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Speaker 2: I thought this was a great opportunity to do a

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Speaker 2: not to embarrass Devin or anything like that. I know

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Speaker 2: Marcella's and why the training is critically important, especially for

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Speaker 2: candidates who are running for office like Devon, who has

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Speaker 2: a moment. We were talking about progressive candidates not spending

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Speaker 2: for those of you who are new to me, new

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Speaker 2: I am not in love with these candidates the way

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Speaker 2: I will definitely be fair, but I will always and

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Speaker 2: ask where is the bag when it comes to black outreach.

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Speaker 2: That goes for black progressives, that goes for black moderates,

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Speaker 1: Martina? Who miss Meg? The dreads.

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Speaker 2: I like you like to call is stuffing. I know,

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Speaker 2: Mathew like to call the stuffing the stuffing party. I

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Speaker 2: me in the comments. Cheslem Figuaro, don't give a damn

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Speaker 2: what you represent, blood souewoop business, crip what upcuz pi

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Speaker 2: Always. It's no shade against y'all, whoever youall favorite candidate

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Speaker 2: Well every time. So when I made the statement, the

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Speaker 2: Whoever can get the fade. It's always a fade available,

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Speaker 2: and it goes to the candidates first, never to the voter.

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm not talking about New York politics. I'm

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Speaker 2: And that's why y'all need to come to the training.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I was confused on what he's even

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Speaker 2: that's making prain sense to you, the flyers don't disappear Marcella's.

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Speaker 2: It means I'm telling you I was in the room.

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Speaker 2: Let's deal with the issue at hand. Welcome to class.

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Speaker 2: Somebody put a five in the chat if you're in

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Speaker 2: class this evening. So my perspective on saying with the

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Speaker 1: Make you progressive.

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Speaker 3: I believe in black people's right to bear arms and

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Speaker 3: for self determination.

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Speaker 1: That's a key part of that.

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Speaker 3: With that being said, you know when Stacey, when you're

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Speaker 3: well known in twenty twenty two, you're down and out,

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Speaker 3: you're close, you in a tight election, when someone gives

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Speaker 3: with a platform like killo Mike gets on a national

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Speaker 3: platform and gives credit to your opponent and says nothing

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Speaker 3: about you, well, in my mind, as a candidate, I

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Speaker 3: know how that's gonna feel. I know how that shows up.

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Speaker 3: And this shows up as you are supporting my opponent

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Speaker 3: over me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, well I'm well, let's deal with rules. Because again,

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Speaker 2: I like rules. I'm not talking about what shows up.

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Speaker 2: We don't even have to religate that. I hear what

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Speaker 2: you're saying, and I agree, But the bottom line is

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Speaker 2: he did not support Kemp over Stacy and I just

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Speaker 2: deal with the facts. But I want but I hear

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Speaker 2: what you're saying what shows up because we know that

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Speaker 2: p R is a real thing, perception of reality, it's

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Speaker 2: a real thing. But we were only debating if he

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Speaker 2: endorsed or not. But I want to go back to

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Speaker 2: what you said because this is a really healthy part

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Speaker 2: of the of the argument when you said, if somebody's

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Speaker 2: not showing up like a progressive, so let let and

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Speaker 2: I and I love this and I can't wait to

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Speaker 2: unpack this. There is no where is and see again,

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Speaker 2: this is where it goes for the rules. Where is

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Speaker 2: the I believe. Let me let me say this. One

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Speaker 2: reason why I don't do YouTube is because there's no entry.

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Speaker 2: Everybody can do it. Anybody can say they're they're a podcast,

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Speaker 2: or anybody can say they got a show. Anybody can

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Speaker 2: say they're a political anybody can say. You know why

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Speaker 2: I don't like that, Devin, is because I don't like

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Speaker 2: anybody can do anything. I actually like very clear rules.

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Speaker 2: One reason why I do not support shout out to

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Speaker 2: doctor Steve Perry in the building. One reason I don't

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Speaker 2: support honorary degrees is because those who don't understand that

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Speaker 2: an honorary degree and somebody running around calling themselves doctor

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Speaker 2: is not the same thing as doctor Steve Perry. And

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Speaker 2: it's one reason why I refuse to get my PhD,

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Speaker 2: because I want no confusion between me with a PhD

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Speaker 2: and some comedian that got honorary doctrine. No disrespect, but

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Speaker 2: I believe in very clear rules. Let me go further.

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Speaker 2: I joked today with my friend Michelle, who said, put

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Speaker 2: some respect in her junior ROTC. I said, I will

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Speaker 2: not be putting respect on your junior ROTC because you

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Speaker 2: are not a veteran and no more than people than

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Speaker 2: the Divine nine looks at Capital Sweethearts as a real sorority.

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Speaker 2: I will not be looking at you as a soldier.

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Speaker 2: With that said, there is no process to determine what

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Speaker 2: is a progressive and what is not. Leer me out, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so your opinion on Hey, if you're saying you're a progressive,

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Speaker 2: but you ain't showing a like progressive there's no there

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Speaker 2: has been no process to say. And this is one

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Speaker 2: reason why I don't like political parties, by the way,

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Speaker 2: because when you are a Democrat, they actually do want

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Speaker 2: you to sign as you know, these are the things

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Speaker 2: that you say you support and don't support. There is

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Speaker 2: no progressive movement that has progressive candidates that actually have

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Speaker 2: a This is what you need to do to be

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Speaker 2: a progressive voter or a progressive candidate. So the bottom

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Speaker 2: line moral to the story is anybody can say they

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Speaker 2: whatever the hell they want to say, and you can

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Speaker 2: say I disagree, they're not a progressive, and somebody else

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Speaker 2: say where they are prepared. In fact, we saw many

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Speaker 2: monerists do this. We saw many monitorists come out and say, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm a progressive because I believe in but

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Speaker 2: but guess what. But guess what though he can say

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Speaker 2: it's progressive because progressives have not defined any rules to

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Speaker 2: determine what is and what ain't. See and this applies.

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Speaker 2: See I love this type of talk, Devin, because in

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Speaker 2: act to actually be a blood, let's put it to

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Speaker 2: the hood so that everybody can know, so that everybody

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Speaker 2: can know that the rules apply across the board. On

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Speaker 2: any game you want to be a part of, and

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Speaker 2: if you want to be a blood, somebody need to

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Speaker 2: put you on or endorse you. You need to get

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Speaker 2: beat up, or you need to fight your way in,

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Speaker 2: or you need to pay your way in. There is

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Speaker 2: a process to getting in. So because there's no process

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Speaker 2: to being what a progressive is or ain't, you can say, well,

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Speaker 2: she not of progressive, but you don't get to determine

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Speaker 2: it because y'all don't have no rules. So until the

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Speaker 2: progressive movement, like I keep telling over and over, y'all

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Speaker 2: need to go over, especially black, go over to the

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Speaker 2: Green Party and define the rules. That's what I say.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think a couple.

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Speaker 3: I thinks one part of the reason why I feel

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Speaker 3: comfortable in calling myself a progressive is because I know

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Speaker 3: what it's like to be endorsed by progressive institutions that

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Speaker 3: have a standard of like, these are the things, the

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Speaker 3: type of policies that you need to support as a candidate.

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Speaker 2: But those are for those institutions. But you're meeting the

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Speaker 2: mark for those institutions. So if McDonald's says, in order

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Speaker 2: to get a McDonald's endorsement, you need to eat three cheeseburgers. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I got I met or exceeded what's required for the

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Speaker 2: McDonald's endorsement. But that doesn't mean that I get endorsements

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Speaker 2: from Wendy's and Burger King and everybody else that makes

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Speaker 2: a hamburger. Because in fact, somebody could argue that the

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Speaker 2: organizations that said that you were progressive, there's somebody saying

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Speaker 2: that they ain't progressive. There's somebody saying, well, no, they're

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Speaker 2: actually socialist.

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Speaker 4: You have that going on right now, right gott of

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Speaker 4: the Democratic Socialists of America and Working Families parties, that's

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Speaker 4: right back or oftentimes about who is more progressive than another.

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Speaker 1: And I love what somebody said in the chat that progressive.

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Speaker 1: A part of it is that progressive isn't mine.

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Speaker 3: Your point is be mindsets are subjective, that's right, so

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Speaker 3: we're clear.

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Speaker 2: So when we say that, so all I just want

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Speaker 2: to know is it fair or not fair? I just

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Speaker 2: don't think it's fair for anybody to say such and

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Speaker 2: such is not a progressive if they're saying they're progressive.

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Speaker 2: Now what I think the reframing can be according to

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Speaker 2: my standard. I just like words to be clear. If

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Speaker 2: you say, according to yeah, yeah, I just like words

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Speaker 2: to be clear. And it could even be in the hood.

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Speaker 2: I can say, according to my according to what I

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Speaker 2: know about being a blood from the nineties in Inglewood,

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Speaker 2: such and such rapper do not qualify according to what

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Speaker 2: it means to be a blood. In nineteen ninety when

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Speaker 2: Chris Big Blown Chris and his big age became a

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Speaker 2: blood Chris Brown, he actually went and fought the homies

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Speaker 2: in in jail for that reason, because he wanted to

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Speaker 2: check the box to say I've done, you know, what's

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Speaker 2: required to be considered what we call reputable. And I

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Speaker 2: know many people are saying, why are you using gangs

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Speaker 2: as a example, Well, because politics are gangs, absolutely, and

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Speaker 2: it's all tribalism, and gangs actually have more, sometimes more

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Speaker 2: organization than so called That's right. You don't, Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: don't get to just be a GD in Chicago just

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Speaker 2: wake up one day and say I'm a GD.

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Speaker 3: So and I'm saying this, and I think a part

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Speaker 3: of it is a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: One.

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Speaker 3: You know, to some extent, the progressive organizations that do exist,

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Speaker 3: maybe with the exception of the Green Party, are relatively

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Speaker 3: younger in their conception than the more traditional parties and

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Speaker 3: even the fashions that exist within the traditional Democratic Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: So I think some of this has just changed, and

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Speaker 3: the fact that these are newer institutions that are getting

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Speaker 3: their legs and so they should be listening to you,

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Speaker 3: particularly as somebody who has worked for someone like Burning Standards,

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Speaker 3: you know, who.

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Speaker 1: Had this national platform. So I agree with that piece.

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Speaker 1: I feel like for me, why I say and I

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Speaker 1: speak from I use I statement why I how I.

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Speaker 3: Judge progressivism is oftentimes rounded in the platforms and priorities

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Speaker 3: of institutions like the Working Families Party and like the

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Speaker 3: Democratic Socialists of America, because.

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Speaker 1: There is some standard, there's something on paper there.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I got endorsed that had to sign

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Speaker 3: something that said a pledge that I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: these things. It collected and so there is somewhat of

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Speaker 3: a standard. Do I think that that needs to be

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Speaker 3: amplified and increased because you're right, Zoran Will he could

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Speaker 3: win in November and it will be a major, you know, benefit.

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Speaker 1: To the progressive movement.

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Speaker 3: But if he if there is not what you say,

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Speaker 3: that standard that people can easily identify and say, this

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Speaker 3: is what a progressive is right and hold him accountable right,

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Speaker 3: and hold him accountable. And so when I said that

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Speaker 3: I didn't consider of my progressive.

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Speaker 1: It was based on what I know.

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Speaker 3: I had found, the policy that I had committed myself to,

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Speaker 3: and how some of the officials that he has supported

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Speaker 3: has either stood in opposition of that.

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Speaker 1: Opposed to you.

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Speaker 2: No, I got that, And and my only argument is

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Speaker 2: he was not. Because somebody says I supported a program

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Speaker 2: you did does not mean that I support you and

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Speaker 2: everything you do and I and it is very important.

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Speaker 2: And now I will say that's one thing that progresses

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Speaker 2: that they do.

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Speaker 1: Do that.

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Speaker 2: If I'm going to generalize this all or nothing purist

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Speaker 2: tests and and that's that's very bad. Because I can

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Speaker 2: say I support this program you put together, what she

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Speaker 2: did with Kemp. That doesn't mean I support everything you

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Speaker 2: know you bring to the table, and so and and

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Speaker 2: and that. And I like to use relationships as examples

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Speaker 2: because when people hear politicians, they get caught up in that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can say in my relationship, ninety percent

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Speaker 2: of everything you do is on point. You know, if

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Speaker 2: I if I rank the things that are most important,

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Speaker 2: if I use ranked voting in my relationship, the things

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Speaker 2: that are most important to me you do well. That

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Speaker 2: mean that don't mean I like everything you do, but

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Speaker 2: it does mean that I like this.

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Speaker 3: He's being married, and my wife tells me about that

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Speaker 3: all the times.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to love everything you do in order

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Speaker 1: to support.

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Speaker 2: People, right, And it doesn't mean right, and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that I don't love you. And so we have

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Speaker 2: to have some nuances. That's why nothing's getting done in politics,

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Speaker 2: because there's no nuance to say I support this, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily in favor in this. And so when

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Speaker 2: you say he's supported Kemp, that's where I took issue

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Speaker 2: because that, as you said, Howard reads, is I support

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Speaker 2: all things Kemp does when that wasn't the case, when

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Speaker 2: he would simply talking about one particular thing that he

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Speaker 2: may have agreeved.

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Speaker 3: That's all the piece set that you're talking about here

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Speaker 3: around nuance is something that we get all benefit from

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Speaker 3: because I do think that there were some folks who

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Speaker 3: took support this program right and the absence of saying

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Speaker 3: that I support something that Stacey did right before a

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Speaker 3: major election, and there were a lot of black men,

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Speaker 3: black voters who were like, oh, he supports Brian camp.

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Speaker 1: I had these conversations.

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Speaker 2: I was there.

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Speaker 3: I saw I think you know to your point, like

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Speaker 3: we as progressive need nuanced because I can't stand the

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Speaker 3: all or nothing mentality either. Right, there are some pieces,

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Speaker 3: there's some progressives who will say, if you're not a

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Speaker 3: completely an anti capitalist, then you can't be a part

647
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Speaker 3: of this tent.

648
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's not realistic.

649
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: Yet if capitalism was too far, some aspects of capitalism

650
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 3: is still going to exist in whatever new should be created.

651
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: And let me give a real time example. If you

652
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: don't mind, I'm only saying it because you made it public.

653
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: But I think this is a perfect example. You said,

654
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: since you've been married, the LGBT invites stopped coming. So

655
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: that's not fair. So everything that you've supported now that

656
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: you're married, now all of a sudden, you see, how

657
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: do they go now all of a sudden? Oh, I

658
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: guess now you can't. You don't wrong with me or

659
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: y'all don't think I support you because I'm doing something

660
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: that maybe not all of y'all do. So that's why

661
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: I like to use relationships as examples. We have to,

662
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 2: and especially when it comes to black people, I'm particularly

663
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: talking about black people because the bottom line is white people. Yea,

664
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: we talking about black people because white people run the

665
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: progressive movement, the modern movement, the Republican mo they run

666
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: it off. But what black people we must We have

667
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: to show each other some grace when it comes to nuance,

668
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: because all we know is nuance. All we know is

669
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: do a little bit of this and a little bit

670
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: of that, from cooking, from cooking our food to let

671
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: me put a little bit of lour re seasons all

672
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: to a little bit of pepper, to a little bit

673
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: of that. No, we know, right, All we know is

674
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of this and a little bit of that.

675
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: So I just want us in the black political space

676
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: to not be so quick to say, Okay, he was

677
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: against her and he went with the white man, when

678
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: number one, it was not true. However, you can certainly

679
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: say I did not like the way he did not

680
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: speak up for her in that moment. I don't like

681
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: the way he advocated or he did support say what

682
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: he liked about Camp and didn't say what he liked

683
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: about Stacy. You got every right to say that, because

684
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: you know what my answer is to that. Y'all wan't

685
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: get to tell me what to say and how to

686
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: say it no time. So that's my answer.

687
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: I've been in the same situation with other people.

688
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: There's times where I'm going to because you know, I'm

689
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: a lobbyist. I've been a candidate for office, and so

690
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: in order for me to get things done in the legislature,

691
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: there's gonna be times where I have to talk to

692
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: people and lean on my relationships that I have with

693
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: people who are not of the same political affiliation. If

694
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: you get anything done in the Georgia legislature, there's a

695
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: Republican that you have to talk to.

696
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: In order to get it done right.

697
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: And so I do think that this all or nothing

698
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: piece is important. The one piece that I do want

699
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: to add is that, well, I know what it's like

700
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: to work with Republicans. I also know being the power

701
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: of my political capital. So, for example, if we are

702
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: in a moment right now with Brian kim On on

703
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: some shit, let's say it's medicaid expansion, We've got some

704
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: Republicans to say, well, we'll support Medica expansion. Because Republicans

705
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: in other states have supported medicaid expansion, We're one of

706
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 3: the few states that have not, right, and I.

707
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: Just got some hit paths with Brian on some other thing.

708
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: Right right now we're in this big public fight about

709
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: Medicaid expansion.

710
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to toll the line.

711
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not gonna praise Brian hit right now

712
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: because right now.

713
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: We in this.

714
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 3: I can praise them tomorrow after we sort through this,

715
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: but right now I can't get that.

716
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: And and the key word is I. That's you. That's the

717
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: key word. So and so, all I'm saying is.

718
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: Just to use the political capital the way that fit.

719
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: And guess what, you have the right to critique it all.

720
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: All I'm saying, right, all I'm saying is when it

721
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: comes to us and black people, when you was like,

722
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: oh this this ain't the court of law, that's like, no,

723
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: we gotta go live because I just want us to.

724
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: I want us to think what a legal mind. Seriously,

725
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: I really do, because they're gonna make They're gonna hold

726
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: us to our words more than anybody, you know what

727
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean. They're gonna hold us to our work.

728
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: That's it.

729
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: And we just we just don't get grace around it,

730
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: that's all. And so we can certainly critique people, we

731
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: can challenge people to be better. We can say you

732
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: should be a better advocate for X, y Z. You

733
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: can this, you can get. What I would say is

734
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: what I would caution people, and they can do what

735
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 2: they want to do. But what I would caution people.

736
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: What has what has not been working is people trying

737
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: to what I've seen, bully people into saying what they

738
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: should and better do at all it makes them do. Yeah,

739
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: all it makes them do is say, well, you know what,

740
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna do it just because so No, And

741
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: in fact, I.

742
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: Think we have that's another conversation.

743
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: But I do think that part of the reason why

744
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: Trump this is not a new statement, but part of

745
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: the reason why Trump has a certain level of appeal,

746
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: and part of the reason why Zorn has the level

747
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 3: of appealing in New York is because people appreciate when

748
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: folks stay what's that.

749
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: You agree with, staying on business right.

750
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: And so I do feel like there's a piece of

751
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: that where like, you know, killing my key, he defended himself,

752
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: he explained himself on the view. You know, some people

753
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: felt like that suffice, other people didn't. And that's fine.

754
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that I also lead from this lens

755
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 3: that I don't view.

756
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: Black people as disposal.

757
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: So even if I don't agree with you today, it

758
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I can't work on some shit with

759
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: you tomorrow on something that I do agree with. And

760
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: I think that we do a disservice to our movement

761
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: and to the work that we have to do as

762
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: black people to get free when we feel like this

763
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: is all or nothing mentality, or because I've called you

764
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: out on something that I didn't like, then that means

765
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: that we can't work together. Kill and Mike want to

766
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: call me right there and work on my god boys,

767
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: the dispensary program to get inst in Atlanta, to get

768
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: a dispensary license, a grower's license under the city so

769
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: that young black men can learn how to get in

770
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: the industry. And because of his connections at the state,

771
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: he can make that happen with the city and the state.

772
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work with it. I'm gonna advocate. We don't

773
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: even ever have to talk. He can go on to

774
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: meet with the governor. I'm gonna go to the meetings

775
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: at city level. I'm gonna get in front of the

776
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: local news.

777
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna advocate, I'm gonna educate the public, and we're

778
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: gonna get it done. And I think that's where sometimes

779
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: it's political rhetoric. We lose that if we don't name

780
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: from the jump that just because I disagree with you

781
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: and I don't like everything that you did, doesn't mean

782
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 3: that I can't work for it.

783
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. And my thing is the reason

784
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: why we lose that is because it becomes accusatory, out

785
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: the jibt and that, and that's all. That's all.

786
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's the reason because also the

787
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: other thing is, while I feel the way that I

788
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: feel about how killing Mike used or dedn't used his

789
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: political capital in twenty twenty two, ultimately.

790
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams was the one who was responsible to win

791
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: that race. No killing Mike, you know what I'm saying. Right, So,

792
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: like his endorsement wasn't necessarily gonna it might have made

793
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: a break yet, I don't know.

794
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: But ultimately it was her responsibility to win that race,

795
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: and her consultancs and the people who worked on the

796
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: campaign and all the folks who.

797
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: Donated to yeah, the white folks that the white folks

798
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: that was in charge, by the way, And that's all

799
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you.

800
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: Know that, But a lot of the folks probably listening,

801
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: and they don't know that so many of these candidates,

802
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: including people that we like or.

803
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: Not, right, all of them, yeah, all of them. We

804
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: don't We don't have to say so many of them,

805
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: all of them. Yes, that's it, And that's my only

806
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: point that that was my only point of the original post.

807
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: That people win. In another direction is that it's not

808
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: about because when I respond to you about you know,

809
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: older voters, younger voters, No, what I'm saying, they don't

810
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: spend the money on young old in the middle bottom

811
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 2: line like they the money just need Yeah, the money

812
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: need to get spent. Yeah, the money need to get spent.

813
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: Don't need to been spent last minute, and need to

814
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: spend year round, right, year around. That was my only point.

815
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: And then my only point was he did not endorse Kemp.

816
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: But your your thoughts are valid. What you text me,

817
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm not taking away from your perspective. Again, I've invited

818
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: you to revote several times, so I know what it is. No,

819
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: but I do know, But I want to say this publicly. No,

820
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: but I want to say this publicly because it's very important.

821
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: Like when somebody like when you like don't diminish what

822
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, because I'm like, no, I want to be clear.

823
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: If I diminished, I never do that, Like I before

824
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: you got on, I was saying, I'm not that type

825
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: of person. Marcelle's is my co host, no radio experience.

826
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: I met him from the comments. I don't diminish anybody's voice.

827
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: If I diminish your voice, you would have never been

828
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: invited on my show. So I'm not diminishing anybody. What

829
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying is we're speaking from different lenses and it

830
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: it's important that we just hear each other out, want

831
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: to hear you know, like what where we're coming from,

832
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: what point we're trying to make. And then my overall

833
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: point was no, we gotta always back our stuff up

834
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: with evidence. And I'm just saying that just in general,

835
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: because they will hold us to everything we say. That's all,

836
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: and I just want that to be.

837
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: Not that I'm getting in trouble. But you know, if

838
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 3: you elected Christian be a legal counsel and retainer.

839
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: Better believe it. You better believe I want my money

840
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: up front.

841
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: But but no, and so I'm gonna pay you on

842
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: time because I definitely don't want you looking for me

843
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: because I know you're right.

844
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true. But thank you for the

845
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 2: conversation that I appreciate you. Send love to your wife,

846
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: your beautiful baby, your family. Thank you for having the conversation.

847
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: This is why the training is so important. I saw

848
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: you win and looked at the free preview two guys.

849
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: But those of you come to the training. Yeah, come

850
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: to the training, guys, because we have got to understand

851
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: how to organize. And that was the whole point of

852
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: this tonight's episode. I want people to know there's a

853
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: dollar associated Michelle is actually here in the comments. She

854
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: joined and I used her as an example. When she

855
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: ran for office in sixty days, she still had to

856
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: spend five hundred dollars on flyers and a lot of

857
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: people that I don't understand. There's a cost associated with that.

858
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: It's not just you know, each one teach one. No,

859
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: we actually have to spend money with flyers, knocking on doors, donuts, sandwiches.

860
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: There's money for outreach, and black people are always left

861
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Speaker 2: holding the bag with these multimillion dollar races. And so

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Speaker 2: I was just saying, I'm not surprised that he did well,

863
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: and I just don't want it to always be the quick. Well,

864
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: it's the black older voters. They just don't know. No,

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Speaker 2: let's look at these campaign finance support and see how

866
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Speaker 2: much money they spent in to organize black young voters.

867
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Speaker 2: They'll give you the answer. That'll give you the answer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And you know, I love Anthelis, I love.

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00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: Being educated, and so it's nothing for me to come

870
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: to the training. Y'all need to come to the training.

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00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: Listen. I've done Congressional Black Confice training.

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00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: That's great. Don venturin to training, great, all of the things.

873
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: I can even facilitate training. It doesn't matter what your

874
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: experience level is. You always need to increase your knowledge

875
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: and your skill set.

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00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: Look, while you're learning from tense, you's gonna be learning

877
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: from people in these in these courts.

878
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, con with and so it's also a networking opportunity.

879
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: So like get get get plugged in, gime plugged in,

880
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: yunk so much.

881
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: All right, I appreciation to Devin, love you too, Okay,

882
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: all right, peace, Well guys, that was a great, great impromptu.

883
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: Uh we see Michelle's also joined us as well. I

884
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: was just talking about Michelle earlier when I was talking

885
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: about out again, Guys, organizing actually costs money. It's not

886
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: some each one teach one and we just need to

887
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: talk about it more. No, even if you want to

888
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 2: organize people in the comments, it costs time to organize time.

889
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: It costs to get phone banking to get people on

890
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: the same page. Michelle, who's in the comments, real life candidate,

891
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: had to do this in sixty days. I was on

892
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 2: her head for sixty days. She did it out her

893
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: own pocket. Guys.

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00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 1: Yep.

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00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: So when I tell y'all that they are not spending

896
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 2: money on black candidates, I mean that I'm gonna stand

897
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: by that. I asked Michelle before, how much are you

898
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: willing to spend on this? Because Michelle, I will tell

899
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: y'all in real time. This way, y'all need to come

900
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: to the training. Michelle's actually one of my trainers. By

901
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: the way, they all star marce ellis with, well, how

902
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: much do you plan on running? Oh, I'm gonna run

903
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: and raised about ten fifteen thousand. Bet okay, Now, how

904
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: much you're gonna spend your own money? Because you know

905
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: what I knew. The reality is the reality is if

906
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: you get on with only sixty days to win, whatever

907
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: she thought she was gonna get didn't get. God, that's

908
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: what they don't tell y'all in these trainings. Oh yeah,

909
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: all you gotta do is call this one and raised it. No,

910
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: the reality is, Michelle, how much are you winning to

911
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: spend out your own pocket? That's what I asked my

912
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: candidates right out the gate. That's great, if you go

913
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: get that money, go get it, raised it, great, But

914
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: how much you gonna put on it? Cause we need

915
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: to know what the backup plan is. And if the

916
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: backup plan is Marcella's ain't got none on it, then hey,

917
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: we need to figure out something else because I need

918
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: to know what you got on it, because you know

919
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: what it came down to, Marcello's what Michelle had on it.

920
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: Printing out her own brochures, taking them the kink oles

921
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: and printing them out for a dollar to make sure

922
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: them doors got flyed. That's the reality of running. And

923
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: so many candidates have done that on their own with

924
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: their own money, and they've organized black voters to believe

925
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: in their candidacy on the local level, and then these

926
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 2: major campaigns come in, These major candidates come in, call

927
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: the Michelle and say, hey, mis why don't you help

928
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: get them, you know, them thousand people you got to

929
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: come to the polls. Why don't you come help them,

930
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: get us to the polls and come take a picture

931
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: with us. And they leave Michelle in the west spot.

932
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: They leave her to continue to organize on her own,

933
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: out her own pocket, and then y'all sit around in

934
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: the college and say, just do it because it needs

935
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: to be done, do it because it's a laborer love. Meanwhile,

936
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: Michelle had to pay brothers and cousins and pay for

937
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 2: donuts and food out her pocket. This is the real

938
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: deal that what local candidates go through, and racists that

939
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: are nationalized that bring in millions and millions and millions

940
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: of dollars to help these people that y'all be sitting

941
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: up here defending don't spend a dollar on the ground

942
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to local candidates like her who can

943
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: help bring an extra thousand people to the polls. That's

944
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: how it works. That's how it works, guys. And they

945
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: don't tell you that because they want you so called

946
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: up in the Trump and Obama and michell of it all,

947
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: that they just completely don't tell you how it works.

948
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: When you're running for city council, State Rep. Like Devon

949
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: ran for city council. So Devin, she'll be able to say,

950
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: I can get two thousand people to show up x

951
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: y Z right now, but you got to pay to

952
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 2: get that done. Not him getting paid to Greece's palm

953
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: and not like that, just literally paid, you know, like

954
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: literally the sandwiches, the donuts, the juice, paying people for

955
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: their time. No, they want us to do it, and

956
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: then when we don't show up the way they want

957
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: us to, well, you know that's the problem. Black people

958
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: don't show up. No, they don't show the money. And

959
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: I'm sick of that being on us. All Right, guys,

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