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<v Speaker 1>Yet to ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Real, let's just keep it real, straight shot with No

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<v Speaker 2>Chaser and I'm gonna get a little bit rougher. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here for it. Those who really believed in the American process,

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<v Speaker 2>all of us street Shot No Chase with your girl

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<v Speaker 2>Tensel figure out on the Black Effect podcast network, didnt

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<v Speaker 2>even know everybody. Straight Shot No Chaser. Marcellus and I

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<v Speaker 2>uh here pulled in a couple of folks for a

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<v Speaker 2>quick live studio audience as we record Straight Shot No Chaser.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this was a great opportunity to do a

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<v Speaker 2>quick training for those of you that heard the exchange

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<v Speaker 2>that I had a moment ago on uh Instagram live

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<v Speaker 2>between uh my good friend Devin, who is who's ran

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<v Speaker 2>for office there in Atlanta, and I want to continue

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. So I'm gonna use this as a training tool,

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<v Speaker 2>not to embarrass Devin or anything like that. I know

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<v Speaker 2>he would love to come on the live and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but we're gonna use this as a training opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Marcella's and why the training is critically important, especially for

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<v Speaker 2>candidates who are running for office like Devon, who has

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<v Speaker 2>ran for city council. I believe in Orlando, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta. Have you heard the live earlier we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about and I'm going to get to that in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment. We were talking about progressive candidates not spending

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<v Speaker 2>money on black outreach, and I want to be clear

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you who are new to me, new

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<v Speaker 2>to my world, welcome Marcella's. You might want to give

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<v Speaker 2>them the tutorial that anybody can get it at rehime.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not in love with these candidates the way

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<v Speaker 2>that you guys are. I will definitely speak truth to power.

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<v Speaker 2>I will definitely be fair, but I will always and

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<v Speaker 2>I need somebody in the chat to put always, always

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<v Speaker 2>ask where is the bag when it comes to black outreach.

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<v Speaker 2>That goes for black progressives, that goes for black moderates,

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<v Speaker 2>they go for Black Republicans, They go for the Black

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<v Speaker 2>Green Party, they go for the Black Tea Party, they

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<v Speaker 2>go for the Black Kitchen Soup party. That go who else?

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<v Speaker 2>The Collar of Green Party, the Yams Party? Who else?

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<v Speaker 1>Martina? Who miss Meg? The dreads.

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<v Speaker 2>I like you like to call is stuffing. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>Mathew like to call the stuffing the stuffing party. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't give a damn and I need somebody to help

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<v Speaker 2>me in the comments. Cheslem Figuaro, don't give a damn

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<v Speaker 2>what you represent, blood souewoop business, crip what upcuz pi

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<v Speaker 2>rule you be in rolling sixties, rolling thirty four five

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<v Speaker 2>six powru it brims. It don't matter whoever you are,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever flag you represent. I am always going to ask

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening with the black dollar?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Always. It's no shade against y'all, whoever youall favorite candidate

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<v Speaker 2>is of the hour. It's just a simple question that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask every time, every time, what's happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Well every time. So when I made the statement, the

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<v Speaker 2>black progress that progresses once again should have to the

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<v Speaker 2>hoovers in the building. We're doing the roll call today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to do the roll call because it don't

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<v Speaker 2>matter who you are, whoever can get the fade. I

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<v Speaker 2>just need some of my bloods and crips in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoever can get the fade. It's always a fade available,

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes to the candidates first, never to the voter.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to me. Welcome to somebody that actually

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<v Speaker 2>likes to give the fades to the candidates. I said

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<v Speaker 2>what I said, and I meant what I said, which is,

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<v Speaker 2>overall the money is not spent on black outreach. Now, Marcella's,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a long caption. They didn't read the caption,

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<v Speaker 2>so I took it out because I saw they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to read the course materials in the caption. As always,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, let me take out. Let me just be

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<v Speaker 2>real plain and clear that if he did not do

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<v Speaker 2>and I've also made it clear I set the premise

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<v Speaker 2>up in the beginning that said, I don't I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>speaking on New York politicians of New York politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I not correct?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm not talking about New York politics. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying overall, they do not spend the money to get

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<v Speaker 2>out the vote. So guys, we call it GOTV called

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<v Speaker 2>get out the vote. And overall the people in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of the money the white liberals and the white progressives

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<v Speaker 2>cause so it ain't black people that are in charge

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<v Speaker 2>with the money. They get very little to black media,

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<v Speaker 2>to black organizations, to black outreach to get out the vote. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>immediately people started coming into comments Marcella's saying, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>older voters need to figure out what they want. The

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<v Speaker 2>question is we need to be asking why older voters

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<v Speaker 2>vote this way and why they vote that way, and

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<v Speaker 2>what's wrong with the vote? Y'all missed it. It went over

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<v Speaker 2>your head. In order to convince an older voter, a

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<v Speaker 2>younger voter, a toddler voter, a teenage voter, a middle

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<v Speaker 2>aged voter, a pre teen voter, a whoever voter. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is why y'all need to be in the training

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<v Speaker 2>teslmfigure out dot com. It is money allocated for each

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<v Speaker 2>voter to hear a message. Do y'all know that? Put

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<v Speaker 2>a five in the chat? Maybe people don't know that,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why y'all need to come to the training.

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<v Speaker 2>If I raise five thousand dollars and I say I

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<v Speaker 2>have to reach six hundred and seventy six hundred candidates

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred. Let's say my win number is six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and I only and I say, what is the cost?

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<v Speaker 2>And I want you all to really get this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>giving y'all this free training, but y'all really got to

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<v Speaker 2>come to my class. Not only do we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this in my class, I also talk about how to

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<v Speaker 2>implement this in a real way. This is not about

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<v Speaker 2>just talking, guys. It's a real strategy which Devin knows.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I was confused on what he's even

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. When Michelle ran her race Marcella's that I

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<v Speaker 2>helped her with last year, and she got on the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot sixty days, we know we needed to meet. We

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<v Speaker 2>needed to touch X amount of voters. X amount of

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<v Speaker 2>voters requires a certain amount of money. You don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a lot of money, but it requires a

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<v Speaker 2>certain amount of money. Meaning if I go print all

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred flyers, you know at Kinko's, that's a cost. Correct, Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a call. You're correct, I think I said, Jeremy

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<v Speaker 2>to the zero zero five. It is a cost, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it is with Michelle Watley, who spent it out

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<v Speaker 2>of her own her own pocket. She had to spend

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<v Speaker 2>let's just say, a dollar for every flyer that was printed.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't raise any money because she got on sixty days,

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<v Speaker 2>So it was six hundred dollars And I'm just doing

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<v Speaker 2>a rough estimate, six hundred dollars a dollar a flyer

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<v Speaker 2>to go get those brochures on somebody's debt, on somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>door every day. Put a five in the chat. If

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<v Speaker 2>that's making prain sense to you, the flyers don't disappear Marcella's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not what people are saying in the car. We

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<v Speaker 2>just gotta each one teach one. That's not how organizing works.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not how it works. Organizing is an actual strategy,

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<v Speaker 2>an actual budget, and don't have to be but an

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<v Speaker 2>actual plan, an actual field plan, an actual when you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>when you win a war, let me tell you something,

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<v Speaker 2>as a veteran, do you think we just sitting back

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<v Speaker 2>saying each one teach one? Or is there a plan

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<v Speaker 2>in place? Guys? The air force has a plan, our

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<v Speaker 2>plan at the air force. Air Force, we monitor the

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<v Speaker 2>air I mean when we need a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 2>recruits to come in, we need a certain amount that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna protect the planes. We need a certain which was

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<v Speaker 2>my job, by the way, M sixty. Gonna protect a plane,

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<v Speaker 2>need a certain aount of people that's gonna fly the planes.

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<v Speaker 2>They need salaries, they gotta eat, We gotta take care

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<v Speaker 2>of them. They need benefit. Are y'all following me? Put

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<v Speaker 2>a five in the chat? Then we got the air

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<v Speaker 2>taken care of. Let me use that in a candidate standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>the air If we're gonna use a candidate analogy the

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<v Speaker 2>air would be like, what guys advertisement advertisement? Thank you sweetheart,

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<v Speaker 2>So the air let's use it in a candidates standpoints.

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<v Speaker 2>The air would be the Air Force would be advertisement.

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<v Speaker 2>It costs money to advertise, even if you're advertising on

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook for five dollars an ad. I'm not even talking

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<v Speaker 2>about big let's dumbness down the just local. If you

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<v Speaker 2>ran a race tomorrow, okay, Marcella's Facebook ad, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>spend five dollars a day over thirty days. That's advertisement.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Air Force. Then, in order to win the

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<v Speaker 2>war with the United States military, we need what the

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<v Speaker 2>army on the ground. See, boots on the ground is

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<v Speaker 2>not just a song. It's a real thing with boots

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<v Speaker 2>actually on the ground. So the Marines and the Air Force,

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<v Speaker 2>the Marines a few good men and the Army are

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<v Speaker 2>the two branches that lead infantry on the ground. And

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean that the Air Force is never on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, because I tell you all the time, spe

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<v Speaker 2>we add infantry as well. But the two that lead

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground would be the Marines a few good

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<v Speaker 2>men meaning all of y'all can't be a marine. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get to that in a minute. Which is why

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<v Speaker 2>I be telling y'all in the comments respectfully. It's levels

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<v Speaker 2>to this because in order to be the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>being a marine and in the army is your physical fitness.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody in the comments put physical fitness. So no, brother,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to shade you when I say I'm

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<v Speaker 2>bringing more agile, physical fitness to the conversation. Meaning I've

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<v Speaker 2>just done more, had more experience outside of one region

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean I'm better. It doesn't mean I'm diminishing you, Devin.

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<v Speaker 2>It means I'm telling you I was in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>I need somebody to help me in the room. I

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<v Speaker 2>was in the room when these progressives were deciding how

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to spend money on black voters. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that what you say in Atlanta is not valuable.

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<v Speaker 2>It just means that my physical fitness, my ability, agility,

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<v Speaker 2>my qualification to be a marine is different than an

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<v Speaker 2>air force. I'm on a different ground level, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why so when Devon says I was on the ground, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you was on the ground and in the air in

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<v Speaker 2>the Army. I was on the ground as a marine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's levels to this. It's not about a disrespect, it's

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<v Speaker 2>understanding where you are in this guys. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>push the line has a logo, marcellis with each person

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<v Speaker 2>somebody pushing the P, the you, the s, the h

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<v Speaker 2>we all have a job to do. I am never

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<v Speaker 2>thinking I'm above anybody, Marcelli's because if that's the case,

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't be sitting here with me as a co

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<v Speaker 2>host on a weekly basis. And I met you in

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<v Speaker 2>a comment section. What no radio experience, right, So this

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<v Speaker 2>is not about diminishing somebody. Move your insecurities out the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's deal with the issue at hand. Welcome to class.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody put a five in the chat if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>class this evening. So my perspective on saying with the

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<v Speaker 2>the new progressive movement that was supercharged by Bernard Sanders,

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<v Speaker 2>we all agree, right, he was the one that woke

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<v Speaker 2>up this progressive momentum with organizing more progressives ever in

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<v Speaker 2>our generation, Bernie Sanders. So I'm giving you my perspective

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<v Speaker 2>of being in the room with the only ten people

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<v Speaker 2>who were black in the room with Bernie Sanders in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen when nobody knew who the hell Bernie Sanders was.

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<v Speaker 2>So that means my view is going to be different

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<v Speaker 2>than Devin's view in Atlanta. It's not about diminishing him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just we need to understand. I am in the

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<v Speaker 2>Marines and you are in the Army. It doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>that we're both not on the ground. We're seeing different perspectives.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense yep. So I clearly laid out

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<v Speaker 2>in the caption I'm not talking about New York because

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<v Speaker 2>that's for New York to figure out. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>enough about New York politics. I tell y'all what I

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<v Speaker 2>know and what I don't know. There are some things

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<v Speaker 2>that go across the board that you can apply in

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<v Speaker 2>any city, any state. But I was not speaking on

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<v Speaker 2>New York politics. I was simply saying the data that

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<v Speaker 2>came out and said that Zaurun, as they put out

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<v Speaker 2>his name, did not do well with black voters. And

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<v Speaker 2>I simply said, I'm not speaking on New York because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But what I do know is progressive

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<v Speaker 2>continue to fail at black outreach. And I also was

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<v Speaker 2>fair across the board marcellis and said this also goes

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<v Speaker 2>for motteries as well. But my experience being a marine

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<v Speaker 2>with working on the ground with the white multi millionaire

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<v Speaker 2>consultants that decided who should get the money, why, where,

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<v Speaker 2>what in twenty fifteen, I'm giving you that experience from

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<v Speaker 2>a overall view, not a local view. It was not

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<v Speaker 2>about minimizing what Devin said in his Atlanta experience. It

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<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with that. Take the personal off

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<v Speaker 2>the table. It was about me saying that my experience

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<v Speaker 2>on progressives and what they do not spend with black outreach,

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<v Speaker 2>old young are indifferent. If it's six hundred dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>print off the flyers, if it's we need to hire

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<v Speaker 2>some folks instead of asking volunteers and knock on doors,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's we need to give pizza, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>give donuts, we need to give whatever, you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is, I'm saying they don't spend the money. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. I'm saying that for moderates. I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>that for progressives, but particularly progressives, because progressives is a

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<v Speaker 2>newer model. If you will, if we go by looking

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<v Speaker 2>at what Bernie Sanders started in twenty fifteen to now,

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<v Speaker 2>if y'all agree with that, put a five in the

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<v Speaker 2>chat where moderates have been taking advantage of black voters

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<v Speaker 2>for years because you know, black people have been Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>centrist for the most part, but they have a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more roots in on the ground because they were

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they've been you know, doing on the groundwork longer,

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<v Speaker 2>which is fair, which is why I push even harder

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<v Speaker 2>for progresses to do more, to spend money on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was very clear in laying out this is

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<v Speaker 2>not about New York because it is very important Devon

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<v Speaker 2>when we lay things out because to Devin, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell y'all our conversation we had a great conversation offline

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<v Speaker 2>and said, this is not the court of law. It

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<v Speaker 2>actually is the court of law. And Devin, you as

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<v Speaker 2>a candidate, I want you to move as if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the court of law at all times. This is

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<v Speaker 2>why they say what you say can what be.

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<v Speaker 1>You in the court of law.

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<v Speaker 2>And I particularly want you guys, especially candidates who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, Devin, and I'll let you gives. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you dine and say something. But this is just

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<v Speaker 2>being the student posture and listen just for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very important that when you say things that you

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<v Speaker 2>are that you stand on those things and you can

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<v Speaker 2>back it up with evidence. Because the one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>a black man needs is evidence. You're what I'm telling yah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying this would love is og love the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that black men and I'm gonna say it again,

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing black women too. But the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>in case y'all not looking at what's happening every day,

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing death. And the reason why I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to stand on this, baby, is because the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that you need is a black man in America

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<v Speaker 2>is evidence. And if you do not have that learn behavior,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had a witness in the building. If

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<v Speaker 2>I am not teaching you that learn behavior, I make

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<v Speaker 2>Marcellus do it all the time. Guys, I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to have that learn behavior, that it is in your walk,

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<v Speaker 2>in your talk. I won't give a damn if you

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<v Speaker 2>at the barbershop, I won't give a shit if you

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<v Speaker 2>just having a random debate about who's the best ball

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<v Speaker 2>player of all times, who's the best this, who's the

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<v Speaker 2>best lyricists of all time? I need black people, especially

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<v Speaker 2>black men, that when things come out of your mouth,

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<v Speaker 2>that you are able to back it up with evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>because America is going to make you stand on it.

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<v Speaker 2>We actually are in the court of law put a

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<v Speaker 2>five in the chat. If you agree, I'm gonna let

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<v Speaker 2>you come on, Devin, but I want you to hear

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<v Speaker 2>me first from love, because I'm concerned about you, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is from love. You made the statement, and when

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna move over to the progressive part, because him

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<v Speaker 2>and I both agree on that. You made the statement

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<v Speaker 2>that killer Mike chose Kemp over Stacy Abrams, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>show me the evidence of that, because that is not true.

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<v Speaker 2>And you sent a very long dissertation, very long thesis

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<v Speaker 2>about how he could have been a better supporter, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm paraphrasing a better advocate, a more enthusiastic person for Abrams,

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<v Speaker 2>a more let's just say, a better community leader. I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to hear me. Good, Devin. You have every

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<v Speaker 2>right to feel that way. The debate, or what I

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<v Speaker 2>asked you to show me evidence was not evidence on

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<v Speaker 2>if he was not the best community person in your

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<v Speaker 2>subjective opinion. The evidence was not based upon could he

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<v Speaker 2>have been more favorable to Stacy Abrams in your opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>The evidence was not called for to the court about

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<v Speaker 2>should he had not praised Kemp. So when you explained,

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<v Speaker 2>you said yourself literally although he did not endorse Kemp.

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<v Speaker 2>He still could have blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is my only point, Devin. And when I

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<v Speaker 2>said what you said would not hold weight in the

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<v Speaker 2>court of law, and you said, this is not the

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<v Speaker 2>court of law, it actually is, brother, Because you must,

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<v Speaker 2>especially as a candidate, you must have the mindset and

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<v Speaker 2>think like an attorney. I give an example in lawyering Fundamentals,

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<v Speaker 2>one of our classes, it says, come up with who

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<v Speaker 2>what makes a great song? Now, many of y'all will say,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the greatest song of all time? Who's the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>player of all time? You know why I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>those debates, Devin and Marcella's because I don't like conversations

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<v Speaker 2>without rules. Somebody gonna say Lebron, somebody gonna say AI,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody gonna say Jordan's. You know, somebody gonna say. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like those barbershop conversations, Devin. So when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to me, you gotta narrow down the scope. We gotta

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<v Speaker 2>identify the rules. And identifying the rules means what genre

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<v Speaker 2>are we talking about? What are we talking about? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the song? What are we talking about stats, who

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<v Speaker 2>makes the best player? Are we talking about overall? Who's

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<v Speaker 2>the best human being overall?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we talking about who who is the greatest of

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<v Speaker 2>all the time? Because Muhammad Ali did what many many

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<v Speaker 2>others would never do. Are we just talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>many punches got landed? Are we talking about who took

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<v Speaker 2>the Do y'all follow what I'm saying? Put a five

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<v Speaker 2>in the chat. You must establish the rules. See, you

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<v Speaker 2>cannot just throw something out to me and think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna ask you for the evidence, and black Man,

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<v Speaker 2>you need evidence. Yeah, the reason why the d trial

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<v Speaker 2>right now, why they had to drop some of those

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<v Speaker 2>charges is because what y'all the lack of lack of evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot afford to say things out your mouth that

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<v Speaker 2>you can't back up with evidence. Because I need you

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<v Speaker 2>to be thinking like that, Devin, because you are a candidate,

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<v Speaker 2>and you speak often, and the words you say can

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<v Speaker 2>and will be and should be expected to be used

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<v Speaker 2>against you. So if you want to premise it and

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<v Speaker 2>say killer Mike was not the best community partner or

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<v Speaker 2>the best community member, or did not support Stacy Abrams

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<v Speaker 2>the way I think he would, you have no argument

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<v Speaker 2>with me on that the argument came from he supported

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<v Speaker 2>Kemp over Stacy Abrams and you said, well that's just semantics. No, no, no, See,

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<v Speaker 2>black men been hanged over semantics. I wish I had

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<v Speaker 2>a five in the chat. Black men have been persecuted

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<v Speaker 2>over semantics. Black people have been misunderstood over semann. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I had somebody who was a witness black people,

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<v Speaker 2>because see, when you sit in front of that jury appears.

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<v Speaker 2>See one person says semantics marcellis. Another one says, show

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<v Speaker 2>me where the law is. Another one say show me

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<v Speaker 2>where the rico is. Another one say, well, that's domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one say, well did he really call? See. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to be real careful when it comes down to semantics.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to like somebody. You can disavow what

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<v Speaker 2>they do. You can say I don't agree with how

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<v Speaker 2>they move. You can say, well, up to me, I

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<v Speaker 2>would have done something different. I don't have no problem

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<v Speaker 2>none of that. You said, Devin, the issue came in

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<v Speaker 2>he did not endorse kept over aprons. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing that I was set out to prove

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<v Speaker 2>and the only evidence that you didn't provide. That's it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's all. But what I want you to know,

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<v Speaker 2>is a black man in America who is in politics.

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<v Speaker 2>You must know it's the court of law. You must

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<v Speaker 2>know that. You must know that. You must know that

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot, especially as political leaders, we cannot just blurt

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<v Speaker 2>things out and not back it up with the receipt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's best to say, oh, I'll get back to you,

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<v Speaker 2>or hey, this is my opinion, or set the premise

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<v Speaker 2>up in the beginning, like I did with the post

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<v Speaker 2>when I said I'm not speaking of New York, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of overall. Now, if you chose not to read it,

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<v Speaker 2>if you chose to skip the five print, that's on you,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why we talk about that in course four

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<v Speaker 2>of five, which is legal and compliance. If you chose

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<v Speaker 2>to ignore the rule that I set forth, that's on you.

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<v Speaker 2>But I set the rule very plain and clear that

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<v Speaker 2>I was speaking overall, and y'all took the comments in

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<v Speaker 2>a whole nother direction. But that was on y'all. That

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<v Speaker 2>was not on me. Let's bring Steven Devon to the stage.

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<v Speaker 2>This is recorded as a reminder for straight Shadow Chaser podcasts. Hey, Devin,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for listening, and thank you for holding the

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<v Speaker 2>space of court. Your faith no, I'm recording.

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<v Speaker 1>Speak up.

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<v Speaker 2>Just say what you need to say, honey.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>So on the point about those particulars or whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not he gave an official endorsement Brian Camp over Stacy Abrams,

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<v Speaker 3>you were one hundred and fifty percent correct. He did

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<v Speaker 3>not give an official endorsement to Brian Camp over Stacey eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can see that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's all, And your opinion is valid. Like, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not the first one that I that I heard that

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<v Speaker 2>said they were disappointed in Mike. You're not the first

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<v Speaker 2>one that said more should have been done. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's what compelled him to say, okay, to

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to Stacy's campaign and say come to the

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<v Speaker 2>west side what she never did. By the way, but

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<v Speaker 2>he can argue that point. But I was not in

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<v Speaker 2>any way minimizing your perspective. What I was saying is

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<v Speaker 2>we have to be careful black man of just saying

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<v Speaker 2>things as fact, because I don't want them to do

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<v Speaker 2>that to you. No, and that's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the piece that I wanted to communicate, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is about the broader conversation around progressivism.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>As someone who has contributed to the progressive movement, has

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<v Speaker 3>run as a progressive as knows what it's like to

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<v Speaker 3>receive some of that institutional support from her aggressive organizations

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<v Speaker 3>like Democratic Socialism of America. You know, I when people

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<v Speaker 3>call themselves progressive, and I actually don't even know killing

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<v Speaker 3>my coffee self are progressive. But when people call themselves

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<v Speaker 3>a progressive, I think it's important that we have to

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<v Speaker 3>look at the receipts of progressive behavior. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you know, supporting your right to bear

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<v Speaker 3>arms doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Make you progressive.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe in black people's right to bear arms and

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<v Speaker 3>for self determination.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a key part of that.

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<v Speaker 3>With that being said, you know when Stacey, when you're

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<v Speaker 3>well known in twenty twenty two, you're down and out,

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<v Speaker 3>you're close, you in a tight election, when someone gives

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<v Speaker 3>with a platform like killo Mike gets on a national

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 3>platform and gives credit to your opponent and says nothing

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<v Speaker 3>about you, well, in my mind, as a candidate, I

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<v Speaker 3>know how that's gonna feel. I know how that shows up.

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<v Speaker 3>And this shows up as you are supporting my opponent

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<v Speaker 3>over me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, well I'm well, let's deal with rules. Because again,

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<v Speaker 2>I like rules. I'm not talking about what shows up.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't even have to religate that. I hear what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying, and I agree, But the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 2>he did not support Kemp over Stacy and I just

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the facts. But I want but I hear

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying what shows up because we know that

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<v Speaker 2>p R is a real thing, perception of reality, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a real thing. But we were only debating if he

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<v Speaker 2>endorsed or not. But I want to go back to

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>what you said because this is a really healthy part

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of the of the argument when you said, if somebody's

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 2>not showing up like a progressive, so let let and

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I and I love this and I can't wait to

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 2>unpack this. There is no where is and see again,

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>this is where it goes for the rules. Where is

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 2>the I believe. Let me let me say this. One

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 2>reason why I don't do YouTube is because there's no entry.

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Everybody can do it. Anybody can say they're they're a podcast,

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>or anybody can say they got a show. Anybody can

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 2>say they're a political anybody can say. You know why

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't like that, Devin, is because I don't like

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>anybody can do anything. I actually like very clear rules.

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 2>One reason why I do not support shout out to

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.880
<v Speaker 2>doctor Steve Perry in the building. One reason I don't

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 2>support honorary degrees is because those who don't understand that

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.439
<v Speaker 2>an honorary degree and somebody running around calling themselves doctor

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 2>is not the same thing as doctor Steve Perry. And

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it's one reason why I refuse to get my PhD,

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 2>because I want no confusion between me with a PhD

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>and some comedian that got honorary doctrine. No disrespect, but

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I believe in very clear rules. Let me go further.

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I joked today with my friend Michelle, who said, put

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 2>some respect in her junior ROTC. I said, I will

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 2>not be putting respect on your junior ROTC because you

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.120
<v Speaker 2>are not a veteran and no more than people than

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 2>the Divine nine looks at Capital Sweethearts as a real sorority.

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I will not be looking at you as a soldier.

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 2>With that said, there is no process to determine what

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 2>is a progressive and what is not. Leer me out, Okay,

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>so your opinion on Hey, if you're saying you're a progressive,

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>but you ain't showing a like progressive there's no there

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>has been no process to say. And this is one

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>reason why I don't like political parties, by the way,

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 2>because when you are a Democrat, they actually do want

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 2>you to sign as you know, these are the things

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 2>that you say you support and don't support. There is

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 2>no progressive movement that has progressive candidates that actually have

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>a This is what you need to do to be

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 2>a progressive voter or a progressive candidate. So the bottom

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 2>line moral to the story is anybody can say they

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>whatever the hell they want to say, and you can

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 2>say I disagree, they're not a progressive, and somebody else

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>say where they are prepared. In fact, we saw many

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 2>monerists do this. We saw many monitorists come out and say, well,

0:28:53.880 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm a progressive because I believe in but

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>but guess what. But guess what though he can say

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>it's progressive because progressives have not defined any rules to

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>determine what is and what ain't. See and this applies.

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 2>See I love this type of talk, Devin, because in

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>act to actually be a blood, let's put it to

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the hood so that everybody can know, so that everybody

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 2>can know that the rules apply across the board. On

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 2>any game you want to be a part of, and

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>if you want to be a blood, somebody need to

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>put you on or endorse you. You need to get

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 2>beat up, or you need to fight your way in,

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>or you need to pay your way in. There is

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 2>a process to getting in. So because there's no process

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>to being what a progressive is or ain't, you can say, well,

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.719
<v Speaker 2>she not of progressive, but you don't get to determine

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it because y'all don't have no rules. So until the

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>progressive movement, like I keep telling over and over, y'all

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 2>need to go over, especially black, go over to the

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Green Party and define the rules. That's what I say.

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think a couple.

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 3>I thinks one part of the reason why I feel

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 3>comfortable in calling myself a progressive is because I know

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 3>what it's like to be endorsed by progressive institutions that

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.959
<v Speaker 3>have a standard of like, these are the things, the

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 3>type of policies that you need to support as a candidate.

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>But those are for those institutions. But you're meeting the

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>mark for those institutions. So if McDonald's says, in order

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>to get a McDonald's endorsement, you need to eat three cheeseburgers. Okay,

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 2>I got I met or exceeded what's required for the

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 2>McDonald's endorsement. But that doesn't mean that I get endorsements

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 2>from Wendy's and Burger King and everybody else that makes

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 2>a hamburger. Because in fact, somebody could argue that the

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>organizations that said that you were progressive, there's somebody saying

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that they ain't progressive. There's somebody saying, well, no, they're

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 2>actually socialist.

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 4>You have that going on right now, right gott of

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 4>the Democratic Socialists of America and Working Families parties, that's

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 4>right back or oftentimes about who is more progressive than another.

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>And I love what somebody said in the chat that progressive.

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>A part of it is that progressive isn't mine.

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Your point is be mindsets are subjective, that's right, so

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 3>we're clear.

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>So when we say that, so all I just want

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 2>to know is it fair or not fair? I just

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's fair for anybody to say such and

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 2>such is not a progressive if they're saying they're progressive.

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Now what I think the reframing can be according to

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 2>my standard. I just like words to be clear. If

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 2>you say, according to yeah, yeah, I just like words

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 2>to be clear. And it could even be in the hood.

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I can say, according to my according to what I

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 2>know about being a blood from the nineties in Inglewood,

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 2>such and such rapper do not qualify according to what

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>it means to be a blood. In nineteen ninety when

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Chris Big Blown Chris and his big age became a

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>blood Chris Brown, he actually went and fought the homies

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 2>in in jail for that reason, because he wanted to

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 2>check the box to say I've done, you know, what's

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>required to be considered what we call reputable. And I

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>know many people are saying, why are you using gangs

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>as a example, Well, because politics are gangs, absolutely, and

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 2>it's all tribalism, and gangs actually have more, sometimes more

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 2>organization than so called That's right. You don't, Yeah, you

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 2>don't get to just be a GD in Chicago just

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>wake up one day and say I'm a GD.

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 3>So and I'm saying this, and I think a part

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 3>of it is a couple of things.

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:31.239
<v Speaker 1>One.

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, to some extent, the progressive organizations that do exist,

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 3>maybe with the exception of the Green Party, are relatively

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 3>younger in their conception than the more traditional parties and

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 3>even the fashions that exist within the traditional Democratic Republican Party.

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 3>So I think some of this has just changed, and

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 3>the fact that these are newer institutions that are getting

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 3>their legs and so they should be listening to you,

0:32:55.920 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 3>particularly as somebody who has worked for someone like Burning Standards,

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, who.

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Had this national platform. So I agree with that piece.

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like for me, why I say and I

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>speak from I use I statement why I how I.

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Judge progressivism is oftentimes rounded in the platforms and priorities

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 3>of institutions like the Working Families Party and like the

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Democratic Socialists of America, because.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>There is some standard, there's something on paper there.

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, when I got endorsed that had to sign

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 3>something that said a pledge that I'm going to do

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 3>these things. It collected and so there is somewhat of

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 3>a standard. Do I think that that needs to be

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 3>amplified and increased because you're right, Zoran Will he could

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 3>win in November and it will be a major, you know, benefit.

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 1>To the progressive movement.

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 3>But if he if there is not what you say,

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 3>that standard that people can easily identify and say, this

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.719
<v Speaker 3>is what a progressive is right and hold him accountable right,

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 3>and hold him accountable. And so when I said that

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 3>I didn't consider of my progressive.

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>It was based on what I know.

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 3>I had found, the policy that I had committed myself to,

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 3>and how some of the officials that he has supported

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 3>has either stood in opposition of that.

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Opposed to you.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I got that, And and my only argument is

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>he was not. Because somebody says I supported a program

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 2>you did does not mean that I support you and

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>everything you do and I and it is very important.

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 2>And now I will say that's one thing that progresses

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:30.479
<v Speaker 2>that they do.

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Do that.

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>If I'm going to generalize this all or nothing purist

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>tests and and that's that's very bad. Because I can

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 2>say I support this program you put together, what she

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 2>did with Kemp. That doesn't mean I support everything you

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 2>know you bring to the table, and so and and

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 2>and that. And I like to use relationships as examples

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>because when people hear politicians, they get caught up in that.

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, I can say in my relationship, ninety percent

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 2>of everything you do is on point. You know, if

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I if I rank the things that are most important,

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>if I use ranked voting in my relationship, the things

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 2>that are most important to me you do well. That

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 2>mean that don't mean I like everything you do, but

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>it does mean that I like this.

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 3>He's being married, and my wife tells me about that

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 3>all the times.

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to love everything you do in order

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to support.

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.720
<v Speaker 2>People, right, And it doesn't mean right, and it doesn't

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 2>mean that I don't love you. And so we have

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 2>to have some nuances. That's why nothing's getting done in politics,

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 2>because there's no nuance to say I support this, but

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm not necessarily in favor in this. And so when

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>you say he's supported Kemp, that's where I took issue

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 2>because that, as you said, Howard reads, is I support

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 2>all things Kemp does when that wasn't the case, when

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 2>he would simply talking about one particular thing that he

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>may have agreeved.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 3>That's all the piece set that you're talking about here

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 3>around nuance is something that we get all benefit from

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 3>because I do think that there were some folks who

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 3>took support this program right and the absence of saying

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 3>that I support something that Stacey did right before a

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 3>major election, and there were a lot of black men,

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 3>black voters who were like, oh, he supports Brian camp.

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I had these conversations.

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I was there.

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 3>I saw I think you know to your point, like

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 3>we as progressive need nuanced because I can't stand the

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 3>all or nothing mentality either. Right, there are some pieces,

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 3>there's some progressives who will say, if you're not a

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:48.879
<v Speaker 3>completely an anti capitalist, then you can't be a part

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 3>of this tent.

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, that's not realistic.

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Yet if capitalism was too far, some aspects of capitalism

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 3>is still going to exist in whatever new should be created.

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And let me give a real time example. If you

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.800
<v Speaker 2>don't mind, I'm only saying it because you made it public.

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 2>But I think this is a perfect example. You said,

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 2>since you've been married, the LGBT invites stopped coming. So

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>that's not fair. So everything that you've supported now that

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you're married, now all of a sudden, you see, how

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 2>do they go now all of a sudden? Oh, I

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 2>guess now you can't. You don't wrong with me or

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 2>y'all don't think I support you because I'm doing something

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 2>that maybe not all of y'all do. So that's why

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I like to use relationships as examples. We have to,

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.240
<v Speaker 2>and especially when it comes to black people, I'm particularly

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 2>talking about black people because the bottom line is white people. Yea,

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 2>we talking about black people because white people run the

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 2>progressive movement, the modern movement, the Republican mo they run

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 2>it off. But what black people we must We have

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 2>to show each other some grace when it comes to nuance,

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>because all we know is nuance. All we know is

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 2>do a little bit of this and a little bit

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 2>of that, from cooking, from cooking our food to let

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 2>me put a little bit of lour re seasons all

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>to a little bit of pepper, to a little bit

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 2>of that. No, we know, right, All we know is

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of this and a little bit of that.

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 2>So I just want us in the black political space

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 2>to not be so quick to say, Okay, he was

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 2>against her and he went with the white man, when

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 2>number one, it was not true. However, you can certainly

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 2>say I did not like the way he did not

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 2>speak up for her in that moment. I don't like

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the way he advocated or he did support say what

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 2>he liked about Camp and didn't say what he liked

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 2>about Stacy. You got every right to say that, because

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 2>you know what my answer is to that. Y'all wan't

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>get to tell me what to say and how to

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>say it no time. So that's my answer.

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I've been in the same situation with other people.

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 3>There's times where I'm going to because you know, I'm

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 3>a lobbyist. I've been a candidate for office, and so

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 3>in order for me to get things done in the legislature,

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be times where I have to talk to

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 3>people and lean on my relationships that I have with

0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 3>people who are not of the same political affiliation. If

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.360
<v Speaker 3>you get anything done in the Georgia legislature, there's a

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 3>Republican that you have to talk to.

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>In order to get it done right.

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 3>And so I do think that this all or nothing

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 3>piece is important. The one piece that I do want

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 3>to add is that, well, I know what it's like

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 3>to work with Republicans. I also know being the power

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 3>of my political capital. So, for example, if we are

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 3>in a moment right now with Brian kim On on

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 3>some shit, let's say it's medicaid expansion, We've got some

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 3>Republicans to say, well, we'll support Medica expansion. Because Republicans

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 3>in other states have supported medicaid expansion, We're one of

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 3>the few states that have not, right, and I.

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Just got some hit paths with Brian on some other thing.

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Right right now we're in this big public fight about

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 3>Medicaid expansion.

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to toll the line.

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm not gonna praise Brian hit right now

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 3>because right now.

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 2>We in this.

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.320
<v Speaker 3>I can praise them tomorrow after we sort through this,

0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 3>but right now I can't get that.

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>And and the key word is I. That's you. That's the

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 2>key word. So and so, all I'm saying is.

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Just to use the political capital the way that fit.

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 2>And guess what, you have the right to critique it all.

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 2>All I'm saying, right, all I'm saying is when it

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>comes to us and black people, when you was like,

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.360
<v Speaker 2>oh this this ain't the court of law, that's like, no,

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 2>we gotta go live because I just want us to.

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I want us to think what a legal mind. Seriously,

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I really do, because they're gonna make They're gonna hold

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.360
<v Speaker 2>us to our words more than anybody, you know what

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean. They're gonna hold us to our work.

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 2>And we just we just don't get grace around it,

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that's all. And so we can certainly critique people, we

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 2>can challenge people to be better. We can say you

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 2>should be a better advocate for X, y Z. You

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 2>can this, you can get. What I would say is

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 2>what I would caution people, and they can do what

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:55.959
<v Speaker 2>they want to do. But what I would caution people.

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>What has what has not been working is people trying

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.319
<v Speaker 2>to what I've seen, bully people into saying what they

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>should and better do at all it makes them do. Yeah,

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 2>all it makes them do is say, well, you know what,

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm never gonna do it just because so No, And

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 2>in fact, I.

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Think we have that's another conversation.

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 3>But I do think that part of the reason why

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Trump this is not a new statement, but part of

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 3>the reason why Trump has a certain level of appeal,

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 3>and part of the reason why Zorn has the level

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.879
<v Speaker 3>of appealing in New York is because people appreciate when

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 3>folks stay what's that.

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.879
<v Speaker 1>You agree with, staying on business right.

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 3>And so I do feel like there's a piece of

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 3>that where like, you know, killing my key, he defended himself,

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 3>he explained himself on the view. You know, some people

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 3>felt like that suffice, other people didn't. And that's fine.

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't mean that I also lead from this lens

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 3>that I don't view.

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Black people as disposal.

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.400
<v Speaker 3>So even if I don't agree with you today, it

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.400
<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean that I can't work on some shit with

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 3>you tomorrow on something that I do agree with. And

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 3>I think that we do a disservice to our movement

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 3>and to the work that we have to do as

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 3>black people to get free when we feel like this

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 3>is all or nothing mentality, or because I've called you

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 3>out on something that I didn't like, then that means

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 3>that we can't work together. Kill and Mike want to

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 3>call me right there and work on my god boys,

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:28.240
<v Speaker 3>the dispensary program to get inst in Atlanta, to get

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 3>a dispensary license, a grower's license under the city so

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 3>that young black men can learn how to get in

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 3>the industry. And because of his connections at the state,

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 3>he can make that happen with the city and the state.

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna work with it. I'm gonna advocate. We don't

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>even ever have to talk. He can go on to

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 1>meet with the governor. I'm gonna go to the meetings

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>at city level. I'm gonna get in front of the

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 1>local news.

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna advocate, I'm gonna educate the public, and we're

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 3>gonna get it done. And I think that's where sometimes

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 3>it's political rhetoric. We lose that if we don't name

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 3>from the jump that just because I disagree with you

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 3>and I don't like everything that you did, doesn't mean

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:04.800
<v Speaker 3>that I can't work for it.

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, for sure. And my thing is the reason

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 2>why we lose that is because it becomes accusatory, out

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the jibt and that, and that's all. That's all.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that that's the reason because also the

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 3>other thing is, while I feel the way that I

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 3>feel about how killing Mike used or dedn't used his

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 3>political capital in twenty twenty two, ultimately.

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Stacy Abrams was the one who was responsible to win

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 1>that race. No killing Mike, you know what I'm saying. Right, So,

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 1>like his endorsement wasn't necessarily gonna it might have made

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 1>a break yet, I don't know.

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 3>But ultimately it was her responsibility to win that race,

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and her consultancs and the people who worked on the

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 3>campaign and all the folks who.

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Donated to yeah, the white folks that the white folks

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.319
<v Speaker 2>that was in charge, by the way, And that's all

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, you.

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Know that, But a lot of the folks probably listening,

0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and they don't know that so many of these candidates,

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 1>including people that we like or.

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Not, right, all of them, yeah, all of them. We

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 2>don't We don't have to say so many of them,

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 2>all of them. Yes, that's it, And that's my only

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 2>point that that was my only point of the original post.

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 2>That people win. In another direction is that it's not

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:18.840
<v Speaker 2>about because when I respond to you about you know,

0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 2>older voters, younger voters, No, what I'm saying, they don't

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.040
<v Speaker 2>spend the money on young old in the middle bottom

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.720
<v Speaker 2>line like they the money just need Yeah, the money

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 2>need to get spent. Yeah, the money need to get spent.

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Don't need to been spent last minute, and need to

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:36.839
<v Speaker 2>spend year round, right, year around. That was my only point.

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.839
<v Speaker 2>And then my only point was he did not endorse Kemp.

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 2>But your your thoughts are valid. What you text me,

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not taking away from your perspective. Again, I've invited

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 2>you to revote several times, so I know what it is. No,

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 2>but I do know, But I want to say this publicly. No,

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 2>but I want to say this publicly because it's very important.

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Like when somebody like when you like don't diminish what

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, because I'm like, no, I want to be clear.

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.280
<v Speaker 2>If I diminished, I never do that, Like I before

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 2>you got on, I was saying, I'm not that type

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 2>of person. Marcelle's is my co host, no radio experience.

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I met him from the comments. I don't diminish anybody's voice.

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 2>If I diminish your voice, you would have never been

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 2>invited on my show. So I'm not diminishing anybody. What

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying is we're speaking from different lenses and it

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 2>it's important that we just hear each other out, want

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 2>to hear you know, like what where we're coming from,

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>what point we're trying to make. And then my overall

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 2>point was no, we gotta always back our stuff up

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:31.800
<v Speaker 2>with evidence. And I'm just saying that just in general,

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.359
<v Speaker 2>because they will hold us to everything we say. That's all,

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 2>and I just want that to be.

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 3>Not that I'm getting in trouble. But you know, if

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:42.839
<v Speaker 3>you elected Christian be a legal counsel and retainer.

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Better believe it. You better believe I want my money

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 2>up front.

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 3>But but no, and so I'm gonna pay you on

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 3>time because I definitely don't want you looking for me

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 3>because I know you're right.

0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true, that's true. But thank you for the

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:03.760
<v Speaker 2>conversation that I appreciate you. Send love to your wife,

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 2>your beautiful baby, your family. Thank you for having the conversation.

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.640
<v Speaker 2>This is why the training is so important. I saw

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 2>you win and looked at the free preview two guys.

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 2>But those of you come to the training. Yeah, come

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 2>to the training, guys, because we have got to understand

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>how to organize. And that was the whole point of

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.840
<v Speaker 2>this tonight's episode. I want people to know there's a

0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 2>dollar associated Michelle is actually here in the comments. She

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>joined and I used her as an example. When she

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 2>ran for office in sixty days, she still had to

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 2>spend five hundred dollars on flyers and a lot of

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 2>people that I don't understand. There's a cost associated with that.

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 2>It's not just you know, each one teach one. No,

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 2>we actually have to spend money with flyers, knocking on doors, donuts, sandwiches.

0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 2>There's money for outreach, and black people are always left

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:53.040
<v Speaker 2>holding the bag with these multimillion dollar races. And so

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I was just saying, I'm not surprised that he did well,

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.799
<v Speaker 2>and I just don't want it to always be the quick. Well,

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 2>it's the black older voters. They just don't know. No,

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>let's look at these campaign finance support and see how

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.720
<v Speaker 2>much money they spent in to organize black young voters.

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 2>They'll give you the answer. That'll give you the answer.

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. And you know, I love Anthelis, I love.

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Being educated, and so it's nothing for me to come

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 3>to the training. Y'all need to come to the training.

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Listen. I've done Congressional Black Confice training.

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:25.400
<v Speaker 3>That's great. Don venturin to training, great, all of the things.

0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 3>I can even facilitate training. It doesn't matter what your

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 3>experience level is. You always need to increase your knowledge

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:33.000
<v Speaker 3>and your skill set.

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Look, while you're learning from tense, you's gonna be learning

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:36.800
<v Speaker 1>from people in these in these courts.

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, con with and so it's also a networking opportunity.

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So like get get get plugged in, gime plugged in,

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:45.480
<v Speaker 1>yunk so much.

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>All right, I appreciation to Devin, love you too, Okay,

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:53.040
<v Speaker 2>all right, peace, Well guys, that was a great, great impromptu.

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Uh we see Michelle's also joined us as well. I

0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 2>was just talking about Michelle earlier when I was talking

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>about out again, Guys, organizing actually costs money. It's not

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 2>some each one teach one and we just need to

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 2>talk about it more. No, even if you want to

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:14.280
<v Speaker 2>organize people in the comments, it costs time to organize time.

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 2>It costs to get phone banking to get people on

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the same page. Michelle, who's in the comments, real life candidate,

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 2>had to do this in sixty days. I was on

0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.439
<v Speaker 2>her head for sixty days. She did it out her

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 2>own pocket. Guys.

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:28.959
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 2>So when I tell y'all that they are not spending

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:35.720
<v Speaker 2>money on black candidates, I mean that I'm gonna stand

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 2>by that. I asked Michelle before, how much are you

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 2>willing to spend on this? Because Michelle, I will tell

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>y'all in real time. This way, y'all need to come

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 2>to the training. Michelle's actually one of my trainers. By

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the way, they all star marce ellis with, well, how

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 2>much do you plan on running? Oh, I'm gonna run

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.839
<v Speaker 2>and raised about ten fifteen thousand. Bet okay, Now, how

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 2>much you're gonna spend your own money? Because you know

0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 2>what I knew. The reality is the reality is if

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 2>you get on with only sixty days to win, whatever

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:04.799
<v Speaker 2>she thought she was gonna get didn't get. God, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they don't tell y'all in these trainings. Oh yeah,

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 2>all you gotta do is call this one and raised it. No,

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<v Speaker 2>the reality is, Michelle, how much are you winning to

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<v Speaker 2>spend out your own pocket? That's what I asked my

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<v Speaker 2>candidates right out the gate. That's great, if you go

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<v Speaker 2>get that money, go get it, raised it, great, But

0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 2>how much you gonna put on it? Cause we need

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<v Speaker 2>to know what the backup plan is. And if the

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<v Speaker 2>backup plan is Marcella's ain't got none on it, then hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to figure out something else because I need

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 2>to know what you got on it, because you know

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<v Speaker 2>what it came down to, Marcello's what Michelle had on it.

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Printing out her own brochures, taking them the kink oles

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<v Speaker 2>and printing them out for a dollar to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>them doors got flyed. That's the reality of running. And

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<v Speaker 2>so many candidates have done that on their own with

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<v Speaker 2>their own money, and they've organized black voters to believe

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<v Speaker 2>in their candidacy on the local level, and then these

0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:58.879
<v Speaker 2>major campaigns come in, These major candidates come in, call

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<v Speaker 2>the Michelle and say, hey, mis why don't you help

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<v Speaker 2>get them, you know, them thousand people you got to

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<v Speaker 2>come to the polls. Why don't you come help them,

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:07.800
<v Speaker 2>get us to the polls and come take a picture

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<v Speaker 2>with us. And they leave Michelle in the west spot.

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<v Speaker 2>They leave her to continue to organize on her own,

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:17.279
<v Speaker 2>out her own pocket, and then y'all sit around in

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<v Speaker 2>the college and say, just do it because it needs

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 2>to be done, do it because it's a laborer love. Meanwhile,

0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Michelle had to pay brothers and cousins and pay for

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:30.959
<v Speaker 2>donuts and food out her pocket. This is the real

0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:34.960
<v Speaker 2>deal that what local candidates go through, and racists that

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<v Speaker 2>are nationalized that bring in millions and millions and millions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars to help these people that y'all be sitting

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<v Speaker 2>up here defending don't spend a dollar on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to local candidates like her who can

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<v Speaker 2>help bring an extra thousand people to the polls. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how it works. That's how it works, guys. And they

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 2>don't tell you that because they want you so called

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<v Speaker 2>up in the Trump and Obama and michell of it all,

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 2>that they just completely don't tell you how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're running for city council, State Rep. Like Devon

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:14.320
<v Speaker 2>ran for city council. So Devin, she'll be able to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I can get two thousand people to show up x

0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:19.239
<v Speaker 2>y Z right now, but you got to pay to

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<v Speaker 2>get that done. Not him getting paid to Greece's palm

0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:25.080
<v Speaker 2>and not like that, just literally paid, you know, like

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 2>literally the sandwiches, the donuts, the juice, paying people for

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:32.799
<v Speaker 2>their time. No, they want us to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when we don't show up the way they want

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<v Speaker 2>us to, well, you know that's the problem. Black people

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<v Speaker 2>don't show up. No, they don't show the money. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sick of that being on us. All Right, guys,

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