WEBVTT - S04 Episode 12 Extra: Escaping the Cave

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Unexplained Extra with me Richard McClane Smith, where

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<v Speaker 1>for the weeks in between episodes, we look at stories

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<v Speaker 1>and ideas that, for one reason or other, didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>it into the previous show. Last week's episode, Wilderness Be

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<v Speaker 1>Still told the tragic story of the Jamison family, whose

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious deaths in two thousand and nine remain unsolved. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of salacious rumormongering about the family and what

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<v Speaker 1>they may or may not have been involved in. No

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<v Speaker 1>official explanation has been given to explain the incident, and

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<v Speaker 1>no arrests have been made in connection with it. Ordinarily,

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<v Speaker 1>with these extra episodes we explore something relevant to the

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<v Speaker 1>previous week's story. However, this week's is a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>The following story was something I came across while conducting

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<v Speaker 1>research for the episode, as it took place in a

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<v Speaker 1>region close to where the Jamison family went missing, So

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<v Speaker 1>apologies for the rather tenuous link. The place in question

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<v Speaker 1>is Robber's Cave State Park, a large wooded area of

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma's Sands Boys Mountains five miles north of the town

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<v Speaker 1>of Wilburton. The area became infamous during the American Civil

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<v Speaker 1>War as a place of refuge for fugitives such as

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse James, who used its dense forest and treacherous terrain

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<v Speaker 1>to evade capture by the law. However, more recently, its

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<v Speaker 1>name became synonymous with one of the most audacious and

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<v Speaker 1>controversial social psychology experiments ever carried out in the name

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<v Speaker 1>of science, known as the nineteen fifty four Robbers Cave Experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>It remains a highly valued textbook example of realistic conflict theory,

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<v Speaker 1>and one that it's fair to say would never be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to happen today. It was a bright summer morning

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<v Speaker 1>in June nineteen fifty four when the bus arrived in

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City to pick up the first group of boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Once on board and heading toward their destination, friendships were

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<v Speaker 1>soon being formed as the boys wasted little time in

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<v Speaker 1>getting to know each other, discussing hobbies into what schools

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<v Speaker 1>they went to. Before long, the boys had arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the Tom Hale Scout Camp in Robber's Cave Park, a

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred acre site in which they would be spending

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<v Speaker 1>the next month together at summer camp. That the boys,

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<v Speaker 1>all eleven years old and from similar socio economic backgrounds,

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<v Speaker 1>might get on so well was not unexpected, since, unbeknownst

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<v Speaker 1>to them and their parents, they had all been specifically

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<v Speaker 1>chosen to do so, because this was no ordinary summer camp,

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<v Speaker 1>but a radical clandestinis berriment devised by soon to be

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<v Speaker 1>famed psychologist Muscifer Sherrif. Cherif, who was born in Turkey

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh five, had grown up right in the

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<v Speaker 1>thick of perhaps the most turbulent thirty year period in

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<v Speaker 1>modern European history, beginning first with the collapse of the

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<v Speaker 1>Ottoman Empire, followed by World War and the resulting fight

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<v Speaker 1>for the Turkish independence, all of which pitied individuals against

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<v Speaker 1>each other along strict nationalistic and societal lines. After moving

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<v Speaker 1>to the US in the late nineteen twenties to study psychology, Chief,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been profoundly scarred by the events of his

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<v Speaker 1>formative years, became interested in theories of conflict. More specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted to understand if systems of society that encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>conflict truly reflected human nature, an idea often touted by

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<v Speaker 1>supporters of those societies that are based on visualistic tendencies

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<v Speaker 1>and the protection of private property, or if it was

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<v Speaker 1>in fact the system that influenced behavior by extension. If

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why different groups form in competition with each

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<v Speaker 1>other could be shown to be merely arbitrary and not

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<v Speaker 1>based on any inherent reason, could there be a way

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<v Speaker 1>to eradicate the desire for conflict. The robbers Cave experiment

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<v Speaker 1>was an attempt to find out. On arrival at the camp,

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<v Speaker 1>the boys were greeted by the camp counselors and invited

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<v Speaker 1>to choose their bunks For the rest of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>The boys were left to their own devices to get

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<v Speaker 1>to know each other as the staff, who were in

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<v Speaker 1>fact Sherrif's research team masquerading as counselors, carefully observed their behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next few days, the boys participated in a

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<v Speaker 1>number of act ativities together, from swimming to dam building

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<v Speaker 1>and playing baseball, most of which had been carefully orchestrated

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<v Speaker 1>to forge a sense of unity and team spirit amongst them.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of the week, although a natural hierarchy

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<v Speaker 1>had been established, the boys were clearly identifying as a

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<v Speaker 1>single group, coalescing around their shared experience of camp. One morning,

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<v Speaker 1>having been told that camp t shirts were available to purchase,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the boys suggested that they each emblazoned them

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<v Speaker 1>with the name Tom Hale Rattlers, with all agreeing to

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<v Speaker 1>do so. From that point on they became known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Rattlers. It was one evening after dinner that the

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<v Speaker 1>boys became aware of unfamiliar voices coming from the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of the baseball diamond. Moving in to take a closer look,

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<v Speaker 1>the Rattlers discovered, to their horror that another group of

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<v Speaker 1>boys were playing on it. Incensed by this or dayous

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<v Speaker 1>intrusion on their territory, the Rattlers started to wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>they had also been swimming in their lake, with one

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<v Speaker 1>boy even driven to tears at the thought of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, the boys were informed by staff that

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<v Speaker 1>there was indeed another group of campers staying at the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same camp as them, and that they had asked

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<v Speaker 1>if they could take the Rattlers on in a game

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<v Speaker 1>of baseball. As it happened, this other group of eleven

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<v Speaker 1>year old boys from the exact same socioeconomic background as

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<v Speaker 1>the Rattlers had also been carefully managed over the last

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<v Speaker 1>week by another of Sherrif's research teams. Due to strategic planning,

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<v Speaker 1>the two groups had been carefully kept unaware of each

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<v Speaker 1>other the whole time. Interestingly, the revelation of each other's

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<v Speaker 1>existence resulted in an increased show of unity amongst the

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<v Speaker 1>respective groups and had urged to improve together. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the rattlers, who was yet to swim, was praised when

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<v Speaker 1>he swam for the first time, and other less able

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<v Speaker 1>swimmers were roundly encouraged by the rest of the group. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>in the other camp, though two of the boys had

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<v Speaker 1>gone home due to homesickness, the remaining nine had steadily

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<v Speaker 1>forged a strong unit in their own right. Having heard

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<v Speaker 1>that the other boys had given themselves a name, this

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<v Speaker 1>second group decided to call themselves the Eagles. A few

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<v Speaker 1>days later, a tournament was announced. There were to be

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<v Speaker 1>a series of games played out over the next few days,

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<v Speaker 1>after which one team would be crowned to the winners

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<v Speaker 1>and receive a set of medals and pen knives as

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<v Speaker 1>a reward. Stage one of Sheriff's experiment was complete. Are

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<v Speaker 1>first game of the tournament was to be a baseball match.

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<v Speaker 1>The Rattlers, who considered the baseball diamond exclusively theirs, were

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<v Speaker 1>the first to arrive, stringing up a large rattle of

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<v Speaker 1>flag behind the backstop to mark their territory. Moments later,

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<v Speaker 1>the ominous notes of the Dragnet theme tune sung by

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<v Speaker 1>nine eleven year old boys could be heard from a distance,

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<v Speaker 1>getting nearer, until finally the Eagles appeared, marching purposely toward

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<v Speaker 1>the pitch and waving a large Eagles flag above their heads.

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<v Speaker 1>Even before the first ball had been pitched, insults were

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<v Speaker 1>hurled between the two groups as they attempted to outcuss

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<v Speaker 1>and intimidate each other. This aggressive name calling set the

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<v Speaker 1>scene for the tournament and only became more intense as

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<v Speaker 1>things progressed. Having lost one particularly heated game of tug

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<v Speaker 1>of war, some of the Eagles tore down the Rattlers

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<v Speaker 1>flag on the baseball pitch and set it on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>The following morning, the staff made sure that the Rattlers

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<v Speaker 1>would be the first to arrive at the diamond to

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<v Speaker 1>take stock of the damage that had been done. When

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<v Speaker 1>the Eagles arrived soon after to face the wrath of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rattlers, it wasn't long before physical fights broke out

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<v Speaker 1>between the boys, only being stopped once staff members stepped

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<v Speaker 1>in to break it up. Later that night, with the

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles all asleep in their cabin, eleven boys, with their

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<v Speaker 1>arms and faces painted black, moved silently from out at

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<v Speaker 1>the forest as their leader yelled to charge. The boys

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<v Speaker 1>tore into the Eagles cabin and ran a muck overturning

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<v Speaker 1>beds and stealing whatever they could get their hands on

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<v Speaker 1>before being eventually chased out. The Eagles repaid the compliment

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<v Speaker 1>the next day while the Rattlers were out eating breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>By the final day of the tournament, the Rattlers had

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<v Speaker 1>taken to singing the enemies coming as soon as they

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<v Speaker 1>saw the eagles, and had covered every inch of the

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<v Speaker 1>camp with their flags. When the Eagles were eventually crowned

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<v Speaker 1>winners of the tournament, the Rattlers left it less than

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hours before mounting a raid on their winners medals.

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<v Speaker 1>With the two groups now in what Sharif described as

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<v Speaker 1>an unmistakable state of friction with one another, it was

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<v Speaker 1>time to move on to Stage three. The changes were

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<v Speaker 1>subtle at first. Both the layout of the bunks and

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<v Speaker 1>the benches in the eating areas had been altered to

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<v Speaker 1>try and disrupt the boy's normal friendship groups. Soon, the

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<v Speaker 1>Rattlers and the Eagles found themselves taking part in exercises together. However,

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<v Speaker 1>despite being forced to share space and time together, each

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<v Speaker 1>tribe member stuck resolutely to their own and refused to mingle. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>one afternoon, the Eagles and the rattlers were given the

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<v Speaker 1>alarming news that the camp's water supply had been cut off.

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<v Speaker 1>Told that it may well be vandals, the boys were

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged to fill up their canteens with whatever was left

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<v Speaker 1>in the taps, and asked if they wanted to help

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<v Speaker 1>with fixing the problem. Boys from each group immediately agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to do so and duly set off to find out

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<v Speaker 1>what had gone wrong. Though at first the boys remained

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<v Speaker 1>in their teams as they tried to figure out the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>by early evening there was only one possibility left, and

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<v Speaker 1>before long they found themselves congregated around the main water tank,

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<v Speaker 1>with dehydrations setting in and their canteens running low on water.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the rattlers spotted a ladder by the side

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<v Speaker 1>of the tank, and, with the help of some other boys,

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<v Speaker 1>used it to take a look inside. Relieved to find

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<v Speaker 1>that it was three quarters full, he invited the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of them, regardless of their group, to come and fill

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<v Speaker 1>up their water bottles. When someone else spotted that a

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<v Speaker 1>sack had been placed inside to block the main outlet,

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<v Speaker 1>the boys worked together to free it. When the water

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<v Speaker 1>was finally flowing again, the boys rejoiced and congratulated one

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<v Speaker 1>another on a successful job, having been faced by this

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<v Speaker 1>global issue that rendered their petty differences irrelevant. The friction

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<v Speaker 1>between the eagles and the rattlers started slowly to disappear

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<v Speaker 1>as a number of other shared activities were laid on.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost all antagonism and sense of tribal superiority had vanished completely.

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<v Speaker 1>On the eve of the final day together, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the boys asked if it might be possible for all

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<v Speaker 1>of them to travel home on the same bus. When

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<v Speaker 1>the staff agreed to it, the rattlers and eagles cheered

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<v Speaker 1>in unison. When the bus finally pulled away the following morning,

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<v Speaker 1>with rattlers and eagles all sitting next to each other

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<v Speaker 1>in harmony, many looked back and cried sad that their

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<v Speaker 1>time at summer camp had finally come to an end.

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