Speaker 1: Yet to ask you a question.
Speaker 2: Real, let's just keep it real, straight shot with No
Speaker 2: Chaser and I'm gonna get a little bit rougher. I'm
Speaker 2: here for it. Those who really believed in the American process,
Speaker 2: all of us street Shot No Chase with your girl
Speaker 2: Tensel figure out on the Black Effect podcast network, didnt
Speaker 2: even know everybody. Straight Shot No Chaser. Marcellus and I
Speaker 2: uh here pulled in a couple of folks for a
Speaker 2: quick live studio audience as we record Straight Shot No Chaser.
Speaker 2: I thought this was a great opportunity to do a
Speaker 2: quick training for those of you that heard the exchange
Speaker 2: that I had a moment ago on uh Instagram live
Speaker 2: between uh my good friend Devin, who is who's ran
Speaker 2: for office there in Atlanta, and I want to continue
Speaker 2: the conversation. So I'm gonna use this as a training tool,
Speaker 2: not to embarrass Devin or anything like that. I know
Speaker 2: he would love to come on the live and talk
Speaker 2: about it, but we're gonna use this as a training opportunity.
Speaker 2: Marcella's and why the training is critically important, especially for
Speaker 2: candidates who are running for office like Devon, who has
Speaker 2: ran for city council. I believe in Orlando, I mean
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. Have you heard the live earlier we were
Speaker 2: talking about and I'm going to get to that in
Speaker 2: a moment. We were talking about progressive candidates not spending
Speaker 2: money on black outreach, and I want to be clear
Speaker 2: for those of you who are new to me, new
Speaker 2: to my world, welcome Marcella's. You might want to give
Speaker 2: them the tutorial that anybody can get it at rehime.
Speaker 2: I am not in love with these candidates the way
Speaker 2: that you guys are. I will definitely speak truth to power.
Speaker 2: I will definitely be fair, but I will always and
Speaker 2: I need somebody in the chat to put always, always
Speaker 2: ask where is the bag when it comes to black outreach.
Speaker 2: That goes for black progressives, that goes for black moderates,
Speaker 2: they go for Black Republicans, They go for the Black
Speaker 2: Green Party, they go for the Black Tea Party, they
Speaker 2: go for the Black Kitchen Soup party. That go who else?
Speaker 2: The Collar of Green Party, the Yams Party? Who else?
Speaker 1: Martina? Who miss Meg? The dreads.
Speaker 2: I like you like to call is stuffing. I know,
Speaker 2: Mathew like to call the stuffing the stuffing party. I
Speaker 2: don't give a damn and I need somebody to help
Speaker 2: me in the comments. Cheslem Figuaro, don't give a damn
Speaker 2: what you represent, blood souewoop business, crip what upcuz pi
Speaker 2: rule you be in rolling sixties, rolling thirty four five
Speaker 2: six powru it brims. It don't matter whoever you are,
Speaker 2: whatever flag you represent. I am always going to ask
Speaker 2: what's happening with the black dollar?
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Always. It's no shade against y'all, whoever youall favorite candidate
Speaker 2: is of the hour. It's just a simple question that
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask every time, every time, what's happening?
Speaker 2: Well every time. So when I made the statement, the
Speaker 2: black progress that progresses once again should have to the
Speaker 2: hoovers in the building. We're doing the roll call today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got to do the roll call because it don't
Speaker 2: matter who you are, whoever can get the fade. I
Speaker 2: just need some of my bloods and crips in the car.
Speaker 2: Whoever can get the fade. It's always a fade available,
Speaker 2: and it goes to the candidates first, never to the voter.
Speaker 2: When it comes to me. Welcome to somebody that actually
Speaker 2: likes to give the fades to the candidates. I said
Speaker 2: what I said, and I meant what I said, which is,
Speaker 2: overall the money is not spent on black outreach. Now, Marcella's,
Speaker 2: I had a long caption. They didn't read the caption,
Speaker 2: so I took it out because I saw they didn't
Speaker 2: want to read the course materials in the caption. As always,
Speaker 2: I said, let me take out. Let me just be
Speaker 2: real plain and clear that if he did not do
Speaker 2: and I've also made it clear I set the premise
Speaker 2: up in the beginning that said, I don't I'm not
Speaker 2: speaking on New York politicians of New York politics.
Speaker 1: Did I not correct?
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not talking about New York politics. I'm
Speaker 2: saying overall, they do not spend the money to get
Speaker 2: out the vote. So guys, we call it GOTV called
Speaker 2: get out the vote. And overall the people in charge
Speaker 2: of the money the white liberals and the white progressives
Speaker 2: cause so it ain't black people that are in charge
Speaker 2: with the money. They get very little to black media,
Speaker 2: to black organizations, to black outreach to get out the vote. Now,
Speaker 2: immediately people started coming into comments Marcella's saying, well, you know,
Speaker 2: older voters need to figure out what they want. The
Speaker 2: question is we need to be asking why older voters
Speaker 2: vote this way and why they vote that way, and
Speaker 2: what's wrong with the vote? Y'all missed it. It went over
Speaker 2: your head. In order to convince an older voter, a
Speaker 2: younger voter, a toddler voter, a teenage voter, a middle
Speaker 2: aged voter, a pre teen voter, a whoever voter. And
Speaker 2: this is why y'all need to be in the training
Speaker 2: teslmfigure out dot com. It is money allocated for each
Speaker 2: voter to hear a message. Do y'all know that? Put
Speaker 2: a five in the chat? Maybe people don't know that,
Speaker 2: And that's why y'all need to come to the training.
Speaker 2: If I raise five thousand dollars and I say I
Speaker 2: have to reach six hundred and seventy six hundred candidates
Speaker 2: six hundred. Let's say my win number is six hundred
Speaker 2: and I only and I say, what is the cost?
Speaker 2: And I want you all to really get this. I'm
Speaker 2: giving y'all this free training, but y'all really got to
Speaker 2: come to my class. Not only do we talk about
Speaker 2: this in my class, I also talk about how to
Speaker 2: implement this in a real way. This is not about
Speaker 2: just talking, guys. It's a real strategy which Devin knows.
Speaker 2: So that's why I was confused on what he's even
Speaker 2: talking about. When Michelle ran her race Marcella's that I
Speaker 2: helped her with last year, and she got on the
Speaker 2: ballot sixty days, we know we needed to meet. We
Speaker 2: needed to touch X amount of voters. X amount of
Speaker 2: voters requires a certain amount of money. You don't have
Speaker 2: to have a lot of money, but it requires a
Speaker 2: certain amount of money. Meaning if I go print all
Speaker 2: five hundred flyers, you know at Kinko's, that's a cost. Correct, Yep,
Speaker 2: that's a call. You're correct, I think I said, Jeremy
Speaker 2: to the zero zero five. It is a cost, even
Speaker 2: if it is with Michelle Watley, who spent it out
Speaker 2: of her own her own pocket. She had to spend
Speaker 2: let's just say, a dollar for every flyer that was printed.
Speaker 2: She didn't raise any money because she got on sixty days,
Speaker 2: So it was six hundred dollars And I'm just doing
Speaker 2: a rough estimate, six hundred dollars a dollar a flyer
Speaker 2: to go get those brochures on somebody's debt, on somebody's
Speaker 2: door every day. Put a five in the chat. If
Speaker 2: that's making prain sense to you, the flyers don't disappear Marcella's.
Speaker 2: It's not what people are saying in the car. We
Speaker 2: just gotta each one teach one. That's not how organizing works.
Speaker 2: That's not how it works. Organizing is an actual strategy,
Speaker 2: an actual budget, and don't have to be but an
Speaker 2: actual plan, an actual field plan, an actual when you, guys,
Speaker 2: when you win a war, let me tell you something,
Speaker 2: as a veteran, do you think we just sitting back
Speaker 2: saying each one teach one? Or is there a plan
Speaker 2: in place? Guys? The air force has a plan, our
Speaker 2: plan at the air force. Air Force, we monitor the
Speaker 2: air I mean when we need a certain amount of
Speaker 2: recruits to come in, we need a certain amount that's
Speaker 2: gonna protect the planes. We need a certain which was
Speaker 2: my job, by the way, M sixty. Gonna protect a plane,
Speaker 2: need a certain aount of people that's gonna fly the planes.
Speaker 2: They need salaries, they gotta eat, We gotta take care
Speaker 2: of them. They need benefit. Are y'all following me? Put
Speaker 2: a five in the chat? Then we got the air
Speaker 2: taken care of. Let me use that in a candidate standpoint,
Speaker 2: the air If we're gonna use a candidate analogy the
Speaker 2: air would be like, what guys advertisement advertisement? Thank you sweetheart,
Speaker 2: So the air let's use it in a candidates standpoints.
Speaker 2: The air would be the Air Force would be advertisement.
Speaker 2: It costs money to advertise, even if you're advertising on
Speaker 2: Facebook for five dollars an ad. I'm not even talking
Speaker 2: about big let's dumbness down the just local. If you
Speaker 2: ran a race tomorrow, okay, Marcella's Facebook ad, We're gonna
Speaker 2: spend five dollars a day over thirty days. That's advertisement.
Speaker 2: That's the Air Force. Then, in order to win the
Speaker 2: war with the United States military, we need what the
Speaker 2: army on the ground. See, boots on the ground is
Speaker 2: not just a song. It's a real thing with boots
Speaker 2: actually on the ground. So the Marines and the Air Force,
Speaker 2: the Marines a few good men and the Army are
Speaker 2: the two branches that lead infantry on the ground. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that the Air Force is never on
Speaker 2: the ground, because I tell you all the time, spe
Speaker 2: we add infantry as well. But the two that lead
Speaker 2: on the ground would be the Marines a few good
Speaker 2: men meaning all of y'all can't be a marine. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get to that in a minute. Which is why
Speaker 2: I be telling y'all in the comments respectfully. It's levels
Speaker 2: to this because in order to be the difference between
Speaker 2: being a marine and in the army is your physical fitness.
Speaker 2: Somebody in the comments put physical fitness. So no, brother,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to shade you when I say I'm
Speaker 2: bringing more agile, physical fitness to the conversation. Meaning I've
Speaker 2: just done more, had more experience outside of one region
Speaker 2: doesn't mean I'm better. It doesn't mean I'm diminishing you, Devin.
Speaker 2: It means I'm telling you I was in the room.
Speaker 2: I need somebody to help me in the room. I
Speaker 2: was in the room when these progressives were deciding how
Speaker 2: they were going to spend money on black voters. Doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that what you say in Atlanta is not valuable.
Speaker 2: It just means that my physical fitness, my ability, agility,
Speaker 2: my qualification to be a marine is different than an
Speaker 2: air force. I'm on a different ground level, which is
Speaker 2: why so when Devon says I was on the ground, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you was on the ground and in the air in
Speaker 2: the Army. I was on the ground as a marine.
Speaker 2: It's levels to this. It's not about a disrespect, it's
Speaker 2: understanding where you are in this guys. That's why I
Speaker 2: push the line has a logo, marcellis with each person
Speaker 2: somebody pushing the P, the you, the s, the h
Speaker 2: we all have a job to do. I am never
Speaker 2: thinking I'm above anybody, Marcelli's because if that's the case,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be sitting here with me as a co
Speaker 2: host on a weekly basis. And I met you in
Speaker 2: a comment section. What no radio experience, right, So this
Speaker 2: is not about diminishing somebody. Move your insecurities out the way.
Speaker 2: Let's deal with the issue at hand. Welcome to class.
Speaker 2: Somebody put a five in the chat if you're in
Speaker 2: class this evening. So my perspective on saying with the
Speaker 2: the new progressive movement that was supercharged by Bernard Sanders,
Speaker 2: we all agree, right, he was the one that woke
Speaker 2: up this progressive momentum with organizing more progressives ever in
Speaker 2: our generation, Bernie Sanders. So I'm giving you my perspective
Speaker 2: of being in the room with the only ten people
Speaker 2: who were black in the room with Bernie Sanders in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen when nobody knew who the hell Bernie Sanders was.
Speaker 2: So that means my view is going to be different
Speaker 2: than Devin's view in Atlanta. It's not about diminishing him.
Speaker 2: It's just we need to understand. I am in the
Speaker 2: Marines and you are in the Army. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that we're both not on the ground. We're seeing different perspectives.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense yep. So I clearly laid out
Speaker 2: in the caption I'm not talking about New York because
Speaker 2: that's for New York to figure out. I don't know
Speaker 2: enough about New York politics. I tell y'all what I
Speaker 2: know and what I don't know. There are some things
Speaker 2: that go across the board that you can apply in
Speaker 2: any city, any state. But I was not speaking on
Speaker 2: New York politics. I was simply saying the data that
Speaker 2: came out and said that Zaurun, as they put out
Speaker 2: his name, did not do well with black voters. And
Speaker 2: I simply said, I'm not speaking on New York because
Speaker 2: I don't know. But what I do know is progressive
Speaker 2: continue to fail at black outreach. And I also was
Speaker 2: fair across the board marcellis and said this also goes
Speaker 2: for motteries as well. But my experience being a marine
Speaker 2: with working on the ground with the white multi millionaire
Speaker 2: consultants that decided who should get the money, why, where,
Speaker 2: what in twenty fifteen, I'm giving you that experience from
Speaker 2: a overall view, not a local view. It was not
Speaker 2: about minimizing what Devin said in his Atlanta experience. It
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with that. Take the personal off
Speaker 2: the table. It was about me saying that my experience
Speaker 2: on progressives and what they do not spend with black outreach,
Speaker 2: old young are indifferent. If it's six hundred dollars to
Speaker 2: print off the flyers, if it's we need to hire
Speaker 2: some folks instead of asking volunteers and knock on doors,
Speaker 2: if it's we need to give pizza, we need to
Speaker 2: give donuts, we need to give whatever, you know, whatever
Speaker 2: it is, I'm saying they don't spend the money. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I'm saying that for moderates. I'm saying
Speaker 2: that for progressives, but particularly progressives, because progressives is a
Speaker 2: newer model. If you will, if we go by looking
Speaker 2: at what Bernie Sanders started in twenty fifteen to now,
Speaker 2: if y'all agree with that, put a five in the
Speaker 2: chat where moderates have been taking advantage of black voters
Speaker 2: for years because you know, black people have been Democrats
Speaker 2: centrist for the most part, but they have a little
Speaker 2: bit more roots in on the ground because they were
Speaker 2: you know, they've been you know, doing on the groundwork longer,
Speaker 2: which is fair, which is why I push even harder
Speaker 2: for progresses to do more, to spend money on the ground.
Speaker 2: So I was very clear in laying out this is
Speaker 2: not about New York because it is very important Devon
Speaker 2: when we lay things out because to Devin, and I'll
Speaker 2: tell y'all our conversation we had a great conversation offline
Speaker 2: and said, this is not the court of law. It
Speaker 2: actually is the court of law. And Devin, you as
Speaker 2: a candidate, I want you to move as if you're
Speaker 2: in the court of law at all times. This is
Speaker 2: why they say what you say can what be.
Speaker 1: You in the court of law.
Speaker 2: And I particularly want you guys, especially candidates who you know,
Speaker 2: I love you, Devin, and I'll let you gives. I
Speaker 2: know you dine and say something. But this is just
Speaker 2: being the student posture and listen just for a moment.
Speaker 2: It's very important that when you say things that you
Speaker 2: are that you stand on those things and you can
Speaker 2: back it up with evidence. Because the one thing that
Speaker 2: a black man needs is evidence. You're what I'm telling yah,
Speaker 2: I'm saying this would love is og love the one
Speaker 2: thing that black men and I'm gonna say it again,
Speaker 2: the one thing black women too. But the one thing
Speaker 2: in case y'all not looking at what's happening every day,
Speaker 2: the one thing death. And the reason why I want
Speaker 2: you to stand on this, baby, is because the one
Speaker 2: thing that you need is a black man in America
Speaker 2: is evidence. And if you do not have that learn behavior,
Speaker 2: I wish I had a witness in the building. If
Speaker 2: I am not teaching you that learn behavior, I make
Speaker 2: Marcellus do it all the time. Guys, I want you
Speaker 2: to have that learn behavior, that it is in your walk,
Speaker 2: in your talk. I won't give a damn if you
Speaker 2: at the barbershop, I won't give a shit if you
Speaker 2: just having a random debate about who's the best ball
Speaker 2: player of all times, who's the best this, who's the
Speaker 2: best lyricists of all time? I need black people, especially
Speaker 2: black men, that when things come out of your mouth,
Speaker 2: that you are able to back it up with evidence,
Speaker 2: because America is going to make you stand on it.
Speaker 2: We actually are in the court of law put a
Speaker 2: five in the chat. If you agree, I'm gonna let
Speaker 2: you come on, Devin, but I want you to hear
Speaker 2: me first from love, because I'm concerned about you, and
Speaker 2: this is from love. You made the statement, and when
Speaker 2: we're gonna move over to the progressive part, because him
Speaker 2: and I both agree on that. You made the statement
Speaker 2: that killer Mike chose Kemp over Stacy Abrams, and I said,
Speaker 2: show me the evidence of that, because that is not true.
Speaker 2: And you sent a very long dissertation, very long thesis
Speaker 2: about how he could have been a better supporter, and
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing a better advocate, a more enthusiastic person for Abrams,
Speaker 2: a more let's just say, a better community leader. I
Speaker 2: want you to hear me. Good, Devin. You have every
Speaker 2: right to feel that way. The debate, or what I
Speaker 2: asked you to show me evidence was not evidence on
Speaker 2: if he was not the best community person in your
Speaker 2: subjective opinion. The evidence was not based upon could he
Speaker 2: have been more favorable to Stacy Abrams in your opinion.
Speaker 2: The evidence was not called for to the court about
Speaker 2: should he had not praised Kemp. So when you explained,
Speaker 2: you said yourself literally although he did not endorse Kemp.
Speaker 2: He still could have blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And that is my only point, Devin. And when I
Speaker 2: said what you said would not hold weight in the
Speaker 2: court of law, and you said, this is not the
Speaker 2: court of law, it actually is, brother, Because you must,
Speaker 2: especially as a candidate, you must have the mindset and
Speaker 2: think like an attorney. I give an example in lawyering Fundamentals,
Speaker 2: one of our classes, it says, come up with who
Speaker 2: what makes a great song? Now, many of y'all will say,
Speaker 2: what's the greatest song of all time? Who's the greatest
Speaker 2: player of all time? You know why I don't have
Speaker 2: those debates, Devin and Marcella's because I don't like conversations
Speaker 2: without rules. Somebody gonna say Lebron, somebody gonna say AI,
Speaker 2: somebody gonna say Jordan's. You know, somebody gonna say. I
Speaker 2: don't like those barbershop conversations, Devin. So when you talk
Speaker 2: to me, you gotta narrow down the scope. We gotta
Speaker 2: identify the rules. And identifying the rules means what genre
Speaker 2: are we talking about? What are we talking about? I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the song? What are we talking about stats, who
Speaker 2: makes the best player? Are we talking about overall? Who's
Speaker 2: the best human being overall?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Are we talking about who who is the greatest of
Speaker 2: all the time? Because Muhammad Ali did what many many
Speaker 2: others would never do. Are we just talking about how
Speaker 2: many punches got landed? Are we talking about who took
Speaker 2: the Do y'all follow what I'm saying? Put a five
Speaker 2: in the chat. You must establish the rules. See, you
Speaker 2: cannot just throw something out to me and think I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna ask you for the evidence, and black Man,
Speaker 2: you need evidence. Yeah, the reason why the d trial
Speaker 2: right now, why they had to drop some of those
Speaker 2: charges is because what y'all the lack of lack of evidence.
Speaker 2: You cannot afford to say things out your mouth that
Speaker 2: you can't back up with evidence. Because I need you
Speaker 2: to be thinking like that, Devin, because you are a candidate,
Speaker 2: and you speak often, and the words you say can
Speaker 2: and will be and should be expected to be used
Speaker 2: against you. So if you want to premise it and
Speaker 2: say killer Mike was not the best community partner or
Speaker 2: the best community member, or did not support Stacy Abrams
Speaker 2: the way I think he would, you have no argument
Speaker 2: with me on that the argument came from he supported
Speaker 2: Kemp over Stacy Abrams and you said, well that's just semantics. No, no, no, See,
Speaker 2: black men been hanged over semantics. I wish I had
Speaker 2: a five in the chat. Black men have been persecuted
Speaker 2: over semantics. Black people have been misunderstood over semann. I
Speaker 2: wish I had somebody who was a witness black people,
Speaker 2: because see, when you sit in front of that jury appears.
Speaker 2: See one person says semantics marcellis. Another one says, show
Speaker 2: me where the law is. Another one say show me
Speaker 2: where the rico is. Another one say, well, that's domestic violence.
Speaker 2: Another one say, well did he really call? See. We
Speaker 2: got to be real careful when it comes down to semantics.
Speaker 2: You don't have to like somebody. You can disavow what
Speaker 2: they do. You can say I don't agree with how
Speaker 2: they move. You can say, well, up to me, I
Speaker 2: would have done something different. I don't have no problem
Speaker 2: none of that. You said, Devin, the issue came in
Speaker 2: he did not endorse kept over aprons. And that was
Speaker 2: the only thing that I was set out to prove
Speaker 2: and the only evidence that you didn't provide. That's it,
Speaker 2: and that's all. But what I want you to know,
Speaker 2: is a black man in America who is in politics.
Speaker 2: You must know it's the court of law. You must
Speaker 2: know that. You must know that. You must know that
Speaker 2: we cannot, especially as political leaders, we cannot just blurt
Speaker 2: things out and not back it up with the receipt.
Speaker 2: It's best to say, oh, I'll get back to you,
Speaker 2: or hey, this is my opinion, or set the premise
Speaker 2: up in the beginning, like I did with the post
Speaker 2: when I said I'm not speaking of New York, I'm
Speaker 2: speaking of overall. Now, if you chose not to read it,
Speaker 2: if you chose to skip the five print, that's on you,
Speaker 2: which is why we talk about that in course four
Speaker 2: of five, which is legal and compliance. If you chose
Speaker 2: to ignore the rule that I set forth, that's on you.
Speaker 2: But I set the rule very plain and clear that
Speaker 2: I was speaking overall, and y'all took the comments in
Speaker 2: a whole nother direction. But that was on y'all. That
Speaker 2: was not on me. Let's bring Steven Devon to the stage.
Speaker 2: This is recorded as a reminder for straight Shadow Chaser podcasts. Hey, Devin,
Speaker 2: thank you for listening, and thank you for holding the
Speaker 2: space of court. Your faith no, I'm recording.
Speaker 1: Speak up.
Speaker 2: Just say what you need to say, honey.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: So on the point about those particulars or whether or
Speaker 3: not he gave an official endorsement Brian Camp over Stacy Abrams,
Speaker 3: you were one hundred and fifty percent correct. He did
Speaker 3: not give an official endorsement to Brian Camp over Stacey eight.
Speaker 1: So I can see that point.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's all, And your opinion is valid. Like, you're
Speaker 2: not the first one that I that I heard that
Speaker 2: said they were disappointed in Mike. You're not the first
Speaker 2: one that said more should have been done. In fact,
Speaker 2: I believe that's what compelled him to say, okay, to
Speaker 2: reach out to Stacy's campaign and say come to the
Speaker 2: west side what she never did. By the way, but
Speaker 2: he can argue that point. But I was not in
Speaker 2: any way minimizing your perspective. What I was saying is
Speaker 2: we have to be careful black man of just saying
Speaker 2: things as fact, because I don't want them to do
Speaker 2: that to you. No, and that's hard.
Speaker 3: I think the piece that I wanted to communicate, and
Speaker 3: this is about the broader conversation around progressivism.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like.
Speaker 3: As someone who has contributed to the progressive movement, has
Speaker 3: run as a progressive as knows what it's like to
Speaker 3: receive some of that institutional support from her aggressive organizations
Speaker 3: like Democratic Socialism of America. You know, I when people
Speaker 3: call themselves progressive, and I actually don't even know killing
Speaker 3: my coffee self are progressive. But when people call themselves
Speaker 3: a progressive, I think it's important that we have to
Speaker 3: look at the receipts of progressive behavior. And like I said,
Speaker 3: I don't think you know, supporting your right to bear
Speaker 3: arms doesn't.
Speaker 1: Make you progressive.
Speaker 3: I believe in black people's right to bear arms and
Speaker 3: for self determination.
Speaker 1: That's a key part of that.
Speaker 3: With that being said, you know when Stacey, when you're
Speaker 3: well known in twenty twenty two, you're down and out,
Speaker 3: you're close, you in a tight election, when someone gives
Speaker 3: with a platform like killo Mike gets on a national
Speaker 3: platform and gives credit to your opponent and says nothing
Speaker 3: about you, well, in my mind, as a candidate, I
Speaker 3: know how that's gonna feel. I know how that shows up.
Speaker 3: And this shows up as you are supporting my opponent
Speaker 3: over me.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, well I'm well, let's deal with rules. Because again,
Speaker 2: I like rules. I'm not talking about what shows up.
Speaker 2: We don't even have to religate that. I hear what
Speaker 2: you're saying, and I agree, But the bottom line is
Speaker 2: he did not support Kemp over Stacy and I just
Speaker 2: deal with the facts. But I want but I hear
Speaker 2: what you're saying what shows up because we know that
Speaker 2: p R is a real thing, perception of reality, it's
Speaker 2: a real thing. But we were only debating if he
Speaker 2: endorsed or not. But I want to go back to
Speaker 2: what you said because this is a really healthy part
Speaker 2: of the of the argument when you said, if somebody's
Speaker 2: not showing up like a progressive, so let let and
Speaker 2: I and I love this and I can't wait to
Speaker 2: unpack this. There is no where is and see again,
Speaker 2: this is where it goes for the rules. Where is
Speaker 2: the I believe. Let me let me say this. One
Speaker 2: reason why I don't do YouTube is because there's no entry.
Speaker 2: Everybody can do it. Anybody can say they're they're a podcast,
Speaker 2: or anybody can say they got a show. Anybody can
Speaker 2: say they're a political anybody can say. You know why
Speaker 2: I don't like that, Devin, is because I don't like
Speaker 2: anybody can do anything. I actually like very clear rules.
Speaker 2: One reason why I do not support shout out to
Speaker 2: doctor Steve Perry in the building. One reason I don't
Speaker 2: support honorary degrees is because those who don't understand that
Speaker 2: an honorary degree and somebody running around calling themselves doctor
Speaker 2: is not the same thing as doctor Steve Perry. And
Speaker 2: it's one reason why I refuse to get my PhD,
Speaker 2: because I want no confusion between me with a PhD
Speaker 2: and some comedian that got honorary doctrine. No disrespect, but
Speaker 2: I believe in very clear rules. Let me go further.
Speaker 2: I joked today with my friend Michelle, who said, put
Speaker 2: some respect in her junior ROTC. I said, I will
Speaker 2: not be putting respect on your junior ROTC because you
Speaker 2: are not a veteran and no more than people than
Speaker 2: the Divine nine looks at Capital Sweethearts as a real sorority.
Speaker 2: I will not be looking at you as a soldier.
Speaker 2: With that said, there is no process to determine what
Speaker 2: is a progressive and what is not. Leer me out, Okay,
Speaker 2: so your opinion on Hey, if you're saying you're a progressive,
Speaker 2: but you ain't showing a like progressive there's no there
Speaker 2: has been no process to say. And this is one
Speaker 2: reason why I don't like political parties, by the way,
Speaker 2: because when you are a Democrat, they actually do want
Speaker 2: you to sign as you know, these are the things
Speaker 2: that you say you support and don't support. There is
Speaker 2: no progressive movement that has progressive candidates that actually have
Speaker 2: a This is what you need to do to be
Speaker 2: a progressive voter or a progressive candidate. So the bottom
Speaker 2: line moral to the story is anybody can say they
Speaker 2: whatever the hell they want to say, and you can
Speaker 2: say I disagree, they're not a progressive, and somebody else
Speaker 2: say where they are prepared. In fact, we saw many
Speaker 2: monerists do this. We saw many monitorists come out and say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a progressive because I believe in but
Speaker 2: but guess what. But guess what though he can say
Speaker 2: it's progressive because progressives have not defined any rules to
Speaker 2: determine what is and what ain't. See and this applies.
Speaker 2: See I love this type of talk, Devin, because in
Speaker 2: act to actually be a blood, let's put it to
Speaker 2: the hood so that everybody can know, so that everybody
Speaker 2: can know that the rules apply across the board. On
Speaker 2: any game you want to be a part of, and
Speaker 2: if you want to be a blood, somebody need to
Speaker 2: put you on or endorse you. You need to get
Speaker 2: beat up, or you need to fight your way in,
Speaker 2: or you need to pay your way in. There is
Speaker 2: a process to getting in. So because there's no process
Speaker 2: to being what a progressive is or ain't, you can say, well,
Speaker 2: she not of progressive, but you don't get to determine
Speaker 2: it because y'all don't have no rules. So until the
Speaker 2: progressive movement, like I keep telling over and over, y'all
Speaker 2: need to go over, especially black, go over to the
Speaker 2: Green Party and define the rules. That's what I say.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think a couple.
Speaker 3: I thinks one part of the reason why I feel
Speaker 3: comfortable in calling myself a progressive is because I know
Speaker 3: what it's like to be endorsed by progressive institutions that
Speaker 3: have a standard of like, these are the things, the
Speaker 3: type of policies that you need to support as a candidate.
Speaker 2: But those are for those institutions. But you're meeting the
Speaker 2: mark for those institutions. So if McDonald's says, in order
Speaker 2: to get a McDonald's endorsement, you need to eat three cheeseburgers. Okay,
Speaker 2: I got I met or exceeded what's required for the
Speaker 2: McDonald's endorsement. But that doesn't mean that I get endorsements
Speaker 2: from Wendy's and Burger King and everybody else that makes
Speaker 2: a hamburger. Because in fact, somebody could argue that the
Speaker 2: organizations that said that you were progressive, there's somebody saying
Speaker 2: that they ain't progressive. There's somebody saying, well, no, they're
Speaker 2: actually socialist.
Speaker 4: You have that going on right now, right gott of
Speaker 4: the Democratic Socialists of America and Working Families parties, that's
Speaker 4: right back or oftentimes about who is more progressive than another.
Speaker 1: And I love what somebody said in the chat that progressive.
Speaker 1: A part of it is that progressive isn't mine.
Speaker 3: Your point is be mindsets are subjective, that's right, so
Speaker 3: we're clear.
Speaker 2: So when we say that, so all I just want
Speaker 2: to know is it fair or not fair? I just
Speaker 2: don't think it's fair for anybody to say such and
Speaker 2: such is not a progressive if they're saying they're progressive.
Speaker 2: Now what I think the reframing can be according to
Speaker 2: my standard. I just like words to be clear. If
Speaker 2: you say, according to yeah, yeah, I just like words
Speaker 2: to be clear. And it could even be in the hood.
Speaker 2: I can say, according to my according to what I
Speaker 2: know about being a blood from the nineties in Inglewood,
Speaker 2: such and such rapper do not qualify according to what
Speaker 2: it means to be a blood. In nineteen ninety when
Speaker 2: Chris Big Blown Chris and his big age became a
Speaker 2: blood Chris Brown, he actually went and fought the homies
Speaker 2: in in jail for that reason, because he wanted to
Speaker 2: check the box to say I've done, you know, what's
Speaker 2: required to be considered what we call reputable. And I
Speaker 2: know many people are saying, why are you using gangs
Speaker 2: as a example, Well, because politics are gangs, absolutely, and
Speaker 2: it's all tribalism, and gangs actually have more, sometimes more
Speaker 2: organization than so called That's right. You don't, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: don't get to just be a GD in Chicago just
Speaker 2: wake up one day and say I'm a GD.
Speaker 3: So and I'm saying this, and I think a part
Speaker 3: of it is a couple of things.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 3: You know, to some extent, the progressive organizations that do exist,
Speaker 3: maybe with the exception of the Green Party, are relatively
Speaker 3: younger in their conception than the more traditional parties and
Speaker 3: even the fashions that exist within the traditional Democratic Republican Party.
Speaker 3: So I think some of this has just changed, and
Speaker 3: the fact that these are newer institutions that are getting
Speaker 3: their legs and so they should be listening to you,
Speaker 3: particularly as somebody who has worked for someone like Burning Standards,
Speaker 3: you know, who.
Speaker 1: Had this national platform. So I agree with that piece.
Speaker 1: I feel like for me, why I say and I
Speaker 1: speak from I use I statement why I how I.
Speaker 3: Judge progressivism is oftentimes rounded in the platforms and priorities
Speaker 3: of institutions like the Working Families Party and like the
Speaker 3: Democratic Socialists of America, because.
Speaker 1: There is some standard, there's something on paper there.
Speaker 3: You know, when I got endorsed that had to sign
Speaker 3: something that said a pledge that I'm going to do
Speaker 3: these things. It collected and so there is somewhat of
Speaker 3: a standard. Do I think that that needs to be
Speaker 3: amplified and increased because you're right, Zoran Will he could
Speaker 3: win in November and it will be a major, you know, benefit.
Speaker 1: To the progressive movement.
Speaker 3: But if he if there is not what you say,
Speaker 3: that standard that people can easily identify and say, this
Speaker 3: is what a progressive is right and hold him accountable right,
Speaker 3: and hold him accountable. And so when I said that
Speaker 3: I didn't consider of my progressive.
Speaker 1: It was based on what I know.
Speaker 3: I had found, the policy that I had committed myself to,
Speaker 3: and how some of the officials that he has supported
Speaker 3: has either stood in opposition of that.
Speaker 1: Opposed to you.
Speaker 2: No, I got that, And and my only argument is
Speaker 2: he was not. Because somebody says I supported a program
Speaker 2: you did does not mean that I support you and
Speaker 2: everything you do and I and it is very important.
Speaker 2: And now I will say that's one thing that progresses
Speaker 2: that they do.
Speaker 1: Do that.
Speaker 2: If I'm going to generalize this all or nothing purist
Speaker 2: tests and and that's that's very bad. Because I can
Speaker 2: say I support this program you put together, what she
Speaker 2: did with Kemp. That doesn't mean I support everything you
Speaker 2: know you bring to the table, and so and and
Speaker 2: and that. And I like to use relationships as examples
Speaker 2: because when people hear politicians, they get caught up in that.
Speaker 2: You know, I can say in my relationship, ninety percent
Speaker 2: of everything you do is on point. You know, if
Speaker 2: I if I rank the things that are most important,
Speaker 2: if I use ranked voting in my relationship, the things
Speaker 2: that are most important to me you do well. That
Speaker 2: mean that don't mean I like everything you do, but
Speaker 2: it does mean that I like this.
Speaker 3: He's being married, and my wife tells me about that
Speaker 3: all the times.
Speaker 1: I don't have to love everything you do in order
Speaker 1: to support.
Speaker 2: People, right, And it doesn't mean right, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that I don't love you. And so we have
Speaker 2: to have some nuances. That's why nothing's getting done in politics,
Speaker 2: because there's no nuance to say I support this, but
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily in favor in this. And so when
Speaker 2: you say he's supported Kemp, that's where I took issue
Speaker 2: because that, as you said, Howard reads, is I support
Speaker 2: all things Kemp does when that wasn't the case, when
Speaker 2: he would simply talking about one particular thing that he
Speaker 2: may have agreeved.
Speaker 3: That's all the piece set that you're talking about here
Speaker 3: around nuance is something that we get all benefit from
Speaker 3: because I do think that there were some folks who
Speaker 3: took support this program right and the absence of saying
Speaker 3: that I support something that Stacey did right before a
Speaker 3: major election, and there were a lot of black men,
Speaker 3: black voters who were like, oh, he supports Brian camp.
Speaker 1: I had these conversations.
Speaker 2: I was there.
Speaker 3: I saw I think you know to your point, like
Speaker 3: we as progressive need nuanced because I can't stand the
Speaker 3: all or nothing mentality either. Right, there are some pieces,
Speaker 3: there's some progressives who will say, if you're not a
Speaker 3: completely an anti capitalist, then you can't be a part
Speaker 3: of this tent.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's not realistic.
Speaker 3: Yet if capitalism was too far, some aspects of capitalism
Speaker 3: is still going to exist in whatever new should be created.
Speaker 2: And let me give a real time example. If you
Speaker 2: don't mind, I'm only saying it because you made it public.
Speaker 2: But I think this is a perfect example. You said,
Speaker 2: since you've been married, the LGBT invites stopped coming. So
Speaker 2: that's not fair. So everything that you've supported now that
Speaker 2: you're married, now all of a sudden, you see, how
Speaker 2: do they go now all of a sudden? Oh, I
Speaker 2: guess now you can't. You don't wrong with me or
Speaker 2: y'all don't think I support you because I'm doing something
Speaker 2: that maybe not all of y'all do. So that's why
Speaker 2: I like to use relationships as examples. We have to,
Speaker 2: and especially when it comes to black people, I'm particularly
Speaker 2: talking about black people because the bottom line is white people. Yea,
Speaker 2: we talking about black people because white people run the
Speaker 2: progressive movement, the modern movement, the Republican mo they run
Speaker 2: it off. But what black people we must We have
Speaker 2: to show each other some grace when it comes to nuance,
Speaker 2: because all we know is nuance. All we know is
Speaker 2: do a little bit of this and a little bit
Speaker 2: of that, from cooking, from cooking our food to let
Speaker 2: me put a little bit of lour re seasons all
Speaker 2: to a little bit of pepper, to a little bit
Speaker 2: of that. No, we know, right, All we know is
Speaker 2: a little bit of this and a little bit of that.
Speaker 2: So I just want us in the black political space
Speaker 2: to not be so quick to say, Okay, he was
Speaker 2: against her and he went with the white man, when
Speaker 2: number one, it was not true. However, you can certainly
Speaker 2: say I did not like the way he did not
Speaker 2: speak up for her in that moment. I don't like
Speaker 2: the way he advocated or he did support say what
Speaker 2: he liked about Camp and didn't say what he liked
Speaker 2: about Stacy. You got every right to say that, because
Speaker 2: you know what my answer is to that. Y'all wan't
Speaker 2: get to tell me what to say and how to
Speaker 2: say it no time. So that's my answer.
Speaker 1: I've been in the same situation with other people.
Speaker 3: There's times where I'm going to because you know, I'm
Speaker 3: a lobbyist. I've been a candidate for office, and so
Speaker 3: in order for me to get things done in the legislature,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be times where I have to talk to
Speaker 3: people and lean on my relationships that I have with
Speaker 3: people who are not of the same political affiliation. If
Speaker 3: you get anything done in the Georgia legislature, there's a
Speaker 3: Republican that you have to talk to.
Speaker 1: In order to get it done right.
Speaker 3: And so I do think that this all or nothing
Speaker 3: piece is important. The one piece that I do want
Speaker 3: to add is that, well, I know what it's like
Speaker 3: to work with Republicans. I also know being the power
Speaker 3: of my political capital. So, for example, if we are
Speaker 3: in a moment right now with Brian kim On on
Speaker 3: some shit, let's say it's medicaid expansion, We've got some
Speaker 3: Republicans to say, well, we'll support Medica expansion. Because Republicans
Speaker 3: in other states have supported medicaid expansion, We're one of
Speaker 3: the few states that have not, right, and I.
Speaker 1: Just got some hit paths with Brian on some other thing.
Speaker 3: Right right now we're in this big public fight about
Speaker 3: Medicaid expansion.
Speaker 1: I'm going to toll the line.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not gonna praise Brian hit right now
Speaker 3: because right now.
Speaker 2: We in this.
Speaker 3: I can praise them tomorrow after we sort through this,
Speaker 3: but right now I can't get that.
Speaker 2: And and the key word is I. That's you. That's the
Speaker 2: key word. So and so, all I'm saying is.
Speaker 1: Just to use the political capital the way that fit.
Speaker 2: And guess what, you have the right to critique it all.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying, right, all I'm saying is when it
Speaker 2: comes to us and black people, when you was like,
Speaker 2: oh this this ain't the court of law, that's like, no,
Speaker 2: we gotta go live because I just want us to.
Speaker 2: I want us to think what a legal mind. Seriously,
Speaker 2: I really do, because they're gonna make They're gonna hold
Speaker 2: us to our words more than anybody, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. They're gonna hold us to our work.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: And we just we just don't get grace around it,
Speaker 2: that's all. And so we can certainly critique people, we
Speaker 2: can challenge people to be better. We can say you
Speaker 2: should be a better advocate for X, y Z. You
Speaker 2: can this, you can get. What I would say is
Speaker 2: what I would caution people, and they can do what
Speaker 2: they want to do. But what I would caution people.
Speaker 2: What has what has not been working is people trying
Speaker 2: to what I've seen, bully people into saying what they
Speaker 2: should and better do at all it makes them do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all it makes them do is say, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna do it just because so No, And
Speaker 2: in fact, I.
Speaker 1: Think we have that's another conversation.
Speaker 3: But I do think that part of the reason why
Speaker 3: Trump this is not a new statement, but part of
Speaker 3: the reason why Trump has a certain level of appeal,
Speaker 3: and part of the reason why Zorn has the level
Speaker 3: of appealing in New York is because people appreciate when
Speaker 3: folks stay what's that.
Speaker 1: You agree with, staying on business right.
Speaker 3: And so I do feel like there's a piece of
Speaker 3: that where like, you know, killing my key, he defended himself,
Speaker 3: he explained himself on the view. You know, some people
Speaker 3: felt like that suffice, other people didn't. And that's fine.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that I also lead from this lens
Speaker 3: that I don't view.
Speaker 1: Black people as disposal.
Speaker 3: So even if I don't agree with you today, it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I can't work on some shit with
Speaker 3: you tomorrow on something that I do agree with. And
Speaker 3: I think that we do a disservice to our movement
Speaker 3: and to the work that we have to do as
Speaker 3: black people to get free when we feel like this
Speaker 3: is all or nothing mentality, or because I've called you
Speaker 3: out on something that I didn't like, then that means
Speaker 3: that we can't work together. Kill and Mike want to
Speaker 3: call me right there and work on my god boys,
Speaker 3: the dispensary program to get inst in Atlanta, to get
Speaker 3: a dispensary license, a grower's license under the city so
Speaker 3: that young black men can learn how to get in
Speaker 3: the industry. And because of his connections at the state,
Speaker 3: he can make that happen with the city and the state.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work with it. I'm gonna advocate. We don't
Speaker 1: even ever have to talk. He can go on to
Speaker 1: meet with the governor. I'm gonna go to the meetings
Speaker 1: at city level. I'm gonna get in front of the
Speaker 1: local news.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna advocate, I'm gonna educate the public, and we're
Speaker 3: gonna get it done. And I think that's where sometimes
Speaker 3: it's political rhetoric. We lose that if we don't name
Speaker 3: from the jump that just because I disagree with you
Speaker 3: and I don't like everything that you did, doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that I can't work for it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. And my thing is the reason
Speaker 2: why we lose that is because it becomes accusatory, out
Speaker 2: the jibt and that, and that's all. That's all.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's the reason because also the
Speaker 3: other thing is, while I feel the way that I
Speaker 3: feel about how killing Mike used or dedn't used his
Speaker 3: political capital in twenty twenty two, ultimately.
Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams was the one who was responsible to win
Speaker 1: that race. No killing Mike, you know what I'm saying. Right, So,
Speaker 1: like his endorsement wasn't necessarily gonna it might have made
Speaker 1: a break yet, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But ultimately it was her responsibility to win that race,
Speaker 3: and her consultancs and the people who worked on the
Speaker 3: campaign and all the folks who.
Speaker 2: Donated to yeah, the white folks that the white folks
Speaker 2: that was in charge, by the way, And that's all
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you.
Speaker 1: Know that, But a lot of the folks probably listening,
Speaker 1: and they don't know that so many of these candidates,
Speaker 1: including people that we like or.
Speaker 2: Not, right, all of them, yeah, all of them. We
Speaker 2: don't We don't have to say so many of them,
Speaker 2: all of them. Yes, that's it, And that's my only
Speaker 2: point that that was my only point of the original post.
Speaker 2: That people win. In another direction is that it's not
Speaker 2: about because when I respond to you about you know,
Speaker 2: older voters, younger voters, No, what I'm saying, they don't
Speaker 2: spend the money on young old in the middle bottom
Speaker 2: line like they the money just need Yeah, the money
Speaker 2: need to get spent. Yeah, the money need to get spent.
Speaker 2: Don't need to been spent last minute, and need to
Speaker 2: spend year round, right, year around. That was my only point.
Speaker 2: And then my only point was he did not endorse Kemp.
Speaker 2: But your your thoughts are valid. What you text me,
Speaker 2: I'm not taking away from your perspective. Again, I've invited
Speaker 2: you to revote several times, so I know what it is. No,
Speaker 2: but I do know, But I want to say this publicly. No,
Speaker 2: but I want to say this publicly because it's very important.
Speaker 2: Like when somebody like when you like don't diminish what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, because I'm like, no, I want to be clear.
Speaker 2: If I diminished, I never do that, Like I before
Speaker 2: you got on, I was saying, I'm not that type
Speaker 2: of person. Marcelle's is my co host, no radio experience.
Speaker 2: I met him from the comments. I don't diminish anybody's voice.
Speaker 2: If I diminish your voice, you would have never been
Speaker 2: invited on my show. So I'm not diminishing anybody. What
Speaker 2: I'm saying is we're speaking from different lenses and it
Speaker 2: it's important that we just hear each other out, want
Speaker 2: to hear you know, like what where we're coming from,
Speaker 2: what point we're trying to make. And then my overall
Speaker 2: point was no, we gotta always back our stuff up
Speaker 2: with evidence. And I'm just saying that just in general,
Speaker 2: because they will hold us to everything we say. That's all,
Speaker 2: and I just want that to be.
Speaker 3: Not that I'm getting in trouble. But you know, if
Speaker 3: you elected Christian be a legal counsel and retainer.
Speaker 2: Better believe it. You better believe I want my money
Speaker 2: up front.
Speaker 3: But but no, and so I'm gonna pay you on
Speaker 3: time because I definitely don't want you looking for me
Speaker 3: because I know you're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true. But thank you for the
Speaker 2: conversation that I appreciate you. Send love to your wife,
Speaker 2: your beautiful baby, your family. Thank you for having the conversation.
Speaker 2: This is why the training is so important. I saw
Speaker 2: you win and looked at the free preview two guys.
Speaker 2: But those of you come to the training. Yeah, come
Speaker 2: to the training, guys, because we have got to understand
Speaker 2: how to organize. And that was the whole point of
Speaker 2: this tonight's episode. I want people to know there's a
Speaker 2: dollar associated Michelle is actually here in the comments. She
Speaker 2: joined and I used her as an example. When she
Speaker 2: ran for office in sixty days, she still had to
Speaker 2: spend five hundred dollars on flyers and a lot of
Speaker 2: people that I don't understand. There's a cost associated with that.
Speaker 2: It's not just you know, each one teach one. No,
Speaker 2: we actually have to spend money with flyers, knocking on doors, donuts, sandwiches.
Speaker 2: There's money for outreach, and black people are always left
Speaker 2: holding the bag with these multimillion dollar races. And so
Speaker 2: I was just saying, I'm not surprised that he did well,
Speaker 2: and I just don't want it to always be the quick. Well,
Speaker 2: it's the black older voters. They just don't know. No,
Speaker 2: let's look at these campaign finance support and see how
Speaker 2: much money they spent in to organize black young voters.
Speaker 2: They'll give you the answer. That'll give you the answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And you know, I love Anthelis, I love.
Speaker 3: Being educated, and so it's nothing for me to come
Speaker 3: to the training. Y'all need to come to the training.
Speaker 1: Listen. I've done Congressional Black Confice training.
Speaker 3: That's great. Don venturin to training, great, all of the things.
Speaker 3: I can even facilitate training. It doesn't matter what your
Speaker 3: experience level is. You always need to increase your knowledge
Speaker 3: and your skill set.
Speaker 1: Look, while you're learning from tense, you's gonna be learning
Speaker 1: from people in these in these courts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, con with and so it's also a networking opportunity.
Speaker 1: So like get get get plugged in, gime plugged in,
Speaker 1: yunk so much.
Speaker 2: All right, I appreciation to Devin, love you too, Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, peace, Well guys, that was a great, great impromptu.
Speaker 2: Uh we see Michelle's also joined us as well. I
Speaker 2: was just talking about Michelle earlier when I was talking
Speaker 2: about out again, Guys, organizing actually costs money. It's not
Speaker 2: some each one teach one and we just need to
Speaker 2: talk about it more. No, even if you want to
Speaker 2: organize people in the comments, it costs time to organize time.
Speaker 2: It costs to get phone banking to get people on
Speaker 2: the same page. Michelle, who's in the comments, real life candidate,
Speaker 2: had to do this in sixty days. I was on
Speaker 2: her head for sixty days. She did it out her
Speaker 2: own pocket. Guys.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So when I tell y'all that they are not spending
Speaker 2: money on black candidates, I mean that I'm gonna stand
Speaker 2: by that. I asked Michelle before, how much are you
Speaker 2: willing to spend on this? Because Michelle, I will tell
Speaker 2: y'all in real time. This way, y'all need to come
Speaker 2: to the training. Michelle's actually one of my trainers. By
Speaker 2: the way, they all star marce ellis with, well, how
Speaker 2: much do you plan on running? Oh, I'm gonna run
Speaker 2: and raised about ten fifteen thousand. Bet okay, Now, how
Speaker 2: much you're gonna spend your own money? Because you know
Speaker 2: what I knew. The reality is the reality is if
Speaker 2: you get on with only sixty days to win, whatever
Speaker 2: she thought she was gonna get didn't get. God, that's
Speaker 2: what they don't tell y'all in these trainings. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: all you gotta do is call this one and raised it. No,
Speaker 2: the reality is, Michelle, how much are you winning to
Speaker 2: spend out your own pocket? That's what I asked my
Speaker 2: candidates right out the gate. That's great, if you go
Speaker 2: get that money, go get it, raised it, great, But
Speaker 2: how much you gonna put on it? Cause we need
Speaker 2: to know what the backup plan is. And if the
Speaker 2: backup plan is Marcella's ain't got none on it, then hey,
Speaker 2: we need to figure out something else because I need
Speaker 2: to know what you got on it, because you know
Speaker 2: what it came down to, Marcello's what Michelle had on it.
Speaker 2: Printing out her own brochures, taking them the kink oles
Speaker 2: and printing them out for a dollar to make sure
Speaker 2: them doors got flyed. That's the reality of running. And
Speaker 2: so many candidates have done that on their own with
Speaker 2: their own money, and they've organized black voters to believe
Speaker 2: in their candidacy on the local level, and then these
Speaker 2: major campaigns come in, These major candidates come in, call
Speaker 2: the Michelle and say, hey, mis why don't you help
Speaker 2: get them, you know, them thousand people you got to
Speaker 2: come to the polls. Why don't you come help them,
Speaker 2: get us to the polls and come take a picture
Speaker 2: with us. And they leave Michelle in the west spot.
Speaker 2: They leave her to continue to organize on her own,
Speaker 2: out her own pocket, and then y'all sit around in
Speaker 2: the college and say, just do it because it needs
Speaker 2: to be done, do it because it's a laborer love. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Michelle had to pay brothers and cousins and pay for
Speaker 2: donuts and food out her pocket. This is the real
Speaker 2: deal that what local candidates go through, and racists that
Speaker 2: are nationalized that bring in millions and millions and millions
Speaker 2: of dollars to help these people that y'all be sitting
Speaker 2: up here defending don't spend a dollar on the ground
Speaker 2: when it comes to local candidates like her who can
Speaker 2: help bring an extra thousand people to the polls. That's
Speaker 2: how it works. That's how it works, guys. And they
Speaker 2: don't tell you that because they want you so called
Speaker 2: up in the Trump and Obama and michell of it all,
Speaker 2: that they just completely don't tell you how it works.
Speaker 2: When you're running for city council, State Rep. Like Devon
Speaker 2: ran for city council. So Devin, she'll be able to say,
Speaker 2: I can get two thousand people to show up x
Speaker 2: y Z right now, but you got to pay to
Speaker 2: get that done. Not him getting paid to Greece's palm
Speaker 2: and not like that, just literally paid, you know, like
Speaker 2: literally the sandwiches, the donuts, the juice, paying people for
Speaker 2: their time. No, they want us to do it, and
Speaker 2: then when we don't show up the way they want
Speaker 2: us to, well, you know that's the problem. Black people
Speaker 2: don't show up. No, they don't show the money. And
Speaker 2: I'm sick of that being on us. All Right, guys,
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