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Speaker 4: Welcome again Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Thank you to

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Speaker 4: Buck Sexton, Michael Berry, Marry Christmas, Happy New Year. Hopefully

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Speaker 4: it's not too late for me to say that to

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Speaker 4: all of you. I am back from down Under, where

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Speaker 4: I went all over the place in Australia. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: I'll be talking some about that incredible trip, but I

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Speaker 4: am back just in time for all of the chaos

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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four to begin. I hope, like I said,

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Speaker 4: all of you had great Christmases, great New Year, family

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Speaker 4: and I had an incredible trip returned without being attacked

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Speaker 4: by any crocodiles, by any snakes, by any animals of

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Speaker 4: any sort of danger buck although every body of water

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Speaker 1: We saw no crocodiles in the wild. Felt completely safe.

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Speaker 1: Met a lot of listeners all over the place, a

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Speaker 1: was an awesome time. I mean really, just a really

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Speaker 1: cool trip. I've wanted to do it my whole life.

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Speaker 1: Never been long trip. I got back yesterday evening, and

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Speaker 3: But it was awesome. It was. It was a phenomenal time.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad And you didn't find a funnel web

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Speaker 2: Australia while you were there. Oh wow, I didn't even

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Speaker 1: The biggest danger, I would say was I I managed

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Speaker 1: Let's dive right into the picture as it exists. We

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Speaker 3: He's then going to go to a Charleston church.

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Speaker 1: The law fair against Trump has been taken to a

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Speaker 2: Remember it's we're trying to really see who can move

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Speaker 1: Buck that there's going to be a late picture change

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Speaker 1: here for the Democrat Party to ask you, did.

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Speaker 3: Now. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think that they are going in there hoping that

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show ten days

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Speaker 1: and TI Iowa. Monday the fifteenth, the very first people

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Speaker 1: will be able to have their voices heard in what

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis seems pretty solidly in second place in Iowa.

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Speaker 2: I think if DeSantis doesn't win in Iowa, it's over

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Speaker 2: Tucker even said he said this, I believe publicly it

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Speaker 2: For most people, that will all change and it will

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Speaker 2: I think we all know if Trump did pick Nicky Haley,

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Speaker 1: So everybody out there who says, oh, if Trump picks

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Speaker 1: I think whatever decision Trump makes for VP, everybody will

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Speaker 1: By the time we get to July and August of

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Speaker 3: But I will never vote for Donald drop. And there's

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Speaker 3: like tears running down their cheeks. It's like the one

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the cheerleader who's crying as she's doing

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Speaker 2: congrats on the big come from behind when that Alabama

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Speaker 2: had it wasn't Alabama.

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Speaker 1: I think I got emails angry about that. You messed

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Speaker 1: up who won the game between Alabama and Michigan.

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Speaker 3: I tried. I tried. People were like, leave that to Clay.

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Speaker 3: I was like, it's a message from Clay, but I

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Speaker 3: just delivered it wrong. Whoops.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, I texted you and I said, man, it

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Speaker 1: was an amazing overtime game. Both the games are really

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Speaker 1: good for the for the college football playoff and UH

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Speaker 1: and you got the the outcome wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Michigan and Washington play Monday night in UH in Houston,

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Speaker 1: which which should be a really good game, and both

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Speaker 1: Michigan and Washington won very close games in the playoff.

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Speaker 3: I watched that with my boys.

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Speaker 1: From from Australia, which was which was kind of wild

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Speaker 1: to be watching a day in advance from from Australia.

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Speaker 1: All the punters, by the way, in college football nowadays

455
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Speaker 1: are Australian, So there's increasingly more and more interest in

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Speaker 1: Australia in American football than ever before because they have

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Speaker 1: Australian rules football where everybody has to be able to

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Speaker 1: kick really well. A lot of the guys are very

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Speaker 1: good athletes, and basically they've taken over the entire punter business.

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Speaker 1: Uh in college football.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But to me, the peril to Trump is in New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire right now. I think if the Santa is within ten,

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Speaker 1: I think he'll continue. But the question becomes, is there

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Speaker 1: anything that can puncture the aura of trump invisibility inevitability?

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Speaker 1: That is, I don't think he's invisible, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think any of it. And I think he could pick

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Speaker 1: anybody for his VP, whether it's RFK Junior, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, whether it's NICKI Haley, and everybody would end

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Speaker 1: which is what kind of happens.

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Speaker 3: Trump's right about that.

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Speaker 2: Second Hour Clay and Buck kicks off now everyone, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we did a little bit of a breakdown

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Speaker 2: yesterday into this salvo against Trump where they were saying

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Speaker 2: that there's all this money that was pouring in, Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, all this money pouring in to Trump coffers

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Speaker 2: from foreign governments. Seven point eight million dollars from foreign entities.

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Speaker 2: That's the number that's the headline. And this is all

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Speaker 2: meant to be a false equivalency between Hunter Biden's well,

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Speaker 2: financial extracurricular activities, not all of them, but the stuff

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Speaker 2: that he was doing taking money from abroad and Trump.

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Speaker 2: They're effectively saying, well, Trump was taking money while he

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Speaker 2: was president. Hunter Biden was just taking money on behalf

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Speaker 2: of his vice president dad, and the dad.

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Speaker 3: Didn't know about it. We know what they're going to say.

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Speaker 2: In fact, here you can hear a little bit of

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Speaker 2: how they're trying to position this as an attack on him,

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Speaker 2: pushing the.

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Speaker 5: Trump violated the Emolument's clause.

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Speaker 2: Play six Democrats argue, this is a violation of wait

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Speaker 2: for it, the emolument's clause, violation of the emolument's clause

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Speaker 2: of the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: Violations of the Constitution's foreign Emolument's clause, violations of the

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Speaker 1: Constitution's for Emolument's clause.

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Speaker 3: Violates the Emolument's clause of the Constitution, violated the foreign

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Speaker 3: Emolument's clause.

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Speaker 2: The Emolument's clause has always been a concern since Trump

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Speaker 2: entered office.

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Speaker 4: It was business as usual for Trump make money in any.

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Speaker 3: Way you can.

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Speaker 5: Presidents could be bribed, and that's why the emolument's clause exists.

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Speaker 5: In the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: That's about time when forced the Armilument's clause. You know

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Speaker 2: who doesn't violate the Emolument's clause by investing in foreign

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00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: company and making money Hunter Biden. Okay, So so you know,

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Speaker 2: this is where you get into Clay.

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Speaker 5: They really want people to believe and I want I

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Speaker 5: wanted to hear some of this audio because it happened

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Speaker 5: to some of this was happening yesterday while you were

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Speaker 5: still on the plane.

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Speaker 3: They really want people to.

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Speaker 2: Believe that wiring millions of dollars directly to Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: is somehow fine and in fact way more fine than

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Speaker 2: people going who are foreign going to Trump golf courses

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Speaker 2: or hotels and spending money there. Right one is ay

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Speaker 2: goods for services transaction. And I think this this will

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Speaker 2: help put every put this a little bit in a perspective.

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Speaker 3: Clay.

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Speaker 2: The number that they have there, there's seven point whatever,

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Speaker 2: seven point eight million according to Forbes over the course

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Speaker 2: of Trump's four years in office with you know, he

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Speaker 2: wasn't controlling the properties obviously, and I think Eric was

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Speaker 2: mostly in charge of it at the time. He hauled

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Speaker 2: in two point four billion dollars in revenue, So dozens

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Speaker 2: of different countries. Foreign entities spending seven million dollars through

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Speaker 2: an enterprise of a goods for services transaction is supposed

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Speaker 2: to bribe a corporate head, a corporate head or chairman

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Speaker 2: that makes two point four billion dollar? Like, am I

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Speaker 2: bribing Steve or what's his name Cook? What's the guy's name,

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Speaker 2: Tim Cook? Am I bribing Steve Tim Cook? When I

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Speaker 2: buy an iPhone?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 3: Does he owe me something? Well?

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Speaker 1: Not only that, every time I hear this talked about,

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Speaker 1: it is evidence of how stupid most people in media are.

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Speaker 1: Even if you wanted to make this argument, only a

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Speaker 1: tiny pinprick of that money is profit, So a lot

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Speaker 1: and this I understand that a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: politics don't act sally run a business. But if you

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Speaker 1: go buy a big Mac and it costs you, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what a big Mac costs now six bucks,

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Speaker 1: seven bucks? Probably if you go buy a big Mac,

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Speaker 1: McDonald's doesn't make seven dollars on your big Mac. They

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Speaker 1: probably make I'm guessing here, thirty cents on a big Mac.

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Speaker 1: When they strip out all of the costs associated with

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Speaker 1: everything that they have to do in order to make

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Speaker 1: that hamburger.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they make fifty cents.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they make a dollar, depending on where the franchise

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Speaker 1: e is, right.

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Speaker 2: Food margins are usually tiary thin, yes, and usually, and

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Speaker 2: this is taking you a little bit behind the curtain,

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Speaker 2: usually you make your most money in any restaurant on alcohol,

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Speaker 2: which has a very high margin. And also soda has

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Speaker 2: a very high margin. Right, it cost almost nothing on

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Speaker 2: for a soda, So if you pay two dollars for

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Speaker 2: a fountain drink, you know they're making substantial margins there.

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Speaker 2: But this, this is why there's so so much of

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Speaker 2: the attack here. They might make Let's say that they

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Speaker 2: did seven point at five or seven point eight million

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Speaker 2: dollars in revenue, they might make ten percent on that

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Speaker 2: all right, in terms of actual profit that would descend

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Speaker 2: and you might not make any money at all.

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Speaker 3: Your business might not be profitable. Trump doesn't even get

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Speaker 3: all ten percent of it. I mean, that's craze.

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Speaker 2: This is this is the equal I want to when

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Speaker 2: you strip this all down, it's like they're saying China

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Speaker 2: could influence Trump because a Chinese company had like rented

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Speaker 2: space in a Trump office building, which in the at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day puts like fifty grand or something.

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Speaker 2: Maybe in Trump's pocket when all expenses what all said

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Speaker 2: and done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is crazy, this is just this is not

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Speaker 3: living in reality at all.

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Speaker 1: I ran a business that was in the advertising business.

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Speaker 1: We made a lot of money in advertising deals with

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Speaker 1: all of these different companies. But you know what I

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Speaker 1: also had to do. I had to pay out all

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Speaker 1: my employees and I had to cover all my expenses.

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Speaker 1: And so what they're trying to do here is this

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Speaker 1: is what's important about this. They're trying to eliminate what

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden did by arguing that Donald Trump and his

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Speaker 1: family did just as bad or worse. And you'll see

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Speaker 1: this also happened Buck. In addition to how stupid this

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Speaker 1: argument is, people will come out and they'll say, well,

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Speaker 1: the Saudis gave Jared Kushner two billion dollars, so why

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Speaker 1: do we care about what they're doing with the money

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Speaker 1: that China and Ukraine companies gave to Hunter Biden. These

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Speaker 1: are not similar things, right, And I understand again this

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Speaker 1: is somewhat complicated. The Saudi's invested in Jared Kushner's investment

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Speaker 1: fund that when you invest with Charles Schwab, Charles Schwab

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Speaker 1: doesn't get to walk away with your four oh one k.

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Speaker 1: They are managing your four oh one k. Right, Jared

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Speaker 1: Kushner started an investment fund. The Saudi's get back ideally

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Speaker 1: all of their two billion dollars, plus all of the

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Speaker 1: money that they make on the investments that Jared Kushner

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Speaker 1: is involved in. What Hunter Biden got was money for

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Speaker 1: virtually nothing. Right, whatever you want to say about the

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00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: Trump hotel or the Trump restaurants, you pay for a

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Speaker 1: service and you get back that service. Whatever you think

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Speaker 1: about Jared Kushner's money management skills, the Saudis are giving

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Speaker 1: him money to invest. They're not giving him that money.

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00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: Hunter banked millions of dollars potentially tens of millions we

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Speaker 1: don't even know, based entirely on his name, and he

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Speaker 1: got the full value of all of those dollars. This

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Speaker 1: is not uncomparable at all. This is not comparable at all.

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Speaker 1: And it also goes to if they you know, they

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Speaker 1: try this before, I mean the Washington Post. It's been laughable.

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Speaker 2: They try this while Trump was president, and when people

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Speaker 2: finally dig into it, and when an actual court looks

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Speaker 2: in it, they're like, this.

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Speaker 3: Is this is absurd.

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Speaker 2: If there were Chinese diplomats going into the Trump hotel

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Speaker 2: where during the Trump presidency I used to hang out

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Speaker 2: all the time. Somean you probably even saw me there

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Speaker 2: high five if they were going in there and saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not buying I'm not going to pay twenty dollars

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Speaker 2: for this cheeseburger. I'm going to give you twenty million

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Speaker 2: dollars for this cheeseburger. Yes, yes, Okay, that would start.

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Speaker 2: You'd start to say that something funny is going on here.

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Speaker 2: This is a bribe, right, we understand kind of like

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Speaker 2: if you were I don't know, creating finger paintings and

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Speaker 2: had like no history as an artist and started selling

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Speaker 2: them for five hundred thousand dollars to anonymous buyers like

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Speaker 2: y Hunter Biden was.

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Speaker 3: Doing is doing if it is doing.

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Speaker 2: If someone is paying you five hundred grand for your

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Speaker 2: cheeseburger at a hotel, I do think that that should

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Speaker 2: be looked into. If they're paying you twenty bucks, it's

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Speaker 2: a business. I mean, but you know, Clay, so few

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Speaker 2: of the people who talk about this rite for the

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Speaker 2: Washington Post whatever have ever just sort of worked in

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Speaker 2: a normal business. I'm not saying none of them, but

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Speaker 2: generally speaking, a lot of them go from college to

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Speaker 2: think tank, to journalism, back to journalism, back to They've

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Speaker 2: never actually worked in any private sector capacity really other

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Speaker 2: than journalism, which you know is kind of like it's

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00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: like the arts now, just after Bezos.

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Speaker 1: Basically, what they're saying is, if you own a business

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Speaker 1: which the public can in any way decide that they

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Speaker 1: are going to spend their money on, right, you own

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Speaker 1: a consumer facing business, then you violate the molument's cause.

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Speaker 1: So if you I mean, because you could make the

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Speaker 1: same argument, right if instead of being involved in hotels,

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Speaker 1: if Trump will own Starbucks, you could argue, well, look

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Speaker 1: at all these different foreign nationals that go into Starbucks

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Speaker 1: on a day to day basis, and they've given I

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Speaker 1: don't know how many China probably has spent. I think

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Speaker 1: Starbucks has thousands of Chinese restaurants now, right, Chinese people

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Speaker 1: spend billions of dollars a year with Starbucks. With the

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Speaker 1: Starbucks CEO was named Howard Schultz ran for president for

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Speaker 1: a short period of time right or talked about the

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Speaker 1: fact that he might run for president. There are lots

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Speaker 1: of reasons you could or could not support him, but

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Speaker 1: the idea that he owned a business which foreign nationals

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Speaker 1: would sometimes decide to spend money with, is laughably absurd.

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Speaker 3: Same thing Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that Mayor Bloomberg when he ran for president

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Speaker 1: as a Democrat. I am quite certain that there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of foreign business entities that subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg business services. I mean, virtually everybody in investment does.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean in some way that Bloomberg doesn't have

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Speaker 1: independence of thought because he happens to own a multi

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Speaker 1: billion dollar business. It's basically just an attack on anyone

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Speaker 1: who doesn't work full time in the employment of political space.

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Speaker 3: You know who pays Joe Biden every.

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Speaker 1: Day US taxpayers, Like I wish he made him living

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Speaker 1: some other way.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if the people writing this and lever that this

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Speaker 2: attack was made in the past and it didn't work either,

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Speaker 2: they're just red directing this. This goes to the sign

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Speaker 2: I think of, or is a sign of how desperate

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00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: the pro Biden camp is that they're I mean, this

712
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: is a step away from Russia collusion.

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Speaker 3: Trump stole the election in twenty sixteen with the Russia.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy. This didn't work.

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Speaker 2: It was it was nonsense then it's nonsense now just

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Speaker 2: it's it's kind of funny. I mean the leverage that

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00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: they pretend you know, it's it's a it's a corporation

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Speaker 2: that had that is doing you know, two point four

719
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: billion dollars in revenue, and you're gonna walk up there

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Speaker 2: and be like.

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Speaker 5: Well, we've spent a lot of money at the Trump Hotel,

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Speaker 5: so we expect special treatment in US China foreign policy.

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Speaker 5: You're kidding me right, Like there's no crazy Whereas if

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Speaker 5: you're Hunter Biden and you can't pay your bills because

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Speaker 5: let's be honest, you're you're a crackhead and you're getting

726
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Speaker 5: twenty million dollars from some Chinese or Ukrainian businessman put

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Speaker 5: in an LLC account for you that Yeah, you're gonna

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Speaker 5: get Dad on the phone and you're gonna try to

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Speaker 5: urge an outcome like the fire of a prosecutor in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying, Like one of these things gives you leverage the others.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you walk into a restaurant, you're like,

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Speaker 2: I just had an appetizer, Now I demand, you know,

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Speaker 2: free meals for a year.

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Speaker 3: People will laugh at you, think you're crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even to use the dollar figure that they

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Speaker 1: spent again, is it's really dishonest because anyone who's ever

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Speaker 1: run a business, the vast majority of your money that

739
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Speaker 1: you make is not profit. So even if you're arguing, oh,

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Speaker 1: this guy is being influenced by somehow somebody's staying in

741
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Speaker 1: his hotel, well, he's making probably no more than a

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Speaker 1: nickel or a dime off of whatever they spend. In

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Speaker 1: terms of actual profit, I'm not even sure what the

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Speaker 1: profitability is of the Trump brand. You want to talk

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Speaker 1: about a hit. Trump is probably the only president in

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Speaker 1: any of our lives who has lost money by being

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Speaker 1: president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, my biggest, my biggest takeaway from this, and we

749
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Speaker 2: discussed it, you know, yesterday when you were flying back

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Speaker 2: a bit, But my biggest takeaway today looking the whole thing,

751
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Speaker 2: is this is a sign of they're just running the playbook.

752
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: It's desperate, they don't have a lot to go on,

753
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Speaker 2: and this is the best they can come up with

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00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: is to regurgitate old failed attacks on Trump. At at

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Speaker 2: this point in time, I think that that's that's where

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Speaker 2: this stands, and it's another indicator that it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: very tough for Biden, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Eight h two two eight A two. What do you

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Speaker 3: think about this one?

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Speaker 2: Also, Clay, I wanted to hear your take on the

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Speaker 2: We haven't you know heard you talk about the efforts

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Speaker 2: to kick Trump off these ballots, which in Colorado and Maine,

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Speaker 2: and how the Supreme Court's weighing in on this one.

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Speaker 2: I think, I said, I think it'll go seven to

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Speaker 2: two against I think two Supreme courts. So come back

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Speaker 2: and tell us what you what you think on this one.

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Speaker 2: You know, this hour, we got to get into it.

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Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of reasons to be

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Speaker 2: concerned about the value of the US dollar. This year

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Speaker 2: the highest debt ceiling ever now surpassing thirty four trillion,

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Speaker 2: plus two sworn enemies of our nation, Russia and Iran

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Speaker 2: are no longer trading in the worldwide currency that is

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Speaker 2: the US dollar. Will our US dollar be subject to

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Speaker 2: more attacks? Former Wall Street insider Tika Twari believes so.

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Speaker 2: He's so convinced of it he's made his opinions public

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Speaker 2: and an online video for all to see. It's worth

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Speaker 3: Inspiring you to seek out the truth the Clay Travis

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Speaker 3: said Buck Sexton Show, welcome back in our number three

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Speaker 3: Friday edition.

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Speaker 1: Hope all of you are having fantastic Friday so far

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Speaker 1: as we prepare to roll into the weekend. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to be back here alongside a Buck. Amazing time down

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Speaker 1: in Australia. We bring in now regular guests. Czar of

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Speaker 1: all things Trump legal related, particularly January sixth, she is

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Speaker 1: Julie Kelly. Julie, I hope you had a good New

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Speaker 1: Year and a good Christmas as well. We appreciate you

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Speaker 1: joining us. I said earlier on the show that I'm

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Speaker 1: increasingly of the opinion that Jack Smith is not going

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Speaker 1: to get his trial in in Washington, d C. Related

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Speaker 1: to jan six before the election, because I think the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court is gonna have to weigh in on a

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Speaker 1: variety of these charges. How would you assess the timeline?

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Speaker 1: I think you have tweeted as well that there's no

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Speaker 1: way the early March trial date is happening. Where are

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Speaker 1: we now on these trials?

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thanks for having me on. Happy You're happy

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Speaker 6: thieve of sechsrection day. If you're in Australia, it might

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Speaker 6: already be set direction day there. I'm not sure it is.

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Speaker 3: It's January sixth already in Australia right now.

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Speaker 6: All right, well, celebrate accordingly. Wow for the FBI informants

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Speaker 6: working around. So, I mean, I think it's a pretty

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Speaker 6: safe bet that the March fourth trial date is off.

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Speaker 6: I mean, here we are, you know, sixty days out.

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Speaker 6: There are a lot of deadlines that have been put

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Speaker 6: on hold by the court because the immunity issue is

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Speaker 6: now before the Appellate Court on Tuesday, that will make

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Speaker 6: its way to the Supreme Court eventually. So the pretty

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Speaker 6: safe bet the March fourth trial date is off. Does

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Speaker 6: that mean that they will hold off for election day?

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Speaker 6: I'm not so sure. Possibly, But to your point, you know,

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Speaker 6: this immunity issue and Judge Chuckkin denying Trump's claims of

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Speaker 6: presidential immunity from this criminal prosecution definitely has to be

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Speaker 6: settled by the Supreme Court. Because, of course, this is unprecedented.

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Speaker 6: The Supreme Court has never weighed in on whether a

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Speaker 6: president or former president is protected from criminal prosecution and

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Speaker 6: for activity that was conducted while he was president in office,

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Speaker 6: so that that could be Now, how that fits in

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Speaker 6: with the classified documents trial in Southern Florida, you know

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Speaker 6: that's still up in the air too. That trial date,

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Speaker 6: all of the pre trial schedule is on hold there

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Speaker 6: as well as what's happening in the DC case sort

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Speaker 6: of makes its way through the court system. So it's

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Speaker 6: very complex, very convoluted. But look, Jacksmith and the dj AS,

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Speaker 6: you know, they're not going to adhere to any norms

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Speaker 6: or any rules or standard operating procedure in terms of

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Speaker 6: not bringing a criminal prosecution before an election. We already

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Speaker 6: know that they violate that brazenly. And so it's not

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Speaker 6: like if this trial can move forward after a Supreme

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Speaker 6: Court ruling in June that they put this on trial,

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Speaker 6: that they put them on trial in July or August,

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Speaker 6: will they do it?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so, Julie, as these.

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Speaker 2: These trials are maybe going to happen, we don't really

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Speaker 2: know what's going on. Do you think Jack Smith has

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Speaker 2: foreseen what's going on here? Or is there a little

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Speaker 2: bit of panic in the walls or closing in Democrat

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Speaker 2: precincts if you will, right, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: The people that are like, oh, we finally got Trump,

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Speaker 2: He's finally going to be convicted and maybe we'll even

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Speaker 2: be able to get him under home confinement or some

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Speaker 2: kind of a sentence like that, are they panicking a

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Speaker 2: little bit that Jack Smith might have messed up? I mean,

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Speaker 2: is this starting to trickle down you think, or is

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Speaker 2: this more or less with what was expected by the

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Speaker 2: Special Council.

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Speaker 6: No, I mean, I think the left and the Democrats

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Speaker 6: have to be panicking about what's happening with this DC trial.

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Speaker 6: You know, it could be a matter of time before

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Speaker 6: Jack Smith gets criticism from his own side, waiting until

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Speaker 6: August first of this last year to bring this four

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Speaker 6: count sort of flimsy, really flimsy indictment against Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: for January sixth, lifting most of the verbiage from the

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Speaker 6: January sixth Select Committee, but even at greater risk. And

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Speaker 6: we've talked about this then. The immunity issue is that

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Speaker 6: two of the four counts in Jacksmith's criminal indictment against

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Speaker 6: Trump for January sixth could be reversed by the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 6: Before they even handle the immunity issue, and that is

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Speaker 6: this fifteen twelve C two obstruction of an official preceding statute.

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Speaker 6: The Supreme Court granted cert in that matter last month.

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Speaker 6: They will be reviewing how doj intentionally misinterpreted the big

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Speaker 6: language and that statute to use it against three hundred

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Speaker 6: plus Jay six Ers and Donald Trump. If the Supreme

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Speaker 6: Court comes back in rules at the District Court has

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Speaker 6: misapplied that statute, that it misinterpreted it, then that has

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Speaker 6: huge consequences for Jacksmith's indictment. So then what does he

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Speaker 6: do next? I am still not completely convinced, as we

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Speaker 6: talked about for over a year, he won't file a

874
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 6: superseding indictment simply because at fifteen twelve C two charge

875
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 6: is that it is such in jeopardy. So I could

876
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 6: send some criticism heading Jack Smith's way. Also, knowing that

877
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 6: the immunity issue for President Trump had to be settled

878
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 6: before the trial could move forward, that they waited until

879
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 6: August to file this indictment, they pushed for a quick trial.

880
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 6: Judge Chuck can granted that this is a crisis of

881
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 6: their own making, both Judge Chuck And and Jack Smith. So

882
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 6: what happens now. Yes, I'm sure there's quite a bit

883
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 6: of panic in the Special Council's office.

884
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about timing. You mentioned that March

885
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: fourth initial trial date. I don't think that there's been

886
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: any official acknowledgment. There's no way on the planet that's happening, right,

887
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: So this case is not starting in March, So I

888
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: think we can toss that out the window. If the

889
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: Supreme Court waits until June, they can wait till late June,

890
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: I think, on the calendar to release all of their

891
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: different opinions. The absolutely if they waited un till then,

892
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: which I don't think it's crazy to contemplate a lot

893
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: of times they save their most politically charged opinions till

894
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: the end of the term. If they do that, then

895
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: how long has a jury selection typically taken in your

896
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: experience on these jan sixth cases, Because if they do that,

897
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't see any way that they can get this

898
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: case resolved in DC before we go to start voting

899
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: all over the country, especially given how early early voting is.

900
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know when the official earliest vot

901
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: will be cast, but certainly it's in October.

902
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Speaker 3: I don't see any way they could get this resolved

903
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: before the election.

904
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Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, you've been through so many of

905
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: these trials, what's the typical jury selection process look like.

906
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: This one would certainly not be typical, But I would

907
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: think it would take a couple of months a minimum

908
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: to see the jury.

909
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 6: Well, it should take a few months, right, I mean,

910
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 6: I think the longest jury selection process I saw was

911
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 6: with the Prowdboys trial, and they think that that was

912
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 6: several days. But look, judges typically also just go run

913
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 6: through this jury selection in a day or two. Jury

914
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 6: questionnaires were supposed to be filed this Tuesday in this case,

915
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 6: As they send those out to prospective jurors, they look

916
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 6: at who is qualified disqualified. Then, as you know, they

917
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 6: have a wa deer process where individuals come in personally.

918
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 6: They're asked by the judge of a number of questions, including,

919
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 6: you know, their ties to the federal government or DJ

920
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 6: or their inherent bias. So this is going to be

921
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 6: that would be a tough jury selection. But look, you've

922
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 6: got Judge Chuck in at the end of the day,

923
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 6: she really is the one who will see this jury.

924
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 6: Will she consent to a hastened process. Absolutely positively she will.

925
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 6: So you know, Trump and his team certainly are not

926
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 6: out of the woods in terms of quickening, you know,

927
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 6: rushing to a quick to a quick jury trial. If now, look,

928
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 6: there's also a slim chance that it's a court won't

929
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 6: hear any appellate court ruling. If the Appellate Court comes

930
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 6: down after oral arguments are this Tuesday the ninth, the

931
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 6: Appellate Court three judge panel comes back, say a week

932
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 6: or two later, they probably are already preparing this. It's

933
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 6: two Democrats, one Republican. If it's a three to zero decision,

934
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 6: and then this is eventually ends up at the Supreme Court,

935
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 6: they could deny cert. They could just say, no, we're

936
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 6: not going to review this. You need four justices to

937
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 6: grant cert in a case, meaning they will review the

938
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 6: Appellate court's decision. Do you trust that we've got four

939
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 6: strong justices on the Supreme Court who would take up

940
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 6: such a politically charged matter in an election year. I don't.

941
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 6: So that's certainly an option. And then the immunity issue

942
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 6: is settled, keys denied immunity, and then the process can

943
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 6: move forward. So that's another option that this never even

944
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 6: makes it to the Supreme Court because they're not required

945
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 6: to take it up.

946
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: What they do, sorry, they do have half of these

947
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: charges that they have to decide potentially as late as June,

948
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: right that they've already accepted exactly.

949
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 6: So that is a bigger risk to Jacksmith, because that's

950
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 6: a certainty They granted certain on December thirteenth. Oral arguments

951
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 6: will probably take place March in April, and then to

952
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 6: your point, a decision rendered by the end of this term,

953
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 6: which is the end of June. So they might be

954
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 6: there's a chance that they deny certain the immunity issue

955
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 6: and they turn around on this fifteen twelve feet too,

956
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 6: which is pretty clear cut that the DOJ has not

957
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 6: applied that statute correctly. You had the Appellate Court judge

958
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 6: Florence Pana Democrats say that this was the first time

959
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 6: it's ever been used this way. The Appellate Court ruling

960
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 6: that they're considering is basically three different opinions. It's called

961
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 6: a splintered ruling, which is what one of the judges

962
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 6: on the panels said. If you read that ruling and

963
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 6: you read the origin originating case Fisher versus USA, it's

964
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 6: hard to imagine the Supreme Court doesn't drastically reprimand the

965
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 6: Appellate Court or revise that judgment, but overturn it outright

966
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 6: than this fifteen twelve seed too. And look, we already

967
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 6: see and I've reported you guys have probably seen this.

968
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 6: You have defendants who are waiting sentencing going to judges

969
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 6: who have allowed this count asking them to delay sentencing

970
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 6: until the Supreme Court's rule. So you already have judges

971
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 6: in DC who are wary about what the Supreme Court

972
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 6: is going to do with this count. That is a

973
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 6: heavier burden on Jack Smith than this immunity issue in

974
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 6: my opinion.

975
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: Talking to Julie Kelly, declassified with Julie Kelly is our substack.

976
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: You should all go check it out for these kinds

977
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: of issues that we're talking about today, and Julie, the

978
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: state ballot issues Colorado, Maine, perhaps some others that may

979
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 2: be coming up here. Do you view this as I mean,

980
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: I know you think that it's crazy. I think it's crazy,

981
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: But is it really just frivolous political maneuvering or is

982
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: there any chance that this could actually work in one

983
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: of these states?

984
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 6: I mean, it really it could work. It will again

985
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 6: be up to the Supreme Court. You have Trump filed

986
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 6: cert and Republican officials had filed certificate story, which means

987
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 6: they're asking the Supreme Court to review a case. And

988
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 6: so they're asked. They've asked for the Supreme Court to

989
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 6: review the Colorado four three decision that declared Trump indeed

990
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 6: engaged in insurrection and therefore is disqualified from running for office.

991
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 6: It's hard to see scotus. I could see them denying

992
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 6: the immunity issue before this one. But look, what does

993
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 6: this do optics wise? It continues to fuel the idea

994
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 6: of that January sixth was an insurrection that Donald Trump

995
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 6: was responsible. It also potentially gives Jason that the fodder

996
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 6: he needs to file a superseding indictment along those lines

997
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 6: either insurrection seditious conspiracy if we've talked about over the

998
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 6: past year. So you know, this all could be evidence

999
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 6: he could bring before a grand jury and seeking harsher

1000
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 6: charges against Donald Trump. And keep in mind, we still

1001
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 6: have those six unindicted co conspirators in the indictment, the

1002
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 6: existing Jacksmith indictment. Those are people like Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman,

1003
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 6: Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell. You know people have taken please

1004
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 6: people who have been charged in other venues, So you know,

1005
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 6: all those are a few of the things that could

1006
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 6: be working in Jacksmith's favor right now. But look, this

1007
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 6: guy is not done. We've seen what he's capable. He's

1008
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 6: flagrantly violating a court order in the DC case by

1009
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 6: filing court related motions or trial related motions, which is

1010
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 6: why Donald Trump's legal team filed on asked the judge

1011
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 6: to hold Jacksmith's team in contempt for violating this temporary

1012
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 6: stay on trial proceedings until there's a decision on the

1013
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 6: immunity matter. So he doesn't care none of as I said,

1014
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 6: none of the rules, none of the laws, and none

1015
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 6: of the regulations applied to Jack Smith. So this is

1016
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 6: where that sort of decision Colorado and Maine could help

1017
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 6: him out if he is seeking more criminal indictments against Trump.

1018
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: Last question, Julie, quickly, here Biden is speaking in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania,

1019
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: in about an hour a day early to celebrate the

1020
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: third anniversary of jan six. Do you think that speech

1021
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: is going to have residence? Do you think Jan six

1022
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: still moves people?

1023
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 6: I think it is such a sign of desperation, and

1024
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 6: for me and others who covered this, and thank you

1025
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 6: both for helping cover my work, it is a sign

1026
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 6: of desperation. They know the January sixth narrative is unraveling

1027
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 6: at so many levels, public trust in what's happening. You

1028
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 6: see the Washington Post poll where support of the j

1029
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 6: six insurrection storyline is disintegrating, and now you have the

1030
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 6: Biden campaign saying in some ways January sixth was worse

1031
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 6: than the Civil War, which is what deputy campaign no

1032
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 6: I'm sorry campaign manager said in a call with the press.

1033
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 6: This speak well, at least during the Civil War you

1034
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 6: didn't have insurrection of storming the capitol. That's what she

1035
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 6: actually said. It's a sign of desperation and should be

1036
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 6: a positive sign for the rest of us that the

1037
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 6: truth is coming out. The left, Democrats, Biden and media

1038
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 6: are on the run because this whole narrative is collapsing.

1039
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: Thank you, Julie.

1040
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: By the way, as a Civil War history nerd, I

1041
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: can point out the reason there was no attack on

1042
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: the Capitol was because there were lots of forts that

1043
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: surrounded Washington, d C. During the Civil War, and in fact,

1044
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: if they could have the South would have taken Washington,

1045
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: d c.

1046
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: And into the war. That was the entire point. Thanks, Julie.

1047
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: I mean the British burned it down in eighteen twelve

1048
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: just to be mean, just to be mean. They were prickly.

1049
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: It's like they had run out of tea and crumpets

1050
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: and they wanted to just burn down our White House,

1051
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: like the mean old Brits.

1052
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: They are.

1053
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: Hey, Richmond burned and much of the South burned. Atlanta

1054
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: got burned down. If you could take a city, you tried.

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