Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic
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Speaker 2: Hey it's Unpaid Bill. On this week's Quest Love Supreme Classic,
Speaker 2: we talked to comedian, writer and filmmaker Mike Rofiglia about
Speaker 2: his real life sleepwalking, his movie Don't Think Twice, and
Speaker 2: the insatiable nature of success. This is from November ninth,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. See you on the next go round.
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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another addition of Course Love
Speaker 1: Supreme only on Pandora. Yes, I'm Course Love and we
Speaker 1: got the team Supreme with us, and today we got
Speaker 1: a really great show for you. Comedian, writer, actor and
Speaker 1: director Mike Burbigley is on the show he'll be on
Speaker 1: in a bit, and we're talking about his new movie
Speaker 1: Don't Think Twice, which is out next Wednesday on iTunes
Speaker 1: and on December sixth on Blu Ray. And before all that,
Speaker 1: we're going to check in with the Team Supreme. We
Speaker 1: are here at our home at Electric Ladies Studios.
Speaker 3: Yeah that sugar, Steve. Yes, we're back at Electric Lady Man.
Speaker 3: We never left. We never left.
Speaker 5: I've been hiding under this couch for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Steve and I first met each other twenty years ago
Speaker 1: at where we are right now, this location.
Speaker 5: Very to our anniversary tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's good to be here. I just never
Speaker 1: knew that our return to Electric Ladies Studios would be
Speaker 1: a radio show. Yeah, exactly. Okay, So to my left,
Speaker 1: going clockwa uh Sugar Steve, what's up pal?
Speaker 5: Feeling good?
Speaker 3: You're feeling good?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: Okay, great, stomach hurts, my head is killing.
Speaker 3: Me, okay, okay, unpaid Bill? How you doing?
Speaker 7: Bro?
Speaker 2: Good man?
Speaker 3: Are you I'm great?
Speaker 2: How's life fantastic?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 2: Sometimes you look like ship? Thank you coming from you?
Speaker 3: Very sure?
Speaker 2: It's really really painful.
Speaker 3: Fine TiO another day, another dollar, brother, how's it going man?
Speaker 3: I can't complain it though.
Speaker 8: Man, I'm sitting here a quest a little supreme, an
Speaker 8: electric lady and ship chopping up this paper.
Speaker 3: You couldn't leave it, you could, all right, we are
Speaker 3: officially chopping on paper? What the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 3: Up the paper? It's like you know what I mean?
Speaker 9: Oh, you know for those that are as well as
Speaker 9: tell everybody, oh, what's chopping up paper?
Speaker 8: Chopping up paper is a colloquialism used in the American
Speaker 8: South among negroes who are probably making their money in
Speaker 8: the legal activities such as drug dealing or money laundering,
Speaker 8: and it replied.
Speaker 1: It is referred to as you know, I'm gaining this
Speaker 1: currency at an alarming rate. I'm amassing legal tender.
Speaker 8: As at a rate that is just incredible. So I'm
Speaker 8: here by chopping up the paper. It doesn't mean I'm
Speaker 8: literally putting blades to the paper and then breaking it off.
Speaker 5: It's just counterfeit money.
Speaker 3: It could be chopping it up, you could.
Speaker 8: You could be breaking it up like in the sheets
Speaker 8: like white. But it's just very much you know, I'm
Speaker 8: chopping up that paper.
Speaker 3: Boss, Bill, hold on, come on stop. How are we
Speaker 3: doing doing really well? More importantly, how am I doing?
Speaker 3: You're doing great, You're doing a good job. But this
Speaker 3: is only the first like five minutes though, right, No, we've.
Speaker 9: Been at this for like about ten minutes so far. Okay,
Speaker 9: we'll see. That's that's what you're afforded to keep you
Speaker 9: in mind.
Speaker 3: You're doing a great job.
Speaker 1: And I guess the most notable thing to mention at
Speaker 1: the top here is that the familiar female voice you've
Speaker 1: heard on the past few episodes, A quest love supreme.
Speaker 3: Yes, Layah. She's officially part of our family now of
Speaker 3: our show, the growing Yeah, the team grows. Uh, I
Speaker 3: figured that we need uh sorry, what's brass? I've known
Speaker 3: this lady.
Speaker 1: Since she since we were young and uh wait since
Speaker 1: she was that No, you know she's my my comrade
Speaker 1: from Philadelphia. Uh no, you're f Philly, thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now I'm already regretting this. This this is welcome, like
Speaker 3: yea Saint Clair.
Speaker 6: Yes, sorry, I'm not good with compliments.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to give you a nickname. Well, she
Speaker 3: used to be Lady La Yah on Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: It was just like, where do you see a lady?
Speaker 6: Where was she at?
Speaker 3: Were you not?
Speaker 7: Lady?
Speaker 6: Like's like two thousand syllables.
Speaker 3: So what was your club name?
Speaker 4: What was.
Speaker 6: Like the other chip? But like, you know, no, this
Speaker 6: just seems like it's going to get me in trouble.
Speaker 3: Later worked in the daytime.
Speaker 6: No, you don't make no money in the daytime at
Speaker 6: the strip club.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, because you have to think, like what kind
Speaker 3: of person goes to the strip club?
Speaker 6: This is the gold club right right?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying because you actually I fell
Speaker 1: it's and realized, Oh ship, I just.
Speaker 3: Wait, are we still on the air right now? Yeah,
Speaker 3: we are still on the air. We've been yanked off
Speaker 3: the air.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I went to college.
Speaker 3: Everybody. Yeah, I was going to say, let's let's play
Speaker 3: in a different picture of Laya.
Speaker 9: I've been working with Laya behind the scenes for several
Speaker 9: weeks now. She's very very smart, very intelligent. We are
Speaker 9: blessed to have ya No, no, no, no, no, let
Speaker 9: me okay, you're just saying I'm lying, Well, yeah that
Speaker 9: she's not.
Speaker 1: Pleasant now Liyas is actually uh Philadelphia radio h Royalty.
Speaker 1: She's been You've been on radio in Philadelphia for least.
Speaker 6: Eleven since I was eleven years No, I knew you
Speaker 6: since you were twelve. No, I just don't want them
Speaker 6: to know that I'm old. But yeah, that's fine. I've
Speaker 6: been on listen. I was on the radio for like
Speaker 6: fifteen years.
Speaker 3: Let's just keep it real, okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, you've
Speaker 3: done a great job. That's why you're here.
Speaker 10: I just want to mention y'all said something about Source
Speaker 10: magazine not being valid, but it's still valid in twenty
Speaker 10: thirteen and fourteen because I was in the top thirteen radio.
Speaker 10: So as long as that's still going on, Oh wow,
Speaker 10: magazine is still valad. I just I wasn't on the
Speaker 10: radio on twenty fourteen, but they still put me in there.
Speaker 1: So I just want to get him to love shows
Speaker 1: you how much credibility then, I mean, really, he's gonna
Speaker 1: put you on the list. She didn't even got a
Speaker 1: god damn show saying Wow, Pooty don't need no words,
Speaker 1: Pooty don't need no meals, Pooty don't need no radio show.
Speaker 3: Pooty No what Pooty do? Yo?
Speaker 1: Why I just found out that Lewis c K he
Speaker 1: wrote and directed. Wow, I did that is these movies?
Speaker 1: It should have want oscars. Pooty shouldn't want to fucking.
Speaker 8: Pooty jang Oscar and Clifton File should get a Lifetime
Speaker 8: Achieving Award DC.
Speaker 1: Clifton Power. Dude, he's black excellence. Like he's one of
Speaker 1: those black actors. He was a black father. He's a
Speaker 1: black father. But then he'll turn around and like he'll
Speaker 1: be in fucking Star.
Speaker 3: Wars like he worked. He just be working Star Wars
Speaker 3: and he was in he wasn't the Star Wars. But
Speaker 3: he'll be in like some big budget like Minister Society,
Speaker 3: and then he'll be he.
Speaker 8: Was in his society. But then his greatest role I
Speaker 8: think was Pinky in Next Friday. He really just really
Speaker 8: there was a rich emotional tap just really fine.
Speaker 3: I mean fine time out front?
Speaker 2: Can we.
Speaker 3: Now I have to analyze you.
Speaker 1: How like the sponge that is your brain and the
Speaker 1: information that it retains. I said that it is an
Speaker 1: amazing You might need to be the guest next week.
Speaker 6: Is that like no weed influence? Like seriously, is that
Speaker 6: no weed influence?
Speaker 3: No? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I would just since I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I just been able to just kind of retain some reading.
Speaker 1: I mean, I smoke, but I'm not I'm not a smoker.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, I'll do it in the gathering.
Speaker 1: If like y'all got one, Hell yeah, we're going in.
Speaker 1: It's a celebration.
Speaker 8: Oh no, I don't really smoke, no wheed like that
Speaker 8: because it's just it just it kills my productivity. And
Speaker 8: it was just one episode I had.
Speaker 1: Where I was driving back from the White House high
Speaker 1: and the road started Chris crasing, So I told God,
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing that shit no moment. Well, wait, I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask you something because this is what I learned.
Speaker 1: Haven't recently just visited uh Maui where the speed limit
Speaker 1: the average speed limit thirty five? Oh shit, thirty five.
Speaker 1: Like it would be like something where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so where's the whole food that they'll be like, oh
Speaker 1: it's eight miles away.
Speaker 3: You'll get there and like uh forty minutes. Wow yeah,
Speaker 3: and you gotta drive thirty five.
Speaker 1: And the logic was that it stops uh drunk driving
Speaker 1: uh incidents. But the thing is, I'm like keep saying,
Speaker 1: if you're inebriated, good one. If you're inebriated, Uh, will
Speaker 1: you see that thirty five.
Speaker 3: Predominant?
Speaker 1: Like will yeah see that I don't know, but if
Speaker 1: you're driving slow, like, won't that put your life at
Speaker 1: risk more?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 8: The one time I did it, it was uh and
Speaker 8: that was it. Like that shit scared the shit out
Speaker 8: of me, dude. And that's another reason, like drugs actually
Speaker 8: really like scared me. So that one experience, it was
Speaker 8: me and a girl I was seeing at the time,
Speaker 8: and we were smoking, just smoking, like just smoking, just
Speaker 8: for fucking smoking, and we.
Speaker 3: Had a damnt and we was doing it. That was
Speaker 3: like seven smokings.
Speaker 8: Man, We was just smoking and she was actually I
Speaker 8: mean to bring it all home to Electric Lady. This
Speaker 8: was after one of your fam artists that you here
Speaker 8: produced had finished her sophomore album, so we were kind
Speaker 8: of celebrating that she was had finished.
Speaker 3: She related to that artist.
Speaker 1: Wasn't related, Oh god, no, it wasn't her. I know
Speaker 1: you're talking about it wasn't related, But was it related? No,
Speaker 1: re doubt disrespect to that person, but I maybe now
Speaker 1: I wasn't here, but but now we were hanging and
Speaker 1: so she had it on the on the pipe and
Speaker 1: you know, man, I just I mean where I'm from,
Speaker 1: pipes mean crack so smoking off a pipe just felt
Speaker 1: real crackish to me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: But I was like, I mean, whatever, we're doing it.
Speaker 8: So I was smoking it off the pipe and it
Speaker 8: is real pure. So I was like, damn on Hunger's hell,
Speaker 8: we need to go to the guy in the White House.
Speaker 8: And so I drove to the waffle House and we
Speaker 8: went to the waffle house on a This was a Saturday.
Speaker 1: Night, and I remember sitting there and the high just
Speaker 1: came over me. I'm waiting on my food, and you
Speaker 1: know my thing with food, Like I remember my my
Speaker 1: dude who was took our joint. He had a jail
Speaker 1: tat named tap Daddy. And when I saw the jail tat,
Speaker 1: I knew, not for real, I'm not making this shit up, dude,
Speaker 1: And so I knew then.
Speaker 3: You know, that was one for my hypothesis that I
Speaker 3: knew the food was gonna be great because fell In
Speaker 3: cook the best food, right. I mean, like, if it
Speaker 3: ain't at least Prodigies shout out the Prodigies prison book.
Speaker 1: Yo, No, if you ain't got at least two feelings
Speaker 1: in your if you ain't got at least two felons in.
Speaker 3: Your restaurant, the food is gonna be shitty.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have at least one person to
Speaker 1: a black family that has a black disease just cooking.
Speaker 1: Like if your grandma ain't got the speedbag on her arm,
Speaker 1: I don't want her dinner.
Speaker 3: I don't want her feeling. It's not gonna be good. No, it's.
Speaker 1: Person with a arms with black disease, such as the
Speaker 1: gallay bag is not a disease.
Speaker 6: It's just like what happens to women when they it's
Speaker 6: called wings, you know.
Speaker 3: Noah, it's it's I mean it's wings in it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: chicken wings. You got damn mini.
Speaker 1: So no bag is way better than come on, you
Speaker 1: need this, you got the speed bag. But anyway, So anyway,
Speaker 1: so it's it's felling cooking my chicken and eggs.
Speaker 3: I know she's gonna be amazing. So I'm sitting here
Speaker 3: and the high is just keeping coming down on me.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's Saturday night and the police is out there,
Speaker 1: and the girl ontle bit. By the time she so
Speaker 1: got damn high, she didnet fell asleep. She nodding off
Speaker 1: like the goddamn dope fiend lean looking like bubbles from
Speaker 1: the wine shit.
Speaker 8: So so I'm just like, yo, this is bad. So
Speaker 8: I tell her to just go get in the cars.
Speaker 8: They just go get in the car and just just
Speaker 8: go to sleep. So the police is out there cause
Speaker 8: they cause, you know, it's like the fucking club. So man,
Speaker 8: I finally get the food and I'm walking out and
Speaker 8: the police is looking at me. I'm just like, dude,
Speaker 8: I'm looking at a duy.
Speaker 3: Do it in the place truck. And I had to
Speaker 3: put the key in my car. This was before.
Speaker 1: This was like when I was a really broke nigga,
Speaker 1: and like I didn't have the remote control open key
Speaker 1: I had. I had the whole school, like you gotta
Speaker 1: get the clan, enjoy the Latin turn.
Speaker 3: Man. That was the most concentrated shit I had to
Speaker 3: do about life.
Speaker 7: And I got it.
Speaker 8: And you know, I remember driving home and man, the
Speaker 8: road started goddamn zig zaggy man, and I just said
Speaker 8: to myself, I was like, God, if you let me
Speaker 8: get home, I will never get this high again.
Speaker 3: And I made it home and I busted down them
Speaker 3: chicken and eggs and I never busted down. I never
Speaker 3: got that high again. That was it, man, So wow,
Speaker 3: that was it. I got contact from.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that coffee tall looks.
Speaker 11: You should just move to walking distance from the wildflouse
Speaker 11: then you can get high.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 1: Research every time I go there, I try to figure out, uh,
Speaker 1: because I know there's they claim that there's a million
Speaker 1: plus combinations of the hash browns.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can get them scattered some other covered chunk
Speaker 8: cap you can get them with chili.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I I mean I know
Speaker 3: the menu pretty well. No, but there's a scientific there's
Speaker 3: a scientific number combination that says that, uh, it's one
Speaker 3: mill it's one million plus different conferent combinations. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: get everything my mind. Oh you what you get on yours?
Speaker 3: What on your cheese? And everything to I go full throttle.
Speaker 3: Oh damn, but I only do like a quarter of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know I'm one of those like I'm in
Speaker 1: the the god the am I about to make this
Speaker 1: reference the Ron Pearlman face in my life? Oh he
Speaker 1: orders everything and this does a little bit of each
Speaker 1: thing and then leaves, which it's that's probably the worst
Speaker 1: thing I could say, like because there's this unspoken rule
Speaker 1: that we can't waste.
Speaker 8: Food and then but then but see wilfle House they
Speaker 8: done upgraded a formula bro. So now wait what they
Speaker 8: done upgrade at the formula They messed with it.
Speaker 1: Nah they brother, So now what they used to they
Speaker 1: used to just have the regular waffles, just the regular
Speaker 1: I got the oh, but now they got the peaking.
Speaker 3: But now they got the new joint they do. They'll
Speaker 3: do you a strawberry waffer.
Speaker 8: They put a little strawberry like little something some cancer
Speaker 8: crossing ship they put in there and they just cook
Speaker 8: it up and it tastes fucking amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh boy, Wow, we really do need to
Speaker 3: go to wilf House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be after that cancer comment. We really
Speaker 2: need to go. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was that.
Speaker 8: Did you see that story about the girls that was
Speaker 8: got the waffle house? I don't think they got to
Speaker 8: shut down. They were fired the girls that was doing
Speaker 8: hair in the white house. Wait what this is true?
Speaker 8: There was a did you get your hair died? Well
Speaker 8: they were doing it. It was like it was somewhere
Speaker 8: in Atlanta. I want to say a shot shot they
Speaker 8: were doing shot totally shot. They were doing hair, washing
Speaker 8: hair in the waffle house.
Speaker 6: There are so many world Star videos a by waffle
Speaker 6: house fights.
Speaker 10: It's a lot, a lot's go down because it's twenty
Speaker 10: four hours.
Speaker 3: It's twenty four hours. But I got a imagine they
Speaker 3: only make I'm sure, like their.
Speaker 8: Profit margins are the highest from the hours of like
Speaker 8: twelve midnight to like three four in the morning, like
Speaker 8: eating waffle house. Much like you wonder about the guy
Speaker 8: that goes to the strip club during the day.
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, dude, because like if you go eating
Speaker 1: waffle House during the day, like for you, a goddamn savage.
Speaker 3: Wait is more for the day wait time time out, really,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Because because for us, like when we was coming up,
Speaker 1: waffle House was club. It was after the club. Food,
Speaker 1: it was after the club. It's late night you go,
Speaker 1: and that's what it is now. I will say during
Speaker 1: the morning, like if morning I'm with you, we would
Speaker 1: we would hit it. Sometimes when I land, before I
Speaker 1: go to the hotel, I go to waffle House like
Speaker 1: I eat daytime.
Speaker 6: You go to the strip club in a daytime too, though, So.
Speaker 3: No I don't.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So let's let's dial back via the food
Speaker 1: talk a bit here, guys, and get a little serious.
Speaker 3: At least in line with our guest today who is
Speaker 3: a comedian. I feel it's probably one of the more,
Speaker 3: probably one of the most unique storytellers in comedy, because
Speaker 3: his level of comedy isn't just like why did the
Speaker 3: Chicken across the Road? Like?
Speaker 1: It's not just like set up punchline, set up punchline like.
Speaker 1: He tells these stories of his life and they're the
Speaker 1: most hilarious.
Speaker 3: Thing ever, except they're all like real.
Speaker 1: They're the most painful, realist, most insecure, most pie in
Speaker 1: the face, you know, self deprecating stories I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: But the way he delivers it makes it so relatable,
Speaker 1: makes him so likable.
Speaker 3: And he's made two.
Speaker 1: Movies that I really feel that are important, I guess
Speaker 1: for artists to like and people that aren't into art.
Speaker 3: They speak to all areas of life.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of a Sleepwalk with Me and I'm speaking
Speaker 1: of his newest film, Don't Think Twice. And our guest
Speaker 1: is Mike Verbiglia, and he's coming up in the next segment.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for Mike Burbiglia.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, Welcome to Quest Love Supres. How's it going.
Speaker 7: I'm good, I'm good. I'm uh, I'm I'm psyched that
Speaker 7: you like the movie. And I was just I was
Speaker 7: talking to Bill before him because he I ran into
Speaker 7: him a few months ago, and I was telling him
Speaker 7: about the movie.
Speaker 3: Not to be confused with boss Ball, okay, and.
Speaker 7: I ran into you at I'm forgetting the name of
Speaker 7: the place Barrell Yeah and uh. And he was in
Speaker 7: a group for many years.
Speaker 2: I was in a group. I still I guess. I
Speaker 2: still am in a group called Freestyle of Supreme sounds
Speaker 2: a lot like Quest Surprises a Bound, So I played it.
Speaker 2: I played and still play. I guess in a hip
Speaker 2: hop improv comedy group where we get suggestions from the
Speaker 2: audience to make up hip hop tunes. And the people
Speaker 2: who are in the group are the people that went
Speaker 2: on sort of to create Hamilton the musical. They are
Speaker 2: Lynn Miranda and Chris Jackson and Dove Diggs and all
Speaker 2: the guys who are in that are in the same group.
Speaker 2: And Mike reminded me that we were at the same
Speaker 2: Aspen Comedy Festival together once many.
Speaker 7: Was that a Battle of the no I was just
Speaker 7: doing stand up and these guys were doing freestyle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know each other, but.
Speaker 7: Then a few months ago I ran into these guys
Speaker 7: because I did something with Lynn Miranda a couple of
Speaker 7: years ago, and I was like, hey, I didn't know Bill.
Speaker 7: I was like, hey, Lynn, I think you'll like this
Speaker 7: movie I made. It's probably a little bit like your life.
Speaker 7: Little did I know that it was, and Bill was
Speaker 7: part of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I watched the movie today, Don't Think Twice an
Speaker 2: incredible film and.
Speaker 4: Was and.
Speaker 2: That's a whole lot like my life straight up.
Speaker 7: And what a meir. You and I were texting last night.
Speaker 7: Who do you relate to most in the movie?
Speaker 1: I mean, in the beginning, I thought I was Jack,
Speaker 1: but then I thought then I thought maybe I was
Speaker 1: your character, Miles. Yeah, because what I don't want to
Speaker 1: be is I don't want to be the character that
Speaker 1: doesn't realize that the party's over and the lights are out.
Speaker 3: Can we kind of give them an overview?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah. So the gist of it is like, it's
Speaker 7: a movie about a bunch of best friends in like
Speaker 7: an improv comedy group, and they've been together for years
Speaker 7: and then one of them gets a chance to be
Speaker 7: on like a Saturday night Live type of show, and
Speaker 7: the rest of them don't. And it's about That's why
Speaker 7: we're talking about in relation to breakups, because it's what
Speaker 7: happens when not everybody makes it in the same way
Speaker 7: like Michael, like Michael Jackson for example, Wait side.
Speaker 1: Note, because I'm gonna I'm gonna interrupt with small, meaningless
Speaker 1: questions here, all right? Similar to Nike's font, Yeah, does
Speaker 1: does Broadway Video own that Weekend Live?
Speaker 3: Funt?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 7: They don't know that font? That fun?
Speaker 3: How did you guys master that fund? Because that was
Speaker 3: fun impressive that font.
Speaker 7: We went through fonts and were like, yeah, that's similar
Speaker 7: to sarent.
Speaker 9: Live, but it's not the same, okay, And it's funny
Speaker 9: you asked that question because I was wondering the same
Speaker 9: thing while I was watching.
Speaker 3: Well you know what. You were like, Yo, y'all nail
Speaker 3: this perfectly?
Speaker 7: And who was I was over its as Myers one day,
Speaker 7: like when I was in prep for the movie and
Speaker 7: we're doing all the production design stuff. Were're trying to
Speaker 7: make it look like SARENT live. And I was walking
Speaker 7: in to the hallways he you know, Causeth Myers is
Speaker 7: literally down the hall from SNL. I was walking in
Speaker 7: just like taking photos with my phone and the security guard.
Speaker 7: I was like, hey, get out, you can't take photos,
Speaker 7: and I was like, I got what I need?
Speaker 3: And who was your fake dom Pardo? That was me?
Speaker 7: I did you were the Yeah? But like, but what's
Speaker 7: funny about it is and that's what I don't mind
Speaker 7: talking about. It's like if if at Saren life suit us,
Speaker 7: it would be literally the best thing that could have
Speaker 7: ever happen. It's like when Al Frankin wrote that movie,
Speaker 7: that book about fox News, the lying Liars, lies in
Speaker 7: the lying liars that tell them, and then fox News
Speaker 7: sued him, and before that it wasn't on the bestseller list,
Speaker 7: and then because of that it ended up on the
Speaker 7: best So anyway, I'm hoping it's a hit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess for those that have yet to
Speaker 1: see it, I really feel like this could be my
Speaker 1: big fat Greek wedding tortoise in the hair success story,
Speaker 1: little train that could movie. I hope so, because this
Speaker 1: is everyone's story and for me, the bottom line, I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with why people clearly.
Speaker 3: Choose to ruin a good thing?
Speaker 1: Why do they self sabotage like I can name about
Speaker 1: and I'm probably one of them. I can name at
Speaker 1: least thirty people in my life that kind of have.
Speaker 1: If you're familiar with SNL trivia, you know the Final
Speaker 1: Jeopardy where Trebek and Sean Connery are kind of going
Speaker 1: at each other, and you know, Final Jeopardy is like
Speaker 1: the answer is to All you have to say is
Speaker 1: the answers to and then the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: the best analogy right, and then they will say.
Speaker 3: Like Michigan, that's the answer for me.
Speaker 1: The moment where I realized that this wasn't the average
Speaker 1: film was was when uh Jie Gillian's character clearly didn't go,
Speaker 1: you know, to the audition to become a star, which
Speaker 1: he clearly could have been one.
Speaker 3: And I mean, how.
Speaker 1: How did you even have the insight to go into
Speaker 1: that psychological level where to know that happens.
Speaker 7: I feel like I know a lot of people who've
Speaker 7: done that over the years, who have like who you're like,
Speaker 7: you know how there's always the people you're like, yeah,
Speaker 7: Eddie Murphy's good, but the real guy was always like
Speaker 7: the real guy was this other dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah. For every Jordan on the court, there's
Speaker 3: like seven other and one that could have. Yeah.
Speaker 8: That was the thing that was like the joke was,
Speaker 8: how did Eddie Murphy end up on Saturday Night Live?
Speaker 8: And because Charlie Burnett couldn't read.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's the actual guy I never named the a
Speaker 7: street performer.
Speaker 8: He was a street performer in DC. And he's the
Speaker 8: guy who pretty much kind of who Chappelle used to watch.
Speaker 8: And he's in DC Cab. I don't know if you've seen,
Speaker 8: I've seen he's in.
Speaker 3: He was like that.
Speaker 8: He's one of the guys DC Cab. But like, I mean,
Speaker 8: drugs everything. But he was a street performer. He died
Speaker 8: in like late eighties, don't want to say, but he
Speaker 8: was like the man, he was the dude, but he
Speaker 8: couldn't read.
Speaker 3: Wow, so you just sabotaged it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's I mean, there's a million guys of the
Speaker 7: seller like that. You guys you see all the time,
Speaker 7: literally the funny student. You're like, how come that person
Speaker 7: is not the most famous comic.
Speaker 1: This is what I learned about at least my five
Speaker 1: years of kind of being the New Yorker and and
Speaker 1: scoping the comedy scene, which I do obsessively more than
Speaker 1: musicians and more than chefs, Like comedians are a strange,
Speaker 1: strange animal I'm now realizing that humor is used as
Speaker 1: a means to deflect what the real problem is going inside.
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that until I started hanging out
Speaker 1: at the cellar regularly. And there's the time period where,
Speaker 1: like I started working for Schumer, she kind.
Speaker 3: Of showed me the ropes. And the thing was, it
Speaker 3: was at the very beginning of her slow rise.
Speaker 1: By that point, she was just doing you know, her
Speaker 1: Comedy Central specials, and the show wasn't even thought about then.
Speaker 1: Once the show started to develop, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I would ask her like obsessively, like, Okay, so do
Speaker 1: you feel a pressure now?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you have to bring everyone with you?
Speaker 3: Do you feel as though like you know, yeah?
Speaker 7: And she kind of has.
Speaker 3: I'm amazing.
Speaker 7: It's ridiculous. People she puts on her show. We're in
Speaker 7: the comedy scene.
Speaker 3: She's she's like a more organized allan Iverson.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, how she does Amy Schumer like a more organized.
Speaker 1: Because okay, as a Philadelphian and as the season ticket
Speaker 1: holder to the Sixers, you know, especially during the period
Speaker 1: of allan ivers I've never seen someone like literally carry
Speaker 1: the weight of his family behind that be cousins and
Speaker 1: like he would have cousins in the third tier, extended
Speaker 1: friends in the second tier, family members in the first year,
Speaker 1: like and that's when I learned.
Speaker 3: Like, oh no, I never want to be the person that.
Speaker 1: Has to like you can't take them all with you,
Speaker 1: and so you either are gonna have the crew of
Speaker 1: the posse that you have to take care of, or
Speaker 1: you roll by yourself. Now I personally choose to roll
Speaker 1: by myself, to the chagrine of a lot of people
Speaker 1: in my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it's you know, damned if you do,
Speaker 3: damn it if you don't. But you know, I.
Speaker 1: Can't figure out how like at the Comedy Celler, at
Speaker 1: least can you explain what the what that environment is
Speaker 1: like there?
Speaker 7: When I started at the Cellar, it was in like
Speaker 7: two thousand and two, and it actually was I think
Speaker 7: much even tougher then, Like it was like Colin Quinn.
Speaker 7: It was around the time Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn
Speaker 7: was on Comedy Central. So it was like Colin Quinn
Speaker 7: and Nick DePaolo, Greg Giraldo and Patrese, who was like
Speaker 7: do you know Patrise, I mean like Pres O'Neill's you know,
Speaker 7: one of the.
Speaker 3: Greats and like.
Speaker 7: Just I mean, those guys were tough on each other.
Speaker 7: Like Patrice could make you want to crawl under a ross. No,
Speaker 7: he used to how he addressed you, big head, Leah,
Speaker 7: you got the biggest head that literally he would do
Speaker 7: that for a half hour. He was he was a
Speaker 7: mean guy. But but yeah, I know. So there's a
Speaker 7: lot of like survival and and people going at each other.
Speaker 7: And I was, I mean, I never thrived in that environment.
Speaker 7: I mean, I I still play there. I love the Cellar,
Speaker 7: but like I never you know, I never got into
Speaker 7: that culture.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying I'm noticing in at least the New
Speaker 1: York comedy world, there's three avenues you can choose uh
Speaker 1: kind of above uh twenty third Street, like sort of
Speaker 1: like to midtown Manhattan. I don't know if like what
Speaker 1: you would call that area, but that's where like more
Speaker 1: mainstream comedy is. And Okay, I don't know if people
Speaker 1: necessarily aspire to be there. I would think that those
Speaker 1: that kind of thrive at that.
Speaker 3: Particular strip could also play Vegas.
Speaker 7: The Carolines.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you would call like a David
Speaker 3: Brenner type or that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But then over in Brooklyn, Yeah, I'm discovering little Field
Speaker 1: Union Hall, alternative house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of the snobby millennials. And then there's that's.
Speaker 7: What I like. But it's I like to performing there.
Speaker 7: But it's just like performing for your friends. So you're
Speaker 7: doing stand up.
Speaker 3: There's no there's no challenge, no challenge to it at all.
Speaker 7: It's it's like people like minded people. And that's why
Speaker 7: I like The Seller is great because it's like a
Speaker 7: lot of tourists, it's people from all over the place.
Speaker 7: It's just like it's it's actually hard to kill at
Speaker 7: the Seller. Really, it's pretty hard unless you're really feeling
Speaker 7: like if you're Schumer or you're as He's like you're
Speaker 7: famous and people are psyched that you're there.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 1: Do you think people come there to sort of stargaze
Speaker 1: and I think that's yeah, there's a lot of just
Speaker 1: hoping for that night that Louis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, does that also?
Speaker 1: Does that think for a bad set for you? Like
Speaker 1: has someone ever just butted in line, like oh, Eddie
Speaker 1: Murphy wants to do and then.
Speaker 3: Like you have to go on afterwards or.
Speaker 7: I remember I was on stage once for two minutes
Speaker 7: and I got the light and I'm like, what the fuck.
Speaker 7: I look over and it's Robin Williams.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when Patch Adams want to get on, we
Speaker 1: got missed out for coming up.
Speaker 3: You gotta just cut that short.
Speaker 7: I was so mad, though I was good, you know,
Speaker 7: it's twenty five or whatever. I had an attitude. I
Speaker 7: thought I was better than I was. I was like, fuck,
Speaker 7: Robin Williams, who's that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 8: Walked off one of the things with your movie Man
Speaker 8: another movie I kind of saw parallel, So I don't
Speaker 8: know if you saw it inside.
Speaker 7: Lewin Davis, Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8: It very much reminded me of that, just in the
Speaker 8: sense of you have a person where you just realize
Speaker 8: what do you do with the realization that it's just
Speaker 8: not gonna happen, and you just have those characters. It's
Speaker 8: just like, look, dude, I know you thought you were
Speaker 8: that guy, but you're not that fucking guy. Have you
Speaker 8: ever felt like that?
Speaker 3: I mean, first, I think you're very funny. Why did
Speaker 3: you make yourself that character? Yeah?
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 3: Not for real, because in my head I thought you
Speaker 3: were gonna be the chosen one.
Speaker 7: I thought no, and I my buddy, you know, your Matakone. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's a buddy who wrote for us and l for
Speaker 7: a lot of years, and he gave notes in the
Speaker 7: script and he's a friend of mine, and he he
Speaker 7: was like, you gotta play Jack. And I was like,
Speaker 7: you gotta play Keegan's character. And I was like, no, No,
Speaker 7: I'm not talented enough to play You don't understand, like
Speaker 7: you need somebody who is so good that they're undeniable
Speaker 7: and on the screen you're like, when you're watching, you're like, oh,
Speaker 7: it's gotta be him, because that's the guy who would
Speaker 7: get it, because Keagan would have gotten it had he
Speaker 7: not gone to Mad TV. You got asked to do
Speaker 7: Mad TV before US, and no, Wow, So then what
Speaker 7: good for his life? Because then that's where he met
Speaker 7: Jordan Peel and they made one of the greatest sketch
Speaker 7: comedy shows.
Speaker 3: Of all time, I think, but talk about and Michael Key.
Speaker 7: Yeah, kee and Michael Key. But uh but yeah. So
Speaker 7: that's why I played Miles, which is the bitter guy,
Speaker 7: which is I don't I'm not like Miles.
Speaker 3: But I also I'm.
Speaker 7: Pretty good at wearing bitterness.
Speaker 3: You're petty.
Speaker 7: I just I don't know if I'm I don't know
Speaker 7: if I'm petty, but like when I do it, people
Speaker 7: believe it.
Speaker 3: We're petty, all right? This is the petty hour question
Speaker 3: of Supreme. Yeah, we're here with Mike Big. Is pettiness
Speaker 3: a positive character trait? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Man, I realized it's wrong, but I can I wear
Speaker 1: proud like like a like a scarlet letter that I'm
Speaker 1: happy about.
Speaker 7: But you're such a son of a bitch if you're petty,
Speaker 7: because there's so many people who are jealous of you,
Speaker 7: and so.
Speaker 1: I want to be like everybody. But I think it's relative.
Speaker 1: The grass is greener on the other side. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: because and that was the thing I like watching the movie.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to say. I mean, I think we
Speaker 1: could preto much tell people what happened. I mean we won't.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't do it, but it's still I think we
Speaker 8: wouldn't be spoiling anything because the way the story is told,
Speaker 8: it's I mean, to me, the magic was in the
Speaker 8: way you told the story, not necessarily in just the
Speaker 8: details themselves. But the thing is, if we're too self
Speaker 8: aware of what character we are, like it's sex in
Speaker 8: the city, and I feel like.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're all miles.
Speaker 1: It's been different parts. I feel like I've been that guy.
Speaker 1: I've been every person at different points in my career.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been every character in that movie.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel we're so lucky.
Speaker 6: I can't wait to be Jack, like I was watching
Speaker 6: that movie, like, I know everybody.
Speaker 9: Struggle, but yet my Jack moments may have not been
Speaker 9: live moments, but even moments where you definitely want more
Speaker 9: so than right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, can I get personal with your situations?
Speaker 3: No cut card over here, baby, let's go all right.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying that who whose character did you
Speaker 1: relate to? I could relate to all of them when
Speaker 1: you watch the film. Did you see your own group
Speaker 1: in this situation?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Okay.
Speaker 8: There were definitely moments and not necessarily in the group
Speaker 8: between me, Pool and Ninth, you know, for you know,
Speaker 8: just to give them back story.
Speaker 3: I was in a group called Little Brother.
Speaker 1: A very influential group that kind of you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of the today's mega you know, mega winners in
Speaker 1: the hip hop game always referred to as like one
Speaker 1: of their favorite groups.
Speaker 3: Definitely one of my favorite groups.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's why he's here because we love the
Speaker 1: ship out a little brother when he came out and.
Speaker 3: So thank you man. So the group was me.
Speaker 8: I was an EMC, my partner Big Pool, and I
Speaker 8: produced a ninth Wonder who you know went on to
Speaker 8: produce like major artists jay Z, Beyonce. Uh, I mean,
Speaker 8: just you know do it this really big records. And
Speaker 8: so for me, when me and Poo first started, we
Speaker 8: had the conversation that listen, if you study hip hop,
Speaker 8: you know the producer always goes on to do more,
Speaker 8: and you want that to happen.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: You know your man is talented. You want him to
Speaker 8: go on and go and do and and go forth.
Speaker 8: So between me and him, it was cool when when
Speaker 8: Knife got the jay Z Look, we came up here
Speaker 8: the baseline, met jay Z. I mean that was surreal,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying because I remember being.
Speaker 1: In the dorm with that dude. You came up the baseline. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we mixed the Miser Show on Baseline.
Speaker 3: Wow, we met and we like that.
Speaker 8: One day we met Jay he was just there and
Speaker 8: he played us threats from the Black album and so yeah, man,
Speaker 8: So for me to see that journey of me and
Speaker 8: Knife being in the dorm together and him looking at like,
Speaker 8: you know, the Source and us him looking at you know,
Speaker 8: executive Bruce by DJ Premier, and I'm saying, like, yo, man,
Speaker 8: one day I'm gonna have that executive producer ninth wander
Speaker 8: Like that's gonna be me to see him go from
Speaker 8: that to you know, jay Z. That was amazing to me,
Speaker 8: and I wasn't I couldn't have been happier for him.
Speaker 8: Where the disconnect was was in a lot of people
Speaker 8: in our camp that really felt like we left them behind,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, and felt that, Okay, well
Speaker 8: the Knife, if you did it with Jay, why didn't
Speaker 8: you do it for me and this person, this person,
Speaker 8: this person, this person, And it's kind of like what
Speaker 8: you were saying, you know, you can't save everybody. And
Speaker 8: so for me, my moment where I kind of felt
Speaker 8: that Jack moment was then when Minstrel Show, when we
Speaker 8: got you know, four and a half mics in the source.
Speaker 3: At the time, the source was still kind of.
Speaker 1: Right now, four and a half mice is four and
Speaker 1: a half mic, Yeah, yeah, you know, you got four
Speaker 1: and a half mics, and so which was the perfect
Speaker 1: five was what you could get, but it was a
Speaker 1: really reputable rating. So that was my I guess my
Speaker 1: jack moment where I had my uh the girl that
Speaker 1: left the Samantha Samantha, she's the one that didn't go to.
Speaker 8: Gill Okay where I had my gillion moment and not
Speaker 8: necessarily a self sabotaged moment, but just where you know,
Speaker 8: the scene where she was like, yo, I'm good in
Speaker 8: the world. You know, that was kind of when Drake happened,
Speaker 8: because that was when everybody was like, yo, hey, you
Speaker 8: Drake is the dude that you influenced. He big, Drake
Speaker 8: was biging me up. Oh take my favorite rapper and
Speaker 8: all this shit. And it was just like people were like, yo, man,
Speaker 8: you could come and you could do him, and you
Speaker 8: need to come for Drake. He stole your styliness. And
Speaker 8: I was just like, dude, listen, Oh they.
Speaker 3: Want you to come fromhim. Oh my god, are you serious? Dude?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought, see, I know battling, No, I know, battling
Speaker 1: is a thing in hip hop, but I'm always like,
Speaker 1: that's pity that would be I thought like it was
Speaker 1: a thing of like work with Drake, it was. It
Speaker 1: was work with dra It started as like work with Drake,
Speaker 1: but then there's always that small candure of people that.
Speaker 3: Are like, nah, you need to come and we want
Speaker 3: you to you know, we want you to do it
Speaker 3: because you could be the man.
Speaker 8: And so my thing was just like, look, man, kind
Speaker 8: of like with that character, I'm good where I am
Speaker 8: if I My whole theory is like, look, if you're
Speaker 8: gonna pull a coupe and try to throw over the government, right, Okay,
Speaker 8: if you're gonna replace throw that dude out, then the
Speaker 8: government that you put in place needs to be as
Speaker 8: good or better than the government you out did.
Speaker 3: Else the people gonna come for your fucking head next,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So my thing is like, look, dude, I'm not done
Speaker 1: to quote unquote come for uh you know, Drake or whoever,
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3: Serve his audience the way that he is.
Speaker 1: I'm not about to hop on fifty eleven goddamn remixes
Speaker 1: with the hot drug dealer nigga of the moment do
Speaker 1: this and do the audun like and I'm not knocking that,
Speaker 1: but I ain't gonna do that shit. Man at thirty
Speaker 1: six years old, nigga.
Speaker 3: You serious. I really had no clue.
Speaker 1: I like, maybe you do a record like Kanye did
Speaker 1: this record with y'all. Yeah, we did a record like
Speaker 1: way back Yeah, I mean, and we may do one
Speaker 1: in the future.
Speaker 3: I don't know. You did a record with Drake? We
Speaker 3: did we had back in the day.
Speaker 1: We did a record with him like that would be
Speaker 1: back in the I guess it betray your movie. It
Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of we did Sleep on Right
Speaker 1: to Sleep Right, but then once the ship really.
Speaker 3: Popped, we didn't, you know, do nothing Post Oranges the.
Speaker 2: New Black.
Speaker 3: Big temp did he He was the new phone? Who
Speaker 3: is phone? What's good? Man?
Speaker 2: My fault?
Speaker 3: So now that was my moment. Man, I it really
Speaker 3: hit a chord with me.
Speaker 8: So for me, I'm just in a place whereas many
Speaker 8: with with I really related to that character Gillion, because
Speaker 8: I think she and I wanted to ask you about
Speaker 8: that man, Because to me, I didn't see it as
Speaker 8: sabotaged by her not going I talked I would again.
Speaker 8: I looked at it as a person knowing their own
Speaker 8: limitations and just knowing, like you know what, I know
Speaker 8: I could do this, but if I do this, I'm
Speaker 8: gonna suck it up, so let me just not like,
Speaker 8: I don't have it in me to do this.
Speaker 3: That was that was my interpretation of it.
Speaker 6: Or she just didn't want it. She didn't want it.
Speaker 7: I think she didn't.
Speaker 6: She just didn't want it.
Speaker 10: She didn't She felt like it was a sellout moment.
Speaker 10: She said about like she was like compromising.
Speaker 3: Sound good on this, lily Pad, Like I'm good on this,
Speaker 3: lily Pad. I'm really straight.
Speaker 6: I know you don't like this.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying it's selling out real. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think selling out is real.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's no more. I don't think it exists.
Speaker 3: Oh if y'all could just see no.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait wait, because right now we're on radio,
Speaker 1: so no one can see. I've never collectively see. I've
Speaker 1: never collectively seen like all these teeth look at me
Speaker 1: like scratching their head. Is selling out real?
Speaker 7: I think it is, y I think it is.
Speaker 3: I think it is, But I don't think it.
Speaker 9: I mean, back in the eighties and the nineties, when
Speaker 9: you know, no Cell was this whole big thing real, Yeah,
Speaker 9: when that whole thing was around, it was it was.
Speaker 9: It was a different kind of situation because I don't
Speaker 9: even know why I'm talking to I don't know where I'm.
Speaker 3: Going with this.
Speaker 1: No, but no opportunities weren't there the opportunities like ll
Speaker 1: like LL he would say, like, you know, back in
Speaker 1: the day, we would say, yo, fucking doing the movies
Speaker 1: and fucking doing this because we never thought it was
Speaker 1: possible to.
Speaker 3: But then happened exactly, and then he in the house,
Speaker 3: so you know what I mean, Like it's in the house.
Speaker 3: This is all right. Look, no, I don't be out either.
Speaker 1: But let's let's take a cat like Miles Davis, who
Speaker 1: has constantly made a career out of, uh building a
Speaker 1: house and burning it down. Okay, I mean, he's totally
Speaker 1: defined what jazz music is at least four or five times,
Speaker 1: which is impossible, Like some people are lucky to change
Speaker 1: music once, let alone five times. But then there was
Speaker 1: a point where, uh, when I was reading his book
Speaker 1: and just studying like a lot of his uh uh
Speaker 1: late sixties mid seventies performances, where he you know, turned
Speaker 1: this back to the audience, and you know, he had
Speaker 1: this sort of uh wishy washy uh kind of middle
Speaker 1: finger attitude towards his audience. And initially, of course, growing up,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh man, that's cool, like you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, he stands for something, he stands for principles.
Speaker 1: But there's a period where I just started reading so
Speaker 1: many psychology books and whatever, and then I realized, like.
Speaker 3: Uh, you're scared of rejection. So it's like me before
Speaker 3: you can Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm gonna reject you first
Speaker 3: before years like eight Mile the fucking Bunny Rabbit Ship. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I don't I don't. I think that that the
Speaker 3: idea of I'm not saying that integrity is not real.
Speaker 1: But if we were really artists, artists with the Athian
Speaker 1: or you know, slash, if we were all, we all
Speaker 1: be performing free on the streets.
Speaker 3: Like all of us in this room are business people,
Speaker 3: whether we admit it.
Speaker 6: Or no, to be able to get the energy to perform.
Speaker 3: So I think that I don't know, I just I
Speaker 3: don't believe in selling out.
Speaker 1: I'm not using that this excuse like okay, well, whoever
Speaker 1: has the next big check, I'm there for it.
Speaker 10: Like I.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess I turned down the biggest check of
Speaker 1: my life like two weeks ago because.
Speaker 3: I didn't believe in what I was being paid to you.
Speaker 1: I guess you got to understand the difference, right, It's
Speaker 1: like there's selling out and cashing in, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, I'm not selling out, I'm cashing in.
Speaker 1: So it's like to me, cashing in is like, look,
Speaker 1: if I'm questlove or if I'm unpaid bill, if I
Speaker 1: got if y'all motherfuckers is willing to give me a
Speaker 1: check to do what it is I already do that
Speaker 1: I love doing.
Speaker 7: That's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm getting paid for what the fuck I do,
Speaker 1: But if you ask me to change up the way
Speaker 1: I do exactly. For instance, for example, like Premiere, like
Speaker 1: me and you know, we were talking DJ Premiere legendary
Speaker 1: DJ one half gangst all that he had an opportunity.
Speaker 8: He was telling me he had an opportunity to do
Speaker 8: the Grammys with Janet. This is back in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah together again. Yeah, she had.
Speaker 1: He had the chance to perform on it with her.
Speaker 1: But they wanted him to act like he was DJing.
Speaker 3: It wasn't live. They wanted to pull a fat boy
Speaker 3: slim yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: They wanted him to be fucking lip DJ in so
Speaker 1: she wanted the credibility factor. Yeah, she wanted the credibility,
Speaker 1: but he was like, but she wanted you know, I
Speaker 1: mean it's pop so everything is synchronized to the minute.
Speaker 3: And he was trying to tell her like, look, I
Speaker 3: can do it live. This is what I do.
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna suck up, and she was just like, look,
Speaker 8: I can't leave it a chance. So he was walked
Speaker 8: away from the gig. So to me, like I would
Speaker 8: I would have did it because you.
Speaker 7: Do that.
Speaker 6: I'll do it now.
Speaker 3: I've done soul training, I've done won't you. But I think,
Speaker 3: but I think with you man on next week's show.
Speaker 1: I think with you man, you like twenty thirty years
Speaker 1: in the game, so your creat is solidified.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 1: But that's that's overthinking the situation. And that's the number
Speaker 1: one thing that self saboteurs do. They overthink. If you
Speaker 1: knew the amount of hours I've wound up in the
Speaker 1: hospital myself trying to take care of other saboteurs.
Speaker 3: No, I'm no, not not bullshitting you. The amount of
Speaker 3: talking them off the lege.
Speaker 1: I say, my number one quote for if there was
Speaker 1: some sort of like tally of all a mere quotes
Speaker 1: for the year.
Speaker 3: I'm certain that, dude, you're overthinking it.
Speaker 1: I have to say that so many times to people
Speaker 1: just to get them down to the first floor again,
Speaker 1: because once they it inside their head, it's no escape
Speaker 1: because the thing is okay, let's let's take premium situation.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: Who would be the judge and a jury that would say,
Speaker 3: oh my yo, Bill Premiere, it's not DJing Live. But again,
Speaker 3: I'm but this is ninety this is no he worked.
Speaker 3: He did that Janet remix?
Speaker 9: Uh was it.
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 3: Ticket? No? No, no, no, no, this is before. I
Speaker 3: don't want to I don't want to be history or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was, like, okay, the earlier, the earlier Janet, the
Speaker 1: even more I would have been like, oh, finally, like
Speaker 1: we made it.
Speaker 3: Like I would have cheered that one of us got in,
Speaker 3: you know, not like oh.
Speaker 1: He's selling out because he's not plugged in, like it's
Speaker 1: it's overthinking.
Speaker 6: It record so he already made it.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, even I'm just saying that whatever
Speaker 1: the situation, if he produced her, didn't produce her, or whatever,
Speaker 1: the whole the whole point of it was that she
Speaker 1: wanted I mean, okay, she was drinking from his milkshake.
Speaker 3: She wanted some of that street cred and I drink
Speaker 3: your milkshake. Yeah, I'm just a straw yo, wait it up.
Speaker 1: Side note, side note, I cannot wait. I cannot wait
Speaker 1: till bunb is a guest on this show. So I
Speaker 1: can see these two out criteria and collection each other
Speaker 1: of movie trivia. Yeah, I think that's overthinking it.
Speaker 3: And a lot of our are artists are artists, they
Speaker 3: kind of just they. But you gotta have a line though,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think like because everyone has a code. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you gotta have a cold man.
Speaker 8: And so my thing is just like again, cashing out
Speaker 8: versus cashing in versus selling out to me is only
Speaker 8: a out move if you do something that is against
Speaker 8: your principles. You know what I'm saying. That's against your
Speaker 8: core principles, whatever they may be. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So you know I will not betray my heart to
Speaker 8: quote you know a famous.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, made this damn room. Oh
Speaker 3: what that is?
Speaker 1: It's quashed up Suprema on Pandora And we're here with
Speaker 1: our guest, comedian Mike brobiglia Uh talking about his latest
Speaker 1: movie don't think twice his amazing movie.
Speaker 7: By the way, can I say the tweet that has.
Speaker 1: Like yes, so right now Mike has discovered Afante's welcome.
Speaker 3: Can you just read like twenty of his KI. A
Speaker 3: lot of it is promo because I promote my record.
Speaker 7: Know no, but I like this promo. But I like it.
Speaker 7: My sophomore solo album, No News Is Good News will
Speaker 7: drop at the top of twenty seventeen. My workload this
Speaker 7: year is too hectic and I want to get it right.
Speaker 7: And I was like, oh, that's really nice. He's like
Speaker 7: leveling with his fans and he's like being on I
Speaker 7: don't know, it's like it's anti promotional because you're actually
Speaker 7: opening up and being like, I'm just a person. I'm
Speaker 7: trying my best.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I gotta keep it real with him. You want
Speaker 8: to get in front of you, just go down a
Speaker 8: few tweets that just scroll scroll.
Speaker 3: I mean I've been chilling lately.
Speaker 1: I've been you know, if you'd caught me, like, oh
Speaker 1: nine ten took a load when I was really going hard.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm a change man. I'm covered in the
Speaker 3: blood of Jesus.
Speaker 7: Who's like the who's like the Samantha, who's the gillions
Speaker 7: character in music? Who's who's like the greatest but never
Speaker 7: floaded live?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Ah, man, you're gonna make me call uh ah, all right,
Speaker 1: just just go to my go to my discocks page.
Speaker 1: Just go to my discocks page. And let's just assume
Speaker 1: that no, let's pick a number and maybe ninety. Of
Speaker 1: anyone I've ever worked with, I'll say this, with the
Speaker 1: exception of jay Z. Jay Z was probably one of
Speaker 1: the rare cats that, like, it was a pleasure to
Speaker 1: work with them. That's why I worked with him, not
Speaker 1: because like I saw like, oh a payday or finally
Speaker 1: like a way out of this crab barrel. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just that, you know the amount of times I've
Speaker 1: had to Jedi mind trick someone, like say, I'm working
Speaker 1: on a song with somebody and I feel as though,
Speaker 1: you know, a particular like the one is where this
Speaker 1: particular thing is. Like battling over where the one is
Speaker 1: is like one of my main arguments with people. So
Speaker 1: it's to the point where I'll just naturally go to
Speaker 1: another count or whatever, just so that they'll, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll contrary and by nature will just go to the
Speaker 1: opposite place until they which is where you want them
Speaker 1: to be anyway, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: With me, I don't want to hear them. Literally.
Speaker 1: My theory is that if the crash symbol and the
Speaker 1: kick go at the same time, that's that's the beginning
Speaker 1: of the sentence.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right. Now here's the thing though, I
Speaker 3: feel like we kind of tarantinoed you in this situation.
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to build up to this movie,
Speaker 1: but it was so powerful. Yeah, no, man, serious, I
Speaker 1: had to talk about it. Yeah, Reglar, I kind of
Speaker 1: want to work backwards because even before don't think twice
Speaker 1: sleep walk with me. Yeah, when I saw it, even then,
Speaker 1: I thought like, oh man, this is awesome my life
Speaker 1: story like because you never, at least with hip hop,
Speaker 1: especially after nineteen ninety seven and music in general, there's
Speaker 1: this dividing line between the winners and the losers, where
Speaker 1: winners are celebrated.
Speaker 3: And the losers are forgotten about or never celebrated.
Speaker 1: To me, it was always good to see the working man,
Speaker 1: the blue collar working man. And you know in that film,
Speaker 1: you drive yourself.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I drive my mom's station wagon around.
Speaker 1: To tell us all the process of driving to your
Speaker 1: own gigs the especially tell me about the comedy condo.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can tell you I stayed.
Speaker 3: So every comedian stays in the comedy condo. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So the comedy condo usually means you'll have a comedy
Speaker 7: club in a town and like Nashville, Tennessee, and let's
Speaker 7: say and like Zany's Comedy Club of not making up
Speaker 7: that name. That's a real club in Nationale. It's pretty good.
Speaker 7: It's a really good club actually, And then the owner
Speaker 7: will be like, well, it's less expensive. If you can
Speaker 7: even imagine this, it's less expensive to buy a condo
Speaker 7: to have all the comedians stay in that condo. Then
Speaker 7: it would be to put them up in hotels. So
Speaker 7: there'll be the club and then to be like the
Speaker 7: comedy condo. And it's like it's always terrible. It's always
Speaker 7: like them some war stories.
Speaker 12: Man, No, just like you just end up in I
Speaker 12: don't know, like like sheets are horrible or yeah, you know,
Speaker 12: it's like yeah show and is it you by yourself
Speaker 12: or like.
Speaker 7: No, you're with like two other comics usually, so you're
Speaker 7: with like the the Nature Act or the in the
Speaker 7: MC and then uh yeah, I mean some of them,
Speaker 7: you know, some of them, You don't, I don't know,
Speaker 7: like I. What happened was is I was working the
Speaker 7: door at the DC Improv when I was in college.
Speaker 7: That's sort of how I broke in. And the first
Speaker 7: guy I ever opened for was Chappelle. Actually, Okay, and.
Speaker 3: So it's really true that he was fourteen.
Speaker 7: Fifteen, Yeah, so he was he was headlining that club.
Speaker 7: I was nineteen. He was like twenty three, twenty four.
Speaker 7: Half Baked was about to come out.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: What was fascinating about meeting Chappelle when he was that
Speaker 7: young is that he was and I I learned this
Speaker 7: trick from him because I do it now, Like people
Speaker 7: come up to me now and they're like, hey, I
Speaker 7: know you're from blah blah blah, and I'm like, I
Speaker 7: have a movie out right now. It's called Don't Think Twice.
Speaker 7: It's down the Street blah blah blah. Because I remember
Speaker 7: saying to Dave Chappelle, like, how do you go to
Speaker 7: a stand up? How do you do this? How do
Speaker 7: you do this? And he was like he would give me.
Speaker 7: He gave me advice, and then he would be like,
Speaker 7: my movie Half Bake's coming out four weeks and it's
Speaker 7: at the EA Street theater down the street and get
Speaker 7: all your friends to go, like there.
Speaker 2: Is you know.
Speaker 7: Chappelle is like, he's like Sam in the movie, but
Speaker 7: he's like Jack also, Like, if you think about it,
Speaker 7: he's got both of those in him. He's got insane
Speaker 7: amounts of integrity. But he also he is he does
Speaker 7: makes a fuck lot of money. He's a real businessman. No,
Speaker 7: you're just gonna shake your head.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, No, I won't say Sam, and I won't
Speaker 3: say Jack.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's Miles think I won't. Oh, I'm sorry forgive me.
Speaker 1: You're right, Sam, he's like Sam. Right, he's definitely Sam.
Speaker 7: He is Sam because he walked away from all that
Speaker 7: money Comedy Central. Yes, but he is like Jack in
Speaker 7: the sense that he's ambitious. He's an ambitious person. You
Speaker 7: don't write like nineteen hours of stand up and not
Speaker 7: be an ambitious person.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't Again, it's the voices I wish
Speaker 1: the world knew, Like I was one of those guys
Speaker 1: that like and I don't. Lately, I've been on this kick,
Speaker 1: like on social media about how important meditation is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean, the only thing I could logically say
Speaker 1: is that you know, if you look at Russell Simmons.
Speaker 3: In the eighties looking like a fifty year old, but see.
Speaker 1: Him now in the early yoga the early aughts, still
Speaker 1: looking like he might be forty nine fifty and he's
Speaker 1: approaching sixties. I wish everyone really knew the addiction and
Speaker 1: the magic of what meditation is and how it can
Speaker 1: really truly save your life. You know, there's a group
Speaker 1: of people in my life that overthink a lot of
Speaker 1: things and.
Speaker 2: Kind of.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's I think it's just the fear
Speaker 3: of failure or the fear of fumbling in public, you know.
Speaker 1: And I know we live in a kind of a
Speaker 1: social media world and whatever, which everything is documented and
Speaker 1: no one wants to, you know, try the process in
Speaker 1: front of the world watching them. But I just feel
Speaker 1: as though crucial the way that the way that was
Speaker 1: explained to me in a way that I truly understood
Speaker 1: how meditation works is of course, they use the MacBook
Speaker 1: pro analogy, which they said, okay, so whenever you get
Speaker 1: the rainbow wheel that you hate and you have like
Speaker 1: ninety five kajillion windows open on Safari, you know, what's
Speaker 1: the thing you do and you're like, well, you either
Speaker 1: forced quit or you reset, and breathing literally.
Speaker 3: Deep breathing literally.
Speaker 1: Slows your mind down and it closes all those windows
Speaker 1: and you make better decisions in life with a clear head,
Speaker 1: like where I am right now, my life with spend
Speaker 1: literally with fourteen.
Speaker 3: I mean, Boss Bill will tell you what a nightmare
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 5: I can latch all that too.
Speaker 1: This is why a thing called Team of Mirror exists
Speaker 1: because logical thinking is out the window with me, because
Speaker 1: I'm busy trying to figure out, like, you know, which
Speaker 1: Wu Tang song is gonna go with which David Byrns
Speaker 1: song at next month's show, Like like that's the stuff
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. So it's I don't know what two
Speaker 1: plus two equals, Like there's some information that I'm gonna lose,
Speaker 1: and there's some information I'll retain and use. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that I really think that meditation is the answer.
Speaker 1: But I know it just sounds so cosmic and weird.
Speaker 1: And the way that your eyebrows are looking at me,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if you're full of shit or not.
Speaker 6: No, no, I'm totally agreeing. I just know it's awesome.
Speaker 10: That's my natural face and it's also like it takes
Speaker 10: sometimes to get to a certain age to get to
Speaker 10: that point. But you're totally right, And I know I
Speaker 10: don't say that to you often.
Speaker 2: But can I ask you a question? Can I ask
Speaker 2: you a question about that? Because we were talking before
Speaker 2: about about being a businessman versus selling out whatever, I
Speaker 2: feel like you you are saying that you're thinking about
Speaker 2: what song is next and whatever, But you're also a
Speaker 2: very like in tune business person. So it's not like
Speaker 2: you're completely vacated the other part of this because you don't.
Speaker 2: You're not just like in your creative world where you
Speaker 2: have noes. You're like, I'm not at all.
Speaker 1: Look the further the furthest I go with business. At least,
Speaker 1: my business thought is to make sure that I generate
Speaker 1: enough business so that my mama don't move into my house.
Speaker 3: So wait, Mike, can we start? I wasn't I wasn't
Speaker 3: kidding when I said that we were tarantinoing this. No, No,
Speaker 3: I want to start with your comic.
Speaker 7: So when I started out, I was working the door
Speaker 7: the comedy DC Improv, and I was opening for guys
Speaker 7: like I said Chappelle and like Brian Reagan Mitch Hebburg,
Speaker 7: David Tael, guys have come in there, you.
Speaker 3: Knew Mitch Hepberg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow.
Speaker 6: What was he like?
Speaker 3: Man Like, how do you come up with so many?
Speaker 7: Just one?
Speaker 3: How?
Speaker 7: You know what he said? He said, I think that
Speaker 7: I think is really wise, which is he thinks that
Speaker 7: people undervalue daydreaming.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: You know, like just just sitting there just like thinking,
Speaker 7: write and step down.
Speaker 3: That's the best life.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of times i'd i'd see Mitch somewhere,
Speaker 7: like i'd I remember opening for him once in Dayton, Ohio,
Speaker 7: That's where I met him, and then like years later
Speaker 7: I run I ran into him like in Montreal at
Speaker 7: festival and he was just like lying backstage before the show,
Speaker 7: listening to music, and it's with his headphones and he's
Speaker 7: just like lying on his back and everybody else is
Speaker 7: like networking talking to each other, and he was just
Speaker 7: like daydreaming like that's what he was all about. So
Speaker 7: people would be like, where does his thoughts come from?
Speaker 7: He's just always kind of lost in his thoughts and
Speaker 7: he'd write down, you know, write down everything.
Speaker 3: Wow, I've never heard of a person that does these
Speaker 3: nonsensical just or just these random he was unbelievable all
Speaker 3: over the place, you know, these these thoughts. So literally
Speaker 3: he was just write down.
Speaker 7: Just oh yeah, he had just like his wife, Lynn
Speaker 7: has just no piles and piles of notebooks and uh.
Speaker 7: One of one of the things that isn't even uh
Speaker 7: in one of his jokes is in his notebook it says,
Speaker 7: do you believe in Gosh?
Speaker 3: Really? Wow?
Speaker 7: So they did like a posthumous album of his stuff
Speaker 7: and they call it do you Believe in Gosh?
Speaker 3: Don't?
Speaker 7: Isn't that great?
Speaker 3: Where is that notebook?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 7: She had all that up in their cab. They had
Speaker 7: a cabin in the woods and I think big Bear
Speaker 7: and that's where they lived, and and yes, she has
Speaker 7: all that stuff. It's pretty amazing. I when I met
Speaker 7: Mitch and Lynn it was Dayton, Ohio. Was at Jokers
Speaker 7: Comedy Club, which doesn't exist anymore, and I was trying
Speaker 7: to like socialize with them, and I mean I didn't
Speaker 7: know anybody. I was like, hey, do you guys want
Speaker 7: to go bowling? It is the dumbest thing. We were
Speaker 7: next to a bowling alley and they were like all right,
Speaker 7: and uh, And I was terrible. I'm nervous I'm like
Speaker 7: with my idol, Like I really idolized match, So you
Speaker 7: knew him by that point. I was just a fan
Speaker 7: of him, and then I was opening for him. It
Speaker 7: was like the most real thing in my life. And
Speaker 7: then I was just terrible of rolling like ones and zeros,
Speaker 7: and he said the funniest thing, he goes. I thought
Speaker 7: when you suggested that we go bowling, that you would
Speaker 7: be good at bowling.
Speaker 3: So so you working in DC. That was your introduction
Speaker 3: in comedy life. That was it? That was it. I mean,
Speaker 3: you weren't like the class clown at the age of ten,
Speaker 3: or I really wasn't.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 7: I was always sort of like I always felt out
Speaker 7: of place. I always felt like when I when I
Speaker 7: would say the things that I was thinking about, people
Speaker 7: would just be like, Oh, that's that's what's weird, you know,
Speaker 7: and uh yeah. And then then but I I always
Speaker 7: thought I was funny, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 7: it was one of those things like I think I'm
Speaker 7: very funny and they don't get it and that kind
Speaker 7: of thing. And then at a certain point I got
Speaker 7: on stage in college and and uh and it started
Speaker 7: to click. And in Sleepwalk with Me, I have that
Speaker 7: joke where I say, I'm my my girlfriend's starting to
Speaker 7: get the age where she's thinking about having kids, which
Speaker 7: is exciting because we're gonna have to break up. I
Speaker 7: don't want to have kids until I'm sure that nothing
Speaker 7: else good can happen in my life. And that was
Speaker 7: like the first time.
Speaker 3: That's the real that was.
Speaker 7: That was like the first time I made a joke
Speaker 7: on stage. And it's in Sleepwalk with Me. It's like
Speaker 7: this as a plot point, but like it was the
Speaker 7: first time where I said something was true and it
Speaker 7: was a joke at the same time. But that's comedy, right,
Speaker 7: and that's ended up being sort of what I what
Speaker 7: I do. But like that was the first time. Before that,
Speaker 7: I was like making jokes about cookie Monster, and then
Speaker 7: when I started making jokes about myself, it was better.
Speaker 1: But I'll say that your particular brand of comedy, especially
Speaker 1: at the time where I really became aware of you,
Speaker 1: you don't see many comedians on Broadway. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: initially I was trying to figure out, well, okay, did
Speaker 1: you at least cut your teeth in Midtown? I was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what side of the fence you
Speaker 1: were on? Were you alternative Brooklyn. Were you the varsity
Speaker 1: letter of the seller or were you pre Hacksville, of
Speaker 1: Midtown or uptown?
Speaker 7: I had, I did my tone in all of those
Speaker 7: three worlds and the road.
Speaker 3: Can you please all three?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean I think ultimately you have to. I
Speaker 7: mean it's a complex question, but you just have to
Speaker 7: be you, and it has to you have to get
Speaker 7: good enough that what you're doing can kind of work anywhere.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the joke has to work with the allt crowd, Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the I'm smarter than you Kyle's crowd of the
Speaker 1: village and the hack the drunk hacks that might.
Speaker 7: Yeah, although they're the hardest, of course. I mean that's
Speaker 7: why I like that. So I've never I early on,
Speaker 7: I would always get these gigs in Jersey because nobody
Speaker 7: wanted to do them right, nobody wanted to work in Jersey.
Speaker 7: Sorry Jersey, but.
Speaker 3: No, I was gonna ask you. Now, I know Chris
Speaker 3: Rock's regiment and he chooses Jersey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard, right, And yeah, he listed like four
Speaker 1: like before he starts in HBO Special whatever. He told
Speaker 1: me the five clubs that he chooses, like Place down South,
Speaker 1: place where only old people go. He's like, if I
Speaker 1: can survive the scrutiny and the heart, Like, so, what
Speaker 1: is your exercise process of So.
Speaker 7: Mine would be like I go to the cellar, I
Speaker 7: go to the I go to the Brooklyn rooms to
Speaker 7: just like feel confident, to feel like, oh this work this.
Speaker 3: Do they embrace you or do they look like you
Speaker 3: might be a suit you might be.
Speaker 7: No in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn, they like me because they
Speaker 7: know I live in Brooklyn. I have a lot you know,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of local references or whatever. But and
Speaker 7: then and then I go to the cellar, go on
Speaker 7: the road to comedy clubs like I'll go to Charlie
Speaker 7: Goodnights and Raleigh or you know, Zanies and Nashville or
Speaker 7: that kind of thing, because ultimately, you want it to
Speaker 7: work everywhere, because you want it to be human, you know,
Speaker 7: the bottom line of everything is like hearing you guys
Speaker 7: talk about don't think twice and you're like, I'm Miles
Speaker 7: or I'm Jack or whatever, that's like gold for me.
Speaker 7: For me, that's like the biggest compliment. When you and
Speaker 7: I were texting last night and you're like this person
Speaker 7: in my life is like lindsay this person's like this,
Speaker 7: It's like, oh my god, it fucking worked, Like I
Speaker 7: can't believe it. It's working because you want it to
Speaker 7: be so human that people just see themselves in it.
Speaker 7: And that's what takes forever with stand up, that's what
Speaker 7: takes for It takes years with material, you know, to
Speaker 7: get it to that point.
Speaker 3: What takes it so long? Why is it takes so
Speaker 3: long to find that instead of I just.
Speaker 7: Think because you you have to do this thing of
Speaker 7: simultaneously having people see themselves in it and laugh and
Speaker 7: laughter is just like you either get something, get to laugh,
Speaker 7: or it doesn't.
Speaker 2: How's the stand up process versus the movie screenplay process different?
Speaker 7: Well, for me, it's similar because I I write a
Speaker 7: lot with the screenplay and then I would have friends
Speaker 7: over like this, like literally, like like ten of us
Speaker 7: in a room just sitting around would read the screenplay
Speaker 7: and I would get and I would ask people for
Speaker 7: notes afterwards. And so I did that about ten times
Speaker 7: with the movie.
Speaker 3: And then uh wait, so you focus groups like with
Speaker 3: ten people in the room.
Speaker 7: Yeah, isn't that the hardest thing in the World's It
Speaker 7: was really painful because afterwards you get assaulted with notes
Speaker 7: and people are just like, you know, Iron Glass, who
Speaker 7: was my producer ended up being my producer, was just
Speaker 7: like early on it was just like Mike like, it's
Speaker 7: just not a movie, like it just doesn't work. And
Speaker 7: I was like, no, it does, and he was like.
Speaker 7: I was like, it's like it's like The Big Chill
Speaker 7: set in the world of an improv theater. And he
Speaker 7: was like, well, the characters have to be more different
Speaker 7: from each other, because at that point the characters were
Speaker 7: too similar and the conflicts weren't there. And yeah, but
Speaker 7: but yeah, I mean everything I do is sort of
Speaker 7: I work I put in front of people.
Speaker 3: How long did it take? What, like from screenplay to shooting?
Speaker 3: How long did it take to do?
Speaker 7: Took about a year and a half writing it. I
Speaker 7: was in the middle of writing another film called My
Speaker 7: Girlfriend's Boyfriend, which is an adaptation of one of my shows.
Speaker 3: Wait, you're going to make that? I might? I might
Speaker 3: based on the sketch.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's true, that's not real. Yeah, it's true
Speaker 7: story the high school one. Yeah yeah, you can play that.
Speaker 7: You can play that track so I don't have to
Speaker 7: repeat it seriously. Yeah, yeah, that's true. The gist of
Speaker 7: it I'll tell you the gist of it is, when
Speaker 7: I was in high school, I went out with this
Speaker 7: girl and she was like and I was. I was
Speaker 7: like really into her, and then she was like, I
Speaker 7: have another boyfriend, but it's kind of ending and that
Speaker 7: kind of thing. This is going to be fine. And
Speaker 7: then and she invites me to meet her parents and
Speaker 7: I go, and I was like, oh, this is gonna
Speaker 7: be my big moment. I drive your parents house and
Speaker 7: we're hanging out, and then this other guy comes over
Speaker 7: and I'm realizing slowly that it's her other boyfriend, and
Speaker 7: like it's going okay, you know, I know, I don't
Speaker 7: think so. I think he just thought I was a
Speaker 7: friend in retrospect. I don't know for sure, but like
Speaker 7: and and.
Speaker 3: That was us, Yeah, like who's in? Why is it
Speaker 3: in the room?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: No that I'm sorry, No, that's from that's Abby's the
Speaker 7: character's name in Sleepwalk with Me, which is not her
Speaker 7: real name in real life. But uh but but yeah, no,
Speaker 7: that was this girl in high school and I was, man,
Speaker 7: I yeah, I was just really hung up on her,
Speaker 7: and I wanted to believe it was gonna work.
Speaker 3: Well. See the led Zeppelin slogan.
Speaker 7: No, No, that's different. That's different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for some reason, like I've you've jumbled my love.
Speaker 3: But so if.
Speaker 1: Comedy, I don't know if that's a cliche, like comedy
Speaker 1: being time and tragedy.
Speaker 7: Yeah the other day. The other day I tweeted, comedy
Speaker 7: is tragedy plus fuck it.
Speaker 3: So how do you make a joke of you have
Speaker 3: an insomnia?
Speaker 2: And oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that was weird. You Yeah, that's a
Speaker 7: true story. But you guys do you guys know the story.
Speaker 7: I have a sleep disorder where I where I sleepwalk
Speaker 7: and I jumped out of second story window at Yeah,
Speaker 7: I was on the road. This is like probably ten
Speaker 7: years ago now. I was at La Quinta in.
Speaker 3: And Walla Walla, Washington.
Speaker 7: Yeah, at Lakina in and uh, and I had a
Speaker 7: dream that there was a guided missile headed towards my
Speaker 7: room and I was like, I jumped out of bed.
Speaker 7: I was like, there's military personnel in my dream there.
Speaker 7: And I was like, what's the plan And they said, uh,
Speaker 7: the missile coordinates are set on you. And so I
Speaker 7: decided in my dream, as it turns out it was
Speaker 7: in my life as well, to jump out the window.
Speaker 7: So as to detonate outside the window for the sake
Speaker 7: of the platoon. So I jumped through the window like
Speaker 7: the Hulk and uh, and I landed on the front lawn.
Speaker 7: I got up and I kept running and I'm slowly
Speaker 7: realizing I'm on the front line of Laquina and Walla
Speaker 7: walla Washington in my underwear bleeding. I was like, oh no,
Speaker 7: but I swear to god, I was relieved in that
Speaker 7: moment that I hadn't been hit by the MESSI. I
Speaker 7: was like, that would have been a disaster. And so yeah,
Speaker 7: it ended up being sort of the baseline of what
Speaker 7: what my whole It was a one person show off Broadway,
Speaker 7: and then it ended up being my first movie. But yeah,
Speaker 7: and in Responsible, what you're saying, like, how am I
Speaker 7: comfortable talking about that for a while, while I wasn't,
Speaker 7: Like for a while, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: say this people. The first person told oh, that's a
Speaker 7: good question. Well, first person, I told us my wife,
Speaker 7: who at the time was my girlfriend, and I called
Speaker 7: you know, I called her in the middle of the
Speaker 7: night and I was just like, hey, you're you're not
Speaker 7: going to believe this from the hospital, right or no
Speaker 7: from it was weirdly from the from the front desk
Speaker 7: of Washington, no one. I was bleeding and everything, and uh,
Speaker 7: you know, I called her and I was like, hey,
Speaker 7: this is what happened. And I called my parents and
Speaker 7: and I went to the do I went to the hospital.
Speaker 7: I went to check myself in the emergency. I was like,
Speaker 7: I'm the Hulk. I'm the Hulk. I'm the They were like, no,
Speaker 7: you're You're Bruce Banner. I was a point taking there.
Speaker 3: And uh.
Speaker 7: And yeah, no, So it was, yeah, it was. It
Speaker 7: was a really weird thing to tell people, and I
Speaker 7: didn't really Actually it's funny you should say we were
Speaker 7: talking about Hebburg. Hepburg was one of the first people
Speaker 7: I told.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 7: Uh, it was at Caroline's where it was like a
Speaker 7: couple of months later, and it was Mitch Heburg and
Speaker 7: Lynn Chakraf were there and I just told him what
Speaker 7: had happened. And he you know, he has he you know,
Speaker 7: he had a lot of demons obviously, and uh, he
Speaker 7: had a you know, he had a lot of issues.
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, I think he understood it
Speaker 7: in some way, like I think that there was a
Speaker 7: there was a. It was the closest I ever felt
Speaker 7: to Mitch was when I explained to him that I
Speaker 7: jumped through a second third window.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like, YO, the craziest last night.
Speaker 7: No, I mean I was really fucked up from it,
Speaker 7: because I mean I still am to this day, Like
Speaker 7: I'm still when I go to you know, when I
Speaker 7: go to bed at night, I sleep in a sleeping bag.
Speaker 7: I'm not making this up. I take medication, I sleep
Speaker 7: in a sleeping bag, and for a while there I
Speaker 7: was wearing mittens so I couldn't open the sleeping bag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so so there is nothing like that that
Speaker 3: can I guess there's no cure.
Speaker 7: There's no cure. Yes, I mean you could take medication
Speaker 7: I take I take Cloud. But but and I go
Speaker 7: to my sleep my sleep doctor. But it's uh no,
Speaker 7: there's no cure. There's never gonna I'm gonna have to
Speaker 7: live with this for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: Wait, it might be an intrusive if I asked, when
Speaker 3: was the last time you sleep walked?
Speaker 7: No, you're canna ask. It's probably like it happens a
Speaker 7: handful of times a year, so like six times a
Speaker 7: year or so. I'll have an incident like I remember
Speaker 7: a few years ago. It was like New Year's Eve,
Speaker 7: and I did all the things that trigger it, like
Speaker 7: I was eating red meat and I was drinking, and
Speaker 7: I was doing I was sleep deprived. We were out
Speaker 7: till like five am, and and then I had a
Speaker 7: dream that there was a This is a kind of abstract,
Speaker 7: but that there was a it was like an alien
Speaker 7: was in my throat. And when I woke up, I
Speaker 7: was trying to gorge myself in the bathroom. I was
Speaker 7: trying to like rip like something out of my throat.
Speaker 7: That's when I woke up and I and I had
Speaker 7: I was and I had lost my voice for the
Speaker 7: next couple of days, at least the next day or so. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it's it's not Youah No, it's tough. I mean
Speaker 7: it's it's definitely like one of those things where that's
Speaker 7: my you know, we all have our thing, and it's
Speaker 7: like that's my thing. I mean that it's pretty embarrassing
Speaker 7: for me, but I kind of broke through the like
Speaker 7: uncomfortability of discussing it and now I'm like, yeah, that's
Speaker 7: just what I that's what I am.
Speaker 3: But you say, like you do know at least kind
Speaker 3: of it's what will trigger it, So is there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you you know, there's this great book
Speaker 7: if anyone has a sleep just or if anyone has
Speaker 7: bad sleep or whatever. This is a great book called
Speaker 7: The Promise of Sleep. And you know they basically say
Speaker 7: a few hours before bed, turn off your phone, turn
Speaker 7: off the internet, don't eat big meals, you know, like
Speaker 7: that kind of thing, don't watch TV news and of course,
Speaker 7: like that's all yeah, no, and so that's you know,
Speaker 7: you try not to do that stuff. So it has
Speaker 7: to be totally silent, that's yeah, And that's that's the hope.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Sometimes I listen to like meditation podcasts and things like that.
Speaker 6: But what about like when you have a wild night
Speaker 6: with your wife, Like, is she just puts you to sleep,
Speaker 6: what do you do?
Speaker 7: Like, do you are automatically She'll no, no, She'll she'll
Speaker 7: like she'll like uh A lot of times she'll be
Speaker 7: she'll like wake me up and be like, hey, you
Speaker 7: should take your pill and that can and she'll stick
Speaker 7: me in my sleeping bag. She literally said, my wife
Speaker 7: calls it my pod. She'll be like she got she
Speaker 7: calls me, she goes me mo and it's Mike, uh
Speaker 7: not Jim. But uh, she'll go, she'll go, she'll go, Mo,
Speaker 7: it's time to get in your pod and she'll stick
Speaker 7: me in. It's yeah, it's uh wow, it's pretty embarrassing
Speaker 7: if she wants she got to unzip you zip me?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, why it's embarrassing.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating.
Speaker 5: I don't know why you why you'd be embarrassed. I'm
Speaker 5: really sleeping back part. That's embarrassing.
Speaker 7: Sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It's just one of those things where I all that
Speaker 7: people think I was crazy. You know, people think like, oh,
Speaker 7: this guy's just not all there. I mean, it's the
Speaker 7: kind of thing that in the eighteen hundreds, they'd put
Speaker 7: you in the hospital and they really throw away the key,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. Like it's if you jumped.
Speaker 7: Think about that another era, you jump through a second
Speaker 7: story window picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm amazing.
Speaker 7: This guy's crazy. I mer I'm a phenomenal athlete. Look
Speaker 7: at me, people, I mean people aren't looking at me
Speaker 7: at home. So you can google image man, and you're.
Speaker 3: R B I G L I A B I R G.
Speaker 3: You are a Google nightmare. I didn't realize the R
Speaker 3: was the third letter of your last name. So for
Speaker 3: the longest I was looking up Oh God, like, yeah
Speaker 3: it was, it was. It took me time.
Speaker 1: This is a quest Love Supreme on Pandora here with
Speaker 1: the crew. So, Mike, what is what is your okay?
Speaker 1: I hate to ask this question because I also.
Speaker 3: Asked lim Manuel this question as well.
Speaker 1: Any kind of rolled his eyes in the air slightly irked.
Speaker 1: But have you started working on your next project? I
Speaker 1: only if if this becomes so gargantuan that it becomes
Speaker 1: a burden that you know, you could run the risk
Speaker 1: of writers black or whatever. So are you immediately pushing
Speaker 1: for the next project?
Speaker 7: I have like five well, I have like the three
Speaker 7: or four movie ideas that are kicking around in my
Speaker 7: head right now, and I like to kind of let
Speaker 7: them fight with each other, like like I don't I
Speaker 7: don't rush to write one of them. I just let
Speaker 7: them kind of play around in my head and then
Speaker 7: if one of them feels strong enough, then then that's
Speaker 7: when I'm gonna write it. But in the meantime, I'm
Speaker 7: just trying to live, you know, and you know, be
Speaker 7: a I have a fifteen month old daughter, and I'm
Speaker 7: just trying to hang out with my wife and my
Speaker 7: daughter and regret live thanks, just trying to live a bit.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: It's I feel like I've been I've been kind of
Speaker 7: hustling for like fifteen years, sixteen years, and I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: Like you're trying to take a break now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an awesome looking hustled up.
Speaker 3: But wait, it's.
Speaker 1: Well, it's weird only because like I feel like, a
Speaker 1: you're about to ride to such an arrival place, like now's.
Speaker 3: Not the time to not.
Speaker 8: I think he's I think it well because I had
Speaker 8: a conversation about this with uha unpaid Bill uh Craig
Speaker 8: uh Base Carter Carter, Homie Carter, who's going to ride us?
Speaker 3: From how I met your mother?
Speaker 8: Me and and were talking earlier, and we had a
Speaker 8: conversation that was almost exactly what you're saying, Mike, in
Speaker 8: the sense that once you get to this point in
Speaker 8: your career, I think.
Speaker 3: In age rather particularly when you have a kid, yeah,
Speaker 3: you work smarter, not harder.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta kind of read you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like the days of me staying up all night and
Speaker 1: just working, you know, twelve sixteen eighteen hours straight in
Speaker 1: the studio.
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, I fuck that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't do that work. I'm the same exact
Speaker 7: way I work.
Speaker 8: And then I'm going to bed because it's like I
Speaker 8: got to be at carpool at three thirty tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Bro, Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like, I fuck it.
Speaker 3: This should still be here when I you look confused like.
Speaker 2: This, chill, what's just this?
Speaker 6: But Mike, are you cool with that? Like? Are you
Speaker 6: cool with where you are right now?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 10: I mean it's kind of dope to look like I said,
Speaker 10: look at your IMD page and see that you've been
Speaker 10: in train Wreck, you got Orange and New Black, you
Speaker 10: got your own projects.
Speaker 6: Are you cool with that? Or do you want to
Speaker 6: be like, you know, recognizable on the streets and everybody?
Speaker 7: No, No, it's weird. I I am cool with it.
Speaker 7: I when I was part of the reason I feel
Speaker 7: like I was able to write the movie was in
Speaker 7: my twenties. I feel like I wanted this one type
Speaker 7: of six sas and it's like what me and all
Speaker 7: my buddies wanted the same fucking thing, Like we want
Speaker 7: to like write for Conan or SNL or this or
Speaker 7: that or whatever, and then you get to be your
Speaker 7: thirties and you start to be like, no, no, that
Speaker 7: that's not what success is. Success is like any number
Speaker 7: of things on a spectrum, and that it's personal to you.
Speaker 7: And so I'm just starting to understand, like, no, no,
Speaker 7: I'm my own thing, and I don't need to be
Speaker 7: like you're saying, like recognizing the street and all that
Speaker 7: kind of stuff, which I think in my twenties I craved,
Speaker 7: surely because I'm single.
Speaker 1: So in your head and the twenty in your twenties,
Speaker 1: writing for Conan would have been the Pinaffs.
Speaker 7: It would have Yeah, it would have been the ultimate thing.
Speaker 3: And but do you think it's more of a satiable
Speaker 3: thing because I've had that thing where it's just like, yo, man,
Speaker 3: if I just get one Grammy, that's all I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want, And then it happens and then you're like, ah,
Speaker 1: if we could just come home with like.
Speaker 3: Five thousand dollars, that's all. What Wait? If I lived
Speaker 3: a life where like I could just get four pairs
Speaker 3: of Nikes every month, that's all I want, And then
Speaker 3: it was like, Okay, a five bedroomhouse, and I swear
Speaker 3: god that no more, that's all.
Speaker 7: What Well, the craziest thing I think is it just well,
Speaker 7: I find that that's what I like about New York
Speaker 7: City is less like that than Los Angeles. I think,
Speaker 7: in my opinion, when you go to Los Angeles, I
Speaker 7: feel like you see a lot of people who they
Speaker 7: got into it for the right reasons, and then they
Speaker 7: start to take money gigs just because they're around. And
Speaker 7: you know, there's money all around in Hollywood, and I
Speaker 7: feel like my goal is just to continue, like I think,
Speaker 7: don't think twice is better than Sleepwalk with Me. I
Speaker 7: hope my third movie is better than my second movie.
Speaker 7: I hope I can make about ten in my life
Speaker 7: and then that'll be it for me, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean, likee' that's all I want to do.
Speaker 3: So you see an end game, you see a oh
Speaker 3: I can walk away from this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think about ten movies to get back to Tarantino.
Speaker 7: I mean Tarantino is like that's what he said, that's
Speaker 7: what he said.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean even on a hip hop right. You
Speaker 8: know Hank Shockley, who is the main producer of Enemy,
Speaker 8: I'm talking.
Speaker 3: For the people.
Speaker 1: I'm still I wasn't correcting you I'm still getting over
Speaker 1: the chill of stopping one well hit To that point,
Speaker 1: Hank Shockley always said that bands after three records.
Speaker 3: They need to just be like fuck it. He was,
Speaker 3: and I mean and and to be fair, if.
Speaker 8: You look at a lot of bands like their first three,
Speaker 8: not that they didn't make anything great after that, but
Speaker 8: I mean, look at Public Enemy, look at Outcast, look at.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, we didn't start popping to our
Speaker 1: fourth record. Well, y'all didn't start popping. Popping is different.
Speaker 1: Y'all didn't pop into y'all four. And again y'all were
Speaker 1: one of the ones. Like I mean, I bought all
Speaker 1: y'all records. But even still, y'all got the opportunity to
Speaker 1: make that record. Y'all came along at a time where
Speaker 1: you know, well, y'all particular situation, you were given that
Speaker 1: space to get to record three, four or five. Whereas
Speaker 1: now you know what I'm saying, Uh, you know, particularly
Speaker 1: black artists, you're not getting that many chances at that
Speaker 1: without a home run.
Speaker 3: It's just stopping.
Speaker 1: This is from if this from a dude that took
Speaker 1: his first vacation recently and to not work for five days,
Speaker 1: it wasn't killing me as bad as I you know,
Speaker 1: didn't think it was going to kill me, like because
Speaker 1: normally when I tried to do that, okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to work today, whatever. And I just feel like
Speaker 1: like something's happening, someone's getting the advantage that.
Speaker 3: You know, do you do you want kids in a wife?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Do you want to be married with kids? At some point?
Speaker 3: I want?
Speaker 1: But nah, that changes things, dude, I think you relate
Speaker 1: to a lot of what like what Mike is like
Speaker 1: just kids. It just that it changes everything.
Speaker 3: Man, if you have a conscious, If you have a conscious,
Speaker 3: it changes things. I know some ambitious people that put
Speaker 3: their family second. I can see that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that I could do that. But I'm
Speaker 1: also a person that doesn't say why I never do that.
Speaker 10: You won't do that because you waited this long. Those
Speaker 10: other people started early and they don't appreciate it. You'll
Speaker 10: appreciate it more.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: Just now, that's that's a bad point. I mean because
Speaker 8: right now, I mean I had my boys, John, I'm
Speaker 8: from the South. We you know, we start early, so
Speaker 8: you know it was you know, not seriously for real.
Speaker 8: I mean my boys are fifteen and ten. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 8: we start everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the country. What the fuck else we
Speaker 3: gonna do with cook out and not pull out.
Speaker 9: Jesus Like, that's just that's just what you do. But
Speaker 9: but no, like a fight stop? Did you just coin
Speaker 9: like a I don't even know what the like?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: I guess does that count as an idiom or I
Speaker 3: don't know. I just can.
Speaker 2: Mike should tweet that.
Speaker 7: To end my career.
Speaker 3: But nah, man, I hear what you're saying on Mike.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think you know, particularly when you get
Speaker 8: to that, because it's not from what I heard you say,
Speaker 8: It's like, it's not like therapy and ship now what
Speaker 8: I heard you say, it's not that it's necessarily stopping.
Speaker 8: I think it's just necessarily just getting to that point
Speaker 8: where you realize, like, okay, I've done Once you get
Speaker 8: to a point where you realize I've expressed myself to
Speaker 8: the on the highest level that I can, whether it's
Speaker 8: a movie, whether it's a radio show, whether it's a
Speaker 8: pot whatever.
Speaker 3: If I've done that on the highest level.
Speaker 1: Right then, which leads back to our earlier conversation of
Speaker 1: listening to those voices in your head. Now what I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, is if you think that there's a limit,
Speaker 1: Like okay, now, logistically speaking, now, if we're.
Speaker 3: Talking to.
Speaker 1: Twenty year old Amir Thompson busking on the corners of
Speaker 1: South Street in Philadelphia. Now, if someone came up to
Speaker 1: me and said, check it all right, Like it's my
Speaker 1: version of Jacob Marley that says, you know, okay, now
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You're twenty now, and you know I'm
Speaker 1: actively in hip hop. Now.
Speaker 3: Usually quote it's supposed to go down at least in
Speaker 3: like two years, that's when you get your moment in time. Now,
Speaker 3: if that voice told me.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get your moment and whatever the quote your
Speaker 1: moment is is relative. I don't mean like you know,
Speaker 1: just no I got to poor Champagne on people or whatever.
Speaker 3: But if someone would have told me.
Speaker 1: That twenty five years from now, when you're forty five,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be on and popping, but till then, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the slowest, most tortuous.
Speaker 3: Ride of your life. Like do you think do you
Speaker 3: aint Biggie would have stuck over? Like if someone told
Speaker 3: Biggie all right, all right.
Speaker 1: Christopher Wallace at nineteen, it's just not really gonna happen
Speaker 1: for you till you're like forty three.
Speaker 8: Do you think he would have been like he maybe
Speaker 8: he would have stuck around. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 8: but I mean, but that's like it for everybody, though,
Speaker 8: I think, I mean, if you really look at it,
Speaker 8: you know, in terms of but that's the thing. There's
Speaker 8: an and I can kind of back it up with
Speaker 8: science a little bit pseudo whatever. But there was an
Speaker 8: article of Red while back they talk about by how
Speaker 8: creative people why most of their creative peaks happened in
Speaker 8: like your late thirties, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 8: your late thirties, early forties.
Speaker 3: That's really what you get to your money making years.
Speaker 8: And it's something to do with that's when both sides
Speaker 8: of your brain kind of learned to talk to each other.
Speaker 8: So it's like you learned how to merge the creative
Speaker 8: and the business, and you kind of what you're saying,
Speaker 8: you kind of get out of your head a little more,
Speaker 8: but you understand how to make those two sides coexist.
Speaker 8: So that's why people have their creative breakthroughs. So I mean,
Speaker 8: so for somebody like Mike, I mean, you know, you
Speaker 8: were just the comedy seller guy. I mean like, did
Speaker 8: you ever think, like, man, I'm gonna make a fucking movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, was that you know?
Speaker 7: I always thought that was gonna happen faster like am
Speaker 7: you're saying. I always thought like when I was like
Speaker 7: twenty two, I was like, I'll make my first movie
Speaker 7: at twenty four. And then no, it's like when I
Speaker 7: was thirty two. It's like, we know, it's like literally
Speaker 7: ten years longer than I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm just singing that in your thirty eight
Speaker 3: Now No, no, I don't mean uh posture are I
Speaker 3: mean in your in your eight movie plan?
Speaker 7: Yeah, in your eight movie ten movie plan, eight more movies.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, in your ten movie plan. What if movie
Speaker 3: number seven becomes your piece of resistance? What if you
Speaker 3: went Star Wars?
Speaker 7: Yeah, drop the mic and lave you mean, well, no,
Speaker 7: I'm just saying that, what if it enables you to.
Speaker 3: Start an empire? Oh?
Speaker 7: I see what you're saying, like like Apatow or something
Speaker 7: where like yeah, what year old virgin kind of thing,
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden I could branch out
Speaker 7: and make verbiglia films that their stamp on a bunch
Speaker 7: of different.
Speaker 1: Positive that Larry Sanders era Appatow didn't even think that
Speaker 1: he would be the comedy go to god he is
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 7: No, I don't think he probably, but I think it takes.
Speaker 8: That time, no, man, because you're you gotta think about
Speaker 8: it like your now you were saying that twenty two
Speaker 8: year old guy, right. I think sometimes we have to
Speaker 8: grow in two as an arts. You have to give
Speaker 8: your times, give yourself space to grow into that so
Speaker 8: you're ready for it. So if you were that guy
Speaker 8: at twenty two beating on buckets and they gave you
Speaker 8: the Tonight show, you would have probably would have fucked
Speaker 8: it up, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, because you weren't ready for that
Speaker 3: at that Nobody ready, No one is ready for that.
Speaker 1: Like I mean you you don't have no your brain
Speaker 1: is not even fully formed to like calculate risk and shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it's not even you're
Speaker 1: not ready for it. I never I never desired the show.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a dream like where like Dox Everson's on
Speaker 1: the wall like to be that dude, but like I
Speaker 1: take it as it comes. But if I were when
Speaker 1: I was thirty eight. Okay, two thousand and nine, I
Speaker 1: have no shame in my safeness and in my older
Speaker 1: statesman whatever. I might get a little ert if you know,
Speaker 1: millennial calls me og. But sir, are you og yet?
Speaker 3: I'm certainly an og? No, but I mean has like
Speaker 3: like Cuddy called you og yet?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, like I've been called og yold up og. I
Speaker 8: used to listen to you in middle school.
Speaker 7: Oh I get that now, Really, I get people. I
Speaker 7: keep on my show saying I listened to you in
Speaker 7: middle school.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: They don't call you og.
Speaker 7: Nobody calls me. Nobody would ever call me og in
Speaker 7: any context.
Speaker 3: Let me keep retweeting you wait a week? Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that in two thousand and eight, two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine. I you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: just feel like to say what your plans are?
Speaker 1: I feel like that's desire, not planned, because if you
Speaker 1: do become an appetitph or have an opportunity to become
Speaker 1: or be greater than that, to become Spielberg or greater.
Speaker 3: I would think that you that might be a sam
Speaker 3: zone that you're in.
Speaker 1: If you walk away for it for any other reason,
Speaker 1: then you absolutely must bond with your kids. But even then,
Speaker 1: like Spielberg has kids and a family and that certain
Speaker 1: thing is able to juggle it. So I'm saying that
Speaker 1: I don't know if you.
Speaker 3: See, but I.
Speaker 7: Relate most to Sam in the movie. Like I, when
Speaker 7: I look at Sam, I'm like, Oh, that's what That's
Speaker 7: what I I wish I was. I wish I was
Speaker 7: someone who had complete integrity and didn't care about all that.
Speaker 1: I didn't see her. I didn't see it as well. Again,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it as integrity like she was just
Speaker 1: so she was scared.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought she was checking out.
Speaker 6: At first she was.
Speaker 10: Scared, but then when she broke down, she was not scared.
Speaker 10: She explained that, I really don't want to do that.
Speaker 10: I really don't want to be that. I don't want
Speaker 10: to be on that shut.
Speaker 9: I still think there might have been some fear that
Speaker 9: in the beginning when I'm talking about when I think, yeah,
Speaker 9: it's all fear.
Speaker 10: Fear of yeah world, fear of maybe getting to that
Speaker 10: point where you think you might be selling them.
Speaker 8: Okay, So one another scene that that that that that
Speaker 8: Sam reminded me of. So where's the line, right, so Louis.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you watch Louis, just
Speaker 1: the scene where Louie is in his uh it' see
Speaker 1: like season four where he goes to his agent he
Speaker 1: has the he has the opportunity to host letterst level
Speaker 1: and his agent just sits him down, and it's like, look, dude,
Speaker 1: this is what it is. You make eighty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year your stand up comic. You know, shit is
Speaker 1: not going to get any better than this. If you
Speaker 1: were if you were waiting for that moment. This is
Speaker 1: that moment right here, and if you don't take it,
Speaker 1: you're done forever, you know what I mean. Just kind
Speaker 1: of just that you know, that nut up or shut
Speaker 1: up kind of moment, right, and so he on.
Speaker 9: People just got really excited anytime I was keeping a list,
Speaker 9: any time I thought it was put up up where
Speaker 9: I come from, that's what it is. But we're from
Speaker 9: different places. Like just like a little he's watching a
Speaker 9: lot of times the Road and you took that one
Speaker 9: and I took that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 3: The past diverged. But but nah, so where is that?
Speaker 3: As an artist?
Speaker 8: For you might like, so, where where is that moment
Speaker 8: because you could say again where I'm just trying to understand,
Speaker 8: how can you we say that the person is sabotaging
Speaker 8: when again, it just may be a thing where you
Speaker 8: just say, look, I know my limitations, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying, and well, it's.
Speaker 7: Just it's just what you I think. You ultimately have
Speaker 7: to do what you love and not what you like.
Speaker 7: So it's like people say to me now, like, oh,
Speaker 7: the next you'll make will be with the studio. It'll
Speaker 7: be like Universal Paramount or whatever. And I'm like, I
Speaker 7: don't really like those movies. I don't really like big movies.
Speaker 7: I love small movies like I love movies like Don't
Speaker 7: Think Twice And you know, Captain Fantastic is a good
Speaker 7: one that's out right now and Tickled Like there's like
Speaker 7: indie small indie films just like what I love.
Speaker 3: So you had an absolute final say on this film.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I final cut. I finally cut in my first one.
Speaker 7: I just want to in all my all my one
Speaker 7: person shows the same thing.
Speaker 3: Has Hollywood coming knocking. Yeah, they call Okay, by the way.
Speaker 1: Congrats, Like I'm I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with any not aggregates,
Speaker 1: but just any sort of rating system. And you know,
Speaker 1: when I first saw that ninety nine rotten Tomato thing,
Speaker 1: I just thought like, oh, okay, one person reviewed it,
Speaker 1: and then that was the yeah, And then I realized
Speaker 1: I was like, yo.
Speaker 3: This is like across the board. This is probably the highest.
Speaker 1: Rated uh movie that has at least a minimum of
Speaker 1: twenty major reviews to it.
Speaker 7: Like everyone's just yeah, I've been I mean, I don't
Speaker 7: know what the humble thing to say is here, people
Speaker 7: like people have been digging it, like I've been really lucky.
Speaker 1: Like this, this, this is the equivalent of this is
Speaker 1: really the equivalent like if I got to put in
Speaker 1: perspective of Illmatic getting five mics, Yeah, no, this is
Speaker 1: the illmatic five mic movement where you know, like critics
Speaker 1: are really truly getting it for those that don't understand
Speaker 1: the reference, because I feel I've.
Speaker 2: Been meaning illmatic. Did your mom and all her friends
Speaker 2: write all those rotten reviews?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: So uh for hip hop heads, uh nas is illmatic
Speaker 1: and the extremely glowing review that uh, I guess we
Speaker 1: can reveal that Mino Minya oh miss info was quote Shorty,
Speaker 1: you didn't know.
Speaker 6: This, Yeah, I didn't even know she was mean to
Speaker 6: Oh I didn't know, miss info. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back when Mino was at the Source magazine, back
Speaker 1: when that was our pitchfork, it was that was our pitchfork,
Speaker 1: that was our rolling stone, and there was a good
Speaker 1: six year stretch of it being absolutely credible. Last word
Speaker 1: on what was quality hip hop or not?
Speaker 3: Mad Man got made, Man Got four and a.
Speaker 2: Half and it was just.
Speaker 3: Got four and a half. Yeah, it was just like
Speaker 3: the little Kim got no, no, no, look got five.
Speaker 3: Look Kim got five? She got five? She got five?
Speaker 3: Is the one? Where was the one after that?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 3: The Naked Truth was the Naked truth? Yeah, because that.
Speaker 1: Was oh crap, because the dude was like her, what
Speaker 1: was it her? Hey, well deserves Yeah, light us up
Speaker 1: was a tipping point track. And then Scott gave it
Speaker 1: to all right, do you remember that?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Now we're falling down rabbit hole? Do you remember the
Speaker 1: Senior Love Daddy shout out moment, do the right thing?
Speaker 1: We love Radio Senior Loved and he names all those groups. Well,
Speaker 1: like I was watching that and made a beat from
Speaker 1: Matt with Scott and we were going to take it.
Speaker 3: And then next thing I know.
Speaker 1: Look even here in the beginning, like you're my drumsticks
Speaker 1: and all, like, yeah, that was a roots track.
Speaker 3: Wowow, but now it's a five my classic thank you,
Speaker 3: don't check the stor Yeah, but no.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that when NAS's Illmatic got reviewed, that
Speaker 1: was it was well, it was a game changing moment
Speaker 1: in hip hop, and I guess I wound up being
Speaker 1: a burden to Nas at the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it did. It became a burden. And so.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean to get a ninety I think
Speaker 1: getting a ninety nine is better than getting a hundred.
Speaker 3: No, I think, well.
Speaker 7: There's one, yeah, there's one negative one from the Washington
Speaker 7: Post and I he tweet and tweeted about it because
Speaker 7: Seth Rogen tweeted like, I agree with all the critics.
Speaker 7: I agree, like I agree with all the critics about
Speaker 7: don't think twice or whatever, and then that motherfucker tweeted
Speaker 7: I won't even say his name, it's like not all
Speaker 7: the critics. I was like, no, I'm not that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna write that.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to my two cents on the new
Speaker 3: Frank Ocean album.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I feel like you're the kind of
Speaker 1: person that lives totally Bill. Bill's is the weird thing, though,
Speaker 1: because I don't feel that Boss Bill is the guy
Speaker 1: that genuinely feels that he needs to knock down your
Speaker 1: Jinga game, right, but just part of him that just
Speaker 1: has to Charlie Brown kick your Jinga game.
Speaker 9: I'll let you play Jinga if if you know, if
Speaker 9: it looks like you guys know what you're doing. But
Speaker 9: if you don't know what you're doing, I'm gonna knock
Speaker 9: that ship down and let somebody else play.
Speaker 3: All right, did you all right? More rabbit hole falling?
Speaker 7: Did you metaphor?
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that is.
Speaker 7: The jengamore metaphor out of respect for the Djenga in
Speaker 7: the movie. Yes, good, I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that, like you, but part of you
Speaker 3: knew that you didn't want to like it in the
Speaker 3: first place.
Speaker 9: No, it's not that I didn't go into it, not
Speaker 9: one voice so high. I didn't go into it knowing
Speaker 9: that I didn't want to like it. It's I knew
Speaker 9: what to expect, and.
Speaker 3: I knew so even though expressed sadly.
Speaker 9: It's like I knew what's expecting. I didn't want to
Speaker 9: like just you know, go off the cuff and say,
Speaker 9: oh it's trash and I didn't even listen to it.
Speaker 9: I needed to get confirmation, and I got confirmation.
Speaker 3: But I don't think.
Speaker 1: I still say that you have to live with something,
Speaker 1: uh for about three months before you.
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 3: like I could listen to Jesus and know that I
Speaker 3: never needed to listen to it again.
Speaker 9: But you see, I had to change your heart about Jesus. Yeah,
Speaker 9: you had to go to a loud ass stadium to
Speaker 9: hear where. I believe Bob Power, who was our guest
Speaker 9: when you told this story, said that if you play
Speaker 9: anything at a loud volume, it automatically sounds better. So
Speaker 9: I mean, come on or in a strip club that
Speaker 9: was I mean, if you if you're listening to Jesus
Speaker 9: a loud volume at Madison Square Garden, it's going to
Speaker 9: sound like it's going to sound amazing because everything sounds Send.
Speaker 8: It Up was the only one that stuck for me
Speaker 8: on that, like send it up. I cut for it
Speaker 8: like that one was like, okay, ill fun, We'll send
Speaker 8: it up. And Black Skinhead is like great montage Navy
Speaker 8: seal training music. That's cool, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I.
Speaker 10: Mean ever since they played it at the engagement party
Speaker 10: and messed me up songa party at Kim and Kanye's
Speaker 10: engagement party at the stadium, Jaden and then were dancing
Speaker 10: in the background the black Skinhead.
Speaker 6: It was like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 6: Jayden and highly, Yes, I missed this. It was at
Speaker 6: the San Francisco Stadium.
Speaker 3: So you watch Keeping Up with the Gardashians.
Speaker 7: Oh sh you gotta you gotta look on black Twitter Marrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't I missed that too.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm not all right. I'm not even
Speaker 3: gonna leave you out there like.
Speaker 1: Twice a year, you know, like when sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to handel your battery, your your remote control what.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you were doing?
Speaker 2: Everyone?
Speaker 1: What's happened when your remote control batteries haven't been changed
Speaker 1: in a second, we.
Speaker 3: Got roll them.
Speaker 1: You got a fondle furious styles right the fury I
Speaker 1: was doing with Michael Jackson. Uh oh, for those listening
Speaker 1: at home, you don't want to see what's happening.
Speaker 6: For those ladies listening you do want to see.
Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe once or twice or three times a year,
Speaker 1: you know, the TV will be stuck on the E
Speaker 1: channel and I'll fall into a Kardashian rabbit hole and
Speaker 1: about nine of those episodes will just run and I
Speaker 1: can't stop watching it.
Speaker 6: Every man in here has watched it. At least one
Speaker 6: speak on it, because you quiet speak on it, Mike.
Speaker 3: Speak on watch it.
Speaker 7: I've watched about half an episode of a Kardashian and.
Speaker 3: Then I didn't.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. I didn't get into it. No, I I
Speaker 7: just couldn't. I couldn't follow it.
Speaker 3: Right, I couldn't keep up.
Speaker 7: Literally, well, I was confused because I I turned it
Speaker 7: on just because Kanye was on it.
Speaker 3: He is on it, yeah, now I thought he was.
Speaker 6: Win the rabbit hole.
Speaker 7: But then I was like, if he's not on it more,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to watch this because I don't know
Speaker 7: what the rest of them do.
Speaker 3: Nothing, Like what do they do? Like? Why are they?
Speaker 3: Why is it? I think we're jealous that they're able
Speaker 3: to monetize.
Speaker 6: When it's features.
Speaker 3: I don't want to monetize.
Speaker 7: I don't like this an that's what I you know,
Speaker 7: that's a good example, I think, I think it's a
Speaker 7: sellout adventure.
Speaker 6: Well your dig but they sell out on purpose. They
Speaker 6: never had like a you know, there was never anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think Chris Jenner was at the
Speaker 1: murder trial of her boob that her ex husband was
Speaker 1: defending while sitting defending her side dude while with the
Speaker 1: new dude, like, that's.
Speaker 2: That's like the boyfriend.
Speaker 6: Mike and America confused.
Speaker 3: They don't know.
Speaker 2: That's like the boyfriend that came to Mike's girlfriend's house
Speaker 2: and then Mike Kim there too, and those two boyfriends.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the murder.
Speaker 1: One murder, But how do we get to this? We
Speaker 1: just fell down rabbit holes. I was trying to explain
Speaker 1: thematic and we ended up it like the little Kim, which.
Speaker 3: Then led to so let's go back to omadic. I
Speaker 3: guess yeah, so you got ninety nine and rotten to
Speaker 3: a fag? You congratulations? Is Mike?
Speaker 7: What I feel? I feel like, I feel lucky. I
Speaker 7: feel luckier about like us sitting around talking about it
Speaker 7: and how it relates to our lives. Then I feel
Speaker 7: about reviewers. I feel like, because that's that's all when
Speaker 7: you're making music or you're making a movie or whatever.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 7: All you want is for people to go, oh, that's
Speaker 7: like my life, and that's you know, that's all you want.
Speaker 7: So that's all that. I feel very lucky.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know they don't all work. Can we go
Speaker 1: bottom line? Let's go bottom line across the room desires like,
Speaker 1: are we really truly honest with what we want out
Speaker 1: of life? Steve, Steve Mandel Sugar Steve.
Speaker 3: What is it that you want out of life? To
Speaker 3: be honestly, what do you want? You go to him
Speaker 3: first of this, because I know it's gonna be hilarious.
Speaker 5: Pass think about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, but I think there's an instinct in all
Speaker 3: of us that truly knows what we want.
Speaker 5: I mean in what regard the personal relationships or professional.
Speaker 3: Like, at what point? At what point are we like
Speaker 3: I'm satisfied, I'm gonna stop. I know what happens. I
Speaker 3: don't think it.
Speaker 8: I don't think you ever stopped. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 8: you ever stopped. I think you just can reach a
Speaker 8: point of complacency. Yeah, right, you stop chasing. It's like
Speaker 8: the Bill Withers thing where he's like, you know, if
Speaker 8: you're going through when you're when you're going through life.
Speaker 8: If you're on your way to excellent, right at some
Speaker 8: point you're gonna get pretty good. And once you get
Speaker 8: to pretty good, look around, because that may be as
Speaker 8: far as you're gonna go. So it's just kind of like,
Speaker 8: I don't think no one ever stops, but you have
Speaker 8: to think at some point right now, if my life
Speaker 8: doesn't go past just being able to talk ship with
Speaker 8: questlove and two Jews, have my Jewish brothers, you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, like in a room and electric lady,
Speaker 8: just being able to talk ship with.
Speaker 3: My homies and have like anyone's exploded in the room
Speaker 3: behind me as.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, we're still an he's not read anymore, he's
Speaker 6: not ready.
Speaker 1: No, But I'm saying, if my life doesn't go past
Speaker 1: this point, it's like, yo, I'm good.
Speaker 3: I get to make a living fucking with people. I
Speaker 3: really you know, love and respect and ship like what else?
Speaker 5: I got my answer?
Speaker 11: Okay, inspired the Elvis album. We did an album with
Speaker 11: Elvis Costello.
Speaker 3: All right, So you're just you're contenting.
Speaker 11: Me when your achievements surpassed your dreams.
Speaker 1: So you got to produce your idol so you don't
Speaker 1: feel like now, like, okay, next record.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's more he's gonna do. He's gonna do another
Speaker 11: song that I wrote the lyrics for us.
Speaker 5: So it gets it gets bigger than.
Speaker 3: You know strug girl.
Speaker 5: But that's all bounced with.
Speaker 11: You know, you gotta keep the family situation harmonious and
Speaker 11: you know, keep the regular work job going. And if
Speaker 11: all those things are cool, then you know you're cool.
Speaker 13: I think so, all right, a buch of sugar being right,
Speaker 13: can we just let one episode without diabetes being mentioned?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Bill? Yeah, what do you want outline besides getting.
Speaker 5: Laid, which ain't gonna have.
Speaker 3: That's it. It's gonna happen, man, It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Thank you well to talk about that.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: I feel like we've all been working so hard to
Speaker 2: get through a place where we can plateau, not like
Speaker 2: plateau in a negative sense, but then like, you worked
Speaker 2: so hard to get to this place where you can
Speaker 2: do what you want. And I think that that's that
Speaker 2: was always my my desire was, like I I did
Speaker 2: not intend to get involved in any of the things
Speaker 2: I'm involved in.
Speaker 9: Yes, okay, but if you fulfill your ghetto, we're not
Speaker 9: doing If you get your If you get your OH,
Speaker 9: then will you be like.
Speaker 3: I did it? That's it.
Speaker 2: I think I'd like to get the OH so that
Speaker 2: we could stop talking about it more than more than
Speaker 2: actually getting it.
Speaker 7: In the.
Speaker 2: Oscar.
Speaker 7: You don't have an oscar.
Speaker 2: That's like the most potentious bullshit, like I.
Speaker 7: Don't have an oscar.
Speaker 3: You know how many?
Speaker 7: You know how many great films don't have oscars?
Speaker 2: How many?
Speaker 7: So many?
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I'm superficial for desires, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 7: I think, well, I don't know. I mean, there's this
Speaker 7: Angela Duckworth wrote this column for The Times recently, where
Speaker 7: she said, when you're to college graduates, she said, I
Speaker 7: don't recommend you. I won't ask yourself what do I
Speaker 7: want to be when I grow up? Ask yourself what's
Speaker 7: the world I want to live in? And how can
Speaker 7: I help make that happen? And I feel like, now
Speaker 7: in my late thirties, I'm starting to be like, that's
Speaker 7: what I want to do. I just want to figure
Speaker 7: out how can I help?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, that's I got a list, So skip Fico
Speaker 3: and Bill, let's go.
Speaker 6: Oh No, I'm in a list for Mike to help.
Speaker 6: But what you want, don't get Bill, let's.
Speaker 3: My my my.
Speaker 1: What I want my ultimately is to make as much
Speaker 1: money as I can behind the scenes, so I can
Speaker 1: only leave my house when I.
Speaker 3: Feel like it. So that's real good.
Speaker 8: Yeah, to make as much to have enough money to
Speaker 8: where I don't gotta leave my house like and be seen.
Speaker 8: That is real, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that's that's awesome. Yeah, that's what That's also what
Speaker 3: I want, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: It's just I think sometimes you know, when we as desires,
Speaker 8: like you know how Mike you was saying, you know,
Speaker 8: in your twenties, you think, man, I'm gonna do this
Speaker 8: at twenty four. For me, it was very much a
Speaker 8: thing where I think sometimes you know, whatever your belief God,
Speaker 8: you know, whatever the universe, how do you want to
Speaker 8: phrase it? I think sometimes people, you know, in life
Speaker 8: you'll get what you asked for, but not what you
Speaker 8: want it, you know what I mean. It's kind of
Speaker 8: like the Henry Ford thing of like if I asked,
Speaker 8: if I would have asked the public what they wanted,
Speaker 8: they to ask for a faster horse, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. So sometimes I think in life you can
Speaker 8: say if you're that young kid and you just think, Yo,
Speaker 8: I want a record deal. I want to record I
Speaker 8: want to record deal. I want to record deal. And
Speaker 8: you get the record deal and then you realize, oh
Speaker 8: my god, this is ship. So then in the midst
Speaker 8: of that record deal you realize, you know, what what
Speaker 8: I really want is freedom. But you don't get that
Speaker 8: until you don't get the lesson, until you get that
Speaker 8: thing that you thought that you really wanted.
Speaker 3: So for me, I'm just at a point where I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, I admire I like my privacy.
Speaker 3: I like just you know, laying low. I really don't
Speaker 3: do people like that. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: prefer just close company, just people you know, I do
Speaker 3: being kicked yea and everything.
Speaker 8: His answer is my answer, get my bread and just
Speaker 8: be able to lay low. And you ain't got to
Speaker 8: know my name, you ain't got to know. Just know
Speaker 8: my work and know where it's my checks.
Speaker 3: That's it. I want to be the kind of guy
Speaker 3: that can shut a sight down like Gawker, just you know,
Speaker 3: pure spite, Yo, who are you?
Speaker 9: You can't be like the mental terrorists Like I'm like,
Speaker 9: I just want to be able to do my thing.
Speaker 9: You know how I want to do it without all
Speaker 9: the extra hullabaloo and recognition. I want to be a
Speaker 9: little you know, be a regular person, but you know
Speaker 9: that just does extraordinary shit.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, so let me look at my list I
Speaker 6: would like to own. I would like a house in Brazil,
Speaker 6: a house.
Speaker 3: In d C.
Speaker 6: And in all seriousness that I do want a house
Speaker 6: in Brazil and house in DC.
Speaker 10: But I'd just like to get again. I've been doing good.
Speaker 10: I was doing good getting paid to be myself.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 6: I would like to be able to really make a
Speaker 6: living off with that. That'd be great.
Speaker 10: And for a man to say one day, hey, would
Speaker 10: you marry me? Because you know, it's just I heard
Speaker 10: that's kind of nice.
Speaker 6: What a dude does that.
Speaker 10: Don't mean to get all girly on y'all when it
Speaker 10: never happens and you're at a certain age.
Speaker 6: You're like, and then I'd like to use this little
Speaker 6: coaching here for a little baby unusable to use this.
Speaker 2: Or you know, like a.
Speaker 6: Firm, I will take anybody. I have a couple of
Speaker 6: short lists, lady.
Speaker 3: And that's another episode of.
Speaker 12: Steve.
Speaker 6: You don't have any babies, do you? That sugar hereditary
Speaker 6: or is it no, that was that was man made.
Speaker 3: We'll talk across.
Speaker 5: I'll give you one sperm, the.
Speaker 1: Little swimmer that could never had. Okay, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: want this episode to be.
Speaker 7: Wait, but but meir, what do you want?
Speaker 3: What do you want? Now? I feel like my life
Speaker 3: is superficial? Go in, go in like you in the circle.
Speaker 9: Now, well, okay, let me look before you preface it, like,
Speaker 9: you have a skill set that a lot of us
Speaker 9: don't have, and we can't make money off of our
Speaker 9: skill set the way that you can. So you know,
Speaker 9: if if you feel like you know, you're ones a
Speaker 9: little bit more superficial, I'm not mad at that because.
Speaker 3: You have them. You got a lot more tools to
Speaker 3: work with.
Speaker 8: It's like, dude, no, seriously, it's like because you DJ
Speaker 8: and you your incredible drummer and you're famous, so it's
Speaker 8: like you almost okay do I'm gonna tell you. I
Speaker 8: know you have your Mario with the with the mushroom,
Speaker 8: with the big mushroom and the flower.
Speaker 1: When you shoot out the fucking fireball, you're super like
Speaker 1: you're super Mario with all the fucking your powers, all
Speaker 1: your powers.
Speaker 9: All that shit is relative. Okay, how so it's relative. Okay,
Speaker 9: so how can I make a million dollars off of
Speaker 9: my skill set?
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing because if you're thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1: And you say, okay, well here's my final plan, and
Speaker 1: da da da da da, I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that, I like putting a cap on it.
Speaker 3: I didn't see.
Speaker 1: I didn't even imagine that that part of my life
Speaker 1: was ever going to happen. I mean, who starts winning
Speaker 1: at forty four?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 3: Yo, everybody, we just had this conversation.
Speaker 6: Forty four you are now, dude, we just.
Speaker 8: Had I had this conversation with Carl Dude, like actor, right,
Speaker 8: Steve Carrell. We were talking about with Steve Carrell. You know,
Speaker 8: he didn't really start popping.
Speaker 3: He was forty fucking Morgan Freeman. He ain't starting he
Speaker 3: was god damn sixty shit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, all right, my, my, my, real. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's because of this mantra. All right, there's there's
Speaker 1: a Spin magazine that Spike Lee was on the cover
Speaker 1: of back in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: That's just like the Bible to me? Was that the
Speaker 3: one he edited?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they let Spike Lee edit when Mo Beta Blues
Speaker 1: came out or a Jungle Fever.
Speaker 3: The Spin magazine, and.
Speaker 1: He gave an article to Harry Allen Chuffdee to Wright,
Speaker 1: of which those two accurately predicted what their life would
Speaker 1: be like in twenty years now.
Speaker 3: It was nineteen ninety and you know, the Bomb Squad
Speaker 3: and public Enemy was so damn ubiquitous, like.
Speaker 1: Between Bell DeVos poison, if you have a black planet,
Speaker 1: Ice cubes. America's most wanted the Juice soundtrack like they
Speaker 1: were the stand they were the gold standard what the
Speaker 1: hip hop was.
Speaker 3: And they said, we're probably going to fall off in
Speaker 3: about three to four years. Wow, Then our contemporaries will
Speaker 3: sort of discard us out the window.
Speaker 1: The very first time I ever heard of, because Harry
Speaker 1: is such a nerd, the idea of the information super high.
Speaker 1: You know, we will probably be you know, be kicked
Speaker 1: off our label, so we'll be forced to sell records.
Speaker 3: On our own.
Speaker 1: They went with this whole thing, and Chuck's whole thing
Speaker 1: was like, well, not to be a total kill joy,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm also in this business.
Speaker 3: My endgame is to create five thousand black leaders.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: And so I thought, hmm, maybe I could be a
Speaker 3: black leader that that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounded lofty and kind of just like weird,
Speaker 1: like the idea of meditating or whatever. I just read
Speaker 1: it as like this seems a little bitter and whatever.
Speaker 1: But then I realized, like, oh man, that's some legacy shit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's powerful.
Speaker 1: That's some real legacy shit. Well one, they were in
Speaker 1: that miss that eighteen point missions. They were ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent correct of what life was gonna was gonna be
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two. But at that I I
Speaker 1: guess my my, I guess my goal is to.
Speaker 3: Create unmovable, unerasable graffiti.
Speaker 7: That's nice.
Speaker 1: So you don't think you've done that already. I mean
Speaker 1: at the rate where my last class where six of
Speaker 1: my eighteen students.
Speaker 3: Never heard of Thriller.
Speaker 1: That scared me because now I'm realizing that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's one thing where it's like, Okay, you might forget
Speaker 1: EPMD's fourth record, you ain't forgetting.
Speaker 3: But now we got a generation that may or may
Speaker 3: not know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say that Prince had to
Speaker 1: go through his transitional process to be forever etched in
Speaker 1: the memory of a lot of people that he otherwise,
Speaker 1: especially with the way he was going with the you know,
Speaker 1: being off the internet and stuff, you know, like basic
Speaker 1: things that we should take for granted, Like there might
Speaker 1: be a time in twenty sixty where Thriller might not matter.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, something like thrillering the greatest
Speaker 3: selling of album. You know. It's just that's scary to me.
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to but what has lasted? I mean
Speaker 3: other than I mean a song, like I mean happy Birthday?
Speaker 7: I mean what, Yeah, that's there's a whole book about this. Recently,
Speaker 7: Chuck Klosterman wrote about what is in what becomes history
Speaker 7: now and he was saying, like, of all the music
Speaker 7: that exists right now, probably Marching Band Wow, because it's ubiquitous.
Speaker 7: It's in everything. It's ever, every football game, every every movie.
Speaker 3: Will never stop. That's like the Tuxedo of no. I think.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think whatever. My contribution that will last is
Speaker 1: in music, so uh, you know, I you know, is
Speaker 1: it in the food world, is it in radio? Is
Speaker 1: it in creating drum sets for for kids?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think you have to keep going though,
Speaker 3: I think you have to just you know, when we
Speaker 3: say like not stopping. It's not.
Speaker 8: It's just you got to use all the tools in
Speaker 8: your toolbox because you never know which one is going
Speaker 8: to knock the wall down or knock a wall down,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. So it could be it
Speaker 8: could be your fried chicken. I mean, who the fuck knows? Right,
Speaker 8: It just you have to just keep keep going, goy
Speaker 8: laugh like I did.
Speaker 3: I double dog did not be your chicken. That's what I'm.
Speaker 6: Legcy quest left.
Speaker 3: But that would be the black.
Speaker 7: I feel it's disingenuous of me to just say what
Speaker 7: my goals were without pointing out that, like, I'm also
Speaker 7: like ambitious and I want things, but also like you know,
Speaker 7: I don't know, like I I have some Jack and
Speaker 7: me too, like the Jack character in Me Too. I mean,
Speaker 7: if my wife were here, she would like yell at
Speaker 7: me for my answer and be like, that's not what
Speaker 7: you're like at all. You're ambitious, you're selfish things.
Speaker 3: You have to be Jack to write a movie.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and direct a movie yeah, and starting it. Yeah
Speaker 7: you are. I got some of it.
Speaker 1: In We're Here with Mikerobiglia, creator and star of Don't
Speaker 1: Think Twice and also sleep Walk with me and a
Speaker 1: gazillion other projects.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well Orange's new and anyone else wanted.
Speaker 8: To Uh Twitter Bacheler of Suicide Squad, I felt join that.
Speaker 7: Thank you. I got mad at m p a A
Speaker 7: Because they gave me a R Yeah thirteen for smokeing
Speaker 7: adult smoking weed.
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 7: Is that crazy?
Speaker 2: N p A A.
Speaker 7: Man, there's a crazy movie. There's a crazy documentary about that.
Speaker 7: This This movie is not yet raided and it's everdent.
Speaker 3: Hed that so wait, what is the process?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 7: It's not available anywhere?
Speaker 3: Is it? The Four Old People?
Speaker 7: I swear to god, it's so hard. I know, I know,
Speaker 7: but now it's pulled off.
Speaker 1: I feel like, is it like the Huey Lewis High
Speaker 1: School Committee and Back to the Future that watches your movie.
Speaker 7: It's like eight people according to this movie. This movie
Speaker 7: is not yet rated. It's like eight people and they've
Speaker 7: been doing it forever, and I think it. It has
Speaker 7: sort of a moralistic bent to it, you know, And
Speaker 7: a lot of times they'll give notes in the movie.
Speaker 7: They'll be like, uh, we should only see her orgasming
Speaker 7: for eight seconds and not eleven seconds.
Speaker 5: And it's like Bill Sherman's yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Yeah, well so these eight people watch every
Speaker 3: very movie.
Speaker 7: Yeah movie, Yeah, so what if.
Speaker 3: Your film like is shown at like one in the
Speaker 3: morning or something like. I feel like it also depends
Speaker 3: the talented people.
Speaker 7: Just play at art houses. You can have your movie
Speaker 7: be not rated, but then it'll it may not it
Speaker 7: may not end upwhere Yeah, they can't play a movie
Speaker 7: theater or that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: So you wanted this to be PEG thirteen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because there's it's harmless. I feel like teenagers can
Speaker 7: watch it and there's nothing to it. I mean, it's
Speaker 7: just a story about friends. Like I wanted it to
Speaker 7: be like a big chill or like a sant almost
Speaker 7: fire kind of movie for this generation. So I'm like
Speaker 7: the fact that they're kind of making it like taboo
Speaker 7: for anyone's it's just kind of annoying.
Speaker 8: I think it's an adult movie, but it's not like
Speaker 8: a vulgar There's nothing in it that I thought warrants
Speaker 8: it and already.
Speaker 6: He makes it real.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I felt about it.
Speaker 1: But the thing was the main thing that turned me
Speaker 1: off about Suicide Squad was as PG thirteen, I was
Speaker 1: just like just lame, Like if it were are then
Speaker 1: I'd be like a word, okay, I would you know,
Speaker 1: I have the desire to see it, but I did.
Speaker 11: I know why yours is are because you point out
Speaker 11: how all the pettiness and adults.
Speaker 5: People can handle it Like that was the most disturbing
Speaker 5: part to me.
Speaker 11: And really the most memorable part was how they were friends, obviously,
Speaker 11: but but there you know, there's that there's that party
Speaker 11: that's rooting for your friend, that part that's jealous and
Speaker 11: all living side by side and comes out, you know,
Speaker 11: like when when the people in your movie say, oh,
Speaker 11: I just got this the gig or I got the
Speaker 11: writing gig or whatever, and there's there's moments of like
Speaker 11: nobody knows what to say because what you they want
Speaker 11: to say this fuckhy not me.
Speaker 7: A crazy thing about my movie is that I don't
Speaker 7: it's great to talk about it because I can't watch
Speaker 7: anymore because I get choked up. I like start crying
Speaker 7: every time because I feel like I relate to all
Speaker 7: the characters. I feel sad for them.
Speaker 3: What's the moment in the movie that you must relate
Speaker 3: to when.
Speaker 7: The final scene with Jack and Sam?
Speaker 1: But wait, I was gonna say I was for a second,
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to make Jack sabotage his
Speaker 1: moment too.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, nah fuck.
Speaker 3: But for a second he was like, maybe I won't
Speaker 3: take the train of mine. Dude, Lauren's going to kill you.
Speaker 3: But not Lauren, but.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Timothy Timothy.
Speaker 3: So Timothy was.
Speaker 1: Rather kind of douchy though, which I felt like you
Speaker 1: had to make him super doucey so it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: what you think that Lauren is, because Lauren is the
Speaker 1: opposite of that.
Speaker 7: Different, it's different. Yeah, yeah, you know, I just it's
Speaker 7: his own thing. I just wanted to make the boss
Speaker 7: like cold, you know what I mean, just like tough.
Speaker 3: Well where'd that bicycle come from?
Speaker 5: That was my question.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: So there's like, yeah, the wooden bicycle in the movie.
Speaker 7: I live in Brooklyn by this. I always walked by
Speaker 7: this shop that has like Swedish bicycles, and one day
Speaker 7: I walked by and it had like a wooden bicycle.
Speaker 7: I was like, I got to put that in something.
Speaker 7: It's so funny. It's one of the funniest looking things
Speaker 7: I've ever seen.
Speaker 5: Are they like expensive?
Speaker 3: Is that like? Is that why?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think they were like thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the band on the show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a real band.
Speaker 3: They were really exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're called l Yeah.
Speaker 3: How did you? How did you?
Speaker 7: I found them? Just like fishing around for new bands.
Speaker 7: My wife and I just we listened to a lot
Speaker 7: of new bands and and we just found that band.
Speaker 5: That's a real band. They were because who sang the
Speaker 5: Dylan song at the end.
Speaker 7: It's piano by Roger Neil it's piano instrumental. Who there's
Speaker 7: a composer, yeah, in the credits and uh. And Dylan
Speaker 7: was nice enough to I mean I don't I never
Speaker 7: met Bob Dylan, but he was, you know, his manager,
Speaker 7: Jeff Rosen, was nice enough to let us have that
Speaker 7: sound for for next to nothing. It's really generous. I mean,
Speaker 7: Bob Dylan's really good to independent film like He's I
Speaker 7: have to say, like that guy is like really gives
Speaker 7: it up to a lot of movies for very little money.
Speaker 7: It's nice talk about talk about legacy. He's a guy
Speaker 7: who's I think very kind of focused on sort of passing,
Speaker 7: you know, paying it forward to the next generation.
Speaker 6: Is that like a small collective of no musicians that
Speaker 6: do kind of kind of cater I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean George Clinton, Bob Dylan, is that well, George
Speaker 1: Clinton always uh uh charged the lowest rate possible for
Speaker 1: his music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of the crack theory, like you give him,
Speaker 3: get your test. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna comment
Speaker 3: on that. Why George George George George cleaned himself up.
Speaker 3: So yeah, oh yeah, but yeah, it's the crack theory.
Speaker 3: Give you a little taste, yeah, give you taste, and
Speaker 3: then and then get you addicted, and then he keep
Speaker 3: coming back.
Speaker 7: But oh, by the way, Dylan is a great example
Speaker 7: of the guy who has always he never he never stopped.
Speaker 7: He kept going. He keeps making new albums. He's not
Speaker 7: like the Stones. He doesn't go out and do the hits.
Speaker 7: He's just he keeps like making new music.
Speaker 3: Side note, the Dylan that I know like the back
Speaker 3: of my hand, just the Christian era. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Christian there.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, there's a whole bunch of albums in there.
Speaker 1: There's a Christian Yeah, there's like four records that between
Speaker 1: like seventy six.
Speaker 3: And Infidels, like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So when my parents were on their Christian kick with
Speaker 1: only Christian radio in the house. I thought Bob Dylan
Speaker 1: was a Christian artist.
Speaker 7: That's amazing. I didn't know about That's incredible.
Speaker 9: Didn't didn't deal and also do some records with Full
Speaker 9: Force and No No with salam Remy and Curtis Blow.
Speaker 3: Whoa what dog?
Speaker 1: Salam Remy was Salam's father was a staff person at
Speaker 1: Mercury so eighty forty five. He was already at like
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen years old producing Curtis Blow that America album Wow,
Speaker 1: the Kingdom Come album backed by popular demand.
Speaker 3: Salam Remy, salam.
Speaker 1: Remy at like fifteen sixteen years old. You know, Salamay
Speaker 1: did the Payback mix, the James.
Speaker 3: Brown Pai that. Wait, I didn't know that. I didn't
Speaker 3: know that. I did think that the Payback the Payback mix,
Speaker 3: which one is it?
Speaker 9: It's that James Brown Like there's like a James Brown
Speaker 9: Master Mix. Oh wow, yeah you know it if you
Speaker 9: heard it.
Speaker 1: So side rabbit Hole, that's a really big album, Rabbit
Speaker 1: the rabbit Hole starting quest Questlove's rabbit Hole.
Speaker 2: Too late.
Speaker 1: Now Yeah, well, Mike, I I have to say, uh,
Speaker 1: thank you really a sincere thanks uh for creating a
Speaker 1: conversation piece and something really universal, like it's rare. It's
Speaker 1: super rare that, uh that I see or witness something
Speaker 1: that I totally relate to and they don't necessarily look
Speaker 1: like me per se, but I totally see myself in
Speaker 1: those characters.
Speaker 3: You know. I really I can't thank you enough for it,
Speaker 3: like that I needed to.
Speaker 1: I really need to see that film and thank you
Speaker 1: for creatings.
Speaker 6: Thanks a lot of thanks for giving up to the
Speaker 6: improv community too, like that was dope.
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on and this is this is
Speaker 7: this is awesome.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. Go see the movie. Go see yesh.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's twice.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's in It's in like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 7: theaters in the country right now. And uh, don't think
Speaker 7: twicemovie dot com if you want to find out where
Speaker 7: it is.
Speaker 3: I have to say.
Speaker 1: This is uh this, this is this is one of
Speaker 1: them deep cut episodes. I suppose it's one of them
Speaker 1: deep cuts. All right, So what did you learn Telo today?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 8: I learned today that Amir Thompson is one of the
Speaker 8: most shallow motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Fucking paper chasing keep up with the Jones ass fucking.
Speaker 6: Yo.
Speaker 3: It's gonna make a great album. Nah manh nah Man.
Speaker 3: I learned that. I learned that from from Mike.
Speaker 8: Just that whole man, just that whole thing about the sleepwalking,
Speaker 8: Like that's just imagine, Like I mean, just having the
Speaker 8: courage to share something like that and uh, just you know,
Speaker 8: knowing that you gotta deal with that all your life.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just something crazy.
Speaker 8: But I mean he is definitely one of the favorite
Speaker 8: people that I've introduced a lot of stuff that he's saying.
Speaker 8: He I hear myself in that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 8: in terms of getting older, you know, hitting that kind
Speaker 8: of late thirties, not being old, but just older and
Speaker 8: just being able to put things in perspective, you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. He was very you know his movie
Speaker 8: Like hearing him talk about the process of how you know,
Speaker 8: twenty two working the door at the comedy seller and
Speaker 8: thinking you're gonna do your first movie bout twenty four,
Speaker 8: which you don't do it till ten years later. I
Speaker 8: mean that resonates so much. Man, Like that, you know
Speaker 8: when people say that the entertainment and this is me
Speaker 8: in unpaid We've had this conversation on Texas up before
Speaker 8: when people say that the entertainment, you know, it takes
Speaker 8: hard work.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone ever realizes how much hard work
Speaker 1: it is. I don't think they realize that. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be ten, fifteen, twenty years of just fucking
Speaker 1: slavery until one day.
Speaker 8: You'll see like and it's like, oh shit, you know
Speaker 8: we made it. But yeah, man, I learned that a
Speaker 8: lot of our stories are very similar.
Speaker 3: Cool big ups to Mic, unpaid Bill, What did you
Speaker 3: learn today?
Speaker 2: I learned that I need to keep a running document
Speaker 2: of Fonte's quotes. Number one, number two I learned, I thought, well,
Speaker 2: cashing in versus sell out. I thought that was a
Speaker 2: fascinating idea because I've never ever heard that before.
Speaker 3: Don't forget pulling out, Well.
Speaker 5: That's.
Speaker 2: Nuttingtting. Yeah, you know, and I would, honestly, I would
Speaker 2: not have watched that movie had we not been here
Speaker 2: talking to Mike, because I don't ever watch movies because
Speaker 2: I don't have any goddamn time.
Speaker 3: But I was like, yeah, you're in the industry.
Speaker 2: Well I know, but but I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: It's the one thing that like is farn to me.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't go to the movies. I don't
Speaker 2: know kids, man, kids, but but I was. I was
Speaker 2: saying that that I haven't seen a movie like that
Speaker 2: in a while. That was so universal, that appealed to
Speaker 2: me in a way that I thought I was almost
Speaker 2: after I watched it, I was embarrassed coming here and
Speaker 2: to say to everybody that's about me, like that movie
Speaker 2: is straight up my life like that, like except the
Speaker 2: improv ship, which is not that, but like having a
Speaker 2: group of friends. Wait, I know I play.
Speaker 3: This is the improv. We are improv.
Speaker 2: It's true. It's true. Yea uh yeah, yeah yeah, So
Speaker 2: I I was just I was. It was just interesting
Speaker 2: to see how universally your own story is and how
Speaker 2: other people share that ship. And it's nice to know
Speaker 2: that the journey of life is with other people.
Speaker 3: True. There you go, paid Steve question. So what would
Speaker 3: you learn, Steve?
Speaker 11: I learned that Mike Bigley, his name is not I
Speaker 11: learned a lot about him. He's an introspective, bright guy
Speaker 11: that's good grip on things and it's creative. And but
Speaker 11: like unpaid Bill, I didn't think I was going to
Speaker 11: be into the movie. I'm not into independent films. I'm
Speaker 11: not into improv I don't like being told to watch
Speaker 11: a movie. Sorry, but but again, like these guys that
Speaker 11: came out of it, sort of thinking, you know, I
Speaker 11: can relate to Summer all of those characters in the sense,
Speaker 11: especially in the sense of what I brought up to
Speaker 11: him that that's sort of duality of rooting for your
Speaker 11: friends and also sort of having that constant jealousy to
Speaker 11: beat them to the finish line.
Speaker 8: There's an Oscar Wild quote about that where it's like,
Speaker 8: you know, it's something to the effect of you can
Speaker 8: it's easy. Basically, it's easy to be friends in times
Speaker 8: of sympathy when your friends need this sympathy, But can
Speaker 8: you be a friend in their time of success? Like
Speaker 8: that's what tests friendships.
Speaker 2: It's not just quote Oscar Wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck you man.
Speaker 2: Every time we do this ship you you will quote
Speaker 2: the dumbest television show, the dumbest.
Speaker 3: Smartest rapper and then like an.
Speaker 2: Are you.
Speaker 3: To the top of my hands? Brother?
Speaker 2: To be alone by yourself, like with the money and
Speaker 2: just like like novels, like you could be in prison.
Speaker 2: I know anyway, Sorry, un paid bill, what did you learn? No,
Speaker 2: that's paid Bill. I'm paid Bill.
Speaker 3: What did I learn.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think everybody's pretty much already touched on
Speaker 9: it so far. You know, just watching the movie, which
Speaker 9: probably wasn't a movie I would have normally watched, but
Speaker 9: like by the end of it, I got so wrapped
Speaker 9: up in it because, like like everybody said, it was
Speaker 9: like watching my life on screen. Like I'm not I'm
Speaker 9: not in improv, I'm not you know, into I'm not
Speaker 9: a musician or anything, but just so much much of
Speaker 9: it rings true with just seeing being on Facebook every
Speaker 9: day and seeing what my friends are doing and see
Speaker 9: where I am in life, and you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 9: and some people I'm ahead of, some people I'm way behind.
Speaker 9: So you know, it's it's it's I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 9: Getting old, it's it kind of sucked.
Speaker 3: I don't like it. How old are you?
Speaker 9: I'm thirty six, I said, I said, getting older. No,
Speaker 9: I thought you were like forty six. Now I am
Speaker 9: a year in like a week or something younger than Fonte. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I'm a year a week younger than you.
Speaker 3: Look, man, I don't like this.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm not saying everybody's journey gotta be
Speaker 1: my journey. But again, I was kind of ready, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty eight, thirty nine. I was like, well, this was nice,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 1: But I'm like you and then you know, evidently like
Speaker 1: a window open. I'm just saying that it can happen late,
Speaker 1: but a.
Speaker 3: Lot of tight.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's That's what I'm proc, dude, that's
Speaker 1: that's not late. I think that's kind of poor for
Speaker 1: the chorus. I mean, well, yeah, but just a lot
Speaker 1: you usually.
Speaker 3: Post thirty five, we start like, okay, might as well.
Speaker 9: I think you're just looking at it from the perspective
Speaker 9: of being in the music industry, and like in any
Speaker 9: any other field, you know, just.
Speaker 3: Say, man with like twelve syllables, okay, in.
Speaker 9: Any other industry, most people don't find success in their twenties.
Speaker 3: So you know, man, talk about it.
Speaker 10: I think we we're the generation that was. I always
Speaker 10: say that Diddy messed it up. I say that Diddy
Speaker 10: messed it up when he quit college and kept doing
Speaker 10: those trips to New York and got success early and
Speaker 10: became millionaires. And everybody looked at Diddy and was like,
Speaker 10: you know what, it could be done by twenty something,
Speaker 10: but not for you.
Speaker 1: Oh I feel you me, I telt you met him
Speaker 1: having a successful rap career as.
Speaker 3: A non rapper.
Speaker 6: That's how Kim Kardashian looked at it. But I'm just
Speaker 6: saying that, oh, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, diddy' is the beginning of the quarter personality, right, so,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it starts with them and ends with Kim.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 6: But here's what I learned today that you were asking,
Speaker 6: mister Loft.
Speaker 10: Mister, I learned that I'm like, y'all, I'm really in
Speaker 10: the improv stand up a couple of times and whatnot.
Speaker 10: And so for Mike, I've realized that, you know what,
Speaker 10: it's it's possible to live your dreams and it's possible
Speaker 10: to use all these tools for the greater good. Because
Speaker 10: I'm hoping at some point did all those classes and
Speaker 10: I pro groups and stuff lead.
Speaker 6: So I'm just saying that's what I learned today.
Speaker 3: It's led you to this.
Speaker 6: Oh that's right, I made it.
Speaker 2: Yeah you did?
Speaker 3: What did you learn? Like? Seeing being the l now
Speaker 3: as the leader of this flock?
Speaker 1: Now, I feel like I'm gonna let you all down
Speaker 1: again because the one thing I learned I'm gonna try tonight.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna sleeping and sleeping.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're gonna pot it out.
Speaker 6: I just.
Speaker 3: I ain't going with the mints to.
Speaker 6: Make sure I have the inside zipper though, because you.
Speaker 3: Well, no, only only because I'm one of those people
Speaker 3: who's uh air conditioning Like you ever? Are you ever.
Speaker 1: So cold in the morning or hot in the morning
Speaker 1: that you're too lazy to get out of bed just
Speaker 1: change the temperature day you just rather suffer.
Speaker 3: Through it and just hope that take your clothes off
Speaker 3: or right, I'm one.
Speaker 1: Of those lazy can't walk to the air conditioner just
Speaker 1: to turn it down or whatever. So right now, like
Speaker 1: my my joint is like on freeze freeze time's pie.
Speaker 3: Like my room's like forty one degrees.
Speaker 6: Like tell then we call that strip club weather?
Speaker 3: Is that we call it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Because that's they kept the nipples hard. That's how to
Speaker 6: keep the nipples hard.
Speaker 5: And I also want to say, electric ladies the bomb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we got couches and we sitting.
Speaker 5: This is better than that, Yes, Persia, Yes, it's it's.
Speaker 1: It's it's important, quite awesome to to come back home
Speaker 1: to uh electrical lady and uh until next time, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: On behalf of boss bill and and unpaid Bill and Lie.
Speaker 3: All right, let you Beck and fin take. My name
Speaker 3: is quest Love and this is question only Onda quest
Speaker 3: Love Supreme.
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