WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Mike Birbiglia 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.040 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.280 Hey it's Unpaid Bill. On this week's Quest Love Supreme Classic, 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.800 we talked to comedian, writer and filmmaker Mike Rofiglia about 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.599 his real life sleepwalking, his movie Don't Think Twice, and 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.639 the insatiable nature of success. This is from November ninth, 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.440 twenty sixteen. See you on the next go round. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:31.400 Shut Up Bill, Just start the episode. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:43.080 Suprema su su Supremo roll call, Suprema Suck Suck Supremo 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:49.520 roll call, Suprema Suck Suh Supremo roll call, Suprema Suck 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:51.680 Suck Suprema roll call. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.800 I am Questlove. Yeah, I do not quit. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:55.560 Yeah. 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.000 Today We're gonna find out. Yeah, Bobby ruined good Ship. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:05.840 Whoa Suprema Sun Sun Supremo. Role called Suprema su su 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:07.560 Suprema roll call. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.440 Yeah, I got electric ladies. Yeah, they come to my crib. Yeah, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:14.360 Rice and. 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:22.120 Suprema Sun Sun Suprema roll Calm, Suprema soun son. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:26.600 Supremo roll called. My name is Steve, Yeah, Sugar Steve. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.880 Yeah, I feel like I'm not wanted. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:38.679 Yeah, in this room, roll call Suprema So soun Supremo 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:39.479 role call. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:45.400 My name is Bill. Yeah, I'm still unpaid. Yeah, got divorced. Yeah, 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.320 I need to get the ro Suprema. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:55.200 Sun Sun Suprema roll Calm Suprema Soun Son Suprema roll. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:56.480 Call Ham Boss Bill. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.600 Yeah, I like Tater Tots. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.040 Yeah, I run this show. Yeah, don't believe me. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:09.200 Just watch Sam Son Sun Supreme. Roll call Suprema Son 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:15.239 Sun Suprema roll Yeah. Yeah. 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.040 Please don't fight me. Yeah, because I don't know how 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:18.320 to do this. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:25.720 Oh, Suprema Son Sun Supremo, Roll call, Suprema Son Sun 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.359 Suprema roll call. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:31.160 My name is Mike. Yeah, I'm not going for a hike. Yeah, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.320 I ain't look at my physique. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:43.000 Yeah, Suprema Suprema roll call, Suprema Son Sun Supremo, Roll 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:50.919 call Supremo Son So Supremo, Roll call Suprema So So Supreme. Roll. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.799 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another addition of Course Love 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.560 Supreme only on Pandora. Yes, I'm Course Love and we 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.120 got the team Supreme with us, and today we got 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.480 a really great show for you. Comedian, writer, actor and 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.560 director Mike Burbigley is on the show he'll be on 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.440 in a bit, and we're talking about his new movie 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.960 Don't Think Twice, which is out next Wednesday on iTunes 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.440 and on December sixth on Blu Ray. And before all that, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.440 we're going to check in with the Team Supreme. We 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.520 are here at our home at Electric Ladies Studios. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.760 Yeah that sugar, Steve. Yes, we're back at Electric Lady Man. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.040 We never left. We never left. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.000 I've been hiding under this couch for twenty years. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.360 Steve and I first met each other twenty years ago 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.320 at where we are right now, this location. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.280 Very to our anniversary tonight. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:46.960 Yeah. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.760 Yeah, so it's good to be here. I just never 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.840 knew that our return to Electric Ladies Studios would be 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.200 a radio show. Yeah, exactly. Okay, So to my left, 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.760 going clockwa uh Sugar Steve, what's up pal? 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:03.840 Feeling good? 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:04.920 You're feeling good? 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:05.160 No? 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.480 Okay, great, stomach hurts, my head is killing. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.960 Me, okay, okay, unpaid Bill? How you doing? 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:13.080 Bro? 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:13.560 Good man? 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:14.640 Are you I'm great? 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:16.600 How's life fantastic? 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:17.440 Really? 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:22.920 Sometimes you look like ship? Thank you coming from you? 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:23.560 Very sure? 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.160 It's really really painful. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:34.400 Fine TiO another day, another dollar, brother, how's it going man? 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:35.520 I can't complain it though. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.000 Man, I'm sitting here a quest a little supreme, an 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.080 electric lady and ship chopping up this paper. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.640 You couldn't leave it, you could, all right, we are 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.640 officially chopping on paper? What the fuck does that mean? 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.600 Up the paper? It's like you know what I mean? 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.920 Oh, you know for those that are as well as 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.480 tell everybody, oh, what's chopping up paper? 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.920 Chopping up paper is a colloquialism used in the American 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.520 South among negroes who are probably making their money in 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.320 the legal activities such as drug dealing or money laundering, 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:14.719 and it replied. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.680 It is referred to as you know, I'm gaining this 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:26.080 currency at an alarming rate. I'm amassing legal tender. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:30.839 As at a rate that is just incredible. So I'm 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.280 here by chopping up the paper. It doesn't mean I'm 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.720 literally putting blades to the paper and then breaking it off. 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.000 It's just counterfeit money. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.680 It could be chopping it up, you could. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.400 You could be breaking it up like in the sheets 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.240 like white. But it's just very much you know, I'm 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:46.440 chopping up that paper. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.560 Boss, Bill, hold on, come on stop. How are we 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.360 doing doing really well? More importantly, how am I doing? 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.280 You're doing great, You're doing a good job. But this 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.279 is only the first like five minutes though, right, No, we've. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.919 Been at this for like about ten minutes so far. Okay, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.640 we'll see. That's that's what you're afforded to keep you 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.000 in mind. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:04.560 You're doing a great job. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.360 And I guess the most notable thing to mention at 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.560 the top here is that the familiar female voice you've 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.960 heard on the past few episodes, A quest love supreme. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.800 Yes, Layah. She's officially part of our family now of 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:22.480 our show, the growing Yeah, the team grows. Uh, I 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:36.120 figured that we need uh sorry, what's brass? I've known 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:37.200 this lady. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:44.920 Since she since we were young and uh wait since 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:53.320 she was that No, you know she's my my comrade 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:58.480 from Philadelphia. Uh no, you're f Philly, thank you. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:01.159 Yeah. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:07.320 Now I'm already regretting this. This this is welcome, like 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:08.440 yea Saint Clair. 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.880 Yes, sorry, I'm not good with compliments. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.240 We're gonna have to give you a nickname. Well, she 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.880 used to be Lady La Yah on Philadelphia. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.040 It was just like, where do you see a lady? 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:20.560 Where was she at? 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:21.600 Were you not? 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:24.200 Lady? 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.000 Like's like two thousand syllables. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:27.520 So what was your club name? 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:27.840 What was. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.240 Like the other chip? But like, you know, no, this 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:36.680 just seems like it's going to get me in trouble. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.400 Later worked in the daytime. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.120 No, you don't make no money in the daytime at 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:41.680 the strip club. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.720 Oh okay, because you have to think, like what kind 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.080 of person goes to the strip club? 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:52.240 This is the gold club right right? 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.559 You know what I'm saying because you actually I fell 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.920 it's and realized, Oh ship, I just. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.280 Wait, are we still on the air right now? Yeah, 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.200 we are still on the air. We've been yanked off 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:04.560 the air. 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:07.840 Yeah, I went to college. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.920 Everybody. Yeah, I was going to say, let's let's play 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.520 in a different picture of Laya. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.240 I've been working with Laya behind the scenes for several 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:19.760 weeks now. She's very very smart, very intelligent. We are 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.600 blessed to have ya No, no, no, no, no, let 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.560 me okay, you're just saying I'm lying, Well, yeah that 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:27.320 she's not. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:34.480 Pleasant now Liyas is actually uh Philadelphia radio h Royalty. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:40.400 She's been You've been on radio in Philadelphia for least. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.839 Eleven since I was eleven years No, I knew you 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.560 since you were twelve. No, I just don't want them 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.320 to know that I'm old. But yeah, that's fine. I've 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:50.719 been on listen. I was on the radio for like 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:51.199 fifteen years. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.280 Let's just keep it real, okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, you've 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.120 done a great job. That's why you're here. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:57.840 I just want to mention y'all said something about Source 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.920 magazine not being valid, but it's still valid in twenty 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.240 thirteen and fourteen because I was in the top thirteen radio. 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.480 So as long as that's still going on, Oh wow, 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.040 magazine is still valad. I just I wasn't on the 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.200 radio on twenty fourteen, but they still put me in there. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.520 So I just want to get him to love shows 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:17.240 you how much credibility then, I mean, really, he's gonna 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:18.400 put you on the list. She didn't even got a 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.640 god damn show saying Wow, Pooty don't need no words, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:26.320 Pooty don't need no meals, Pooty don't need no radio show. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:32.120 Pooty No what Pooty do? Yo? 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.679 Why I just found out that Lewis c K he 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:40.720 wrote and directed. Wow, I did that is these movies? 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.079 It should have want oscars. Pooty shouldn't want to fucking. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:48.480 Pooty jang Oscar and Clifton File should get a Lifetime 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:49.679 Achieving Award DC. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.559 Clifton Power. Dude, he's black excellence. Like he's one of 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.559 those black actors. He was a black father. He's a 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.280 black father. But then he'll turn around and like he'll 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:01.280 be in fucking Star. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.680 Wars like he worked. He just be working Star Wars 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.240 and he was in he wasn't the Star Wars. But 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.560 he'll be in like some big budget like Minister Society, 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:08.520 and then he'll be he. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.880 Was in his society. But then his greatest role I 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:15.560 think was Pinky in Next Friday. He really just really 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.480 there was a rich emotional tap just really fine. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:24.520 I mean fine time out front? 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:25.000 Can we. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.320 Now I have to analyze you. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:38.439 How like the sponge that is your brain and the 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.920 information that it retains. I said that it is an 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.760 amazing You might need to be the guest next week. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.079 Is that like no weed influence? Like seriously, is that 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:51.000 no weed influence? 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.839 No? I don't know, I don't know. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.000 I mean I would just since I was a kid, 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.760 I just been able to just kind of retain some reading. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.439 I mean, I smoke, but I'm not I'm not a smoker. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.840 I mean, if you know, I'll do it in the gathering. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.760 If like y'all got one, Hell yeah, we're going in. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:05.840 It's a celebration. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.719 Oh no, I don't really smoke, no wheed like that 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.520 because it's just it just it kills my productivity. And 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.320 it was just one episode I had. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.240 Where I was driving back from the White House high 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:20.839 and the road started Chris crasing, So I told God, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.000 I wasn't doing that shit no moment. Well, wait, I'm 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.199 going to ask you something because this is what I learned. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:30.880 Haven't recently just visited uh Maui where the speed limit 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.800 the average speed limit thirty five? Oh shit, thirty five. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.280 Like it would be like something where it's like, okay, 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.840 so where's the whole food that they'll be like, oh 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:41.680 it's eight miles away. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.640 You'll get there and like uh forty minutes. Wow yeah, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.719 and you gotta drive thirty five. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.840 And the logic was that it stops uh drunk driving 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:57.320 uh incidents. But the thing is, I'm like keep saying, 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:04.760 if you're inebriated, good one. If you're inebriated, Uh, will 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.360 you see that thirty five. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:08.360 Predominant? 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.440 Like will yeah see that I don't know, but if 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.200 you're driving slow, like, won't that put your life at 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:15.840 risk more? 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:17.559 I don't know, I don't know what. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.439 The one time I did it, it was uh and 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.199 that was it. Like that shit scared the shit out 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:23.880 of me, dude. And that's another reason, like drugs actually 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.280 really like scared me. So that one experience, it was 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.000 me and a girl I was seeing at the time, 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.959 and we were smoking, just smoking, like just smoking, just 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:33.520 for fucking smoking, and we. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.400 Had a damnt and we was doing it. That was 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:37.559 like seven smokings. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.719 Man, We was just smoking and she was actually I 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.040 mean to bring it all home to Electric Lady. This 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.160 was after one of your fam artists that you here 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.160 produced had finished her sophomore album, so we were kind 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.200 of celebrating that she was had finished. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:56.440 She related to that artist. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.520 Wasn't related, Oh god, no, it wasn't her. I know 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.679 you're talking about it wasn't related, But was it related? No, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.760 re doubt disrespect to that person, but I maybe now 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.040 I wasn't here, but but now we were hanging and 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.559 so she had it on the on the pipe and 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.520 you know, man, I just I mean where I'm from, 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.560 pipes mean crack so smoking off a pipe just felt 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.920 real crackish to me, you know what I'm saying. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.599 But I was like, I mean, whatever, we're doing it. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.400 So I was smoking it off the pipe and it 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.880 is real pure. So I was like, damn on Hunger's hell, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:29.280 we need to go to the guy in the White House. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.480 And so I drove to the waffle House and we 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.280 went to the waffle house on a This was a Saturday. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.319 Night, and I remember sitting there and the high just 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.000 came over me. I'm waiting on my food, and you 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.719 know my thing with food, Like I remember my my 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.400 dude who was took our joint. He had a jail 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.240 tat named tap Daddy. And when I saw the jail tat, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.280 I knew, not for real, I'm not making this shit up, dude, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.000 And so I knew then. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.599 You know, that was one for my hypothesis that I 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.920 knew the food was gonna be great because fell In 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.280 cook the best food, right. I mean, like, if it 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:10.160 ain't at least Prodigies shout out the Prodigies prison book. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.840 Yo, No, if you ain't got at least two feelings 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.760 in your if you ain't got at least two felons in. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.440 Your restaurant, the food is gonna be shitty. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.280 And if you don't have at least one person to 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.760 a black family that has a black disease just cooking. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.960 Like if your grandma ain't got the speedbag on her arm, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:28.680 I don't want her dinner. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.600 I don't want her feeling. It's not gonna be good. No, it's. 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.760 Person with a arms with black disease, such as the 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:41.920 gallay bag is not a disease. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.040 It's just like what happens to women when they it's 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:44.960 called wings, you know. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.400 Noah, it's it's I mean it's wings in it. Yeah, 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.240 chicken wings. You got damn mini. 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.080 So no bag is way better than come on, you 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.160 need this, you got the speed bag. But anyway, So anyway, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:00.880 so it's it's felling cooking my chicken and eggs. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.600 I know she's gonna be amazing. So I'm sitting here 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.920 and the high is just keeping coming down on me. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.880 Right, So it's Saturday night and the police is out there, 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.400 and the girl ontle bit. By the time she so 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.560 got damn high, she didnet fell asleep. She nodding off 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.640 like the goddamn dope fiend lean looking like bubbles from 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:19.320 the wine shit. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.680 So so I'm just like, yo, this is bad. So 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:25.760 I tell her to just go get in the cars. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:26.960 They just go get in the car and just just 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.240 go to sleep. So the police is out there cause 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.880 they cause, you know, it's like the fucking club. So man, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.000 I finally get the food and I'm walking out and 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.880 the police is looking at me. I'm just like, dude, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:37.760 I'm looking at a duy. 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.160 Do it in the place truck. And I had to 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.320 put the key in my car. This was before. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.000 This was like when I was a really broke nigga, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.000 and like I didn't have the remote control open key 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:51.040 I had. I had the whole school, like you gotta 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.120 get the clan, enjoy the Latin turn. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:55.760 Man. That was the most concentrated shit I had to 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:56.480 do about life. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:57.560 And I got it. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.680 And you know, I remember driving home and man, the 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.200 road started goddamn zig zaggy man, and I just said 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:05.400 to myself, I was like, God, if you let me 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.200 get home, I will never get this high again. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.480 And I made it home and I busted down them 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:14.480 chicken and eggs and I never busted down. I never 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.320 got that high again. That was it, man, So wow, 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:22.160 that was it. I got contact from. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.680 Oh man, that coffee tall looks. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.440 You should just move to walking distance from the wildflouse 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:34.200 then you can get high. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:34.880 Hey. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:42.200 Research every time I go there, I try to figure out, uh, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.200 because I know there's they claim that there's a million 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.720 plus combinations of the hash browns. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.760 Yeah, you can get them scattered some other covered chunk 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.800 cap you can get them with chili. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.840 You know what I'm saying. I I mean I know 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.280 the menu pretty well. No, but there's a scientific there's 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:09.680 a scientific number combination that says that, uh, it's one 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.639 mill it's one million plus different conferent combinations. Yeah, I 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.440 get everything my mind. Oh you what you get on yours? 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.840 What on your cheese? And everything to I go full throttle. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.399 Oh damn, but I only do like a quarter of it. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.359 Okay, you know I'm one of those like I'm in 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.600 the the god the am I about to make this 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:35.320 reference the Ron Pearlman face in my life? Oh he 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.000 orders everything and this does a little bit of each 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.320 thing and then leaves, which it's that's probably the worst 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.280 thing I could say, like because there's this unspoken rule 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:45.560 that we can't waste. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.280 Food and then but then but see wilfle House they 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.439 done upgraded a formula bro. So now wait what they 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.359 done upgrade at the formula They messed with it. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.800 Nah they brother, So now what they used to they 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.920 used to just have the regular waffles, just the regular 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.280 I got the oh, but now they got the peaking. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.080 But now they got the new joint they do. They'll 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.160 do you a strawberry waffer. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.600 They put a little strawberry like little something some cancer 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.920 crossing ship they put in there and they just cook 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:12.560 it up and it tastes fucking amazing. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:18.800 Oh boy, oh boy, Wow, we really do need to 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:19.960 go to wilf House. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.520 Yeah, that would be after that cancer comment. We really 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.200 need to go. Let's go. 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:27.680 Yeah that was that. 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.119 Did you see that story about the girls that was 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:31.960 got the waffle house? I don't think they got to 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.040 shut down. They were fired the girls that was doing 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.040 hair in the white house. Wait what this is true? 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.320 There was a did you get your hair died? Well 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.919 they were doing it. It was like it was somewhere 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.359 in Atlanta. I want to say a shot shot they 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.760 were doing shot totally shot. They were doing hair, washing 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:49.840 hair in the waffle house. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.040 There are so many world Star videos a by waffle 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:54.320 house fights. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.360 It's a lot, a lot's go down because it's twenty 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:57.919 four hours. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.439 It's twenty four hours. But I got a imagine they 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.720 only make I'm sure, like their. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.879 Profit margins are the highest from the hours of like 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.080 twelve midnight to like three four in the morning, like 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.880 eating waffle house. Much like you wonder about the guy 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:12.520 that goes to the strip club during the day. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:15.160 I'm just thinking. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.680 I'm just thinking, dude, because like if you go eating 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.120 waffle House during the day, like for you, a goddamn savage. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:30.520 Wait is more for the day wait time time out, really, 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:31.480 I mean. 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.639 Because because for us, like when we was coming up, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.960 waffle House was club. It was after the club. Food, 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.600 it was after the club. It's late night you go, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.840 and that's what it is now. I will say during 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:45.000 the morning, like if morning I'm with you, we would 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:50.960 we would hit it. Sometimes when I land, before I 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:52.800 go to the hotel, I go to waffle House like 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:53.800 I eat daytime. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.280 You go to the strip club in a daytime too, though, So. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:19:58.600 No I don't. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:05.280 Oh okay, So let's let's dial back via the food 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.720 talk a bit here, guys, and get a little serious. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.000 At least in line with our guest today who is 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:20.720 a comedian. I feel it's probably one of the more, 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:28.280 probably one of the most unique storytellers in comedy, because 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.399 his level of comedy isn't just like why did the 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:32.440 Chicken across the Road? Like? 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.960 It's not just like set up punchline, set up punchline like. 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.639 He tells these stories of his life and they're the 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.040 most hilarious. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.560 Thing ever, except they're all like real. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:50.960 They're the most painful, realist, most insecure, most pie in 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:56.320 the face, you know, self deprecating stories I've ever heard. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.840 But the way he delivers it makes it so relatable, 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.320 makes him so likable. 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:04.320 And he's made two. 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:09.320 Movies that I really feel that are important, I guess 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:13.639 for artists to like and people that aren't into art. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.240 They speak to all areas of life. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.240 I'm speaking of a Sleepwalk with Me and I'm speaking 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:26.760 of his newest film, Don't Think Twice. And our guest 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.200 is Mike Verbiglia, and he's coming up in the next segment. 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.879 Ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for Mike Burbiglia. 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:40.000 Man. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:46.160 Thank you, guys, Welcome to Quest Love Supres. How's it going. 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.720 I'm good, I'm good. I'm uh, I'm I'm psyched that 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.040 you like the movie. And I was just I was 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:58.000 talking to Bill before him because he I ran into 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.919 him a few months ago, and I was telling him 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:01.440 about the movie. 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.800 Not to be confused with boss Ball, okay, and. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.879 I ran into you at I'm forgetting the name of 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:17.080 the place Barrell Yeah and uh. And he was in 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.760 a group for many years. 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.040 I was in a group. I still I guess. I 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.480 still am in a group called Freestyle of Supreme sounds 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.800 a lot like Quest Surprises a Bound, So I played it. 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.919 I played and still play. I guess in a hip 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:35.639 hop improv comedy group where we get suggestions from the 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.040 audience to make up hip hop tunes. And the people 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.520 who are in the group are the people that went 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.159 on sort of to create Hamilton the musical. They are 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.080 Lynn Miranda and Chris Jackson and Dove Diggs and all 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:47.880 the guys who are in that are in the same group. 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.120 And Mike reminded me that we were at the same 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.240 Aspen Comedy Festival together once many. 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.359 Was that a Battle of the no I was just 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.879 doing stand up and these guys were doing freestyle. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:01.439 Yeah, I didn't know each other, but. 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.880 Then a few months ago I ran into these guys 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.280 because I did something with Lynn Miranda a couple of 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.400 years ago, and I was like, hey, I didn't know Bill. 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:11.320 I was like, hey, Lynn, I think you'll like this 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:15.760 movie I made. It's probably a little bit like your life. 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.920 Little did I know that it was, and Bill was 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:23.399 part of it. 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:23.920 Yeah. 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.280 So I watched the movie today, Don't Think Twice an 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:28.159 incredible film and. 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:29.000 Was and. 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:34.280 That's a whole lot like my life straight up. 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.560 And what a meir. You and I were texting last night. 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.000 Who do you relate to most in the movie? 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.960 I mean, in the beginning, I thought I was Jack, 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.879 but then I thought then I thought maybe I was 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:52.119 your character, Miles. Yeah, because what I don't want to 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.280 be is I don't want to be the character that 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:58.120 doesn't realize that the party's over and the lights are out. 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:01.600 Can we kind of give them an overview? 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.400 Yeah? Yeah. So the gist of it is like, it's 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.159 a movie about a bunch of best friends in like 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.560 an improv comedy group, and they've been together for years 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:10.920 and then one of them gets a chance to be 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.720 on like a Saturday night Live type of show, and 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.400 the rest of them don't. And it's about That's why 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.840 we're talking about in relation to breakups, because it's what 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.760 happens when not everybody makes it in the same way 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:26.160 like Michael, like Michael Jackson for example, Wait side. 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:29.800 Note, because I'm gonna I'm gonna interrupt with small, meaningless 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:34.840 questions here, all right? Similar to Nike's font, Yeah, does 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.680 does Broadway Video own that Weekend Live? 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:38.000 Funt? 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:38.639 No? 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:40.240 They don't know that font? That fun? 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.359 How did you guys master that fund? Because that was 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:44.639 fun impressive that font. 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.520 We went through fonts and were like, yeah, that's similar 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:48.280 to sarent. 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:52.399 Live, but it's not the same, okay, And it's funny 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:53.880 you asked that question because I was wondering the same 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:54.920 thing while I was watching. 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.400 Well you know what. You were like, Yo, y'all nail 0:24:57.520 --> 0:24:58.160 this perfectly? 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.960 And who was I was over its as Myers one day, 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:03.200 like when I was in prep for the movie and 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.480 we're doing all the production design stuff. Were're trying to 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:07.840 make it look like SARENT live. And I was walking 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:12.159 in to the hallways he you know, Causeth Myers is 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:15.240 literally down the hall from SNL. I was walking in 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.960 just like taking photos with my phone and the security guard. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:20.440 I was like, hey, get out, you can't take photos, 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:21.920 and I was like, I got what I need? 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.840 And who was your fake dom Pardo? That was me? 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:32.640 I did you were the Yeah? But like, but what's 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:34.960 funny about it is and that's what I don't mind 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.560 talking about. It's like if if at Saren life suit us, 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.680 it would be literally the best thing that could have 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.320 ever happen. It's like when Al Frankin wrote that movie, 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:48.359 that book about fox News, the lying Liars, lies in 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.960 the lying liars that tell them, and then fox News 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.960 sued him, and before that it wasn't on the bestseller list, 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.080 and then because of that it ended up on the 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.280 best So anyway, I'm hoping it's a hit. 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.720 So yeah, I guess for those that have yet to 0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:08.840 see it, I really feel like this could be my 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:15.159 big fat Greek wedding tortoise in the hair success story, 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:20.000 little train that could movie. I hope so, because this 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:27.120 is everyone's story and for me, the bottom line, I'm 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:31.359 obsessed with why people clearly. 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.879 Choose to ruin a good thing? 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:39.200 Why do they self sabotage like I can name about 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:41.720 and I'm probably one of them. I can name at 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.680 least thirty people in my life that kind of have. 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:51.320 If you're familiar with SNL trivia, you know the Final 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:56.080 Jeopardy where Trebek and Sean Connery are kind of going 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.359 at each other, and you know, Final Jeopardy is like 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.680 the answer is to All you have to say is 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.440 the answers to and then the next thing, you know, 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.480 the best analogy right, and then they will say. 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.560 Like Michigan, that's the answer for me. 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.840 The moment where I realized that this wasn't the average 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:22.040 film was was when uh Jie Gillian's character clearly didn't go, 0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:27.400 you know, to the audition to become a star, which 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:28.719 he clearly could have been one. 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:31.400 And I mean, how. 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.600 How did you even have the insight to go into 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.399 that psychological level where to know that happens. 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.200 I feel like I know a lot of people who've 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.440 done that over the years, who have like who you're like, 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:48.240 you know how there's always the people you're like, yeah, 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.879 Eddie Murphy's good, but the real guy was always like 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.640 the real guy was this other dude. 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.920 Yeah, oh yeah. For every Jordan on the court, there's 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.800 like seven other and one that could have. Yeah. 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:04.520 That was the thing that was like the joke was, 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:06.440 how did Eddie Murphy end up on Saturday Night Live? 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:08.280 And because Charlie Burnett couldn't read. 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.920 Yeah, he's the actual guy I never named the a 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:14.679 street performer. 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:16.960 He was a street performer in DC. And he's the 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:20.680 guy who pretty much kind of who Chappelle used to watch. 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.720 And he's in DC Cab. I don't know if you've seen, 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.200 I've seen he's in. 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:25.800 He was like that. 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:27.760 He's one of the guys DC Cab. But like, I mean, 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.320 drugs everything. But he was a street performer. He died 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.960 in like late eighties, don't want to say, but he 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:37.000 was like the man, he was the dude, but he 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:37.600 couldn't read. 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:40.400 Wow, so you just sabotaged it. 0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.600 Yeah, that's I mean, there's a million guys of the 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.240 seller like that. You guys you see all the time, 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:48.880 literally the funny student. You're like, how come that person 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:50.560 is not the most famous comic. 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.520 This is what I learned about at least my five 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:57.320 years of kind of being the New Yorker and and 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.800 scoping the comedy scene, which I do obsessively more than 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:06.680 musicians and more than chefs, Like comedians are a strange, 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:12.400 strange animal I'm now realizing that humor is used as 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:17.920 a means to deflect what the real problem is going inside. 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.560 And I didn't realize that until I started hanging out 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:28.320 at the cellar regularly. And there's the time period where, 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:32.640 like I started working for Schumer, she kind. 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.400 Of showed me the ropes. And the thing was, it 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.840 was at the very beginning of her slow rise. 0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:41.880 By that point, she was just doing you know, her 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.239 Comedy Central specials, and the show wasn't even thought about then. 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:48.400 Once the show started to develop, and then you know, 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:51.560 I would ask her like obsessively, like, Okay, so do 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.440 you feel a pressure now? 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.800 Do you feel like you have to bring everyone with you? 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.160 Do you feel as though like you know, yeah? 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:00.360 And she kind of has. 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:02.160 I'm amazing. 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.160 It's ridiculous. People she puts on her show. We're in 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:07.040 the comedy scene. 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.880 She's she's like a more organized allan Iverson. 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:17.080 Oh wow, how she does Amy Schumer like a more organized. 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.840 Because okay, as a Philadelphian and as the season ticket 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:26.960 holder to the Sixers, you know, especially during the period 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:32.160 of allan ivers I've never seen someone like literally carry 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.400 the weight of his family behind that be cousins and 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:39.440 like he would have cousins in the third tier, extended 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.520 friends in the second tier, family members in the first year, 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.880 like and that's when I learned. 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.920 Like, oh no, I never want to be the person that. 0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.160 Has to like you can't take them all with you, 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:59.120 and so you either are gonna have the crew of 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.800 the posse that you have to take care of, or 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:05.880 you roll by yourself. Now I personally choose to roll 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.400 by myself, to the chagrine of a lot of people 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:08.920 in my life. 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:13.280 Yeah, so it's it's you know, damned if you do, 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.640 damn it if you don't. But you know, I. 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.800 Can't figure out how like at the Comedy Celler, at 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.640 least can you explain what the what that environment is 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:23.040 like there? 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.600 When I started at the Cellar, it was in like 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.840 two thousand and two, and it actually was I think 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.760 much even tougher then, Like it was like Colin Quinn. 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.160 It was around the time Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.960 was on Comedy Central. So it was like Colin Quinn 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.800 and Nick DePaolo, Greg Giraldo and Patrese, who was like 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.520 do you know Patrise, I mean like Pres O'Neill's you know, 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:47.880 one of the. 0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:48.480 Greats and like. 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.200 Just I mean, those guys were tough on each other. 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:59.120 Like Patrice could make you want to crawl under a ross. No, 0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:03.600 he used to how he addressed you, big head, Leah, 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:10.280 you got the biggest head that literally he would do 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:14.080 that for a half hour. He was he was a 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.200 mean guy. But but yeah, I know. So there's a 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.360 lot of like survival and and people going at each other. 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.760 And I was, I mean, I never thrived in that environment. 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.400 I mean, I I still play there. I love the Cellar, 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.760 but like I never you know, I never got into 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:28.240 that culture. 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.120 So I'm saying I'm noticing in at least the New 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:35.680 York comedy world, there's three avenues you can choose uh 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:42.920 kind of above uh twenty third Street, like sort of 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:48.480 like to midtown Manhattan. I don't know if like what 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:50.720 you would call that area, but that's where like more 0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:54.080 mainstream comedy is. And Okay, I don't know if people 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.920 necessarily aspire to be there. I would think that those 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.240 that kind of thrive at that. 0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.240 Particular strip could also play Vegas. 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.120 The Carolines. 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:06.840 I don't know what you would call like a David 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.239 Brenner type or that sort of thing. 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:14.080 But then over in Brooklyn, Yeah, I'm discovering little Field 0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.240 Union Hall, alternative house. 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:21.880 Yeah, kind of the snobby millennials. And then there's that's. 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.600 What I like. But it's I like to performing there. 0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.920 But it's just like performing for your friends. So you're 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:27.719 doing stand up. 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:31.200 There's no there's no challenge, no challenge to it at all. 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.800 It's it's like people like minded people. And that's why 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.600 I like The Seller is great because it's like a 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.920 lot of tourists, it's people from all over the place. 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.840 It's just like it's it's actually hard to kill at 0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:47.080 the Seller. Really, it's pretty hard unless you're really feeling 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.120 like if you're Schumer or you're as He's like you're 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:51.240 famous and people are psyched that you're there. 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:52.200 People. 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.040 Do you think people come there to sort of stargaze 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.240 and I think that's yeah, there's a lot of just 0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:58.800 hoping for that night that Louis. 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.760 Yeah, does that also? 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.160 Does that think for a bad set for you? Like 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.319 has someone ever just butted in line, like oh, Eddie 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:09.640 Murphy wants to do and then. 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:11.400 Like you have to go on afterwards or. 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.600 I remember I was on stage once for two minutes 0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.439 and I got the light and I'm like, what the fuck. 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.680 I look over and it's Robin Williams. 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:26.840 Oh yeah, when Patch Adams want to get on, we 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:28.120 got missed out for coming up. 0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:29.720 You gotta just cut that short. 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.520 I was so mad, though I was good, you know, 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.279 it's twenty five or whatever. I had an attitude. I 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.319 thought I was better than I was. I was like, fuck, 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:40.800 Robin Williams, who's that? 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:41.320 You know? 0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.799 Walked off one of the things with your movie Man 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.879 another movie I kind of saw parallel, So I don't 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.239 know if you saw it inside. 0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:50.680 Lewin Davis, Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:52.960 It very much reminded me of that, just in the 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:57.080 sense of you have a person where you just realize 0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.560 what do you do with the realization that it's just 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:02.279 not gonna happen, and you just have those characters. It's 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.520 just like, look, dude, I know you thought you were 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.800 that guy, but you're not that fucking guy. Have you 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.520 ever felt like that? 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.839 I mean, first, I think you're very funny. Why did 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.399 you make yourself that character? Yeah? 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:14.839 For real? 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:17.400 Not for real, because in my head I thought you 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:19.160 were gonna be the chosen one. 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:24.279 I thought no, and I my buddy, you know, your Matakone. Yeah, 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:26.759 he's a buddy who wrote for us and l for 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:28.000 a lot of years, and he gave notes in the 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.200 script and he's a friend of mine, and he he 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.600 was like, you gotta play Jack. And I was like, 0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.160 you gotta play Keegan's character. And I was like, no, No, 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:40.560 I'm not talented enough to play You don't understand, like 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:45.360 you need somebody who is so good that they're undeniable 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.920 and on the screen you're like, when you're watching, you're like, oh, 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.680 it's gotta be him, because that's the guy who would 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:54.880 get it, because Keagan would have gotten it had he 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.200 not gone to Mad TV. You got asked to do 0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.719 Mad TV before US, and no, Wow, So then what 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.239 good for his life? Because then that's where he met 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.600 Jordan Peel and they made one of the greatest sketch 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:05.480 comedy shows. 0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.200 Of all time, I think, but talk about and Michael Key. 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.200 Yeah, kee and Michael Key. But uh but yeah. So 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:13.399 that's why I played Miles, which is the bitter guy, 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.960 which is I don't I'm not like Miles. 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.200 But I also I'm. 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:19.759 Pretty good at wearing bitterness. 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:21.760 You're petty. 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.759 I just I don't know if I'm I don't know 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.080 if I'm petty, but like when I do it, people 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:28.719 believe it. 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.279 We're petty, all right? This is the petty hour question 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:39.200 of Supreme. Yeah, we're here with Mike Big. Is pettiness 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.440 a positive character trait? I don't think so. 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:47.839 Man, I realized it's wrong, but I can I wear 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.160 proud like like a like a scarlet letter that I'm 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:51.839 happy about. 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:53.720 But you're such a son of a bitch if you're petty, 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.520 because there's so many people who are jealous of you, 0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:58.040 and so. 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.640 I want to be like everybody. But I think it's relative. 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:08.560 The grass is greener on the other side. Yeah, I mean, 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.600 because and that was the thing I like watching the movie. 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:12.600 I didn't want to say. I mean, I think we 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.080 could preto much tell people what happened. I mean we won't. 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.400 I wouldn't do it, but it's still I think we 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.879 wouldn't be spoiling anything because the way the story is told, 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.360 it's I mean, to me, the magic was in the 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.239 way you told the story, not necessarily in just the 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.279 details themselves. But the thing is, if we're too self 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.880 aware of what character we are, like it's sex in 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:32.520 the city, and I feel like. 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.000 I feel like we're all miles. 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.479 It's been different parts. I feel like I've been that guy. 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.120 I've been every person at different points in my career. 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.319 I've been I've been every character in that movie. 0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.279 Yeah, I feel we're so lucky. 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.520 I can't wait to be Jack, like I was watching 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:52.240 that movie, like, I know everybody. 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.960 Struggle, but yet my Jack moments may have not been 0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.839 live moments, but even moments where you definitely want more 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:00.200 so than right. 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:07.600 Yeah, yeah, Well, can I get personal with your situations? 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.279 No cut card over here, baby, let's go all right. 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:14.400 Well, I'm just saying that who whose character did you 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.960 relate to? I could relate to all of them when 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.040 you watch the film. Did you see your own group 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:20.800 in this situation? 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:22.880 Absolutely? Okay. 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.280 There were definitely moments and not necessarily in the group 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:30.960 between me, Pool and Ninth, you know, for you know, 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:32.160 just to give them back story. 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:33.440 I was in a group called Little Brother. 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:38.279 A very influential group that kind of you know, a 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:42.560 lot of the today's mega you know, mega winners in 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.080 the hip hop game always referred to as like one 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:45.960 of their favorite groups. 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:47.640 Definitely one of my favorite groups. 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.440 Like, yeah, that's why he's here because we love the 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:52.560 ship out a little brother when he came out and. 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.400 So thank you man. So the group was me. 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.520 I was an EMC, my partner Big Pool, and I 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.000 produced a ninth Wonder who you know went on to 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:06.080 produce like major artists jay Z, Beyonce. Uh, I mean, 0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:08.480 just you know do it this really big records. And 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.200 so for me, when me and Poo first started, we 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:15.160 had the conversation that listen, if you study hip hop, 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.239 you know the producer always goes on to do more, 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:20.040 and you want that to happen. 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:20.680 You know what I'm saying. 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.400 You know your man is talented. You want him to 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.600 go on and go and do and and go forth. 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.160 So between me and him, it was cool when when 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.480 Knife got the jay Z Look, we came up here 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.480 the baseline, met jay Z. I mean that was surreal, 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.560 you know what I'm saying because I remember being. 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.520 In the dorm with that dude. You came up the baseline. Yeah, yeah, 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:40.280 because we mixed the Miser Show on Baseline. 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.320 Wow, we met and we like that. 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.480 One day we met Jay he was just there and 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:49.120 he played us threats from the Black album and so yeah, man, 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.800 So for me to see that journey of me and 0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:55.040 Knife being in the dorm together and him looking at like, 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.880 you know, the Source and us him looking at you know, 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:00.960 executive Bruce by DJ Premier, and I'm saying, like, yo, man, 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:04.160 one day I'm gonna have that executive producer ninth wander 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.200 Like that's gonna be me to see him go from 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.400 that to you know, jay Z. That was amazing to me, 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.960 and I wasn't I couldn't have been happier for him. 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.160 Where the disconnect was was in a lot of people 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.280 in our camp that really felt like we left them behind, 0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.719 you know what I'm saying, and felt that, Okay, well 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.120 the Knife, if you did it with Jay, why didn't 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.080 you do it for me and this person, this person, 0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:29.520 this person, this person, And it's kind of like what 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.239 you were saying, you know, you can't save everybody. And 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.439 so for me, my moment where I kind of felt 0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:38.759 that Jack moment was then when Minstrel Show, when we 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.040 got you know, four and a half mics in the source. 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.360 At the time, the source was still kind of. 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:45.279 Right now, four and a half mice is four and 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:46.719 a half mic, Yeah, yeah, you know, you got four 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.040 and a half mics, and so which was the perfect 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:50.880 five was what you could get, but it was a 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:54.520 really reputable rating. So that was my I guess my 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:59.239 jack moment where I had my uh the girl that 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.120 left the Samantha Samantha, she's the one that didn't go to. 0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.880 Gill Okay where I had my gillion moment and not 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:09.960 necessarily a self sabotaged moment, but just where you know, 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.400 the scene where she was like, yo, I'm good in 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.840 the world. You know, that was kind of when Drake happened, 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.600 because that was when everybody was like, yo, hey, you 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.879 Drake is the dude that you influenced. He big, Drake 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:24.880 was biging me up. Oh take my favorite rapper and 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:28.000 all this shit. And it was just like people were like, yo, man, 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.000 you could come and you could do him, and you 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.320 need to come for Drake. He stole your styliness. And 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:34.399 I was just like, dude, listen, Oh they. 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:37.319 Want you to come fromhim. Oh my god, are you serious? Dude? 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:37.839 Oh? 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:42.800 I thought, see, I know battling, No, I know, battling 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.400 is a thing in hip hop, but I'm always like, 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.520 that's pity that would be I thought like it was 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:51.719 a thing of like work with Drake, it was. It 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:54.080 was work with dra It started as like work with Drake, 0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:55.920 but then there's always that small candure of people that. 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:57.520 Are like, nah, you need to come and we want 0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.480 you to you know, we want you to do it 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:00.520 because you could be the man. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.759 And so my thing was just like, look, man, kind 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.279 of like with that character, I'm good where I am 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:07.319 if I My whole theory is like, look, if you're 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.919 gonna pull a coupe and try to throw over the government, right, Okay, 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:13.440 if you're gonna replace throw that dude out, then the 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.399 government that you put in place needs to be as 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.439 good or better than the government you out did. 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:19.719 Else the people gonna come for your fucking head next, 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:20.279 you know what I'm saying. 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.399 So my thing is like, look, dude, I'm not done 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:26.160 to quote unquote come for uh you know, Drake or whoever, 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:27.840 because I'm not gonna. 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:29.160 Serve his audience the way that he is. 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.000 I'm not about to hop on fifty eleven goddamn remixes 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.680 with the hot drug dealer nigga of the moment do 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:38.880 this and do the audun like and I'm not knocking that, 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.480 but I ain't gonna do that shit. Man at thirty 0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:42.360 six years old, nigga. 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.560 You serious. I really had no clue. 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:49.200 I like, maybe you do a record like Kanye did 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.120 this record with y'all. Yeah, we did a record like 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.040 way back Yeah, I mean, and we may do one 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:53.520 in the future. 0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:55.320 I don't know. You did a record with Drake? We 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:56.319 did we had back in the day. 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.120 We did a record with him like that would be 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.239 back in the I guess it betray your movie. It 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.920 would be the equivalent of we did Sleep on Right 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.800 to Sleep Right, but then once the ship really. 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:10.680 Popped, we didn't, you know, do nothing Post Oranges the. 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:11.440 New Black. 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:16.400 Big temp did he He was the new phone? Who 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:24.440 is phone? What's good? Man? 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:24.920 My fault? 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:28.399 So now that was my moment. Man, I it really 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:29.160 hit a chord with me. 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.399 So for me, I'm just in a place whereas many 0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.440 with with I really related to that character Gillion, because 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:36.160 I think she and I wanted to ask you about 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.359 that man, Because to me, I didn't see it as 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:42.200 sabotaged by her not going I talked I would again. 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.520 I looked at it as a person knowing their own 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.520 limitations and just knowing, like you know what, I know 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:50.919 I could do this, but if I do this, I'm 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.880 gonna suck it up, so let me just not like, 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:55.560 I don't have it in me to do this. 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.239 That was that was my interpretation of it. 0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.200 Or she just didn't want it. She didn't want it. 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:00.000 I think she didn't. 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:00.640 She just didn't want it. 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:02.439 She didn't She felt like it was a sellout moment. 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.719 She said about like she was like compromising. 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.840 Sound good on this, lily Pad, Like I'm good on this, 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:08.120 lily Pad. I'm really straight. 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:09.120 I know you don't like this. 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.839 No, I'm saying it's selling out real. Well, I don't 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.000 think selling out is real. 0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:14.319 Now. 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:17.560 I don't think it's no more. I don't think it exists. 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.880 Oh if y'all could just see no. 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.680 Wait, wait, wait, wait wait, because right now we're on radio, 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:27.080 so no one can see. I've never collectively see. I've 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.640 never collectively seen like all these teeth look at me 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:35.279 like scratching their head. Is selling out real? 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.200 I think it is, y I think it is. 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:40.279 I think it is, But I don't think it. 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.719 I mean, back in the eighties and the nineties, when 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.279 you know, no Cell was this whole big thing real, Yeah, 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.719 when that whole thing was around, it was it was. 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.879 It was a different kind of situation because I don't 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.319 even know why I'm talking to I don't know where I'm. 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:53.480 Going with this. 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.520 No, but no opportunities weren't there the opportunities like ll 0:44:57.800 --> 0:44:59.640 like LL he would say, like, you know, back in 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.440 the day, we would say, yo, fucking doing the movies 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:03.600 and fucking doing this because we never thought it was 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:04.120 possible to. 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.439 But then happened exactly, and then he in the house, 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:11.879 so you know what I mean, Like it's in the house. 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.359 This is all right. Look, no, I don't be out either. 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:18.600 But let's let's take a cat like Miles Davis, who 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:24.480 has constantly made a career out of, uh building a 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:28.680 house and burning it down. Okay, I mean, he's totally 0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:32.200 defined what jazz music is at least four or five times, 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.279 which is impossible, Like some people are lucky to change 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:41.000 music once, let alone five times. But then there was 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.799 a point where, uh, when I was reading his book 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.560 and just studying like a lot of his uh uh 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:51.120 late sixties mid seventies performances, where he you know, turned 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.400 this back to the audience, and you know, he had 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:59.680 this sort of uh wishy washy uh kind of middle 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:05.080 finger attitude towards his audience. And initially, of course, growing up, 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.680 I thought, oh man, that's cool, like you know, like 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.600 you know, he stands for something, he stands for principles. 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.640 But there's a period where I just started reading so 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:19.040 many psychology books and whatever, and then I realized, like. 0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:25.240 Uh, you're scared of rejection. So it's like me before 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:27.759 you can Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm gonna reject you first 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:31.200 before years like eight Mile the fucking Bunny Rabbit Ship. Yeah. 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:35.520 And I don't I don't. I think that that the 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:41.279 idea of I'm not saying that integrity is not real. 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:46.520 But if we were really artists, artists with the Athian 0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.839 or you know, slash, if we were all, we all 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:51.680 be performing free on the streets. 0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:55.120 Like all of us in this room are business people, 0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:56.920 whether we admit it. 0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:01.960 Or no, to be able to get the energy to perform. 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.480 So I think that I don't know, I just I 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:09.440 don't believe in selling out. 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.000 I'm not using that this excuse like okay, well, whoever 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.080 has the next big check, I'm there for it. 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:15.120 Like I. 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:20.279 Okay, I guess I turned down the biggest check of 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:25.200 my life like two weeks ago because. 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:32.640 I didn't believe in what I was being paid to you. 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.600 I guess you got to understand the difference, right, It's 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.880 like there's selling out and cashing in, you know what 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.480 I mean. It's like, I'm not selling out, I'm cashing in. 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:44.160 So it's like to me, cashing in is like, look, 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:46.960 if I'm questlove or if I'm unpaid bill, if I 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.440 got if y'all motherfuckers is willing to give me a 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.200 check to do what it is I already do that 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:52.960 I love doing. 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:54.799 That's you know what I'm saying. 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.680 It's like I'm getting paid for what the fuck I do, 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:00.719 But if you ask me to change up the way 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.840 I do exactly. For instance, for example, like Premiere, like 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:08.280 me and you know, we were talking DJ Premiere legendary 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:11.239 DJ one half gangst all that he had an opportunity. 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:12.880 He was telling me he had an opportunity to do 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:17.480 the Grammys with Janet. This is back in the nineties. 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.839 Yeah together again. Yeah, she had. 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:21.840 He had the chance to perform on it with her. 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:26.240 But they wanted him to act like he was DJing. 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:28.640 It wasn't live. They wanted to pull a fat boy 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:29.560 slim yeah exactly. 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:31.880 They wanted him to be fucking lip DJ in so 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:35.280 she wanted the credibility factor. Yeah, she wanted the credibility, 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.960 but he was like, but she wanted you know, I 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.560 mean it's pop so everything is synchronized to the minute. 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:42.560 And he was trying to tell her like, look, I 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:44.239 can do it live. This is what I do. 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:46.759 I'm not gonna suck up, and she was just like, look, 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:48.560 I can't leave it a chance. So he was walked 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.839 away from the gig. So to me, like I would 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:52.719 I would have did it because you. 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:54.480 Do that. 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:55.839 I'll do it now. 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.600 I've done soul training, I've done won't you. But I think, 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:05.560 but I think with you man on next week's show. 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.160 I think with you man, you like twenty thirty years 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.160 in the game, so your creat is solidified. 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:13.439 See. 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:18.040 But that's that's overthinking the situation. And that's the number 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:22.960 one thing that self saboteurs do. They overthink. If you 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:28.160 knew the amount of hours I've wound up in the 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:32.319 hospital myself trying to take care of other saboteurs. 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.800 No, I'm no, not not bullshitting you. The amount of 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:38.760 talking them off the lege. 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.520 I say, my number one quote for if there was 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.960 some sort of like tally of all a mere quotes 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:47.480 for the year. 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:51.000 I'm certain that, dude, you're overthinking it. 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.400 I have to say that so many times to people 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:58.560 just to get them down to the first floor again, 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:02.320 because once they it inside their head, it's no escape 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:05.440 because the thing is okay, let's let's take premium situation. 0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:06.480 Now. 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:09.319 Who would be the judge and a jury that would say, 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:16.040 oh my yo, Bill Premiere, it's not DJing Live. But again, 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:21.280 I'm but this is ninety this is no he worked. 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:22.920 He did that Janet remix? 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.759 Uh was it. 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:28.239 Right? 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:28.560 Was it? 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:31.400 Ticket? No? No, no, no, no, this is before. I 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.040 don't want to I don't want to be history or whatever. 0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.640 It was, like, okay, the earlier, the earlier Janet, the 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:41.040 even more I would have been like, oh, finally, like 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:42.400 we made it. 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.080 Like I would have cheered that one of us got in, 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.120 you know, not like oh. 0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:54.480 He's selling out because he's not plugged in, like it's 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:56.560 it's overthinking. 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:57.759 It record so he already made it. 0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:00.279 But no, no, no, even I'm just saying that whatever 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.759 the situation, if he produced her, didn't produce her, or whatever, 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:07.120 the whole the whole point of it was that she 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.880 wanted I mean, okay, she was drinking from his milkshake. 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:15.799 She wanted some of that street cred and I drink 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:23.360 your milkshake. Yeah, I'm just a straw yo, wait it up. 0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:29.400 Side note, side note, I cannot wait. I cannot wait 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.239 till bunb is a guest on this show. So I 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.799 can see these two out criteria and collection each other 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:39.920 of movie trivia. Yeah, I think that's overthinking it. 0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:47.920 And a lot of our are artists are artists, they 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:51.319 kind of just they. But you gotta have a line though, 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:53.600 I mean, I think like because everyone has a code. Yeah, 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:54.600 you gotta have a cold man. 0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:57.520 And so my thing is just like again, cashing out 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:59.680 versus cashing in versus selling out to me is only 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:02.520 a out move if you do something that is against 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.560 your principles. You know what I'm saying. That's against your 0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:08.759 core principles, whatever they may be. You know what I'm saying. 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.560 So you know I will not betray my heart to 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:13.560 quote you know a famous. 0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:17.120 You know what I mean, made this damn room. Oh 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:17.759 what that is? 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.080 It's quashed up Suprema on Pandora And we're here with 0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:29.280 our guest, comedian Mike brobiglia Uh talking about his latest 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:31.439 movie don't think twice his amazing movie. 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.120 By the way, can I say the tweet that has. 0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:39.200 Like yes, so right now Mike has discovered Afante's welcome. 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.320 Can you just read like twenty of his KI. A 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:42.960 lot of it is promo because I promote my record. 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.080 Know no, but I like this promo. But I like it. 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.440 My sophomore solo album, No News Is Good News will 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:51.320 drop at the top of twenty seventeen. My workload this 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:53.200 year is too hectic and I want to get it right. 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:55.719 And I was like, oh, that's really nice. He's like 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.440 leveling with his fans and he's like being on I 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.520 don't know, it's like it's anti promotional because you're actually 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.120 opening up and being like, I'm just a person. I'm 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:04.799 trying my best. 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:06.640 Yeah, I gotta keep it real with him. You want 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:07.759 to get in front of you, just go down a 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:12.200 few tweets that just scroll scroll. 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:13.560 I mean I've been chilling lately. 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:15.359 I've been you know, if you'd caught me, like, oh 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:18.959 nine ten took a load when I was really going hard. 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:21.560 Oh man, I'm a change man. I'm covered in the 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:22.239 blood of Jesus. 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.719 Who's like the who's like the Samantha, who's the gillions 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:29.839 character in music? Who's who's like the greatest but never 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:31.040 floaded live? 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:31.440 Right? 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:38.719 Ah, man, you're gonna make me call uh ah, all right, 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:42.880 just just go to my go to my discocks page. 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:49.240 Just go to my discocks page. And let's just assume 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:54.120 that no, let's pick a number and maybe ninety. Of 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:59.200 anyone I've ever worked with, I'll say this, with the 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:04.640 exception of jay Z. Jay Z was probably one of 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:09.200 the rare cats that, like, it was a pleasure to 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:11.560 work with them. That's why I worked with him, not 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.240 because like I saw like, oh a payday or finally 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:16.080 like a way out of this crab barrel. You know, 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:21.480 it's just that, you know the amount of times I've 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:28.560 had to Jedi mind trick someone, like say, I'm working 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.680 on a song with somebody and I feel as though, 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:34.080 you know, a particular like the one is where this 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.120 particular thing is. Like battling over where the one is 0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:40.239 is like one of my main arguments with people. So 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.880 it's to the point where I'll just naturally go to 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:47.920 another count or whatever, just so that they'll, you know, 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.920 they'll contrary and by nature will just go to the 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.040 opposite place until they which is where you want them 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:55.239 to be anyway, exactly exactly. 0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:02.440 With me, I don't want to hear them. Literally. 0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:05.960 My theory is that if the crash symbol and the 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.440 kick go at the same time, that's that's the beginning 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:08.960 of the sentence. 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:11.239 Okay, yeah, all right. Now here's the thing though, I 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:15.000 feel like we kind of tarantinoed you in this situation. 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:19.520 I kind of wanted to build up to this movie, 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.400 but it was so powerful. Yeah, no, man, serious, I 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:24.759 had to talk about it. Yeah, Reglar, I kind of 0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:30.400 want to work backwards because even before don't think twice 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:36.200 sleep walk with me. Yeah, when I saw it, even then, 0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.600 I thought like, oh man, this is awesome my life 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:42.239 story like because you never, at least with hip hop, 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:47.960 especially after nineteen ninety seven and music in general, there's 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:52.200 this dividing line between the winners and the losers, where 0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:53.839 winners are celebrated. 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.920 And the losers are forgotten about or never celebrated. 0:55:56.600 --> 0:56:00.440 To me, it was always good to see the working man, 0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:05.520 the blue collar working man. And you know in that film, 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:07.960 you drive yourself. 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:10.360 Yeah, I drive my mom's station wagon around. 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:15.200 To tell us all the process of driving to your 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:19.880 own gigs the especially tell me about the comedy condo. 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:21.839 Yeah, I can tell you I stayed. 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:25.759 So every comedian stays in the comedy condo. Yeah. 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:29.400 So the comedy condo usually means you'll have a comedy 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:34.319 club in a town and like Nashville, Tennessee, and let's 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:38.040 say and like Zany's Comedy Club of not making up 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:41.600 that name. That's a real club in Nationale. It's pretty good. 0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:45.480 It's a really good club actually, And then the owner 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:48.160 will be like, well, it's less expensive. If you can 0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:52.960 even imagine this, it's less expensive to buy a condo 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:56.399 to have all the comedians stay in that condo. Then 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:58.759 it would be to put them up in hotels. So 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:00.480 there'll be the club and then to be like the 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:04.760 comedy condo. And it's like it's always terrible. It's always 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:06.160 like them some war stories. 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:09.880 Man, No, just like you just end up in I 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:14.440 don't know, like like sheets are horrible or yeah, you know, 0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:17.560 it's like yeah show and is it you by yourself 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:17.920 or like. 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:20.240 No, you're with like two other comics usually, so you're 0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:23.160 with like the the Nature Act or the in the 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:27.720 MC and then uh yeah, I mean some of them, 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:29.360 you know, some of them, You don't, I don't know, 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:32.200 like I. What happened was is I was working the 0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:35.520 door at the DC Improv when I was in college. 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:38.600 That's sort of how I broke in. And the first 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:41.520 guy I ever opened for was Chappelle. Actually, Okay, and. 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:44.120 So it's really true that he was fourteen. 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:47.880 Fifteen, Yeah, so he was he was headlining that club. 0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:51.680 I was nineteen. He was like twenty three, twenty four. 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:53.240 Half Baked was about to come out. 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:53.760 Okay. 0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:56.440 What was fascinating about meeting Chappelle when he was that 0:57:56.560 --> 0:58:00.520 young is that he was and I I learned this 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:03.040 trick from him because I do it now, Like people 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:05.040 come up to me now and they're like, hey, I 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:06.800 know you're from blah blah blah, and I'm like, I 0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:09.000 have a movie out right now. It's called Don't Think Twice. 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:10.840 It's down the Street blah blah blah. Because I remember 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:12.720 saying to Dave Chappelle, like, how do you go to 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:14.120 a stand up? How do you do this? How do 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:16.200 you do this? And he was like he would give me. 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.320 He gave me advice, and then he would be like, 0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:22.200 my movie Half Bake's coming out four weeks and it's 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.160 at the EA Street theater down the street and get 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:25.840 all your friends to go, like there. 0:58:25.880 --> 0:58:26.360 Is you know. 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.040 Chappelle is like, he's like Sam in the movie, but 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:31.680 he's like Jack also, Like, if you think about it, 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:35.720 he's got both of those in him. He's got insane 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:40.360 amounts of integrity. But he also he is he does 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:43.960 makes a fuck lot of money. He's a real businessman. No, 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:46.440 you're just gonna shake your head. 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:49.800 Yeah right, No, I won't say Sam, and I won't 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:50.320 say Jack. 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:55.840 Okay, he's Miles think I won't. Oh, I'm sorry forgive me. 0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:59.680 You're right, Sam, he's like Sam. Right, he's definitely Sam. 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.040 He is Sam because he walked away from all that 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:07.280 money Comedy Central. Yes, but he is like Jack in 0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:12.280 the sense that he's ambitious. He's an ambitious person. You 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:15.200 don't write like nineteen hours of stand up and not 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:16.720 be an ambitious person. 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:23.080 It's just I don't Again, it's the voices I wish 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:26.280 the world knew, Like I was one of those guys 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:29.320 that like and I don't. Lately, I've been on this kick, 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:33.840 like on social media about how important meditation is. Yeah, 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:37.360 and I mean, the only thing I could logically say 0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:42.840 is that you know, if you look at Russell Simmons. 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:48.720 In the eighties looking like a fifty year old, but see. 0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:53.680 Him now in the early yoga the early aughts, still 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:56.760 looking like he might be forty nine fifty and he's 0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:03.800 approaching sixties. I wish everyone really knew the addiction and 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:07.800 the magic of what meditation is and how it can 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:12.840 really truly save your life. You know, there's a group 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:15.000 of people in my life that overthink a lot of 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:16.800 things and. 1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:20.760 Kind of. 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:26.360 You know, it's it's I think it's just the fear 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:31.880 of failure or the fear of fumbling in public, you know. 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:33.920 And I know we live in a kind of a 1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:37.080 social media world and whatever, which everything is documented and 1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:42.080 no one wants to, you know, try the process in 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:46.760 front of the world watching them. But I just feel 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:49.920 as though crucial the way that the way that was 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.080 explained to me in a way that I truly understood 1:00:52.320 --> 1:00:56.760 how meditation works is of course, they use the MacBook 1:00:56.840 --> 1:01:00.000 pro analogy, which they said, okay, so whenever you get 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:02.680 the rainbow wheel that you hate and you have like 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:07.520 ninety five kajillion windows open on Safari, you know, what's 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:08.960 the thing you do and you're like, well, you either 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:13.920 forced quit or you reset, and breathing literally. 1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:16.320 Deep breathing literally. 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:19.120 Slows your mind down and it closes all those windows 1:01:19.800 --> 1:01:24.800 and you make better decisions in life with a clear head, 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:28.640 like where I am right now, my life with spend 1:01:28.920 --> 1:01:29.920 literally with fourteen. 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:32.920 I mean, Boss Bill will tell you what a nightmare 1:01:33.040 --> 1:01:33.400 I am. 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:36.240 I can latch all that too. 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:43.080 This is why a thing called Team of Mirror exists 1:01:43.160 --> 1:01:48.440 because logical thinking is out the window with me, because 1:01:48.920 --> 1:01:52.880 I'm busy trying to figure out, like, you know, which 1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:55.680 Wu Tang song is gonna go with which David Byrns 1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:59.200 song at next month's show, Like like that's the stuff 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:02.200 I'm thinking about. So it's I don't know what two 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:05.080 plus two equals, Like there's some information that I'm gonna lose, 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:09.920 and there's some information I'll retain and use. But I'm 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:16.600 just saying that I really think that meditation is the answer. 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:20.520 But I know it just sounds so cosmic and weird. 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:22.480 And the way that your eyebrows are looking at me, 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:24.360 like I don't know if you're full of shit or not. 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:26.760 No, no, I'm totally agreeing. I just know it's awesome. 1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:29.520 That's my natural face and it's also like it takes 1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:30.960 sometimes to get to a certain age to get to 1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:33.160 that point. But you're totally right, And I know I 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:34.280 don't say that to you often. 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:35.400 But can I ask you a question? Can I ask 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:37.360 you a question about that? Because we were talking before 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:39.960 about about being a businessman versus selling out whatever, I 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:43.360 feel like you you are saying that you're thinking about 1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:45.360 what song is next and whatever, But you're also a 1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:49.120 very like in tune business person. So it's not like 1:02:49.160 --> 1:02:51.680 you're completely vacated the other part of this because you don't. 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:54.600 You're not just like in your creative world where you 1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:57.240 have noes. You're like, I'm not at all. 1:02:57.400 --> 1:03:01.520 Look the further the furthest I go with business. At least, 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:09.160 my business thought is to make sure that I generate 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:13.320 enough business so that my mama don't move into my house. 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:21.280 So wait, Mike, can we start? I wasn't I wasn't 1:03:21.960 --> 1:03:24.800 kidding when I said that we were tarantinoing this. No, No, 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:26.400 I want to start with your comic. 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:28.880 So when I started out, I was working the door 1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:32.080 the comedy DC Improv, and I was opening for guys 1:03:32.120 --> 1:03:35.440 like I said Chappelle and like Brian Reagan Mitch Hebburg, 1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:36.920 David Tael, guys have come in there, you. 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:37.720 Knew Mitch Hepberg. 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:38.920 Yeah, wow. 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:39.640 What was he like? 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:42.120 Man Like, how do you come up with so many? 1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:43.920 Just one? 1:03:44.800 --> 1:03:45.000 How? 1:03:45.240 --> 1:03:48.600 You know what he said? He said, I think that 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:50.800 I think is really wise, which is he thinks that 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:52.920 people undervalue daydreaming. 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:54.160 Mm hmm. 1:03:55.160 --> 1:03:59.120 You know, like just just sitting there just like thinking, 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:01.000 write and step down. 1:04:01.080 --> 1:04:02.440 That's the best life. 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:06.240 Yeah, a lot of times i'd i'd see Mitch somewhere, 1:04:06.320 --> 1:04:09.800 like i'd I remember opening for him once in Dayton, Ohio, 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:14.120 That's where I met him, and then like years later 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:16.640 I run I ran into him like in Montreal at 1:04:16.760 --> 1:04:21.520 festival and he was just like lying backstage before the show, 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:24.800 listening to music, and it's with his headphones and he's 1:04:24.840 --> 1:04:26.880 just like lying on his back and everybody else is 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:30.040 like networking talking to each other, and he was just 1:04:30.160 --> 1:04:32.680 like daydreaming like that's what he was all about. So 1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:34.439 people would be like, where does his thoughts come from? 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:37.920 He's just always kind of lost in his thoughts and 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:39.800 he'd write down, you know, write down everything. 1:04:40.080 --> 1:04:45.120 Wow, I've never heard of a person that does these 1:04:45.280 --> 1:04:49.960 nonsensical just or just these random he was unbelievable all 1:04:50.000 --> 1:04:54.120 over the place, you know, these these thoughts. So literally 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:55.960 he was just write down. 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:58.880 Just oh yeah, he had just like his wife, Lynn 1:04:59.600 --> 1:05:03.640 has just no piles and piles of notebooks and uh. 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:07.920 One of one of the things that isn't even uh 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:11.200 in one of his jokes is in his notebook it says, 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:12.240 do you believe in Gosh? 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:14.280 Really? Wow? 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:17.240 So they did like a posthumous album of his stuff 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:18.520 and they call it do you Believe in Gosh? 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:19.560 Don't? 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:20.240 Isn't that great? 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:21.680 Where is that notebook? 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:21.880 Now? 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:25.120 She had all that up in their cab. They had 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:27.040 a cabin in the woods and I think big Bear 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:30.400 and that's where they lived, and and yes, she has 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:33.440 all that stuff. It's pretty amazing. I when I met 1:05:33.560 --> 1:05:35.600 Mitch and Lynn it was Dayton, Ohio. Was at Jokers 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:39.960 Comedy Club, which doesn't exist anymore, and I was trying 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:42.520 to like socialize with them, and I mean I didn't 1:05:42.520 --> 1:05:44.360 know anybody. I was like, hey, do you guys want 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:46.840 to go bowling? It is the dumbest thing. We were 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:49.240 next to a bowling alley and they were like all right, 1:05:49.400 --> 1:05:52.560 and uh, And I was terrible. I'm nervous I'm like 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:55.240 with my idol, Like I really idolized match, So you 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:57.280 knew him by that point. I was just a fan 1:05:57.360 --> 1:05:59.200 of him, and then I was opening for him. It 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:01.640 was like the most real thing in my life. And 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:05.760 then I was just terrible of rolling like ones and zeros, 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:08.320 and he said the funniest thing, he goes. I thought 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:11.080 when you suggested that we go bowling, that you would 1:06:11.120 --> 1:06:12.240 be good at bowling. 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:21.840 So so you working in DC. That was your introduction 1:06:22.000 --> 1:06:23.920 in comedy life. That was it? That was it. I mean, 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:26.520 you weren't like the class clown at the age of ten, 1:06:26.680 --> 1:06:27.520 or I really wasn't. 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:27.760 I was. 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:30.840 I was always sort of like I always felt out 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:33.080 of place. I always felt like when I when I 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:36.200 would say the things that I was thinking about, people 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:39.080 would just be like, Oh, that's that's what's weird, you know, 1:06:39.280 --> 1:06:44.600 and uh yeah. And then then but I I always 1:06:44.640 --> 1:06:46.800 thought I was funny, you know what I mean, Like 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:48.760 it was one of those things like I think I'm 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:51.720 very funny and they don't get it and that kind 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:54.200 of thing. And then at a certain point I got 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:57.160 on stage in college and and uh and it started 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:59.600 to click. And in Sleepwalk with Me, I have that 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:03.360 joke where I say, I'm my my girlfriend's starting to 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:05.280 get the age where she's thinking about having kids, which 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:08.840 is exciting because we're gonna have to break up. I 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:10.960 don't want to have kids until I'm sure that nothing 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:13.640 else good can happen in my life. And that was 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:14.640 like the first time. 1:07:15.520 --> 1:07:17.600 That's the real that was. 1:07:19.560 --> 1:07:21.560 That was like the first time I made a joke 1:07:21.640 --> 1:07:23.520 on stage. And it's in Sleepwalk with Me. It's like 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:25.160 this as a plot point, but like it was the 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:28.320 first time where I said something was true and it 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:32.920 was a joke at the same time. But that's comedy, right, 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:34.720 and that's ended up being sort of what I what 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:37.360 I do. But like that was the first time. Before that, 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:41.160 I was like making jokes about cookie Monster, and then 1:07:41.520 --> 1:07:43.800 when I started making jokes about myself, it was better. 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:48.240 But I'll say that your particular brand of comedy, especially 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:50.480 at the time where I really became aware of you, 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:56.440 you don't see many comedians on Broadway. Yeah, And so 1:07:57.360 --> 1:08:00.560 initially I was trying to figure out, well, okay, did 1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:02.720 you at least cut your teeth in Midtown? I was 1:08:02.720 --> 1:08:04.640 trying to figure out what side of the fence you 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:07.800 were on? Were you alternative Brooklyn. Were you the varsity 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:11.800 letter of the seller or were you pre Hacksville, of 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:13.560 Midtown or uptown? 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:16.040 I had, I did my tone in all of those 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:17.760 three worlds and the road. 1:08:17.920 --> 1:08:19.000 Can you please all three? 1:08:20.840 --> 1:08:22.960 Yeah? I mean I think ultimately you have to. I 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:25.600 mean it's a complex question, but you just have to 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:29.639 be you, and it has to you have to get 1:08:30.439 --> 1:08:34.320 good enough that what you're doing can kind of work anywhere. 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:37.599 Okay, So the joke has to work with the allt crowd, Yeah, 1:08:38.000 --> 1:08:41.080 with the I'm smarter than you Kyle's crowd of the 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:44.759 village and the hack the drunk hacks that might. 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:48.200 Yeah, although they're the hardest, of course. I mean that's 1:08:48.240 --> 1:08:50.040 why I like that. So I've never I early on, 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:53.879 I would always get these gigs in Jersey because nobody 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:57.120 wanted to do them right, nobody wanted to work in Jersey. 1:08:57.320 --> 1:08:58.600 Sorry Jersey, but. 1:08:59.280 --> 1:09:02.679 No, I was gonna ask you. Now, I know Chris 1:09:02.840 --> 1:09:08.040 Rock's regiment and he chooses Jersey. 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:13.000 Yeah, it's hard, right, And yeah, he listed like four 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:16.960 like before he starts in HBO Special whatever. He told 1:09:16.960 --> 1:09:20.040 me the five clubs that he chooses, like Place down South, 1:09:20.600 --> 1:09:23.760 place where only old people go. He's like, if I 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:27.920 can survive the scrutiny and the heart, Like, so, what 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:31.519 is your exercise process of So. 1:09:31.680 --> 1:09:35.439 Mine would be like I go to the cellar, I 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:38.519 go to the I go to the Brooklyn rooms to 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:42.640 just like feel confident, to feel like, oh this work this. 1:09:42.920 --> 1:09:45.240 Do they embrace you or do they look like you 1:09:45.360 --> 1:09:46.680 might be a suit you might be. 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:49.360 No in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn, they like me because they 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:54.120 know I live in Brooklyn. I have a lot you know, 1:09:54.280 --> 1:09:57.920 there's a lot of local references or whatever. But and 1:09:58.000 --> 1:10:00.280 then and then I go to the cellar, go on 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:04.040 the road to comedy clubs like I'll go to Charlie 1:10:04.080 --> 1:10:08.040 Goodnights and Raleigh or you know, Zanies and Nashville or 1:10:08.120 --> 1:10:10.240 that kind of thing, because ultimately, you want it to 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:12.800 work everywhere, because you want it to be human, you know, 1:10:13.200 --> 1:10:15.880 the bottom line of everything is like hearing you guys 1:10:15.920 --> 1:10:18.000 talk about don't think twice and you're like, I'm Miles 1:10:18.080 --> 1:10:20.960 or I'm Jack or whatever, that's like gold for me. 1:10:21.120 --> 1:10:24.080 For me, that's like the biggest compliment. When you and 1:10:24.120 --> 1:10:26.320 I were texting last night and you're like this person 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:28.200 in my life is like lindsay this person's like this, 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:31.080 It's like, oh my god, it fucking worked, Like I 1:10:31.160 --> 1:10:33.800 can't believe it. It's working because you want it to 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:36.280 be so human that people just see themselves in it. 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:39.000 And that's what takes forever with stand up, that's what 1:10:39.160 --> 1:10:43.000 takes for It takes years with material, you know, to 1:10:43.040 --> 1:10:43.679 get it to that point. 1:10:43.760 --> 1:10:45.280 What takes it so long? Why is it takes so 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:47.920 long to find that instead of I just. 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:49.800 Think because you you have to do this thing of 1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:54.600 simultaneously having people see themselves in it and laugh and 1:10:54.760 --> 1:10:58.080 laughter is just like you either get something, get to laugh, 1:10:58.160 --> 1:10:58.679 or it doesn't. 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:03.719 How's the stand up process versus the movie screenplay process different? 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:08.439 Well, for me, it's similar because I I write a 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:12.000 lot with the screenplay and then I would have friends 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:15.080 over like this, like literally, like like ten of us 1:11:15.120 --> 1:11:18.040 in a room just sitting around would read the screenplay 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:19.960 and I would get and I would ask people for 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:23.360 notes afterwards. And so I did that about ten times 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:23.920 with the movie. 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:27.200 And then uh wait, so you focus groups like with 1:11:27.520 --> 1:11:28.360 ten people in the room. 1:11:28.520 --> 1:11:30.960 Yeah, isn't that the hardest thing in the World's It 1:11:31.040 --> 1:11:34.719 was really painful because afterwards you get assaulted with notes 1:11:34.760 --> 1:11:37.280 and people are just like, you know, Iron Glass, who 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:39.519 was my producer ended up being my producer, was just 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:42.800 like early on it was just like Mike like, it's 1:11:42.880 --> 1:11:45.240 just not a movie, like it just doesn't work. And 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:48.200 I was like, no, it does, and he was like. 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:50.920 I was like, it's like it's like The Big Chill 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:52.760 set in the world of an improv theater. And he 1:11:52.920 --> 1:11:55.000 was like, well, the characters have to be more different 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:57.240 from each other, because at that point the characters were 1:11:57.280 --> 1:12:01.400 too similar and the conflicts weren't there. And yeah, but 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:03.600 but yeah, I mean everything I do is sort of 1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:07.280 I work I put in front of people. 1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:11.479 How long did it take? What, like from screenplay to shooting? 1:12:11.520 --> 1:12:12.600 How long did it take to do? 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:15.240 Took about a year and a half writing it. I 1:12:15.360 --> 1:12:19.080 was in the middle of writing another film called My 1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:22.000 Girlfriend's Boyfriend, which is an adaptation of one of my shows. 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:24.720 Wait, you're going to make that? I might? I might 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:25.920 based on the sketch. 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:30.639 Yeah, yeah, it's true, that's not real. Yeah, it's true 1:12:30.680 --> 1:12:33.960 story the high school one. Yeah yeah, you can play that. 1:12:34.040 --> 1:12:37.000 You can play that track so I don't have to 1:12:37.080 --> 1:12:42.439 repeat it seriously. Yeah, yeah, that's true. The gist of 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:44.040 it I'll tell you the gist of it is, when 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:46.519 I was in high school, I went out with this 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:50.000 girl and she was like and I was. I was 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:52.640 like really into her, and then she was like, I 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:57.400 have another boyfriend, but it's kind of ending and that 1:12:57.520 --> 1:12:59.760 kind of thing. This is going to be fine. And 1:12:59.840 --> 1:13:03.000 then and she invites me to meet her parents and 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:05.439 I go, and I was like, oh, this is gonna 1:13:05.439 --> 1:13:08.439 be my big moment. I drive your parents house and 1:13:08.600 --> 1:13:10.280 we're hanging out, and then this other guy comes over 1:13:10.320 --> 1:13:14.519 and I'm realizing slowly that it's her other boyfriend, and 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:18.000 like it's going okay, you know, I know, I don't 1:13:18.000 --> 1:13:19.200 think so. I think he just thought I was a 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:22.360 friend in retrospect. I don't know for sure, but like 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:23.519 and and. 1:13:27.280 --> 1:13:31.280 That was us, Yeah, like who's in? Why is it 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:32.200 in the room? 1:13:37.320 --> 1:13:37.360 No? 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:43.200 No that I'm sorry, No, that's from that's Abby's the 1:13:43.439 --> 1:13:46.320 character's name in Sleepwalk with Me, which is not her 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:51.400 real name in real life. But uh but but yeah, no, 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:54.920 that was this girl in high school and I was, man, 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:57.439 I yeah, I was just really hung up on her, 1:13:57.520 --> 1:13:59.960 and I wanted to believe it was gonna work. 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:02.040 Well. See the led Zeppelin slogan. 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:04.559 No, No, that's different. That's different. 1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:09.280 Yeah, for some reason, like I've you've jumbled my love. 1:14:12.320 --> 1:14:13.760 But so if. 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:16.519 Comedy, I don't know if that's a cliche, like comedy 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:18.360 being time and tragedy. 1:14:18.560 --> 1:14:21.080 Yeah the other day. The other day I tweeted, comedy 1:14:21.200 --> 1:14:22.600 is tragedy plus fuck it. 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:29.920 So how do you make a joke of you have 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:30.840 an insomnia? 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:31.599 And oh? 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:34.680 Yeah, I mean that was weird. You Yeah, that's a 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:38.120 true story. But you guys do you guys know the story. 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:42.280 I have a sleep disorder where I where I sleepwalk 1:14:42.400 --> 1:14:45.760 and I jumped out of second story window at Yeah, 1:14:46.160 --> 1:14:48.280 I was on the road. This is like probably ten 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:50.600 years ago now. I was at La Quinta in. 1:14:50.760 --> 1:14:52.200 And Walla Walla, Washington. 1:14:53.439 --> 1:14:57.080 Yeah, at Lakina in and uh, and I had a 1:14:57.160 --> 1:14:59.360 dream that there was a guided missile headed towards my 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:02.479 room and I was like, I jumped out of bed. 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:05.840 I was like, there's military personnel in my dream there. 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:08.680 And I was like, what's the plan And they said, uh, 1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:12.320 the missile coordinates are set on you. And so I 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:14.600 decided in my dream, as it turns out it was 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:17.799 in my life as well, to jump out the window. 1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:20.719 So as to detonate outside the window for the sake 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:24.920 of the platoon. So I jumped through the window like 1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:28.200 the Hulk and uh, and I landed on the front lawn. 1:15:28.240 --> 1:15:30.880 I got up and I kept running and I'm slowly 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:34.040 realizing I'm on the front line of Laquina and Walla 1:15:34.080 --> 1:15:37.439 walla Washington in my underwear bleeding. I was like, oh no, 1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:40.120 but I swear to god, I was relieved in that 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:43.439 moment that I hadn't been hit by the MESSI. I 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:47.439 was like, that would have been a disaster. And so yeah, 1:15:47.479 --> 1:15:49.800 it ended up being sort of the baseline of what 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:53.519 what my whole It was a one person show off Broadway, 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:56.080 and then it ended up being my first movie. But yeah, 1:15:56.120 --> 1:15:58.160 and in Responsible, what you're saying, like, how am I 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:00.960 comfortable talking about that for a while, while I wasn't, 1:16:01.040 --> 1:16:03.080 Like for a while, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:06.240 say this people. The first person told oh, that's a 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:08.360 good question. Well, first person, I told us my wife, 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:12.320 who at the time was my girlfriend, and I called 1:16:12.479 --> 1:16:13.560 you know, I called her in the middle of the 1:16:13.680 --> 1:16:16.680 night and I was just like, hey, you're you're not 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:19.280 going to believe this from the hospital, right or no 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:23.040 from it was weirdly from the from the front desk 1:16:23.640 --> 1:16:29.280 of Washington, no one. I was bleeding and everything, and uh, 1:16:29.720 --> 1:16:31.120 you know, I called her and I was like, hey, 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:33.519 this is what happened. And I called my parents and 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:36.000 and I went to the do I went to the hospital. 1:16:36.080 --> 1:16:38.080 I went to check myself in the emergency. I was like, 1:16:38.160 --> 1:16:41.000 I'm the Hulk. I'm the Hulk. I'm the They were like, no, 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:43.559 you're You're Bruce Banner. I was a point taking there. 1:16:44.479 --> 1:16:45.000 And uh. 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:48.880 And yeah, no, So it was, yeah, it was. It 1:16:49.040 --> 1:16:52.000 was a really weird thing to tell people, and I 1:16:52.080 --> 1:16:54.479 didn't really Actually it's funny you should say we were 1:16:54.479 --> 1:16:56.920 talking about Hebburg. Hepburg was one of the first people 1:16:56.960 --> 1:16:57.320 I told. 1:16:57.880 --> 1:16:58.160 It was. 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:01.920 Uh, it was at Caroline's where it was like a 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:04.920 couple of months later, and it was Mitch Heburg and 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:09.040 Lynn Chakraf were there and I just told him what 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:12.000 had happened. And he you know, he has he you know, 1:17:12.080 --> 1:17:15.920 he had a lot of demons obviously, and uh, he 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:18.400 had a you know, he had a lot of issues. 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:20.760 And I think, you know, I think he understood it 1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:22.680 in some way, like I think that there was a 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:24.960 there was a. It was the closest I ever felt 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:26.640 to Mitch was when I explained to him that I 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:28.000 jumped through a second third window. 1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:31.840 So it wasn't like, YO, the craziest last night. 1:17:32.280 --> 1:17:34.560 No, I mean I was really fucked up from it, 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:36.760 because I mean I still am to this day, Like 1:17:36.880 --> 1:17:39.600 I'm still when I go to you know, when I 1:17:39.640 --> 1:17:41.439 go to bed at night, I sleep in a sleeping bag. 1:17:41.439 --> 1:17:44.000 I'm not making this up. I take medication, I sleep 1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:46.560 in a sleeping bag, and for a while there I 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:49.240 was wearing mittens so I couldn't open the sleeping bag. 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:52.960 Yeah, and so so there is nothing like that that 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:55.880 can I guess there's no cure. 1:17:56.200 --> 1:17:58.400 There's no cure. Yes, I mean you could take medication 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:01.720 I take I take Cloud. But but and I go 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:04.600 to my sleep my sleep doctor. But it's uh no, 1:18:04.760 --> 1:18:06.880 there's no cure. There's never gonna I'm gonna have to 1:18:06.920 --> 1:18:08.280 live with this for the rest of my life. 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:10.720 Wait, it might be an intrusive if I asked, when 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:12.360 was the last time you sleep walked? 1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:17.200 No, you're canna ask. It's probably like it happens a 1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:19.160 handful of times a year, so like six times a 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:22.519 year or so. I'll have an incident like I remember 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:24.880 a few years ago. It was like New Year's Eve, 1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:28.400 and I did all the things that trigger it, like 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:30.840 I was eating red meat and I was drinking, and 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:33.120 I was doing I was sleep deprived. We were out 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:37.240 till like five am, and and then I had a 1:18:37.400 --> 1:18:40.120 dream that there was a This is a kind of abstract, 1:18:40.160 --> 1:18:42.639 but that there was a it was like an alien 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:46.360 was in my throat. And when I woke up, I 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:50.080 was trying to gorge myself in the bathroom. I was 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:53.000 trying to like rip like something out of my throat. 1:18:53.439 --> 1:18:56.400 That's when I woke up and I and I had 1:18:56.680 --> 1:18:58.640 I was and I had lost my voice for the 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:02.320 next couple of days, at least the next day or so. Yeah, 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:05.760 it's it's it's not Youah No, it's tough. I mean 1:19:05.800 --> 1:19:08.719 it's it's definitely like one of those things where that's 1:19:08.920 --> 1:19:10.640 my you know, we all have our thing, and it's 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:13.599 like that's my thing. I mean that it's pretty embarrassing 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:15.920 for me, but I kind of broke through the like 1:19:17.160 --> 1:19:19.840 uncomfortability of discussing it and now I'm like, yeah, that's 1:19:19.920 --> 1:19:21.160 just what I that's what I am. 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:23.280 But you say, like you do know at least kind 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:25.280 of it's what will trigger it, So is there. 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:27.599 Yeah, I mean you you know, there's this great book 1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:29.800 if anyone has a sleep just or if anyone has 1:19:29.840 --> 1:19:31.840 bad sleep or whatever. This is a great book called 1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:35.240 The Promise of Sleep. And you know they basically say 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:37.479 a few hours before bed, turn off your phone, turn 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:41.880 off the internet, don't eat big meals, you know, like 1:19:41.960 --> 1:19:44.639 that kind of thing, don't watch TV news and of course, 1:19:44.720 --> 1:19:50.280 like that's all yeah, no, and so that's you know, 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:52.120 you try not to do that stuff. So it has 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:55.679 to be totally silent, that's yeah, And that's that's the hope. 1:19:55.760 --> 1:19:55.920 Yeah. 1:19:56.080 --> 1:19:59.840 Sometimes I listen to like meditation podcasts and things like that. 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:01.960 But what about like when you have a wild night 1:20:02.000 --> 1:20:03.800 with your wife, Like, is she just puts you to sleep, 1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:04.240 what do you do? 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:09.280 Like, do you are automatically She'll no, no, She'll she'll 1:20:09.439 --> 1:20:13.760 like she'll like uh A lot of times she'll be 1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:16.800 she'll like wake me up and be like, hey, you 1:20:16.800 --> 1:20:19.240 should take your pill and that can and she'll stick 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:24.120 me in my sleeping bag. She literally said, my wife 1:20:24.200 --> 1:20:26.640 calls it my pod. She'll be like she got she 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:29.840 calls me, she goes me mo and it's Mike, uh 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:34.439 not Jim. But uh, she'll go, she'll go, she'll go, Mo, 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:36.519 it's time to get in your pod and she'll stick 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:41.080 me in. It's yeah, it's uh wow, it's pretty embarrassing 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:43.840 if she wants she got to unzip you zip me? 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:44.240 Yeah? 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:46.680 Yeah, why it's embarrassing. 1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:49.720 That's fascinating. 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:53.120 I don't know why you why you'd be embarrassed. I'm 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:55.439 really sleeping back part. That's embarrassing. 1:20:55.720 --> 1:20:57.200 Sleep. 1:20:57.800 --> 1:20:58.000 Yeah. 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:00.240 It's just one of those things where I all that 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:03.760 people think I was crazy. You know, people think like, oh, 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:06.720 this guy's just not all there. I mean, it's the 1:21:06.840 --> 1:21:08.840 kind of thing that in the eighteen hundreds, they'd put 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:11.599 you in the hospital and they really throw away the key, 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:14.160 you know what I mean. Like it's if you jumped. 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:18.120 Think about that another era, you jump through a second 1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:19.840 story window picture. 1:21:20.600 --> 1:21:21.400 Yeah, I'm amazing. 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:27.800 This guy's crazy. I mer I'm a phenomenal athlete. Look 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:30.760 at me, people, I mean people aren't looking at me 1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:34.639 at home. So you can google image man, and you're. 1:21:35.120 --> 1:21:38.720 R B I G L I A B I R G. 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:42.040 You are a Google nightmare. I didn't realize the R 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:45.080 was the third letter of your last name. So for 1:21:45.160 --> 1:21:49.240 the longest I was looking up Oh God, like, yeah 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:51.599 it was, it was. It took me time. 1:21:56.439 --> 1:22:00.920 This is a quest Love Supreme on Pandora here with 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:06.479 the crew. So, Mike, what is what is your okay? 1:22:06.520 --> 1:22:10.759 I hate to ask this question because I also. 1:22:10.760 --> 1:22:13.320 Asked lim Manuel this question as well. 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:16.679 Any kind of rolled his eyes in the air slightly irked. 1:22:18.280 --> 1:22:22.640 But have you started working on your next project? I 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:28.759 only if if this becomes so gargantuan that it becomes 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:32.720 a burden that you know, you could run the risk 1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:36.000 of writers black or whatever. So are you immediately pushing 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:37.040 for the next project? 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:41.439 I have like five well, I have like the three 1:22:41.600 --> 1:22:43.760 or four movie ideas that are kicking around in my 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:46.080 head right now, and I like to kind of let 1:22:46.160 --> 1:22:49.560 them fight with each other, like like I don't I 1:22:49.600 --> 1:22:51.760 don't rush to write one of them. I just let 1:22:51.800 --> 1:22:54.080 them kind of play around in my head and then 1:22:54.120 --> 1:22:57.160 if one of them feels strong enough, then then that's 1:22:57.160 --> 1:22:59.800 when I'm gonna write it. But in the meantime, I'm 1:22:59.880 --> 1:23:02.720 just trying to live, you know, and you know, be 1:23:02.840 --> 1:23:05.920 a I have a fifteen month old daughter, and I'm 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:07.360 just trying to hang out with my wife and my 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:10.880 daughter and regret live thanks, just trying to live a bit. 1:23:11.000 --> 1:23:11.160 You know. 1:23:11.360 --> 1:23:13.640 It's I feel like I've been I've been kind of 1:23:13.760 --> 1:23:17.640 hustling for like fifteen years, sixteen years, and I'm trying to. 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:19.880 Like you're trying to take a break now. 1:23:20.120 --> 1:23:22.360 Yeah, it's an awesome looking hustled up. 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:23.200 But wait, it's. 1:23:25.800 --> 1:23:28.920 Well, it's weird only because like I feel like, a 1:23:29.160 --> 1:23:34.720 you're about to ride to such an arrival place, like now's. 1:23:34.479 --> 1:23:35.640 Not the time to not. 1:23:35.880 --> 1:23:38.000 I think he's I think it well because I had 1:23:38.000 --> 1:23:43.679 a conversation about this with uha unpaid Bill uh Craig 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:47.720 uh Base Carter Carter, Homie Carter, who's going to ride us? 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:48.880 From how I met your mother? 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:51.320 Me and and were talking earlier, and we had a 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:53.800 conversation that was almost exactly what you're saying, Mike, in 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:55.920 the sense that once you get to this point in 1:23:56.000 --> 1:23:57.080 your career, I think. 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:59.559 In age rather particularly when you have a kid, yeah, 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:02.519 you work smarter, not harder. 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:02.760 Yeah. 1:24:02.760 --> 1:24:03.680 I think that's what I'm trying to do. 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:06.599 Yeah, you gotta kind of read you know what I'm saying. 1:24:06.640 --> 1:24:09.640 Like the days of me staying up all night and 1:24:10.000 --> 1:24:13.800 just working, you know, twelve sixteen eighteen hours straight in 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:14.320 the studio. 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:16.240 It's like, dude, I fuck that. 1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:18.320 Yeah, I can't do that work. I'm the same exact 1:24:18.400 --> 1:24:19.920 way I work. 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:21.840 And then I'm going to bed because it's like I 1:24:21.920 --> 1:24:23.639 got to be at carpool at three thirty tomorrow. 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:26.280 Bro, Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like, I fuck it. 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:28.840 This should still be here when I you look confused like. 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:33.800 This, chill, what's just this? 1:24:34.400 --> 1:24:35.960 But Mike, are you cool with that? Like? Are you 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:37.479 cool with where you are right now? 1:24:37.600 --> 1:24:37.840 I think? 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:39.200 I mean it's kind of dope to look like I said, 1:24:39.240 --> 1:24:41.000 look at your IMD page and see that you've been 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:42.600 in train Wreck, you got Orange and New Black, you 1:24:42.640 --> 1:24:43.519 got your own projects. 1:24:43.560 --> 1:24:45.120 Are you cool with that? Or do you want to 1:24:45.160 --> 1:24:47.960 be like, you know, recognizable on the streets and everybody? 1:24:48.040 --> 1:24:51.360 No, No, it's weird. I I am cool with it. 1:24:51.760 --> 1:24:54.599 I when I was part of the reason I feel 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:56.080 like I was able to write the movie was in 1:24:56.160 --> 1:24:59.679 my twenties. I feel like I wanted this one type 1:24:59.680 --> 1:25:01.439 of six sas and it's like what me and all 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:04.160 my buddies wanted the same fucking thing, Like we want 1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:06.280 to like write for Conan or SNL or this or 1:25:06.360 --> 1:25:08.040 that or whatever, and then you get to be your 1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:09.840 thirties and you start to be like, no, no, that 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:12.639 that's not what success is. Success is like any number 1:25:12.680 --> 1:25:15.560 of things on a spectrum, and that it's personal to you. 1:25:16.360 --> 1:25:18.560 And so I'm just starting to understand, like, no, no, 1:25:18.800 --> 1:25:21.400 I'm my own thing, and I don't need to be 1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:24.040 like you're saying, like recognizing the street and all that 1:25:24.120 --> 1:25:26.360 kind of stuff, which I think in my twenties I craved, 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:28.000 surely because I'm single. 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:33.240 So in your head and the twenty in your twenties, 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.600 writing for Conan would have been the Pinaffs. 1:25:35.200 --> 1:25:38.360 It would have Yeah, it would have been the ultimate thing. 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:41.040 And but do you think it's more of a satiable 1:25:41.120 --> 1:25:44.040 thing because I've had that thing where it's just like, yo, man, 1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:46.920 if I just get one Grammy, that's all I want. 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:51.840 Yeah, I want, And then it happens and then you're like, ah, 1:25:52.760 --> 1:25:54.360 if we could just come home with like. 1:25:55.960 --> 1:26:00.439 Five thousand dollars, that's all. What Wait? If I lived 1:26:00.479 --> 1:26:02.840 a life where like I could just get four pairs 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:06.479 of Nikes every month, that's all I want, And then 1:26:06.560 --> 1:26:08.960 it was like, Okay, a five bedroomhouse, and I swear 1:26:09.040 --> 1:26:10.040 god that no more, that's all. 1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:13.000 What Well, the craziest thing I think is it just well, 1:26:13.800 --> 1:26:15.800 I find that that's what I like about New York 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:19.160 City is less like that than Los Angeles. I think, 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:22.040 in my opinion, when you go to Los Angeles, I 1:26:22.120 --> 1:26:24.360 feel like you see a lot of people who they 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:26.960 got into it for the right reasons, and then they 1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:31.040 start to take money gigs just because they're around. And 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:34.400 you know, there's money all around in Hollywood, and I 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:39.080 feel like my goal is just to continue, like I think, 1:26:39.360 --> 1:26:41.439 don't think twice is better than Sleepwalk with Me. I 1:26:41.520 --> 1:26:43.519 hope my third movie is better than my second movie. 1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:46.000 I hope I can make about ten in my life 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:48.439 and then that'll be it for me, you know what 1:26:48.479 --> 1:26:50.960 I mean, likee' that's all I want to do. 1:26:51.680 --> 1:26:53.880 So you see an end game, you see a oh 1:26:53.920 --> 1:26:54.920 I can walk away from this. 1:26:55.840 --> 1:26:58.920 Yeah, I think about ten movies to get back to Tarantino. 1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:02.280 I mean Tarantino is like that's what he said, that's 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:02.800 what he said. 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:06.200 Yeah, I mean even on a hip hop right. You 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:10.080 know Hank Shockley, who is the main producer of Enemy, 1:27:11.040 --> 1:27:11.719 I'm talking. 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:12.080 For the people. 1:27:13.760 --> 1:27:17.800 I'm still I wasn't correcting you I'm still getting over 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:21.400 the chill of stopping one well hit To that point, 1:27:21.760 --> 1:27:25.160 Hank Shockley always said that bands after three records. 1:27:24.880 --> 1:27:27.200 They need to just be like fuck it. He was, 1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:30.559 and I mean and and to be fair, if. 1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:32.639 You look at a lot of bands like their first three, 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:35.800 not that they didn't make anything great after that, but 1:27:36.600 --> 1:27:39.800 I mean, look at Public Enemy, look at Outcast, look at. 1:27:40.640 --> 1:27:43.200 But the thing is, we didn't start popping to our 1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:47.479 fourth record. Well, y'all didn't start popping. Popping is different. 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:50.000 Y'all didn't pop into y'all four. And again y'all were 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:51.559 one of the ones. Like I mean, I bought all 1:27:51.640 --> 1:27:55.240 y'all records. But even still, y'all got the opportunity to 1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:58.200 make that record. Y'all came along at a time where 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:02.760 you know, well, y'all particular situation, you were given that 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:05.839 space to get to record three, four or five. Whereas 1:28:07.040 --> 1:28:10.639 now you know what I'm saying, Uh, you know, particularly 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:12.600 black artists, you're not getting that many chances at that 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:14.320 without a home run. 1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:18.240 It's just stopping. 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:26.760 This is from if this from a dude that took 1:28:26.840 --> 1:28:35.000 his first vacation recently and to not work for five days, 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:39.400 it wasn't killing me as bad as I you know, 1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:42.280 didn't think it was going to kill me, like because 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:44.560 normally when I tried to do that, okay, I'm not 1:28:44.640 --> 1:28:46.560 going to work today, whatever. And I just feel like 1:28:47.840 --> 1:28:50.800 like something's happening, someone's getting the advantage that. 1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:55.920 You know, do you do you want kids in a wife? 1:28:55.960 --> 1:28:56.000 Like? 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:58.240 Do you want to be married with kids? At some point? 1:28:58.360 --> 1:28:58.760 I want? 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:02.400 But nah, that changes things, dude, I think you relate 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:04.120 to a lot of what like what Mike is like 1:29:04.240 --> 1:29:07.960 just kids. It just that it changes everything. 1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:10.960 Man, if you have a conscious, If you have a conscious, 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:17.120 it changes things. I know some ambitious people that put 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:22.880 their family second. I can see that. 1:29:23.160 --> 1:29:25.960 I don't think that I could do that. But I'm 1:29:26.000 --> 1:29:30.760 also a person that doesn't say why I never do that. 1:29:31.080 --> 1:29:32.840 You won't do that because you waited this long. Those 1:29:32.880 --> 1:29:34.960 other people started early and they don't appreciate it. You'll 1:29:34.960 --> 1:29:35.680 appreciate it more. 1:29:35.840 --> 1:29:36.280 I'm sorry. 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:38.840 Just now, that's that's a bad point. I mean because 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:40.920 right now, I mean I had my boys, John, I'm 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:43.519 from the South. We you know, we start early, so 1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:46.680 you know it was you know, not seriously for real. 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:52.120 I mean my boys are fifteen and ten. Yeah, yeah, no, 1:29:52.240 --> 1:29:52.840 we start everything. 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:54.560 I mean, it's the country. What the fuck else we 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:58.400 gonna do with cook out and not pull out. 1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:04.439 Jesus Like, that's just that's just what you do. But 1:30:04.920 --> 1:30:09.080 but no, like a fight stop? Did you just coin 1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:12.080 like a I don't even know what the like? 1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:13.160 Really? 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:15.560 I guess does that count as an idiom or I 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:17.599 don't know. I just can. 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:21.280 Mike should tweet that. 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:24.639 To end my career. 1:30:27.880 --> 1:30:29.599 But nah, man, I hear what you're saying on Mike. 1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:32.080 I mean, I think you know, particularly when you get 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:35.599 to that, because it's not from what I heard you say, 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:37.880 It's like, it's not like therapy and ship now what 1:30:38.000 --> 1:30:41.200 I heard you say, it's not that it's necessarily stopping. 1:30:41.320 --> 1:30:43.439 I think it's just necessarily just getting to that point 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:47.960 where you realize, like, okay, I've done Once you get 1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:50.320 to a point where you realize I've expressed myself to 1:30:50.479 --> 1:30:52.960 the on the highest level that I can, whether it's 1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:56.280 a movie, whether it's a radio show, whether it's a 1:30:56.280 --> 1:30:56.800 pot whatever. 1:30:56.840 --> 1:30:58.920 If I've done that on the highest level. 1:30:58.880 --> 1:31:05.519 Right then, which leads back to our earlier conversation of 1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:10.519 listening to those voices in your head. Now what I'm 1:31:10.600 --> 1:31:16.200 just saying, is if you think that there's a limit, 1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:20.519 Like okay, now, logistically speaking, now, if we're. 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:20.960 Talking to. 1:31:24.439 --> 1:31:29.800 Twenty year old Amir Thompson busking on the corners of 1:31:29.880 --> 1:31:33.720 South Street in Philadelphia. Now, if someone came up to 1:31:33.840 --> 1:31:39.519 me and said, check it all right, Like it's my 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:42.840 version of Jacob Marley that says, you know, okay, now 1:31:42.880 --> 1:31:47.000 here's the deal. You're twenty now, and you know I'm 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.639 actively in hip hop. Now. 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:53.320 Usually quote it's supposed to go down at least in 1:31:54.720 --> 1:31:58.120 like two years, that's when you get your moment in time. Now, 1:31:58.160 --> 1:31:59.320 if that voice told me. 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:05.120 You're gonna get your moment and whatever the quote your 1:32:05.200 --> 1:32:07.680 moment is is relative. I don't mean like you know, 1:32:07.920 --> 1:32:10.840 just no I got to poor Champagne on people or whatever. 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:13.640 But if someone would have told me. 1:32:15.360 --> 1:32:20.400 That twenty five years from now, when you're forty five, 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:25.559 it's gonna be on and popping, but till then, it's 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:28.840 gonna be the slowest, most tortuous. 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:30.680 Ride of your life. Like do you think do you 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:33.880 aint Biggie would have stuck over? Like if someone told 1:32:33.920 --> 1:32:34.920 Biggie all right, all right. 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:38.800 Christopher Wallace at nineteen, it's just not really gonna happen 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:40.439 for you till you're like forty three. 1:32:41.720 --> 1:32:43.479 Do you think he would have been like he maybe 1:32:43.560 --> 1:32:45.240 he would have stuck around. I mean, I don't know, 1:32:45.439 --> 1:32:47.720 but I mean, but that's like it for everybody, though, 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:49.360 I think, I mean, if you really look at it, 1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:52.000 you know, in terms of but that's the thing. There's 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:53.680 an and I can kind of back it up with 1:32:53.800 --> 1:32:56.960 science a little bit pseudo whatever. But there was an 1:32:57.120 --> 1:33:01.040 article of Red while back they talk about by how 1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:06.240 creative people why most of their creative peaks happened in 1:33:06.400 --> 1:33:08.640 like your late thirties, you know what I'm saying, Like 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:10.559 your late thirties, early forties. 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:13.120 That's really what you get to your money making years. 1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:16.400 And it's something to do with that's when both sides 1:33:16.439 --> 1:33:19.320 of your brain kind of learned to talk to each other. 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:22.880 So it's like you learned how to merge the creative 1:33:23.240 --> 1:33:26.320 and the business, and you kind of what you're saying, 1:33:26.320 --> 1:33:27.920 you kind of get out of your head a little more, 1:33:28.200 --> 1:33:31.200 but you understand how to make those two sides coexist. 1:33:31.439 --> 1:33:34.439 So that's why people have their creative breakthroughs. So I mean, 1:33:34.479 --> 1:33:36.320 so for somebody like Mike, I mean, you know, you 1:33:36.439 --> 1:33:38.640 were just the comedy seller guy. I mean like, did 1:33:38.720 --> 1:33:41.400 you ever think, like, man, I'm gonna make a fucking movie. 1:33:41.479 --> 1:33:42.840 I mean, was that you know? 1:33:42.920 --> 1:33:44.960 I always thought that was gonna happen faster like am 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:47.280 you're saying. I always thought like when I was like 1:33:47.360 --> 1:33:49.880 twenty two, I was like, I'll make my first movie 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:53.720 at twenty four. And then no, it's like when I 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:55.519 was thirty two. It's like, we know, it's like literally 1:33:55.600 --> 1:33:57.519 ten years longer than I thought it was gonna be. 1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:01.400 Okay, now I'm just singing that in your thirty eight 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:05.479 Now No, no, I don't mean uh posture are I 1:34:05.560 --> 1:34:09.479 mean in your in your eight movie plan? 1:34:09.880 --> 1:34:12.559 Yeah, in your eight movie ten movie plan, eight more movies. 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:17.160 Okay, yeah, in your ten movie plan. What if movie 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:21.680 number seven becomes your piece of resistance? What if you 1:34:22.080 --> 1:34:23.120 went Star Wars? 1:34:23.880 --> 1:34:25.840 Yeah, drop the mic and lave you mean, well, no, 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:28.559 I'm just saying that, what if it enables you to. 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:31.760 Start an empire? Oh? 1:34:31.840 --> 1:34:34.559 I see what you're saying, like like Apatow or something 1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:39.280 where like yeah, what year old virgin kind of thing, 1:34:39.680 --> 1:34:41.479 and then all of a sudden I could branch out 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:45.400 and make verbiglia films that their stamp on a bunch 1:34:45.439 --> 1:34:46.000 of different. 1:34:46.040 --> 1:34:50.920 Positive that Larry Sanders era Appatow didn't even think that 1:34:51.160 --> 1:34:55.160 he would be the comedy go to god he is 1:34:55.280 --> 1:34:55.720 right now. 1:34:56.600 --> 1:34:59.120 No, I don't think he probably, but I think it takes. 1:34:58.960 --> 1:35:00.679 That time, no, man, because you're you gotta think about 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:03.040 it like your now you were saying that twenty two 1:35:03.160 --> 1:35:05.439 year old guy, right. I think sometimes we have to 1:35:05.560 --> 1:35:07.320 grow in two as an arts. You have to give 1:35:07.320 --> 1:35:10.840 your times, give yourself space to grow into that so 1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:13.920 you're ready for it. So if you were that guy 1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:16.439 at twenty two beating on buckets and they gave you 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:19.000 the Tonight show, you would have probably would have fucked 1:35:19.040 --> 1:35:19.439 it up, you. 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:21.280 Know what I'm saying, because you weren't ready for that 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:23.680 at that Nobody ready, No one is ready for that. 1:35:23.840 --> 1:35:27.160 Like I mean you you don't have no your brain 1:35:27.360 --> 1:35:30.639 is not even fully formed to like calculate risk and shit, 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:33.040 you know what I'm saying, Like it's not even you're 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:36.519 not ready for it. I never I never desired the show. 1:35:37.080 --> 1:35:39.200 It wasn't a dream like where like Dox Everson's on 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:43.840 the wall like to be that dude, but like I 1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:50.000 take it as it comes. But if I were when 1:35:50.040 --> 1:35:56.040 I was thirty eight. Okay, two thousand and nine, I 1:35:56.160 --> 1:36:00.240 have no shame in my safeness and in my older 1:36:00.320 --> 1:36:03.880 statesman whatever. I might get a little ert if you know, 1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:09.760 millennial calls me og. But sir, are you og yet? 1:36:09.960 --> 1:36:12.479 I'm certainly an og? No, but I mean has like 1:36:13.040 --> 1:36:15.040 like Cuddy called you og yet? 1:36:15.040 --> 1:36:15.120 Oh? 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:17.760 Yeah, like I've been called og yold up og. I 1:36:17.840 --> 1:36:19.120 used to listen to you in middle school. 1:36:19.920 --> 1:36:22.600 Oh I get that now, Really, I get people. I 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:24.720 keep on my show saying I listened to you in 1:36:24.880 --> 1:36:25.479 middle school. 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:26.200 Wow. 1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:27.280 Yeah, it's crazy. 1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:29.320 They don't call you og. 1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:32.680 Nobody calls me. Nobody would ever call me og in 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:33.639 any context. 1:36:34.040 --> 1:36:40.880 Let me keep retweeting you wait a week? Well, yeah, 1:36:41.160 --> 1:36:43.960 I'm just saying that in two thousand and eight, two 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:47.640 thousand and nine. I you know, I don't know. I 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:51.800 just feel like to say what your plans are? 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:58.240 I feel like that's desire, not planned, because if you 1:36:58.360 --> 1:37:03.000 do become an appetitph or have an opportunity to become 1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:07.000 or be greater than that, to become Spielberg or greater. 1:37:08.320 --> 1:37:13.080 I would think that you that might be a sam 1:37:13.240 --> 1:37:14.000 zone that you're in. 1:37:15.560 --> 1:37:18.639 If you walk away for it for any other reason, 1:37:19.000 --> 1:37:23.400 then you absolutely must bond with your kids. But even then, 1:37:23.520 --> 1:37:26.479 like Spielberg has kids and a family and that certain 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:29.280 thing is able to juggle it. So I'm saying that 1:37:29.479 --> 1:37:30.160 I don't know if you. 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:32.640 See, but I. 1:37:32.760 --> 1:37:36.760 Relate most to Sam in the movie. Like I, when 1:37:36.800 --> 1:37:38.840 I look at Sam, I'm like, Oh, that's what That's 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:42.439 what I I wish I was. I wish I was 1:37:42.479 --> 1:37:46.519 someone who had complete integrity and didn't care about all that. 1:37:47.840 --> 1:37:52.479 I didn't see her. I didn't see it as well. Again, 1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:54.720 I didn't see it as integrity like she was just 1:37:55.560 --> 1:37:56.559 so she was scared. 1:37:56.640 --> 1:37:57.800 Yeah, I thought she was checking out. 1:37:58.200 --> 1:37:58.920 At first she was. 1:37:58.920 --> 1:38:01.040 Scared, but then when she broke down, she was not scared. 1:38:01.120 --> 1:38:02.720 She explained that, I really don't want to do that. 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:04.040 I really don't want to be that. I don't want 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:04.719 to be on that shut. 1:38:06.400 --> 1:38:07.840 I still think there might have been some fear that 1:38:08.040 --> 1:38:10.800 in the beginning when I'm talking about when I think, yeah, 1:38:11.400 --> 1:38:12.280 it's all fear. 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:14.160 Fear of yeah world, fear of maybe getting to that 1:38:14.200 --> 1:38:15.519 point where you think you might be selling them. 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:20.040 Okay, So one another scene that that that that that 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:24.240 Sam reminded me of. So where's the line, right, so Louis. 1:38:24.439 --> 1:38:26.200 You know, I don't know if you watch Louis, just 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:30.840 the scene where Louie is in his uh it' see 1:38:30.960 --> 1:38:32.960 like season four where he goes to his agent he 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:36.120 has the he has the opportunity to host letterst level 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:39.000 and his agent just sits him down, and it's like, look, dude, 1:38:39.040 --> 1:38:40.960 this is what it is. You make eighty thousand dollars 1:38:40.960 --> 1:38:44.280 a year your stand up comic. You know, shit is 1:38:44.320 --> 1:38:46.000 not going to get any better than this. If you 1:38:46.080 --> 1:38:49.320 were if you were waiting for that moment. This is 1:38:49.400 --> 1:38:51.920 that moment right here, and if you don't take it, 1:38:52.479 --> 1:38:54.559 you're done forever, you know what I mean. Just kind 1:38:54.600 --> 1:38:56.679 of just that you know, that nut up or shut 1:38:56.760 --> 1:39:00.080 up kind of moment, right, and so he on. 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:04.880 People just got really excited anytime I was keeping a list, 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:11.639 any time I thought it was put up up where 1:39:11.640 --> 1:39:13.960 I come from, that's what it is. But we're from 1:39:14.040 --> 1:39:18.400 different places. Like just like a little he's watching a 1:39:18.479 --> 1:39:21.800 lot of times the Road and you took that one 1:39:21.880 --> 1:39:23.280 and I took that one. 1:39:23.479 --> 1:39:24.160 Yeah, I got it. 1:39:24.240 --> 1:39:28.040 The past diverged. But but nah, so where is that? 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:29.519 As an artist? 1:39:29.600 --> 1:39:31.519 For you might like, so, where where is that moment 1:39:31.600 --> 1:39:36.719 because you could say again where I'm just trying to understand, 1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:40.520 how can you we say that the person is sabotaging 1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:43.040 when again, it just may be a thing where you 1:39:43.160 --> 1:39:46.320 just say, look, I know my limitations, you know what 1:39:46.360 --> 1:39:48.120 I'm saying, and well, it's. 1:39:48.040 --> 1:39:52.200 Just it's just what you I think. You ultimately have 1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:54.560 to do what you love and not what you like. 1:39:55.920 --> 1:39:59.160 So it's like people say to me now, like, oh, 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:01.800 the next you'll make will be with the studio. It'll 1:40:01.840 --> 1:40:05.160 be like Universal Paramount or whatever. And I'm like, I 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:08.920 don't really like those movies. I don't really like big movies. 1:40:08.960 --> 1:40:12.160 I love small movies like I love movies like Don't 1:40:12.200 --> 1:40:15.920 Think Twice And you know, Captain Fantastic is a good 1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:18.880 one that's out right now and Tickled Like there's like 1:40:19.040 --> 1:40:21.000 indie small indie films just like what I love. 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:23.479 So you had an absolute final say on this film. 1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:25.840 Yeah, I final cut. I finally cut in my first one. 1:40:26.600 --> 1:40:28.920 I just want to in all my all my one 1:40:28.960 --> 1:40:30.840 person shows the same thing. 1:40:31.000 --> 1:40:39.400 Has Hollywood coming knocking. Yeah, they call Okay, by the way. 1:40:39.479 --> 1:40:46.440 Congrats, Like I'm I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with any not aggregates, 1:40:46.520 --> 1:40:51.439 but just any sort of rating system. And you know, 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:54.439 when I first saw that ninety nine rotten Tomato thing, 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:57.280 I just thought like, oh, okay, one person reviewed it, 1:40:57.439 --> 1:41:00.000 and then that was the yeah, And then I realized 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:00.880 I was like, yo. 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:05.240 This is like across the board. This is probably the highest. 1:41:04.960 --> 1:41:09.519 Rated uh movie that has at least a minimum of 1:41:09.680 --> 1:41:11.040 twenty major reviews to it. 1:41:11.600 --> 1:41:15.840 Like everyone's just yeah, I've been I mean, I don't 1:41:15.880 --> 1:41:18.719 know what the humble thing to say is here, people 1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:21.720 like people have been digging it, like I've been really lucky. 1:41:22.640 --> 1:41:25.640 Like this, this, this is the equivalent of this is 1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:28.360 really the equivalent like if I got to put in 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:33.920 perspective of Illmatic getting five mics, Yeah, no, this is 1:41:33.960 --> 1:41:37.759 the illmatic five mic movement where you know, like critics 1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:41.360 are really truly getting it for those that don't understand 1:41:41.400 --> 1:41:45.719 the reference, because I feel I've. 1:41:45.600 --> 1:41:49.120 Been meaning illmatic. Did your mom and all her friends 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:50.360 write all those rotten reviews? 1:41:53.280 --> 1:41:53.320 No? 1:41:53.520 --> 1:41:53.800 Okay? 1:41:53.920 --> 1:41:58.080 So uh for hip hop heads, uh nas is illmatic 1:41:58.439 --> 1:42:03.360 and the extremely glowing review that uh, I guess we 1:42:03.439 --> 1:42:09.080 can reveal that Mino Minya oh miss info was quote Shorty, 1:42:10.000 --> 1:42:10.439 you didn't know. 1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:14.680 This, Yeah, I didn't even know she was mean to 1:42:14.720 --> 1:42:16.160 Oh I didn't know, miss info. Okay, thank you. 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:16.760 Yeah. 1:42:17.520 --> 1:42:21.120 Yeah, back when Mino was at the Source magazine, back 1:42:21.160 --> 1:42:24.839 when that was our pitchfork, it was that was our pitchfork, 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:28.040 that was our rolling stone, and there was a good 1:42:29.640 --> 1:42:33.439 six year stretch of it being absolutely credible. Last word 1:42:33.560 --> 1:42:35.800 on what was quality hip hop or not? 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:38.920 Mad Man got made, Man Got four and a. 1:42:38.920 --> 1:42:39.600 Half and it was just. 1:42:41.439 --> 1:42:43.000 Got four and a half. Yeah, it was just like 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:46.280 the little Kim got no, no, no, look got five. 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:49.040 Look Kim got five? She got five? She got five? 1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:55.160 Is the one? Where was the one after that? 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:55.400 Oh? 1:42:55.439 --> 1:42:58.519 The Naked Truth was the Naked truth? Yeah, because that. 1:42:58.680 --> 1:43:02.120 Was oh crap, because the dude was like her, what 1:43:02.320 --> 1:43:09.280 was it her? Hey, well deserves Yeah, light us up 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:12.280 was a tipping point track. And then Scott gave it 1:43:12.720 --> 1:43:15.600 to all right, do you remember that? 1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:16.000 All right? 1:43:16.120 --> 1:43:18.519 Now we're falling down rabbit hole? Do you remember the 1:43:18.600 --> 1:43:21.240 Senior Love Daddy shout out moment, do the right thing? 1:43:22.000 --> 1:43:25.720 We love Radio Senior Loved and he names all those groups. Well, 1:43:26.360 --> 1:43:29.240 like I was watching that and made a beat from 1:43:29.280 --> 1:43:31.160 Matt with Scott and we were going to take it. 1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:32.200 And then next thing I know. 1:43:33.360 --> 1:43:35.840 Look even here in the beginning, like you're my drumsticks 1:43:35.880 --> 1:43:38.000 and all, like, yeah, that was a roots track. 1:43:38.600 --> 1:43:41.560 Wowow, but now it's a five my classic thank you, 1:43:43.840 --> 1:43:46.760 don't check the stor Yeah, but no. 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:52.240 I'm just saying that when NAS's Illmatic got reviewed, that 1:43:52.560 --> 1:43:55.840 was it was well, it was a game changing moment 1:43:55.880 --> 1:43:57.920 in hip hop, and I guess I wound up being 1:43:57.960 --> 1:43:59.360 a burden to Nas at the end. 1:44:00.560 --> 1:44:05.800 Yeah, no, it did. It became a burden. And so. 1:44:07.320 --> 1:44:09.400 You know, I mean to get a ninety I think 1:44:09.520 --> 1:44:12.200 getting a ninety nine is better than getting a hundred. 1:44:13.520 --> 1:44:15.120 No, I think, well. 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:18.360 There's one, yeah, there's one negative one from the Washington 1:44:18.439 --> 1:44:23.320 Post and I he tweet and tweeted about it because 1:44:23.320 --> 1:44:26.959 Seth Rogen tweeted like, I agree with all the critics. 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:29.200 I agree, like I agree with all the critics about 1:44:29.240 --> 1:44:32.280 don't think twice or whatever, and then that motherfucker tweeted 1:44:33.160 --> 1:44:35.439 I won't even say his name, it's like not all 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:42.040 the critics. I was like, no, I'm not that. Yeah, 1:44:44.520 --> 1:44:46.720 like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna write that. 1:44:46.760 --> 1:44:49.280 I'm not going to my two cents on the new 1:44:49.320 --> 1:44:50.120 Frank Ocean album. 1:44:50.520 --> 1:44:55.080 Oh yeah, but I feel like you're the kind of 1:44:55.200 --> 1:45:00.920 person that lives totally Bill. Bill's is the weird thing, though, 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:04.880 because I don't feel that Boss Bill is the guy 1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:10.120 that genuinely feels that he needs to knock down your 1:45:10.240 --> 1:45:16.040 Jinga game, right, but just part of him that just 1:45:16.200 --> 1:45:19.639 has to Charlie Brown kick your Jinga game. 1:45:20.160 --> 1:45:22.360 I'll let you play Jinga if if you know, if 1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:23.880 it looks like you guys know what you're doing. But 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:25.280 if you don't know what you're doing, I'm gonna knock 1:45:25.280 --> 1:45:26.559 that ship down and let somebody else play. 1:45:27.600 --> 1:45:30.320 All right, did you all right? More rabbit hole falling? 1:45:31.000 --> 1:45:32.960 Did you metaphor? 1:45:34.120 --> 1:45:35.479 I'm just saying that is. 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:38.000 The jengamore metaphor out of respect for the Djenga in 1:45:38.080 --> 1:45:40.600 the movie. Yes, good, I love it. 1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:45.240 I'm just saying that, like you, but part of you 1:45:45.400 --> 1:45:48.600 knew that you didn't want to like it in the 1:45:48.680 --> 1:45:49.200 first place. 1:45:49.560 --> 1:45:51.640 No, it's not that I didn't go into it, not 1:45:51.760 --> 1:45:56.080 one voice so high. I didn't go into it knowing 1:45:56.120 --> 1:45:59.519 that I didn't want to like it. It's I knew 1:45:59.600 --> 1:46:00.600 what to expect, and. 1:46:00.680 --> 1:46:04.040 I knew so even though expressed sadly. 1:46:04.560 --> 1:46:06.519 It's like I knew what's expecting. I didn't want to 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:08.320 like just you know, go off the cuff and say, 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:10.000 oh it's trash and I didn't even listen to it. 1:46:10.600 --> 1:46:12.920 I needed to get confirmation, and I got confirmation. 1:46:16.280 --> 1:46:17.479 But I don't think. 1:46:18.840 --> 1:46:23.559 I still say that you have to live with something, 1:46:25.120 --> 1:46:28.640 uh for about three months before you. 1:46:28.760 --> 1:46:33.360 Really Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's like it's 1:46:33.400 --> 1:46:34.960 like I could listen to Jesus and know that I 1:46:35.080 --> 1:46:36.200 never needed to listen to it again. 1:46:36.360 --> 1:46:38.800 But you see, I had to change your heart about Jesus. Yeah, 1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:41.240 you had to go to a loud ass stadium to 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:44.040 hear where. I believe Bob Power, who was our guest 1:46:44.080 --> 1:46:46.160 when you told this story, said that if you play 1:46:46.240 --> 1:46:49.400 anything at a loud volume, it automatically sounds better. So 1:46:49.680 --> 1:46:52.880 I mean, come on or in a strip club that 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:55.200 was I mean, if you if you're listening to Jesus 1:46:56.280 --> 1:46:58.840 a loud volume at Madison Square Garden, it's going to 1:46:58.920 --> 1:47:02.759 sound like it's going to sound amazing because everything sounds Send. 1:47:02.680 --> 1:47:04.040 It Up was the only one that stuck for me 1:47:04.120 --> 1:47:05.800 on that, like send it up. I cut for it 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:07.439 like that one was like, okay, ill fun, We'll send 1:47:07.479 --> 1:47:11.040 it up. And Black Skinhead is like great montage Navy 1:47:11.080 --> 1:47:17.920 seal training music. That's cool, like you know what I'm saying. 1:47:18.000 --> 1:47:18.960 But other than that, I. 1:47:19.000 --> 1:47:21.320 Mean ever since they played it at the engagement party 1:47:21.360 --> 1:47:25.120 and messed me up songa party at Kim and Kanye's 1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:27.960 engagement party at the stadium, Jaden and then were dancing 1:47:28.000 --> 1:47:29.240 in the background the black Skinhead. 1:47:29.280 --> 1:47:30.120 It was like, what are we doing? 1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:30.639 Who? 1:47:31.280 --> 1:47:37.360 Jayden and highly, Yes, I missed this. It was at 1:47:37.360 --> 1:47:38.599 the San Francisco Stadium. 1:47:39.360 --> 1:47:41.680 So you watch Keeping Up with the Gardashians. 1:47:41.960 --> 1:47:46.920 Oh sh you gotta you gotta look on black Twitter Marrow. 1:47:49.160 --> 1:47:50.920 Yeah, that wasn't I missed that too. 1:47:51.160 --> 1:47:53.760 Oh my god, I'm not all right. I'm not even 1:47:53.800 --> 1:47:54.920 gonna leave you out there like. 1:47:56.520 --> 1:47:59.720 Twice a year, you know, like when sometimes you have 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:02.880 to handel your battery, your your remote control what. 1:48:05.479 --> 1:48:06.320 I don't know what you were doing? 1:48:06.840 --> 1:48:07.280 Everyone? 1:48:12.760 --> 1:48:18.679 What's happened when your remote control batteries haven't been changed 1:48:18.720 --> 1:48:19.400 in a second, we. 1:48:20.920 --> 1:48:21.439 Got roll them. 1:48:21.479 --> 1:48:26.320 You got a fondle furious styles right the fury I 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:35.080 was doing with Michael Jackson. Uh oh, for those listening 1:48:35.160 --> 1:48:36.800 at home, you don't want to see what's happening. 1:48:36.840 --> 1:48:38.559 For those ladies listening you do want to see. 1:48:42.040 --> 1:48:45.519 Okay, so maybe once or twice or three times a year, 1:48:47.000 --> 1:48:49.040 you know, the TV will be stuck on the E 1:48:49.320 --> 1:48:52.720 channel and I'll fall into a Kardashian rabbit hole and 1:48:53.720 --> 1:48:56.200 about nine of those episodes will just run and I 1:48:56.280 --> 1:48:57.200 can't stop watching it. 1:48:57.439 --> 1:48:59.880 Every man in here has watched it. At least one 1:49:03.920 --> 1:49:06.240 speak on it, because you quiet speak on it, Mike. 1:49:06.160 --> 1:49:07.240 Speak on watch it. 1:49:07.800 --> 1:49:11.400 I've watched about half an episode of a Kardashian and. 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:13.479 Then I didn't. 1:49:13.600 --> 1:49:16.160 I'm sorry. I didn't get into it. No, I I 1:49:16.320 --> 1:49:17.720 just couldn't. I couldn't follow it. 1:49:21.800 --> 1:49:23.160 Right, I couldn't keep up. 1:49:23.240 --> 1:49:27.120 Literally, well, I was confused because I I turned it 1:49:27.240 --> 1:49:28.840 on just because Kanye was on it. 1:49:30.200 --> 1:49:35.519 He is on it, yeah, now I thought he was. 1:49:37.320 --> 1:49:38.160 Win the rabbit hole. 1:49:38.680 --> 1:49:40.800 But then I was like, if he's not on it more, 1:49:41.479 --> 1:49:43.720 I'm not going to watch this because I don't know 1:49:43.800 --> 1:49:44.800 what the rest of them do. 1:49:46.000 --> 1:49:48.439 Nothing, Like what do they do? Like? Why are they? 1:49:48.600 --> 1:49:51.840 Why is it? I think we're jealous that they're able 1:49:51.920 --> 1:49:53.639 to monetize. 1:49:55.000 --> 1:49:55.679 When it's features. 1:49:55.920 --> 1:49:57.280 I don't want to monetize. 1:49:57.439 --> 1:50:00.120 I don't like this an that's what I you know, 1:50:00.240 --> 1:50:03.320 that's a good example, I think, I think it's a 1:50:03.439 --> 1:50:05.040 sellout adventure. 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:06.960 Well your dig but they sell out on purpose. They 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:09.160 never had like a you know, there was never anything. 1:50:10.439 --> 1:50:10.679 Yeah. 1:50:11.520 --> 1:50:14.320 I mean, if you think Chris Jenner was at the 1:50:14.479 --> 1:50:17.760 murder trial of her boob that her ex husband was 1:50:17.800 --> 1:50:21.960 defending while sitting defending her side dude while with the 1:50:22.080 --> 1:50:24.000 new dude, like, that's. 1:50:25.360 --> 1:50:26.400 That's like the boyfriend. 1:50:28.200 --> 1:50:29.120 Mike and America confused. 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:29.400 They don't know. 1:50:29.439 --> 1:50:32.639 That's like the boyfriend that came to Mike's girlfriend's house 1:50:32.680 --> 1:50:34.599 and then Mike Kim there too, and those two boyfriends. 1:50:35.240 --> 1:50:36.800 Yeah, the murder. 1:50:39.120 --> 1:50:46.680 One murder, But how do we get to this? We 1:50:46.800 --> 1:50:48.719 just fell down rabbit holes. I was trying to explain 1:50:48.720 --> 1:50:52.839 thematic and we ended up it like the little Kim, which. 1:50:52.720 --> 1:50:55.840 Then led to so let's go back to omadic. I 1:50:55.880 --> 1:50:58.720 guess yeah, so you got ninety nine and rotten to 1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:02.720 a fag? You congratulations? Is Mike? 1:51:04.240 --> 1:51:06.880 What I feel? I feel like, I feel lucky. I 1:51:07.000 --> 1:51:10.920 feel luckier about like us sitting around talking about it 1:51:11.000 --> 1:51:13.679 and how it relates to our lives. Then I feel 1:51:13.680 --> 1:51:16.240 about reviewers. I feel like, because that's that's all when 1:51:16.240 --> 1:51:18.639 you're making music or you're making a movie or whatever. 1:51:18.680 --> 1:51:18.880 It is. 1:51:19.200 --> 1:51:21.519 All you want is for people to go, oh, that's 1:51:21.600 --> 1:51:24.479 like my life, and that's you know, that's all you want. 1:51:24.560 --> 1:51:27.040 So that's all that. I feel very lucky. 1:51:27.800 --> 1:51:29.519 Okay, you know they don't all work. Can we go 1:51:29.640 --> 1:51:36.920 bottom line? Let's go bottom line across the room desires like, 1:51:38.000 --> 1:51:44.080 are we really truly honest with what we want out 1:51:44.160 --> 1:51:47.800 of life? Steve, Steve Mandel Sugar Steve. 1:51:48.760 --> 1:51:51.720 What is it that you want out of life? To 1:51:51.840 --> 1:51:55.080 be honestly, what do you want? You go to him 1:51:55.160 --> 1:51:59.080 first of this, because I know it's gonna be hilarious. 1:52:01.840 --> 1:52:06.080 Pass think about it. 1:52:07.120 --> 1:52:09.080 I mean, but I think there's an instinct in all 1:52:09.120 --> 1:52:11.960 of us that truly knows what we want. 1:52:13.200 --> 1:52:17.000 I mean in what regard the personal relationships or professional. 1:52:19.280 --> 1:52:21.519 Like, at what point? At what point are we like 1:52:23.400 --> 1:52:28.760 I'm satisfied, I'm gonna stop. I know what happens. I 1:52:28.760 --> 1:52:29.280 don't think it. 1:52:31.000 --> 1:52:34.080 I don't think you ever stopped. Yeah, I don't think 1:52:34.080 --> 1:52:36.439 you ever stopped. I think you just can reach a 1:52:36.560 --> 1:52:40.040 point of complacency. Yeah, right, you stop chasing. It's like 1:52:40.120 --> 1:52:43.599 the Bill Withers thing where he's like, you know, if 1:52:43.640 --> 1:52:45.880 you're going through when you're when you're going through life. 1:52:45.880 --> 1:52:48.800 If you're on your way to excellent, right at some 1:52:48.880 --> 1:52:50.800 point you're gonna get pretty good. And once you get 1:52:50.840 --> 1:52:53.080 to pretty good, look around, because that may be as 1:52:53.120 --> 1:52:55.640 far as you're gonna go. So it's just kind of like, 1:52:56.479 --> 1:52:58.840 I don't think no one ever stops, but you have 1:52:59.000 --> 1:53:02.120 to think at some point right now, if my life 1:53:02.200 --> 1:53:04.960 doesn't go past just being able to talk ship with 1:53:05.160 --> 1:53:11.519 questlove and two Jews, have my Jewish brothers, you know 1:53:11.560 --> 1:53:13.880 what I'm saying, like in a room and electric lady, 1:53:14.439 --> 1:53:15.479 just being able to talk ship with. 1:53:15.520 --> 1:53:19.439 My homies and have like anyone's exploded in the room 1:53:19.520 --> 1:53:20.240 behind me as. 1:53:21.840 --> 1:53:24.200 Okay, yeah, we're still an he's not read anymore, he's 1:53:24.200 --> 1:53:24.599 not ready. 1:53:25.960 --> 1:53:28.320 No, But I'm saying, if my life doesn't go past 1:53:28.400 --> 1:53:30.400 this point, it's like, yo, I'm good. 1:53:30.800 --> 1:53:33.720 I get to make a living fucking with people. I 1:53:33.840 --> 1:53:38.200 really you know, love and respect and ship like what else? 1:53:38.560 --> 1:53:39.240 I got my answer? 1:53:39.720 --> 1:53:45.000 Okay, inspired the Elvis album. We did an album with 1:53:45.040 --> 1:53:45.759 Elvis Costello. 1:53:46.520 --> 1:53:49.240 All right, So you're just you're contenting. 1:53:48.880 --> 1:53:53.440 Me when your achievements surpassed your dreams. 1:53:54.280 --> 1:53:56.920 So you got to produce your idol so you don't 1:53:56.960 --> 1:53:59.320 feel like now, like, okay, next record. 1:53:59.120 --> 1:54:01.880 Yeah, there's more he's gonna do. He's gonna do another 1:54:01.960 --> 1:54:03.439 song that I wrote the lyrics for us. 1:54:03.439 --> 1:54:04.920 So it gets it gets bigger than. 1:54:11.560 --> 1:54:13.000 You know strug girl. 1:54:16.280 --> 1:54:17.439 But that's all bounced with. 1:54:17.600 --> 1:54:21.519 You know, you gotta keep the family situation harmonious and 1:54:22.200 --> 1:54:25.479 you know, keep the regular work job going. And if 1:54:25.520 --> 1:54:29.320 all those things are cool, then you know you're cool. 1:54:30.479 --> 1:54:34.240 I think so, all right, a buch of sugar being right, 1:54:37.320 --> 1:54:40.800 can we just let one episode without diabetes being mentioned? 1:54:40.880 --> 1:54:41.200 Please? 1:54:41.440 --> 1:54:41.480 No? 1:54:43.360 --> 1:54:46.400 Bill? Yeah, what do you want outline besides getting. 1:54:46.200 --> 1:54:48.600 Laid, which ain't gonna have. 1:54:48.800 --> 1:54:51.320 That's it. It's gonna happen, man, It's gonna happen. 1:54:51.640 --> 1:54:53.440 Thank you well to talk about that. 1:54:53.800 --> 1:54:53.920 Uh. 1:54:54.160 --> 1:54:55.840 I feel like we've all been working so hard to 1:54:55.880 --> 1:54:57.800 get through a place where we can plateau, not like 1:54:57.880 --> 1:55:00.560 plateau in a negative sense, but then like, you worked 1:55:00.600 --> 1:55:02.240 so hard to get to this place where you can 1:55:02.600 --> 1:55:04.920 do what you want. And I think that that's that 1:55:05.080 --> 1:55:08.600 was always my my desire was, like I I did 1:55:08.760 --> 1:55:11.080 not intend to get involved in any of the things 1:55:11.120 --> 1:55:11.760 I'm involved in. 1:55:12.320 --> 1:55:17.920 Yes, okay, but if you fulfill your ghetto, we're not 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:21.640 doing If you get your If you get your OH, 1:55:22.640 --> 1:55:23.480 then will you be like. 1:55:25.200 --> 1:55:26.120 I did it? That's it. 1:55:26.200 --> 1:55:28.040 I think I'd like to get the OH so that 1:55:28.120 --> 1:55:31.040 we could stop talking about it more than more than 1:55:31.120 --> 1:55:31.840 actually getting it. 1:55:33.320 --> 1:55:33.520 In the. 1:55:39.760 --> 1:55:40.120 Oscar. 1:55:40.640 --> 1:55:41.480 You don't have an oscar. 1:55:42.720 --> 1:55:47.200 That's like the most potentious bullshit, like I. 1:55:47.200 --> 1:55:47.960 Don't have an oscar. 1:55:50.360 --> 1:55:50.840 You know how many? 1:55:51.400 --> 1:55:53.240 You know how many great films don't have oscars? 1:55:53.400 --> 1:55:53.760 How many? 1:55:55.440 --> 1:55:55.920 So many? 1:55:58.160 --> 1:56:04.360 Like I feel like I'm superficial for desires, you know, 1:56:04.480 --> 1:56:05.120 I don't think. 1:56:11.280 --> 1:56:14.440 I think, well, I don't know. I mean, there's this 1:56:15.800 --> 1:56:18.920 Angela Duckworth wrote this column for The Times recently, where 1:56:19.000 --> 1:56:23.120 she said, when you're to college graduates, she said, I 1:56:23.480 --> 1:56:26.480 don't recommend you. I won't ask yourself what do I 1:56:26.520 --> 1:56:28.600 want to be when I grow up? Ask yourself what's 1:56:28.600 --> 1:56:30.920 the world I want to live in? And how can 1:56:31.000 --> 1:56:34.040 I help make that happen? And I feel like, now 1:56:34.120 --> 1:56:36.360 in my late thirties, I'm starting to be like, that's 1:56:36.400 --> 1:56:38.000 what I want to do. I just want to figure 1:56:38.040 --> 1:56:38.920 out how can I help? 1:56:39.600 --> 1:56:46.440 Mm hmm, that's I got a list, So skip Fico 1:56:46.600 --> 1:56:47.360 and Bill, let's go. 1:56:48.120 --> 1:56:49.720 Oh No, I'm in a list for Mike to help. 1:56:50.120 --> 1:56:55.960 But what you want, don't get Bill, let's. 1:56:57.720 --> 1:56:58.720 My my my. 1:56:58.920 --> 1:57:03.600 What I want my ultimately is to make as much 1:57:03.680 --> 1:57:06.160 money as I can behind the scenes, so I can 1:57:06.240 --> 1:57:07.240 only leave my house when I. 1:57:07.280 --> 1:57:09.960 Feel like it. So that's real good. 1:57:10.200 --> 1:57:12.560 Yeah, to make as much to have enough money to 1:57:12.640 --> 1:57:15.480 where I don't gotta leave my house like and be seen. 1:57:15.720 --> 1:57:16.960 That is real, you know what I mean. 1:57:17.080 --> 1:57:19.640 So that's that's awesome. Yeah, that's what That's also what 1:57:19.720 --> 1:57:20.560 I want, you know what I mean. 1:57:20.720 --> 1:57:24.440 It's just I think sometimes you know, when we as desires, 1:57:24.480 --> 1:57:25.640 like you know how Mike you was saying, you know, 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:27.880 in your twenties, you think, man, I'm gonna do this 1:57:28.080 --> 1:57:30.920 at twenty four. For me, it was very much a 1:57:31.000 --> 1:57:35.120 thing where I think sometimes you know, whatever your belief God, 1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:37.160 you know, whatever the universe, how do you want to 1:57:37.240 --> 1:57:40.200 phrase it? I think sometimes people, you know, in life 1:57:40.280 --> 1:57:42.800 you'll get what you asked for, but not what you 1:57:42.960 --> 1:57:44.520 want it, you know what I mean. It's kind of 1:57:44.600 --> 1:57:46.480 like the Henry Ford thing of like if I asked, 1:57:46.640 --> 1:57:48.320 if I would have asked the public what they wanted, 1:57:49.200 --> 1:57:51.080 they to ask for a faster horse, you know what 1:57:51.080 --> 1:57:53.520 I mean. So sometimes I think in life you can 1:57:53.600 --> 1:57:56.080 say if you're that young kid and you just think, Yo, 1:57:56.160 --> 1:57:57.520 I want a record deal. I want to record I 1:57:57.560 --> 1:57:59.280 want to record deal. I want to record deal. And 1:57:59.400 --> 1:58:01.240 you get the record deal and then you realize, oh 1:58:01.280 --> 1:58:04.200 my god, this is ship. So then in the midst 1:58:04.200 --> 1:58:06.200 of that record deal you realize, you know, what what 1:58:06.360 --> 1:58:09.720 I really want is freedom. But you don't get that 1:58:10.000 --> 1:58:12.160 until you don't get the lesson, until you get that 1:58:12.320 --> 1:58:14.240 thing that you thought that you really wanted. 1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:16.280 So for me, I'm just at a point where I 1:58:16.400 --> 1:58:19.760 was like, you know, I admire I like my privacy. 1:58:19.840 --> 1:58:22.160 I like just you know, laying low. I really don't 1:58:22.240 --> 1:58:25.800 do people like that. You know what I'm saying. I 1:58:26.000 --> 1:58:28.720 prefer just close company, just people you know, I do 1:58:29.720 --> 1:58:36.400 being kicked yea and everything. 1:58:38.080 --> 1:58:40.080 His answer is my answer, get my bread and just 1:58:40.160 --> 1:58:42.120 be able to lay low. And you ain't got to 1:58:42.200 --> 1:58:44.040 know my name, you ain't got to know. Just know 1:58:44.200 --> 1:58:46.320 my work and know where it's my checks. 1:58:46.600 --> 1:58:48.080 That's it. I want to be the kind of guy 1:58:48.120 --> 1:58:49.920 that can shut a sight down like Gawker, just you know, 1:58:50.560 --> 1:58:55.400 pure spite, Yo, who are you? 1:58:59.000 --> 1:59:04.920 You can't be like the mental terrorists Like I'm like, 1:59:04.960 --> 1:59:06.400 I just want to be able to do my thing. 1:59:07.200 --> 1:59:09.360 You know how I want to do it without all 1:59:09.440 --> 1:59:13.320 the extra hullabaloo and recognition. I want to be a 1:59:13.360 --> 1:59:17.120 little you know, be a regular person, but you know 1:59:17.240 --> 1:59:18.520 that just does extraordinary shit. 1:59:19.760 --> 1:59:22.560 Oh okay, so let me look at my list I 1:59:22.600 --> 1:59:27.480 would like to own. I would like a house in Brazil, 1:59:27.680 --> 1:59:28.400 a house. 1:59:28.160 --> 1:59:28.560 In d C. 1:59:28.720 --> 1:59:31.320 And in all seriousness that I do want a house 1:59:31.320 --> 1:59:32.280 in Brazil and house in DC. 1:59:32.640 --> 1:59:36.200 But I'd just like to get again. I've been doing good. 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:38.080 I was doing good getting paid to be myself. 1:59:38.120 --> 1:59:38.440 I like that. 1:59:38.480 --> 1:59:39.680 I would like to be able to really make a 1:59:39.720 --> 1:59:40.960 living off with that. That'd be great. 1:59:42.040 --> 1:59:44.160 And for a man to say one day, hey, would 1:59:44.200 --> 1:59:48.040 you marry me? Because you know, it's just I heard 1:59:48.080 --> 1:59:48.720 that's kind of nice. 1:59:48.760 --> 1:59:49.480 What a dude does that. 1:59:49.920 --> 1:59:52.000 Don't mean to get all girly on y'all when it 1:59:52.120 --> 1:59:53.920 never happens and you're at a certain age. 1:59:53.720 --> 1:59:55.360 You're like, and then I'd like to use this little 1:59:55.440 --> 2:00:01.840 coaching here for a little baby unusable to use this. 2:00:03.400 --> 2:00:04.600 Or you know, like a. 2:00:06.920 --> 2:00:09.760 Firm, I will take anybody. I have a couple of 2:00:10.000 --> 2:00:12.440 short lists, lady. 2:00:12.240 --> 2:00:14.480 And that's another episode of. 2:00:17.800 --> 2:00:18.080 Steve. 2:00:18.160 --> 2:00:22.920 You don't have any babies, do you? That sugar hereditary 2:00:23.000 --> 2:00:25.040 or is it no, that was that was man made. 2:00:28.200 --> 2:00:29.400 We'll talk across. 2:00:30.600 --> 2:00:34.200 I'll give you one sperm, the. 2:00:34.240 --> 2:00:41.920 Little swimmer that could never had. Okay, yeah, I just 2:00:42.040 --> 2:00:43.160 want this episode to be. 2:00:45.000 --> 2:00:47.040 Wait, but but meir, what do you want? 2:00:47.120 --> 2:00:50.400 What do you want? Now? I feel like my life 2:00:50.480 --> 2:00:54.120 is superficial? Go in, go in like you in the circle. 2:00:54.240 --> 2:00:56.480 Now, well, okay, let me look before you preface it, like, 2:00:56.640 --> 2:01:00.200 you have a skill set that a lot of us 2:01:00.280 --> 2:01:03.280 don't have, and we can't make money off of our 2:01:03.320 --> 2:01:05.360 skill set the way that you can. So you know, 2:01:05.520 --> 2:01:09.000 if if you feel like you know, you're ones a 2:01:09.040 --> 2:01:12.720 little bit more superficial, I'm not mad at that because. 2:01:12.480 --> 2:01:14.200 You have them. You got a lot more tools to 2:01:14.240 --> 2:01:14.520 work with. 2:01:14.640 --> 2:01:17.240 It's like, dude, no, seriously, it's like because you DJ 2:01:17.600 --> 2:01:21.280 and you your incredible drummer and you're famous, so it's 2:01:21.360 --> 2:01:23.160 like you almost okay do I'm gonna tell you. I 2:01:23.240 --> 2:01:27.040 know you have your Mario with the with the mushroom, 2:01:27.920 --> 2:01:29.919 with the big mushroom and the flower. 2:01:30.320 --> 2:01:33.680 When you shoot out the fucking fireball, you're super like 2:01:33.720 --> 2:01:37.320 you're super Mario with all the fucking your powers, all 2:01:37.360 --> 2:01:38.160 your powers. 2:01:38.600 --> 2:01:43.120 All that shit is relative. Okay, how so it's relative. Okay, 2:01:43.160 --> 2:01:44.720 so how can I make a million dollars off of 2:01:44.760 --> 2:01:45.360 my skill set? 2:01:47.560 --> 2:01:52.320 Well that's the thing because if you're thirty eight years old. 2:01:53.720 --> 2:01:57.400 And you say, okay, well here's my final plan, and 2:01:57.440 --> 2:02:00.800 da da da da da, I don't know. I'm just 2:02:00.880 --> 2:02:03.840 saying that, I like putting a cap on it. 2:02:04.000 --> 2:02:04.640 I didn't see. 2:02:05.720 --> 2:02:09.360 I didn't even imagine that that part of my life 2:02:09.480 --> 2:02:12.840 was ever going to happen. I mean, who starts winning 2:02:13.040 --> 2:02:13.920 at forty four? 2:02:14.320 --> 2:02:14.480 Man? 2:02:14.640 --> 2:02:17.520 Yo, everybody, we just had this conversation. 2:02:18.760 --> 2:02:21.600 Forty four you are now, dude, we just. 2:02:21.600 --> 2:02:25.360 Had I had this conversation with Carl Dude, like actor, right, 2:02:25.480 --> 2:02:28.040 Steve Carrell. We were talking about with Steve Carrell. You know, 2:02:28.440 --> 2:02:29.440 he didn't really start popping. 2:02:29.520 --> 2:02:35.760 He was forty fucking Morgan Freeman. He ain't starting he 2:02:35.920 --> 2:02:38.320 was god damn sixty shit, you know what I mean? 2:02:38.560 --> 2:02:43.240 Like, all right, my, my, my, real. I don't know 2:02:43.280 --> 2:02:48.120 if it's because of this mantra. All right, there's there's 2:02:48.160 --> 2:02:51.480 a Spin magazine that Spike Lee was on the cover 2:02:51.560 --> 2:02:53.040 of back in nineteen ninety two. 2:02:54.280 --> 2:02:56.960 That's just like the Bible to me? Was that the 2:02:57.120 --> 2:02:58.400 one he edited? 2:02:58.560 --> 2:03:02.640 Yeah, they let Spike Lee edit when Mo Beta Blues 2:03:02.680 --> 2:03:04.200 came out or a Jungle Fever. 2:03:06.000 --> 2:03:07.480 The Spin magazine, and. 2:03:07.560 --> 2:03:11.680 He gave an article to Harry Allen Chuffdee to Wright, 2:03:12.560 --> 2:03:18.800 of which those two accurately predicted what their life would 2:03:18.800 --> 2:03:20.520 be like in twenty years now. 2:03:20.520 --> 2:03:25.560 It was nineteen ninety and you know, the Bomb Squad 2:03:25.600 --> 2:03:28.040 and public Enemy was so damn ubiquitous, like. 2:03:28.120 --> 2:03:32.240 Between Bell DeVos poison, if you have a black planet, 2:03:32.400 --> 2:03:35.800 Ice cubes. America's most wanted the Juice soundtrack like they 2:03:35.880 --> 2:03:37.640 were the stand they were the gold standard what the 2:03:37.720 --> 2:03:38.280 hip hop was. 2:03:38.880 --> 2:03:43.080 And they said, we're probably going to fall off in 2:03:43.320 --> 2:03:47.560 about three to four years. Wow, Then our contemporaries will 2:03:49.680 --> 2:03:51.760 sort of discard us out the window. 2:03:53.720 --> 2:03:56.600 The very first time I ever heard of, because Harry 2:03:56.680 --> 2:03:59.840 is such a nerd, the idea of the information super high. 2:04:01.000 --> 2:04:04.040 You know, we will probably be you know, be kicked 2:04:04.080 --> 2:04:07.720 off our label, so we'll be forced to sell records. 2:04:07.360 --> 2:04:07.880 On our own. 2:04:08.600 --> 2:04:10.920 They went with this whole thing, and Chuck's whole thing 2:04:11.080 --> 2:04:12.760 was like, well, not to be a total kill joy, 2:04:12.880 --> 2:04:16.839 but you know, I'm also in this business. 2:04:16.960 --> 2:04:22.160 My endgame is to create five thousand black leaders. 2:04:22.880 --> 2:04:23.120 Wow. 2:04:23.320 --> 2:04:25.920 And so I thought, hmm, maybe I could be a 2:04:25.960 --> 2:04:27.800 black leader that that sort of thing. 2:04:28.560 --> 2:04:32.200 I mean, it sounded lofty and kind of just like weird, 2:04:32.400 --> 2:04:35.600 like the idea of meditating or whatever. I just read 2:04:35.640 --> 2:04:38.640 it as like this seems a little bitter and whatever. 2:04:39.240 --> 2:04:43.960 But then I realized, like, oh man, that's some legacy shit. 2:04:44.080 --> 2:04:45.160 Yeah, that's powerful. 2:04:45.440 --> 2:04:48.760 That's some real legacy shit. Well one, they were in 2:04:48.880 --> 2:04:52.200 that miss that eighteen point missions. They were ninety nine 2:04:52.240 --> 2:04:56.000 percent correct of what life was gonna was gonna be 2:04:56.200 --> 2:05:00.120 in two thousand and two. But at that I I 2:05:00.280 --> 2:05:08.600 guess my my, I guess my goal is to. 2:05:10.880 --> 2:05:16.240 Create unmovable, unerasable graffiti. 2:05:16.640 --> 2:05:17.200 That's nice. 2:05:18.520 --> 2:05:23.400 So you don't think you've done that already. I mean 2:05:23.560 --> 2:05:30.360 at the rate where my last class where six of 2:05:30.480 --> 2:05:32.360 my eighteen students. 2:05:35.000 --> 2:05:35.920 Never heard of Thriller. 2:05:36.760 --> 2:05:39.800 That scared me because now I'm realizing that, you know, 2:05:39.880 --> 2:05:42.080 it's one thing where it's like, Okay, you might forget 2:05:42.200 --> 2:05:44.920 EPMD's fourth record, you ain't forgetting. 2:05:45.000 --> 2:05:47.960 But now we got a generation that may or may 2:05:48.200 --> 2:05:49.160 not know. 2:05:50.600 --> 2:05:53.560 I mean, I hate to say that Prince had to 2:05:53.640 --> 2:05:57.600 go through his transitional process to be forever etched in 2:05:57.680 --> 2:06:01.400 the memory of a lot of people that he otherwise, 2:06:01.640 --> 2:06:03.600 especially with the way he was going with the you know, 2:06:03.840 --> 2:06:08.480 being off the internet and stuff, you know, like basic 2:06:08.560 --> 2:06:10.400 things that we should take for granted, Like there might 2:06:10.480 --> 2:06:15.120 be a time in twenty sixty where Thriller might not matter. 2:06:16.200 --> 2:06:19.880 You know what I mean, something like thrillering the greatest 2:06:19.920 --> 2:06:23.680 selling of album. You know. It's just that's scary to me. 2:06:23.920 --> 2:06:28.480 So I'm trying to but what has lasted? I mean 2:06:28.600 --> 2:06:31.440 other than I mean a song, like I mean happy Birthday? 2:06:31.560 --> 2:06:34.440 I mean what, Yeah, that's there's a whole book about this. Recently, 2:06:36.240 --> 2:06:41.000 Chuck Klosterman wrote about what is in what becomes history 2:06:41.840 --> 2:06:44.560 now and he was saying, like, of all the music 2:06:44.680 --> 2:06:49.560 that exists right now, probably Marching Band Wow, because it's ubiquitous. 2:06:49.600 --> 2:06:53.040 It's in everything. It's ever, every football game, every every movie. 2:06:53.800 --> 2:06:59.560 Will never stop. That's like the Tuxedo of no. I think. 2:07:00.640 --> 2:07:00.960 I don't. 2:07:01.040 --> 2:07:05.240 I don't think whatever. My contribution that will last is 2:07:05.600 --> 2:07:11.920 in music, so uh, you know, I you know, is 2:07:12.000 --> 2:07:16.800 it in the food world, is it in radio? Is 2:07:16.880 --> 2:07:20.400 it in creating drum sets for for kids? 2:07:20.560 --> 2:07:22.840 I don't know. I think you have to keep going though, 2:07:22.880 --> 2:07:24.440 I think you have to just you know, when we 2:07:24.560 --> 2:07:26.080 say like not stopping. It's not. 2:07:26.280 --> 2:07:28.360 It's just you got to use all the tools in 2:07:28.400 --> 2:07:30.800 your toolbox because you never know which one is going 2:07:30.840 --> 2:07:33.360 to knock the wall down or knock a wall down, 2:07:33.440 --> 2:07:36.080 you know what I'm saying. So it could be it 2:07:36.120 --> 2:07:38.320 could be your fried chicken. I mean, who the fuck knows? Right, 2:07:38.400 --> 2:07:41.720 It just you have to just keep keep going, goy 2:07:41.880 --> 2:07:42.680 laugh like I did. 2:07:42.960 --> 2:07:46.000 I double dog did not be your chicken. That's what I'm. 2:07:48.160 --> 2:07:49.080 Legcy quest left. 2:07:49.040 --> 2:07:50.160 But that would be the black. 2:07:51.720 --> 2:07:55.600 I feel it's disingenuous of me to just say what 2:07:56.120 --> 2:07:58.400 my goals were without pointing out that, like, I'm also 2:07:58.520 --> 2:08:03.320 like ambitious and I want things, but also like you know, 2:08:04.120 --> 2:08:06.680 I don't know, like I I have some Jack and 2:08:06.800 --> 2:08:10.360 me too, like the Jack character in Me Too. I mean, 2:08:10.440 --> 2:08:12.880 if my wife were here, she would like yell at 2:08:12.920 --> 2:08:14.520 me for my answer and be like, that's not what 2:08:14.600 --> 2:08:18.880 you're like at all. You're ambitious, you're selfish things. 2:08:18.920 --> 2:08:21.080 You have to be Jack to write a movie. 2:08:21.240 --> 2:08:24.880 Yeah, and direct a movie yeah, and starting it. Yeah 2:08:25.120 --> 2:08:28.800 you are. I got some of it. 2:08:28.920 --> 2:08:39.120 In We're Here with Mikerobiglia, creator and star of Don't 2:08:39.200 --> 2:08:42.840 Think Twice and also sleep Walk with me and a 2:08:42.960 --> 2:08:44.680 gazillion other projects. 2:08:46.400 --> 2:08:52.040 Yeah, well Orange's new and anyone else wanted. 2:08:51.800 --> 2:08:59.840 To Uh Twitter Bacheler of Suicide Squad, I felt join that. 2:09:00.400 --> 2:09:02.680 Thank you. I got mad at m p a A 2:09:02.800 --> 2:09:09.360 Because they gave me a R Yeah thirteen for smokeing 2:09:09.440 --> 2:09:10.600 adult smoking weed. 2:09:11.040 --> 2:09:11.320 Wow? 2:09:11.720 --> 2:09:12.520 Is that crazy? 2:09:14.200 --> 2:09:14.680 N p A A. 2:09:14.800 --> 2:09:18.040 Man, there's a crazy movie. There's a crazy documentary about that. 2:09:20.360 --> 2:09:24.240 This This movie is not yet raided and it's everdent. 2:09:24.160 --> 2:09:26.080 Hed that so wait, what is the process? 2:09:26.200 --> 2:09:26.240 Like? 2:09:26.800 --> 2:09:28.040 It's not available anywhere? 2:09:28.520 --> 2:09:29.800 Is it? The Four Old People? 2:09:30.480 --> 2:09:33.480 I swear to god, it's so hard. I know, I know, 2:09:33.600 --> 2:09:34.640 but now it's pulled off. 2:09:35.240 --> 2:09:37.880 I feel like, is it like the Huey Lewis High 2:09:37.920 --> 2:09:40.640 School Committee and Back to the Future that watches your movie. 2:09:40.720 --> 2:09:44.120 It's like eight people according to this movie. This movie 2:09:44.200 --> 2:09:46.440 is not yet rated. It's like eight people and they've 2:09:46.440 --> 2:09:49.160 been doing it forever, and I think it. It has 2:09:49.200 --> 2:09:52.120 sort of a moralistic bent to it, you know, And 2:09:52.520 --> 2:09:56.040 a lot of times they'll give notes in the movie. 2:09:56.080 --> 2:09:59.280 They'll be like, uh, we should only see her orgasming 2:09:59.440 --> 2:10:02.400 for eight seconds and not eleven seconds. 2:10:03.160 --> 2:10:08.480 And it's like Bill Sherman's yeah, yeah, that's crazy. 2:10:08.640 --> 2:10:12.320 That's crazy. Yeah, well so these eight people watch every 2:10:12.760 --> 2:10:13.240 very movie. 2:10:13.320 --> 2:10:15.680 Yeah movie, Yeah, so what if. 2:10:15.600 --> 2:10:20.680 Your film like is shown at like one in the 2:10:20.760 --> 2:10:23.640 morning or something like. I feel like it also depends 2:10:24.000 --> 2:10:25.440 the talented people. 2:10:25.440 --> 2:10:28.120 Just play at art houses. You can have your movie 2:10:28.200 --> 2:10:31.360 be not rated, but then it'll it may not it 2:10:31.440 --> 2:10:34.680 may not end upwhere Yeah, they can't play a movie 2:10:34.760 --> 2:10:35.560 theater or that kind of thing. 2:10:36.400 --> 2:10:38.640 So you wanted this to be PEG thirteen. 2:10:39.080 --> 2:10:42.120 Yeah, because there's it's harmless. I feel like teenagers can 2:10:42.200 --> 2:10:44.640 watch it and there's nothing to it. I mean, it's 2:10:44.720 --> 2:10:47.040 just a story about friends. Like I wanted it to 2:10:47.120 --> 2:10:49.280 be like a big chill or like a sant almost 2:10:49.320 --> 2:10:52.000 fire kind of movie for this generation. So I'm like 2:10:52.400 --> 2:10:55.400 the fact that they're kind of making it like taboo 2:10:55.600 --> 2:10:57.400 for anyone's it's just kind of annoying. 2:10:57.600 --> 2:10:59.600 I think it's an adult movie, but it's not like 2:10:59.760 --> 2:11:02.400 a vulgar There's nothing in it that I thought warrants 2:11:02.480 --> 2:11:03.440 it and already. 2:11:03.320 --> 2:11:04.200 He makes it real. 2:11:05.280 --> 2:11:06.720 Yeah, I felt about it. 2:11:07.680 --> 2:11:10.200 But the thing was the main thing that turned me 2:11:10.320 --> 2:11:15.840 off about Suicide Squad was as PG thirteen, I was 2:11:15.920 --> 2:11:18.240 just like just lame, Like if it were are then 2:11:18.280 --> 2:11:22.080 I'd be like a word, okay, I would you know, 2:11:22.120 --> 2:11:25.200 I have the desire to see it, but I did. 2:11:25.320 --> 2:11:28.760 I know why yours is are because you point out 2:11:28.840 --> 2:11:31.600 how all the pettiness and adults. 2:11:33.040 --> 2:11:35.120 People can handle it Like that was the most disturbing 2:11:35.480 --> 2:11:35.920 part to me. 2:11:36.240 --> 2:11:40.280 And really the most memorable part was how they were friends, obviously, 2:11:40.920 --> 2:11:45.400 but but there you know, there's that there's that party 2:11:45.440 --> 2:11:48.120 that's rooting for your friend, that part that's jealous and 2:11:48.320 --> 2:11:51.280 all living side by side and comes out, you know, 2:11:51.400 --> 2:11:53.520 like when when the people in your movie say, oh, 2:11:53.560 --> 2:11:55.200 I just got this the gig or I got the 2:11:55.240 --> 2:11:57.640 writing gig or whatever, and there's there's moments of like 2:11:58.520 --> 2:12:00.280 nobody knows what to say because what you they want 2:12:00.280 --> 2:12:02.040 to say this fuckhy not me. 2:12:02.960 --> 2:12:05.360 A crazy thing about my movie is that I don't 2:12:06.000 --> 2:12:08.040 it's great to talk about it because I can't watch 2:12:08.080 --> 2:12:11.120 anymore because I get choked up. I like start crying 2:12:11.160 --> 2:12:13.360 every time because I feel like I relate to all 2:12:13.400 --> 2:12:15.080 the characters. I feel sad for them. 2:12:15.480 --> 2:12:17.240 What's the moment in the movie that you must relate 2:12:17.320 --> 2:12:19.720 to when. 2:12:21.560 --> 2:12:23.440 The final scene with Jack and Sam? 2:12:24.680 --> 2:12:27.800 But wait, I was gonna say I was for a second, 2:12:28.040 --> 2:12:31.520 I thought you were going to make Jack sabotage his 2:12:31.960 --> 2:12:32.440 moment too. 2:12:32.560 --> 2:12:33.960 Oh yeah, nah fuck. 2:12:38.640 --> 2:12:41.120 But for a second he was like, maybe I won't 2:12:41.200 --> 2:12:44.520 take the train of mine. Dude, Lauren's going to kill you. 2:12:44.720 --> 2:12:45.680 But not Lauren, but. 2:12:45.760 --> 2:12:49.680 Yeah, I mean Timothy Timothy. 2:12:49.960 --> 2:12:50.840 So Timothy was. 2:12:50.920 --> 2:12:55.720 Rather kind of douchy though, which I felt like you 2:12:55.880 --> 2:12:58.480 had to make him super doucey so it wouldn't be 2:12:59.640 --> 2:13:02.240 what you think that Lauren is, because Lauren is the 2:13:02.360 --> 2:13:03.080 opposite of that. 2:13:03.360 --> 2:13:06.400 Different, it's different. Yeah, yeah, you know, I just it's 2:13:06.440 --> 2:13:08.440 his own thing. I just wanted to make the boss 2:13:08.720 --> 2:13:11.040 like cold, you know what I mean, just like tough. 2:13:11.320 --> 2:13:12.720 Well where'd that bicycle come from? 2:13:12.920 --> 2:13:13.640 That was my question. 2:13:14.600 --> 2:13:15.040 I'm sorry. 2:13:15.120 --> 2:13:17.680 So there's like, yeah, the wooden bicycle in the movie. 2:13:18.560 --> 2:13:22.280 I live in Brooklyn by this. I always walked by 2:13:22.400 --> 2:13:25.880 this shop that has like Swedish bicycles, and one day 2:13:26.360 --> 2:13:28.839 I walked by and it had like a wooden bicycle. 2:13:29.360 --> 2:13:30.920 I was like, I got to put that in something. 2:13:30.960 --> 2:13:32.880 It's so funny. It's one of the funniest looking things 2:13:32.880 --> 2:13:33.520 I've ever seen. 2:13:33.960 --> 2:13:35.000 Are they like expensive? 2:13:35.160 --> 2:13:36.360 Is that like? Is that why? 2:13:36.640 --> 2:13:38.640 Yeah? I think they were like thousands of dollars. 2:13:38.800 --> 2:13:39.000 Yeah. 2:13:39.080 --> 2:13:42.560 Yeah, and the band on the show. 2:13:43.120 --> 2:13:44.240 Yeah, that's a real band. 2:13:44.440 --> 2:13:45.360 They were really exciting. 2:13:46.400 --> 2:13:46.560 Yeah. 2:13:46.640 --> 2:13:48.640 Yeah, they're called l Yeah. 2:13:48.680 --> 2:13:49.440 How did you? How did you? 2:13:50.320 --> 2:13:54.880 I found them? Just like fishing around for new bands. 2:13:54.960 --> 2:13:57.160 My wife and I just we listened to a lot 2:13:57.200 --> 2:13:59.560 of new bands and and we just found that band. 2:14:00.400 --> 2:14:06.080 That's a real band. They were because who sang the 2:14:06.160 --> 2:14:07.240 Dylan song at the end. 2:14:08.640 --> 2:14:14.560 It's piano by Roger Neil it's piano instrumental. Who there's 2:14:14.560 --> 2:14:18.640 a composer, yeah, in the credits and uh. And Dylan 2:14:18.800 --> 2:14:20.960 was nice enough to I mean I don't I never 2:14:21.000 --> 2:14:23.640 met Bob Dylan, but he was, you know, his manager, 2:14:24.200 --> 2:14:26.520 Jeff Rosen, was nice enough to let us have that 2:14:26.640 --> 2:14:30.560 sound for for next to nothing. It's really generous. I mean, 2:14:30.800 --> 2:14:34.040 Bob Dylan's really good to independent film like He's I 2:14:34.120 --> 2:14:37.680 have to say, like that guy is like really gives 2:14:37.720 --> 2:14:39.960 it up to a lot of movies for very little money. 2:14:40.840 --> 2:14:44.200 It's nice talk about talk about legacy. He's a guy 2:14:44.240 --> 2:14:47.560 who's I think very kind of focused on sort of passing, 2:14:47.840 --> 2:14:49.800 you know, paying it forward to the next generation. 2:14:50.120 --> 2:14:52.520 Is that like a small collective of no musicians that 2:14:53.040 --> 2:14:54.960 do kind of kind of cater I don't know. 2:14:55.360 --> 2:15:00.840 I mean George Clinton, Bob Dylan, is that well, George 2:15:00.880 --> 2:15:07.040 Clinton always uh uh charged the lowest rate possible for 2:15:08.440 --> 2:15:08.880 his music. 2:15:09.960 --> 2:15:13.080 Yeah, it's kind of the crack theory, like you give him, 2:15:13.200 --> 2:15:15.600 get your test. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna comment 2:15:15.680 --> 2:15:22.720 on that. Why George George George George cleaned himself up. 2:15:22.800 --> 2:15:26.160 So yeah, oh yeah, but yeah, it's the crack theory. 2:15:26.720 --> 2:15:33.480 Give you a little taste, yeah, give you taste, and 2:15:33.560 --> 2:15:36.040 then and then get you addicted, and then he keep 2:15:36.080 --> 2:15:36.480 coming back. 2:15:36.480 --> 2:15:38.720 But oh, by the way, Dylan is a great example 2:15:38.800 --> 2:15:44.600 of the guy who has always he never he never stopped. 2:15:44.600 --> 2:15:48.560 He kept going. He keeps making new albums. He's not 2:15:48.680 --> 2:15:50.760 like the Stones. He doesn't go out and do the hits. 2:15:50.800 --> 2:15:53.120 He's just he keeps like making new music. 2:15:54.000 --> 2:15:56.880 Side note, the Dylan that I know like the back 2:15:56.920 --> 2:16:02.000 of my hand, just the Christian era. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:16:02.200 --> 2:16:02.880 Christian there. 2:16:02.920 --> 2:16:05.280 Oh yeah, yeah, there's a whole bunch of albums in there. 2:16:05.280 --> 2:16:08.520 There's a Christian Yeah, there's like four records that between 2:16:08.640 --> 2:16:09.680 like seventy six. 2:16:09.600 --> 2:16:13.520 And Infidels, like yeah, yeah, yeah. 2:16:13.640 --> 2:16:15.680 So when my parents were on their Christian kick with 2:16:15.880 --> 2:16:19.520 only Christian radio in the house. I thought Bob Dylan 2:16:19.680 --> 2:16:20.880 was a Christian artist. 2:16:21.240 --> 2:16:23.680 That's amazing. I didn't know about That's incredible. 2:16:24.520 --> 2:16:26.760 Didn't didn't deal and also do some records with Full 2:16:26.840 --> 2:16:32.120 Force and No No with salam Remy and Curtis Blow. 2:16:32.879 --> 2:16:34.800 Whoa what dog? 2:16:35.040 --> 2:16:40.920 Salam Remy was Salam's father was a staff person at 2:16:41.000 --> 2:16:46.920 Mercury so eighty forty five. He was already at like 2:16:47.200 --> 2:16:52.520 thirteen fourteen years old producing Curtis Blow that America album Wow, 2:16:52.680 --> 2:16:55.920 the Kingdom Come album backed by popular demand. 2:16:57.000 --> 2:16:59.240 Salam Remy, salam. 2:16:58.920 --> 2:17:02.640 Remy at like fifteen sixteen years old. You know, Salamay 2:17:02.680 --> 2:17:04.320 did the Payback mix, the James. 2:17:04.120 --> 2:17:06.480 Brown Pai that. Wait, I didn't know that. I didn't 2:17:06.480 --> 2:17:09.000 know that. I did think that the Payback the Payback mix, 2:17:09.040 --> 2:17:09.520 which one is it? 2:17:09.720 --> 2:17:13.879 It's that James Brown Like there's like a James Brown 2:17:14.000 --> 2:17:16.640 Master Mix. Oh wow, yeah you know it if you 2:17:16.720 --> 2:17:16.960 heard it. 2:17:19.120 --> 2:17:25.320 So side rabbit Hole, that's a really big album, Rabbit 2:17:25.959 --> 2:17:29.879 the rabbit Hole starting quest Questlove's rabbit Hole. 2:17:31.200 --> 2:17:31.520 Too late. 2:17:31.600 --> 2:17:38.560 Now Yeah, well, Mike, I I have to say, uh, 2:17:39.640 --> 2:17:45.720 thank you really a sincere thanks uh for creating a 2:17:46.720 --> 2:17:54.480 conversation piece and something really universal, like it's rare. It's 2:17:54.600 --> 2:18:01.520 super rare that, uh that I see or witness something 2:18:02.640 --> 2:18:06.480 that I totally relate to and they don't necessarily look 2:18:06.640 --> 2:18:09.400 like me per se, but I totally see myself in 2:18:09.560 --> 2:18:10.200 those characters. 2:18:10.840 --> 2:18:14.680 You know. I really I can't thank you enough for it, 2:18:14.920 --> 2:18:16.600 like that I needed to. 2:18:16.959 --> 2:18:19.640 I really need to see that film and thank you 2:18:19.840 --> 2:18:21.320 for creatings. 2:18:22.080 --> 2:18:24.240 Thanks a lot of thanks for giving up to the 2:18:24.320 --> 2:18:26.640 improv community too, like that was dope. 2:18:29.240 --> 2:18:31.880 Thanks for having me on and this is this is 2:18:32.520 --> 2:18:33.200 this is awesome. 2:18:33.360 --> 2:18:36.480 Thank you, Thank you. Go see the movie. Go see yesh. 2:18:36.600 --> 2:18:37.600 Yeah it's twice. 2:18:37.840 --> 2:18:39.800 Yeah, it's in It's in like one hundred and fifty 2:18:39.879 --> 2:18:42.400 theaters in the country right now. And uh, don't think 2:18:42.440 --> 2:18:44.280 twicemovie dot com if you want to find out where 2:18:44.280 --> 2:18:44.480 it is. 2:18:44.760 --> 2:18:45.440 I have to say. 2:18:45.560 --> 2:18:47.840 This is uh this, this is this is one of 2:18:47.879 --> 2:18:52.920 them deep cut episodes. I suppose it's one of them 2:18:52.959 --> 2:18:56.680 deep cuts. All right, So what did you learn Telo today? 2:18:56.840 --> 2:18:57.040 Man? 2:18:57.360 --> 2:19:01.680 I learned today that Amir Thompson is one of the 2:19:01.760 --> 2:19:02.959 most shallow motherfuckers. 2:19:06.760 --> 2:19:11.760 Fucking paper chasing keep up with the Jones ass fucking. 2:19:12.959 --> 2:19:13.119 Yo. 2:19:13.440 --> 2:19:20.080 It's gonna make a great album. Nah manh nah Man. 2:19:20.200 --> 2:19:23.400 I learned that. I learned that from from Mike. 2:19:23.840 --> 2:19:28.320 Just that whole man, just that whole thing about the sleepwalking, 2:19:28.440 --> 2:19:31.040 Like that's just imagine, Like I mean, just having the 2:19:31.120 --> 2:19:34.600 courage to share something like that and uh, just you know, 2:19:35.200 --> 2:19:37.520 knowing that you gotta deal with that all your life. 2:19:37.560 --> 2:19:39.000 I mean, that's just something crazy. 2:19:39.080 --> 2:19:42.600 But I mean he is definitely one of the favorite 2:19:42.640 --> 2:19:45.280 people that I've introduced a lot of stuff that he's saying. 2:19:45.840 --> 2:19:48.360 He I hear myself in that, you know what I'm saying, 2:19:48.360 --> 2:19:51.879 in terms of getting older, you know, hitting that kind 2:19:51.879 --> 2:19:54.560 of late thirties, not being old, but just older and 2:19:55.120 --> 2:19:57.080 just being able to put things in perspective, you know 2:19:57.120 --> 2:20:01.480 what I'm saying. He was very you know his movie 2:20:01.560 --> 2:20:04.320 Like hearing him talk about the process of how you know, 2:20:04.520 --> 2:20:06.960 twenty two working the door at the comedy seller and 2:20:07.120 --> 2:20:09.160 thinking you're gonna do your first movie bout twenty four, 2:20:09.200 --> 2:20:11.360 which you don't do it till ten years later. I 2:20:11.440 --> 2:20:14.520 mean that resonates so much. Man, Like that, you know 2:20:14.680 --> 2:20:17.120 when people say that the entertainment and this is me 2:20:17.200 --> 2:20:19.880 in unpaid We've had this conversation on Texas up before 2:20:20.280 --> 2:20:23.199 when people say that the entertainment, you know, it takes 2:20:23.280 --> 2:20:23.800 hard work. 2:20:24.280 --> 2:20:27.840 I don't think anyone ever realizes how much hard work 2:20:27.959 --> 2:20:30.640 it is. I don't think they realize that. It's like, no, 2:20:30.959 --> 2:20:35.879 it's gonna be ten, fifteen, twenty years of just fucking 2:20:36.040 --> 2:20:37.800 slavery until one day. 2:20:37.800 --> 2:20:39.840 You'll see like and it's like, oh shit, you know 2:20:39.959 --> 2:20:43.520 we made it. But yeah, man, I learned that a 2:20:43.560 --> 2:20:44.960 lot of our stories are very similar. 2:20:45.240 --> 2:20:48.800 Cool big ups to Mic, unpaid Bill, What did you 2:20:48.879 --> 2:20:49.400 learn today? 2:20:50.000 --> 2:20:52.039 I learned that I need to keep a running document 2:20:52.160 --> 2:20:58.560 of Fonte's quotes. Number one, number two I learned, I thought, well, 2:20:58.920 --> 2:21:00.960 cashing in versus sell out. I thought that was a 2:21:01.000 --> 2:21:03.600 fascinating idea because I've never ever heard that before. 2:21:03.720 --> 2:21:05.320 Don't forget pulling out, Well. 2:21:05.240 --> 2:21:05.560 That's. 2:21:08.200 --> 2:21:13.840 Nuttingtting. Yeah, you know, and I would, honestly, I would 2:21:13.879 --> 2:21:15.600 not have watched that movie had we not been here 2:21:15.680 --> 2:21:18.160 talking to Mike, because I don't ever watch movies because 2:21:18.320 --> 2:21:19.560 I don't have any goddamn time. 2:21:19.920 --> 2:21:22.080 But I was like, yeah, you're in the industry. 2:21:22.240 --> 2:21:23.600 Well I know, but but I don't. 2:21:23.600 --> 2:21:23.880 I don't. 2:21:24.440 --> 2:21:26.040 It's the one thing that like is farn to me. 2:21:26.280 --> 2:21:28.480 I don't. I don't go to the movies. I don't 2:21:28.480 --> 2:21:32.280 know kids, man, kids, but but I was. I was 2:21:32.320 --> 2:21:34.240 saying that that I haven't seen a movie like that 2:21:34.280 --> 2:21:36.280 in a while. That was so universal, that appealed to 2:21:36.400 --> 2:21:39.879 me in a way that I thought I was almost 2:21:40.920 --> 2:21:42.880 after I watched it, I was embarrassed coming here and 2:21:42.959 --> 2:21:46.480 to say to everybody that's about me, like that movie 2:21:46.600 --> 2:21:48.640 is straight up my life like that, like except the 2:21:48.720 --> 2:21:51.920 improv ship, which is not that, but like having a 2:21:51.959 --> 2:21:54.280 group of friends. Wait, I know I play. 2:21:55.879 --> 2:21:58.720 This is the improv. We are improv. 2:21:59.560 --> 2:22:07.640 It's true. It's true. Yea uh yeah, yeah yeah, So 2:22:07.800 --> 2:22:11.640 I I was just I was. It was just interesting 2:22:11.680 --> 2:22:14.360 to see how universally your own story is and how 2:22:15.440 --> 2:22:18.040 other people share that ship. And it's nice to know 2:22:18.120 --> 2:22:20.400 that the journey of life is with other people. 2:22:21.120 --> 2:22:32.560 True. There you go, paid Steve question. So what would 2:22:32.560 --> 2:22:33.560 you learn, Steve? 2:22:34.240 --> 2:22:41.080 I learned that Mike Bigley, his name is not I 2:22:41.440 --> 2:22:44.560 learned a lot about him. He's an introspective, bright guy 2:22:46.200 --> 2:22:51.280 that's good grip on things and it's creative. And but 2:22:51.520 --> 2:22:54.840 like unpaid Bill, I didn't think I was going to 2:22:54.920 --> 2:22:58.200 be into the movie. I'm not into independent films. I'm 2:22:58.240 --> 2:23:01.120 not into improv I don't like being told to watch 2:23:01.200 --> 2:23:07.680 a movie. Sorry, but but again, like these guys that 2:23:07.800 --> 2:23:11.720 came out of it, sort of thinking, you know, I 2:23:11.800 --> 2:23:15.400 can relate to Summer all of those characters in the sense, 2:23:15.800 --> 2:23:17.400 especially in the sense of what I brought up to 2:23:17.440 --> 2:23:20.560 him that that's sort of duality of rooting for your 2:23:20.600 --> 2:23:24.320 friends and also sort of having that constant jealousy to 2:23:24.360 --> 2:23:25.400 beat them to the finish line. 2:23:25.560 --> 2:23:27.680 There's an Oscar Wild quote about that where it's like, 2:23:27.760 --> 2:23:30.440 you know, it's something to the effect of you can 2:23:30.720 --> 2:23:34.480 it's easy. Basically, it's easy to be friends in times 2:23:34.520 --> 2:23:37.600 of sympathy when your friends need this sympathy, But can 2:23:37.720 --> 2:23:40.040 you be a friend in their time of success? Like 2:23:40.160 --> 2:23:41.359 that's what tests friendships. 2:23:41.800 --> 2:23:43.520 It's not just quote Oscar Wild. 2:23:44.000 --> 2:23:45.200 Yeah, fuck you man. 2:23:49.720 --> 2:23:53.840 Every time we do this ship you you will quote 2:23:54.000 --> 2:23:57.320 the dumbest television show, the dumbest. 2:23:57.120 --> 2:24:00.000 Smartest rapper and then like an. 2:24:02.959 --> 2:24:03.200 Are you. 2:24:04.760 --> 2:24:06.120 To the top of my hands? Brother? 2:24:07.040 --> 2:24:10.000 To be alone by yourself, like with the money and 2:24:10.200 --> 2:24:13.000 just like like novels, like you could be in prison. 2:24:13.520 --> 2:24:16.360 I know anyway, Sorry, un paid bill, what did you learn? No, 2:24:16.520 --> 2:24:17.880 that's paid Bill. I'm paid Bill. 2:24:20.160 --> 2:24:20.760 What did I learn. 2:24:21.320 --> 2:24:23.640 I mean, I think everybody's pretty much already touched on 2:24:23.680 --> 2:24:27.879 it so far. You know, just watching the movie, which 2:24:27.920 --> 2:24:30.760 probably wasn't a movie I would have normally watched, but 2:24:31.640 --> 2:24:33.200 like by the end of it, I got so wrapped 2:24:33.240 --> 2:24:35.120 up in it because, like like everybody said, it was 2:24:35.160 --> 2:24:37.600 like watching my life on screen. Like I'm not I'm 2:24:37.640 --> 2:24:42.000 not in improv, I'm not you know, into I'm not 2:24:42.080 --> 2:24:44.600 a musician or anything, but just so much much of 2:24:44.680 --> 2:24:47.200 it rings true with just seeing being on Facebook every 2:24:47.240 --> 2:24:49.800 day and seeing what my friends are doing and see 2:24:49.840 --> 2:24:52.120 where I am in life, and you know, uh, you know, 2:24:52.520 --> 2:24:54.920 and some people I'm ahead of, some people I'm way behind. 2:24:55.000 --> 2:24:58.440 So you know, it's it's it's I don't know, it's weird. 2:24:58.560 --> 2:25:00.000 Getting old, it's it kind of sucked. 2:25:00.600 --> 2:25:02.120 I don't like it. How old are you? 2:25:02.400 --> 2:25:07.920 I'm thirty six, I said, I said, getting older. No, 2:25:08.160 --> 2:25:10.520 I thought you were like forty six. Now I am 2:25:10.640 --> 2:25:14.720 a year in like a week or something younger than Fonte. Yeah, 2:25:15.440 --> 2:25:16.640 I'm a year a week younger than you. 2:25:18.560 --> 2:25:19.760 Look, man, I don't like this. 2:25:21.720 --> 2:25:25.600 I mean, look, I'm not saying everybody's journey gotta be 2:25:25.680 --> 2:25:29.240 my journey. But again, I was kind of ready, you know, 2:25:29.480 --> 2:25:32.640 thirty eight, thirty nine. I was like, well, this was nice, 2:25:33.200 --> 2:25:33.440 it was. 2:25:35.080 --> 2:25:35.360 Cool. 2:25:36.680 --> 2:25:40.080 But I'm like you and then you know, evidently like 2:25:40.720 --> 2:25:43.200 a window open. I'm just saying that it can happen late, 2:25:44.000 --> 2:25:45.240 but a. 2:25:45.280 --> 2:25:45.760 Lot of tight. 2:25:45.959 --> 2:25:48.400 I don't think that's That's what I'm proc, dude, that's 2:25:48.760 --> 2:25:51.320 that's not late. I think that's kind of poor for 2:25:51.440 --> 2:25:54.360 the chorus. I mean, well, yeah, but just a lot 2:25:54.560 --> 2:25:55.359 you usually. 2:25:55.120 --> 2:25:59.400 Post thirty five, we start like, okay, might as well. 2:26:00.520 --> 2:26:03.080 I think you're just looking at it from the perspective 2:26:03.080 --> 2:26:06.039 of being in the music industry, and like in any 2:26:06.280 --> 2:26:08.800 any other field, you know, just. 2:26:08.920 --> 2:26:13.080 Say, man with like twelve syllables, okay, in. 2:26:13.120 --> 2:26:16.040 Any other industry, most people don't find success in their twenties. 2:26:16.240 --> 2:26:18.040 So you know, man, talk about it. 2:26:18.120 --> 2:26:20.400 I think we we're the generation that was. I always 2:26:20.440 --> 2:26:22.560 say that Diddy messed it up. I say that Diddy 2:26:22.600 --> 2:26:24.640 messed it up when he quit college and kept doing 2:26:24.680 --> 2:26:26.560 those trips to New York and got success early and 2:26:26.600 --> 2:26:28.600 became millionaires. And everybody looked at Diddy and was like, 2:26:28.680 --> 2:26:31.520 you know what, it could be done by twenty something, 2:26:31.680 --> 2:26:32.400 but not for you. 2:26:32.600 --> 2:26:35.240 Oh I feel you me, I telt you met him 2:26:36.000 --> 2:26:37.920 having a successful rap career as. 2:26:37.760 --> 2:26:38.879 A non rapper. 2:26:40.440 --> 2:26:42.440 That's how Kim Kardashian looked at it. But I'm just 2:26:42.480 --> 2:26:43.520 saying that, oh, well. 2:26:43.480 --> 2:26:46.680 Yeah, diddy' is the beginning of the quarter personality, right, so, 2:26:46.959 --> 2:26:49.000 but yeah, it starts with them and ends with Kim. 2:26:49.440 --> 2:26:49.600 Oh. 2:26:49.720 --> 2:26:51.840 But here's what I learned today that you were asking, 2:26:51.920 --> 2:26:52.480 mister Loft. 2:26:53.760 --> 2:26:58.920 Mister, I learned that I'm like, y'all, I'm really in 2:26:59.040 --> 2:27:01.680 the improv stand up a couple of times and whatnot. 2:27:02.000 --> 2:27:04.120 And so for Mike, I've realized that, you know what, 2:27:04.280 --> 2:27:08.320 it's it's possible to live your dreams and it's possible 2:27:08.360 --> 2:27:10.240 to use all these tools for the greater good. Because 2:27:10.240 --> 2:27:12.000 I'm hoping at some point did all those classes and 2:27:12.040 --> 2:27:13.360 I pro groups and stuff lead. 2:27:14.000 --> 2:27:16.039 So I'm just saying that's what I learned today. 2:27:16.080 --> 2:27:16.960 It's led you to this. 2:27:17.760 --> 2:27:18.800 Oh that's right, I made it. 2:27:19.400 --> 2:27:22.520 Yeah you did? 2:27:23.120 --> 2:27:27.000 What did you learn? Like? Seeing being the l now 2:27:27.040 --> 2:27:28.360 as the leader of this flock? 2:27:28.520 --> 2:27:30.000 Now, I feel like I'm gonna let you all down 2:27:30.040 --> 2:27:32.600 again because the one thing I learned I'm gonna try tonight. 2:27:33.640 --> 2:27:35.800 Okay, I'm gonna sleeping and sleeping. 2:27:36.000 --> 2:27:39.400 Yes, you're gonna pot it out. 2:27:39.879 --> 2:27:40.160 I just. 2:27:42.400 --> 2:27:43.640 I ain't going with the mints to. 2:27:43.640 --> 2:27:45.760 Make sure I have the inside zipper though, because you. 2:27:46.360 --> 2:27:49.480 Well, no, only only because I'm one of those people 2:27:49.640 --> 2:27:55.279 who's uh air conditioning Like you ever? Are you ever. 2:27:55.240 --> 2:27:57.600 So cold in the morning or hot in the morning 2:27:58.000 --> 2:28:00.160 that you're too lazy to get out of bed just 2:28:00.440 --> 2:28:03.439 change the temperature day you just rather suffer. 2:28:03.240 --> 2:28:05.400 Through it and just hope that take your clothes off 2:28:06.560 --> 2:28:07.680 or right, I'm one. 2:28:07.640 --> 2:28:10.760 Of those lazy can't walk to the air conditioner just 2:28:10.879 --> 2:28:15.240 to turn it down or whatever. So right now, like 2:28:15.440 --> 2:28:20.080 my my joint is like on freeze freeze time's pie. 2:28:20.280 --> 2:28:22.280 Like my room's like forty one degrees. 2:28:22.560 --> 2:28:25.520 Like tell then we call that strip club weather? 2:28:26.680 --> 2:28:27.320 Is that we call it? 2:28:27.440 --> 2:28:27.600 Yeah? 2:28:27.600 --> 2:28:29.360 Because that's they kept the nipples hard. That's how to 2:28:29.440 --> 2:28:30.160 keep the nipples hard. 2:28:30.440 --> 2:28:37.199 And I also want to say, electric ladies the bomb. 2:28:37.840 --> 2:28:41.080 Yeah, yeah, we got couches and we sitting. 2:28:41.879 --> 2:28:48.560 This is better than that, Yes, Persia, Yes, it's it's. 2:28:49.879 --> 2:28:53.600 It's it's important, quite awesome to to come back home 2:28:53.800 --> 2:28:58.879 to uh electrical lady and uh until next time, ladies 2:28:58.920 --> 2:28:59.720 and gentlemen. 2:29:00.240 --> 2:29:08.000 On behalf of boss bill and and unpaid Bill and Lie. 2:29:10.680 --> 2:29:13.680 All right, let you Beck and fin take. My name 2:29:13.760 --> 2:29:28.160 is quest Love and this is question only Onda quest 2:29:28.240 --> 2:29:28.840 Love Supreme. 2:29:28.879 --> 2:29:32.160 It is a production of iHeart Radio. This classic episode 2:29:32.280 --> 2:29:41.039 was produced by the team at Mandora. 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