WEBVTT - The Worst Hacking Scenes from Hollywood 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.640 Get in text with technology with tex Stuff from stuff 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:16.239 dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tex Stuff. I'm 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:21.200 your host, Jonathan Strickland and joining me today over several 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:27.920 nodes so I can't actually track her real whereabouts. Shannon Morse, Hi, 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.560 how are you doing? I'm great, but you're just you're 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.159 so crazy with the hacks. You're so so good at 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.800 typing random strings on your keyboard and and always one 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.360 step ahead of me. Well, you know, if you've ever 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.400 visited hacker typer dot net, I believe it is you 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.040 will know exactly how to hack excellent. I'm glad that. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.720 I'm glad now because I've been wondering for years. Guys. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:53.640 We've had Shannon on the show a few times, and 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.160 today it's a real treat, really because we're gonna talk 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:02.520 about some examples of hacking in pop culture and some 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:08.040 of the ones that are incredibly awful, just terrible inaccurate 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.560 ways of showing how hacking works, as well as talk 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.040 about something to get it more right than not right, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.200 which is kind of awesome. And I mean the start off, 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:22.199 we have to admit the real world of hacking, while 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:26.920 the results can be quite dramatic and have a huge effect. 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:33.560 The process itself is not always cinematic. Nope, it is not. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.319 It's actually pretty boring. There's just a bunch of text 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.080 on the screen and that's about it, right, Yeah, I 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.800 mean it's it's it's coding, right, yeah, exactly. There's a 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.720 lot of coding involved, a lot of Python and BASS 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.440 scripts and things of that nature, and a lot of 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.680 terminal work. So you don't see very much gooey or 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.560 graphical user interface usage whenever you're running some kind of 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.560 hack implementation. A lot of times it's just terminal, right, 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.320 And you know, I understand the need to stretch the 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:09.280 truth when you're trying to create a really thrilling movie 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.000 or TV show and you want to have something interesting 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.840 to look at, having your characters look at lines of 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:20.040 code and going through a process of trying to uh 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.320 to to create some sort of exploit for a vulnerability 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.280 that doesn't really hold a lot of people like on 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.480 the edge of their seat. So I get it, but 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.400 it is kind of a problem. And I should also 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:37.160 mention we're using the word hacker today a lot. But 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.120 of course, as I try to mention every time I 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.040 talk about hacking, hacking is a very broad term, and 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:48.120 it doesn't necessarily mean that you are doing anything illegal, 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.080 and it certainly doesn't even mean that you're necessarily working 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.600 on a computer. You could be doing some hardware hacks 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:58.360 that aren't related to software. Uh, that's important to remember. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.480 But but as far as Hollywood has can certain there's 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.920 really only one kind of hacking, and that involves trying 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.120 to break into a place that you're not supposed to 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:11.400 be in. Of course, because those are the most interesting people, 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.280 they're the scary ones, and people are afraid of what 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:18.360 they don't understand, right, And I imagine that a lot 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:23.119 of screenwriters are particularly scared of hackers because it's one 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.359 it's clear that they have no understanding whatsoever about it. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.520 And two, I mean we've seen, especially recently, we've seen 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:36.800 some very big stories about uh, the entertainment industry running 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.480 running away from hackers attacking. And whether it's a hacker 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.160 who's actually gaining access to a system, or it was 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.520 someone who was on the inside who just managed to 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.360 exploit their access in the first place, which I would 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.760 argue really isn't a hack, it's just kind of industrial 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.160 sabotage at that point. But the Sony story would be 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.400 the big example, right. Yeah, the Sony story, I think 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.880 put a lot of fear in the entertainment industry. And 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.520 I feel like the entertainment industry as a whole, with 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:10.240 very few exceptions, are one of the genres that is 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.040 the farthest behind when it comes to their own security 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.359 and privacy. Uh, They're they're the farthest behind when it 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.320 comes to a lot of things, including how they treat 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.840 their women. But I think that it's something that they 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.000 really need to start focusing on and start understanding, not 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.000 only for their own security, like with for their employees, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.200 for the actors and actresses that work there for these 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.200 different companies, but also because they need to understand how 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:39.120 to actually portray it so that more people understand it 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.520 as a whole and aren't so afraid. Right, And so 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.360 we're going to dive into a discussion of some of 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:53.440 the more entertaining and often wildly inaccurate versions of hacking 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.360 in film and TV. I should also give a shout out. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.960 A lot of people on my Twitter feed suggested that 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.200 I check out a subreddit. The subreddit is it's a 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:08.160 Unix system, which is a reference to Jurassic Park. Uh, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.040 if you remember the young lady runs up to a computer, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.120 she takes one look at it. She says, it's a 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.440 unique system. I know this, And then she's immediately looking 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:22.039 at a graphic user interface and identifying one block out 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.039 of like fifty blocks that are on the screen and 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.479 immediately makes the conclusion that all the files for the 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.480 entire island are accessible from that one terminal. I don't 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.000 know how she knows that. Um, that's amazing. It's amazing 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.120 that you can you you automatically know that everything available 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.839 on the island is on that one drive. Somehow, I 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.760 feel like the only way you would know that it 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.400 is if you were the information security professional that is 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:52.400 working for that company. Was not, you know, she she didn't, 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.000 just something like she was a little too young to 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:58.040 be in a full time employee at that point. So 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:03.719 Jurassic Park, while it lends the the the quote it's 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.000 a unique system to the sub credit, I didn't really 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:11.000 included on this list. There is one other incredibly famous 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.960 example that I've talked about on a previous episode Tech Stuff, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.200 that we will hit. But first I'm gonna talk about 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.279 a movie. I haven't actually seen this movie, but I 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.359 have seen the sequences that involve hacking. That movie is 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.880 the Core And in the first sequence I wanted to 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.239 talk about, there's a character whose handle is RAT, which 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.440 could be you know, like remote access trojan or remote 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.080 access terminal, depending upon what acronym you want to look at. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:42.200 Often one that is associated with hacking, and RAT is 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.480 caught by the FBI. The sequence in which he's caught, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:50.000 he's trying desperately to erase all traces of his activities. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.760 He's got tons and tons of computers, and he's using 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.880 massive magnets to try and wipe drives, and he's throwing 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.040 CD ROM disks into a microwave and turn to get 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.920 on high you know, the typical stuff we do when 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.880 the Feds come knocking. Uh. But but my favorite bit 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.920 about this little sequence is he then has taken to 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:16.960 an interrogation and as he's being interrogated, he just casually 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.000 reaches over and grabs a guy's cell phone out of 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.840 his little holster or his pocket or whatever. But the 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.720 guy's it's just a cell phone. What can he do 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.080 with that? Well, Shannon, you know what people can do 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:29.920 with so I mean, if you have physical access to 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.040 a cell phone, it's game over. But but but what 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.680 what this guy does. He doesn't do something to get 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.520 hold of the guy's contacts. He doesn't. And this is 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.240 also pre smartphone. It's really a cell phone. He doesn't 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.320 do anything like that. What he does is he takes 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:51.000 a little um, a little chewing gum rapper, He dials 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.200 a couple of numbers on the phone, and then he 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.440 uses the chewing gum rapper to make a weird little whistling, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.120 humming noise, and then casually this is the phone, tosses 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.800 it back to the guy and says that phone's got 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:12.760 free long distance on it forever. I love to real life, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:17.520 that's exactly how it works. Yeah, totally. So I'm pretty 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.880 sure that this is kind of a comparison to what 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.320 people would actually do, which was called phone freaking. And 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:29.520 this was like before hacking became a really big popular 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.520 norm that you would see in like online media that 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.600 you see in this day. So back in the day, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.640 this guy named Captain Crunch he got his online screen 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.400 name from opening up a Captain Crunch cereal box and 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.080 getting out a little I believe it was a kazoo 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.840 or something similar to that, and he was able to 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.280 recreate or reproduce the kind of tone that you could 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.400 put into a pay phone to allow you to make 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:59.320 free long distance calls. So they're using that real life 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.280 scenario to their advantage in this this movie the Core 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.600 and making it seem like you can do the same 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.559 thing with a gum wrapper. Now, personally, I don't believe 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.760 that you can do the same thing with a gum wrapper. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.360 That seems a little bit odd. I know that you 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.840 can make noises with things like that. You can also 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:16.640 do the same thing with a piece of grass if 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.679 you want to. Yeah, you can. You can entertain yourself 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.000 in like a third grade kind of way for hours 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.560 at a time. But yeah, phone freaking really worked on landlines. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:33.000 They worked when the phone system wasn't fully digital yet. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.720 It was a much different system. I mean there and 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.439 there's some very famous people who got their start as 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.560 phone freaks. I mean, Steve Wozniak was in that world. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.320 The great was was one of the freakers of back 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.960 in the seventies and uh, but it was it was 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.480 sort of the same thing that you would talk about 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:56.079 hackers today. They weren't necessarily trying to gain the system. 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.400 They were trying to figure out, how does this work, right, 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.120 They were just messing with things. They were trying to 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.120 reverse engineer them and figure out how they work and 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.559 put them back together and let them let these different 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.000 pieces of technology do things that they weren't necessarily supposed 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.560 to do. And that's what I love so much about hacking. 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.360 But then you bring it to Hollywood and they're like, oh, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.400 these are scary people. They're all going to end up 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.280 in the FBI's hands. And that's not necessarily true, right, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.559 And and to to take something that worked on landlines 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.280 on a pay phone basis using a whistle that had 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.360 I think he even modified it slightly so it would 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.720 make exactly the tone he needed to replicate the tones 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.960 that the phone company was using in order to allow 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.320 for this kind of thing to happen. Yeah, it would 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.160 never work on the cell phone range at all. So 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.560 and and also just just what a weird line like 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.200 this phone's got free long distance on it forever, and 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:53.120 you think there's gotta be multiple ways a phone company 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.679 would say, Hey, something weird is going on with this 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:03.040 one line. But but the Core, the Core also has 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.880 another great scene in it with that same hacker, same 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:10.080 guy rat Uh And when I see him I always think, uh, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.640 he's he's the he's a character who also or he's 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.720 an actor who also shows up as a character on 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:21.079 the show UM Supernatural as a weird, reedy looking uh 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.160 demon killer guy that you would just expect to get 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.360 completely obliterated the first time he shows up, but he 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.079 turns out to be more capable than you would consider 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:36.040 based upon his appearance. Anyway, he walks into a cyber cafe. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.520 He's got a CD rom Uh, I think it even 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.920 says Kung Fu on it, if I'm not mistaken, and 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:47.480 he puts it, puts it into a cyber cafe computer, 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.800 and after like leaning back and putting his hand up 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.880 to his face for about five seconds, it ends up 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:01.280 completely taking over not just his computer, but the entire 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.240 local network, and all of the screens in the cyber 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.800 cafe pop up with this image of his rat network 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.559 where he has taken over all the computers. I don't 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.560 even know exactly why he's trying to take over all 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.880 the computers, apart from just seeing lots and lots of uh, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.480 what appears to be news footage which spoiler alert, there's 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.360 a thing we can use to get that news footage. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.760 It's called a TV. You can use that without having 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.240 to hack any systems. But uh, it's it's just a 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.560 weird little moment where he's taken over all the computers 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.880 in the cyber cafe. Now, let's let's go ahead and 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.160 make some things clear, Shannon. I know that you've addressed 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:48.360 this on on multiple episodes and and other ways of 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:52.000 reaching out to your audience. There are certain things you 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.120 should be concerned about when you go and log into 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.800 any kind of local area network, UM, any kind of 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.079 open WiFi. If you're going to a coffee shop and 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.800 you're using that kind of WiFi, you need to be 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:12.600 more um aware of potential security problems. Yes, absolutely, it's 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.800 it's very easy if you're on your local coffee shops 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.960 network or your locals hotels network for anybody to snoop 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.360 on what you're doing. Uh, you may be using HTTPS, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.760 but that's not going to keep somebody for understanding what 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.120 sites you are visiting. But even though that data may 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.840 be encrypted, however, they're still collecting that encrypted information. And 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.400 it really just depends on how a website that you're 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.120 visiting is encrypting that information, whether or not they would 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.400 be able to decrypt it. After a specific amount of time. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.079 So I always tell people if they're going to use 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.480 a you know, hotel WiFi or a coffee shop WiFi, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.640 to use a VPN, use some way to tunnel your 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.480 traffic from point A to point B so that nobody 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.400 else on that network will be able to see what 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.640 you're doing. They may see that your dogged on, they 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.040 may see your IP address, but they won't know exactly 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.200 what's going on with your traffic while you're connected. So, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.520 and I'm pretty sure that everybody who generally uses these 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:17.600 WiFi networks that are available for free aren't necessarily using VPNs, 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.920 But it's it's a huge security risk for pretty much 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.440 every consumer out there that's using these WiFi networks, right 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.840 and whereas in the core, you know we were talking, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.920 it's it's really hardwired computers that are part of the 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.880 cyber cafe. You just sit down at a terminal and 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:34.880 log in so that you have access to everything on 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.400 that machine. That's scary too. I mean it's it's kind 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.920 of like using a computer at the library. You want 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.480 to be very careful about the kinds of activities you 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.520 do on that machine, um, because it's not really yours 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.160 and you don't really you know, and you don't want 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.280 to go so far to cover your tracks that you're 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.320 actually causing problems for the real purpose of that machine. Uh. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.480 It's still not quite sure what he was trying to do. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.080 It was like he was setting up his own a 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.320 botan net. Also, if you are sitting of a buttonet, 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.880 probably a bad idea to have a graphic pop up 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.560 on everyone's screen saying, hey, your computer's mind now. Yeah. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:14.280 So it's in today's age, it is very popular for 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:19.760 people to use ransomware, which will basically announce it's it's 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.240 availability on your computer. Yeah, it'll announce its presence on 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.480 your machine to let the user know, Hey, I've just 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.880 encrypted all the information, all the photos, all the documents 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.880 that is on your computer. Now you have to pay 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.680 me like one bitcoin to get your data back. And 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.440 then you pay that bitcoin and you may or may 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.120 not get your data back. So, you know, ransomware it's 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.200 a big thing. But in the case of this one, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.440 in the case of rat yes, you can install like 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.800 malware or something like that on a c D. That's 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.040 entirely possible. You can put pretty much anything on a CD. Uh, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.640 And then it looks like he's he's running this CD 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.440 through the entire network, which you can install malware through 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:04.920 pivot and a networks open ports or open eyedps so 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.119 that you can put the same hour on several different computers. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.960 But it's it's never a good idea to let everybody 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.800 know what the heck you're doing, if you're doing something 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:18.200 that you shouldn't necessarily be doing in the first place. Yeah, 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.480 I mean again, it's it's there for dramatic effect. But 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.240 if you're the one person in the cyber cafe who 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.800 isn't visibly freaking out when all the computers switch over, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.160 here's a here's a little hint, they're going to figure 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:35.560 out it was you, right, I mean that, that's kind 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.240 of like, if you're the one guy not surprised that 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.280 everything's on fire, you probably set the fire. I'm just saying. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.760 Our next example comes from one of my favorite movies 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.160 of all time. Oh my gosh, me too. I love 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:53.040 this movie. Yes, Oh, it's so great. It's so cheesy 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.200 and wonderful. The Net Also is a is a movie 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.400 in which a character actually has her identity stolen, and 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.520 very prescient for its time. It's not like it got 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.280 everything wrong. Some of the stuff and actually predicted quite well. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.000 For example, best prediction of any movie ever it predicted 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.960 being able to order pizza online. This was before the 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.360 dot com bubble even began. This The movie came out 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.200 in the mid nineties, so this was actually pretty advanced. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.240 They they the people behind the film, said, we wanted 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.920 to be able to let our character make an activity 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:35.240 online that would stress how she was uh distancing herself 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.760 from other people. She was trying her best to limit 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.080 the amount of interaction she had with other human beings. 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:45.879 It stresses her loneliness, also her paranoia, uh to some extent, 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.480 and and it was a neat way of doing it, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:53.080 and it also ended up being accurate. However, that being said, 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.480 there's a bit in the very beginning. It's right when 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.240 she's going to order pizza. When she's on the phone 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.000 with a client she does essentially text support and really 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.840 helps people who have been attacked by a virus recover 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.880 their systems. Uh. And it takes her like no time 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.320 at all to identify what the virus is on this 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.000 customer's computer, which which she does not have access to. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:21.280 She's she's she's accessing it remotely. She identifies the virus, 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.240 She sequesters the virus, she removes the virus, plus apparently 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.600 does repairs to the system, so it goes so it 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.399 starts working again, and that takes her less time than 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:36.400 it would take for her to order the pizza. That's incredible. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.640 I mean, she should Every security firm should hire her. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.280 She's a genius apparently. So so I like making the 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.800 comparison between Sandra Bullock's character in the Net to an 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.000 actual penetration tester that we have in the two thousands 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:55.440 or in the tens, in the twenty tens. Penetration testers 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.000 go through contracts. They go through a company. They're usually 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.680 hired on by a large firm to go through their 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.480 security and make sure everything's okay. They have to write reports, 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.800 everything has to go through a financial financialist before they're 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.959 actually paid for any of their work. They don't actually 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.800 discuss how much they're getting paid with the client. They 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.080 discuss how much they're getting paid with the company that 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.480 they are salaried through. So in the case of Sandra 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.080 Bullocks character here she's talking about you know, oh yeah, 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.200 he's like, yeah, I'm gonna you know, pay X amount 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:32.800 of money, and he's like, I don't care how much 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.320 it costs. It's worth it. And that's not necessarily something 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.719 that you would talk to the penetration tester about, because 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.000 when you do, they're going to make their they're going 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.920 to make their time with you as a client much 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.760 longer to make it seem like a much more important case. Yeah, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.920 so if you if you do, uh, you know, it's 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.080 kind of like what Scotty would say is that he'd 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.560 say he'd figure out how long it was going to 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.760 take him to do a task, and then he would 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.359 then he would give the captain a time that was 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.119 longer than what it would take him to do. In 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.240 that case, it wasn't so that he could get over time. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.240 It was so that he could impress the captain by 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.119 finishing early. Right. It was like, I told you it 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.800 was gonna take me three days, but I really put 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.760 my nose to the grindstone and got it done in 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.359 a day and a half and the captain's impressed, like, Wow, 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.320 you're amazing. In this case, it would be yeah, that's 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.840 probably gonna take me. You know, I don't know a 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.040 week's worth of work and you're done in you know, 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:31.320 five hours, then you're just billing the time, right, So, 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.640 so during this conversation that these too have, it sounds 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.200 like she's a like she's a red teamer, Like she's 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.520 a penetration tester that works for a big security firm, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.159 and she's she's talking to her client though. Uh, but 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.200 but her actions make me think that she's a freelancer. 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.800 So I'm not sure what's going on here. I think 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.600 that the that it was produced a little bit confusingly. Um, 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.600 but now that I understand how penetration testing works, even 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.640 though I am not one myself, I was quite confused 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.679 by this scene. Yeah, I I I think it was. 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.639 Out of all the errors that we're talking about today, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:11.520 it's one of the less egregious because, again, unless you 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.840 were to show like that time had obviously passed a 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.640 significant amount so that she had had time to really 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.080 identify what was happening and then respond to it. Uh, 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.560 it's not that big a deal compared to some of 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.280 the other versions that we've got in this episode. So 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.640 I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna give this one a pass. 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.440 It's not as bad as it could have been. It's 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.639 certainly not as bad as the next one. Oh my gosh, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.800 can you just talk about n C I S. Yeah, 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.800 let's talk about n C I S for a bit, because, uh, 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.040 you know n C I S. First of all, it 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:50.880 has one of the most infamous awful hacking scenes in Hollywood, 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.480 and so much so that that there are multiple versions 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.480 of the clip we're gonna talk about on YouTube, my 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:02.199 favorite titled to Idiots One Keyboard. But yeah, let's talk 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.880 about n C I S for a second here. So 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.159 we've got we've got a character in n C I 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.200 S who is sort of she's the the young hip 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:16.439 hacker character who uh is the one responding in this 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.639 particular scene to an attack that's coming in that attack 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.240 is being represented by lots and lots of pop ups 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:28.359 of just strings of characters meaninglessly appearing all over her 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:33.120 her computer monitor, and her response is that each one 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.879 of these is absolutely meaningful, and she knows exactly what's happening, 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:40.000 that the hacker is attacking their systems and trying to 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:46.280 get at very uh very secure data and is quickly 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:50.280 winnowing through all the different security and so she's just 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.399 furiously typing on her keyboard in response, and her co 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.040 worker who's standing next to her and asking her questions 0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:00.720 and giving her suggestions that don't necessarily mean very much, 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.640 ends up deciding to help her out by simultaneously typing 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.399 on the same keyboard. Chese typing on So you have 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.560 four hands typing on the same keyboard at the same time. 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:19.320 Dear Hollywood, that is not how keyboards work. A computer 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:23.359 can't tell which person is typing which thing. It would 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.760 just come out as a super garbled mess. Not to 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.600 mention the frustration, like have you ever had somebody come 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:33.000