WEBVTT - Apple Embraces A Touchscreen MacBook +  iPhone Duo “Crackgate”

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio, news.

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<v Speaker 2>You can put me at the top of the list

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<v Speaker 2>of people who wanted a touchscreen MacBook Pro. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>damn time, as LeBron James would say. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 2>Power On podcast. I'm Mark Gurman. We talk about Apple

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<v Speaker 2>and the world of consumer tech. We're here in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joined by my colleague, Chris Welch. Of course, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about the iPhone Duo, my latest impressions

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<v Speaker 2>of the device, getting an iPhone Duo, some of Chris's review,

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<v Speaker 2>but of course, the cracking situation and other issues that

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<v Speaker 2>people have had with the device. But like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in LA and we're going to talk about Apple's

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<v Speaker 2>Pro Intel events. They launched a new iPad mini this week,

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<v Speaker 2>new MacBook Pro, new iMac, and of course, the cherry

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<v Speaker 2>on top, The touchscreen, the ProLed XDR MacBook Pro with touch.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we're going to break it all down. Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for joining me. Let's start with the iPhone Duo.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course. So you've had it now for, what, a

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<v Speaker 2>week or so? Yeah. Exactly a week now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts a week in?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I like it. There are certainly times where

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<v Speaker 1>I still miss my Macs, just having all that vertical space,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But I do use it open probably 60%

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<v Speaker 1>to 70% of the time. So I find myself really

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<v Speaker 1>using it constantly and opening it. But that's because that

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<v Speaker 1>screen outside is just a little bit cramped and like

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<v Speaker 1>apps are not quite optimized and some are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get more optimized, but they're still not quite there. And

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<v Speaker 1>like they're like overlapping controls. And so people are still

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out the iPhone Duo. I think that's the clear message.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the phone itself, the hardware, I haven't had

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<v Speaker 1>any problems. You know, we'll get into there have been some,

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<v Speaker 1>but mine is still working great so far. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good device. You know, the camera is good enough

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<v Speaker 1>for what it is for my needs, shooting food, shooting friends,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. And on the whole, I'm satisfied. You've

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<v Speaker 1>had yours for a few days since launch day.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got on launch day. So a few things.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the iPhone Duo went on sale, I called the

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<v Speaker 2>pre-order situation for the device a disaster, a mistake. And

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<v Speaker 2>I 1000% stand by that. And we'll get into more

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<v Speaker 2>of that when we talk about the cracking situation. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I'll say is that a lot of people gave

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<v Speaker 2>me heat on social media saying, oh, I'm being a

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<v Speaker 2>big baby. I'm just complaining because I didn't get one. No, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a Duo and I had one coming the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time on October 23rd on that Friday. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I was very happy to get it. I'm very happy

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<v Speaker 2>to have it. But I did feel like I was

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<v Speaker 2>sticking up for the Apple diehards that wanted this device,

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<v Speaker 2>went to pre-order it, weren't able to get it as

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<v Speaker 2>they normally would want to. And so let me give

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<v Speaker 2>you a little bit more color as to why. What

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<v Speaker 2>I've since learned from people very close to the logistics

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<v Speaker 2>for the iPhone Duo is was that Apple allocated roughly 80%

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<v Speaker 2>of initial iPhone Duo inventory to its retail stores and

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<v Speaker 2>only 20% to delivery as well as walk-in pre-orders, so reservations.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the most part, if you were getting an

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<v Speaker 2>iPhone Duo in-store on day one, you were getting it

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<v Speaker 2>by waiting in line. And in terms of how many

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<v Speaker 2>units stores actually had in terms of walk-in inventory plus

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<v Speaker 2>pre-order inventory, We're talking, depending on the store, about 50,

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<v Speaker 2>at the very high end, 250 units. Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably at the Fifth Avenue store, they had a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>number of them because the Apple executives were going to

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<v Speaker 2>be there, and they didn't want it to be a

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<v Speaker 2>whole issue where there were Apple executives there and people

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<v Speaker 2>complaining about not getting their phones. But the reality is,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing is an extremely short supply. They made a

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<v Speaker 2>very limited number of them, and it was a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>They initially wanted to release this thing in only the

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<v Speaker 2>US and China at the end of November, and they

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<v Speaker 2>went early. And A couple reasons why you can tell

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<v Speaker 2>they went early other than the limited supply are some

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<v Speaker 2>of the early issues with the product. You have software quirks.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, no picture-in-picture FaceTime when you have the inner

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<v Speaker 2>screen working. In Safari, the most used button anyone uses

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<v Speaker 2>on their iPhone is the share button in Safari because

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<v Speaker 2>they want to send their friends a link to a

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<v Speaker 2>funny article. There's no share button. And then I try

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<v Speaker 2>to pull down on getting notifications, right? That doesn't work

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<v Speaker 2>for me maybe 75% of the time. But the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>thing is probably the biggest iPhone hardware issue we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>other than the bend gate for the iPhone six plus

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<v Speaker 2>and the antenna issue for the iPhone four. Now, let

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<v Speaker 2>me just say from the start, just like those, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to come out unscathed here. There are a small

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<v Speaker 2>number of iPhones, iPhone duos, and that could be tens

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<v Speaker 2>of thousands of units. We don't really know small percentage

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<v Speaker 2>that they use the phone. A customer uses the phone

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<v Speaker 2>and they're opening the device to unfold it it feels

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<v Speaker 2>a little tight so they keep opening it and then

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<v Speaker 2>boom a piece of the hinge doesn't maneuver correctly and

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<v Speaker 2>then punctures the display and the screen is broken yeah

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<v Speaker 2>and if you could just go to an apple store

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<v Speaker 2>and get the device replaced it's not really that big

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<v Speaker 2>of a deal but you go to the apple store

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<v Speaker 2>and they tell you hey we have no inventory right.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people have gotten their swaps pretty easily some

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten.

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<v Speaker 2>Swapped but everyone i know has not been able to

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<v Speaker 2>get their swap i take that back most people i

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<v Speaker 2>know haven't been able to get their swapped and there

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<v Speaker 2>have been other issues a friend of mine His camera

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<v Speaker 2>was broken from day one, came out of the box broken.

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<v Speaker 2>You open the camera app, it's a black screen. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been unable to find a replacement, right? If you go

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<v Speaker 2>to AppleCare, you may have better luck, but in the stores,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been more difficult. And what has really bothered me

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<v Speaker 2>about this, there have been some influencers online who are

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<v Speaker 2>essentially blaming the customer. Blaming Apple diehards who waited in

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<v Speaker 2>line 10 hours, blaming Apple diehards that spent $ 2, 000 to

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<v Speaker 2>$ 3, 000 plus on this device, saying it's their fault that

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<v Speaker 2>it broke. And it almost feels like Apple wants to

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<v Speaker 2>come out and say, you're folding it wrong, right? Remember

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<v Speaker 2>that you're holding it wrong with Antenagate? But they can't

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<v Speaker 2>do that because they're a professional company and they know

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<v Speaker 2>this is a real issue. So these influencers are instead

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<v Speaker 2>doing it on their behalf. And I think it's gross

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<v Speaker 2>and gaslighting. and terrible for the customer that people they

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<v Speaker 2>know work closely with Apple are saying things that blame

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<v Speaker 2>the customer when this is a real issue that Apple

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<v Speaker 2>itself has acknowledged. So I'm curious, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>of this problem?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a real issue for sure. How small

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<v Speaker 1>is small is the question, you know? We don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Apple knows. They have the data, obviously, of

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<v Speaker 1>how many are failing over time. But it does seem small.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have friends who have their duo and aren't

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<v Speaker 1>having any issues, but there are reports online. You can

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<v Speaker 1>see them. It always fails in that one point on

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<v Speaker 1>the hinge. like one third up from the bottom, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that piece just comes off and that is a fragile screen.

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<v Speaker 1>So like anything that like digs into it is going

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<v Speaker 1>to break it. Um, so who knows if, who knows

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<v Speaker 1>if there's just like a bad batch of duos that

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<v Speaker 1>came out, uh, or what the cause is like the

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<v Speaker 1>underlying root root cause.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, but I would guess it's a bad batch.

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<v Speaker 1>It is real.

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<v Speaker 2>And anyone telling you that it's not real and that

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't believe the media and the reports of this

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<v Speaker 2>is lying to you. There are some people who've tried

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<v Speaker 2>to take advantage of this with AI, uh, People made

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<v Speaker 2>a wallpaper saying that they have a cracked screen when

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't. But this is legitimate. I put out a

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<v Speaker 2>tweet Sunday night you may have seen asking, hey, people

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<v Speaker 2>have been talking about this cracked phone issue. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to write about it unless I can validate this myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I woke up Monday morning early. Obviously, the iPad mini

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<v Speaker 2>was announced at 6 a.m. and I knew that, so

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<v Speaker 2>I was up bright and early. My inbox on Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>was full of people with pictures, long stories of how

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<v Speaker 2>it happened, unhappy about how Apple has handled it. People

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<v Speaker 2>sent me receipts. So purchase receipts that they bought the device,

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of them waiting in line for it. A few

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<v Speaker 2>people sent me Genius Bar paperwork, correspondence with Apple confirming

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<v Speaker 2>the issue. And I knew immediately this was real because

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<v Speaker 2>you see it on Reddit and Twitter. You can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>But once my inbox started getting flooded with it, I

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty surprised by the number that came in. And

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<v Speaker 2>so this was a real thing. And Apple responded to

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<v Speaker 2>it 18 minutes after I put my article out. They

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<v Speaker 2>know where people come to get their news, and they

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<v Speaker 2>know once I put it out, it's real.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough. But the main thing here is do right

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<v Speaker 1>by the customer. Take care of them. Find a new

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<v Speaker 1>duo for them at some point. It might take a

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<v Speaker 1>week or two. But to have this very expensive phone

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<v Speaker 1>and have it break within two or three hours is

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<v Speaker 1>certainly a drag. So as long as Apple does right

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<v Speaker 1>by the customer, I think this will be long forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>in six months.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think it'll be forgotten even sooner. Honestly, I

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<v Speaker 2>would bet they've already figured out what this bad batch is.

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<v Speaker 2>They've already isolated the batch, and any units you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>are probably not going to have this problem. I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>very surprised if we continue to see people having them.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing, and this is something we discovered and

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<v Speaker 2>Apple said the same thing, that these phones break pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if you've had the device for a week,

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<v Speaker 2>by now you should be good, and you're not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>in a waiting game for your phone to crack. But

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<v Speaker 2>it is sort of a black eye on Ternus' first

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<v Speaker 2>big launch, but Obviously, we know foldables are flimsy.

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<v Speaker 1>These things happen, as Samsung has learned long ago. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a V1 product, so there are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be some stumbles. But as long as they get over

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<v Speaker 1>it and fix it in time, I think it'll be good.

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<v Speaker 1>But the stock issue is real. Like, this phone is

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<v Speaker 1>hard to find right now. Like, if you didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>yours on day one, it's tough. Like, people are building

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<v Speaker 1>AI bots to, like, search their local stores and, like,

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<v Speaker 1>buy one automatically.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're going out quickly, right? The second Apple is

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<v Speaker 2>uploading that they have inventory in stores, they're going in seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to the guys at the local stores

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<v Speaker 2>here in LA and they're telling me people are camping

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<v Speaker 2>out every night, still a week later. I've never seen

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<v Speaker 2>this before for a new Apple product. People really want

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<v Speaker 2>this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They do.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me be clear. I've been using it for

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<v Speaker 2>a week. The issues aside, this thing's freaking phenomenal. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the iPhone duo. Thank you, Apple. I've been waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for this. I've been excited about it. And I stand

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<v Speaker 2>by my belief that this is going to become the

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<v Speaker 2>new normal in half a decade or so, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more, maybe a little bit less. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is just a tremendous product using FaceTime.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't find yourself wanting a bigger outer screen ever?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe a little bit of a bigger screen.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind it. I'm probably using 75% of the

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<v Speaker 2>time the inner screen. I think the internal camera for

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<v Speaker 2>FaceTime is not amazing, but it's good enough. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the external cameras are good enough for my use cases.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a pro photographer like you. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>been pretty great. The dual camera FaceTime has been great.

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<v Speaker 2>The kids cue thing has been, it really works. I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to know the inside story of the testing

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<v Speaker 2>that they've used for the kids cue feature where it's

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<v Speaker 2>playing like Snoopy and other characters. So to get your

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<v Speaker 2>baby to pay attention, I can confirm that works and

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<v Speaker 2>that works well.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a Google feature first.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a Google feature first.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>And Google's done a great job on that. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think Apple nailed it on this product. And I'm pumped

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<v Speaker 2>for Gen 2, pumped for Gen 3 to keep this

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<v Speaker 2>thing going.

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<v Speaker 1>Face ID. Gen 2, hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. What is your take on Face ID?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't miss Face ID itself, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the Touch ID experience is just not always great. It's

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<v Speaker 1>slower than it should be. I wish it would just

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<v Speaker 1>unlock like that. As soon as you touch it, pick

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<v Speaker 1>up the phone, hold your finger there, and it opens

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<v Speaker 1>up to the lock screen. There's just that little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a beat. Where it waits. For some reason, you

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<v Speaker 1>can see your notifications, I suppose. But I just wish

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<v Speaker 1>it would just have the option.

0:10:54.350 --> 0:10:57.090
<v Speaker 2>There's a setting, like the rest setting, that improves things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's on.

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<v Speaker 1>But even then, there's still a little tick where I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like older iPads and iPhones would.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go right away. The second-gen sensor from a decade

0:11:03.770 --> 0:11:06.410
<v Speaker 2>ago on the iPhone 6S was pretty gnarly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure they can fix that. Yeah, just give

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<v Speaker 1>it time.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be improvements. I want to see what the iPhone

0:11:12.140 --> 0:11:15.099
<v Speaker 2>Duo operating system improvements are in iOS 28 next year.

0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.550
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if they eventually do a fork. of

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<v Speaker 2>like a Duo OS, I don't think they will, but

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<v Speaker 2>there should be some more pretty cool bells and whistles

0:11:22.790 --> 0:11:25.839
<v Speaker 2>and ideas they add to this thing. So very excited

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<v Speaker 2>to see where they take this thing.

0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.420
<v Speaker 1>All of them are- And the app story is already

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<v Speaker 1>getting much better too.

0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.920
<v Speaker 2>So the app situation, I can count on one hand

0:11:31.980 --> 0:11:34.200
<v Speaker 2>how many apps that I use regularly that have not

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<v Speaker 2>been optimized yet. So I think the app thing has

0:11:36.260 --> 0:11:39.440
<v Speaker 2>been completely overblown. Personally, I think the Touch ID, Face

0:11:39.500 --> 0:11:42.220
<v Speaker 2>ID thing has been completely overblown. You can set five

0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.670
<v Speaker 2>fingers on Touch ID. I have five fingers set, but

0:11:44.690 --> 0:11:46.250
<v Speaker 2>they're not actually five fingers. I have a couple of

0:11:46.270 --> 0:11:48.280
<v Speaker 2>fingers twice. I have the side of my thumb. I

0:11:48.290 --> 0:11:51.679
<v Speaker 2>have the side of my index finger. For me, Face ID,

0:11:51.700 --> 0:11:53.640
<v Speaker 2>the Touch ID has been a non-issue. The outer screen

0:11:53.660 --> 0:11:56.300
<v Speaker 2>has been a non-issue. For me, it's the software quirks.

0:11:56.380 --> 0:11:58.920
<v Speaker 2>The pip for FaceTime not working on the inner display.

0:11:58.940 --> 0:12:01.800
<v Speaker 2>The no share button in Safari. There's just like these

0:12:01.860 --> 0:12:04.319
<v Speaker 2>little things. I can make a list that just is like,

0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.120
<v Speaker 2>did they even test this thing? How long did they

0:12:06.140 --> 0:12:08.080
<v Speaker 2>really use the software for? How long did it take

0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.359
<v Speaker 2>for this to come together? Really is a bit of

0:12:12.380 --> 0:12:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a head scratcher. But the overall experience for me has

0:12:14.900 --> 0:12:19.750
<v Speaker 2>been good. The nano texture... Looks a little washed out.

0:12:20.030 --> 0:12:21.929
<v Speaker 2>It's not perfect. It's not as good as the nano

0:12:21.950 --> 0:12:24.270
<v Speaker 2>texture that I've seen on like my iPad Pro and

0:12:24.290 --> 0:12:26.880
<v Speaker 2>some friends' MacBook Pros. I understand why they did it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like picker poison, right? Like do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to read something outside or do you want

0:12:29.940 --> 0:12:32.719
<v Speaker 1>glare but like slightly more vivid colors?

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<v Speaker 2>I will say the crease thing is a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a lie. I think they weren't super genuine on the crease.

0:12:38.860 --> 0:12:41.100
<v Speaker 2>I think that, you know, I've been using for a week.

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<v Speaker 2>You can really see the crease now. You can see

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<v Speaker 2>and feel it too if you swipe across.

0:12:44.179 --> 0:12:44.420
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:12:44.620 --> 0:12:46.280
<v Speaker 2>And then so when people went to the Apple event,

0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.410
<v Speaker 2>you know, in September to see this thing, Those are

0:12:48.450 --> 0:12:51.490
<v Speaker 2>duos straight out of the box. Right. Maybe never put

0:12:51.530 --> 0:12:54.870
<v Speaker 2>in a box. Right. Crease free. Yeah. And like, it's

0:12:54.910 --> 0:12:56.150
<v Speaker 2>not going to show anything a few folds, but a

0:12:56.190 --> 0:12:57.210
<v Speaker 2>few days it's there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious how it'll look in like, you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>or three months, six months.

0:13:01.130 --> 0:13:03.220
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty curious. But again, if you have Apple care

0:13:03.380 --> 0:13:07.480
<v Speaker 2>one or Apple care. So AppleCare One is 20 bucks

0:13:07.500 --> 0:13:09.559
<v Speaker 2>a month. You get three devices. AppleCare is 20 bucks

0:13:09.580 --> 0:13:11.100
<v Speaker 2>a month for the Duo. You get one device. So

0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.420
<v Speaker 2>don't make a mistake and sign up for AppleCare.

0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Just for the one device.

0:13:14.700 --> 0:13:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Just for the Duo because you're throwing money away. Because

0:13:16.780 --> 0:13:18.319
<v Speaker 2>chances are, if you've got a Duo, you've got other

0:13:18.380 --> 0:13:21.990
<v Speaker 2>Apple devices. The other thing I'll say on Touch ID

0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.790
<v Speaker 2>is the Apple Watch. If you have it open, it

0:13:23.850 --> 0:13:27.570
<v Speaker 2>works instantly. Whereas on my Mac, it never works. So

0:13:27.610 --> 0:13:31.030
<v Speaker 2>that's been a pretty cool experience. But again, not everyone

0:13:31.050 --> 0:13:33.360
<v Speaker 2>has an Apple Watch. So you want to get Touch ID, right.

0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.500
<v Speaker 2>And hopefully, you know, people can log multiple fingers and

0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.439
<v Speaker 2>the experience will be better for them. So overall, I

0:13:39.460 --> 0:13:42.180
<v Speaker 2>would say it's a, it's a work in progress. The

0:13:42.220 --> 0:13:44.699
<v Speaker 2>software needs some shaking up. And again, this would be

0:13:44.740 --> 0:13:46.979
<v Speaker 2>the benefit of Apple shaking up the release schedule and

0:13:47.020 --> 0:13:49.400
<v Speaker 2>moving faster. Like these AI companies, they come out with

0:13:49.420 --> 0:13:52.400
<v Speaker 2>new models every week, new features every day. Apple has

0:13:52.500 --> 0:13:56.670
<v Speaker 2>their cadence of, you know, software releases in October, December,

0:13:56.710 --> 0:13:58.590
<v Speaker 2>a bigger one in March, a bigger one in September.

0:13:58.950 --> 0:14:01.030
<v Speaker 2>They need to move more quickly and iterate faster to

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<v Speaker 2>bring more features and more bug fixes to this device.

0:14:03.900 --> 0:14:05.020
<v Speaker 1>You would hope some of this would be ironed out

0:14:05.059 --> 0:14:06.680
<v Speaker 1>by like March, you know, February, January.

0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then by the time they ironed it out,

0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.160
<v Speaker 2>you spent two grand plus on this thing. You made

0:14:10.179 --> 0:14:11.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of installment payments on this thing.

0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:12.860
<v Speaker 1>No one forced you to do that.

0:14:12.940 --> 0:14:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about

0:14:15.380 --> 0:14:17.420
<v Speaker 2>the customer. And then by the fall, you've already got

0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the Duo 2 coming out, right? Apple didn't set themselves

0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.940
<v Speaker 2>up well for this cracking situation with Ternus coming out

0:14:23.980 --> 0:14:26.300
<v Speaker 2>and saying that the other foldables are cheap and crappy.

0:14:26.750 --> 0:14:28.890
<v Speaker 2>They didn't set themselves up by taking an extra decade

0:14:28.930 --> 0:14:32.430
<v Speaker 2>over everyone else. And Tom Marriab, who runs hardware engineering,

0:14:32.990 --> 0:14:35.450
<v Speaker 2>before he became head of all hardware engineering, he made

0:14:35.470 --> 0:14:38.960
<v Speaker 2>his way at Apple because he was the durability guy.

0:14:39.340 --> 0:14:40.960
<v Speaker 2>So he came out and did some interviews a few

0:14:40.980 --> 0:14:43.100
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. And he's like, hold us accountable on the crease.

0:14:43.140 --> 0:14:44.620
<v Speaker 2>Hold us accountable on this display.

0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:45.820
<v Speaker 1>People sure are. Yeah.

0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.960
<v Speaker 2>We're holding them accountable. But you know who's not holding

0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.220
<v Speaker 2>him accountable? Some of these influencers basically blaming the customer.

0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.420
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that's right because people have to

0:14:53.460 --> 0:14:54.600
<v Speaker 2>believe what you have to say.

0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:14:55.500 --> 0:14:55.590
<v Speaker 2>So.

0:14:56.130 --> 0:14:57.670
<v Speaker 1>It's a balance. You know, some people just go at

0:14:57.710 --> 0:15:00.489
<v Speaker 1>Apple so hard for any little flaw or issue, and

0:15:00.530 --> 0:15:02.430
<v Speaker 1>it's like this is being blown up into a monstrous

0:15:02.450 --> 0:15:03.410
<v Speaker 1>problem for the device.

0:15:03.430 --> 0:15:05.750
<v Speaker 2>But how do you think the people feel who bought

0:15:05.790 --> 0:15:11.090
<v Speaker 2>this phone, have been excited about it for years, waited

0:15:11.190 --> 0:15:14.320
<v Speaker 2>for it, spent all the money on it, and then

0:15:14.340 --> 0:15:15.930
<v Speaker 2>it breaks, and then they try to go to the

0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.580
<v Speaker 2>Apple store and can't get a new one? I'd be

0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.900
<v Speaker 2>pretty upset. And again, I have no gripe here because

0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.160
<v Speaker 2>this has not happened to me, but I know if

0:15:23.220 --> 0:15:24.180
<v Speaker 2>it did, I would not be happy.

0:15:24.220 --> 0:15:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the key part. Like, Apple should be able

0:15:25.660 --> 0:15:27.830
<v Speaker 1>to just... You just go to the store, swap it out.

0:15:27.990 --> 0:15:30.690
<v Speaker 1>Here's your new one. Hopefully this one won't break. And then,

0:15:30.850 --> 0:15:33.230
<v Speaker 1>you know, just send you on your way.

0:15:33.350 --> 0:15:37.350
<v Speaker 2>For a phone made with this technology, that is new technology,

0:15:37.370 --> 0:15:40.820
<v Speaker 2>that is first generation, they should have allocated a handful

0:15:41.340 --> 0:15:46.220
<v Speaker 2>of iPhone Duo units to every store specifically for swaps.

0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.220
<v Speaker 2>And it does not seem like they did that for

0:15:49.300 --> 0:15:51.500
<v Speaker 2>every location. I think some locations they did it, but

0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.140
<v Speaker 2>it does not seem to have been a uniform policy.

0:15:53.700 --> 0:15:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you, when I got the iPhone X

0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.260
<v Speaker 2>back in 2017, mine was a dud. And I went

0:15:58.300 --> 0:16:00.360
<v Speaker 2>to the Apple store in San Francisco, Union Square at

0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:05.300
<v Speaker 2>the time, flagship store, and they had dedicated allocation of

0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.380
<v Speaker 2>inventory for situations like that. I was in and out

0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.520
<v Speaker 2>with a new phone in minutes. A lot of people

0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't have that luxury for the iPhone Duo this time around.

0:16:11.660 --> 0:16:13.180
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think Apple had that luxury because they

0:16:13.210 --> 0:16:14.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't have enough supply to do that.

0:16:14.380 --> 0:16:15.490
<v Speaker 1>How soon do you see it leveling out?

0:16:16.230 --> 0:16:19.510
<v Speaker 2>In terms of the supply issue? I would say by... No.

0:16:20.490 --> 0:16:22.420
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think They clearly have a goal in

0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.660
<v Speaker 2>mind of January, end of January, right? Because that's the timeline,

0:16:25.700 --> 0:16:27.720
<v Speaker 2>January 25th to 29th when you order a new one.

0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:28.140
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.440
<v Speaker 2>But you got to beat the AI bots at this

0:16:30.500 --> 0:16:32.440
<v Speaker 2>point or get an AI bot to get one or

0:16:32.490 --> 0:16:44.710
<v Speaker 2>camp out. It's pretty gnarly. So the new theory, if

0:16:44.930 --> 0:16:48.810
<v Speaker 2>Apple sends out an event invite for a Wednesday event,

0:16:49.650 --> 0:16:53.369
<v Speaker 2>it means they've got three days of product announcements, and

0:16:53.390 --> 0:16:55.330
<v Speaker 2>they want to cap it off with the biggest announcement

0:16:55.370 --> 0:16:58.050
<v Speaker 2>that Wednesday, and they want to do a hands-on at

0:16:58.890 --> 0:17:00.770
<v Speaker 2>that Wednesday thing of the new thing, plus what was

0:17:00.810 --> 0:17:03.570
<v Speaker 2>introduced on Monday and Tuesday. They've now done this a

0:17:03.610 --> 0:17:06.290
<v Speaker 2>few times. They did it in March with the, it

0:17:06.330 --> 0:17:12.580
<v Speaker 2>was the iPhone 17E, then the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air,

0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.260
<v Speaker 2>and then they capped it off with the MacBook Neo.

0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.619
<v Speaker 2>They did it a few years ago. They did a

0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.300
<v Speaker 2>three-day of the M4 Mac line. And then again now

0:17:21.340 --> 0:17:23.639
<v Speaker 2>this week, they've done it. So on Monday, we got

0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:28.850
<v Speaker 2>the OLED iPad mini. On Tuesday, we got the new

0:17:29.130 --> 0:17:32.910
<v Speaker 2>iMac and 14-inch MacBook Pro with M6. Really small updates,

0:17:32.950 --> 0:17:35.050
<v Speaker 2>by the way, like chip and chips to a new level.

0:17:35.530 --> 0:17:39.310
<v Speaker 2>And then of course, Wednesday, today, as of this morning,

0:17:39.910 --> 0:17:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the MacBook Pro ProLED XDR display with touch.

0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:45.460
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.480
<v Speaker 2>That's like an Android device level name. But the first

0:17:49.540 --> 0:17:52.910
<v Speaker 2>MacBook Pro with touch. We've been dreaming about this. Apple's

0:17:52.930 --> 0:17:54.770
<v Speaker 2>been telling us for 20 years, you don't want this.

0:17:54.810 --> 0:17:56.109
<v Speaker 2>You don't need this. It's bad for you.

0:17:56.170 --> 0:17:56.889
<v Speaker 1>It's uncomfortable.

0:17:56.910 --> 0:18:00.730
<v Speaker 2>It's horrible. They laughed at you. They questioned how you

0:18:00.750 --> 0:18:03.510
<v Speaker 2>could ask such a thing. And they just did it

0:18:03.970 --> 0:18:06.000
<v Speaker 2>and then did nothing to fix the problems that they

0:18:06.060 --> 0:18:06.920
<v Speaker 2>said were there.

0:18:07.470 --> 0:18:08.770
<v Speaker 1>They have a little bit.

0:18:08.890 --> 0:18:11.450
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's get to that. Let's start Monday. Sure. Okay,

0:18:11.630 --> 0:18:13.620
<v Speaker 2>iPad mini OLED. Are you an iPad mini guy? Because

0:18:13.650 --> 0:18:14.409
<v Speaker 2>I know there's like a.

0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.020
<v Speaker 1>I'm a 13-inch iPad Pro person, so definitely not on

0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the mini front. And I feel like this also fills

0:18:19.380 --> 0:18:21.219
<v Speaker 1>that need for me now, the Duo. So I don't

0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.879
<v Speaker 1>really see myself buying a mini in the future. But

0:18:23.900 --> 0:18:25.939
<v Speaker 1>it's certainly much cheaper than the iPhone Duo. So there

0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.199
<v Speaker 1>is a market for it. It's a good e-reader. And

0:18:29.220 --> 0:18:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it's nice. It's a 60-hertz OLED, which people

0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.470
<v Speaker 1>are not thrilled about in this world of 120-hertz screens

0:18:36.510 --> 0:18:39.120
<v Speaker 1>everywhere you look. So I'm not sure why Apple held

0:18:39.150 --> 0:18:41.620
<v Speaker 1>that back. Maybe because the iPad Pro, they want people

0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.320
<v Speaker 1>to buy that instead. But on the whole, it's a

0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.919
<v Speaker 1>nice mini. It's water-resistant for the first time, so you

0:18:47.940 --> 0:18:50.180
<v Speaker 1>can take it poolside and not have to fret about

0:18:50.220 --> 0:18:53.210
<v Speaker 1>anything happening to it. But the price is a little.

0:18:53.210 --> 0:18:56.470
<v Speaker 2>700 bucks. Still, I think it's a fantastic little machine.

0:18:56.490 --> 0:18:56.810
<v Speaker 1>Agreed.

0:18:57.030 --> 0:19:00.590
<v Speaker 2>And I think that for e-reading, for using on the subway,

0:19:00.690 --> 0:19:04.480
<v Speaker 2>using on the bus, I think for kids to some extent,

0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.180
<v Speaker 2>especially with the water and dust resistance... I think it's

0:19:07.340 --> 0:19:10.880
<v Speaker 2>a fricking cool little tablet and I'm excited to play

0:19:10.900 --> 0:19:13.700
<v Speaker 2>with it. OLED obviously on there. So it's a stunner

0:19:13.820 --> 0:19:16.699
<v Speaker 2>on the display wise, the 700 is a little steep, uh,

0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:18.720
<v Speaker 2>but it's a nice little product. You've got the eight

0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.020
<v Speaker 2>20 pro in there, which is a nice big jump

0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.459
<v Speaker 2>from the eight 17 pro had previously 60 Hertz, you know,

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.290
<v Speaker 2>is not, is not, it's not great. Um, so we're

0:19:28.330 --> 0:19:31.770
<v Speaker 2>sort of in between a baseline tablet and a pro device.

0:19:32.030 --> 0:19:33.990
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm excited to see how the iPad line

0:19:34.030 --> 0:19:36.929
<v Speaker 2>continues to evolve. So what's next for the iPad? In

0:19:36.970 --> 0:19:39.180
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of next year, so in the first half

0:19:39.220 --> 0:19:42.959
<v Speaker 2>of next year, you'll see a refresh to the base iPad,

0:19:43.740 --> 0:19:45.930
<v Speaker 2>which really is desperate for an update. It's been a

0:19:45.970 --> 0:19:49.150
<v Speaker 2>really long time. iPad Air is going OLED as well.

0:19:49.869 --> 0:19:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and so it'll match the the iPad mini there because

0:19:52.380 --> 0:19:54.020
<v Speaker 2>right now the iPad mini is better than the iPad

0:19:54.580 --> 0:19:56.260
<v Speaker 2>Air which you know doesn't make a lot of sense

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<v Speaker 2>and the iPad Pro which has had the tandem OLED

0:19:59.100 --> 0:20:00.340
<v Speaker 2>since 2024 um I have the M4 iPad Pro that

0:20:00.980 --> 0:20:07.590
<v Speaker 2>thing's awesome Right? I know you have the M5 version.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the favorite screen I own. Right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's fantastic. You know, that's like my ideal device for

0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 2>watching video on. And so you'll see a new iPad

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<v Speaker 2>Pro as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see dust and water systems coming to the

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<v Speaker 1>Pro at some point? Or is it too big to

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<v Speaker 1>really make that practical?

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<v Speaker 2>That I don't know. But what is coming or should

0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.859
<v Speaker 2>be coming is a vapor chamber. And so, you know,

0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.680
<v Speaker 2>it's a really thin device. I have not experienced a

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.410
<v Speaker 2>lot of overheating on mine, though. But clearly, if you're

0:20:32.430 --> 0:20:33.920
<v Speaker 2>pushing that thing to the limits and you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>put a new M-series.

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<v Speaker 1>Chip in there. Video editing or like hardcore gaming, then

0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.219
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you can make it heat up. Yeah. Facebook. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the vapor chamber makes sense, right? They're putting

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:48.680
<v Speaker 2>the vapor chamber in all their Pro products at this point. So, okay. Tuesday.

0:20:49.859 --> 0:20:51.420
<v Speaker 2>M6 MacBook Pro 14-inch.

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<v Speaker 1>This was kind of the snoozer day.

0:20:52.980 --> 0:20:55.980
<v Speaker 2>It was the snoozer day. They wanted to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>sandwich the snooze in between the two biggies. So the

0:21:00.540 --> 0:21:05.060
<v Speaker 2>14-inch MacBook Pro got nothing other than updated Bluetooth, updated Wi-Fi,

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.409
<v Speaker 2>updated wireless chip, and the M6 processor. And they're on

0:21:09.430 --> 0:21:13.310
<v Speaker 2>this yearly cadence for this 14-inch MacBook Pro. It doesn't

0:21:13.430 --> 0:21:15.770
<v Speaker 2>make a ton of sense as a product, but people

0:21:15.790 --> 0:21:19.570
<v Speaker 2>love the MacBook Pro brand. And people love using them

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<v Speaker 2>in schools and businesses and whatnot. And so moving from

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<v Speaker 2>every chip generation to the next one for that device

0:21:25.770 --> 0:21:30.730
<v Speaker 2>makes sense. And they're planning a redesign. of the baseline

0:21:30.750 --> 0:21:34.810
<v Speaker 2>14-inch MacBook Pro for next year, K104, to fit an

0:21:34.930 --> 0:21:38.290
<v Speaker 2>updated lighter frame, updated feature sets that you saw with

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<v Speaker 2>the Touch MacBook Pros we were talking about in just

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<v Speaker 2>a minute. Why do you think it exists? Because it's

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<v Speaker 2>just basically like, it's the same chipset as a MacBook Air,

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<v Speaker 2>but a little nicer, but a lot more expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is still a nice screen. You know,

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.540
<v Speaker 1>it's been superseded today by the OLED, but as far

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.720
<v Speaker 1>as an LCD screen, that's about the best you can get.

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.540
<v Speaker 1>So it is nice for watching movies on. You know,

0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:01.170
<v Speaker 1>it is sharp and bright. Um, and I guess, you know, uh,

0:22:01.190 --> 0:22:03.090
<v Speaker 1>for like sustained performance, if you really want to push

0:22:03.130 --> 0:22:05.290
<v Speaker 1>the chip and you get slightly more there than you

0:22:05.310 --> 0:22:07.369
<v Speaker 1>would like on the air, for example, which tends to

0:22:07.390 --> 0:22:09.220
<v Speaker 1>throttle down a little bit, uh, the more you push it.

0:22:09.750 --> 0:22:11.449
<v Speaker 1>So it's got like a reason for being, I just

0:22:11.490 --> 0:22:13.199
<v Speaker 1>don't think like people like you and I are obviously

0:22:13.220 --> 0:22:16.500
<v Speaker 1>not going to buy the base level 14 inch MacBook pro, but, uh, but,

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:17.540
<v Speaker 1>but people certainly do.

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.580
<v Speaker 2>You'll also see a new MacBook Neo, uh, and a

0:22:20.619 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 2>new MacBook air in the first half of next year

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.420
<v Speaker 2>as well. Um, I don't know if they're the same

0:22:25.460 --> 0:22:28.409
<v Speaker 2>time as the refreshed base 14 inch MacBook pro. But

0:22:28.430 --> 0:22:31.570
<v Speaker 2>those are coming. The iMac. That's getting a little bit

0:22:31.609 --> 0:22:34.919
<v Speaker 2>long in the tooth, right? Because the iMac was last

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:42.620
<v Speaker 2>redesigned April, May of 2021. It had the M1 chip.

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.659
<v Speaker 2>And so they've refreshed the iMac in terms of colors

0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:49.330
<v Speaker 2>one time. So they've done iMac M1, M3, M4, and

0:22:49.390 --> 0:22:51.310
<v Speaker 2>now M6. It's been two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Same colors as the last.

0:22:52.730 --> 0:22:56.850
<v Speaker 2>Same colors as the last two rounds, right? And so they...

0:22:57.470 --> 0:22:59.570
<v Speaker 2>They need to do something. I think the iMac design

0:22:59.609 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 2>is really nice. It's getting a little dated. And of course,

0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:04.639
<v Speaker 2>we need the big one. They've looked at an iMac Pro.

0:23:04.700 --> 0:23:06.240
<v Speaker 2>They've had iMac Pros internally.

0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Bringing back the 27.

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.580
<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, how awesome would a 27-inch or 30-inch be?

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Put a Pro or a Max or even an Ultra

0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.810
<v Speaker 2>chip in there, make it a high-end all-in-one. Yeah. That

0:23:15.850 --> 0:23:17.770
<v Speaker 2>would sell really well. But they are looking at an

0:23:17.810 --> 0:23:20.010
<v Speaker 2>OLED iMac that I can tell you as well, but

0:23:20.030 --> 0:23:22.169
<v Speaker 2>I still think that's a few years away. Okay. So

0:23:22.190 --> 0:23:23.150
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's the next big change.

0:23:23.210 --> 0:23:23.650
<v Speaker 1>Intriguing.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you use an iMac?

0:23:24.990 --> 0:23:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't. I don't. I mean, I've got

0:23:26.660 --> 0:23:29.740
<v Speaker 1>the MacBook Pro, the iPad Pro, and I've got a

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:33.500
<v Speaker 1>Mac Studio at home. So that's my beastly home PC

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.870
<v Speaker 1>when I need it. But by and large, I just

0:23:35.890 --> 0:23:38.590
<v Speaker 1>use the portable stuff. And that tends to work pretty well.

0:23:39.330 --> 0:23:42.110
<v Speaker 2>I was always an iMac guy. And then I pivoted to.

0:23:42.130 --> 0:23:43.530
<v Speaker 1>Same for a long time. Back when they were metal

0:23:43.570 --> 0:23:45.730
<v Speaker 1>and glass, I had quite a few versions of those.

0:23:45.780 --> 0:23:48.780
<v Speaker 1>But this new thin at home, it seems more like

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 1>an office computer.

0:23:49.619 --> 0:23:50.740
<v Speaker 2>It's a family machine.

0:23:51.270 --> 0:23:53.169
<v Speaker 1>Or a family machine like a doctor's office computer.

0:23:53.330 --> 0:23:55.750
<v Speaker 2>Like you walk into a place, a salon or whatever,

0:23:55.790 --> 0:23:57.010
<v Speaker 2>and they're checking people in on the iMac.

0:23:57.050 --> 0:23:59.410
<v Speaker 1>A studio like this would have the iMac. Yeah.

0:23:59.650 --> 0:24:01.770
<v Speaker 2>But it's a good machine. There's nothing wrong with it.

0:24:02.980 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 2>But I definitely think there's room for a pro version

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:06.060
<v Speaker 2>of this.

0:24:06.460 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Bigger.

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.859
<v Speaker 2>It used to be a very consumer machine. Then it

0:24:10.900 --> 0:24:14.580
<v Speaker 2>became a prosumer machine. And now it's like purely a

0:24:14.619 --> 0:24:16.119
<v Speaker 2>consumer product.

0:24:16.140 --> 0:24:17.740
<v Speaker 1>Family thing through and through. Family thing.

0:24:17.820 --> 0:24:19.580
<v Speaker 2>So I would really like to see a larger iMac.

0:24:20.010 --> 0:24:21.449
<v Speaker 2>With more powerful chips. So hopefully we get that.

0:24:21.470 --> 0:24:23.369
<v Speaker 1>Size aside, how else would you change it? Like what

0:24:23.390 --> 0:24:25.290
<v Speaker 1>other tweaks would you make? It's already pretty thin.

0:24:25.330 --> 0:24:29.409
<v Speaker 2>Well, the design is great. Needs more ports, right? More IO.

0:24:29.910 --> 0:24:33.990
<v Speaker 2>But that comes in to effect when they ultimately, if

0:24:34.010 --> 0:24:36.850
<v Speaker 2>they do a pro version. I'm curious if they'll make

0:24:36.890 --> 0:24:39.469
<v Speaker 2>it so it's like the Microsoft Studio, right? You can

0:24:39.510 --> 0:24:41.369
<v Speaker 2>pull it down and do touch manipulation on it. That

0:24:41.390 --> 0:24:43.690
<v Speaker 2>would be nice. But OLED is obviously the other thing.

0:24:44.350 --> 0:24:46.370
<v Speaker 2>And then it's a great video conferencing machine. So maybe

0:24:46.390 --> 0:24:48.190
<v Speaker 2>they can go a little crazy on the camera specs.

0:24:48.430 --> 0:24:48.570
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:24:48.810 --> 0:24:50.090
<v Speaker 2>That would be nice too. How would you change it?

0:24:51.250 --> 0:24:54.449
<v Speaker 1>I think the same points, mostly ports, ports, ports, you know,

0:24:54.470 --> 0:24:57.369
<v Speaker 1>the more I have, the more I'm happy. But as

0:24:57.410 --> 0:24:59.350
<v Speaker 1>far as like speed, you know, the usual stuff, touchscreen

0:24:59.369 --> 0:25:01.250
<v Speaker 1>would be nice. But I feel like that would be

0:25:01.310 --> 0:25:03.670
<v Speaker 1>less like less friendly to like just holding up for

0:25:04.190 --> 0:25:07.669
<v Speaker 1>long periods of time, tapping the desktop screen. But, you know,

0:25:08.650 --> 0:25:10.230
<v Speaker 1>we'll see how far it goes. Hopefully the iMac, it

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:14.130
<v Speaker 1>does make sense eventually to have like some pro-level built-in

0:25:14.210 --> 0:25:14.970
<v Speaker 1>screen desktop.

0:25:15.290 --> 0:25:18.909
<v Speaker 2>So you just used the new Touch MacBook Pro ProLED XDR.

0:25:19.070 --> 0:25:19.230
<v Speaker 1>I did.

0:25:19.540 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 2>How the hell is it?

0:25:20.540 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>That screen is gorgeous. Yeah. I mean, just like, that's

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the first thing you notice. So as soon as you

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.260
<v Speaker 1>open it up, you see the glowing logo, which is

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.659
<v Speaker 1>such a fun callback to the old school MacBook Pros.

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.420
<v Speaker 1>But the front is all modern. Like that OLED screen

0:25:33.980 --> 0:25:36.740
<v Speaker 1>is just so stunning to look at. Touch, you know,

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>there are so many people on X and Twitter saying,

0:25:39.500 --> 0:25:42.179
<v Speaker 1>I don't need a touchscreen. So then, You don't have

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.709
<v Speaker 1>to use it. You don't have to use touchscreen to

0:25:45.530 --> 0:25:47.530
<v Speaker 1>have this be a great laptop. It just looks stunning.

0:25:47.810 --> 0:25:50.209
<v Speaker 1>It's powerful. It's so much lighter. That's the main thing.

0:25:50.230 --> 0:25:52.070
<v Speaker 1>When you hold it, you do feel that weight difference

0:25:52.090 --> 0:25:55.150
<v Speaker 1>for sure. Thinner, maybe a little bit, sure, but that

0:25:55.190 --> 0:25:57.730
<v Speaker 1>weight is there and clear for sure.

0:25:58.010 --> 0:26:01.649
<v Speaker 2>They re-architected the interior significantly. Even though this new MacBook

0:26:01.690 --> 0:26:05.290
<v Speaker 2>Pro looks the same, it's a complete end-to-end overhaul. There

0:26:05.330 --> 0:26:06.330
<v Speaker 2>is a new, and I don't know if they talked

0:26:06.350 --> 0:26:08.490
<v Speaker 2>about this at the event, a new air cooling system.

0:26:08.890 --> 0:26:12.370
<v Speaker 2>There's a new hinge system for better stability. And some

0:26:12.390 --> 0:26:14.129
<v Speaker 2>of the air is able to travel through to the

0:26:14.170 --> 0:26:16.430
<v Speaker 2>back of the hinge and out the backside now as well.

0:26:16.510 --> 0:26:17.170
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:17.570 --> 0:26:19.550
<v Speaker 2>And so they've done a nice job there. And then

0:26:19.590 --> 0:26:22.170
<v Speaker 2>having more space inside the casing as well is going

0:26:22.190 --> 0:26:24.470
<v Speaker 2>to allow the performance and better sustained performance.

0:26:24.570 --> 0:26:25.409
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:25.990 --> 0:26:26.859
<v Speaker 2>This is a nice machine.

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like there are no downgrades or like compromises, honestly.

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 1>It's just a much better screen that you can touch.

0:26:31.180 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 1>But otherwise, just a much... Yeah.

0:26:33.300 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 2>So tell me about the operating system, the touch interface.

0:26:36.980 --> 0:26:38.919
<v Speaker 2>What is it like using touch on there? What are

0:26:38.940 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 2>those cool little bells and whistles and tricks?

0:26:40.580 --> 0:26:40.820
<v Speaker 1>What is.

0:26:41.230 --> 0:26:41.970
<v Speaker 2>What is the experience?

0:26:42.060 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty conservative. So when you touch it, there's more

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.020
<v Speaker 1>space in vertical menus between items. So you can actually

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>tap things fairly easily. When you press and hold the

0:26:49.859 --> 0:26:53.179
<v Speaker 1>stoplights to close and maximize an app, those get bigger.

0:26:54.180 --> 0:26:58.210
<v Speaker 1>But there's no vast system-wide changes that make it touch.

0:26:58.810 --> 0:26:59.630
<v Speaker 2>What about the menu bar?

0:27:00.550 --> 0:27:03.129
<v Speaker 1>The menu bar? Yeah, it's a bit more spaced out

0:27:03.150 --> 0:27:05.969
<v Speaker 1>than before. But again, nothing too major. And so when

0:27:05.990 --> 0:27:07.669
<v Speaker 1>you touch it, it's spaced out. But if you use

0:27:07.690 --> 0:27:09.860
<v Speaker 1>the trackpad, it's not as normal.

0:27:10.180 --> 0:27:11.860
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they've done a good job.

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.100
<v Speaker 1>They know if you're touching or just using a trackpad

0:27:14.140 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>or a mouse. So you don't have to touch the

0:27:15.859 --> 0:27:18.300
<v Speaker 1>machine at all, and it'll just work like always. But

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>if you do, things are a bit more spaced out

0:27:20.060 --> 0:27:23.220
<v Speaker 1>and touch-friendly, but it's not like a drastic level UX-wide

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.969
<v Speaker 1>thing that's being forced on all buyers. So it's there

0:27:25.990 --> 0:27:27.310
<v Speaker 1>if you want it, and if you just want to

0:27:27.350 --> 0:27:29.429
<v Speaker 1>buy it and not touch it ever, then you can

0:27:29.450 --> 0:27:31.909
<v Speaker 1>do that and still have this gorgeous OLED screen that

0:27:31.950 --> 0:27:33.010
<v Speaker 1>is really, really great to use.

0:27:33.210 --> 0:27:35.810
<v Speaker 2>There's a few reasons why they're finally doing touch. I

0:27:35.850 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 2>think Tim Cook basically just got tired of of being

0:27:39.619 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 2>asked when is Touch coming to the MacBook Pro. I mean,

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 2>he's been pretty open about it internally as like, this

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.020
<v Speaker 2>is like the big user request. This is the biggest,

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, low-hanging fruit. Let's just do it. It doesn't

0:27:49.540 --> 0:27:52.740
<v Speaker 2>really matter that Steve Jobs and myself and we, you know,

0:27:52.820 --> 0:27:55.230
<v Speaker 2>sort of poo-pooed this idea for years. Let's just do it.

0:27:55.619 --> 0:27:58.540
<v Speaker 2>It is a table stakes spec sheet item across the

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:02.360
<v Speaker 2>PC laptop industry at this point. And so it's something

0:28:02.380 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>they just had to do. The implementation seems like they

0:28:06.020 --> 0:28:07.790
<v Speaker 2>did a good job. They didn't go over the top.

0:28:07.830 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 2>It seems like it's right in their user flow.

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:10.780
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

0:28:10.820 --> 0:28:12.590
<v Speaker 2>And so I think it'll be a popular feature.

0:28:12.830 --> 0:28:13.310
<v Speaker 1>I really do.

0:28:13.770 --> 0:28:15.550
<v Speaker 2>What do you see people using it for? Like, I

0:28:15.570 --> 0:28:17.470
<v Speaker 2>don't think they're going to do the garage band piano

0:28:17.490 --> 0:28:19.210
<v Speaker 2>thing on this. This is going to be for pinching

0:28:19.230 --> 0:28:20.109
<v Speaker 2>and zooming on photos.

0:28:20.290 --> 0:28:22.169
<v Speaker 1>For pinching and zooming, photo editing is great. I think

0:28:22.210 --> 0:28:22.790
<v Speaker 1>video editing.

0:28:23.350 --> 0:28:24.310
<v Speaker 2>Moving the timeline.

0:28:24.350 --> 0:28:26.290
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the timeline stuff is great. So there is like

0:28:26.790 --> 0:28:29.389
<v Speaker 1>super useful things that this can do that like your

0:28:29.410 --> 0:28:32.210
<v Speaker 1>MacBook right now cannot. But if you don't like want

0:28:32.230 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>a touchscreen, if you're a coder, then maybe it's not

0:28:34.460 --> 0:28:36.719
<v Speaker 1>super useful. But even they're like building apps and like

0:28:36.820 --> 0:28:39.390
<v Speaker 1>iPhone mirroring. is so much more useful now. Oh, did

0:28:39.410 --> 0:28:42.010
<v Speaker 1>you try that? Yeah, it works. Yeah, it's great.

0:28:42.050 --> 0:28:44.060
<v Speaker 2>And also like running iPad apps on macOS.

0:28:44.100 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that just feels like so much more intuitive and

0:28:46.060 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>natural now since you can actually touch it.

0:28:49.700 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 2>They've basically worked around, you know, the real reason they

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>never wanted to do this was because they didn't want

0:28:54.180 --> 0:28:56.380
<v Speaker 2>to compromise sales of both the Mac and the iPad.

0:28:56.660 --> 0:28:58.110
<v Speaker 2>But at some point you have to make the iPad

0:28:58.140 --> 0:28:59.290
<v Speaker 2>as good as it can be. And at some point

0:28:59.310 --> 0:29:00.370
<v Speaker 2>you have to make the Mac as good as it

0:29:00.550 --> 0:29:02.730
<v Speaker 2>can be. And part of that is implementing a touch

0:29:02.770 --> 0:29:05.030
<v Speaker 2>OLED display. You can't worry that that is going to

0:29:05.190 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 2>cannibalize sales of the other products. Seeing the introduction of

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>this MacBook Pro, like I knew this was going to

0:29:09.700 --> 0:29:11.740
<v Speaker 2>be the case, but actually seeing it in practice today,

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.110
<v Speaker 2>this is not going to compromise iPad sales at all.

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.270
<v Speaker 1>People were hyped. The room was very exciting.

0:29:17.870 --> 0:29:19.950
<v Speaker 2>Well, of course the room was very excited. They had

0:29:19.970 --> 0:29:26.210
<v Speaker 2>about a few media members, right? And then 80% of

0:29:26.230 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>the room was influencers coming to this event on Apple's dime, right?

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:34.410
<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's why people were.

0:29:34.430 --> 0:29:35.470
<v Speaker 1>Probably had something to do with it.

0:29:35.610 --> 0:29:36.190
<v Speaker 2>But me.

0:29:36.250 --> 0:29:37.870
<v Speaker 1>Like this is just like a fun product. Yeah.

0:29:37.950 --> 0:29:39.450
<v Speaker 2>No, I love it. I ordered one.

0:29:39.690 --> 0:29:39.850
<v Speaker 1>I am.

0:29:39.980 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Psyched for this. I've been waiting for this for years.

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:43.300
<v Speaker 2>You can put me at the top of the list

0:29:43.340 --> 0:29:46.060
<v Speaker 2>of people who wanted a touchscreen MacBook Pro. It's about

0:29:46.100 --> 0:29:49.330
<v Speaker 2>damn time, as LeBron James would say. And I think

0:29:49.370 --> 0:29:50.890
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be a phenomenal product. But I

0:29:50.990 --> 0:29:54.310
<v Speaker 2>am a little, you know, concerned because some people think

0:29:54.330 --> 0:29:56.610
<v Speaker 2>the price is kind of steep. $ 2899 starting price for

0:29:56.630 --> 0:29:56.830
<v Speaker 2>the 14-inch.

0:29:56.870 --> 0:29:56.950
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:29:56.950 --> 0:30:02.660
<v Speaker 2>$ 3399 starting price for the 16-inch.

0:30:02.820 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.490
<v Speaker 2>It's a 16.3 instead of a 16.2 now, by the way.

0:30:05.500 --> 0:30:06.540
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you saw that.

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I did not notice that.

0:30:07.340 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Not a big difference, but biggest MacBook Pro display since

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 2>the 17-inches back in the day.

0:30:11.860 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>By a smidge, yeah.

0:30:12.820 --> 0:30:15.100
<v Speaker 2>And so you're paying a $ 400 premium for OLED in

0:30:15.140 --> 0:30:18.020
<v Speaker 2>touch in a dynamic island. How did they get to that?

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>The OLED probably cost them an extra $ 200 over the mini-LED.

0:30:21.180 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>You double that, you get your 50% margin. Yeah. So,

0:30:23.620 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 2>easy economics.

0:30:24.660 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But that's why they're keeping, like, all the others, like,

0:30:27.020 --> 0:30:28.900
<v Speaker 1>still in the lineup. Yeah. You can buy the non-touch versions. Yeah.

0:30:29.300 --> 0:30:30.980
<v Speaker 2>And those got bigger price hikes in June.

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:31.700
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.820
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, you're already paying, you know, the base

0:30:33.940 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 2>real MacBook Pro.

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:35.260
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:35.340 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 2>That's $ 2, 500. Yeah. The base real 16-inch MacBook Pro is $ 3, 000.

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.670
<v Speaker 2>So in that context, a $ 400 premium does not seem

0:30:42.710 --> 0:30:45.610
<v Speaker 2>that crazy to me. And given the Delta is not

0:30:45.710 --> 0:30:50.990
<v Speaker 2>that wide and how similar in visual design the MacBook

0:30:51.050 --> 0:30:55.130
<v Speaker 2>Pro Pro is versus the normal MacBook Pro, you got

0:30:55.150 --> 0:30:56.930
<v Speaker 2>to bet they're going to converge on these things probably

0:30:56.970 --> 0:30:58.930
<v Speaker 2>as early as the end of next year. Yeah, perhaps.

0:30:59.190 --> 0:31:01.030
<v Speaker 1>But I'm looking forward to checking it out, you know, more.

0:31:01.570 --> 0:31:03.830
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I've held it and it's super lightweight. But

0:31:03.850 --> 0:31:07.930
<v Speaker 1>the screen is just like, it's very, very, very good.

0:31:08.150 --> 0:31:10.210
<v Speaker 2>It's slightly thinner. Does it feel thinner in practice?

0:31:10.850 --> 0:31:13.750
<v Speaker 1>Maybe a smidge, but like, not that much. But the

0:31:13.770 --> 0:31:15.410
<v Speaker 1>weight you definitely feel compared to like, you know, especially

0:31:15.430 --> 0:31:17.130
<v Speaker 1>like the 16-inch, I always cart that thing around at

0:31:17.150 --> 0:31:19.290
<v Speaker 1>the coffee shop. And this is going to feel quite

0:31:19.310 --> 0:31:19.750
<v Speaker 1>a bit better.

0:31:19.790 --> 0:31:21.790
<v Speaker 2>You need like a wagon to take it around with you.

0:31:21.970 --> 0:31:22.710
<v Speaker 1>Essentially, yeah.

0:31:22.750 --> 0:31:25.210
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the 16-inch was a beast. And this is still

0:31:25.250 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 2>a beast. But it's, you know, it's a bit of a,

0:31:28.930 --> 0:31:33.670
<v Speaker 2>a beast on GLP-1s, right? More mobile and slimmer and

0:31:33.870 --> 0:31:34.770
<v Speaker 2>healthier and ready to go.

0:31:35.290 --> 0:31:38.430
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. But the software, it's not super in your face.

0:31:38.450 --> 0:31:40.430
<v Speaker 1>I think they're going to learn how people use this

0:31:40.470 --> 0:31:42.990
<v Speaker 1>over time and make those suites to Mac OS just

0:31:43.100 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>to fix the UX and make things more touch-friendly in

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>places and see what people want as far as tools

0:31:49.660 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and how it works. But overall, they took a pretty

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 1>safe approach to bringing touch to the Mac. It's there.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>It's not in your face. It's not being forced on anyone.

0:31:57.780 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>but it works pretty well.

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:01.140
<v Speaker 2>Well, typically when they come out with a major new

0:32:01.180 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>form factor change, it's the operating system afterwards that seems

0:32:04.420 --> 0:32:07.060
<v Speaker 2>to really take advantage of it. So I haven't heard

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.940
<v Speaker 2>anything to this effect, but you can bet or imagine

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 2>that iOS and Mac OS 28, you'll see big interface

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:18.140
<v Speaker 2>changes for the, you know, touch Mac and the, and

0:32:18.180 --> 0:32:20.780
<v Speaker 2>the iPhone duo, or at least I would hope so. Right.

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:23.330
<v Speaker 1>So. Yeah, for sure. This feels like a halfway, like

0:32:23.350 --> 0:32:26.210
<v Speaker 1>in between year where they like, where they kind of

0:32:26.230 --> 0:32:29.180
<v Speaker 1>work well, But obviously you can tell Apple wants to

0:32:29.220 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>make bigger changes to both of these platforms, the MacBook

0:32:31.900 --> 0:32:33.940
<v Speaker 1>Pro and the iPhone Duo. And I'm sure the next

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.060
<v Speaker 1>version will have so many more refinements that it'll make

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.220
<v Speaker 1>life much better.

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 2>So in addition to, give us a guess, them converging

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:44.620
<v Speaker 2>the touch and non-touch MacBook Pros at the end of

0:32:44.660 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>next year, you're going to see a refresh to this

0:32:46.980 --> 0:32:50.130
<v Speaker 2>MacBook Pro with M7 Pro and M7 Max chips at

0:32:50.150 --> 0:32:52.930
<v Speaker 2>the end of 2027. Significant leaps with a lot of

0:32:52.970 --> 0:32:56.530
<v Speaker 2>new AI stuff and graphic stuff in there, media engine stuff.

0:32:57.020 --> 0:32:59.580
<v Speaker 2>What do you think of the idea that they skipped

0:32:59.620 --> 0:33:02.940
<v Speaker 2>the M6 Pro and M6 Max, which we called, obviously,

0:33:03.420 --> 0:33:06.070
<v Speaker 2>and these recycling the M5 Pro and M5 Max from March?

0:33:06.650 --> 0:33:08.870
<v Speaker 1>It seems kind of curious, but already this silicon is

0:33:08.890 --> 0:33:11.450
<v Speaker 1>just so powerful as is. What are you possibly doing

0:33:11.490 --> 0:33:14.150
<v Speaker 1>that you need a brand new generation to really make

0:33:14.170 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 1>the most of this new MacBook?

0:33:16.470 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Scrolling through apps all night.

0:33:17.940 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Scrolling through apps with your finger. Yeah, I mean, these

0:33:20.740 --> 0:33:24.410
<v Speaker 1>are such powerful machines. Yeah, they're just so capable. And

0:33:24.450 --> 0:33:25.990
<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure, like, once the M7 rolls around, it's

0:33:26.010 --> 0:33:29.260
<v Speaker 1>going to be that much more performant. But, like, I

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>don't mind, like, spending that much money right now to

0:33:30.780 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>have the M5, even though it's old. It's still just

0:33:34.300 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>so fast. And so, yeah, I don't think you're going

0:33:36.260 --> 0:33:38.540
<v Speaker 1>to lose out on much. Like, it's odd to, like,

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 1>have the same chip in there that's been out for

0:33:39.820 --> 0:33:42.239
<v Speaker 1>a while. But there's so much else new about this

0:33:42.310 --> 0:33:43.830
<v Speaker 1>machine that I don't think that's going to really weigh

0:33:43.850 --> 0:33:44.530
<v Speaker 1>on people that much.

0:33:44.850 --> 0:33:49.890
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so 14 or 16, nanotexture or glossy, and space

0:33:49.910 --> 0:33:50.470
<v Speaker 2>black or silver.

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.140
<v Speaker 1>16-inch, because I'm getting older, my eyes are just, you know,

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.940
<v Speaker 1>not what they used to be. And I just like

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.700
<v Speaker 1>having that much, like, just a big screen. So, yeah,

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.870
<v Speaker 1>that's my choice. But the 14-inch is so light. So, like,

0:34:02.910 --> 0:34:04.630
<v Speaker 1>if you want, like, a portable thing to take anywhere

0:34:04.650 --> 0:34:05.510
<v Speaker 1>for travel, I think.

0:34:05.530 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what the iPad Pro is for.

0:34:06.570 --> 0:34:08.469
<v Speaker 1>That one's out. Yeah, so that's why the 16-inch is

0:34:08.489 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>my choice. Silver, forever. I'm just, like, the silver stand.

0:34:12.140 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I think just silver is just so classic Mac. And

0:34:14.940 --> 0:34:17.299
<v Speaker 1>plus black will, like, scratch and, you know, it's not.

0:34:17.700 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Boke the analyzation.

0:34:18.780 --> 0:34:21.819
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. So, That happens to look silver anyway underneath.

0:34:21.890 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>So just get silver. It's timeless. It's classy. That's my recommendation.

0:34:25.860 --> 0:34:29.460
<v Speaker 1>And the screen, definitely nanotexture. Once I went to that,

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.100
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to go back to glossy. I mean, maybe

0:34:32.140 --> 0:34:34.450
<v Speaker 1>it's a bit more saturated. The colors are a bit

0:34:34.489 --> 0:34:39.230
<v Speaker 1>more vibrant. Maybe the contrast is like slightly higher. But

0:34:39.250 --> 0:34:42.630
<v Speaker 1>I think, I don't know, man. I just love nanotexture, everything.

0:34:42.969 --> 0:34:43.370
<v Speaker 2>It is nice.

0:34:43.390 --> 0:34:45.549
<v Speaker 1>Here on the iPhone Duo, on the MacBook, on the

0:34:45.570 --> 0:34:49.259
<v Speaker 1>studio display, just having no glare is just, it's a

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:49.620
<v Speaker 1>nice life.

0:34:50.050 --> 0:34:50.470
<v Speaker 2>It's nice.

0:34:50.610 --> 0:34:51.430
<v Speaker 1>Costs a lot, but.

0:34:51.430 --> 0:34:52.590
<v Speaker 2>150 bucks.

0:34:53.090 --> 0:34:53.989
<v Speaker 1>You know. Well worth it.

0:34:54.910 --> 0:34:57.259
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So I'm with you on the screen size 16. Okay.

0:34:58.010 --> 0:35:01.620
<v Speaker 2>But not with you on the other stuff. Okay. Going glossy,

0:35:01.660 --> 0:35:04.060
<v Speaker 2>especially on an OLED. I really, you know, if we're

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 2>moving to OLED here and OLED is sort of the

0:35:05.420 --> 0:35:06.720
<v Speaker 2>standout part of this update.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:06.980
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I want to see everything.

0:35:08.700 --> 0:35:08.899
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:10.580
<v Speaker 2>And it's not like I'm working in the middle of

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the forest.

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:11.740
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.379
<v Speaker 2>I'm indoors at a house, an office, or a coffee shop,

0:35:14.780 --> 0:35:15.420
<v Speaker 2>or on an airplane.

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:17.969
<v Speaker 1>Mm-hmm. uh yeah we're just going to be like worse

0:35:18.010 --> 0:35:19.669
<v Speaker 1>as far as like smudges go like once you start

0:35:19.690 --> 0:35:21.690
<v Speaker 1>touching this thing a lot it's like.

0:35:21.910 --> 0:35:24.270
<v Speaker 2>It does it come with a polishing cloth the non-nano texture.

0:35:23.989 --> 0:35:26.130
<v Speaker 1>Uh i'm not sure if the non-nano texture does but

0:35:26.150 --> 0:35:27.509
<v Speaker 1>you would hope so because you're going to be touching

0:35:27.530 --> 0:35:28.129
<v Speaker 1>i don't think it.

0:35:28.070 --> 0:35:29.969
<v Speaker 2>Will i don't think it does they usually reserve those

0:35:29.989 --> 0:35:31.770
<v Speaker 2>for the nano texture at this point but you.

0:35:31.710 --> 0:35:34.530
<v Speaker 1>Don't need to get the polishing cloth yeah.

0:35:34.330 --> 0:35:35.910
<v Speaker 2>Remember when that thing sort of just like hit the

0:35:35.950 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>zeitgeist and it's like the most popular exciting apple product

0:35:38.420 --> 0:35:41.460
<v Speaker 2>um i have one it's a nice cloth yeah well

0:35:42.270 --> 0:35:44.530
<v Speaker 2>And you'll be getting one of these new MacBook Pros soon.

0:35:44.630 --> 0:35:45.630
<v Speaker 2>I will. You'll be reviewing it.

0:35:45.630 --> 0:35:47.710
<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited. I'm going to touch it plenty and

0:35:47.969 --> 0:35:51.750
<v Speaker 1>see how it works, see what the quirks are. And yeah,

0:35:52.170 --> 0:35:52.790
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be great.

0:36:01.010 --> 0:36:03.190
<v Speaker 2>You think touch will stick around. Obviously, the touch bar

0:36:03.210 --> 0:36:04.790
<v Speaker 2>was a massive failure, but this is different.

0:36:05.050 --> 0:36:06.890
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wish the touch bar they'd given like more goes.

0:36:07.130 --> 0:36:08.770
<v Speaker 1>They just kind of like left it the same and

0:36:09.180 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 1>And so, of course, that was not going to work

0:36:10.460 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 1>out great. But I feel like this is going to

0:36:12.300 --> 0:36:14.330
<v Speaker 1>be a pretty fundamental part of the system. Once you

0:36:14.350 --> 0:36:17.029
<v Speaker 1>start building Mac OS changes for it, I feel like

0:36:17.050 --> 0:36:18.549
<v Speaker 1>you're on a road to where it would be kind

0:36:18.570 --> 0:36:20.250
<v Speaker 1>of silly to take it back and say, yeah, you

0:36:20.290 --> 0:36:20.890
<v Speaker 1>know what, this.

0:36:20.830 --> 0:36:22.730
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't... And it's weird at this point. You've got your

0:36:22.750 --> 0:36:26.379
<v Speaker 2>touch phone, your touch tablet, your touch watch, right? Kids

0:36:26.420 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>grow up, they think everything is touch.

0:36:27.940 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are times when I touch my MacBook Pro

0:36:29.820 --> 0:36:31.339
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like, weird habit.

0:36:31.420 --> 0:36:32.819
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't even make sense at this point that it's

0:36:32.860 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>not touchscreen. And so I would expect this is eventually

0:36:34.900 --> 0:36:37.150
<v Speaker 2>going to come down the line. And you'll see premium

0:36:37.190 --> 0:36:40.060
<v Speaker 2>versions of all the Apple Macs at some point within

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:41.260
<v Speaker 2>five years, all will be touch.

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:42.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure. It's long overdue. And like some of these tweaks,

0:36:42.980 --> 0:36:45.299
<v Speaker 1>like the hinge being so sturdy does make a difference.

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.939
<v Speaker 1>Like when you tap it, there's like no wobble release.

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.060
<v Speaker 1>And they're just like nice, like, you know, just like

0:36:50.100 --> 0:36:52.500
<v Speaker 1>small touches. But the screen is really the star of

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.319
<v Speaker 1>the show. You can touch it if you want to.

0:36:54.780 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 1>No one's making you. But yeah, it's OLED.

0:36:57.620 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Do you think they should have gone a little bit

0:36:58.780 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 2>further on the OS?

0:37:01.180 --> 0:37:03.049
<v Speaker 1>I think they will over time. You know, I think like.

0:37:03.370 --> 0:37:03.969
<v Speaker 2>There's more coming.

0:37:04.350 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you were saying, like this is like V1.

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.240
<v Speaker 1>And we're still on GoldenGate, so they couldn't really change

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.690
<v Speaker 1>that much out of hand mid-cycle. So I'm sure they

0:37:11.710 --> 0:37:14.230
<v Speaker 1>will for the next version. But what's there is nice.

0:37:14.790 --> 0:37:16.489
<v Speaker 1>But you can see where they're going to make things

0:37:16.530 --> 0:37:19.029
<v Speaker 1>more touch-friendly for those who use it. And for everybody else,

0:37:19.430 --> 0:37:21.530
<v Speaker 1>use your trackpad and it'll work just like it always has.

0:37:22.070 --> 0:37:23.510
<v Speaker 1>And there are no real huge changes.

0:37:24.190 --> 0:37:26.690
<v Speaker 2>The other thing they finally rolled out, that higher-end Mac Studio,

0:37:27.150 --> 0:37:28.110
<v Speaker 2>the fully-loaded version.

0:37:28.110 --> 0:37:30.540
<v Speaker 1>512 gigs of RAM. So those are, what, north of $ 22, 000?

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Very niche market. It's a niche market. And then you'll

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 2>see an M7 Ultra Mac Studio come out in 2028, right?

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.339
<v Speaker 2>Those are a bit of a year and a half,

0:37:43.460 --> 0:37:46.100
<v Speaker 2>two-year cadence. So looking forward to that.

0:37:46.380 --> 0:37:48.580
<v Speaker 1>I'm just happy that we're finally slowing down this cadence

0:37:48.739 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of just nonstop Apple products. Amazon just put out a

0:37:52.890 --> 0:37:55.609
<v Speaker 1>bucket load of new hardware. So it's been a very,

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:56.850
<v Speaker 1>very busy fall. It's fun.

0:37:57.110 --> 0:37:59.810
<v Speaker 2>It's fun. So November 6th, the new iPad Mini, the

0:37:59.950 --> 0:38:05.760
<v Speaker 2>M6 Max, and the Touch MacBook Pro. November 6th on Friday,

0:38:06.260 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 2>as we expected. Those will be out. Then a week

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>later on November 13th.

0:38:10.500 --> 0:38:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Home View.

0:38:11.060 --> 0:38:12.500
<v Speaker 2>Home View and Apple TV.

0:38:12.780 --> 0:38:14.620
<v Speaker 1>Apple TV 4K. That is way too expensive.

0:38:15.050 --> 0:38:17.089
<v Speaker 2>Last thing. You excited about the Home View?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to trying it. You know, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been like a smart home person. I live in like

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<v Speaker 1>a Brooklyn apartment. So there's only so much like smart

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<v Speaker 1>home gadgetry that I can really take advantage of beyond

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<v Speaker 1>like locks and like lights. But I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>like seeing what it's all about, how it works, how

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<v Speaker 1>it fits into my life. And it's $ 2. 99, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like a huge gamble.

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<v Speaker 2>It's worth a shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's worth a shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Welch, thanks for coming on again.

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<v Speaker 1>Always a pleasure. Give me my badge back. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get me in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is

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<v Speaker 2>mine now. This is mine now. I was there in spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, as you always are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir.

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