1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,279 Jane Seymour: Welcome back to she Pivots. I'm Jane Seymour. 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: Welcome back to she Pivots, the podcast where we talk 3 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: with women who dare to pivot out of one career 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: and into something new and explore how their personal lives 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:32,199 Emily Tisch Sussman: impacts these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. When 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,199 Emily Tisch Sussman: I say the name Jane Seymour, you probably think of 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: doctor Quinn, medicine woman, or one of her many iconic 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: roles in films like Wedding Crashers or the Bond film 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,159 Emily Tisch Sussman: Live and Let Die. But what you probably don't know 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: is that behind the fame and elegance, Jane has lived 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: a life marked by resilience, reinvention, and a quiet kind 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: of courage that has helped her navigate some really dark moments. 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: I have to going into this conversation, I was a 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: bit nervous. I mean, she's Jane Seymour, but her warmth 15 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: and openness put me at ease. Despite the glitz and 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: glamour of her decorated life, Jane shares stories not about 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: her Emmy or Golden Globe winds, but about how she 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: rebuilt her life after everything fell apart. Jane was at 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,959 Emily Tisch Sussman: the height of her career, but privately facing financial devastation 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: and betrayal after her ex husband lost all of their money. 21 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: During our conversation, she shared how she nearly lost her 22 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: home and had to start over in true she pivots fashion, 23 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: Jane talked about how her lowest moment was a vehicle 24 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: for transformation and how it landed her in her most 25 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: iconic role as Doctor Quinn. She talks about saying yes 26 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: to new opportunities, to love, to healing, and how that 27 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: mindset helped her create an entirely new chapter for herself 28 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: in her fifties, sixties, and beyond. Jane is a horse. 29 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: She's prooved that pivots aren't always glamorous, but they can 30 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: be powerful, and I'm so grateful. She shared this version 31 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: of her story with us. 32 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,720 Jane Seymour: Enjoy. 33 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Jane Seymour: My name is Jane Seymour and I am an actress, 34 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:31,560 Jane Seymour: a producer, author, artist, mother, grandmother and philanthropist. 35 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: We're gonna go we grow in chronological order, so we'll 36 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: start with you as a little kid. Tell us about 37 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,919 Emily Tisch Sussman: where you grew up, Like, what were you like as 38 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:42,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: a little kid. 39 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,640 Jane Seymour: My father was an obstetrician and gynecologist, and my mother 40 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,200 Jane Seymour: was not just a mother and a homemaker. She also 41 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,680 Jane Seymour: ran an office out of this tiny house, and she 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,079 Jane Seymour: had a company she called Overseas and Diplomatic Supply Company Limited, 43 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Jane Seymour: and she supplied wine, spirits and tobacco to the Pakistan 44 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,480 Jane Seymour: High Commission and the Russian Embassy, whilst raising three children, 45 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,360 Jane Seymour: all of whom she had a year and four months 46 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Jane Seymour: between each of us. And she had a next door 47 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:19,240 Jane Seymour: neighbor was a secretary who came to work and she 48 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,280 Jane Seymour: was trying to survive a really terrible marriage and would 49 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,600 Jane Seymour: come and work for my mother and help out as 50 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,400 Jane Seymour: a secretary. And then we had this dutch Man who 51 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,120 Jane Seymour: was born with webbed hands and feet, and back in 52 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,360 Jane Seymour: the day they couldn't do anything really, you know, surgically, 53 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,160 Jane Seymour: So we had three usable digits and he typed faster 54 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,440 Jane Seymour: than anyone. So my mother was running a whole business, 55 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,400 Jane Seymour: and my father was working at three hospitals. And the 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,720 Jane Seymour: three girls were all three girls, and the eldest and 57 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,480 Jane Seymour: then Sally and then Annie. We all slept in one 58 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,400 Jane Seymour: tiny room with fold away beds, and when the beds 59 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,160 Jane Seymour: were down, my mother literally couldn't walk between to say 60 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,200 Jane Seymour: good night to us. It was tiny, this house, but 61 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Jane Seymour: the back garden backed onto a railroad and to the railway, 62 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,760 Jane Seymour: and there was a long, narrow back garden and we 63 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,800 Jane Seymour: had a washing line there of course, no dryers or anything. 64 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,400 Jane Seymour: And that became our theater. So my sisters and I 65 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Jane Seymour: used to put on performances all the time, and my 66 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:20,520 Jane Seymour: father actually wrote a rhyming Christmas pantomime. It's like a 67 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Jane Seymour: traditional English show for us, and I think I played Cinderella. 68 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Jane Seymour: And we always had foreign girls, who kids, people staying 69 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,280 Jane Seymour: with I don't know where we put everyone, but somehow 70 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,640 Jane Seymour: or other. It was always a very fun, exciting life. 71 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,600 Jane Seymour: And my mother always cooked rice dishes. She lived in 72 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Jane Seymour: Indonesia for many years, so we didn't have traditional English food. 73 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,359 Jane Seymour: You know. 74 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,880 Jane Seymour: My mother had survived three and a half years in 75 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,599 Jane Seymour: a Japanese internment camp in Indonesia. She lived on a 76 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,919 Jane Seymour: little house in Stilts in the middle of the jungle. 77 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Jane Seymour: We literally found it. We went looked, well, not that house, 78 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Jane Seymour: but that's the tea plantation. And she was very unhappily 79 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,360 Jane Seymour: married to this man who had a mistress and was 80 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Jane Seymour: violent towards her, and she ran away from him. And 81 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,480 Jane Seymour: then not long after that, the war broke out and 82 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Jane Seymour: her best friend was pregnant and couldn't travel, and so 83 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,120 Jane Seymour: my mother stayed with her friend and they were then 84 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Jane Seymour: imprisoned in internment camp where they put all the women 85 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,080 Jane Seymour: and boys under the age of twelve. All the men 86 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,480 Jane Seymour: twelve and nova were sent to build the Burmese railways 87 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,840 Jane Seymour: or something. They were sent away and they were Some 88 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,440 Jane Seymour: of the women were tortured. They were turned into sex slaves. 89 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,680 Jane Seymour: Not my mother, but a lot of her friends were 90 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Jane Seymour: used as sex slaves for the Japanese commandants. 91 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,000 Jane Seymour: They were starved. 92 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Jane Seymour: They had to do tenko, which was where they had 93 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,159 Jane Seymour: to stand in line very early but actually in the 94 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,200 Jane Seymour: midday sun. They had to stand and in Japanese announce 95 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,760 Jane Seymour: their number, and it wouldn't just be a number that 96 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,680 Jane Seymour: they had, it would be whatever the next number was 97 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,720 Jane Seymour: from the person next to them. That's how they would 98 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,719 Jane Seymour: count how many people were still alive. So every day 99 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,600 Jane Seymour: was tenko. She said that was terrible. And they had 100 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Jane Seymour: a tablespoon of rice and a teaspoonful of sugar and 101 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,880 Jane Seymour: that was all they had to eat. But my mother 102 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,560 Jane Seymour: found a discarded iron and managed to jerry rig it 103 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,840 Jane Seymour: to the electrics of the Japanese and when no one 104 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,680 Jane Seymour: was looking, they would fry ants and bugs and slugs 105 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,160 Jane Seymour: and whatever protein they could find on the iron. And 106 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Jane Seymour: the way you would know that my mother had been 107 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,160 Jane Seymour: in the camps is that at Christmas she would literally 108 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Jane Seymour: grab all the paper and the ribbons and hide them away. 109 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,200 Jane Seymour: She was a pack rack. She wouldn't let Her passion 110 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,080 Jane Seymour: was to feed people. She just once she had money 111 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Jane Seymour: for food, That's all she wanted to do is to 112 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,040 Jane Seymour: feed lots and lots and lots of people. And so 113 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,080 Jane Seymour: when I'd go to my mother's house until the day 114 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,200 Jane Seymour: she died, you know, my sisters and I would sit 115 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,640 Jane Seymour: around the table and we'd be chopping up vegetables and 116 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,719 Jane Seymour: onions and bits of chicken, and we turn everything into 117 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Jane Seymour: a Nazi gorang, which is basically fried rice. And of 118 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,640 Jane Seymour: course a lot of people have said to me, you're 119 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Jane Seymour: you know that I'm classic first generation of a survivor. 120 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,400 Jane Seymour: So whatever that's supposed to mean, I think it means 121 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,120 Jane Seymour: you're somewhat driven, or you get on with it. You 122 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,600 Jane Seymour: and you you always kind of know that however painful 123 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,320 Jane Seymour: or difficult something is, it's nowhere near as difficult to 124 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,360 Jane Seymour: what your mother went through. 125 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: Wow. And so your parents met after the war. 126 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,200 Jane Seymour: Yes, and so this is post war. My parents met 127 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Jane Seymour: in nineteen and got married in nineteen fifty. They obviously 128 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,520 Jane Seymour: met a little bit before that, and I was born 129 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,840 Jane Seymour: in fifty one, so they were both playing catch up 130 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,360 Jane Seymour: after the war. They'd both been married once, my mother 131 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,440 Jane Seymour: to someone very abusive at who she'd run away from 132 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,360 Jane Seymour: in the jungle when she was in Indonesia before she 133 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Jane Seymour: was imprisoned, and my father to a woman who when 134 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,560 Jane Seymour: he was sent by the ra F to South Africa 135 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,160 Jane Seymour: to serve in the Royal Air Force, she followed him 136 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,200 Jane Seymour: in a boat and found someone else, So that doesn't 137 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,360 Jane Seymour: really count. So really they were just, I think, incredibly 138 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,600 Jane Seymour: grateful to be alive and to be able to have 139 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,400 Jane Seymour: three children. 140 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,040 Jane Seymour: And we were pretty much treated like triplets. 141 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,080 Jane Seymour: We wore exactly the same clothes, and we did exactly 142 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Jane Seymour: the same things, and we all learned how to knit 143 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,520 Jane Seymour: and crochet and sew and cook and dance. 144 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,839 Jane Seymour: And do art, and that's what I remember. We used 145 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:34,199 Jane Seymour: to go to. 146 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:40,160 Jane Seymour: Museums a lot. We belonged to a group, the Scientific Society. 147 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,000 Jane Seymour: We'd go there every week and we would learn about science, 148 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,800 Jane Seymour: and then we'd put on exhibitions every year at the 149 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,520 Jane Seymour: Scientific Society, and I would usually do the marketing and 150 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Jane Seymour: the art work, and my sisters somehow were involved with 151 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,480 Jane Seymour: the experiments. So my father did the medical side. I 152 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,960 Jane Seymour: don't know how we did it, but we always, you know, 153 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,960 Jane Seymour: we did that. We had a lot of science was involved. 154 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,880 Jane Seymour: And we also worked as little auxiliary nurses at my 155 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,160 Jane Seymour: father's hospital. So before Johnston Johnson made cotton wool balls, 156 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Jane Seymour: we used to actually take them off a thing and 157 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,760 Jane Seymour: roll them up and cut them up, and you know, 158 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Jane Seymour: make swabs and things for operating out there kids, stuff 159 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:20,720 Jane Seymour: like that. 160 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: And you started acting professionally quite young, I mean not 161 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: as a child, but quite quickly. How did you get 162 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:26,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: into it? 163 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Jane Seymour: Well, I did ballet and I excelled, and I kept 164 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,040 Jane Seymour: winning prizes and things, and then and I'd go two 165 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,400 Jane Seymour: three times a week. And then the ballet teacher said 166 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,760 Jane Seymour: I should go to a professional school, and that was 167 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,360 Jane Seymour: all I cared about, was start. So I managed to 168 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,959 Jane Seymour: get a partial scholarship to a place called the Arts 169 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,160 Jane Seymour: Educational Trust. And when I went there, I realized my 170 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,640 Jane Seymour: parents couldn't really afford the ballet shoes and some of 171 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Jane Seymour: the things I needed. And they had an agent there 172 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,560 Jane Seymour: at the school, so I used to work. I started 173 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Jane Seymour: working as an actress, as a singer, background singer mostly, 174 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,199 Jane Seymour: and then kind of a background artist, and then as 175 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Jane Seymour: a dancer who sang from the time I was thirteen. 176 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: So at that point did your goals change from being 177 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: a dancer to being a dancer performer? No? 178 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,640 Jane Seymour: I actually I really wanted to do classical ballet, and 179 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,000 Jane Seymour: I ended up doing the Nutcracker with the London Festival Ballet. 180 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Jane Seymour: I was a politionel that's once that you jump out 181 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,440 Jane Seymour: of the big skirt, and I was also one of 182 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,360 Jane Seymour: the cavalry mice, you know, the one on a horse thing. 183 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,320 Jane Seymour: And then about a year or so later, the Cure 184 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,440 Jane Seymour: Off Ballet came to Covent Garden and I auditioned and 185 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,720 Jane Seymour: I got to be one of the quarter ballet For 186 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,800 Jane Seymour: that I did Coffee of Cinderella and Tchaikovsky's Sleeping Beauty. 187 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,200 Jane Seymour: And then not long after that, I was doing a 188 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,000 Jane Seymour: jazz class and I did this thing called knee rolls, 189 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,880 Jane Seymour: and that was it. I trashed my knee and I 190 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,240 Jane Seymour: could never do ballet again. So we went to the doctor, 191 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,320 Jane Seymour: the orthopedics surgeon, who said, at that time the only 192 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,120 Jane Seymour: surgery they had would be very fifty to fifty and 193 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,440 Jane Seymour: then his opinion it was better not to do surgery 194 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,600 Jane Seymour: but for me to quit ballet. So I became a 195 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,280 Jane Seymour: kind of background dancer who sang. 196 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Jane Seymour: And I was in a. 197 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,560 Jane Seymour: Movie called Oh What A Lovely War with Maggie Smith and Richard 198 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,400 Jane Seymour: Attenborough was directing. It was his first movie and I 199 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,680 Jane Seymour: got discovered literally in the chorus by the top agent 200 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,800 Jane Seymour: in England and that was it. 201 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: Like so many pivots, her first pivot was forced upon her, 202 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,439 Emily Tisch Sussman: but she welcomed it and soon was landing role after 203 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: role at the height of Hollywood. 204 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,959 Jane Seymour: And my agent got a call from the Bond film 205 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,520 Jane Seymour: Bond people and they said, we've just seen Jane on 206 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Jane Seymour: on television and we wanted to play the Bond girl. 207 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,719 Jane Seymour: So what So that happened when I was twenty and 208 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,080 Jane Seymour: then the rest is history. 209 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,600 Jane Seymour: I mean, I went from one movie to another. 210 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,840 Jane Seymour: I really wanted to be in a Royal Shakespeare Company 211 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,199 Jane Seymour: theater actress, but I ended up making. 212 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,000 Jane Seymour: Movies and kind of learned on the job. I think 213 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:18,400 Jane Seymour: really Roger Moore is James Bond Double seven and Ian 214 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:25,640 Jane Seymour: Fleming's Live and Let Die Black, Queen on the Red King, Miss. 215 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:27,760 Jane Seymour: Solitaire. 216 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,400 Jane Seymour: My name's Bob James. 217 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,320 Archival: Bob, I know who you are, what you are, and 218 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,720 Archival: why you become. You've made a mistake, will not succeed. 219 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: Was a bond girl at the time as big as 220 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: it is now, Like did you know when you got 221 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: that call, like this is going to change my life? 222 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:50,280 Jane Seymour: Oh? 223 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,200 Jane Seymour: Absolutely, it was bigger then than it is now. I 224 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,280 Jane Seymour: mean it was huge. They would do this thing that 225 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,360 Jane Seymour: you know, that they'd search the world and they finally 226 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,280 Jane Seymour: found the bond girl. And in my case it was 227 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,400 Jane Seymour: actually a sizeable role. Solidaire was more of an acting 228 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,280 Jane Seymour: role really than a sort of sex symbol role. 229 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,400 Jane Seymour: Hardly a sex symbol. 230 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,600 Jane Seymour: But the funny part was that they were looking for 231 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,080 Jane Seymour: someone to play this virginal high priestess of the Taro. 232 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,679 Jane Seymour: And I think I had a kind of look when 233 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,360 Jane Seymour: I was younger, where my eyes were a little bit 234 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,040 Jane Seymour: kind of slanty and with a bit of a tan. 235 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,319 Jane Seymour: I passed for Eurasian and I think that's the other 236 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,160 Jane Seymour: reason that they had me. But I used to say 237 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,680 Jane Seymour: to people there weren't very many virgins left in the 238 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,600 Jane Seymour: seventies in London, and I was so well brought up 239 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,080 Jane Seymour: I almost counted. 240 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: Although iconic, her role as a Bond Girl didn't do 241 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: as much to advance her career as one might think. 242 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,400 Jane Seymour: I'd been in England for a while after the Bond film. 243 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,200 Jane Seymour: I would get this close to doing fantastic roles and 244 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,080 Jane Seymour: working with some of the great directors, and then suddenly 245 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,720 Jane Seymour: they'd be told, oh, you know, she's a Bond girl, 246 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,240 Jane Seymour: and that was it. For some reason, they felt if 247 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,760 Jane Seymour: you were a Bond girl you couldn't act, so even 248 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,760 Jane Seymour: though they'd already tested me up the wazoo. So I 249 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,840 Jane Seymour: then went to America after one of my shows came 250 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,040 Jane Seymour: out in America. I think it was our mutual friend 251 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,000 Jane Seymour: Charles Dickens thing I did. And when I was in America, 252 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,040 Jane Seymour: I met a casting director who said, if you can 253 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,280 Jane Seymour: lose your English accent, there are very few people who 254 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,000 Jane Seymour: look like you, photograph like you, and can actually act, 255 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,040 Jane Seymour: but you'd have to lose that English accent. So I 256 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,080 Jane Seymour: took that seriously, and I learned how to speak with 257 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,360 Jane Seymour: an American general American accent, and then when it was 258 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Jane Seymour: specific dialects, I'd call up an operator and steal the 259 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,560 Jane Seymour: dialect straight off the phone. You know, if I needed 260 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,480 Jane Seymour: the South, they'd call Alabama or you know, Liana, Georgia 261 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,640 Jane Seymour: or wherever it was, and that's what they did. So 262 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,080 Jane Seymour: I came back to America and my agent in England, 263 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,520 Jane Seymour: the one who'd found me, had discovered me me off, 264 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,120 Jane Seymour: said the biggest mistake you will ever make is to 265 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Jane Seymour: go to America. And I thought, no, I've got to go, 266 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,560 Jane Seymour: you know, if this woman's right, and so he let 267 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,200 Jane Seymour: go of me. I had no agent. I came to 268 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,880 Jane Seymour: America with no work permit. You were allowed to take 269 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,360 Jane Seymour: three hundred pounds a year out of England, so no 270 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,840 Jane Seymour: credit card, nothing, no agent at all anywhere, and I 271 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Jane Seymour: gave myself six weeks to make it. That was when 272 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,960 Jane Seymour: my visa and the ticket return ticket would run out. 273 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,400 Jane Seymour: And literally the day before I got a television miniseries, 274 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,120 Jane Seymour: one of the first miniseries, and then they found out 275 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,840 Jane Seymour: I couldn't get a work permit, so they gave the 276 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,840 Jane Seymour: part to someone else. I was devastated. I was about 277 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,000 Jane Seymour: to get on a flight and my agent called and said, 278 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Jane Seymour: I've been offered another show. That they had a week 279 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,440 Jane Seymour: in which to get me a work permit, and that 280 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,520 Jane Seymour: was the play an Israeli tank commander in an episode 281 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,400 Jane Seymour: of McLeod. Now I looked to myself in the mirror. 282 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,800 Jane Seymour: I'm sitting on my hair, long straight hair, and I'm going, 283 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,720 Jane Seymour: I don't think there's anything about me that says it's 284 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:02,160 Jane Seymour: really TENK. 285 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:02,400 Jane Seymour: Come on. 286 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,600 Jane Seymour: But I mean, I mean, yes, I'll play it. I'll 287 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,120 Jane Seymour: play anything. So I did, and then it was for Universal. 288 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,560 Jane Seymour: And then while I was in the commissary at lunch, 289 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Jane Seymour: the people from Captains and Kings saw me and said, 290 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:14,680 Jane Seymour: oh my god, you go to work permit. 291 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:15,240 Jane Seymour: I went yep. 292 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,000 Jane Seymour: They said, oh, we have another role for you. So 293 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,880 Jane Seymour: I literally worked NonStop for almost a year, a lot 294 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,440 Jane Seymour: of it with Universal, one job after another and the 295 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,080 Jane Seymour: Captains and Kings. When I did that, it was a 296 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,840 Jane Seymour: small role, but the network sort and they said, oh, 297 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,680 Jane Seymour: we really like the chemistry between Jane Seymour and Perry King. 298 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,400 Jane Seymour: Will you write two more hours with them starring in it? 299 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,080 Jane Seymour: So they quickly wrote two more hours and I had 300 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,760 Jane Seymour: nothing but love scenes with him. We used to joke 301 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Jane Seymour: that we were mostly lying on the ground or on 302 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,240 Jane Seymour: a bed or somewhere, and I got nominated for Best 303 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,680 Jane Seymour: Actress for that. I mean that made absolutely no sense 304 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,320 Jane Seymour: and no sense at all. But so Pivot yes, So 305 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,680 Jane Seymour: every time something bad happened, something much better happened. 306 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: While dealing with the highs and lows of her professional life, 307 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,879 Emily Tisch Sussman: her personal life was also a series of roller coasters. 308 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: After the Break, Jane weaves the personal with the professional 309 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: and opens up about a divorce that took everything away 310 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:22,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: from her. 311 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:23,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: Stay tuned. 312 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: Jane is a true romantic and even published a book 313 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: titled Jane Seymour's Guide to Romantic Living in nineteen eighty six. 314 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: And by the time she was twenty six, she had 315 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: fallen in love twice, divorced twice, and in her true 316 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: romantic way, became close friends with both ex. 317 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,240 Jane Seymour: Husbands, two men that I absolutely adore, and we were 318 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,159 Jane Seymour: very close, as are their wives with me so and 319 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,520 Jane Seymour: their kids. So it's hard to explain except on your program, 320 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:15,520 Jane Seymour: But that's that. Then I eventually married my business manager, 321 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,720 Jane Seymour: so basically an accountant so, and he represented the biggest 322 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,959 Jane Seymour: stars in Hollywood, I mean, Goldie Horn and Warren Beatty 323 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:28,240 Jane Seymour: and you know, the majors and Farah and you name it, everybody, 324 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,399 Jane Seymour: and me I was a client. 325 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Jane Seymour: And then we started dating. 326 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,840 Jane Seymour: We got along really well, and I thought, well, you know, 327 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,480 Jane Seymour: the safest, the safest kind of relationship for me would 328 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,119 Jane Seymour: be with someone that's got a stable job like that. 329 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Jane Seymour: And we were very attracted to each other, and I 330 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,159 Jane Seymour: got pregnant, we got married. I was doing Amadeus on 331 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,320 Jane Seymour: Broadway at the time, and I had baby Katie and 332 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,680 Jane Seymour: then three and a half years later, baby Sean, and 333 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,880 Jane Seymour: everything was great until just before two thousand and eight 334 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,680 Jane Seymour: when the markets crashed. He'd invested our money in things 335 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,960 Jane Seymour: I didn't realize, and I think it was he'd sort 336 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,280 Jane Seymour: of out, you know, he'd got too many loans for 337 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,280 Jane Seymour: too many different projects, and I wasn't paying attention. You know, 338 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,880 Jane Seymour: when he told me sign this sign that I just did. 339 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,199 Jane Seymour: I trusted him. I mean the biggest people in the 340 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,400 Jane Seymour: industry trusted him and paid him for it. And why 341 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,400 Jane Seymour: if I'm his wife and it's you know, our marital money, 342 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,879 Jane Seymour: why would I not trust him? But it went belly 343 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,800 Jane Seymour: up and I didn't find that out until I also 344 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:43,280 Jane Seymour: found out that he had been very unfaithful. I kept thinking, well, 345 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,320 Jane Seymour: maybe I can take him back, and then that didn't 346 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Jane Seymour: work out because I found out eventually fourteen people. 347 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,200 Jane Seymour: When he got to fourteen. 348 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,000 Jane Seymour: That's when I went, Jane, this is not going to 349 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,880 Jane Seymour: work out, and then I found out I was literally penniless. 350 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,920 Jane Seymour: The house, the banked house. 351 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,480 Archival: I was so in the red, nine million in the red, 352 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,679 Archival: with lawsuits from every major bank and the FDICEE. And 353 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,200 Archival: I couldn't even conceive of it because, as I said, 354 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,360 Archival: I was not a mathematician by far. 355 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:11,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: Not. 356 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,400 Jane Seymour: And this is at the height of my career. I'd 357 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,679 Jane Seymour: been called the Queen of the miniseries. I'd start in 358 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,320 Jane Seymour: everything that you could possibly star in. I'd been nominated 359 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,680 Jane Seymour: for almost everything. I did one tons of things. I mean, 360 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,480 Jane Seymour: I couldn't have it. Couldn't have been a higher point 361 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,280 Jane Seymour: in my life to have it all and then to 362 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,879 Jane Seymour: have nothing. But I had my children, I had my health. 363 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,480 Jane Seymour: I called my agent and I said I need to 364 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,280 Jane Seymour: work yesterday. And I said, I will literally do anything. 365 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,240 Jane Seymour: And so he called up all the networks and I'd 366 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,800 Jane Seymour: always refused to do a series. And then one of 367 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,320 Jane Seymour: the networks, CBS, said will she literally do anything? And 368 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,399 Jane Seymour: he said, well, that's what she just said. So he said, well, 369 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,960 Jane Seymour: we've got this little movie of the week, but she'd 370 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,960 Jane Seymour: literally has to tell us yes, ten am tomorrow. I 371 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,600 Jane Seymour: read the script at ten pm the night before. At noon, 372 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,360 Jane Seymour: she has to come in for wardrobe and at six 373 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,439 Jane Seymour: am the following days start shooting and she has to 374 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,760 Jane Seymour: sign for five years, even though we can pretty much 375 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,760 Jane Seymour: guarantee it will never be a series, because in those days, 376 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,199 Jane Seymour: no woman had ever done a one hour show and 377 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Jane Seymour: in the lead, and you know, in a series, in 378 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,560 Jane Seymour: a comedy, yes, but not in a one hour and 379 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,280 Jane Seymour: medical shows. You know, there was before er and inspirational shows. 380 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,840 Jane Seymour: This was before you know, Touched by an Angel and 381 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,359 Jane Seymour: all of that, and family values definitely not and the 382 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,560 Jane Seymour: Western are too dusty. That's the word, too dusty keeps 383 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,240 Jane Seymour: coming up. So I did it with Joe Lando, and 384 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,240 Jane Seymour: we got along famously. We fell madly for each other. 385 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,120 Jane Seymour: We were both single. We finished the show, we went 386 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,080 Jane Seymour: away on holiday together for a week. I realized we 387 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,120 Jane Seymour: couldn't possibly be together. There was, you know, two actors. 388 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Jane Seymour: It just wasn't going to work. 389 00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,560 Jane Seymour: And that was that. 390 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Jane Seymour: There was very brief that we were together, but an 391 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,960 Jane Seymour: amazing bond that we have till this day. Fact I'm 392 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,399 Jane Seymour: seeing him later on today. And we never thought the 393 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Jane Seymour: showould be picked up, but it was. But by the 394 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,639 Jane Seymour: time it was picked up, Joe and I weren't talking 395 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,439 Jane Seymour: to each other, and for seven years we played you know, 396 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,639 Jane Seymour: Mikayla and Sully with this unbelievable chemistry, which of course 397 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,480 Jane Seymour: we knew, but it was really hard. 398 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,920 Jane Seymour: To work together, really really hard. 399 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,960 Jane Seymour: But if I watched the show, I would say that 400 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,840 Jane Seymour: whatever we did, although it was painful, it worked. So 401 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,480 Jane Seymour: I think there was a sexual tension there, yeah, but 402 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Jane Seymour: various reasons. I think Joe only found out recently. Wanted 403 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,040 Jane Seymour: to leave the show after a year and go on 404 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,240 Jane Seymour: to be a movie star, and they wouldn't let him out, 405 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,360 Jane Seymour: so he was very frustrated. They were frustrated with him, 406 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,040 Jane Seymour: They were not nice to him. And I'm the one 407 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,919 Jane Seymour: that got the brunt. 408 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: I mean, this role came such a success, so well, huge, huge, 409 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,920 Emily Tisch Sussman: How so how quickly did it go from your darkest, 410 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: darkest moment to saying, give me anything, I'll do any 411 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: role too. This is the biggest role maybe of my life. 412 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,240 Jane Seymour: Well, when they picked it up, I mean when they 413 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,040 Jane Seymour: when they put the first episode out, it was two episodes. 414 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Jane Seymour: I think they put it out on opposite the Orange 415 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,720 Jane Seymour: Bowl and then on Saturday Night to kill it because 416 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,840 Jane Seymour: they didn't want it. They were making, they thought they 417 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,679 Jane Seymour: were making kind of cleaning up shop with people that 418 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,720 Jane Seymour: they had deals with. And I didn't know this, you know, 419 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,439 Jane Seymour: I didn't know. It was never it was intended to fail. 420 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,520 Jane Seymour: It was their springtime for Hitler. Like in the producers, 421 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,720 Jane Seymour: that was their idea, this we can guarantee to fail. 422 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,480 Jane Seymour: No one gave me the memo or Joe so and 423 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,800 Jane Seymour: I have to admit, I think it's the chemistry, but 424 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,120 Jane Seymour: also the writing was brilliant. It was a great show. 425 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,560 Jane Seymour: It still is a great show, and it's timeless. I 426 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,919 Jane Seymour: mean it's still playing in ninety eight countries in some 427 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,000 Jane Seymour: countries every single day, in France and Germany and Italy 428 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,880 Jane Seymour: every day, probably more countries. So how did I know, Well, 429 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,720 Jane Seymour: we were in the top ten for those first two 430 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,000 Jane Seymour: shows when they tried to kill it, they were the 431 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,520 Jane Seymour: top shows on television on any network. It came in 432 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,800 Jane Seymour: number seven and number ten those two nights, so they 433 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,800 Jane Seymour: had no choice but to put. 434 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,240 Jane Seymour: Us on air. 435 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,640 Jane Seymour: And then it just had such a loyal audience. Then 436 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,200 Jane Seymour: it sold globally. I mean it was unbelievable. 437 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:34,600 Jane Seymour: I mean, we. 438 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,199 Jane Seymour: Worked, we did twenty two episodes a season, twenty two 439 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,720 Jane Seymour: one hours, and then in the few weeks I had 440 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,520 Jane Seymour: off where anyone in their right mind would have relaxed. 441 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,840 Jane Seymour: I went and did another movie. So every year I 442 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Jane Seymour: did that and a movie, And so by the time 443 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,520 Jane Seymour: i'd made some money on that, I was able to 444 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,760 Jane Seymour: deal with lawyers and debts and whatever I had had 445 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,520 Jane Seymour: to deal with. And James Keat was very instrumentally at 446 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,119 Jane Seymour: helping me. You know, he literally spent most of his 447 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,199 Jane Seymour: time trying to help me figure it all out. And 448 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,440 Jane Seymour: we lived together, and we got married, and we worked 449 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,320 Jane Seymour: together on Dr Quinn and you know, that was amazing. 450 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,240 Jane Seymour: We had a wonderful life. 451 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: After the break. 452 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,959 Emily Tisch Sussman: Jane reflects on how she's navigated the high highs and 453 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:42,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: the low lows she gets experienced throughout her life. Stay tuned. Well, 454 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: so you said recently in a graduation speech. 455 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: I love this. You said, do not panic when life 456 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: doesn't follow the script. 457 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,320 Jane Seymour: It won't. 458 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: And that's a gift you might find years from now 459 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: that the best thing that's ever happened to you looked 460 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: like the worst thing at first. Rejection, heartbreak, a job 461 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: that didn't come. That's just life reshaping your story. 462 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,679 Jane Seymour: Well, I'm incredibly fortunate because I have a lot of friends, 463 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,960 Jane Seymour: people I know who suffer from depression and I don't. 464 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,439 Jane Seymour: And for some reason I was able to process the 465 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,560 Jane Seymour: pain and the hurt and the fear and anger and 466 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,960 Jane Seymour: all the things that happen and kind of pivot turn it, 467 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,600 Jane Seymour: turn it around, and just go, Okay, enough, I've got 468 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800 Jane Seymour: to get the kids to school. You know, I don't 469 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,360 Jane Seymour: want them to see me crying. I got to get 470 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,919 Jane Seymour: out of bed. There's things I have to do. I 471 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,280 Jane Seymour: have to work, I have to earn a living, I 472 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,119 Jane Seymour: have to you know, take responsibility. And so I didn't 473 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:47,000 Jane Seymour: really allow myself to visibly allow any kind of those 474 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,000 Jane Seymour: feelings to take over. I mean, you know, in the 475 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Jane Seymour: darkest times, I still had to go on camera and 476 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,840 Jane Seymour: just say, hey, I'm here, and is it life wonderful? Yeah, 477 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,000 Jane Seymour: Happy Christmas. Meanwhile, no one knew what I was at 478 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,760 Jane Seymour: actually going through. And you know, people say, you know, 479 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,200 Jane Seymour: when you're an actress, you you know, so therefore you 480 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,320 Jane Seymour: you're good at lying. I'm not good at lying, but 481 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,200 Jane Seymour: being able to put my you know, big big girl 482 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,879 Jane Seymour: pants on and not dwell on the negative and be 483 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,679 Jane Seymour: in the present moment and just say to myself, Okay, 484 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,080 Jane Seymour: what do I need to do now? 485 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,640 Jane Seymour: And I think because I did that, and because. 486 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,800 Jane Seymour: I'm open minded and literally open hearted, I was able 487 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,800 Jane Seymour: to move forward. And I think you know it was 488 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Jane Seymour: very much I would say my mother's teaching. She always said, 489 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Jane Seymour: she said, Darling, in life, everyone has challenges, and when 490 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,080 Jane Seymour: they do, they close up their hearts and they let 491 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,840 Jane Seymour: the story go round and round and around, like an 492 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,880 Jane Seymour: LP record with a scratch in it. 493 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,879 Jane Seymour: She said. 494 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,040 Jane Seymour: If you do that, you'll never be able to move 495 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,480 Jane Seymour: forward in your life. I said, the hardest thing to 496 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,560 Jane Seymour: do in life is to accept. But if you could 497 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,960 Jane Seymour: accept and open your heart and reach out to help 498 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Jane Seymour: someone or be there for someone, you'll then have person. 499 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,880 Jane Seymour: And when you have purpose, you can feel love for yourself. 500 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,879 Jane Seymour: And if you can love yourself or at least like yourself, 501 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,879 Jane Seymour: the chances of you being able to give and receive 502 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,720 Jane Seymour: love is much higher than if you cut off. I 503 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,280 Jane Seymour: would credit it all to her. 504 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: Well, given all this, I asked a question of all 505 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: of my guests, So, what is one thing could be 506 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: more than one thing, or something we've discussed already that 507 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: you saw as a negative or a low point at 508 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: the time, but now you see it as really a positive, 509 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: like in hindsight really was a positive. 510 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,199 Jane Seymour: Well, I would say, the end of both of my marriages, 511 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,160 Jane Seymour: who were devastating, really devastating, but out of both of 512 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,600 Jane Seymour: them came, you know, amazing extraordinary life changing opportunities. I mean, 513 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Jane Seymour: if I hadn't lost everything with David Flynn, I would 514 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,960 Jane Seymour: never have gotten Doc Quinn and I would never have 515 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,360 Jane Seymour: chosen to do a series and that trajectory would never 516 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,920 Jane Seymour: have happened. And I wouldn't have met James, and I 517 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,080 Jane Seymour: was very happy with James for a very long time. 518 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,480 Jane Seymour: And I wouldn't have had the twins, Johnny and Chris, 519 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,320 Jane Seymour: who are fantastic and you know, miraculously we are all 520 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,760 Jane Seymour: friends now, we all get along really well. 521 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: Okay, how does that happen? 522 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,600 Jane Seymour: You decide for the sake of the children, and in 523 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560 Jane Seymour: my case, you have to live in the moment and 524 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,880 Jane Seymour: realize the past is done and you're now where you're at, 525 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,840 Jane Seymour: and move forward and realize, I think you realize that 526 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,600 Jane Seymour: when you love someone that deeply to have children with 527 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,239 Jane Seymour: them and be with them for a time, that, at 528 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040 Jane Seymour: least for me, the good side of it never goes. 529 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,520 Jane Seymour: It's you know, obviously not easy. It's taken a long time, 530 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,040 Jane Seymour: but I'm very much a glass half full person because 531 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,959 Jane Seymour: I realized that life is short and I've chosen to trust. 532 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,160 Jane Seymour: But when I've known it's wrong and it's not working, 533 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,959 Jane Seymour: I've been able to just go, no, this is this 534 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,240 Jane Seymour: is not going to happen. But I also I think 535 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,920 Jane Seymour: I've been incredibly fortunate. I mean, I never imagined that 536 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,800 Jane Seymour: I would find such an amazing relationship this time in 537 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,200 Jane Seymour: my life ever. And I think because I dared and 538 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,840 Jane Seymour: I didn't dare at first, I went no, no, no, 539 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Jane Seymour: no no for the longest time. I mean, he definitely 540 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,560 Jane Seymour: thought I was just going to put him in the 541 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,000 Jane Seymour: friend in the friend world, and that was that I dared. 542 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,840 Jane Seymour: And I think, you know, sometimes you just have to 543 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,600 Jane Seymour: take a leap of faith and be honest with yourself 544 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,520 Jane Seymour: as to what you have to contribute and what you 545 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,720 Jane Seymour: need and what you're willing to give and what that 546 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,720 Jane Seymour: looks like. And I think I've discovered that the more 547 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,240 Jane Seymour: you give, the more you get back. People who are 548 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,080 Jane Seymour: not givers, I don't know what they think they're doing 549 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,160 Jane Seymour: with everything that they're hanging on to, but you can't 550 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,840 Jane Seymour: take it with you. I know that I tried that 551 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,800 Jane Seymour: one You take with you the love you've shared in 552 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,280 Jane Seymour: your life. 553 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,040 Jane Seymour: And the difference you've made, that's what you take with you. 554 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: Do you think you'll pivot again? 555 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,280 Jane Seymour: Well, I can't believe. At the age of seventy something, 556 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,360 Jane Seymour: I got asked to do a series. So yes, I 557 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,160 Jane Seymour: don't think I've ever had as much work as I 558 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,560 Jane Seymour: have right now. But and occasionally I'll go and play 559 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,880 Jane Seymour: bad golf, and I love to play bad golf. I 560 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,000 Jane Seymour: thoroughly enjoy golf. But you know, I'm never going to 561 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,160 Jane Seymour: be a pro, so no worry is there. And I paint, 562 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,520 Jane Seymour: you know, I love to paint. That's my passion. And 563 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,800 Jane Seymour: I design with my paintings. Now I design fabrics that 564 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,080 Jane Seymour: are scarves and kimonos and dusters, and they're all online. 565 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,840 Jane Seymour: I design furniture jewelry like here the open heart brace. 566 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,240 Jane Seymour: I know if you can see that, yeah, beautiful. So 567 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,600 Jane Seymour: I've been doing that for a number of years. And 568 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,800 Jane Seymour: then I'm producing movies. I've got the rights to a 569 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,760 Jane Seymour: movie called The Truth About Horses that went to number 570 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,360 Jane Seymour: one in Amazon when it came out and won tons 571 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,840 Jane Seymour: of awars. Christy Cashman wrote it, it's brilliant where we're 572 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,760 Jane Seymour: actively trying to get that made right now, I produced, 573 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,600 Jane Seymour: of course, Harry Wilde, so I'm involved with that. I 574 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,440 Jane Seymour: think the secret for me is to be constantly creative, 575 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,880 Jane Seymour: challenged intellectually and physically, and to have quality time with 576 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,200 Jane Seymour: my kids and my grandkids. 577 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,479 Emily Tisch Sussman: Well, thank you so much for sharing it with us. Welcome. 578 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,959 Emily Tisch Sussman: We really appreciate having you on. You've shared an incredible amount. 579 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: It's really it's stunning. Thank you so much. 580 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,040 Jane Seymour: Thank you. 581 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: Jane is still booked and busy, and in between all 582 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: her many ventures and pivots, she spends her time with 583 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: her family and loved ones. 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