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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show. Players complaining about getting out of
Speaker 1: a bad situation isn't new either. They want to get
Speaker 1: paid more, they want to go to a better situation,
Speaker 1: they want to go to a better coach, maybe all
Speaker 1: the above. But the former Jets safety Jamal Adams, you
Speaker 1: could probably mark him down for all three of those
Speaker 1: because he's been ripping the head coach Adam Gaze and
Speaker 1: the team all season offseason, and then he got what
Speaker 1: he wanted because the Jets shifting to Seattle for two
Speaker 1: first round picks. Now, we'll talk about the deal coming
Speaker 1: up in a moment, and it's never pretty, but criticizing
Speaker 1: your own team can be an effective way to maybe
Speaker 1: get out of that situation. In most other lines of work,
Speaker 1: you probably can't get away with that. But keep in mind,
Speaker 1: you choose your company, you don't get drafted. And Adams
Speaker 1: is a tremendous player, and there was great hope for
Speaker 1: him in New York, but he's not leading them to
Speaker 1: the Promised Land anytime soon. They're on a rebuild again.
Speaker 1: They got a fix years decades of mismanagement. As for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, Adams makes that defense potent once again. They're
Speaker 1: all in on that defense and that team this year.
Speaker 1: And if you're not a fan of either team, it's
Speaker 1: a win as well, because now we don't have to
Speaker 1: read about Jamal Adams ripping the Jets every couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: He wanted to go to his beloved Dallas Cowboys, but
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. And I started to look at the
Speaker 1: deal because I thought, wow, are the Jets going to
Speaker 1: get two first round picks for Jamal Adams, who plays safety,
Speaker 1: which is not a valued position. The Bears kicked off
Speaker 1: the trend by trading two first rounders for Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, and the Texans two first round picks for
Speaker 1: left tackle Laramie Tunsil and wide receiver Kenny Stills. The
Speaker 1: Rams sent two first round picks to the Jags for
Speaker 1: cornerback Jalen Ramsey, so that appeared to be the going
Speaker 1: rate except for left tackle, very important edge rusher, very
Speaker 1: important cornerback, very important Jamal Adams as a safety not
Speaker 1: as important. You know, Seattle doing it. I understand why
Speaker 1: they're doing it. And you start to look at this
Speaker 1: and you go, kay, what are these picks going to be?
Speaker 1: So Seattle is going to give up two first round
Speaker 1: picks that'll probably be somewhere between twenty and twenty five,
Speaker 1: maybe twenty and thirty. The Jets get the two first
Speaker 1: round picks, and they get Bradley McDougall, and he is
Speaker 1: a safety, so they get a safety, and he's obviously
Speaker 1: a lesser version. He's thirty years of age, and he's
Speaker 1: about the same size but not same players. So you
Speaker 1: get him, and then you start to wonder about the Jets. Hey,
Speaker 1: you got two first round picks. Well, it's one thing
Speaker 1: to have first round picks. It's another thing to do
Speaker 1: something positive with those first round picks. How about Kyle Wilson,
Speaker 1: Mohammed Wilkerson, Quentin Copela's, d Milner, Sheldon Richardson, Calvin Pryor,
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, Darren Lee, Jamal Adams, Sam Darnold. Out of
Speaker 1: all of those first round picks since from twenty ten
Speaker 1: to twenty eighteen, Sam Darnold's the only one still there.
Speaker 1: You can have first round picks. We used to talk
Speaker 1: about Cleveland Browns all the time. Man I got some
Speaker 1: first round picks, I said, well, who's making the picks?
Speaker 1: Because that's really really important here. And you saw what
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns would do with those draft picks. Same
Speaker 1: thing with the Jets. And you know, you start at
Speaker 1: the top, and you got a mess at the top
Speaker 1: with the Jets anyway, And what's going on with Woody Johnson?
Speaker 1: And when he comes back, is the commissioner going to
Speaker 1: let him take over this job after he comes back
Speaker 1: from being a goodwill ambassador for President Trump? Probably not.
Speaker 1: And his brother is in there, Chris Johnson. But it
Speaker 1: starts at the top when you think about great teams
Speaker 1: and ownership there. And I started to think about if
Speaker 1: Woody Johnson, who was a longtime owner of the Jet
Speaker 1: so he's the US Ambassador to the United Kingdom. In
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, ahead of an event for Black History Month,
Speaker 1: commonly marked at US embassies around the world, Woody Johnson
Speaker 1: appeared agitated and asked if the audience would be quote,
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of black people. According to one source,
Speaker 1: Three sources said Johnson questioned why the black community would
Speaker 1: want a separate month to celebrate Black History and argue
Speaker 1: that black fathers didn't remain with their families and that
Speaker 1: was the real challenge. So Woody Johnson leaves to be
Speaker 1: the ambassador and the Trump administration as brother Chris takes over.
Speaker 1: And maybe Chris can write the ship here. But if
Speaker 1: what he comes back, I can't imagine this commissioner going, hey,
Speaker 1: come on back, welcome, I've been waiting for you. The
Speaker 1: bigger issue goes is this for me. Okay, you don't
Speaker 1: have good ownership, stable ownership ownership in flux, you still
Speaker 1: pick Adam Gaze to be your head coach. That's a
Speaker 1: big problem here because you could have had Matt Rule,
Speaker 1: and I think Matt Rule is going to be a
Speaker 1: star coach in this league. Carolina ended up taking a
Speaker 1: Matt Rule. But for the Jets to trade Jamal Adams,
Speaker 1: you're also sending a message to a league that is
Speaker 1: seventy percent African American, who is running this team? You
Speaker 1: got this coach here, free agents, are you gonna want
Speaker 1: to go there? Like? The Jets are trying to rival
Speaker 1: the Knicks here and they're doing a pretty good job.
Speaker 1: And that's a bad thing. But you got a lot
Speaker 1: of similarities here. By the way, the Knicks are gonna
Speaker 1: hi it looks like Tom Thibodeaux, whose nickname is Tibbs,
Speaker 1: but it looks like they're going great winning percentage. It's
Speaker 1: just uninspiring, is what it is. Just uninspiring. Maybe it's safe,
Speaker 1: but I remember when you know they David Fizdale was
Speaker 1: going to be the Hey, this is the guy. Players
Speaker 1: want to play for David Fizdale. Well they may want to,
Speaker 1: but they didn't those who got drafted and those who
Speaker 1: were free agents. I mean, Kevin Durant said, I never
Speaker 1: considered the Knicks. I don't want to go there. Kyrie
Speaker 1: Irving didn't want to go there. And so they're gonna
Speaker 1: hire Tom Thibodeau. Only Greg Popovich and Eric Spolstra among
Speaker 1: active coaches have a higher winning percentage there. But back
Speaker 1: to the Jets, they have Sam Darnold and little else there.
Speaker 1: I mean, they got Levion Bell, but who cares about
Speaker 1: Levion Bell? And why would you want to go play
Speaker 1: for the Jets? And the Jets had finished last, last, last,
Speaker 1: and next to last, and they're headed towards last place again.
Speaker 1: This year. Yeah, McLevin, But you know, can you give
Speaker 1: the fact that they have a new GM chance like
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas former Eagle, Dan Patrick, Choe fan, you know,
Speaker 1: really highly regarded this first time you ever got to
Speaker 1: draft with this year, So maybe he could be different.
Speaker 1: Is that or is the ownership gonna well, no, as
Speaker 1: long as he's able to make these picks and you're
Speaker 1: confident that he's making the picks. Look at what happens
Speaker 1: in some of these organizations. Daniel Snyder said, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: taking Dwayne Haskins. So the owner is saying we're taking
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. Jimmy Haslim in Cleveland says we're taking Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 1: If you let a football guy be a football guy,
Speaker 1: then you have a chance to be successful. Yeah. If
Speaker 1: James Dolan gets involved in this, then it's going to
Speaker 1: be a mess for Tom Thibodeaux. Doesn't matter, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter who they put in there. It doesn't go well
Speaker 1: and probably won't go well in this situation either because
Speaker 1: who's going to want to play for the Jets. Who's
Speaker 1: gonna want to play for the Knicks. Like we talk
Speaker 1: about New York sports all the time, New York sports
Speaker 1: might be the most overrated city when it comes to
Speaker 1: sports here. You got the Jets are terrible, the Giants
Speaker 1: are mediocre at best. You got the Mets a mass
Speaker 1: The Yankees do have a great team and they get
Speaker 1: a lot of coverage there. But you got Mets ownership
Speaker 1: in flock state of flux. There, you got the Giants,
Speaker 1: who are you meddling middle of the road, and then
Speaker 1: you got the Jets as well, and then throwing the Knicks.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the Nets as well, but you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna be promising down the road. We do
Speaker 1: that as a pole the most dysfunctional New York team.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny the Mets still jumps to the
Speaker 1: top of mind. Is there's a lot going on there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Let's see who buys the team. That's if
Speaker 1: joins the Oh my god, then yeah, that would be awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for that. By the way, this program brought
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Speaker 1: First round picks over the last eight years the Seattle
Speaker 1: Seahawks twenty seven, twenty seven traded to pick thirty one, traded, traded, traded.
Speaker 1: All right, you're getting two late first round picks because
Speaker 1: this Seattle team will be Now I understand this. If
Speaker 1: I'm Seattle, I'm taking Jamal Adams for a couple of reasons,
Speaker 1: great against the run. I'm getting Jamal Adams for one
Speaker 1: big reason to stop the forty nine ers offense, Kittle
Speaker 1: and the running game. That's why I'm bringing in Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams because if you don't get past the nine Ers,
Speaker 1: you're not getting to the super Bowl. You got to
Speaker 1: get past them in your own division. But I'm bringing
Speaker 1: in all Adams, and I'm saying to Jamal Adams, and
Speaker 1: I know you have to pay them probably seventeen or
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars a year, and Seattle could afford that, No,
Speaker 1: they can. They got Russell Wilson already on the books.
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, I think is on the books here. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's your big ticket item. Your other big ticket
Speaker 1: item is going to be Jamal Adams. Okay, But you know,
Speaker 1: Seattle rolled the dice on this and they gave up
Speaker 1: two first round picks. But I think you have to
Speaker 1: look at the first round picks. They're going to be
Speaker 1: late in the first round. Yes, mclovin, but what about
Speaker 1: the cap going down and then trying to sign him
Speaker 1: and keep everybody. Isn't that like everyone's saying the CAP's
Speaker 1: gonna go down and yet I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: hearing about that. Yeah, I probably will, But that's why
Speaker 1: you need first round picks because they're cheap. Well, Seattle,
Speaker 1: Seattle's trying to win now, and that does first round
Speaker 1: picks aren't going to ensure that you're going to be great.
Speaker 1: You know, you're getting some of these guys or you're
Speaker 1: just bat at drafting, or it'll take a little while
Speaker 1: for these guys to get seasoned. Seattle is ready to
Speaker 1: win now, and Seattle is a very good team. And
Speaker 1: now you put Adams there at the back end of that.
Speaker 1: So I got Russell Wilson as my quarterback on offense,
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams as my quarterback with Bobby Wagner on defense. Okay,
Speaker 1: but this is about playing the forty nine ers in
Speaker 1: my opinion, and I understand why both teams had to
Speaker 1: make the trade. I just I've never had confidence in
Speaker 1: what the Jets do with their draft picks, and maybe
Speaker 1: with the new GM maybe that'll be a big difference
Speaker 1: here because they're going to have first round picks. Sorry, yes,
Speaker 1: I know, I thought it was a good one to
Speaker 1: start of the week. Do we have a poll question,
Speaker 1: McLevin well, I was going to say, who won the
Speaker 1: Jets Seahawks? Trade Jets Seahawks or win win sounds like
Speaker 1: a strong option because you just kind of convinced me
Speaker 1: both teams did what they had to. You can't pick
Speaker 1: win win. I would go. I would go with the
Speaker 1: Seahawks because the NFL is about now, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't know. We love to build for the future,
Speaker 1: but the Jets have been building for the future for
Speaker 1: quite some time. The Dolphins have been building for the
Speaker 1: like teams Bears have been building for the few teams
Speaker 1: build for the future, and they never build for today.
Speaker 1: Now win now and Seattle. Seattle went all in on him.
Speaker 1: As long as Jamal Adams shows up and wants to
Speaker 1: be a leader, then great. But you know, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, he starts to pout a little bit for
Speaker 1: some reason, or he's not going to get as much
Speaker 1: money as he thinks then it could go south. But
Speaker 1: I like the move for Seattle because you got an
Speaker 1: elite guy. Granted it's not an elite position, but he
Speaker 1: is an impact player and you got him because you
Speaker 1: must stop George Kittle and the running game with the Niners.
Speaker 1: That will be his mission, should he choose to accept it. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at the draft history
Speaker 1: of the Jets, these players they go fast. They don't
Speaker 1: bring back anybody, even the decent players. D mill And
Speaker 1: are gone, Calvin Pryor gone, Leonard William's gone, Darren Lee
Speaker 1: just twenty sixteen, he's gone, Jamal Adams now gone, Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold in twenty eighteen, and then last year they got
Speaker 1: win in Williams early in the draft, third pick, and
Speaker 1: he has not off to a great start. But that
Speaker 1: was mccagnet and John Zick, who was known as the
Speaker 1: worst two GMS. Right. We always made fun of those
Speaker 1: TNT cop show him mccagnet is it wasn't it. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you remember, Mike mccagnet, I remember you had said
Speaker 1: some unkind no you, I'm not gonna put it on you,
Speaker 1: but you had always said that you'd heard him was
Speaker 1: not the sharpest GM really. Mike mccagnan, Yeah, his reputation
Speaker 1: was pretty bad with the Jets. Maybe I had a
Speaker 1: couple of beers and said that, I don't know mccagnan
Speaker 1: and Lacy, Yeah, I like that, mccagnet and Spacey. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would say Seattle won it because I don't know
Speaker 1: what the Jets will do with these draft picks, and
Speaker 1: I know that you got a guy instead of we're
Speaker 1: gonna get potential here in the draft, you got Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams and that that's pretty uh, pretty strong. What about
Speaker 1: the team cancer aspect with Jamal Adams and the Jets,
Speaker 1: Like he couldn't have him ripping the coaches every day? Right?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you had to get rid of him.
Speaker 1: And he knew that because once he starts to criticize
Speaker 1: the owner, Woody Johnson, and then he criticizes the head coach,
Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of time that Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not if I get traded, it's where I get traded.
Speaker 1: He wanted to go to the Cowboys, but that wasn't
Speaker 1: going to happen, so he ends up with Seattle. So
Speaker 1: I think both sides did pretty well. Did the best
Speaker 1: that they probably could with this and giving up the
Speaker 1: two first round picks. It sounds alarming, and then you
Speaker 1: start to look at it. It's not like the You know,
Speaker 1: the Bengals gave up two first round picks, then that
Speaker 1: would be different. This is Seattle, and Seattle's pencil him
Speaker 1: in for what ten wins this year. We'll probably draft
Speaker 1: twenty fourth this year. All right? Eight seven seven three
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Speaker 1: So that was the big headline. The Astros lose Justin
Speaker 1: Verlander for a stretch, maybe a little bit longer than that.
Speaker 1: Lou Williams out for the Clippers. More on that story
Speaker 1: coming up, we'll talk to Mark Stunt, the great reporter
Speaker 1: insider for the New York Times. He'll join us to
Speaker 1: talk about Lou Williams. I love Wings, and I probably
Speaker 1: would love Magic City, but I don't know if I
Speaker 1: leave Quarantine to go to Magic City for takeout with wings.
Speaker 1: But but Lou loves his Wings from Magic City, which
Speaker 1: is a strip club. NBA begins in three days. By
Speaker 1: the way. John Smoltz will join us a little bit
Speaker 1: later on, but we'll talk to Mark Stein coming up
Speaker 1: about the bubble your phone calls are always welcome. We'll
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Speaker 1: In the entire last decade, New York's nine pro sports
Speaker 1: teams Mets, Yankees, Knicks, Nets, Giants, Jets, Devils, Islanders, Rangers
Speaker 1: have won one championship. That would be the Giants in
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Speaker 1: you know we had referenced Bob Schmidt, who does our opens,
Speaker 1: earlier this segment. He also had sent in glorious. I
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Speaker 1: question we're gonna go with. So I already put up
Speaker 1: who won the Seahawks Jet Jamal Adams trade early leader
Speaker 1: Seahawks fifty eight percent. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I
Speaker 1: know we love to say who won and who lost.
Speaker 1: I just don't know what the Jets are gonna do
Speaker 1: with these draft picks. You look at that team and
Speaker 1: they're not threatening at all. You've got Sam Darnold. They're
Speaker 1: gonna waste Sam Darnold's career in New York because they're
Speaker 1: not going to do anything for five years with Sam Darnold. Gammicklevin,
Speaker 1: I did was gonna put out a poll, but I
Speaker 1: know that your answer to it best safety the last
Speaker 1: twenty years, if Jamal Adams is the best now, if
Speaker 1: I put Edward to palam All and Earl Thomas, is
Speaker 1: there anybody who competes with Ed Reid? For you guys,
Speaker 1: I love Paula Mallo, but I just think Ed Reid's
Speaker 1: the best safety best Well, I gotta be careful modern
Speaker 1: day safety. Ronnie Lott was great, but it was different
Speaker 1: back then when you could play a different way at safety.
Speaker 1: But Earl Thomas was really talented as well. But Ed Reid,
Speaker 1: to me, could make you pay an a variety of ways.
Speaker 1: And some of these former players and coaches talk about
Speaker 1: the intelligence of Ed Reid, that he was so smart
Speaker 1: at that position. So I would say Ed Reid, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd say Brian Dawkins, by the way, or my Philly fans,
Speaker 1: don't kill me. He was in there discussing no and
Speaker 1: Brian it's a Hall of famer. Yeah, he made the off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely all right. So Mark Stein said to join us
Speaker 1: on loan from the New York Times, and Fritzie is
Speaker 1: on the phone with him, age seven seven, three d
Speaker 1: P show email address DP at Dan Patrick dot com.
Speaker 1: John Smoltz a little bit later on, we'll give you
Speaker 1: our best and worst of the weekend. I watched a
Speaker 1: lot of basketball, and I watched a lot of baseball
Speaker 1: as well. I'm not going to criticize the cardboard cutouts,
Speaker 1: or the virtual fans, or the virtual noise or any
Speaker 1: of that. Even watching a glorified scrimmage in the NBA,
Speaker 1: it's still a little awkward, but I'm seeing something that
Speaker 1: is live, and I'm okay with that. Mark Stein is
Speaker 1: in the bubble he's been covering the NBA since nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four. The New York Times reporter Mark joins us, Now,
Speaker 1: where are you right now? Mark? I am. I found
Speaker 1: a little bit of quiet. The nine o'clock hour here
Speaker 1: is always busy because that's testing hour for the media.
Speaker 1: But I found some quiet not far from the testing
Speaker 1: rooms they got. They got like four hotel rooms set
Speaker 1: aside where we go in and test. And we're glamorous.
Speaker 1: It's glamorous. We're three days away. How do you feel?
Speaker 1: I think you look? The basketball fantastic. I mean to
Speaker 1: be in a gym, you know, I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: to you. Is this squeak of sneakers? It is glorious.
Speaker 1: It's great to be there. You know, we all have
Speaker 1: lamented what we don't have here. But one of the
Speaker 1: perks we do have is arena seats more accustomed to
Speaker 1: the way we used to back in the day when
Speaker 1: when old guys like you and I were getting started.
Speaker 1: You know, we're much closer to the court in one
Speaker 1: of the three gyms, we are on the floor, so
Speaker 1: the seats are amazing. You hear a lot, You hear
Speaker 1: a lot more than you would at a normal game,
Speaker 1: and just I think the teams, the players, guys are
Speaker 1: really happy to be playing again. And and I've heard
Speaker 1: this comment from multiple coaches that they're even practices. I
Speaker 1: think guys just are so happy to be back in
Speaker 1: the gym that even the kind of grumbling you would
Speaker 1: get after five practice days in a row, you're you're
Speaker 1: not hearing that guys want to be in the gym.
Speaker 1: They want to play. The Lou Williams situation shouldn't hear.
Speaker 1: I maintain if he had been a Laker, this would
Speaker 1: be leading the national news. But here he is with
Speaker 1: the Clippers. He goes to Atlanta, goes to a strip
Speaker 1: club to order take up. But so what is the
Speaker 1: violation for Lou Williams. Okay, so the violation is he
Speaker 1: hadn't excused absence, unlike you know the Rashaun Holmes story
Speaker 1: where Rashaun Holmes and the Sacramento Kings takes a few
Speaker 1: steps over a campus border to pick up delivery. He's
Speaker 1: not allowed to pick up. You know, this is Lou
Speaker 1: Williams was on an excused absence. But he goes to
Speaker 1: a public place and obviously we're all going to make
Speaker 1: jokes about where he went and where he ended up.
Speaker 1: But any public place is to me an egregious violation.
Speaker 1: I mean, the bubble has started. You are an You're
Speaker 1: on an excused absence to attend a family funeral. Does
Speaker 1: it really need to be explained that the only place
Speaker 1: you should go is that family funeral and get back,
Speaker 1: get back on a plane and get back to his
Speaker 1: bubble as quickly as possible. I mean, I really don't
Speaker 1: think that needed to be spelled out. I mean, is
Speaker 1: it was irresponsible, it was selfish, and thank god it
Speaker 1: was photographed, because you know, he could have gotten back
Speaker 1: here and no one would have known where he was,
Speaker 1: and that would have been ten times worse. But the
Speaker 1: reality is the NBA has limitations in how it can
Speaker 1: sanction him, and so Rishan Holmes and Lou Williams get
Speaker 1: the same ten day back in quarantine basically because that's
Speaker 1: what the league has collectively bargained with the union on
Speaker 1: these matters. Everybody's saying, why, why are the punishments the same, Well,
Speaker 1: that's why the NBA really didn't have much of an
Speaker 1: option assess the Clippers situation from a basketball perspective. That
Speaker 1: we came into the bubble and they were as deep
Speaker 1: as any team in the NBA, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people like them to emerge from the Western Conference here.
Speaker 1: But how would you handicap them? I mean, I joke him,
Speaker 1: Noah is their center. I mean, well, here's the thing
Speaker 1: that they do have time. I mean, seatings matter nothing
Speaker 1: in terms of home court advantage. They matter as far
Speaker 1: as who you might play. So obviously they don't want
Speaker 1: to fall too far down the ladder because you don't
Speaker 1: want to make your road unnecessarily tougher having to play
Speaker 1: tougher teams. But they do have time. This you know,
Speaker 1: all these teams are playing eight games before we even
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. So yeah, I mean it doesn't
Speaker 1: look great right now when you have no Harold, no
Speaker 1: Lou Williams, Pat Beverly just got back, no Zoobox. I
Speaker 1: mean they're missing, they're no Landry Shammitt. I mean, they
Speaker 1: are missing a slew of rotation players. But they do
Speaker 1: have time on their side. And you know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's no question. I mean, Doc rivers is I would
Speaker 1: say uneasy about it, but it's way too soon for
Speaker 1: them to panic. I mean the damage. We'll be able
Speaker 1: to assess the damage better when the standings are finishing
Speaker 1: and we see how how far they fall down the list,
Speaker 1: and you know kind of what that does them in
Speaker 1: terms of first round opponent. But you know, they still
Speaker 1: have that Kawhi Leonard guy, and they still have Paul George,
Speaker 1: so you know, no, I think they're gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: How do you think history's going to view Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 1: Let's say he wins a couple more titles here and
Speaker 1: we of course start with our all time list when
Speaker 1: we start with how many titles have you won? Kawhi
Speaker 1: sort of that enigma that you know, not quite sure
Speaker 1: how to categorize him, as he's a great postseason player,
Speaker 1: but we've seen that he sort of is a really
Speaker 1: good regular season player. It is a fascinating case because
Speaker 1: he just also doesn't do anything to sell himself. He
Speaker 1: doesn't give us an hounce to work with, especially during
Speaker 1: the regular season when you know it's all about load management.
Speaker 1: But he's probably not going to get his just due unfortunately,
Speaker 1: when you you know, we always talk about super team,
Speaker 1: the San Antonio's in twenty thirteen and twenty fourteen, that
Speaker 1: was the super team, and he made them the super
Speaker 1: team when you had Kawhi Leonards, the Duncan Parker and
Speaker 1: Jenobli and we never look at the Spurs that way.
Speaker 1: But they easily could have won and some which they
Speaker 1: should have won in twenty thirteen. They absolutely disassembled the
Speaker 1: Heatles in twenty fourteen and broke that team up. That
Speaker 1: was the super team. And Kawhi Leonard is what put
Speaker 1: it at that level. And we really don't even discuss it.
Speaker 1: And you know, if he if the Clippers win it all.
Speaker 1: Now look, if the Clippers win it all. See my
Speaker 1: contention is, no matter who if any of the top
Speaker 1: three teams win, if the Lakers win, people are gonna say,
Speaker 1: lebrah and this doesn't count. This isn't real. If the
Speaker 1: Clippers win, win a real championship, this is this is
Speaker 1: the only way you could win was one of these
Speaker 1: the Bucks. Oh, Yannis, you gotta leave Milwaukee. This doesn't count.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna hear that no matter who wins. But
Speaker 1: if the Clippers win it all, and I Leonard is
Speaker 1: the first guy to win titles with three teams, if
Speaker 1: he beats Lebron in that race, yeah, I mean historically
Speaker 1: that's huge. I agree. I just don't know if history
Speaker 1: is going to treat him, maybe fairly. But you're right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't go out of his way. But I look,
Speaker 1: it's just not who he is. And I'm Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: never tried to curry favor. He never tried to, you know,
Speaker 1: be friendly with anybody. He just went out in won championships.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Mark Stein, the New York Times NBA
Speaker 1: writer the Tom Thibodeaux moved by the Knicks. As much
Speaker 1: as I respect him, I do like him, it just
Speaker 1: seems so uninspiring. You got the same ownership here. How
Speaker 1: does this change the Knicks in your opinion? Well, from
Speaker 1: the minute Leon Rose took over everyone in this league,
Speaker 1: especially in coaching circles, Tom Thibodeau was getting this job
Speaker 1: and he did, ye know, they interviewed ten eleven guys
Speaker 1: and you know that's what teams do. Now. There is
Speaker 1: a value when that because you're getting you know, you're
Speaker 1: getting you're getting a look at possible assistance, you're getting
Speaker 1: information from other organizations to put in your database. But
Speaker 1: no matter who they talk to, everybody everybody thought TIBs
Speaker 1: was getting the job. And look, Tids is a fantastic coach.
Speaker 1: The issue here is Leon Rose has come in and
Speaker 1: basically every move made has been someone from his inner
Speaker 1: circle who's been there for the last ten years. And
Speaker 1: that's why that's why uninspiring is the is the word
Speaker 1: you chose. I mean, we could have probably predicted all
Speaker 1: of these moves from the minute Leon Rose took over.
Speaker 1: And he's and this is the problem. Leon Rose was
Speaker 1: a decorated player agent. He's never run a team, he's
Speaker 1: never run an organization. And if you bring in you know,
Speaker 1: a coach you used to represent and Worldwide West who
Speaker 1: was part of the same representation firm, and you know,
Speaker 1: if your whole stoubting operation is just you know, people
Speaker 1: who have been part of your group, your click for
Speaker 1: a long time. I mean, it is no question it's worrisome.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, this is a talent thing, and the Knicks
Speaker 1: are so far adrift of where they should be talent wise.
Speaker 1: They've got to know they've got to shore up the roster,
Speaker 1: for one, but also they've gotta they've got to Leon
Speaker 1: Roads has to build a good basketball operations. But who's
Speaker 1: gonna want to play there? Mark, That's the key. These
Speaker 1: free agents aren't our age. They don't go boy, I'd
Speaker 1: love to play for the Knicks in the Garden, totally right.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have They're gonna have to draft and trade
Speaker 1: well first and and and change the perception of that organization.
Speaker 1: But look, it's look, I still think the Nick the
Speaker 1: Knicks are still a marquee team and Madison Square Garden
Speaker 1: is even this generation, guys still want to play in
Speaker 1: that building. That does carry a little bit of weight.
Speaker 1: But yeah, with free agents, when you hear Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: say how uncool they are in that red Nate and
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Leon Roose is going to have
Speaker 1: to be the one who leads the way to change
Speaker 1: that reputation. And because he has no experience in this
Speaker 1: arena that I mean, that's where the skepticism comes from.
Speaker 1: Stay safe down there, and we look forward to reading
Speaker 1: your columns here in the New York Times. Mark, great
Speaker 1: to talk to you again. Thank you. That's good guys.
Speaker 1: It's Mark Stunt, New York Times reporter and covering the
Speaker 1: NBA since nineteen ninety four. I think we started covering
Speaker 1: the NBA just about the same time when I was
Speaker 1: at the Mothership back then. But I did get to
Speaker 1: cover the NBA when I was at CNN back in
Speaker 1: the eighties as well. You know the Lou Williams situation
Speaker 1: that I had a former player who said, well, let's
Speaker 1: say he was at a really nice restaurant and not
Speaker 1: at a strip club. Would we view this differently? And
Speaker 1: my thought is, you're in the bubble, you have an
Speaker 1: excused absence. You shouldn't be going anywhere. And the former
Speaker 1: players said, well, but he knows he's going to be
Speaker 1: quarantine when he comes back in, so he's not putting
Speaker 1: anybody at risk. He said. The media is getting caught
Speaker 1: up in the fact that it's a strip club. I said, well,
Speaker 1: it's takeout at a strip club. Was it truly takeout
Speaker 1: at a strip club? Is that one of those where
Speaker 1: you spend like fifteen minutes while you wait for your
Speaker 1: order at the strip club? And here is Lou Williams
Speaker 1: earlier this year talking about his favorite restaurant in the country.
Speaker 1: That is my favorite restaurant in the world. But I
Speaker 1: didn't know they even have food like that. Bro Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: So all timing to shut down in Atlanta, the restaurant
Speaker 1: is still open. You can still go to Magic and
Speaker 1: get your food. It's essential. It's an essential. It's a
Speaker 1: part of our culture here. Yeah, so that's Lou Williams.
Speaker 1: This is his favorite restaurant in the world, not just
Speaker 1: the United States. So it's the favorite place in the world.
Speaker 1: Young point. So I saw that report. This confirms that
Speaker 1: the stage wasn't even open. He was just at the
Speaker 1: takeout window right there was not Everyone's like, well, he
Speaker 1: went to the strip club to get wings air quotes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was really haired for the entertain so porshet of
Speaker 1: the main stage, who was not happening there? H But
Speaker 1: he got wings and somebody took a picture. Okay, but
Speaker 1: if you're there for pickup, how did so somebody takes
Speaker 1: a picture of him. But I don't understand the whole
Speaker 1: set up there at Magic City. I've tried to do
Speaker 1: takeout of the strip club before. It never works, if
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It never really I'd have
Speaker 1: guys who would swear they'd go for lunch buffet guys
Speaker 1: at ESPN, guys that weren't on the air the assignment desk.
Speaker 1: My first day at ESPN, we went to the Blue
Speaker 1: Parrot Strip Club. Yeah, and I had just gotten there
Speaker 1: and U two guys on the assignment desk. They go, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to go get lunch? And I go yeah,
Speaker 1: and they go We're gonna go to the Blue Parrot
Speaker 1: and I go, okay, well that seems like an interesting name,
Speaker 1: like you don't think great food with a place like
Speaker 1: the Blue Parrot. I walk in, send them into the
Speaker 1: main stage and I'm going wait, and they go yeah,
Speaker 1: now the lunch is really good. I go, okay. So
Speaker 1: that was my first day at ESPN. Lunch at the
Speaker 1: Blue Parrot. Yeah, Paulling. If you order your ring wings
Speaker 1: dry rubbed at the strip, there's a whole different kind
Speaker 1: of okay. I expected that from the back row to
Speaker 1: this is on a tea from No No, don't try
Speaker 1: to top, no topping unless you can. You have no
Speaker 1: mock headlines for Lou Williams going to a strip club
Speaker 1: for takeout with waiting. It can get very very racy, though,
Speaker 1: How blue can you go? Now you're parental guidance the
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Speaker 1: to find out the Marlins home opener against the Orioles
Speaker 1: tonight has been canceled because they had eight more people.
Speaker 1: The players and coaches test positive for the virus, but
Speaker 1: I don't know can they postponent. At what point it
Speaker 1: does it become a forfeit? Because you have what sixty
Speaker 1: games in a span of sixty seven days, I believe,
Speaker 1: and there's not much wiggle room here. But this game
Speaker 1: has been canceled. I'm guessing you can try to do
Speaker 1: a doubleheader. But if these players have tested positive once again,
Speaker 1: eight more players and two coaches with the Marlins have
Speaker 1: tested positive. So that brings what's the total of players
Speaker 1: and coaches in the organization who have tested positive? Because
Speaker 1: it says eight more players in two coaches fourteen total?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Seton. So they have an outbreak here and
Speaker 1: they wow, I don't know how you. I have the
Speaker 1: team schedules here, they average about four days off, three
Speaker 1: or four days off a month. There wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: lot of time to make up games. Let's say the
Speaker 1: Marlins got shut down for a week, that would be
Speaker 1: six baseball games. You're not having six doubleheaders to make
Speaker 1: up because should be forfeits. But it's not fair to
Speaker 1: the other team, right, The Orioles are ready to play,
Speaker 1: the Marlins are not. I go back to what the
Speaker 1: commissioner told me when I had him on a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, he said, I think the way that
Speaker 1: I think about it is the vein of competitive integrity
Speaker 1: in a sixty game season. If we have a team
Speaker 1: or two that's really decimated with a number of people
Speaker 1: who have had the virus and can't play for any
Speaker 1: significant period of time, it could have a real impact
Speaker 1: on the competition, and we would have to think very
Speaker 1: very hard about what we're doing. Because I said, would
Speaker 1: you pause this season at any point? And that's what
Speaker 1: he's referring to, would you pause the season? So this
Speaker 1: is fourteen now, we don't know, if you know, with
Speaker 1: the Marlins and they who they came in contact with
Speaker 1: with Philadelphia in Atlanta. Keep in mind, the NBA shut
Speaker 1: down the entire organization when Rudy Gobert tested positive. So
Speaker 1: one person tested positive, they shut it down. And I
Speaker 1: know back then we weren't quite sure exactly what it
Speaker 1: was and how contagious it was and how widespread it was,
Speaker 1: certainly in the sports community. But here's fourteen members of
Speaker 1: the Marlins organization who have tested positive and they just canceled.
Speaker 1: The game hasn't been forfeited yet. But then what's Baltimore do?
Speaker 1: So Baltimore is there in Miami and then they're going
Speaker 1: to face a team that is going to quarantine their players.
Speaker 1: Can you bring up minor leaguers here? I means this,
Speaker 1: This isn't good news for football. I know that we
Speaker 1: keep saying football has time and can they learn from it?
Speaker 1: And maybe they can, but this is not a good situation.
Speaker 1: If I'm the commissioner of the NFL, if I'm Roger Goodell, boy,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to know what is going
Speaker 1: on here protocol And that's why I go back to
Speaker 1: Lou Williams. I mean, it's irresponsible. You can't be out
Speaker 1: doing this, even if you're doing pickup. Have somebody do it.
Speaker 1: You've been given permission to leave the bubble. You must
Speaker 1: be sociably conscious of what you're doing. Now. If I'm
Speaker 1: the commissioner, even though you can't do this like we
Speaker 1: already have a you know, a punishments in place, I
Speaker 1: would tell Lou Williams not to come back. You can't.
Speaker 1: But that's how serious that this is how you have
Speaker 1: to take it. You must police yourself. You must be
Speaker 1: strident in being responsible here. There's million, hundreds of millions
Speaker 1: of dollars at stake here. You got people with their health,
Speaker 1: I mean teams with their health, coaches, everybody's involved in this,
Speaker 1: and you can't be out doing take out. You can't
Speaker 1: be doing those things and running that risk. But he's
Speaker 1: going to get the same punishment as some of these
Speaker 1: other players who went to get pick up, you know,
Speaker 1: in the bubble. But I would tell Lou Williams, don't
Speaker 1: come back, even though you can. The Marlins and Orioles
Speaker 1: are scheduled to meet four times this year, all of
Speaker 1: them this week, today, tomorrow at Miami. Today has already
Speaker 1: been postponed on Wednesday and Thursday. How are they going
Speaker 1: to do this? Wow? Johnny Smalt's going to join us
Speaker 1: a little bit later on. We'll talk about it. Welcome
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