1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: From the Bloomberg Interactive Burgers Studios. This is Bloomberg day 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Break for Thursday, May eleventh. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Coming up today, Janet Yellen says a debt default could 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: impact national security. 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump orges Republicans to get spending cuts or push 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: the country into default. 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: The Biden administration warrants of difficulty at the border as 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Title forty two winds. 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: And Disney shares slump as subscriber growth falls. 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 3: New York Manior Adams calls for more mental health services 11 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: after the chokehold death of a homeless man. Plus Democrat 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: Dane Feinstein was back on the Senate floor. I'm Michael Barr. 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: Or ahead, I'm. 14 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 4: John Stanstown Swards. The Knicks kept their season alive. They 15 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 4: beat the Heat and game five wins for the Mets 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 4: and Yankees. 17 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 5: That's all straight Ahead on Bloomberg day Break, the business 18 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 5: news you need to starn your day in just one 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 5: fifteen minute podcast each morning on Apples, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business. 20 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 6: Appen everywhere you get your podcasts. 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: And I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're following today. 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 2: We begin with the debt ceiling stalemate. Treasury Secretary Janet 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: Yellen says failure to avoid a default would have devastating consequences. 25 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 7: In my assessment, and that if economists across the board, 26 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 7: a default on US obligations would produce an economic and 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 7: financial catastrophe. A default would threaten the gains that we've 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 7: worked so hard to make over the past few years 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 7: in our pandemic recovery, and it would spark a global 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 7: downturn that would set us back much further. 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: Speaking at the G seven in Japan, Yellen said a 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: default would also undermine Washington's ability to defend national security. Meanwhile, 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: President Biden says an agreement needs to be reached. 34 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 8: If we default on our debt, the whole world is 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 8: in trouble. This is a manufactured crisis. There's no question 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 8: about America's ability to pay its bills. Am strongest economy 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 8: in the world. We should be cutting spending the lower 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 8: in the depth, so without a needless crisis, in a 39 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 8: responsible way. 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: President Biden is scheduled to resume debt talks with House 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: Speaker Kevin McCarthy tomorrow. It's a subject we will address 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: in an exclusive interview with Janet Yellen. Tune in for 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: that conversation with the Treasury Secretary tomorrow morning. On Bloomberg Daybreak. 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: Meantime, Nathan Donald Trump is weighing in on debt ceiling talks. 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: The Republican presidential front runner is urging his party not 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: to give in. 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 9: I say to the Republicans out there, congressman, senators, if 48 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 9: they don't give you massive cuts, you're going to have 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 9: to do a default. And I don't believe they're going 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 9: to do a default because I think the Democrats will 51 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 9: absolutely cave. 52 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: Former President Trump made the comments at a town hall 53 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: event with CNN last night. 54 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: Well, the default deadline, Karen, isn't the only one we're following. 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: This morning. Hundreds of US troops are being deployed to 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: the US southern border, along with marshalls, immigration officials, and 57 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: the National Guard, as Title forty two restrictions come to 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: an end. Amy Morris has details from our Bloomberg ninety 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: nine one newsroom in Washington. 60 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 10: Title forty two allowed US officials to expel migrants who 61 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 10: crossed the southern border because of COVID restrictions, but the 62 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 10: COVID Health Emergency was allowed to expire, and so was 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 10: Title forty two. New immigration policies will be in effect 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 10: at the border, and the Biden administration is bracing for 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 10: a new wave of migrants. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandra Mayorcis 66 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 10: tells ABC difficult days lie ahead. 67 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 4: Make no mistake about it. It's going to be difficult 68 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 4: for a while, and that is indeed what we are experiencing. 69 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 10: The US has agreements with several countries to deny entry 70 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 10: and send migrants back to their country of origin. Regional 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 10: centers are also being set up to determine asylum status 72 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 10: before they even start their journey, and it will be 73 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 10: harder to claim asylum status in Washington. I Amy Morris 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 10: Bloomberg Daybreak. 75 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: All right, Amy, thanks well. Elsewhere in politics and New York, 76 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: Congressman George Santo sash Fleeta not guilty to a broad 77 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: range of fraud and money laundering charges the Long Island 78 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: or Allan is to find mounting pressure that he resigned. 79 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 11: I'm gonna fight my battle, I'm gonna deliver, I'm gonna 80 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 11: fight the witchard. 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: I'm going to take care of Clary my name, and 82 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: I look forward to doing that. 83 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: And Congressman Santos spoke outside a federal courthouse on Long 84 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: Island after posting a half million dollar bond. The thirteen 85 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: count indictment accuses Santos of using campaign donations for his 86 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: personal benefit, applying for jobless benefits while he was working 87 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, and lying to the House of Representatives. 88 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: Let's turn the markets now, Karen. We're watching shares of 89 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: Disney this morning. They're down more than five percent. Profit 90 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: was in line with estimates, but the company's streaming service, 91 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: Disney Plus, lost subscribers for the second straight quarter. Geeta 92 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: Ronganathan covers Disney for Bloomberg Intelligence. 93 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 12: The subscriber loss is a little bit concerning. We do 94 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 12: know that they implemented a forty percent price hike on 95 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 12: their Disney Plus service towards the end of last year, 96 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 12: so it's going to be interesting to see whether it 97 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 12: was the churn that kind of cossed that subscriber loss. 98 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: Keita Ronganathan with Bloomberg Intelligence says paid subscriptions to this 99 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: d Plus fell below one hundred and fifty eight million, 100 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: analysts that expected just over one hundred and sixty three million. 101 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: Melana Economic Front today, Nathan, we will get our second 102 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: reading on inflation in as many days. 103 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 10: This time, it's day. 104 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: On April's producer prices, we get a preview from Bloomberg's 105 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: Michael McKee. 106 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 13: A rebound is forecast after producer prices unexpectedly fell in March. 107 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 13: The drop didn't lead to a fall in consumer prices, 108 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 13: which rose during April. The two series don't directly translate, 109 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 13: as processing, transportation, and other middleman costs affect what consumers pay. 110 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 13: That said, a small increase in wholesale prices in April 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 13: would still leave headline and core PPI inflation lower for 112 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 13: the year, a trend that would be a good sign 113 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 13: at least that the Fed is on the right track 114 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 13: and its efforts to bring down inflation, although today's report 115 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 13: likely will have no impact on their next policy decision 116 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 13: in June. Michael McKee Bloomberg Daybreak. 117 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: No Mike Thanks. In Europe, the Bank of England set 118 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: to raise interest rates by a quarter point today. The 119 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,559 Speaker 2: move would take the UK's base ate to its highest 120 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: level since two thousand and eight. The Bloomberg UK correspondent 121 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: Lizzie Burden says, we are not expecting a unanimous decision 122 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: from the Central Bank, and. 123 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 14: We are expecting a quarter point height to four point 124 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 14: five percent, but there is going to be a vote 125 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 14: split on the committee. Economists reckon it'll be the same 126 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 14: as last time, seven to two, because you've got doves 127 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 14: like Silvana ten Rairo saying to be a hawk right 128 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 14: now is like being a fool in the shower. 129 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: Time out to take a look at some of the 130 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: other stories making news in New York and around the 131 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: world with Bloomberg's Michael By. 132 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: Good Morning, Michael, Good morning, Nathan. New York Mayor Eric 133 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: Adams is calling for more mental health services following the 134 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: chokehold death of a homeless man on a city subway train. 135 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: Authority s Jordan Neely had a history of mental illness 136 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: before he was choked to death allegedly by a Marine veteran. 137 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 3: Daniel Penny says Neely was acting aggressively in the subway car. 138 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 15: Mayor Adams Jordan Neely did not deserve to die, and 139 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 15: all of us must work together to do more for 140 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 15: brothers and sisters struggling with serious mental illness. 141 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: Mayor Adams says the circumstances surrounding Neely's death are still 142 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: being investigated. California Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein appeared on the 143 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: Senate floor and voted on measures. The oldest serving US 144 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: senator returned to the Capitol in a wheelchair as she 145 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: continues to recover from shingles. Her absence has been a 146 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: problem for Democrats who need her votes on the Judiciary 147 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: Committee to confirm judicial nominees. Peru's government will allow the 148 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: extradition to the US of the prime suspect in the 149 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: unsolved two thousand and five disappearance of American student Natalie 150 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: Holloway to Aruba. Dutch citizen Jordan van der Slut wi 151 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: a faced trial for alleged extortion and wire fraud charges 152 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: stemming from the Holloway case. Van der Slute is currently 153 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: serving a twenty eight year sentence in Peru for the 154 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: murder of a young Peruvian woman. It is a growing 155 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: problem for hospitals namesationwide cyber attacks. Experts say the number 156 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: of attacks has doubled since twenty sixteen and is driving 157 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: up the cost of medical care. For twenty eight days, 158 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: the University of Vermont Medical Center was on the business 159 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: end of a ransomware attack in twenty twenty. Doctor Stephen Leffler, 160 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: president of UVM Medical Center. 161 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 16: We've had three years of COVID. This was much harder 162 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 16: by a factor of ten. There were people that were 163 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 16: scheduled for staging cancer operations, and we had to make 164 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 16: a decision should we do it? And we did them 165 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 16: when it was appropriate. Some we're able to delay. 166 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: Doctor Leffler says. Thirteen hundred hospital servers and five thousand 167 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 3: computers had to be wiped. A job so big, Vermont's 168 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: governor called in the National Guard. She played Bobby Spencer 169 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 3: on the longtime ABC soap General Hospital. 170 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 17: I have a younger. 171 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 10: I tossed a picture of Margaret Ritis all over you. 172 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: Jackie Zeman has died at age seventy. Global News twenty 173 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: four hours a day, powered by more than twenty seven 174 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: hundred journalist nailists in over one hundred and twenty countries. 175 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: I'm Michael Barr. This is Bloomberg ninth. 176 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: Thanks Michael. Time now for the Bloomberg Sports update with 177 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: John Stanshaller. 178 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 4: All right, Nathan long way to go to come back 179 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 4: and win the series, but the Knicks and their fans 180 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: did not want to see the season end on the 181 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: garden floor. In Game five didn't look great early they 182 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 4: heat went up by ten. Then a good Nick finish 183 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: the first half. 184 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 11: Seconds Randal pushing, crowd rising feats fire's the three knocks 185 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 11: it down with point six to go cash out. The 186 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 11: file drives the lay play up with the bust or dish, 187 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 11: and that's. 188 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 4: Gonna do it. 189 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: The first half of the. 190 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 11: Books ending with a randall three Knicks by three at 191 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,239 Speaker 11: fifty to forty seven, took Game five. 192 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: On ESPN New York. 193 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: Knicks then had an eighteen to two run third quarter, 194 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: went up by nineteen. Sure enough, Miami rallied cut it 195 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 4: down to two. Nicks held on one thirteen, one oh 196 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 4: two Jalen Bruns and carried them, played all forty eight minutes, 197 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 4: scored thirty eight points, and the Knicks lived to play 198 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 4: another day Tomorrow night. Game six in Miami. Golden State 199 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: did the same same thing one Game five at home, 200 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: now needing two more Team six with the Lakers tomorrow 201 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 4: in LA Sixers and Nuggets own three two leagus pair 202 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 4: of Game six is tonight. The NBA has iired retired 203 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: legendary Duke coach Mike Skiesheski is a special advisor for operations. 204 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 4: The Heat not the only eight seed from South Florida 205 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: that was last night trying to advance to the conference final. 206 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 4: The Panthers had lost in April twenty third. Going for 207 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: a sweep, Toronto stayed alive, winning two to one. Edmonton 208 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: beat Vegas. The Devils faced elimination tonight, GEAM five at Carolina. 209 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 4: Justin Verlanders first win as a met two to one 210 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: at Cincinnati, the Yankees first series sweep, eleven three rout 211 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 4: of lowly open Tonight at the Stadium, the start of 212 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 4: a big four game series with Tampa Bay. The Giants 213 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 4: learned their game at Philadelphia. We'll be on Christmas and 214 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: the Jets will host Miami on Black Friday. John Stashow 215 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: at Bloomberg. 216 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 6: Sports Live from coast to coast, from New York to 217 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 6: San Francisco, Boston to Washington, d C. Nationwide on SiriusXM, 218 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 6: the Bloomberg Business app in Bloomberg dot Com. This is 219 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. The fight over 220 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 6: the debt ceiling in the US is now getting international attention. 221 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 6: Pressure is building on the White House in Congress to 222 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 6: come to an agreement. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is in Japan, 223 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 6: warning a default on US obligations would be unthinkable. 224 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 7: America should never default. It would be tremendously economically and 225 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 7: financially damaging. 226 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: Secretary Yellen spoke ahead of the G seven Finance minister 227 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: summit in Japan. Let's bring in Julie Norman once again 228 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: for more on the debt ceiling. FY Julie's co director 229 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: of the Center on US Politics at University College London. 230 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: Good morning, Julie. The Treasury Secretary is saying that if 231 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: the US does flirt with default, it would undermine America's 232 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: international standing effect national security. Does that add any further 233 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: pressure on lawmakers back in Washington? 234 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 17: Good morning, Nathan. I wish I could say that yes 235 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 17: it would, But honestly, you know, Yellen's statements, as important 236 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 17: as they are, are things that are hopefully well known 237 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 17: to everyone involved in this debate already, that the states 238 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 17: of this are extremely high, not only for the United States, 239 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 17: but indeed for the world's economy, for the US's sense 240 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 17: of leadership within that, and for global market. So I 241 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 17: don't think she's saying anything that's a surprise to anyone. 242 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 17: It is important that she is saying this at the 243 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 17: G seven, But what's really going to matter is what 244 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 17: is hashed out in Washington, and unfortunately we're still not 245 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 17: seeing much more movement there. 246 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: Are you surprised that the Treasury Secretary is not in 247 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: Washington right now when we are about three weeks from 248 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: the x state that she set. 249 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 17: Well, I mean the Jisuban Finance meeting I think is 250 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 17: important as well, and you know it's it's again a 251 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 17: place where US leadership on economic issues is central, and 252 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 17: so it's important for her to be there, I think 253 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 17: as well. And look, Yellen, I think was sounding the 254 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 17: alarmed bell was about this, you know, months and day advance. 255 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 17: She has been a very vocal advocate for trying to 256 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 17: get this worked out from the very beginning. So whether 257 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 17: she's making comments you know, from Asia or in the 258 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 17: US right now, I don't think it's going to make 259 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 17: or break the issue. But the important thing is that 260 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 17: she's weighing in and she has been doing that consistently. 261 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: And now we're hearing former President Donald Trump way in 262 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: as well the CNN town hall last night saying Republicans 263 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: should go for default if they don't get deep spending cuts. 264 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: What does that add to this. 265 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 17: Julie, Yeah, Well, unfortunately, I think it does give a 266 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 17: bit more cover to representatives in the House who want 267 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 17: to just double down on this. It makes it a 268 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 17: bit harder, I think for McCarthy to, even if he 269 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 17: was able to negotiate some kind of agreement with Biden, 270 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 17: which is very very far down the road, the idea 271 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 17: that he could get everyone in his caucus on board. 272 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 17: With Trump saying things like this, it just makes it 273 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 17: that much harder. So I do think it muddies things 274 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 17: even further when Trump is weighing in, and you know, 275 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 17: it rallies base members who may not have been following 276 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 17: this issue before. But when Trump starts saying things, people 277 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 17: often pay attention and start pressuring that way. 278 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: Does it get the attention of the people that we're 279 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: told are negotiating behind the scenes at the staff level 280 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,359 Speaker 2: to try to come to some kind of middle ground. 281 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 17: To a point, honestly, I think those who are at 282 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 17: the staff level actually do want to get some kind 283 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 17: of deal through. They are very aware of what the 284 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 17: stakes are, and I do think the four congressional leaders 285 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 17: and Biden who are meeting are all very well aware, 286 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 17: but they're all very well aware of the politics around them. Also, 287 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 17: I think Biden has learned and perhaps overlearned the lessons 288 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 17: from the twenty eleven negotiations and is a bit wary 289 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 17: of negotiating with House seeker who just doesn't think has 290 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 17: the leverage to push through any kind of negotiated settlement. 291 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 17: They don't want to eat big spending cuts like the 292 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 17: Obama administration did. But at the same time, I think 293 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 17: Biden has also taking political hit by looking like he's 294 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 17: not negotiating good faith or being willing to have even 295 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 17: a bipartisan conversation. 296 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: And this all sets u us up for the second 297 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: round of talks coming up tomorrow. Do you think there's 298 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: going to be any further progress to come out of 299 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: the latest discussions? So you got about a minute left here. 300 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 17: Yeah, I wish I could say yes, My sense of 301 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 17: this is still going to be a little bit more 302 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 17: drawn out than that. I think the most we can 303 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 17: hope for is some kind of mini agreements with that 304 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 17: would allow for an extension for more extended negotiations to 305 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 17: go on. What I think we see Biden and Democrats 306 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 17: doing now is trying to see if they can get 307 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 17: some modern Republicans in the House would maybe vote along 308 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 17: with a Democrat bill that would be more of a 309 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 17: clean lift, and they seem to still want to see 310 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 17: where they can get there before they make too many concessions. 311 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 17: So again important is always that they're meeting the sense 312 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 17: of a breakthrough. 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