WEBVTT - Parents Only Vacay, Can Jussie Bounce Back + Abducted in Plain Sight & Fyre Fest Docs 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.160 You know what I wanted to be in on. I 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.920 wanted to be in on the conversation that Lee Daniels 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:08.000 had with Oprah about it, because you know, he called her, 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.959 of course, and it was like, girl, can you even 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:17.919 right now? I'm honey German. My parents are Dominican. I 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.000 was born and raised in New York City. I love 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:24.680 sneakers and I'm a body positive advocate. I'm Carolina Bermudez, NKA. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.560 But I was born and raised in Ohio. I'm a wife, 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:33.159 a mama, and a worker being. This is life is English, 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.080 you know what I mean? Like where you would have 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.960 to like zionuses are not real sickness, Carolina absolutely not 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.600 welcome to life in spankuish. I'm honey German and I'm 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.400 Carolina Bermudez. And listen today we're here by ourselves and 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.839 we're running the show. We have no supervision, so this 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.720 is gonna be good. You know, we need to be supervised. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.760 Andrews on vacation, we you're not going on vacation for yet. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.360 I'm going in April. I'm gonna go to Pontacana. And 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.360 now when you go to Pontakana, do you see family? No, 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.600 My family's far away. Okay, so you're going to more 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.760 of like the resort site. It's April, I mean it's 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.920 Ashley's thirtieth birthday. Ashley Vera, Oh my god, so like 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:12.800 to any of us are going away for her birthden, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.200 Oh my god, that's amazing, so amazing. She's so special, 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:17.680 she's so sweet and so great to all of us 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.240 that you hear us the least we can do, and 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.720 you hear us talk about Ashley. She is like your 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.080 makeup artist, but she's also a very dear friend of yours. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.600 She's so talented. You know, she wants to be part 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.000 of the intro. She says. When I say I'm honey German, 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:30.760 my parents are Dominican, she wants me to say, and 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.000 my best friend is black. She's so cute. And you 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.560 guys just did a makeup tutorial too with her. We 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.479 did a makeup class over the weekend. It was really fun. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:40.800 It was really fun. You know, she did like an 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.720 intro to makeup because a lot of the stuff is 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.319 more to like show people how to feel better about themselves. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.360 It's not even like, Okay, you're going to go make 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:48.920 money off of this, is just like this is how 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.600 you highlight. This is how you do bronze and properly 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.160 exactly you want to do a wing liner, this is 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:55.480 how you do it, you know. So it's for like 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.800 your regular girl that just wants to like up the prettiest. Right. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.200 So we had a good time, but you're going to 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:06.120 vacation too, right, I'm going tomorrow on vacation. Oh so 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.440 we're going to this kid's resort in uh In, Dominican Republic. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.720 And I'm seriously, I don't know who's more excited, my 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.120 husband or the boys. I'm excited to you want me 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.760 to get slided. I just you know what it is. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.600 I'm I'm I'm very My expectations are very low for 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.399 what because it's not a vacation. It's gonna be craziness. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.520 There's gonna be a million other kids. There's gonna be 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.440 my kids. So the kids are gonna wake up super hype, 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.320 like pumped. My son already gets up at five thirty 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.120 in the morning. He's gonna be like, let's do this, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.400 let's go. I'll be getting the best beach chairs, by 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.240 the way, So if anybody wants to like float me 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.440 at twenty I will get your beach chairs early in 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.040 the morning. Since you had your kids, have you been 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.240 able to do like a loan vacation like your husband, Yeah, 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:54.639 we do. We went to Barcelona by ourselves or my 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.160 mom my mom my mom my mother is a big 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.440 proponent of that. You know. My co host copy was 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.600 just in here and we were just all chatting and stuff, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.760 and we were talking about travel and like one of 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.799 the things that I've said to my husband ever since 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.000 we got together. We traveled a lot while we were 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.520 still like dating, and then also after we got married, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.040 we said we didn't want to get married and have 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.400 kids like right away, so we traveled a lot. We 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.880 went to Costa Rica, we went to Bali, like you know, 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.440 we love Yeah. Yeah, so it's like and we travel 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.880 well together. But then once my babies came, my mom 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.720 actually said, when the baby is six months and after 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.320 you're dumb breastfeeding, you need to go on a vacation 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.040 with your husband. And yeah, and it's a great way 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.240 to reconnect. Six months and you've been attached to the 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.040 baby the whole six months. How was it going away? 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.920 Did you feel terrible? I felt horrible. I had a 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.520 panic attack, and I mean, like not funny like you 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:44.640 know how some people are like, oh my god, I 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.400 had a panic attack. No, like I legit had a 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.240 full blown panic attack, like hands shaking, hyperventilating, because I 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.160 was just like my baby, you feel like you should 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.000 be there first time. Mom. It's like so scary for you, 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.160 right yeah, And it's like you know, you know that 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.560 you have a responsibility and it's a great responsibility, but 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.240 you also know that you have this like beautiful union 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.680 that you need to like maintain an upkeep. But then 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.200 it's like, you know, it's really being torn into it 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.800 really is. I hear a lot of the times, like, uh, 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.760 marriages suffer when a child enters the equation because all 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.360 the attention goes to the child. Now, was your husband 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.479 in any way jealous like when the baby came, or 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.960 did he feel like, wow, I'm no longer number one 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.120 in your life? Never thank goodness, because I do have 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.280 friends who have suffered from that, you know, like their 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.799 husbands feel like they're being neglected and then they start 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.440 acting out. And now you have a newborn and you 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.240 have a husband who's dissatisfied or you know, uh, upset 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:39.760 with you, and you just don't know how to make 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.680 everything right, and you have work calling you asking when 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.760 are you coming back, and so there's just like a 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.800 lot of things to juggle. The good thing is that 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.720 Mark is not a jealous person, and he always understood. Yeah, 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:52.599 he always understood that, like, you know, this was my 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.880 responsibility and that like I needed to be there for 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.680 the kids. But um, Mark's just not jealous at all, 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.839 which kind of bothers me. Like, you know, I wish 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.320 you we're a little bit jealous, Like if you see 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.160 somebody like iron up your girl, like that doesn't bother you. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.520 And he's like, no, you're mind, like you're you're my wife, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.400 Like why you know? Do you feel like if he was, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.320 let you know, it would be totally different because Latino 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.280 meant are real crazy when it comes to that. I 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.840 want to fight everybody. They want to confront everybody, and 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.880 I want to be there be like that's my man thought, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.839 but you gotta come up with that damn bail money. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.839 I've always been like a stop, I'll tell yourself, relax, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.800 it's not that serious. I think, like when I was younger, 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.960 that was like such a sign that a person is 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:36.039 totally into you, They're willing to fight for you. Yes, yes, honey. Yeah, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.320 and then now it's like, as I've gotten older, I've 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.240 recognized it, like, that's probably not the best way to 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.960 be in a relationship. Very embarrassing. Also it does. Yeah, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.720 so no, he's he's never been like that, but yeah, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.799 you have to figure out a way to make it happen. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.440 We just went to Bora, Bora. You're going on this 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.320 amazing trip. The one thing that we've been talking about 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.040 a lot on our show is like experiences, not things. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.200 And it's so difficult because I think the people think, oh, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.080 I only have one day off of work, what can 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.920 I get done? You can hop over to St. Thomas, 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.520 the Bahamas. I mean, obviously you have to save up 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.880 for it, or you find like a cheap deal or 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.200 you know, but there are ways that you can kind 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.240 of work the system. We just had this long weekend. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.720 We just had President's Day. You could have Friday was 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.880 like an easy day. Most people didn't work. You could 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.320 have just went for four days somewhere. Yes, and even 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.000 within the United States, there's a lot of beautiful places. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.000 I'm dying to go to Arizona. I've never been there, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.520 but I always say these amazing pictures from Arizona. Honey, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.479 I want to go there. I graduated from Arizona State University. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.360 I am a sun devil. In my three years of partying, 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.800 I never found time to go to the Grand freaking Camp. 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.039 It is one of my biggest regrets. But that's like 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.839 New york Is who don't go to Statue of Liberty. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.000 Oh that's so true. Okay, good, you made me feel better. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.920 But I was hopping on that America West thirty five 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:55.080 dollar flight to Vegas every other weekend. Thirty five dollars 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.479 it used to cost for America West. But yeah, there's 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.920 a beautiful place. I believe it's in Utah. If I'm wrong, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.760 please forgive me. But it's called Moab. It's where it's 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.599 got like the colored rocks you see. I've seen it 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.160 on the graund Yes, Instagram is amazing. You know I'm 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.480 going to Abisa is because of Instagram? No no, no, no, okay, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.600 I have to help you. No, no place, no no no. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.880 You can't say Abisa. You say Ebitha. Oh I have 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.240 to say this, but you have to go into Espana 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.960 and what I'm in Espania. I'm gonna go to Abisa. Yes, 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.120 and you know the origin of it right. You know 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.280 how Spaniards they don't say Ibiza or they don't say 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.360 Barcelona Barcelona because they like drag their tongue very like 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.040 sneaky like. Yes, And the reason being that the king 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.880 had a lisp, and in order to make him not 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.120 feel like an asshole, all of the other people started 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.800 speaking with a list. Now it all makes sense, and 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.960 that's where the origin, that's where it comes from. And 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.640 that's where a lot of people don't recognize or they 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.680 don't realize that that's the reason why they do that. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.440 Why I always thought they were trying to be like 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.800 kind of like extra sexy mysteriously they do that. That's 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:05.120 just in the blood, yes, but it's beautiful like And 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.760 actually when we were there, there was this place called 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.480 you know you, and I would say it like Nacion, right, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.000 and every time we would talk to someone they would 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.880 be like, oh nay. And so finally at the end 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.440 I said to my husband, I was like, oh, let's 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.160 go to na and he's like, you just did it. 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.800 You just did it, He's like, But I was like, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.760 oh my gosh, I want to be like the people. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.040 So you're gonna have the best experience you might not 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.240 come back. What you think I'm a move you might 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.160 not come back? I did say to my husband. I 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.000 was like, you know, I could see myself posting up 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.679 here for a summer with the kids, like not coming 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.760 back for three months, because it's just so beautiful. There's 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.720 so much culture, like history. Would you ever think about 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.040 retiring to another country that's not in the United States. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.200 I've thought about it. Yeah, you know for a while, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.800 I said, Nicarawa, just because like your money could go 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.400 a really long way. I would love to do things like, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.760 you know, an outreach or help young women. Um, and 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.800 I think there's still a lot of work to be 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.600 done in places like you know, Nikaawa where we're from. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.640 But um, I don't think I could get my husband 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.640 to do it. I don't. I think he's just like, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.040 you know, New Orleans is as far south as I can. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:12.600 Probably he won't even go to Miami with me, Like 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.640 that's just his style. But would you, like you think 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.200 you would ever? Definitely, wherever I end up as an 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.960 older person has to have a warm climate. You know, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.679 a lot of a lot of loud noise. I'm a 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.199 very loud person. I love loud music. I talk loud. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.760 I can't really be contained. Like when I'm in very 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.440 quiet environment, it kind of like throws me off. So 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.240 it's the it's the whole like Dominican, Latina Caribbean thing 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.320 in me. So I can definitely either see myself in 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.480 Miami or back in the island. I can go back 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.319 to the Dominican Republic. You listen a pension from New York. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:46.679 That's what I'm saying. Yes, being bad, ain't bad. Up 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.320 a car over there, some furniture, and you buy your 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.960 apartments like cash, so it's not even like you got mortgages. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.400 It's like right, there's no upkeep after that. It's like 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.240 I own it. I'll be a surfer girl at like 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.240 sixty five years old. What's the song with Ariana Grande? 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.640 I want it? I got it like at the beginning 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.760 of seven. Yes, yeah, that's exactly. So we were talking 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.120 before about, um, you wanted to talk to me about 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.640 the big story that's in the news right now. Yeah, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.320 you know this Jesse Smallllette story. I just can't follow it. Girl. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.120 I'm I'm being completely in totally honest with you. It's 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.920 about to go in front of a grand jury, and 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.800 is this happening. They're saying sometime this week, it most 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.480 likely will happen and he will be indicted if he 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.760 he filed a fake police report. Well, I think that's 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.480 like the key thing here, you know, because by the 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.679 time people listen to this, that grand jury will probably 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.520 have happened, or you know, there's gonna be new details 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.040 or new stories in the news. I think the problematic 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.600 thing with this whole story is whether or not it 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.559 was a fake police report, whether or not he orchestrated 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.240 an attack because he didn't feel like enough was done 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.920 for the threatening letter that he got, so he wanted 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.840 to kind of like up the anti which is just 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.640 one theory. By the dragged to Carolina, this is absolutely 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.920 too much. And I think the problem here is that 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:10.480 America as a whole was disrupted and came to his defense. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.760 We're talking the black community, We're talking the gay community. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.720 He also brought into play the Trump supporters and the 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.079 white community that those were the attackers. So it became 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.720 like a racial thing, it became a homophobic thing, it 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.760 became a lot of different things that you know, just 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.439 doesn't sit right by me, because when these type of 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.520 attacks happen, we want to make sure they're real. They're true, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:39.480 We're gonna unfortunately, we're gonna bolt. Let it be real. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.360 It's very sad because I've met Jesse before several times 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.079 and he is absolutely amazing. He's a kind spirit, he 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.839 has an amazing soul and me personally, but does he 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.040 you know what I'm saying, I don't know why he 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:55.760 did this allegedly why Jesse. They're saying it's for attention 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.079 that his character was going to be written office. So 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.199 that's why I'm saying. There's so many theories and so 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.920 many stories. And like you mentioned, there's the black the 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.120 black side, the white side, there's the entertainment side. There 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.600 are people from the entertainment industry that came through for him, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.000 you know, and they've started the leading their post and 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.640 they've started like Nancy Pelosi, she had the lead a tweet. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.160 She had posted a very nice, you know post, and 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.760 she was like, delete, I'm not standing by this anymore. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.360 Well you do. I don't think you can, like, as 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.920 a law abiding, honest citizen, I don't think you can. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.520 You know. Um. The thing for me that I just 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:32.000 can't wrap my mind around is this is extremely like 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.280 it's almost like diabolical. How do you come up with 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.800 In my mind, I can't think of how to come 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.079 up with a story like that. I can only think 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.920 this is an act of desperation, nothing else. But do 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.400 do you understand like where I'm coming from with that though? 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.360 Because I like said, how does somebody sit back and 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.720 be like, you know what I'm gonna do this? Maybe 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.040 you do, maybe in the privacy of your own home 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.480 you have these like crazy thoughts, but then a follow 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.439 through with it. I think a lot. I think a 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.079 lot of these pople are isolated from the outside world 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.679 and have the small group of people that tell them 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.000 everything is good to go, And maybe the Nigerian Brothers 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.319 are like, yeah, let's do it. We got you. I 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.480 don't know, but I'll tell you one thing. I don't 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.439 know if you agree. I personally feel like just the 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.360 Owes the country an apology and an explanation if he 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.439 if he is found guilty and if he lied and 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.719 he went on you know with Robin Robert It's on 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.679 Good Morning America and fabricated this whole entire on the 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.679 Gate Tupac story. Right, he needs to tell us from 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.120 beginning to end the truth. Yeah, I think that's the 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.199 big problem for me too, is that, like, if you 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.880 did something like this, you have to own it. And 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.000 it's not even saying that you're going to be forgiven 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.880 even though a lot of people are forgiven in the 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.120 entertainment industry, Hollywood loves to see a rise from the 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.880 ashes kind of story. Yeah, the comeback story is always 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.319 so great, but you duped a lot of people. You 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.320 touched a nerve, and you touched a nerve. That isn't 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.160 right because you know what, there are so many people 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.439 who have gone who have had these hateful acts committed 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.920 against them and that the police don't even investigate, and 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.439 that we're being honest. And that's the problem that I have, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.440 Like what about the you know, twenty year old gay 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.400 kid in you know, California making this up? But you 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.440 know those people who have told their stories and nobody 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.480 ever believed them. That's what bothers me more than anything. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.520 And you use this platform for wrong. He could have 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.440 used it for great and exactly, he's already so divided 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.760 that a story like this just further divides us. And 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.720 then it also takes away our credibility from when we 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.720 feel you know, wrong, discriminated, because Jessie Smillett lied. He 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.600 said they had Maga hats and they said this was 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.680 Maga country. You're probably lying to Now everybody's suspect that's 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.320 like a precedents like like, I don't know, yeah, no, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:48.840 I agree with I just want to I just want 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.880 to hear the whole full story. I don't know if 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.400 we will ever be given that. I don't know if 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.080 he will have the I mean, I say, if you 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:57.840 have the balls to tell that story, then have the 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.840 balls to tell the truth, you know what I mean? 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.640 That would make a wonderful MafA TV movie, well, lifetime 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:08.480 ring ring Hello called jesse Smillett story. Yeah, but I 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.000 feel like it's not only are we owed the truth, 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.200 but I think it's the it's the right thing to do. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.320 But you can't force someone to do the right thing. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.160 You can't. And in my I was thinking about it 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.520 because people were saying, how oh he was. He was 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.760 feeling really threatened because he was going to be written 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.200 off of Empire and this, and maybe you can find 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.320 another job. You are talented, you are good looking, you 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.920 are young, you can find another gig. Like you're gonna 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.080 go through all of this. People love Jesse, I tell 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.960 you as an insider, we love him, We're rooting for him, 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.080 we support everything he did. Never I've never met. He's 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:51.320 very handsome, he's very proactive in in in the gay community. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.360 Given there's there was nothing about Jesse that was wrong. Okay, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.120 So here's my question too. So when he sat down 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.280 with Robin Roberts and he said that he and he 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.560 told the detectives everything that happened because that was his truth. 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.360 And he was so offended that people were questioning his truth. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.360 And you know, um, I've been in a situation before 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.120 where something happened and it was like not related to me, 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.560 but they were going around the community asking, like when 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.000 I used to live in Florida, if you saw anything 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.160 or you know, and you you're telling the truth. So 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.320 you meet with police and you tell them everything that 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.400 you know, what if somebody else now is afraid to 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.400 go to the police because of somebody like Jesse that's 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.480 that had all of this stuff happen. Now other people 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.360 are going to be reluctant to go and tell their 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.520 stories because then, well, you know what what if they 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.080 started investigating me for other things? Or what if something 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.600 else comes up from when I did something ten years 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.720 ago or as a juvenile, you know what I'm saying. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.680 I mean, I don't know if my thought process was 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.440 like all there, But what if it triggers like a 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.880 deep dive into your life. Yeah, you'd rather just stay 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:51.640 of it. Just then people are like, yeah, I'm just 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.360 not gonna say anything. It could be a thing too. Yeah. 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.520 It trickle in so many different ways, you know. But 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.920 telling the truth is always like redemption. I don't know, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:02.760 as much as it hurts, I'm the type of person 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.760 that I'm like, just tell me the truth, like I will, 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.320 like tears will come down my face begging a person 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.639 for the truth, because once you tell me the truth, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.359 you're allowing me to decide whether I want to still 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.520 funk with you or if I just want to move 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:22.320 on with my life. This this stems to like relationships, friendships, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.280 work relationships. It's like, you tell me the truth and 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.960 then let me decide. I hate when people decide for 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.760 me and keep information from me. I don't know if 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.520 you're kind of like the same way. Do you demand 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.239 the truth or you'd rather just be like I'd rather 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.440 not know. No, I'm a liar, I tell you, just 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.080 tell me the truth, you won't be in trouble. And 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.359 then after I'm like, you fucked up. I'm kidding no, 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.520 But like I I agree with you. I need to 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:46.639 know the truth because then that way I can base 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.399 my decision. And the good thing about me is that 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.159 there are times where I will say, like, you know what, 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.119 I'm never going to talk to that person again, and 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.040 then my heart gets the better of me, and yeah, 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.080 you know, I just think that nothing is absolute in life. Know, 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:01.960 nothing is you know. I mean, you can make a 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.000 mistake now, and I think it pertains to this story too. 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:06.960 It's like you can make a mistake now and and 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.240 you can really repent for it, and you can really 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.200 say you're sorry, and you can show people that you're 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.280 sorry for it. And then and then I would be 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.920 I would be willing to forgive. I'm that type of person, 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.600 Like it is easier for me to do that once 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.359 I know you've told me the truth. But you got 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.120 to let it all out. Yeah, if you don't tell 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:23.480 me the truth, or if I don't feel like you're 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.400 being genuine, I can't move forward. It's just like, y'll 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:27.960 call me back when you're gonna tell me the truth. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.960 And you know it. You feel it when somebody's lying, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.120 You feel it. But I'm kind of like the same 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.880 way too. I've been able to repair relationships and even 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.879 get back with like relationships like Okay, this is the 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.360 truth and just lets some time pass. I think Jesse 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.159 will be okay if you some time go by, and 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.479 if he comes back and tells us the truth. Who 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.879 what group do you think will be more willing to 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.040