heavy chain like
Speaker 1: a bike chain or something. She's twelve years old. Melinda
Speaker 1: found a missing reperson's report. Her name is Ruby Brown.
Speaker 1: She's a seventh grady at Our Lady of Perpetual Virtue,
Speaker 1: which explains that Jesus T shirt. But she was not
Speaker 1: in the sex trade. Her hymen is intact, and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: how did a twelve year old Catholic school girl end
Speaker 1: up on dead on a hooker stroll his words. So
Speaker 1: Melinda's like, well, that's a question for homicide. This isn't
Speaker 1: a sex crime, but it is a crime against a child,
Speaker 1: and they do handle those. So I'm confused why there's
Speaker 1: all this like territorial stuff going on with this case.
Speaker 1: And Finn's like, well, she looks like a special victims
Speaker 1: to me, and he wants to notify the mom, so
Speaker 1: he gets the address. We cut to I hate when
Speaker 1: they do this. They show a video of Ruby looking
Speaker 1: so cute and alive and talking to her dad about
Speaker 1: how she's gonna win a medal and she's really cute.
Speaker 4: Zoom out.
Speaker 1: Finn's watching it with Ruby's mom in the living room.
Speaker 1: She made the video for her dad, who was stationed
Speaker 1: in cobble. The mom blames herself. She's like, I sent
Speaker 1: Ruby to the store for milk. She's down at one
Speaker 1: hundred times. Why did this happen to my baby? And
Speaker 1: Finn's like, I'm gonna find out, okay. So this is
Speaker 1: one of those cases that gets right to the heart
Speaker 1: of one of the detectives. Back at the precinct, Craigan
Speaker 1: is reiterating to Finn that this is not an SVU
Speaker 1: case because it wasn't sexually motivated. And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: about the kid they found eating out of the trash
Speaker 1: because his mom was starving him, or the little boy
Speaker 1: in conscience who was murdered by his psycho kid neighbor.
Speaker 1: Those are just like two off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: Like they do plenty of just straight up kid murders
Speaker 1: that don't have a sexual element. I feel like so,
Speaker 1: and I'm a little confused why. Craigan's like, we are
Speaker 1: not taking this, like this is not for a and
Speaker 1: Craigan's like, kick it to homicide, and Thin's like where
Speaker 1: it will die, Like the case will go nowhere, no
Speaker 1: one will do anything. And Cragan's like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: want it either of them, because like we're already getting
Speaker 1: shit on our closure rate. And I'm like, well, from
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting watching the TV show, you guys have
Speaker 1: like a ninety nine percent closure rate, so I can't
Speaker 1: imagine how you're getting any shit, Like you guys pretty
Speaker 1: much solve every case. And Finn's like, so our stats
Speaker 1: are more important than a little girl, And then in
Speaker 1: walks Melindo right on Q. Two little girls, another one
Speaker 1: in the Bronx, same chain pattern, a ten year old
Speaker 1: named Magda Ibanyez, and she was dumped in a barrel
Speaker 1: the same as Ruby Brown, which of course does remind
Speaker 1: me of Dexter barrel girls. The entire season of Barrels
Speaker 1: Barrels are free, Ky.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's not even the best season, but
Speaker 2: it's the most. It made the most impact on my life. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think about barrel guys, like when I see a
Speaker 2: group of guys and I just go, oh, I bet
Speaker 2: you get together and barrel with and barrel.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He is like really really twisted that season, like that
Speaker 1: whole Oh my god. Oh, but Cragan is convinced. Once
Speaker 1: he sees the second girl, he's convinced. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call one PP and ask them to declare the pattern.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Finn, when Magda disappeared, the Bronx didn't get anywhere,
Speaker 1: and the victim's family took her back to Hunduras for
Speaker 1: burial and they have no plans to come back. And
Speaker 1: the purp leaves no blood, hair, no DNA. The only
Speaker 1: signature really is the chain pattern, and Craigan tells him
Speaker 1: well it's officially a pattern, so congrats, and you're running
Speaker 1: point on this. So Finn's like, cool, let's get a
Speaker 1: press release out and Craigan's like, no, no, no, no, no press.
Speaker 1: We don't want to panic every parent in town. And
Speaker 1: it's like, but what if another girl gets picked up
Speaker 1: or like murdered, or another kid and.
Speaker 4: One PP does not give a single fuck.
Speaker 1: So they're just like, you can try to find this guy,
Speaker 1: but we're not making this a big thing. At the
Speaker 1: deli where Ruby went for milk, the deli owner knows nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't even know why they hired an actor to
Speaker 1: play this man. He's like, cute kid, don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: So they're leaving missing posters all over the area, but
Speaker 1: no one has seen anything, and no one will even
Speaker 1: stop and look at the flyer. Like I lived in
Speaker 1: New York for eleven years. I have never been handed
Speaker 1: a missing flyer, but you bet your ass if I was,
Speaker 1: I would be stopping and going how long has she
Speaker 1: been gone?
Speaker 4: Like what are we looking for? Are there any suspects?
Speaker 1: Like I would be asking some questions and people are like,
Speaker 1: you know, they're really playing up the New York stereotype
Speaker 1: of like not interested and everybody just keeps like walking
Speaker 1: to like hail a cab, you know, and so like
Speaker 1: Finn yells at some random woman being like too busy
Speaker 1: to help find a little girl's killer, and he's like,
Speaker 1: like I said, he's really taking this one to heart.
Speaker 1: Munch is like, let's call it a night, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going home until I find a witness. So
Speaker 1: Finn is in it to win it. Back at the house,
Speaker 1: Finn and Munch return dejected they've got nothing. Finn is
Speaker 1: still pissed that he can't go to the press because
Speaker 1: he's like that would really help, and Live brings up
Speaker 1: a guy she was dating at the Ledger. I think
Speaker 1: she's talking about Bill Bill Pullman, and she goes, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was dating this guy, I got to know
Speaker 1: this woman on the crime desk named Nicole Gleeson. She's like,
Speaker 1: I could set you guys up, and Finn's like, I
Speaker 1: don't need any help hooking up. It's like so funny
Speaker 1: how he's like doesn't get it, Like in the middle
Speaker 1: of a conversation about your case lives, just like, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, do you want to go on a date,
Speaker 1: like she obviously has a plan, you know, and lives Like, no, dumbass,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need an alibi about having a drink with
Speaker 1: a journalist, So like, why do I have to spell
Speaker 1: everything out for all these men? So Finn gets it
Speaker 1: now and he's like, fine, Lenox Lounge ten o'clock, Finn
Speaker 1: is a night owl now playing on Netflix. So at
Speaker 1: Lenox Lounge, Finn is having a drink with Nicole and
Speaker 1: the actress that's playing Nicole is played by Megelin at Chikunwoke,
Speaker 1: And I really hope I'm pronouncing that the correct way.
Speaker 4: I apologize.
Speaker 1: But she is a beautiful actress who has been in
Speaker 1: a ton of stuff you've seen, and.
Speaker 2: She is stunning, and how much she wants Finn's dick
Speaker 2: is wild.
Speaker 1: It's why I've never seen I've not even seen Phoebe
Speaker 1: his wife lust after his dick the way that this
Speaker 1: woman does.
Speaker 4: This woman wants a piece of Finn.
Speaker 1: So Finn is trying to get her to put this
Speaker 1: story out asap, and she's like, you'll owe me and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, that's a bet.
Speaker 4: I have no problem like fulfilling my end of or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like So these two are flirting pretty hard, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you got camera ready art, and he's like, you bet,
Speaker 1: I do school picks of both the victims.
Speaker 4: Okay, Like they are getting it.
Speaker 1: It's getting steamy at the Lennox lounge and she's like, great,
Speaker 1: school picks always play well on the front page. So
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens with those two. I don't
Speaker 1: even think they go home together. But the next morning,
Speaker 1: Finn goes to grab the Ledger at a newsstand and spoiler,
Speaker 1: the two girls are not on the cover. It's a
Speaker 1: panda named Coco, and the headline is crazy for Coco,
Speaker 1: and it is funny because that is his wife's name,
Speaker 1: and he goes crazy for Coco, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like iced Tea is crazy for Coco, but
Speaker 1: not a panda.
Speaker 4: He's pissed. He's like, what the fuck.
Speaker 1: As he's like paging through the newspaper, Craigan walks up
Speaker 1: and goes, it's on page seventeen, and Finn's like it
Speaker 1: had to be done, and Craigan goes, well, we have
Speaker 1: to listen to the chief of D's and Finn's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: unless live or Elliott bends the rules and then you're
Speaker 1: out on a limb with them, and he's not wrong.
Speaker 4: Those two bendshit all the time. They do stuff all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 1: And Finn's like, suddenly you're after me for like, you know,
Speaker 1: going like lives leaked full stories to the press. You know,
Speaker 1: Finn's got no regrets. He's like, my only regret is
Speaker 1: I didn't get the cover. And then he's pissed because
Speaker 1: he's like, if the victims looked like Elizabeth Smart, there'd
Speaker 1: be a task force on a one million dollar reward.
Speaker 1: And Craigan goes, it's not about race, Finn, and it's like, sure, Jan, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, Like it definitely is. If there was like
Speaker 1: a killer going out and strangling little white girls on
Speaker 1: like the Upper East Side, are you joking? No one
Speaker 1: would send their kids to school, Like everything would be canceled.
Speaker 1: But it's just, you know, that's the fucking institutional racism
Speaker 1: that we all live in with it with every day.
Speaker 4: So Finn walks off.
Speaker 1: Finn is like really not respect any of Craigan's authority
Speaker 1: at this point. He's like, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Give me the five day rip. It'll just give me
Speaker 1: more time to work on my case. And Craigan's like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: your little stunt gave us our best lead. Two callers
Speaker 1: from Ruby's neighborhood gave up a supermarket delivery boy who
Speaker 1: likes little girls. So I don't even know why you're
Speaker 1: giving him shit, but I guess because the chief of
Speaker 1: detective whatever.
Speaker 4: So Finn goes to chase down this lead.
Speaker 1: When he gets to the market, we see this guy
Speaker 1: from behind giving a little girl a lollipop and he's
Speaker 1: like talking about my favorite flavor is cherry, and do
Speaker 1: you like grape or whatever, and then Finn slams the
Speaker 1: sky against the side of a building, and the guy
Speaker 1: immediately seems like he might be a little bit intellectually disabled,
Speaker 1: like he's.
Speaker 4: Like, why are you being mean?
Speaker 1: Like that's not like the way a child molester criminal
Speaker 1: would really like be speaking to you. I don't think
Speaker 1: like this guy seems like, you know, I can tell
Speaker 1: from my degree at SVU University that he's like, this
Speaker 1: is a red herring. But and oh my god, I
Speaker 1: literally started writing in my notes it's really giving Mark
Speaker 1: from Lost Traveler, like the boy that was like these
Speaker 1: are my friends or whatever?
Speaker 4: You know, Oh the episode it is him.
Speaker 1: And then I go and I double check the character's name,
Speaker 1: and I just happen to click on the actor's name,
Speaker 1: Michael Barra, And it's also the guy who plays Donnie
Speaker 1: in Anchor.
Speaker 4: They're the same actor.
Speaker 1: This guy got cast two seasons apart as the same
Speaker 1: guy and intellectually disabled local boy who possibly hurt a
Speaker 1: kid but didn't and is just the red herring.
Speaker 4: I just think it's wild. They're just like, bring him
Speaker 4: back in.
Speaker 1: He's good at that, Like it's only two seasons apart. Like,
Speaker 1: do these guys know each other? I thought that was crazy.
Speaker 1: So Finn is giving this guy full court press. He
Speaker 1: lives in the Bronx, so he brings up Magda. He's like, like,
Speaker 1: you strangle these girls, Like this is why you did it?
Speaker 1: This is how like And the guy's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just give people rides and sometimes they don't want
Speaker 1: to be my friend. But I never heard anyone like
Speaker 1: I just give lollypops to my friends. You know, Like
Speaker 1: this is not talking like a guy who is guilty
Speaker 1: and in walks Kragan, you guess they found another body
Speaker 1: done done so. At the crime scene at the top
Speaker 1: of AC two, we see this little boy Scotty Wu
Speaker 1: getting zipped up into a body bag.
Speaker 4: He was also strangled with a chain. He's twelve years old.
Speaker 1: He's only been dead three hours max, and Donnie's been
Speaker 1: in holding for six hours, so yeah, like, duh, it's
Speaker 1: not him. Scotty's parents work at a food place downtown
Speaker 1: and Finn's like, great, I gotta go tell another parent that.
Speaker 4: Their kid is dead.
Speaker 1: So now we're at chen Wu cafe and the parents
Speaker 1: are obviously very upset. Scotty looked after other kids. He
Speaker 1: was our only child, and then the mom goes he
Speaker 1: was our anchor. And the mom is played by friend
Speaker 1: of the pod Karen Senley, who we have spoke spoken to.
Speaker 1: And Finn's like, what do you mean anchor And the
Speaker 1: husband's like, shut the fuck up, Like he basically tells
Speaker 1: her to shut the fuck.
Speaker 4: Up in Mandarin.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, and the mom says, the snakehead did this,
Speaker 1: and like that's we know, we've talked about that before.
Speaker 1: That's like someone who takes people across borders or into
Speaker 1: other countries, and like a lot of times they have
Speaker 1: very predatory like deals where you have to pay them
Speaker 1: back for years for getting you into the country or whatever.
Speaker 1: So the husband does not want to talk to Finn,
Speaker 1: even though Finn's like, I don't care about your immigration status,
Speaker 1: like I just want to find out who killed your son.
Speaker 1: And the dad's like, well, they said not to talk
Speaker 1: to you, and he's like who is they? And they
Speaker 1: is the Center for Immigrant Services who they refer to
Speaker 1: as CIS, and uh going forward, and he's like, call Keiko,
Speaker 1: so they go to speak to Keiko Nishimura played by
Speaker 1: Christine Toy Johnson. She's also an SVU repeat customer. She
Speaker 1: was in Countdown Lust and you might recognize her in
Speaker 1: some of the Teen Year episodes.
Speaker 4: She plays doctor Celia Lee.
Speaker 1: She's Noah's pediatrician who's like helping when Noah's first getting
Speaker 1: adopted by Benson. So she's very like the one that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's got a cracked rib and this with his breathing
Speaker 1: problems and all that. So uh, Keiko says, I know
Speaker 1: that the Woo's paid their snakehead in full because I'm
Speaker 1: the one who delivered the money, so I don't think
Speaker 1: it's this per and she's saying, this is so terrible
Speaker 1: about Scotty's death, especially after Ruby and Magda, so hold
Speaker 1: the fucking phone, Like, how do you know all three
Speaker 1: of these kids, all three families are clients of CIS
Speaker 1: and the organization was helping them all with their naturalization.
Speaker 1: And then they look at this huge photo of a
Speaker 1: bunch of kids and the three victims are in this
Speaker 1: group photo together. So fingo, So all three of these
Speaker 1: kids are you know, he says anchor babies to undocumented parents,
Speaker 1: which is derogatory. But what they're referring to as a
Speaker 1: child born in the United States, who lets the who
Speaker 1: because they are an American citizen.
Speaker 4: It allows the parents to stay in the United States.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna touch on this in when we get
Speaker 2: to the crime and it's like all propaganda and it's
Speaker 2: not even a real thing, okay, And it's like truly
Speaker 2: not how laws work, and it's all it was all
Speaker 2: man made by Republican hateful focks. Yeah, it's like not
Speaker 2: even real. Not shocked.
Speaker 4: Keiko's a fucking hero.
Speaker 1: She goes, you call them anchor babies, all the American citizens,
Speaker 1: which they are, they're American citizens, they're born here, and
Speaker 1: they're all connected to the center. So your program is
Speaker 1: a good place to search for targets. The cops tell her,
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, listen, we get bomb threats, vandalism,
Speaker 1: hate mail, and then she obviously whips out the stacks.
Speaker 4: Of all the hate mail.
Speaker 1: She's like, we try to ignore the politics and to
Speaker 1: remind the public that all these people that they call
Speaker 1: slurs are just like them, living, breathing human beings. And
Speaker 1: she says Fob's which I'd never heard as a slur before,
Speaker 1: but I guess it stands for fresh off the boat.
Speaker 1: And I think I hadn't read that before, but I
Speaker 1: feel like, Bob, there is a television show called Fresh
Speaker 1: off the Boat, So I mean, I feel.
Speaker 4: It's definitely a thing we would say to each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like if we saw like a fresher immigrant
Speaker 2: would be like what a fa, Like they're acting immigrant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why saying.
Speaker 2: Well, I've talked about this, like, that's why I wouldn't
Speaker 2: wear like denim jackets for a long time, because it
Speaker 2: just reminded me of my brother landing in America and
Speaker 2: he was wearing like an acid watched denim and jacket
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's that's so fre Like IW.
Speaker 1: You're literally signaling to everyone how fresh you are.
Speaker 2: And I was a kid, and so until my like
Speaker 2: mid twenties, I never wore a Dunhim jacket because it
Speaker 2: just reminded me of being an immigrant.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, how funny that certain things just like click
Speaker 1: because I've worn a Dunim jacket my whole life. Like
Speaker 1: certain things just like have that effect on you.
Speaker 4: Interesting. That's crazy. Wow. I never heard that really.
Speaker 2: I mean, but it's one of those things where definitely
Speaker 2: like you can't say it, but I can say it,
Speaker 2: you know, like that kind of a thing. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I think because I used to say it on stage
Speaker 2: and you could tell people would get weird and I
Speaker 2: would because I, you know, I just am like white
Speaker 2: and don't have an accent, and so then you'd have
Speaker 2: to explain yourself in that way. Or sometimes like on stage,
Speaker 2: we'll be like any immigrants here and then people are
Speaker 2: like uh oh and then it is normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well okay, so back to this episode. She horrific,
Speaker 1: this horrific episode. So Keiko is like, yeah, most of
Speaker 1: the people that write us are fans of this guy.
Speaker 1: And she happens to have the TV on and it's
Speaker 1: this guy named Gordon Garrison, the host of Flashpoint, and
Speaker 1: he's clearly like some Fox News dipshit, Like the name
Speaker 1: is so perfect, like Gordon Garrison, I'm surprised it's not real,
Speaker 1: Like I'm surprised that's not a real guy. That's like
Speaker 1: a perfect name for some fucking loser Glen Beck type, right,
Speaker 1: who used to live in my town. So but back
Speaker 1: to this fake Fox News. They play a clip of
Speaker 1: this guy, g Gordon Garrison, and he is played by
Speaker 1: the actor Bruce McGill, who you've seen in a million things.
Speaker 1: He has one hundred and sixty nine credits. He's been
Speaker 1: working since the seventies. He was a regular on mcguver,
Speaker 1: a regular on Rizzolian Isles. He's recently been on the
Speaker 1: show Lioness. He's in My cousin Vinnie Legally Blonde two.
Speaker 1: Like that's just me scanning his fucking IMDb for a
Speaker 1: few things I recognize, Like he's been in a ton
Speaker 1: Like you see him and you're like, I know that guy,
Speaker 1: and he's a perfect cast for this. He's got this
Speaker 1: kind of arched eyebrow that's like perfect for like a
Speaker 1: smug Fox News asshole, and he's basically doing yeah, like
Speaker 1: a Glenn Beck imitation and munch hates him obviously, and
Speaker 1: on his show he's got a guest who is Randall
Speaker 1: Carver played by John lara Quette, who is a huge
Speaker 1: part of my upbringing for some reason, even though I
Speaker 1: didn't watch a lot of night Court, he was a
Speaker 1: very famous actor. Like when I was growing up, he
Speaker 1: won the Best Supporting Actor in a Comedy Emmy four
Speaker 1: years in a row, which like we don't really see
Speaker 1: that happen anymore, and like night Court was this massive show.
Speaker 1: He ended up having the John lara Quett Show, I remember,
Speaker 1: and he was also on Boston Legal, like he works
Speaker 1: all the time. But he's also in a Clank family
Speaker 1: classic that I maybe have talked about on this podcast
Speaker 1: called Madhouse where he's married to Kirsty Ally Casey's laughing.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that movie, Casey? It's fucking unhinged and
Speaker 1: I've seen it so many times. It's from nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like definitely like a nineties movie, like
Speaker 1: it would be on HBO, And you know, I would
Speaker 1: just watch anything that came on HBO because we didn't
Speaker 1: have choices back then. Like my children will never know
Speaker 1: what it's like to just watch whatever comes on. But
Speaker 1: like it's basically this movie is about they're this like couple.
Speaker 1: They've got a great life, they have no kids, They're
Speaker 1: just like both doing awesome in their careers. They've got
Speaker 1: a nice house, and then family comes to visit, and
Speaker 1: then things just keep going wrong and getting fucked up,
Speaker 1: and the house just like more family keeps coming and
Speaker 1: it becomes this like psychotic where they're like, get them
Speaker 1: out of our house, but they like can't.
Speaker 4: Like it's I remember there's like a joke in it
Speaker 4: with that was like.
Speaker 2: A nineties thing though a lot of movies about guests. Y. Yeah,
Speaker 2: yet like going on like people Uncle Buck or whatnot. Right,
Speaker 2: that's the one therapist, Like just someone's in your home
Speaker 2: and you don't want them there. I can't kick them
Speaker 2: out totally. That's the thing of the past.
Speaker 1: Like one of the family members is pregnant and something
Speaker 1: happens where the doctor's like she's got to be on
Speaker 1: bed rush can't travel, so she has to spend the
Speaker 1: rest of her pregnancy at their house. And she's all
Speaker 1: like chained up in this bed with like her legs
Speaker 1: up and stuff, and she's talking about.
Speaker 4: The baby names.
Speaker 1: I remember her being like, well I was thinking about Treblinka,
Speaker 1: which is a concentration camp, and like there's just these
Speaker 1: crazy jokes in the movie that I remember when I'm
Speaker 1: ten years old being like what.
Speaker 4: The fuck is this movie?
Speaker 1: And so like I remember it's like where I learned
Speaker 1: what cocaine looks like.
Speaker 4: I mean, that movie was.
Speaker 1: Like a serious but it's like it obviously devolves and
Speaker 1: is wild and crazy. But yeah, those mad cat movies
Speaker 1: of like things just keep going wrong. We're such a
Speaker 1: huge genre in the nineties and eighties, and they're just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they're not really like they don't happen
Speaker 1: as much anymore unless it's like a Safty brother film
Speaker 1: and it makes you want to like rip your skin
Speaker 1: off because it's so stressful. But Carver, uh John Leraquat
Speaker 1: is playing Randall Carver, okay, and he's a lawyer who
Speaker 1: I guess is like very liberal and loves the ACLU,
Speaker 1: but he hates cops. So Finn does not like him,
Speaker 1: and he's making case on the show Like this is
Speaker 1: like basically something that I don't even think happens that
Speaker 1: much anymore, where like a fully liberal lawyer would go
Speaker 1: on to like Glenn Beck and talk about his point
Speaker 1: of view, like maybe it does, but like I know
Speaker 1: sometimes they like they put liberal people on panel shows
Speaker 1: on Fox News and stuff, but everybody in the audience
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, America's going to hell in a handbasket.
Speaker 1: And then this lawyer comes on like he's gonna change
Speaker 1: anyone's mind, Like I don't know, but he's making the
Speaker 1: case that these are just families trying to live the
Speaker 1: American dream. We're all immigrants, like we all came to
Speaker 1: this country from somewhere else. And he's, you know, he's correct,
Speaker 1: all his ideas are correct. And then this Garrison guy
Speaker 1: takes a page right out of the Maga playbook, which
Speaker 1: is terrifying because this aired fifteen years ago, and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: my audience are honest citizens, and they're tired of these
Speaker 1: criminals overrunning their neighborhoods.
Speaker 4: Like again, like I just I live in Los.
Speaker 1: Angeles where these fucking ice raids are happening, and these
Speaker 1: are not criminals that are getting kidnapped off the street.
Speaker 4: So it's fucked. So Carver says like.
Speaker 2: But even these idea of these criminals, it's like the
Speaker 2: people most scared of this self, like stay out of
Speaker 2: our fucking city. Yeah, if you're scared of all these immigrants, good,
Speaker 2: you live on a farm. No one gives a shit
Speaker 2: about you. Like, why are you so concerned? Do you
Speaker 2: hate us all? We're all heathens from hell, so let
Speaker 2: us fucking burn, Like Lee, I don't understand it. I
Speaker 2: don't understand being like acting tough but being scared of
Speaker 2: these immigrants. I don't understand how that works. How you're
Speaker 2: like yeah, I mean and then like you're scared of
Speaker 2: what a man at a Chinese restaurant?
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like classic scapegoating. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like they are upset that their lives aren't
Speaker 1: going well and they need someone to blame, and this
Speaker 1: is who the government is telling them to blame instead
Speaker 1: of the fucking billionaires and you know everybody, like the
Speaker 1: people that are really in charge. So Carver is actually like, well,
Speaker 1: you know who the real criminals are.
Speaker 2: But also so with the casting, with the two of them,
Speaker 2: they could also each play each other totally.
Speaker 4: Yes, they very much could.
Speaker 1: Also because John Leroquette is speaking in like a Benoi
Speaker 1: Blanc Frank Underwood type accent, like, well, now the rooster,
Speaker 1: who's the rooster in Looney Tunes. Yeah, yeah, fog Horn leghorn. Right,
Speaker 1: it's like very like it's like I don't know where
Speaker 1: he's from, but I'm like Louisiana, you know. He's like
Speaker 1: he's basically like, you know, you know who the real
Speaker 1: criminals are is the police?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: So like and I watched all of House of Cards,
Speaker 1: like Frank Underwood's the same care kind of character. And
Speaker 1: so then he accuses the police of turning a blind
Speaker 1: eye to the crimes against immigrants and against children, and
Speaker 1: he name checks SPU specifically, and he wants people to
Speaker 1: meet him at a rally outside of SPU headquarters. And
Speaker 1: it's like, who would be watching that show that would
Speaker 1: agree with you? Who would be watching that show and go,
Speaker 1: you're right, why aren't they finding the murderer of these children?
Speaker 1: The people watching the show don't care that these children
Speaker 1: of color are being murdered.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like, I get it's a show.
Speaker 1: We got to introduce all these character we got to
Speaker 1: set it up, but it's like, what's happening, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think like AOC is going on Bill O'Reilly and
Speaker 1: then going, everybody meet me in times square, like that's
Speaker 1: not happening.
Speaker 2: You know, she'd probably need to get extra security. I
Speaker 2: just can't imagine seeing a kid and being like, ill, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't care, Yeah, I don't care. Their moms shouldn't
Speaker 2: have done that. Get them over it, like scum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'scum. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now there's like a full blown rally going on
Speaker 1: outside of SVU or maybe it's the courthouse. I can't
Speaker 1: really tell where they are, but it's fully like it's
Speaker 1: half disgusting freaks screaming for immigrants to go home, and
Speaker 1: like they're not just like chanting, they are like their
Speaker 1: faces are fucked up, like they're so angry, and they're
Speaker 1: just like get out of here like this, you know,
Speaker 1: go home. And then there's like the normal side of
Speaker 1: protesters that are like this country was built by immigrants
Speaker 1: and they're doing their things. And then John le Riquette
Speaker 1: is leading a chant that's a little half assed. It's like, SVU,
Speaker 1: what do you say, Hey, how many kids are gonna
Speaker 1: die today? And I don't think it's one that really
Speaker 1: liked the that would get picked up, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's like one of the hotter chants. And uh, anyway,
Speaker 1: he starts questioning Finn right there, and then there's a
Speaker 1: camera on him. The hot reporter is there, Nicole from
Speaker 1: the Ledger, and he's like, well, we want to know
Speaker 1: why this killer hasn't been caught, and it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, didn't they find like the third victim like yesterday.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It just feels like they're always.
Speaker 1: Like, what it's taking so long, NYPD, And so Lara
Speaker 1: Katz's character is like, yeah, we all want to know
Speaker 1: why the killer hasn't been caught, and then this wacko
Speaker 1: comes up and goes, no, we all want to know
Speaker 1: why these illegal aliens are still here.
Speaker 4: It's like so bonkers.
Speaker 1: But this guy ranting about illegal aliens like kind of
Speaker 1: touches Finn, like puts his hands on his shoulders, and
Speaker 1: Finn wants this guy's like nasty racist paws off of him,
Speaker 1: so he shoves him off, and then Carver yells police brutality,
Speaker 1: and it's like you, Carver, like you're kind of the
Speaker 1: problem with like liberal politics, and to a point, it's like,
Speaker 1: why are you accusing of this like these this psycho
Speaker 1: racist is putting his hand on a cop who is
Speaker 1: shoving him. Away, that's not police brutality. You're a lawyer
Speaker 1: and you know it, so Finn. Then Carver gets in
Speaker 1: his face, and Finn gives Carver a little baby shove
Speaker 1: and calls him a jack hole. And maybe that is
Speaker 1: taking it too far because Carver didn't touch him. But
Speaker 1: the next thing we see is a slowed down version
Speaker 1: of it on TV and the Chief of DS is
Speaker 1: watching it and the chiron at the bottom reads special
Speaker 1: Violence Unit. Uh oh, and Finn is still in his
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck era. He goes, whatever, give me
Speaker 1: the rip. I gotta go find this killer. And then
Speaker 1: the Chief of d's is like, yeah, go ahead, Totuola,
Speaker 1: walk on out to your next career. I'm sure you'll
Speaker 1: enjoy being a mall cop. Uh oh, don't you, Paul Blart,
Speaker 1: Finn Tutuola. So Finn comes back and is like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I lost my cool with Carver and the
Speaker 1: chief He's like, I apologize, and the chief goes, okay,
Speaker 1: now go say it again to that asswad who's making
Speaker 1: our lives hell. Asswad seems like such a fifth grade insult,
Speaker 1: but here we are. The chief of Detectives is using it.
Speaker 1: Finn shows up at the Carver Justice Center to see
Speaker 1: Carver and apologize, and we hear the faint sound of
Speaker 1: yelling coming from his office, and if you have your
Speaker 1: captions on like I do, it's like you can hear
Speaker 1: somebody going, you're ruining America. Gordon Garrison says so, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly a glass door just shatters and inside Carver's office,
Speaker 1: Finn runs in there there's a dude freaking out, calling
Speaker 1: Carver's clients rats and roaches. And I'm sorry to bring
Speaker 1: up something that has touched your life so recently, Lisa,
Speaker 1: but that is what he says. And he's like, why
Speaker 1: don't you stand up for Americans once in a while.
Speaker 1: And the guy who's ranting in there is a friend
Speaker 1: of the pod, Thomas Sadowski. He is he did play
Speaker 1: the man with the douchey hat who Rollins was dating
Speaker 1: from AA and he's obviously a different character here.
Speaker 2: And married to Amanda Sipher, Yes, yes, yes, And he's
Speaker 2: married to Amanda Seyfrid, another SVU queen who well, it's
Speaker 2: funny because when he did the pod he said how
Speaker 2: Amanda was like, we, I mean, I've been on SVU
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, babe, come on down.
Speaker 4: We're we're already.
Speaker 2: It's not based on a crime, I don't think, but
Speaker 2: we'll take it.
Speaker 1: Amanda Seifert's husband, Thomas Sedowski's there ranting and fucking raving
Speaker 1: like a lunatic about you know, illegal immigrants ruining our country,
Speaker 1: and Finn walks in and lays the guy out immediately,
Speaker 1: which is awesome, and he looks like so shocked. He's like,
Speaker 1: why are you doing this to me? I'm here to
Speaker 1: help America. And he's quoting Gordon Garrison and calling Carver
Speaker 1: a liberal elite, and it's like it is so like
Speaker 1: fifteen years have gone by and like nothing has changed.
Speaker 1: These psycho people are still like using the same vernacular,
Speaker 1: they still have the same ideas. Finn tells Carver this
Speaker 1: is when you say thank you, and he arrests the guy.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So Carver follows Finn out to the cop car and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I won't be pressing charges against mister Thaggart,
Speaker 1: and he thinks he's just a misguided fan of Gordon Garrison,
Speaker 1: and Finn's like, you just want to make cops look
Speaker 1: like the bad guys again. But Carver's like, look, I'll
Speaker 1: call it even with you if you just let this
Speaker 1: guy go.
Speaker 4: So Finn lets him go, like even though it's.
Speaker 1: Like he seems like a danger to other people and
Speaker 1: like possibly himself. But when Finn gets back to the precinct,
Speaker 1: hot Ledger reporter Nicole is sitting on.
Speaker 4: His desk and he's not that happy to see her.
Speaker 4: He like sighs.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, she's pretty gorgeous. It's kind
Speaker 1: of insane that you're like, oh, not this, and she
Speaker 1: wants to help. She's like, listen, I wanted that your
Speaker 1: story on the front page. But my boss blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And she's like what arey is mad? Yeah, and she's
Speaker 1: like whatever, you got to lead out of it, and
Speaker 1: he's like yeah, but while I was wasting my time
Speaker 1: chasing the delivery boy lead, the real killer got Scotti woo,
Speaker 1: which is true. But it's like, Finn, you weren't really
Speaker 1: like hot on the tail of the killer. You know, like, yes,
Speaker 1: you could have been using that time, I guess in
Speaker 1: a different way, but you weren't, like and so yeah,
Speaker 1: Finn is like super hit hard by this case. As
Speaker 1: we've said, he's like, I've got nothing. These innocent kids
Speaker 1: are dying. And then she's really trying to make a
Speaker 1: move on him and he's not going for it, and
Speaker 1: she's like, okay, well enjoy your pity party and walks off.
Speaker 1: And now he's got no killer, no pretty lady. He's sad.
Speaker 1: So at the top of AC three, Finn is staring
Speaker 1: at positively enormous photos of these children and they're up
Speaker 1: on the board and they're just so big. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's so sad they're dead kids. We don't have to
Speaker 1: have their pictures. They don't need to be like twenty
Speaker 1: five by forty, you know. So Liv walks in and
Speaker 1: Finn is immediately being such a dick. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not in the mood for a pep talk, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't come to give you when I came to
Speaker 1: give you these, and she drops a stack of files
Speaker 1: on the desk and he goes, are.
Speaker 4: You kidding me? Paperwork?
Speaker 1: And then he like pushes them all onto the floor
Speaker 1: and he's really wild for that. It's like, have you
Speaker 1: met Benson, Like she's not giving you paperwork, that's not
Speaker 1: even her job at the precinct to like distribute paperwork
Speaker 1: to other detectives, like, and she's like, actually their employee
Speaker 1: files for all the vendors at the Center for Immigration Services,
Speaker 1: which I figured someone who goes in and out of
Speaker 1: there all the time might be your guy. And Finn's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, you've actually been running down leads from me
Speaker 1: and I've been acting like a piece of shit.
Speaker 4: And he's like, you know, he like she talks about
Speaker 4: how this.
Speaker 1: Is like this case is hitting him different, like he
Speaker 1: feels strongly because like these are kids of color, but
Speaker 1: also because it feels like no one gives a shit
Speaker 1: to him, you know.
Speaker 4: But he's like, all right, Munch, let's get to work.
Speaker 4: He screams.
Speaker 1: He goes Munch, and Munch like is seemingly snoozing, and
Speaker 1: he's like ough, and they're like, let's hit the hate
Speaker 1: mail again. So now after a while they're going through
Speaker 1: and Finn goes, I'm not finding Dick and I kind
Speaker 1: of like that he's allowed to say that on network television,
Speaker 1: and Munch goes, well, there's enough bad grammar here to
Speaker 1: think that the problem is education, not immigration, And you're
Speaker 1: absolutely correct, that is part of the problem with almost
Speaker 1: every right wing talking point. As they're going through the mail,
Speaker 1: Finn makes a connection though, He's like, holy shit, Joe Thaggard,
Speaker 1: that's the guy who was attacking Carver, who we let go.
Speaker 1: He works for the company that shreds this this immigration
Speaker 1: center's paperwork, so that means he'd have access to all
Speaker 1: their home addresses. And Finn's like, and I fucking let
Speaker 1: him go three hours ago. Oh, he's pissed. And then
Speaker 1: the next thing we see is the cops busting down
Speaker 1: Thaggridg's door. Finn immediately checks the temp on the coffee
Speaker 1: pot and goes he hasn't been gone long. It's hilarious,
Speaker 1: Like he rides straight for the coffee pot and it's
Speaker 1: like it's nighttime, but I know he made a night
Speaker 1: time pot of coffee and it's still warm, so he's nearby.
Speaker 1: In another room, they find this guy's full plan room. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's picks of the of the of the victims playing
Speaker 1: at a park like that he's taken surveillance style. They're
Speaker 1: missing posters with exes through their faces, like, and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even really know why there are missing
Speaker 1: posters because most of these kids like were found very quickly,
Speaker 1: but whatever, He's got four more kids lined up after
Speaker 1: them to be next.
Speaker 4: So they bring in families of three of these kids.
Speaker 1: They're all okay, they're all like talking to Stabler and
Speaker 1: Benson and all the different people, and they're like, where's Finn.
Speaker 4: He's in bay Ridge getting the al Haziz family. Uh oh.
Speaker 1: When he gets there, he finds the mom tied up
Speaker 1: on the couch with tape over her mouth, and it's
Speaker 1: very dark, as this show always is, but I guess
Speaker 1: the dad is like knocked out on the floor. So
Speaker 1: out comes this psychopath freak faggered with this little kid
Speaker 1: who's like, I don't want to go with you, and
Speaker 1: seeing Finn like spooks him enough that he lets the
Speaker 1: kid go and he runs. So the kid is okay, few,
Speaker 1: you know, one silver lining of this whole thing, and
Speaker 1: and Finn runs after this loser and then holds a
Speaker 1: gun on him, going you better grow wings or I'm
Speaker 1: a blow your brains all over the street. Another good one,
Speaker 1: I mean, another one for the coffee table book. So
Speaker 1: now we've got this crazy psycho in cement room bars
Speaker 1: and he's like denying everything. He goes I drank some
Speaker 1: beers and went into the wrong apartment. It's like, we
Speaker 1: know where you live, like we are the price, we
Speaker 1: know where you live. We're in Bay Ridge. You didn't
Speaker 1: walk to bay Ridge by accident. You live in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: He says he walked through the wrong apartment and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: oh really, and then you accidentally knocked the dad out
Speaker 1: and tied up the mom. He's denying everything, which is wild,
Speaker 1: but he's revealing more of his Bonker's ideology.
Speaker 4: He's like, well, no, we'll never get rid of these people.
Speaker 1: Like if we get rid of one, three more pop up,
Speaker 1: like someone has to even the score, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Like he's just like saying all these insane right wing
Speaker 1: talking points. So Finn calls my baby killer and goes, yes,
Speaker 1: say it baby killer. And then this guy just turns
Speaker 1: to Finn and says, I only got one word for you,
Speaker 1: and he calls him the racial slur that is rhymes
Speaker 1: with uh spoon okay, and he goes and you can
Speaker 1: see Finn is like ooh, like his face is getting
Speaker 1: wrinkled up.
Speaker 4: He's seething.
Speaker 1: But first of all, go back and listen to our
Speaker 1: interview with Thomas Sadowski where we talked to him. We
Speaker 1: actually talked to him episode thirty two of the podcast,
Speaker 1: so two hundred plus episodes ago. We talked to him
Speaker 1: for the episode Rapist Anonymous, and I believe we talked
Speaker 1: to him about having to say that to iced team,
Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of I think he gives
Speaker 1: us a little bit of tea about this episode as well.
Speaker 4: Finn is seething.
Speaker 1: Craigan and Cabot are just watching through the window and
Speaker 1: Cabit's like, this guy's dead.
Speaker 2: I mean he's always catching straights. Jin is always getting
Speaker 2: a slur at it. Yeah, he really is.
Speaker 1: He really is, and I mean everybody else that works
Speaker 1: on the squad as white as hell, so he's like
Speaker 1: the one that's getting the most racist shit, and Finn
Speaker 1: will like like capit thinks Finn's about to pop this
Speaker 1: guy in the fucking mouth, but he's not gonna obviously
Speaker 1: let this guy have the satisfaction, and he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: is that the best you got?
Speaker 4: Suddenly this guy is very.
Speaker 1: Cocky like he to me seems like he has a
Speaker 1: personality disorder because he goes he vacillates very wildly from
Speaker 1: like super cocky to like, I'm so innocent, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's really weird, and he's suddenly so cocky, going, well,
Speaker 1: it's more than you've got, which is nothing. And then
Speaker 1: finn cell phone rings, and thank god, it's Munch calling
Speaker 1: from what he calls xenophobe manner, which I love. And
Speaker 1: he's like, he's got the mother load of evidence. He's
Speaker 1: got barrels in the garage. This guy has a garage, Like,
Speaker 1: what's happening. He's got the chain. He's got a chain
Speaker 1: with blood and skin tissue on it. It's like again
Speaker 1: with these fucking killers, it's like, you're gonna be so
Speaker 1: careful about not leaving any DNA or hair or anything
Speaker 1: at the scene. The only thing tying to it is
Speaker 1: the murder weapon, and you keep it. I just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, watch a television show once. But he's
Speaker 1: still got the you know what I mean, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: never gonna catch me. And I'm and I'm off. He
Speaker 1: honestly thinks he's doing something good, I think. So Finn
Speaker 1: tells Thagger, well, we got your creepy little target board
Speaker 1: at your house, plus all of this evidence, and then
Speaker 1: he plops the photos of the kids down in front
Speaker 1: of him, and suddenly seeing the photos of the children,
Speaker 1: he's just fully admitting the whole thing. And he tells
Speaker 1: Finn he gets so like innocent looking, and he goes,
Speaker 1: what I did was right. America's going to hell. They
Speaker 1: wrecked my life and they're destroying this my country. Like
Speaker 1: what the fuck, dude, Like, so now you So that
Speaker 1: Finn goes, well, now you get to be part of
Speaker 1: the little Rainbow coalition we call prison. Plenty of quote
Speaker 1: unquote them will be your new pals. So in walks
Speaker 1: Cabot and she's got Carver with her, and it turns
Speaker 1: out he's not there to press charges. He's there to
Speaker 1: defend this crazy person pro bono.
Speaker 4: Finn can't believe it.
Speaker 1: He's like, this fuck killed three kids, and Carver's like, yes,
Speaker 1: but he did it because his mind has been filled
Speaker 1: with hate by people like Gordon Garrison. This is classic SVU, like, yes,
Speaker 1: the person did it, but there's some outside force. There's
Speaker 1: the actor who tells people not to take their drugs.
Speaker 1: There's like, you know, we've done there's so many svus
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, it's actually the toy company's fault,
Speaker 1: you know, And you know, it's definitely partially their fault.
Speaker 1: But this is like a classic trope of the show,
Speaker 1: and he says it just.
Speaker 2: Never works in court because tons of people watch that
Speaker 2: show and don't commit murders exactly, you know, it's exactly still,
Speaker 2: And then he has the audacity to say, this man
Speaker 2: is as much a victim as the three kids, and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 1: You could if you want to try to paint him
Speaker 1: as a victim of rainwashing or something, go for it.
Speaker 1: He's not an innocent child that was choked out with
Speaker 1: a bike chain.
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 1: At arraignment, Thaggard is pleading not guilty to our favorite judge,
Speaker 1: Lois Preston. Cabot wants remand and she gets it. Carver
Speaker 1: hands a motion to Cabot basically claiming that Thagert was brainwashed,
Speaker 1: that Gordon Garrison made him commit these crimes, and that
Speaker 1: persistent viewing a flashpoint convinced him that undocumented immigrants posed
Speaker 1: a threat to national security. And Cabot's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and listening to MPR will turn us all into zombies.
Speaker 4: It's like, lol, well.
Speaker 1: We're in the future now, Cabot, and our government is
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of MPR, so kind of not
Speaker 1: really an issue anymore. But Carver says that authority figures
Speaker 1: spewing hate speech is a danger, and Judge Lois agrees
Speaker 1: to allow the defense. She says, there's precedence for this
Speaker 1: brainwashing defense. So now it's time on the show where
Speaker 1: the gang sits around and debates their own personal views
Speaker 1: of the case. Stabler thinks Saggart is just a loser,
Speaker 1: bigot trying to avoid a life sentence and lives like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what will the jury believe? And Cabot says, well,
Speaker 1: the brainwashing defense didn't work for Patty Hurst, and she
Speaker 1: was more sympathetic than Thaggard. I didn't realize that Patty
Speaker 1: Hurst actually was convicted. Like Patty Hurst, who was kidnapped
Speaker 1: by the Symbolyze Limeration Army or whatever some kind of
Speaker 1: culty thing they held her. She eventually got Stockholm syndrome
Speaker 1: and became like part of their mission, and when she
Speaker 1: came back, she talked like with flat affect, like people
Speaker 1: thought she was like a zombie. And yet she still
Speaker 1: was tried in court for like a bank robbery that
Speaker 1: she participated in, and she was given seven years, but
Speaker 1: I think she only served like less than two years,
Speaker 1: and then the president I think pardoned her, I think,
Speaker 1: or commuted her sentence or something like that. So that's
Speaker 1: like wild, But I guess Munch argues that, yeah, pat
Speaker 1: Patty Hurst wouldn't have done anything criminal if the cult
Speaker 1: hadn't kidnapped her and hadn't fucked with her psychologically, So
Speaker 1: maybe that is like kind of what's going on with
Speaker 1: this guy, I guess, But cabots like Hurst would have
Speaker 1: been acquitted today, like in the seventies, no one knew
Speaker 1: about Stockholm syndrome or Jim Jones.
Speaker 4: But Thaggart's never even met this guy.
Speaker 1: Plus, like Lisa just said, millions of people watch this
Speaker 1: show and they don't go out killing kids. So the
Speaker 1: jury to consider only if Thaggard is nuts, not like.
Speaker 4: Really anything else.
Speaker 1: But Munch talks about how the Internet and the twenty
Speaker 1: four hours news cycle has given more crack pots the
Speaker 1: vehicle with which to command people to do bad shit,
Speaker 1: and even if they're doing it not directly, like he's
Speaker 1: not saying go out and kill them, but he's spreading
Speaker 1: enough like shit that he knows he's like it's going
Speaker 1: to start something you know, and Munch said, like, did
Speaker 1: you know that the Department of Homeland Security released a
Speaker 1: report about the rise of right wing extremism after Obama's election?
Speaker 4: And Finn's like, can we just leave the brother out
Speaker 4: of it? Munch?
Speaker 1: But he is right, and he's like, I just want
Speaker 1: them to take radical fringe groups seriously, Like it's not
Speaker 1: Obama's fault. It's like the racism that's ingrained in our
Speaker 1: country's history, Like Obama's election. I've listened to like an
Speaker 1: interesting podcast about this, where, like.
Speaker 4: I think it was a Malcolm.
Speaker 1: Gladwell episode about how we thought everybody thought when Obama
Speaker 1: was elected that we had sort of moved forward in
Speaker 1: our racism as a country. But really it's on a
Speaker 1: lot of the shit we're dealing with today. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying we shouldn't have elected Obama. I love Obama, but
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of bubbling shit. Nothing just went
Speaker 1: Everybody didn't just go, oh, great, now we have a
Speaker 1: black president and we respect black people and people of color,
Speaker 1: you know, like it made all these people bubble for
Speaker 1: a long time, and then Trump fucking unleashed the gates.
Speaker 2: Well, it also was just like, well a black dude's president,
Speaker 2: So shut up, what do you mean you're not racist?
Speaker 4: How can we be racist if a black guy as president?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: You know it's like that kind of nonsense too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what's so weird about the right, where
Speaker 2: it's like you don't want to go to the doctor.
Speaker 4: I just I don't get.
Speaker 2: I just don't get what they're so against, and it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's really crazy. While their lives don't
Speaker 2: actually change, like when Democrats are, their lives never get worse. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that it's just literally some people just
Speaker 2: they want to get mad at something and they're not
Speaker 2: like there's a little bit of a lack of education
Speaker 2: for a lot of them. Not all my parents vote Republican, like,
Speaker 2: but there I don't think that they're stupid people, but
Speaker 2: there is like the Fox News brainwashing I think is real.
Speaker 2: And then there's also like these people that you respect
Speaker 2: and think are smart are telling you xyz.
Speaker 1: So you're just kind of like, yeah, I'm going with that,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's bad. But anyway, now we're
Speaker 1: at trial. Thaggart is on the stand and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I got into flashpoint after the Coast Guard ding ding
Speaker 1: Ding he was in the military, and he's like, it
Speaker 1: was between it was between watching Flashpoint and soaps. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, dude, it's two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: I think there's other stuff on TV beside soaps and Flashpoint,
Speaker 1: Like I think you wanted to watch Flashpoint, you know.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I couldn't get work despite having skills.
Speaker 1: I lost my car, my house, my girlfriend left, and
Speaker 1: Gordon told him that all of this happened because jobs
Speaker 1: were going to illegal immigrants who worked for lower.
Speaker 4: Wages, and he's pissed.
Speaker 1: He's like, I spent thirteen years defending this country and
Speaker 1: you're just going to give my job away and again,
Speaker 1: and it's like I don't think that's happening, but go
Speaker 1: off king whatever you say. And he's like, these people
Speaker 1: don't pay taxes, not true, they don't pay their hospital bills.
Speaker 1: Then he goes then their women pop out anchor babies
Speaker 1: and they get to stay forever. Like it's it's like
Speaker 1: the language is so fuz so clip from Caleb's podcast
Speaker 1: and he was just like, what kind of nerd?
Speaker 4: Are you show me your papers? Like who do you
Speaker 4: why you care? Why do you care so much?
Speaker 2: It's it really you need someone legally he or not,
Speaker 2: like live your life. It's like they are empty. They
Speaker 2: are empty and have nothing to live for. Like why
Speaker 2: don't you just focus on your people and your life
Speaker 2: and your interests, like mind your business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like okay, like let's say you've been touched
Speaker 1: by gang violence, which none of these people have. I
Speaker 1: don't care either, like I want you to. I want
Speaker 1: you to find the gang guys and put them in jail.
Speaker 1: I don't even put them in jail in our country.
Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't need anybody sent home. They're
Speaker 4: gonna go to jail for murder.
Speaker 1: They're probably not Like what are we talking about, like
Speaker 1: immigrant like.
Speaker 2: Plan if it wasn't real, Like we know it's a
Speaker 2: tactic to get these people involved, and like that the
Speaker 2: people truly benefiting that make money off of this don't
Speaker 2: even care about this stuff. It's like they're sociopaths that
Speaker 2: don't care about humanity.
Speaker 4: And then these fools really are believing. It's really it's
Speaker 4: really hard to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to wrap my head around like what do
Speaker 2: I care if you're here legally or not? Like I
Speaker 2: just don't want to pay, the rich don't pay, and
Speaker 2: all of these things that you're mad at these immigrants
Speaker 2: about the rich people are doing. They're they're actually doing
Speaker 2: the things and taking your jobs and moving them overseas
Speaker 2: or whatever, and like selling your water to people I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, why.
Speaker 1: Don't we make mandates about these corporations hiring more veterans
Speaker 1: that have skills? Like why don't we instead of just
Speaker 1: blaming these random people that I bet like are not
Speaker 1: even are not taking your jobs in a.
Speaker 4: Lot of way, you know, like I mean veterans. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well that's because this guy is like shit, you treat
Speaker 4: veterans like shit.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't you know. I follow some influencer, Matt Burned.
Speaker 1: He's like Matt XIV, which I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people allow him, but he posted something that was just
Speaker 1: like I don't care about illegal immigration and I never
Speaker 1: have and I never will and I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm like, we live in the most massive country.
Speaker 1: The statistics say that most like most immigrants into this
Speaker 1: country are not using our welfare like resources, which is
Speaker 1: all this propaganda. Lie, I don't care, like I never,
Speaker 1: I do not care like and I never you cannot
Speaker 1: convince me to care about this being a problem, Like
Speaker 1: I just don't. I live in a city full of immigrants,
Speaker 1: and I think it makes our city great. Like if
Speaker 1: anyone's going to be bothered by it, it should be people
Speaker 1: that live in these cities and we're not so is alone.
Speaker 2: And it's so race space, Like it's like racism disguised
Speaker 2: as something else, Like you don't care about immigration, No
Speaker 2: one ever talks to me about my immigration, right, no
Speaker 2: one's ever asked how I care what's going on or
Speaker 2: when I got naturalized, nothing saying no one cares.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get randomly picked up off the street
Speaker 1: just because of what you look like.
Speaker 2: You know, That's what I mean. It's just like another
Speaker 2: racist thing. And I'm also sick of people posting going,
Speaker 2: this is not what our country is. Where is this
Speaker 2: country gone? Like get a clue, yea, It's always been
Speaker 2: this from the moment the whites settled here.
Speaker 4: They've been murdering and racist.
Speaker 2: So like stop like that bothers me too, of like
Speaker 2: I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: And yeah, really clutching your pearls about it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like fucking nuts, Like have you not watched footage from
Speaker 1: like any other decade. It's hard not to spin out.
Speaker 1: It is hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really hard not to spin out because
Speaker 2: it's like it's all the red string. It's also interconnected
Speaker 2: and insidious and gross, and people are so suffering.
Speaker 4: People are suffering. I mean I literally.
Speaker 1: Watched this awful video yesterday that I can't stop thinking
Speaker 1: about of this guy getting taken so forcibly and his
Speaker 1: two adult sons are marines, Like he came to this country,
Speaker 1: made a better life for himself, not a fucking criminal,
Speaker 1: had two kids that grew up and fought for our country,
Speaker 1: and they're just tackling him on the pavement like a
Speaker 1: fucking animal. Like it's awful, Like I can't, I just
Speaker 1: it's it's so fucked.
Speaker 4: But but it's all this and that's where do you
Speaker 4: see the news.
Speaker 2: It's the dehumanization of these people and like yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 1: Keep yeah, I'm sorry, Okay, we're back at this fucking
Speaker 1: trial with this asshole on the stand.
Speaker 4: He's and I'm sorry, we keep spinning out. It's hard, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's hard.
Speaker 1: This episode is really like so we've probably never done
Speaker 1: an episode except for the episode we've done about abortion
Speaker 1: right before they took away Row, Like this is so
Speaker 1: what's happening right now? He says, So he makes this
Speaker 1: comment about the anchor babies and then and then they're like,
Speaker 1: well but not if their children are dead, right, Like
Speaker 1: they would have to go back to their country.
Speaker 4: And he goes, I must have been crazy to.
Speaker 1: Hurt those kids, like he's really putting on a little
Speaker 1: show here, and he's like, I know murder is a sin,
Speaker 1: but when I watched Flashpoint, it all made sense, and
Speaker 1: like Gordon said, we had to do something. He said,
Speaker 1: desperate times call for desperate measures, and a true patriot
Speaker 1: never shirks his duty. And he says, like that's the thing,
Speaker 1: like these guys I think on Fox News and stuff
Speaker 1: do use buzzwords to get like guys that are either
Speaker 1: military or like these hyper masculine guys, like you got
Speaker 1: to be a patriot. You got to do your duty,
Speaker 1: You got to help the country. It's on you and
Speaker 1: only you. And he's like the guy. Thaggard goes, I'm
Speaker 1: not smart or rich and powerful, but I love my country,
Speaker 1: and Gordon says love isn't enough and you have to
Speaker 1: prove it.
Speaker 4: So I did, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm so sorry I killed those kids,
Speaker 1: and he's crying and I don't care. I'm not moved
Speaker 1: by the tears. He wishes he never listened to Gordon Garrison.
Speaker 1: And now it's Cabot's turn, and she's also not buying
Speaker 1: the tears, and she's like, wow, you really thought a
Speaker 1: true patriot would brutally murder three children, And Gordon Gordon goes, well,
Speaker 1: this is a war and soldiers have to kill. It's like,
Speaker 1: you're on the coastguard, bro, Like, I'm sorry, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm not just different branches of
Speaker 1: the military, but I doubt this guy ever fucking killed
Speaker 1: anyone in the military.
Speaker 4: And then get ready for this. Cabot's got receipts.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker was dishonorably discharged for calling his CEO a
Speaker 1: racial slur and refusing to take orders from him because
Speaker 1: he was he was Latino. And he goes, but I
Speaker 1: don't blame him, I blame Affirmative Action for that. So
Speaker 1: Cabot's like, oh, so you've always been a homegrown American racist,
Speaker 1: even before Flashpoint. And then there's an objection, but Cabot
Speaker 1: moves on and she goes, So, if you thought this
Speaker 1: was the best idea ever, why didn't you call up
Speaker 1: the show and tell Garrison what you did? Like that
Speaker 1: loser kid who calls up the BJ Cameron show in
Speaker 1: the episode Obscene, Like at least he's like, BJ made
Speaker 1: me do it, and BJ says, somebody go do this,
Speaker 1: and then the kid does it, and then he calls and.
Speaker 4: Says I did it.
Speaker 1: This guy's really trying to draw like a lot of
Speaker 1: parallels with this.
Speaker 2: Fucking and also like, yeah, you're acting like a tough guy,
Speaker 2: but you're like, hey, little daddy, do you like the
Speaker 2: crime I committed?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I did it for you. Yeah, That's how I feel
Speaker 2: with the Rogan Bros. And all these agro comics. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're all sucking the little tit this man and don't
Speaker 2: have anything without aminy it.
Speaker 4: You feel like you're some like masculine person. It's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, this fucking guy like committed these crimes
Speaker 1: in this guy's honor, but then never like got in
Speaker 1: touch with him to sort of say anything about.
Speaker 4: It, and not like a little letter, a little tweet.
Speaker 1: Nothing, but like of course he probably don't want to
Speaker 1: get caught. But he looks at her he goes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: that never occurred to me. It's like freaky, how much
Speaker 1: this guy's personality is sort of like shifts, like he
Speaker 1: shifts from being like I'm an innocent brainwashing victim to like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I did call my coo a bad word, but
Speaker 1: that's because he should not have the position that he has,
Speaker 1: and he only got it because of the color of
Speaker 1: his skin, you know, Like he's nuts, this guy, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't even realize how to fake it the right way.
Speaker 1: And Cabot's like, yeah, that's because like you weren't actually brainwashed,
Speaker 1: you're a murderer who didn't want to get caught. So
Speaker 1: then outside now I don't know if we're all recess
Speaker 1: or whatever. Finn approaches Carver and he's like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand why you're defending the fucking nutball, and Carver's like, well,
Speaker 1: Thaggard's a symptom.
Speaker 4: Flagger's a symptom, not the disease, okay.
Speaker 1: And Carver puts Garrison in the same sentence with beck
Speaker 1: O'Reilly Limbaugh. All of them are like a cancer spreading
Speaker 1: ignorance and hate. And I will say, as somebody who
Speaker 1: grew up listening to Rush Limbaugh in the car with
Speaker 1: my father every single day, it was quite easy for
Speaker 1: me to go, oh no, not these guys. Not these guys.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I think we're all free thinkers.
Speaker 1: I wish everyone could just be like, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: have to just what your parents were watching and getting
Speaker 1: exposing you to. It doesn't have to be like the
Speaker 1: end all be all, And I think that is true
Speaker 1: with a lot of people, like passes down from family
Speaker 1: to family. But anyway he goes, they convince Americans that
Speaker 1: immigrants are to blame instead of corporations that don't pay
Speaker 1: a living wage or a broken healthcare system.
Speaker 4: So Finn tells him save the soapbox.
Speaker 1: Even though it's like he's correct, Finn, like you could
Speaker 1: obviously just agree with him on his points. But then
Speaker 1: Carver gets to the real reas why he's defending this
Speaker 1: piece of shit, and it's because his daddy was in
Speaker 1: the KKK.
Speaker 4: Daddy was in the clan, and when.
Speaker 1: He asks, when he asked his dad why they did lynchings,
Speaker 1: his dad said, son, some men just need killing. And
Speaker 1: then Finn's like, okay, so daddy issues. It's pretty funny,
Speaker 1: Like he like opens up and is like, my dad
Speaker 1: was this horrible person and I ended the cycle. And
Speaker 1: Finn's like, hm, daddy issues. And so he's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you get baggered off on this charge, then the
Speaker 1: KKK is gonna be pumped, so maybe you'll get your
Speaker 1: very own hood. And Carver's like, I hate the Klan
Speaker 1: and everything they stand for, but they did teach me
Speaker 1: that a good man can be swept up by evil forces.
Speaker 4: No, your dad was the bad man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also, what about this thaggared guy makes you
Speaker 1: think he's good when before he even watched Flashpoint he
Speaker 1: was discharged from the military because he could not take
Speaker 1: orders from somebody from a different race. He was a
Speaker 1: racist from the beginning, Like, I don't It's like, it's
Speaker 1: really kind of not vibing for me here that this guy's.
Speaker 2: Like no because he can't admit that his dad was bad.
Speaker 2: You know, it's always like oh, makes me say blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. It's like, why don't I don't know he
Speaker 2: liked the lynching. I think that's bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's like we didn't even bring in a,
Speaker 1: we didn't even bring in a huong for this faggared guy.
Speaker 1: We don't even have like a diagnosis to blame anything on.
Speaker 1: We're just saying full brainwashing from a Fox News type show.
Speaker 4: So he's like, basically.
Speaker 1: Carver's point is these kids would be alive if Garrison
Speaker 1: hadn't driven Thaggard to kill And it's a fucking reach,
Speaker 1: is what I wrote in my notes. So now we
Speaker 1: got Garrison on the stand and Carver's questioning him and like,
Speaker 1: like smarminess and scumbaggery is just like emanating off of
Speaker 1: this guy, like he's a perfect like casting and he's
Speaker 1: playing it so perfect, like he's so shitty and grossed.
Speaker 4: A second, you see him on the stand and they're like,
Speaker 4: so in the.
Speaker 2: Past, I think he's a good guy and legally blonde
Speaker 2: two though he has like a gay dog.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and in like my cousin Vinnie, I think
Speaker 1: he's just like one of the cops in the town and.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, he's not always bad, but.
Speaker 1: He's good the face, yea yeah, and he they Carver's like, well,
Speaker 1: how many episodes have you done on immigration and undocumented
Speaker 1: immigrants in the past year? And he's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's fifty seven. You've done fifty seven
Speaker 1: episodes about that in a year, Like, there's only fifty
Speaker 1: two weeks in a year. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: often this guy's on, like on television, but that's a
Speaker 1: lot of fucking episodes. And then they're like and how
Speaker 1: many times have you used xyz slurs? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I lose track, Like he thinks this was all hilarious,
Speaker 1: and he's like and then the courtroom is wild. People
Speaker 1: are getting up, they're yelling shit, like one guy's like,
Speaker 1: real Americans love Gordon and another guy's like, no, real
Speaker 1: Americans think he's a fascist pig, and that guy's got merch,
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know what's going on. The courtroom
Speaker 1: is nuts, and Lois Preston does not care for that shit.
Speaker 4: She's like quiet in my courtroom.
Speaker 1: So now Garrison is like obviously cowering behind the Amendment
Speaker 1: as usual, and they're like, well, you can't say anything.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't yell fire in a building if
Speaker 1: it's burning, and he's like, well you can if the
Speaker 1: building's burning.
Speaker 4: And make no mistake, this country is a blaze.
Speaker 1: Like he's even like doing his Fox News performative shit
Speaker 1: on the stand, right, and he says, I never told
Speaker 1: anyone to kill anyone. And Carver points out one of
Speaker 1: his quotes, which is someone should send these people back
Speaker 1: to where they came from on a boat, or on
Speaker 1: the back of a truck, or even in a pine box.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I didn't mean murder, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you didn't mean murder. You said send them back in
Speaker 1: a coffin. What are you talking about? Joe Thaggert took
Speaker 1: you at your word. So now it's Cabot's turn and
Speaker 1: she's like, have you ever met Joe Thaggard?
Speaker 2: That's the thing too, These dudes that are willing to
Speaker 2: risk it all for these Fox News punda or whatever
Speaker 2: they're brainwashed by. These people, wouldn't even sit at a
Speaker 2: table with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they wouldn't piss on you if you were fire
Speaker 1: disgusted by Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now Cabot goes, she asks Garrison, have you ever
Speaker 1: met Thaggard before? And he's like nope. He goes mail
Speaker 1: from him? Have you ever messaged with him anything?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, They've had zero contact, And they're like, so,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this brainwashing charge, and he goes,
Speaker 1: it's hogwash, folks. I'm just a social thermometer taking the
Speaker 1: temperature of the people. And Cabot goes rectly and I
Speaker 1: think it's funny. Judge Lois Preston finds the joke a
Speaker 1: little distasteful. She's not a fan, okay. And then Garrison
Speaker 1: quotes Voltaire, which is my dad's favorite fucking quote that
Speaker 1: he used to quote all the time, and which is
Speaker 1: one that free speech warriors love to invoke, which is
Speaker 1: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend
Speaker 1: to the death your right to say it. And uh,
Speaker 1: Cabot is like, well, that's not Voltaire, and I love that.
Speaker 1: I looked it up. It's not Voltaire. It's like it's
Speaker 1: from it's a female author who wrote that, and it's
Speaker 1: from a book that's called like Friends of Voltaire or
Speaker 1: something like that. But she kind of is like, so
Speaker 1: you're kind of full of shit, like you don't even
Speaker 1: know who you're quoting right now, and you kind of
Speaker 1: bend the truth that you're will like you want. She
Speaker 1: goes in for the kill. She's like, you know, your
Speaker 1: views make me on a barf. I don't see some
Speaker 1: god to his followers. I see an impotent man peddling
Speaker 1: in hate to line his pockets. Garrison looks at her.
Speaker 1: See I can't say impotent. They don't, they can't know.
Speaker 1: How dare you talk about my little wiener. Garrison looks
Speaker 1: at her. He's seething. This guy goes, watch your tone, sweetheart,
Speaker 1: and Cabot goes, or what you'll do?
Speaker 4: What to me?
Speaker 1: You are a powerless buffoon, an entertaining clown. Half the
Speaker 1: people who watch you just watch to laugh at you.
Speaker 1: No one takes you seriously. And I'm like living. I
Speaker 1: like love.
Speaker 4: I want.
Speaker 1: I love hearing her like say all this to this
Speaker 1: fucking guy. And he can't really do anything because he's
Speaker 1: in court, but he doesn't fucking care. He stands up
Speaker 1: on the stand, points a finger at Cabot like it's
Speaker 1: a fucking Salem witch hunt, and goes, you're gonna.
Speaker 4: Let her talk to me that way?
Speaker 1: And immediately some fucking in cel loser follower of his
Speaker 1: stands up and yells, go to hell, bitch, and like
Speaker 1: Cabot turns around and you can see that she's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, because the courtroom just like erupts, like
Speaker 1: the liberal start defending her. Everyone in the courtroom starts
Speaker 1: fighting with each other. There's little like one on one
Speaker 1: fights going on where people are pushing each other and fighting.
Speaker 1: Lois Preston has to have the jury removed. It's like
Speaker 1: pure chaos. And Carver starts yelling like look at this,
Speaker 1: like of course they're brainwashed. One word from this guy
Speaker 1: and they're throwing punches. And Garrison sits there like some
Speaker 1: mug as a bug. He's got like a Donald Trump
Speaker 1: fucking smug grin on his face.
Speaker 4: But it sucks, and she knows she fucked up. She proved,
Speaker 4: she proved. Yeah, she went a little bit. She I
Speaker 4: don't think she.
Speaker 1: Thought that he would actually like sick his dogs on her,
Speaker 1: and then proved the whole point, you know, And Carver
Speaker 1: is like, Garrison is responsible for all of this.
Speaker 4: So this is fucked, And the next scene.
Speaker 1: The jury is back, all three counts of murder in
Speaker 1: the second degree not guilty. First of all, I don't
Speaker 1: know why this guy. If you're so easily brainwashed, then
Speaker 1: you need to be in a facility, like you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be on the street then, like you.
Speaker 4: Are a danger to others.
Speaker 1: If if a Fox News host tells you to do something,
Speaker 1: you do it like you're a danger to others. But
Speaker 1: I guess they hear his weepy sorry and they think
Speaker 1: he's okay. But also, how the fuck was this not
Speaker 1: first degree murder? I know, we've got all of our
Speaker 1: law lawyer people that like watch the show but listen
Speaker 1: to us. But the guy had photos of the kids
Speaker 1: on the playground, like this was super premeditated, Like how
Speaker 1: could it be second degree? I don't understand, Like you
Speaker 1: take pictures, you stalk children, you find out where they are,
Speaker 1: you follow them and kill them and leave them in
Speaker 1: a thing. Like that's first degree murder to me, I
Speaker 1: don't understand, but someone can let me know.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But Thaggard when he hears the verdict, he's all smiles.
Speaker 1: He leans over and whispers something to Carver, and you
Speaker 1: can see their shock on Carver's face, and then Thaggar
Speaker 1: just walks off. Okay, Like I just can't believe that
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be, like you have some kind of probation,
Speaker 1: like some kind of person has to check in on
Speaker 1: you to make sure you're not murdering.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just don't. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: But now Cabin and Finn are chatting at the office
Speaker 1: by the light of a very dim lamp as usual
Speaker 1: about how this all happened. Cabot's like, it's my fault.
Speaker 1: I underestimated Carver. I made Thaggard look like a hard
Speaker 1: knock life loser with his tear filled apology and Juri's
Speaker 1: love that shit. So also Garrison looked like a psycho
Speaker 1: with his freaky fans, like it all.
Speaker 4: Was kind of like a perfect storm to get this
Speaker 4: guy off.
Speaker 1: And now Finn is at the bar, Nicole walks in
Speaker 1: shows him a paper he finally made the front page,
Speaker 1: but it's a fucking child killing psychopath. It's a picture
Speaker 1: of Thaggard on the front with the headline Gordon got
Speaker 1: me off. And she tries to buy Fin a drink,
Speaker 1: but he's like, I'm not going to be much fun
Speaker 1: and like I just wrote damn.
Speaker 4: The way he just.
Speaker 1: Keeps running away from this gorgeous woman who wants to
Speaker 1: fuck him is wild, like it's so nuts. Then he
Speaker 1: gets a phone call and it's Carver. He picks up
Speaker 1: and he's like, what do you want? And then he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll meet you in a minute. So Nichole's
Speaker 1: like call me after I'll wait up. I mean, she
Speaker 1: wants this dick so bad. She's like, I will do
Speaker 1: anything to see all this deal. Oh wait up, bitch,
Speaker 1: go to bed. I have showed up at your office.
Speaker 1: I am showing up at the bar, I am everywhere
Speaker 1: trying to get you in bed. She's like, just call me, like,
Speaker 1: I don't even care what time you get home. Call
Speaker 1: me and I'm ready. And anyway, Finn shows up at
Speaker 1: Carver's office and Carver's like, do you want to know
Speaker 1: what Thaggard whispered to me after the verdict? And Finn's like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: lay it on me, and he whispered, thanks, Now I
Speaker 1: can go kill more of those kids, And Finn's like, whoa,
Speaker 1: we got to stop him. But then Carver like moves
Speaker 1: out of the way and behind him he can now
Speaker 1: see that Thaggard is lying on the floor dead in
Speaker 1: a pool of blood, and Carver hands Finn this the
Speaker 1: murder weapon, this like little pistol gun and that's dick
Speaker 1: wolf baby.
Speaker 4: So in the end we can get Carver off. Yeah,
Speaker 4: It's like.
Speaker 1: Hopefully, It's like he I mean, he could probably say
Speaker 1: I have traumatic I had a traumatic life being raised
Speaker 1: by a racist and it triggered me. And now like
Speaker 1: I felt I had to stop him. I bet a
Speaker 1: jury would let him off. But all right, take me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, take me through the crimes. But
Speaker 1: I don't want you to, but I do. It's not
Speaker 1: dead kids, so I guess, yeah's good. Yeah, dead adults.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well, first of well, I'll go into the
Speaker 2: anchor baby of it all. Like Kara said, it's fucked
Speaker 2: up derogatory and insinuates that these children are just ponds
Speaker 2: used by their immigrant parents to get a foothold in
Speaker 2: the US, you know, and it misrepresents the harsh realities
Speaker 2: of actual life for immigrant people and like people that
Speaker 2: are dealing with immigration law. And it's much more complicated
Speaker 2: than like let me land here and give birth. So
Speaker 2: like it's also it just like I don't know, it
Speaker 2: means these parents that they're using their children and they
Speaker 2: didn't want to be just parents. But also a child
Speaker 2: is to be twenty one years old before they can
Speaker 2: sponsor their parents for a green card, and then they
Speaker 2: have to be financially able to support their parents as well,
Speaker 2: and that's just for five years and then they can
Speaker 2: try to apply for naturalization. So it is a twenty
Speaker 2: six year endeavor. It's not a tactic. It's just the
Speaker 2: fucked up talking point. It's a myth. It's not real.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you like didn't love your kid and
Speaker 1: you just had them for like a reason to stay
Speaker 1: in quote unquote the greatest country in the world, which
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking sick of people saying, like if people like,
Speaker 1: if you had a kid just for that, you better
Speaker 1: be super nice to them for twenty one years so
Speaker 1: that they sponsor your damn green card because they don't
Speaker 1: have to if they don't want.
Speaker 2: Because I'm thinking about the actress from Orange Is the
Speaker 2: New Black whose parents got deported like years ago, but
Speaker 2: like she was born here, so it's like it's not
Speaker 2: just this thing of like, oh, my baby's a baby
Speaker 2: and a citizen and now so am I like yeestly.
Speaker 4: That's not it.
Speaker 2: I also didn't know that it takes as long, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's like a twenty six year journey at Diana Guerrero, Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you. And Republicans are always trying to get rid
Speaker 2: of birthright citizenship also, so like right now, that is
Speaker 2: what our president is talking about it's the fourteenth Amendment.
Speaker 4: Like, if you're born here, you're citizen.
Speaker 2: They're trying to take that away too, like as we speak,
Speaker 2: and they always have and so they yeah, whatever, so then.
Speaker 4: Who get hot?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just don't I don't understand how
Speaker 1: you could hear that and not think that's fascist like
Speaker 1: that somebody gets to decide who are citizens and who
Speaker 1: are not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this the term also didn't crop up until
Speaker 2: the early two thousands. Yeah, and that's very like nine.
Speaker 1: I read this term on this show like when I
Speaker 1: was I remember being like, what's that like when I
Speaker 1: watched this in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 4: So, but it's rude as fuck.
Speaker 2: And I say something else on social media that it's
Speaker 2: like the reason these fucked up people don't get like
Speaker 2: immigrants or people like risking it all to come here
Speaker 2: is because they're such shitty parents. They can never imagine
Speaker 2: risking their lives and they're like comfort their future all
Speaker 2: of that just for their children. Like I think a
Speaker 2: lot of parents suck and that's why they don't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't get traversing through like the fucking Amazon to
Speaker 2: get for their kids, you know.
Speaker 4: And like learning language, like a career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like people that were doctors, scientists, engineers, where they
Speaker 2: came from having to do like service work or like
Speaker 2: different work here where they're so disrespect just so their
Speaker 2: kid could then go to school. Like these motherfucking hillbillies
Speaker 2: can't even fathom. They don't even read to their kids.
Speaker 2: These people don't read to their kids. Of course they
Speaker 2: don't get immigrants, of course they don't. You don't even
Speaker 2: show up to parent teacher conferences like and you're gonna
Speaker 2: tell other parents what they can do, all right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So this is two cases. The Laramie price case, so
Speaker 2: a year and a half after New York City, like
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven obviously, Okay, So so it's the
Speaker 2: year and a half after nine elevee and obviously, like
Speaker 2: the city went through a lot.
Speaker 4: I was not here for it.
Speaker 2: But this So it's two thousand and three and there's
Speaker 2: a series of shooting deaths and they're all targeted at shopkeepers.
Speaker 2: Shortly before seven am on February eighth, two thousand and three,
Speaker 2: a man named John Freddie, who's forty three years old,
Speaker 2: was shot while drinking coffee in an Ozone park Queen's
Speaker 2: Mini Market. Surveillance showed two men enter the store, one
Speaker 2: started to shoot and then they both ran out. And
Speaker 2: then that same day, two hours later, Suckedjit goes by
Speaker 2: Sammy kind of like my dad Sam and Sam So.
Speaker 2: Sammy Kajala was fifty and he was found fatally shot
Speaker 2: behind the counter of his bodega in Brooklyn, and then
Speaker 2: he also shot at another worker but missed, okay, And
Speaker 2: these were seen as isolated incidents, so it was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, like one they're not close to each other.
Speaker 2: It's just different bodegas. It's shooting crimes, like nothing really
Speaker 2: happened March. In terms of an investigation, March tenth, two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, that's when a connection between the murders
Speaker 2: was kind of put together because there was a thirty
Speaker 2: two year old man named Albert Cotlier was found murdered
Speaker 2: in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, in a laundromat where he worked.
Speaker 2: He was shot once at the counter and that was that.
Speaker 2: And so then the connection was this forty caliber handgun
Speaker 2: was used in all three of these, so there was
Speaker 2: a shellcasing found and so they connected it to these
Speaker 2: other two, but they still didn't understand the connection of
Speaker 2: these places and these like why these men were getting murdered.
Speaker 2: It also was not robbery you're thinking Bodego laundr or whatever.
Speaker 2: No money was taken at all, Like money would be
Speaker 2: gone if it was like quoted, which was funny, like
Speaker 2: Lieutenant John Cornicello former NYC Brooklyn North homicide and his quotes,
Speaker 2: just like if it was a robbery, the money would
Speaker 2: be gone. It's like, thanks, lieutenant, thanks amazing. So this
Speaker 2: but the this storre had like a like a camera
Speaker 2: and it captured a loan gunman coming in and shooting
Speaker 2: Cotler after using the shop's bathroom. And then they were
Speaker 2: able to find fingerprints on a coffee cup outside as well,
Speaker 2: and then the casing from the gun triggered Cornicello this
Speaker 2: detective's memory, lieutenant's memory of two other similar homicides that
Speaker 2: had happened like a month earlier. Both those were on
Speaker 2: the same day.
Speaker 4: If you remember. So.
Speaker 2: Then investigators again where they were like, well is this
Speaker 2: racial this? You know? Alberts Russian and he lived with
Speaker 2: his parents and sister Freddy's from Guyana and he worked
Speaker 2: as a dairy manager at a market near where he
Speaker 2: was killed. And he was a married man with a
Speaker 2: six year old son. And then we have Sammy. He's
Speaker 2: from India, So this is married dude from India. And
Speaker 2: so the ballistics came back the same gun has been
Speaker 2: used all shot in the head as well, and so
Speaker 2: then idea of a cereal caused a lot of fear
Speaker 2: through the city and inspector veto Spano.
Speaker 4: Sorry, it's just like it sounds like a sandwich. So
Speaker 4: that name's related to Jesse Spano.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the Jimmy John Sandwich, all of our
Speaker 2: own beautiful things. But he was cold case squad, but
Speaker 2: they put him on ahead of this. So it's a
Speaker 2: twenty member task force and it's to catch this forty
Speaker 2: caliber killer as the case was known. And again like
Speaker 2: they just really were not able to find a motive.
Speaker 2: And then so finally they were getting footage from any
Speaker 2: cameras they could, like gas stations anywhere, and they found
Speaker 2: a man that was dressed like the person like the shooter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so they're watching footage of him. He's climbing over
Speaker 2: this iron fence to get into the property. So that's
Speaker 2: like a huge clue, like the outfit climbing into the
Speaker 2: property so that was good. We they also noticed that
Speaker 2: the suspects had a limp and he wore a Boston
Speaker 2: like a Boston sports hat, okay, and.
Speaker 1: They're saying anything, and he kept his sicker.
Speaker 2: So then a sketch artist came in and created a
Speaker 2: rendering from the footage and released it to the public
Speaker 2: with like a twenty thousand dollars reward for any information.
Speaker 2: But then on March twentieth, there was another shooting out
Speaker 2: of Brooklyn bodega.
Speaker 4: Two victims. Both these people were from Yemen.
Speaker 2: Mohammed Abdo Nasser a Lee was fifty four dead on
Speaker 2: the scene and Jakob Aldalim was twenty and he was
Speaker 2: shot hiding behind the counter and was rushed to the
Speaker 2: hospital and survived. So thank god. And I'm sorry if
Speaker 2: I'm mispronouncing the names. I do respect these people. But anyway, so,
Speaker 2: but there was a witness, so that's what's great. So
Speaker 2: then the witness said that the shooter was black in
Speaker 2: his late twenties. And again no money was taken from
Speaker 2: this scene either, but a new gun was used, and
Speaker 2: so you know, all of a sudden, everywhere it's the
Speaker 2: forty caliber killer and so then it's like, uh oh,
Speaker 2: so he switched it up to a nine milimeter handgun,
Speaker 2: but they felt like it was the same guy. They
Speaker 2: asked for the media for help because they were not
Speaker 2: able to solve the crime, and then a tipster called
Speaker 2: and claimed, like, I know for sure who this is.
Speaker 2: So it was at the seventy seventh Precinct and Crown
Speaker 2: Heights in Brooklyn. NYP detectives interviewed this tipster and it
Speaker 2: was this man, a thirty one year old named Larmie Price,
Speaker 2: and he goes, you know, this sketch reminds me of
Speaker 2: one of my neighbors. But as soon as he left,
Speaker 2: they're like, no, that's actually the dude, Like that's the guy.
Speaker 2: Later like this seems too shady. We don't think it's
Speaker 2: a neighbor. He's talking about himself. And so when he
Speaker 2: came there, they called him. They're like, we need you
Speaker 2: to come back for a second interview. And when he
Speaker 2: came back, they're like, oh, he's limping, like this is
Speaker 2: our guy, and then he just confessed. He goes, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm the guy you're looking for, Like what's up with
Speaker 2: you guys? And this is according to corna Cello, and
Speaker 2: so they grilled him, and he knew all the details
Speaker 2: that weren't released as well. Coffee cup the fence. He
Speaker 2: explained the gun switch like he just knew it. He goes, oh,
Speaker 2: I sold the gun because I didn't have any more bullets,
Speaker 2: and then I have this gun. He was arrested, charged
Speaker 2: with four counts of murder, intwo of attempted murder and
Speaker 2: when they asked him what drove him to do this,
Speaker 2: according to Oxygen, he said he was upset over nine
Speaker 2: to eleven and he somehow thought he would avenge this
Speaker 2: by shooting people of Arabic and Muslim descent. His mother
Speaker 2: said to The New York Post, Lol, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 2: the Post that he started acting strange after the terrorist attacks,
Speaker 2: and she remembers him saying, I'm going to join the war.
Speaker 4: And he actually did have mental health issues.
Speaker 2: He was put into Woodhall and King's County hospitals, but
Speaker 2: according to his mom, they just kept letting him go
Speaker 2: so God, and he was released the day before killing
Speaker 2: his third victim. So like, in between the shootings and stuff,
Speaker 2: he was put into mental health facility. They just released
Speaker 2: him and then the next day he killed somebody's and
Speaker 2: he just kept talking about how the vibes told him
Speaker 2: to do it. It was all the vibes. He also
Speaker 2: had a record of arrests for robbery, burglary, and a
Speaker 2: bunch of other crimes, and then he told investigators he
Speaker 2: was taking PCP. He then flipped on the second guy
Speaker 2: that was with him for one of the shootings that
Speaker 2: ran out with him. He did not have a gun
Speaker 2: this other guy. So the DA actually decided not to
Speaker 2: press charges on this other man because he was more
Speaker 2: valuable as a witness. So they used him for a witness,
Speaker 2: and Price agreed to a plea deal for serial killing
Speaker 2: to avoid the death penalty, and he was sentenced to
Speaker 2: life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 4: Jesus. And so that's that case.
Speaker 2: And then the next case is Ronald Ebens and Michael Knitz.
Speaker 2: They're the perpetrators. Fuck that, we're going to celebrate Vincent Chin.
Speaker 2: It's really upsetting. And okay, so Vincent Chin, So yeah,
Speaker 2: this is really upsetting. So Vincent Chin was a Chinese
Speaker 2: American man and he was living in Michigan. He was
Speaker 2: a draftsman and an engineering company and he's just like
Speaker 2: seemed cool as hell to be honest, you had like
Speaker 2: a really cool hairdoo, you had friends like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just it's it's devastating. So a little history about
Speaker 2: like cars and stuff, so like the Detroit car manufacturing
Speaker 2: thing plays a part in the murder and the racism
Speaker 2: of Asian people in this area and time. Basically Detroit
Speaker 2: was a major car maker. I'm sure all of you
Speaker 2: know that, but they wanted to avoid paying US standard salaries,
Speaker 2: so they moved factories overseas and by nineteen eighty Japan
Speaker 2: had taken over as the leader in the automotive industry. So,
Speaker 2: like always, they decided to blame the immigrants, and they
Speaker 2: started blaming Asian Americans for the decline in jobs. So
Speaker 2: Vincent was celebrating his bachelor party. He was out with
Speaker 2: two friends, this guy named Robert Seroski and Gary Kovu,
Speaker 2: and they went out, they were drinking, they were having
Speaker 2: a good time. They ended up picking up one of
Speaker 2: their other friends, Jimmy Troy, and they ended up in
Speaker 2: the same strip club as the two white men Ronald
Speaker 2: and Michael Okay.
Speaker 4: And this is June nineteenth, nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2: It was Ronald Eban and his step son is Michael
Speaker 2: Nitz and he was recently laid off by Chrysler. So witnesses,
Speaker 2: according to the Asian American Pacific Islander Resource Center, they
Speaker 2: heard that Ebans confronted Vincent, saying it's because of you
Speaker 2: little motherfuckers that were out of work, and they got
Speaker 2: like heated, and Vincent did punch Ebans in the face
Speaker 2: and they I mean they used slurs. They definitely used
Speaker 2: slurs against him and he punched them. So but before this,
Speaker 2: all the witnesses say they like tipped heavily, like that
Speaker 2: they were amazing tippers, that it was celebration vibes, laughing,
Speaker 2: like everyone was having a good time. But then like, yes,
Speaker 2: so these two white dudes are like saying slurs talking
Speaker 2: about cars, and I'm sure these guys were so stupid
Speaker 2: they thought this man was Japanese and he's not, and
Speaker 2: not that it would matter, but like fuck you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So whatever fights happened at strip clubs, there's you know.
Speaker 2: So they get kicked out of the club and the
Speaker 2: fighting continued in the parking lot. But then Ebans went
Speaker 2: to go get a baseball bat from this car, and
Speaker 2: when Vincent his friends saw that, they all like scattered
Speaker 2: like they started running away, like they didn't want to
Speaker 2: get beat by a fucking bat. And so Ebans and
Speaker 2: Knits spent twenty minutes searching for Vincent and then found
Speaker 2: Choi instead and threw a bottle at him. Just found
Speaker 2: a different Asian person, so who cares. So they couldn't
Speaker 2: find him, so they paid a third man that they
Speaker 2: just saw, Jimmy Perry, to help him find quote a
Speaker 2: Chinese guy. They didn't say Chinese guy, they used a
Speaker 2: different serogatory term. And this is according to the FBI
Speaker 2: interview notes. And so then the arman like were running
Speaker 2: and basically they like stopped it in nearby McDonald's because
Speaker 2: they thought like they could seek protection in the crowd
Speaker 2: and the other two friends would eventually find them at
Speaker 2: this McDonald's. You got to imagine, it's the eighties. There's
Speaker 2: no phones or anything like that. So finally they they
Speaker 2: were able to find him and in the supermarket parking
Speaker 2: lot next to the McDonald's, Knits held him down while
Speaker 2: Evans beat him with the baseball bat.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Vincent was declared brain dead at henry Ford Hospital and
Speaker 2: died on June twenty third, nineteen eighty two. And his
Speaker 2: last words before he lost consciousness were it's not fair.
Speaker 2: Those are his last words. And that's according to the
Speaker 2: aapi RC. He suffered two lacerations on the back left
Speaker 2: side of his head, abrasions on his shoulder, chest and
Speaker 2: neck and lap and like laps lungs.
Speaker 4: And then he went to severe coma.
Speaker 2: So Jesus And at the time, Michigan crime stats didn't
Speaker 2: even include Asian ethnicity options, so Vincent was listed as white.
Speaker 2: This is eighty two and the crime was considered local news.
Speaker 2: But then the verdict is what angered the Asian community
Speaker 2: and allies nationwide. This probably could have just stayed like
Speaker 2: a local case. But Ebans and Knits were originally charged
Speaker 2: with second degree murder, though a plea bargain brought the
Speaker 2: charge down to manslaughter. Each were just given three years
Speaker 2: of probation with no jail time and find three grand
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Why don't you think that people that beat people with
Speaker 1: a baseball about are a day to society?
Speaker 2: It gets even worse care, Okay, So then and it's
Speaker 2: got no contests and basically they basically it's they didn't
Speaker 2: intend to kill him, so that's why it was chiller.
Speaker 4: But the judge. This is what's crazy.
Speaker 2: So Charles Kaufman, remember him, I hope you're fucking alive
Speaker 2: and you never see piece you piece of shit, is
Speaker 2: quoted saying these weren't the kind of men you send
Speaker 2: to jail. You don't make the punishment fit the crime.
Speaker 2: You make the punishment fit the criminal.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, not crazy, just saying it out loud
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 2: Damn, it's kind. It's like no, even reality's even top chef.
Speaker 2: It's like, nope, case by case basis, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what you've done in the past, like you fucking murdered
Speaker 2: a young man with a bat, like you.
Speaker 4: Can't cut, like, and what about them?
Speaker 1: Besides the fact that they were like I'm sorry, what's
Speaker 1: what's what's a shordinay about this person? Did he go
Speaker 1: to ivy league college? Does he work with h work
Speaker 1: with underprivileged youth?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: What? What about him is so extraordinary that he gets
Speaker 4: away with murder?
Speaker 2: The Detroit News printed a large cartoon that showed the
Speaker 2: shit judge putting a baseball bat in one ear as
Speaker 2: if it were a pencil, and sharpening it with a
Speaker 2: pencil sharpener installed in the opposite ear. What was even
Speaker 2: more fucked was the prosecutor missed the sentencing hearing. There
Speaker 2: was no prosecutor there because I guess back in these days,
Speaker 2: sensing hearings weren't considered like important crucial to the case,
Speaker 2: and so no one was representing the state's case. The
Speaker 2: judge did not hear from any of Vincent's friends family.
Speaker 2: His mother, Lily Chen wasn't even told about the hearing.
Speaker 2: So the judge only heard from these two hillbilly killers
Speaker 2: and their lawyer, and that was it. No witnesses, no
Speaker 2: one that was there that night, no one, and so okay,
Speaker 2: But all of this outrage ended up being a catalyst
Speaker 2: for the American Citizens of Justice, this organization to be formed,
Speaker 2: and they petitioned the US Department of Justice to investigate
Speaker 2: Vincent's case as a violation of his civil rights. So
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice opened in an investigation, which served
Speaker 2: as the first time Asian Americans were protected as like
Speaker 2: you know, like as a hate crime situation and viewed
Speaker 2: as a protected class. So then it was acceptable to
Speaker 2: like that it like because of their Asian ness is
Speaker 2: what impeded on his civil rights because it with double jeopardy,
Speaker 2: they can't like go back for that case, like I'm
Speaker 2: you know, this gets kind of complicated. But the federal
Speaker 2: grand jury indicted Ebans and Knits on two counts of
Speaker 2: interfering with Vincent Chin's right to be in a place
Speaker 2: of public accommodation and conspiring to do so. The two
Speaker 2: of them kept claiming that race had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with it, but the jury in Detroit did disagree, like
Speaker 2: the grand jury, and so in June nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 2: Ebans was found guilty of interfering which in civil rights,
Speaker 2: but not guilty of conspiracy, and Knits was found not
Speaker 2: guilty on both charges. So in nineteen eighty four, the
Speaker 2: US District Court sentenced Ebans to twenty five years in prison,
Speaker 2: but he was released two years later because of him
Speaker 2: like an improper prosecution, witness coaching like so whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: appeals court, appeals court. It became successful because of the
Speaker 2: errors that the government made during the first trial. So
Speaker 2: then they tried to do a new trial and retry him,
Speaker 2: and the trial was moved to Cincinnati, and Cincinnati the
Speaker 2: jury was you know, like just like Eban's white male,
Speaker 2: blue collar and cleared Ebans of all charges in a
Speaker 2: civil suit though he was ordered to pay one point
Speaker 2: five million dollars to the chin estate and with interest
Speaker 2: in all these years, it's up to like eight million dollars,
Speaker 2: but he will not pay it. He can't afford it,
Speaker 2: quote unquote. He lives paycheck to paycheck and like just refuses.
Speaker 2: And he was basically begging for the lean on his
Speaker 2: home in Nevada to be removed. But you still owe money,
Speaker 2: so you can't. So basically like what the lien means,
Speaker 2: he cannot rent or sell this home that he lives in.
Speaker 2: But he purposely moved to Nevada because of their like
Speaker 2: a homestead act and he thought it would like help
Speaker 2: him not have to pay this and also then tried
Speaker 2: to set a motion to ask for the family to
Speaker 2: pay for his attorney's fees psycho, but his house wasn't
Speaker 2: worth enough to get this whatever act this is.
Speaker 4: He was too poor for it. So he still owes money.
Speaker 4: He has to stay there.
Speaker 2: He cannot sell it or rent it or anything, and
Speaker 2: they're supposed to get money, but he goes whatever. The
Speaker 2: family is just harassing me and doing it to annoy
Speaker 2: me and ask and like you moved on purpose to
Speaker 2: avoid paying for a life.
Speaker 4: You took no justice at all, like.
Speaker 1: No accountability, Like no, yeah, it's so is the victim.
Speaker 2: And the judge thought this was just a great guy,
Speaker 2: a great guy who just shouldn't go to jail. You
Speaker 2: don't base it on the crime, just the person, these
Speaker 2: cool guys. So journalists and activists. Helen Zia, who is
Speaker 2: an executor of the Chinn estate, told NBC News that
Speaker 2: the request is upsetting. It is beyond outrageous that this
Speaker 2: un remorseful killer is suing for attorney's fees that would
Speaker 2: allow him to continue evading payment for beating Vincent Chin
Speaker 2: to death twenty three years ago.
Speaker 4: So the case did.
Speaker 2: Expose like this fucked up thing that happened with the judge.
Speaker 2: And basically, now for manslaughter cases in Michigan, there's a
Speaker 2: mandatory minimum sentence guideline and the state Supreme Court adopted
Speaker 2: this and put it into state legislator legislature.
Speaker 4: So basically the.
Speaker 2: Guidelines say a judge could issue a sentence below the minimum,
Speaker 2: but they have to give reason why, like specific reason.
Speaker 2: So this judge was just able to be like, never mind,
Speaker 2: these guys are good, go on probation, and now you
Speaker 2: for a manslaughter, you have to give the minimum or
Speaker 2: the judge has to prove and explain why they're not
Speaker 2: giving the minimum, which I can't believe.
Speaker 4: This has to be a rule.
Speaker 2: This case also helped ensure that victims and future cases
Speaker 2: would be represented during sentencing and court proceedings. Lily Chin,
Speaker 2: the mom did die in two thousand and two tho
Speaker 2: never he never paid any financial debt to her that
Speaker 2: she was owed. And then if you want to know
Speaker 2: more about him, there's a PBS show Who Killed Vincent Chin?
Speaker 2: Also into twenty twenty four, the FBI posted an over
Speaker 2: six hundred page report on this crime that you can
Speaker 2: look into. And Ebans is still alive. So if we
Speaker 2: want to do a that's messed up field trip and
Speaker 2: throw eggs at his house either its something.
Speaker 1: Like satisfying though about the fact that like even if
Speaker 1: this guy wins the lottery or something or he gets
Speaker 1: like a great job, like he'll never be able to
Speaker 1: like really like he has to give money, like they'll
Speaker 1: they'll garnish his wages. I'm sure you know, like you
Speaker 1: kid never but the fact that like even in it's
Speaker 1: such a miscarri forties fifties, like truly putting Japanese people
Speaker 1: in internment camps in our country, and then by the
Speaker 1: eighties it's still like Asian people were not a protected
Speaker 1: class against taate crimes. Like, I don't understand how you
Speaker 1: how that works. You imprisoned a whole population because of
Speaker 1: their race, and yet they're not protected under for the race.
Speaker 4: Yeah what Yeah?
Speaker 1: But also yeah, it's like this guy being fucking angry
Speaker 1: at Japan and then just killing a random fucking Chinese
Speaker 1: person is out of control.
Speaker 4: And it sucks. He was a cool dude. It was
Speaker 4: like a bachelor party.
Speaker 2: He was probably about, you know, about to get married,
Speaker 2: like living a good life.
Speaker 4: And I, you know, you know who was a good
Speaker 4: member of society.
Speaker 2: This guy, Vincent Instin could have done more for this
Speaker 2: world than this Ebans and his dumb ass son could
Speaker 2: ever And I just I I'm going to track his
Speaker 2: death and fucking spit on his grave.
Speaker 4: I hope he can't afford a gravestone.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, no guests, so let's just go right
Speaker 1: in to our post mortem.
Speaker 4: This episode is sad. I feel sad.
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, no guests to cleanse the palette after
Speaker 1: you're just telling us about a very nice man that
Speaker 1: was murdered because of what he looks like and where
Speaker 1: he's from. But fuck, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the post mortem is for this episode. Besides don't
Speaker 1: be racist, Yeah, don't be racist.
Speaker 2: And if I really biases, go check them out, like
Speaker 2: figure them out, figure them out.
Speaker 4: Figure that shit out.
Speaker 1: Why does somebody being quote unquote undocument Why does somebody
Speaker 1: be undocumented or not in this country the way you
Speaker 1: think they should be. How does that affect you? I
Speaker 1: need to know, I really need to know why people
Speaker 1: think this.
Speaker 4: But I know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's just people are being fed incorrect statistics
Speaker 1: about not paying taxes, not or sucking welfare.
Speaker 4: Out of our country, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But they but then he's going to get the big
Speaker 1: beautiful bill signed this week, which is going to cut
Speaker 1: a lot of welfare for actual people that need it.
Speaker 2: So but also they also constantly are voting against rich
Speaker 2: people paying more taxes, like they want the poorest of
Speaker 2: the poor UNDOCU whatever, like whatever idea of a single
Speaker 2: mother they have in their head, like how dare you
Speaker 2: not pay taxes? But then the but then it's like,
Speaker 2: let's just tax the one percent so we can get
Speaker 2: free buses. And it's like we will murder you, like, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I don't understand. It's so pathetic. It's pathetic.
Speaker 1: And everybody is saying all of this shit about the
Speaker 1: the the how the last election was decided about the
Speaker 1: price of eggs. It's like, do you think that when
Speaker 1: we are like deporting people who have done nothing wrong
Speaker 1: on masks, who are farm workers some of them, how
Speaker 1: is that gonna?
Speaker 4: How's that going to go for the eggs?
Speaker 1: You know, if that's your most important fucking issue, this
Speaker 1: whole thing is look over there. So while they're like
Speaker 1: robbing the lower the lower and middle class like blind,
Speaker 1: like truly, like they're just like this these new bills,
Speaker 1: like we're all fucked. But listen, let's get into our
Speaker 1: what would Sister Peg do for the week. This is
Speaker 1: our weekly segment where we point you to an organization
Speaker 1: or a book or a documentary something to give you
Speaker 1: more info about what we talked about. And we wanted
Speaker 1: to appoint you this week to the organization Stop AAPI
Speaker 1: Hate in honor of you know, Vincent Chin, this victim
Speaker 1: from you know, thirty years ago. And I would like
Speaker 1: to think things are better, but honey, you know it's
Speaker 1: forty forty forty years ago. Excuse me, pardon me sorry,
Speaker 1: eighty two forty years ago, forty plus this uh. Stop
Speaker 1: AAPI Hate is a US based coalition dedicated to fighting
Speaker 1: racism and discrimination against Asian American and Pacific islanders. Their
Speaker 1: core strategies include data and research, policy and advocacy, community care,
Speaker 1: and strategic communications. They publish data and research quote to
Speaker 1: paint a vivid and nuanced picture of racism and other
Speaker 1: forms of bigotry as it is experienced by our communities.
Speaker 4: So for more info on that, head.
Speaker 1: Over to Stop aapihete dot org and that will be
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Speaker 4: So thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2: And next week we will be doing the episode in
Speaker 2: Foghorn Leghorn accents, so stay tuned for that. Betrayals Climax
Speaker 2: Season fifteen, Episode thirteen.
Speaker 4: Buckle up, bitches, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be another wild one by wild and upsetting and graphic.
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