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Speaker 1: of the Black and Gold s Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lilly here with Matt Williamson, and as expected

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Speaker 1: here now that we're in April, it's all draft all

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Speaker 1: day today, and we got a mock draft to go

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Speaker 1: through here. This one's from Bruce Feldman of the Athletic Um.

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Speaker 1: Matt uh. Once you introduce our readers to what what

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Speaker 1: Bruce does with his mock drifts, Yeah, and Bruce is

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Speaker 1: well known as the freak list guy. And what the

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Speaker 1: hecks of freaklist Williamson, Well, he's been doing this before

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Speaker 1: the Athletic even exists, where he's very tied in with

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Speaker 1: college programs and gets a ton of these kids workout numbers,

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Speaker 1: and he's come up with a hundred college players doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter if they're eligible to the draft or not before

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Speaker 1: the college season every year and he calls it his

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Speaker 1: freak list. And and what the freak list is are

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Speaker 1: the crazy testers, you know, the this guy is gonna

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Speaker 1: run out run unbelievably. Well, he's really dialed in with

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Speaker 1: so now he's hired. Now he's works with the athletic

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Speaker 1: and does some national stuff for them as well. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not even interested as much of this guy's landing

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Speaker 1: here or this guy's going fifth when I thought he'd

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Speaker 1: go seventh. But he has a lot of good quotes

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Speaker 1: thought was pretty valuable. Yeah. So number one he has

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Speaker 1: not has expected Aidan Hutchinson. Um, not a surprise there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but he said, you know, he talks about the coaching

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Speaker 1: in tells what a great leader this guy is um

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Speaker 1: and you know he's just a locker room changer. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: they need guys like that too. He has Trayvon Walker

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Speaker 1: over the weekend that I guess his first year in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: next pass rush move and all that and that works

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Speaker 1: skeptical because well, Walkers are freak Yeah. And one of

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Speaker 1: leader diagnosis plays, you know, sidelines is sideline. Do you

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Speaker 1: know right, yeah it's sixtys Kenny Pickett. When you get

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Speaker 1: That's what people need to realize. So they also don't

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Speaker 1: looks like he has it. He just never gets beat.

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Speaker 1: not great. He was a non factor in so many games.

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Speaker 1: me of Josh Rosen. I think they're both really good

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Speaker 1: you know. Or again, he has other interests, and other

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Speaker 1: the Eagles and take dean um. You know, smart men.

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