WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Morris Day 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:08.800 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. All Right, y'all, 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:12.480 this is gonna be a long one. You ready, And 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.040 I'm talking about the introduction. All right, here we go. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:19.439 All right, let's see how good I am at winging this. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:21.200 Here we go. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:21.960 All right. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.720 So, uh, ladies and gentlemen, this is Quest Love Supreme 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:31.880 and we're with Sugar Steve Laiyah and unpaid Bill fan Tickeelo. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.240 I gotta pour out some wheat grass for the brothers 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.000 who ain't here picnic. Yeah, So I just want to 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:43.040 tell you guys alone, you know, my distinguished QLs CO stars, 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:48.400 that I'm offering in advance a full apology because you 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.960 know we already we already know that I'm cuckoo for 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:57.600 anything purple related. But unlike our distinguished guest today, I'm 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:59.560 throwing all of my cool out the window. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:00.360 Yeah. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.959 All my professionalism and whatever so called journalistic integrity I 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:09.800 had is gone. I'm going fool. Chris Farley, Paul McCartney, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:15.200 SNL interview mode. Right now, you guys aren't encouraged, you're 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.399 encouraging me. Trust me. This is gonna be bad, and 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.280 I'm look. Let me also preface by asking my guests 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.760 to forgive me for all my levels of nerdom for 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.679 this particular episode. Our guest today is probably the last 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:34.080 plank of the original Purple squad or army, to whom 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.640 I have not revealed my true geekdom. I've exhausted my 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:47.280 I've exhausted my batteries on name Jimmy, Sheila Apples, Jill, Mark, Wendy, Lisa, Susannah, Allen, James, Shoot, Bobby, Jesse, Terry, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.920 even Brenda, Susan and I, like Saint Paul, I've exhausted 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.800 my batteries asking dumb ass questions to every member of 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.000 that squad except for our guest today. And that's on purpose. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.920 It's on purpose because I knew there was going to 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:04.760 be a day in which we would get him as 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:11.000 a guest on our esteemed webbee winning podcast. All right, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.560 and so okay, that was the preface. So here's the 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:20.160 actual introduction. Yo, man, you only get this one moment once. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.080 All right, So, ladies and gentlemen. I was as I 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.120 was prepping notes earlier, and notes it's like a small 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.680 post it. As I was prepping notes, I realized that 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.960 almost in every case of history, like once you reached 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:39.280 that twenty year mark revisionist license sort of kicks in. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.120 So that said, I'll say it right here that our 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:47.960 guest is probably my gateway drug to the Purple Kingdom. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.919 And I'm just saying that because I remember when Prince's 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.840 debut was on the radio back in seventy eight, when 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.800 Soft and White debuted on the radio. It was only 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.200 because I remembered it, because because it was literally two 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.120 minutes after my dad had to break the news to 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:08.160 my mother that my grandfather just died. So for the longest, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.280 my Prince association was that song I was listening to 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.120 while my mom was sobbing on the kitchen floor, you know, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.800 crying to death. And so for the next four to 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.840 five years, Prince was more of a fixture on like 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.800 my sister's girlfriend in his bedroom walls and all that 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.640 high school ride on magazine stuff. And don't get me wrong, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.440 I mean I duck some joins as a kid, but 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.639 you know, I was kind of teen Jackson. And then 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.160 shout out to my friend in sixth grade, Reginald Chieves, 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:41.080 who told me that his older brother told him that 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.160 our guest today and Prince were down with each other. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.920 And then he pulls out a radio, one of those 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:52.240 realistic radio shack cheap things, and he transforms my life 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.600 by playing me the entire ten minute version of cool 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.960 and instantly, as a sixth grader, I was upset. I mean, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.520 records were five to ninety nine back then, so I 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.960 mean I broke the piggy bank purchased the album Dahn. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:09.880 You know I turned that I'm down on the bad 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.320 parts whatever. My parents are like super Christian. But the 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.840 next thing I knew, me and my entire sixth grade squad, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.640 for the first time in our lives, had brand new 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.880 heroes to look up to who were not born in Gary, Indiana. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.640 So that entire summer, like all of our Jordash Sergey 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.320 o Valente begging, all that went out the window. And 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.360 thanks to my science teacher who thought that the Time 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.640 guys looked like the second coming of like Louis Jordan 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.760 and the Tempanty five. He told us, well, if you 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.160 guys want to dress like those guys, you gotta go 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.640 to the five and Time. So you know, I've been 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.520 avoiding going to the Goodwill all of my life. No 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:49.039 one wants to go to the Goodwill Salvation Army. But 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.680 now me and my whole crew are privy to a 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.960 secret the world doesn't know about, which is basically, you 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.320 can cop a pair of baggies for five bucks. Look 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.839 sharp as hell. Pull all the Jains in sixth grade. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.680 Shout out to Monocha. Jordan looks, this is just as 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.120 awesome now as fifty as she did when she was ten. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.719 But basically our parts are lated because now we're buying 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.599 all these cheap suits looking good and they don't have 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.320 to spend the money. So yes, only because of our guests. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.880 Our guest gave Prince the green light, not the opposite 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.800 in my world that I gave Prince the green light 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.960 and eighty two and then caught up afterwards, so you know, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.920 because Prince Vans want to swear that they were all 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.480 down since the beginning, and no, make no mistake. If 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.280 it wasn't for Mars e Day, my entire music direction 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.839 probably would have went to either I don't know, Luther 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.960 Manjos or Lelo Thomas. I don't know. God is here 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:42.840 with us, ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.360 Mars e Day. This is probably the longest introduction I've 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:50.960 ever done. It's gonna say I was like it shows 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:52.560 over now. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.680 The disclaimer this is the first. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.559 Right now, but it's okay, yeah, you know. I mean, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.040 when I really love a guess, I'll geek out. So 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.920 thank you. I can't even think you enough. I have 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.560 a gazillient questions. Actually, I want to jump ahead to 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.440 a question I've been dying, dying, dying to know. So 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:16.719 every interview that I've heard you recall your story. Of 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.919 course you get to the part where you realize that 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.080 Prince is about to choose Bobby Z as a drummer 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:28.320 and not you, clearly the more skilled drummer. And you know, 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.479 most Prince fans and most QLs listeners know kind of 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.320 know what time it is whatever, so we kind of 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.880 dig the reason why Prince did the ban outfit the 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.839 way he did, sort of after Slide the Family Stone. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.680 But what I want to know is, in light of 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.480 everything that's happened for you, if you were able to 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.560 have a time machine and this is not even a 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.960 you know, to bring Prince back a live thing, but 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.520 if you were able to get back in the time 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.239 machine and go back to nineteen eighty and you knew 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.280 there was a chance for you to get in the 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.159 revolution as a drummer instead of the path you're on 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.160 right now? What what what? What path are you choosing? 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.600 Are you choosing to still be his drummer or your career? 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.400 Well, first of all, brother quest, I want to thank 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:21.560 you for that that that grand intro, My brother. You know, 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.320 I almost forgot that I was a guest. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:25.160 I was just like. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.000 The host. 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.400 How many pages, you know. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.360 But but that's an interesting question. I liked that question 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.840 because in the moment back then, I definitely would have 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.760 chose to be the drummer because I was all about 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.720 drumming and that was my life, you know, my security blanket, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.200 and that's what I did every day. That's what I 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.080 skipped school to do. That's what I aspired to do. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:08:00.360 But looking back now, you know, hindsight, you know, I'm 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:04.080 glad that I was kind of pushed, if you will, 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.320 into the position that I'm in because you know, I 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:12.360 found another aspect of my abilities that that I. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:13.320 Didn't really know about. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:18.320 Mm okay, because I still feel like, and I try 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.680 to think of the logic, I'm like, wait a minute, 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.000 you were given you were either given a choice to 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:27.640 be like from my personal position, like my dad wanted 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.520 to be opposite for me, my dad wanted me to 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.880 be a session drummer because you know, in my mind, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.880 I'm like, no, I want a career like I don't. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.400 I don't want to drum for Anita Baker, like I 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.520 want to be the guy that owns the stadium that 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.920 she plays it like. I always thought that. So for me, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.360 I was I would just read when you say, like 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.560 a man, he incused me as this drummer, and I'm like, yeah, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.920 but you got something better. But then I thought about it, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:58.920 Maybe playing with Prince as a musician is fun, and 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.880 perhaps in him you found someone that's like a level 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:08.120 of musicianship that you respected. And you know, it wasn't 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.960 about being lucrative or having more money or whatever. It 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.600 was about like, oh, this is where my joy really is. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.760 And so I always wondered that, Well, the thing is, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.200 it wasn't a choice like that. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.920 And I never thought that drumming for Prince would be 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.520 fun because he was probably one of the. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.960 Worst of tax masters. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.320 Yeah, if you will, you know that you could work under. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.680 So it wasn't about that. But at that point I 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.560 never really considered being a lead singer. I was a drummer, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.920 and so that's all I knew, and I wanted to 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.400 play drums, and I'm thinking, you know, my man's got 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.640 this deal. Man, he's like Warner Brothers. He's about to 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.880 hit the big stage. I want to be a part 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.200 of that. And that was, you know, all that I 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:52.280 was thinking about. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:52.800 At that moment. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.920 Okay, okay, I see. So you didn't think like, oh, 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.000 this guy's going to be so prolific that he's going 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.080 to need other outlets and channels to express himself, and 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.600 so I could be that outlet or something. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.640 Yeah, the time didn't exist in that moment, so I 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.520 get it. You know, that came about later, and you know, 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.200 like I said, I'm very glad that it did, because 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.280 you know, I found something that I can do even 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.120 better than drummings. So you know, it all worked out. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.720 We asked when and where did he hear your voice 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:24.880 to think that you needed to make another decision. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.880 You know, we were in a I was in Princes 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.560 Group Grand Central back in the day when we were 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.840 like teenagers, and you know, I would sing a couple 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.240 of songs from the drums and I would even come 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.040 out in front and are percussionists at the time, would 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.280 would go back play drums, I'd come out and sing. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.319 So he knew that I could sing, but he didn't 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.160 know about the front man, you know, but he did. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.479 He's the one responsible. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:50.720 You know. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.600 We tried when we were putting the time together. We 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.480 tried Alexander O'Neil. We tried a handful of other singers 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.520 and it just didn't work out. And so, you know, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.960 Prince was like, well, why don't you do it? And 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.400 you know, I had to like stop and think about that. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.520 I was like, because I'm going to be the drummer 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.320 in the band. He said, no, you need to be 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.319 the singer. I said, I don't know how to lead 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.360 a band. He said, put your hand in your pocket 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.600 and be cool. I said, I can do that. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.679 Good advice, all right. So it's funny to say that 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:29.240 because I'm actually working on I'm working on a book 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.760 right now. There's a part, there's a chapter where I 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:36.719 actually kind of explore the idea of what black cool is. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:42.959 Alice Walker's daughter, Rebecca Walker, she does this, she does 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:47.840 this essay about a woman on the New York subway 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.000 and this black woman gets on She's like gorgeous. She 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.880 sits down and Alice Walker immediately knew that her number 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.880 one weapon was the way that she ignored people. So 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.080 like this drop dead gorgeous walks on the tree, she 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:07.040 sits and immediately Alice Walker notices like five guys like 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.120 kind of oogling her. But the more that she ignores them, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.280 the more that they want her. And it's almost like 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.600 she said that that's the story of black cool, where 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.560 you know, normally we're taught to please and play kate, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.960 you know Motown's things like you know, go to charm school. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.840 You know, we're the right thing. Da da da da da, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:29.079 or you know minstrel se era entertainment where you gotta 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.600 sort of shuck and jive your way into people's hearts 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:36.960 and disarm them, whereas cool is where you're holding everything back, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.000 which leaves mystery and it makes people want to know 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.000 you more, like that sort of thing. It's so weird 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.560 now seeing her her breakdown of what cool means and 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:51.080 now kind of revisiting what the time represented because you know, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.240 I guess for people that weren't around at that period, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.480 like you, you guys to me were kind of what 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.680 NWA thought they were and I don't mean and just 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.480 in terms of you know, NWA ride like the most 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.000 dangerous group of all type. But the thing is is 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:16.319 that they overdid it so it became cartoony and then entertainment, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.520 whereas the time was like dead pan serious like de Niro, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.440 like you don't know if they're serious or not. You don't. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.760 It's like hid your daughters like that sort of thing. So, 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.640 I mean, there was I've never seen a black group 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.599 not so eager to please or sort of like unbothered, 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.600 like you know, we could take her to leave you 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.200 Like That's how it looked to me when I was 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.520 seeing you guys when as a kid, like, oh, these 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.600 guys don't care like which you've just never seen that 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.000 before in a black group, because most black groups like 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.720 were eager, you know, happy to do. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.840 That was that the plan war is like, was that 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.960 the plan y'all already knew what you're cool was gonna be, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.640 and it was no going back and forth as to 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.040 what we're doing and what we're gonna look like and 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.040 how we're gonna rep. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.560 Well, you know, there was an evolution of cool, okay, 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.920 and quite like Quest was saying, and in the very beginning, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.960 it was a very laid back cool where people had 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.640 to invite themselves into the room with us. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.319 But you know, I think you. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.600 Know, as it evolved, you know, it became more of 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.080 an extrovert type of cool, and you know, it was 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:19.680 just it was an evolution. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.840 But yeah, we definitely, you know, back in the early 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:25.840 days had that mystique. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.840 It's like, you know, when we did, when I did 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.160 do my laugh or whatever, you know, it's like, is 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:32.240 he laughing? 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:32.360 What? 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.640 You know, what's he laughing about? You know what does 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:36.160 what time? 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:36.760 Is it mean? 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.160 You know what is all this about? So you know, 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.000 we kind of had people guessing, you know. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.160 Wanting wanting to be in on the joke. Yeah. Yeah, 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:45.960 I made you want to be down with them that way. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.360 I think Maris, what was your what was your first 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:50.440 musical memory? 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:52.800 It went way back. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.440 You know, because I kind of just came into the 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.720 world with the notion that I was going to be 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:06.120 involved with music, you know, born in fifty six, you know, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.360 and I can remember listening to the Beatles on our 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.360 little am radio that we had, and you know, then 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.640 later I remember doing you know the James Brown running 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.920 around my you know, the house in the projects and 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.400 fruit of the looms on doing the splits trying to 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.440 do James Brown and all that, and then sixty four 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.760 comes around. We were one of the first, you know, 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.040 let you know how what priorities were back then, but 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.880 we had one of the first color TVs in the projects, 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:40.040 so all that. Back then, I was watching bandstand man 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.640 and I'm watching the Supremes at four tops, you know, 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.960 all these motown acts on bandstand and I was like, 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.120 that's what I want to do, you know. So those 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.000 were my early memories, you know, of music. But I 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.040 just it was just. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.720 In my blood, okay. And what was it about the 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.280 drums that? How did you come to be a drummer? 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.440 And were there any other instruments that you played? 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.040 Yeah, I went through them all, you know, I went 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:12.080 through I wanted to play drums first and foremost, but 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:17.360 you know, you probably know in school, everybody takes drums first. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.120 So the drums were never available, you know, and I 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.080 was always late to register for what I wanted to play. So, 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.640 you know, I played the saxophone. I got pretty good 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.000 at that. That was the first time I got invited 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.960 to be in a band, but I didn't want to 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.880 play saxophone in a band, so I passed on that 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.600 then I went to the bass. The only base they 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.480 had was the upright bass. I said, well, I'm not 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:48.080 lugging this home to practice. So you know, I played 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.920 a few different instruments, but the drums just stood out, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.040 you know, And so I beat on my mom's couch 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.160 and pots and pans until she finally caved in and 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.800 bought me my first drum set. And you know it 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:03.160 was that was just really love at. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.439 First sight or whatever you want to call it. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:06.480 But that was it for me. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.960 So I know that you're a left handed drummer along 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.440 with Jellybean is also a left handed drummer, or at 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:20.560 least am I assuming that you're also left handed? I am, okay, 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.720 that's weird. I'm left handed too, but still I play. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:28.520 I play drums in traditional way. Yeah yeah, so or 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.760 yeah backhanded. The thing is is that you know, I 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:36.919 first saw my first backhanded drummer, like in the late seventies. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:41.240 So like when you're setting up the drums and you 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.640 decide that this is the way I want to face 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.080 and this is my positioning, Like no one tried to 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.320 correct you and say, well you should be ambidexterrous or 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.359 drum on both sides. Or like, how did you wind 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.760 up drumming what we would call and reverse? 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.000 They say, Brother, you asking me questions that make me 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.399 question myself. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:05.960 Right now, welcome to quest love, superior. Man, this ain't 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.280 gonna be the So tell us about junkle love. I 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.560 already told you you've heard that question. But I already 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.120 told you, man, I'm a nerd out. 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.760 No, for real, I appreciate that. I don't know. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.679 I just think when I got my first drum set, 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.439 you know, I'm down in the basement, you know, pulling 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.480 out the box and setting it up, and I just 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:31.399 gravitated toward having my snare, you know, on on my 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.280 right side. And you know, I just that's just how 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.440 I set them up, and I just continue. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:37.760 To play that way. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.640 Okay, So doesn't that make it hard to quote casually 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.879 sit in like, do you have the ability to actually 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.160 play the opposite way? 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:47.440 No? 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.920 No, I always you know, I can't switch the whole 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.960 set around, but I can at. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.920 Least switch there and the high hat. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:59.800 Man, it makes the feeld sound interesting when you're going 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:00.679 back towards around. 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.679 Okay, Okay, I see that. I don't I know that 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:11.000 uh Garibaldi is holds dear to your heart, but like 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.480 was he was he your who's your first drumming hero? 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.639 Oh my, my drumming heroes were definitely all the James 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:20.800 Brown drummers, you know. 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.280 And and and and and listening you know, back to 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.200 can't stand it and I got the feeling and stuff. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:32.720 I mean to me, the pockets and the meters brothers 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.880 came up with was nothing short of incredible. And I 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:42.080 definitely see where Garibaldi got his chops from listening to them. 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.879 And but I just there was a technical way that 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.399 he put it together that I I just thought was 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.520 very clever. But definitely all the JB's drummers in the 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.440 early days and still to this day for me. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.160 Okay, well, I know that at some point you guys 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.159 were all under the same management. Have you ever got 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.320 into talk or get cool with Dave Garibaldi at all? 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.600 Or we've talked a couple of times. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:09.400 You know, I go, you know, to a show when 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.720 I whenever I can catch him when I know he's drumming, 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.960 and you know, he he knows you know that. 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:15.400 That I did. 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.320 His style, but you know that's not the extent of it. 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.760 Okay, So just like nice, pleasant trees, but never like, yeah, yeah, 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:26.639 that's it, guys, call you ol yo man, check this 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:32.200 thing out. Okay, So you know, we asked, we asked 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.720 Jimmy jim his version of this. Can you break down 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:41.840 your version of growing up in Minneapolis as far as 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.560 you know, the side of town you grew up on, 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.840 where the cool side of town was, the side of 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:52.000 town you don't go to radio socially like, could you 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.720 just give us a kind of a run of what 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.360 your your preteen life was in Minnesota. 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:03.240 My preteen life, you know in Minnesota was I pretty 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.720 much lived in the don't go to areas. 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.040 Oh, you live on the other side of the tracks? 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:13.359 Yeah, okay, you know, both sides south side and north 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.800 side were the areas that if somebody said, hey, where 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:21.520 should I not go in Minneapolis, they would have said both. 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:22.280 Sides of the town that I lived on. 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.119 But what my experience and my takeaway from Minneapolis is, 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.879 I can't hate on it because that's obviously where I 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.959 really found myself and musically and in a great circle 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:38.639 of musicians. But at the end of the day, my 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:43.000 experience in Minneapolis, I'm not surprised with the whole George 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:50.480 Floyd situation because I saw Minneapolis as being a racist town. 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:57.000 And it just doesn't. It didn't surprise me. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:01.520 First avenue, which Prince chose to glorify, didn't really even 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:04.880 cater to to black at all. 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:06.840 You know, it was all about rock. 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.880 Bands and husky. Yeah, we didn't hang out there at 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.040 all and never really felt welcome there. So you know, 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.720 that was just you know, it was interesting that he 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.760 chose that and it worked out, but that's not the 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.639 you know, the purple Ring Minneapolis is not the Minneapolis 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.600 that I. 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:25.360 Grew up in. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:30.040 So you guys had to build that utopian because like, okay, yeah, 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.280 I was one of those people that like, you know 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.520 that the modern aray theme, the modern air scene where 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.640 you know, you and Apples are sitting in the audience 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:41.640 with your champagne and all these black and white and 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.800 mixed race people or just dance. Like in my mind, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:50.840 I thought like, oh, Minnesota's this utopian sort of you know, 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.320 this mythical utopian place that we need to go to. 0:22:54.640 --> 0:23:00.359 But that was basically something that you guys had to build. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.800 Hey, you know what, you know, I just there's good 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.480 and bad people, you know, but you know, Minneapolis grew 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.520 to be that because so many people saw Purple Rain. 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.760 And I think Prince did a great job of making 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.360 Minneapolis really look like this music mecca and this melting 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:20.040 pot and you know it, I don't know, you know, 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:25.040 but it it wasn't like that, you know, And I 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:29.160 think he helped he helped the city a lot by 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.760 choosing to use First Avenue and glorify it like that. 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:35.960 You know, I'm not. 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.399 Trying to, you know, sound lean in one direction the other. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:40.440 Had a lot of good white friends and all of that. 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:46.000 But I was, you know, stopped by the cops a lot, 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.639 you know, thrown on the hood of my car in 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.600 front of my five year old daughter at the time 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:52.199 over really trivial stuff. 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.480 So when you were it was on the way, it 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.720 was on the way, you know. But but still, you. 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.840 Know, I had one of the first uh you know, 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.240 I was one of the first brothers you know, bought 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:10.680 a porch back in nineteen eighty you know, two and Stopford, 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.440 you know, just having a high end car. 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:14.600 So you know, it was just. 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.399 It was it was crazy stuff, you know. 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.600 So wait, can I ask what that being said? Now? 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.879 I want to know about your people then, because like 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.960 where were your parents from and what was their background. 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.000 I know you said you grew up in the projects, 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.040 but who were who were your parents? 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.800 Well, my parents, we're all out of Illinois. So I 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.760 was born in Springfield, Illinois, and you know, all my 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:40.400 folks were like Springfield, Decatur, Illinois, Chicago, that circle down there. 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:44.119 And you know, a couple of my relatives moved up 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:48.399 to Minneapolis. And the story goes, and like I always 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.000 like to say, it's in. 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:55.600 The book, you know, but you know, my mom took. 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:56.960 Us up to Minneapolis. 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.199 We were supposed to be going to Cali, and I 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:03.120 was sold the looking forward to that, and we stopped 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:07.359 in Minneapolis to visit my sick aunt, so my mom said. 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.360 And we ended up there for the next twenty years. 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:10.879 And I was a little bitter about. 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.719 That, I understand, But it got good, you know, it 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:15.560 got really good. 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:15.760 You know. 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:17.160 I met some really good people. 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:19.879 I met Prince, I met Andre Simone and all of 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:23.199 my guys, you know, because I couldn't find myself. I 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:27.080 wasn't an athlete, and I wasn't popular in school for 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:29.359 no particular reason. 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:31.080 So once I got. 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.240 In the band, and once I found myself with the music, 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.359 then all of sudden, you know what I mean, life 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.960 changed for me. So Minneapolis for me was the place 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:39.360 to be. 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:45.320 Okay in the idea of well, first of all, I'm 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.320 still trying to wrap my head around the fact that 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:52.200 and I'm going on Jimmy Jam's account about how radio 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.880 was at the time. How are you guys getting culture? 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:02.560 Like it's baffling to me that for a group of people, 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.800 and meaning that all of you in Minnesota who basically 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:14.359 dictated what black culture would be in entertainment from the 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:18.120 eighties on, and that's you know, music, attitude, style, all 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.960 those things for you guys to not even have that 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.600 foundation to even know to build upon it. Like, how 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.240 are you learning about whatever was hipping black in the 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.040 day if it's not in Minnesota? Like how are you 0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:36.360 getting what's your internet? How do you know about the Meters? 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.879 How do you know about a group called heat Wave? 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:40.760 Like how are you getting hip to this? 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:41.479 Okay? 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:46.119 So you know, first of all, you got diverse. 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.600 Parents from different parts of the country. 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:58.160 Moving from Chicago to Minneapolis, moving from California to Minneapolis, 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.320 and they're bringing their record elections. And then also we 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.920 had back in the day it was called KUXL am 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:09.760 radio station that played all the soul music and it 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:14.560 broadcasted from maybe eight in the morning til the sundown 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:20.439 and had like a five block radius. But listen to 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:22.840 you know, you could get you know, all of the 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.080 new music there. And then so then we would hear 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.639 the new Parliament Funkadelic, we would hear the new. 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:30.840 Commodores or whatever. 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:32.600 And then we would go to the mom and pop 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.000 and we say, hey, when do you get when this record? 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.080 When is this record coming in? And they would tell 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.280 us we'd be waiting on this record. And then on 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.720 the other hand, you know, we could listen to the 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:47.480 groups like the Commodores and Diana Ross and Lou Rawls 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.040 and that had surface to pop radio, and we hear 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.000 their music, and then we would hear the pop music. 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.160 And then so this is in our brains when we 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:57.200 sit down to say we're going to write a song, 0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:00.000 and then we're thinking Parliament Funkadelic, We're thinking James Brown, 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.600 but then we're hearing you know, all of the pop 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:06.119 bands in our brains and so you know, these melodies, 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.440 you know, kind of meld together and and I think 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.440 that's how we really came up with what we ended up. 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:17.960 With oh okay, I see, I see, I'm familiar with 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:24.360 the kind of mixture of Enterprise slash Grand Central slash 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:30.320 Flight Time amalgamation. But were there any other bands in 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:35.280 the area that you were frightened of or just like, yo, 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.720 they're gonna make it, or or even other people who 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.200 were from the area, like the d trained guys, or 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:47.720 even the what's his name rock Rocky Robins like or 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:54.360 the Lips incorporated people like non Purple associated Minneapolis musicians 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.840 like the other guys. How fierce was the competition or 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:01.200 was it just like the four main groups that eventually 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:02.520 wound up working all together. 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.240 The competition was amazing. It felt like there was a 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:13.040 band on every block. But for some reason, I always 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.960 felt like, you know, and flight Time, you know. 0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:16.960 Was amazing. You know. 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.480 There was a group called the Family that Sonny Thompson. 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.680 I think Sonny plays in one of the spinoff Prince 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.480 bands right now. And he's the guy that came by 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.640 and he plays everything like Prince did. I think he 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.520 taught Prince some things. And he's the guy that really 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:36.440 came by and taught me my first real drum beat 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:38.720 and how to really start mashing on the drums, and 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.960 he was that kind of guy. But you know, there 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.480 was the competition was fierce. But the reason why I 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.600 got in Grand Central was because I went to a 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.200 high school dance. I thought I was going there to 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.800 see a girl, to meet up with a girl. I 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:57.120 saw them plan and I forgot all about. 0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:58.400 The girl that you were on the day. 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.080 I stood there right in front of the band and 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:06.360 I was a mesmerized. You know, you got Prince thirteen 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:11.120 years old on the guitar, Andre Simone, his Prince's cousin, 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.320 Charles Smith, they call him Chaz. These guys are playing 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:21.200 Santana Hendrix, They're playing everything like they're twenty one years old. 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:25.280 Prince is doing the amazing guitar solos at that age, 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.920 and I just said, man, you know, and I've been 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.160 wood shedding on the drums for years at that point, 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.959 and I said, I got to be a part of this. 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.440 And you know, my whole point is I got to 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:39.320 know Andre Simone. He came by my house one day. 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:43.400 It's in the book Ques, you know, you know, and 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.520 we were skipping school and he heard me play drums, man, 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:51.200 and you know, I played some Garabaldi's Soul Vaccination with 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.800 his hip, you know, and I'm firing up all my 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.800 grooves and I stopped playing and he's looking at me 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.720 like eyes all stretch. I was like, what, man, He's like, 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.360 I didn't know you could play like that. And he said, 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.040 you know, we're having trouble, you know, with a little 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.400 you know, our drummers chasing women. He's not showing up 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.920 a rehearsal and everything. We're looking, you know, to replace 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:15.120 him and looking for somebody serious. You should come by 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.560 and bring you drums, you know, let Prince hear you. 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.480 So I take my drums over there, I set them up, 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.040 I started firing up the grooves. We do some of 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.239 the songs. I'm I'm, you know, doing my thing, and 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.560 you know, so we stopped. Prince, you know, was a 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.880 man of very few words, even back then. He's looking 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:36.040 at me very mysteriously. You never really said shit to me. 0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.480 But then Andre came to me and he's like, man, 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:42.520 you know, Prince loved it. You're in. So my point 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.840 is that I felt like I was getting into a 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:48.680 superior situation. 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.440 From the time that I got into Grand Central. 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.880 So I already felt like I was in a band 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.160 that was even as fierce as the competition was. I 0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:01.560 felt like I was in the best band in Minneapolis 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:02.760 at that point in time. 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:12.120 Wow, Okay, often this name comes up anytimes we do 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.880 these types of episodes, and I never ask, and I 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:19.920 got to ask you. The common denominator between everyone associated 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:25.640 with Minneapolis that the name holds holdly is the name 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:29.880 of Sonny Thompson. But is there a reason why he 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:34.040 was never in the first draft of any of these 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:37.360 projects coming up like he did you guys ever figure like, oh, 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:38.960 how can we get Sonny down with us? Or was 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:43.480 he just so advanced that, you know, you guys never 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.880 even considered that he'd be down with y'all. Or because 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.920 everyone speaks of Sonny Thompson with this like religious like 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.040 the best thing I've ever seen. 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.280 He's an amazing musician and way ahead of his time, 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.840 and his name I do believe came up to be 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.840 in the time. But I had a different idea myself 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.120 of what the band should be. And I already have 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:08.800 my eyes focused on Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis because 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.520 I had heard them play. I knew Flight Time was 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.600 an amazing band, and I heard they had done some 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.760 songs produced some songs on Cynthia Johnson, who was the 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.600 one that ended up saying funky Town and yeah, yeah, 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.080 yeah yeah, And so I already had that in mind, 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:28.800 and you know he didn't argue with me on that, 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:30.960 but I believe he wanted Sonny in the band. 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:32.640 And you know, he had his idea what the. 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.000 Time should be, and I had mine and fortunately, you know, 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.480 he he went with my version of the time. 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:44.200 Okay, cool, So how do you wrestle? Like, what is 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:49.000 the story of how you got kind of your own 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:53.959 all star draft if you will, grabbing these people from 0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.960 various groups and making your your your own band. 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:02.520 Oh, you know, it was pretty easy actually, because you know, 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.400 everybody knew that. You know, Prince had done this thing. 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.239 He had this big deal with Warner Brothers. He showed up, 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.640 he went and got the deal, and you know he 0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:13.839 always used his pick for his afro, you know, cake cutter. 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.440 I don't know if you remember the cake cutters. You 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.400 know what I'm saying, that pick with the handle on it. 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:24.520 Yeah, with that cake cutter. Yes, I'm very familiar with that. 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:29.120 Yes, he always had his cake cutter. So he went 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.440 and got his deal with Warner Brothers. They cut him 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.080 a check for eighty g's. We had never seen nothing 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.279 like that. They had his name on it, and just 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.200 to you know, seal the deal, he said, it's cake 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.000 cutter right next to the check. 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:41.799 You know, so we go. 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:45.759 That it was for real. 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:52.720 But anyway, you know, I just wanted flight time, you know, Jimmy, 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:57.560 Terry and Monty and I really wanted Jellybean to be 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.719 the drummer, but I was the drummer. So at that 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.080 point we were looking at different singers. And that's when 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.160 Prince said, hey, why don't you sing? And you know, 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:09.160 at first I wasn't fond of that idea, but then 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.680 when I thought about it, I said, hey, that means 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:15.640 jelly Being could be in the band, and so everybody's in. 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.760 And meanwhile, you know, when I was playing in enterprise 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.000 band A Pleasure, you know, I had heard about this 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:26.040 guitar player down in Rock Island, Illinois who was doing 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.480 twenty minute solos where his band would leave the stage 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.080 and he'd just stand up there and solo over twenty minutes. 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.560 And I said, this has got to be our guy. 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:39.759 And so you know, I told Maridi Holmes, who told 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.920 me about Jesse. I said, can you have him come up, 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.040 had him come up? He started. He stayed in my 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.880 house and my little townhouse, in my living room, on 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.800 my couch, and you know, he started playing with Enterprise. 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:55.840 Amazing guitar player. You know, I played Prince a tape 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.080 of him playing and Prince said, oh, yeah, that's our 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.240 guitar player. So, I mean, you know history, that's pretty 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:02.560 much how it came together. 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.760 Dang, was anybody hard to get? Was it a struggle 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:06.960 with anybody took Evince? 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.520 No, because we were all struggling already. 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.400 So just to be you know, in a group that 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.719 you know, under Prince's production company with some promise to 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.000 do something big, you know, everybody was in. 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:18.440 You know. 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:22.839 Okay, So when you guys are in this period of 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.640 your lives, am I assuming that you guys had like 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.920 day jobs to go to as well? And how do 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:34.560 you balance like rehearsal versus pocket change? Yeah? 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:38.160 Well I pretty much failed at every day job I attempted. 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.640 You know, I think the longest I last was maybe 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:46.000 six months. And you know, pretty much every job I 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.879 ever had, the manager would end up. You know, I'm 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.319 that guy singled out that he'd be looking at you know, 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.440 two hours into every shift, He's like, call me to 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:57.080 his office. She's like, you don't want to be here, 0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:58.719 do you? Like? 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:00.400 I don't know how to answer that question. 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.320 So anyway, by the time we got to put in 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:07.319 a band together, I was pretty much living with a 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:08.200 girlfriend of mine. 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.439 She was working and. 0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.640 Paying the big bills, and I was doing the musician thing, 0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:18.360 you know, and making fifty dollars of a show or whatever, 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.040 thirty five dollars a show or whatever I made, and 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.359 that was pretty much what I did. It was just 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.719 all about music at that point in time in my life. 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.879 Okay, I see, I do want to know, is at 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:35.920 any point was Alexander O'Neil at all, like at any 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:39.520 of these rehearsals. I mean, before you know, the eventual 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.680 fallout or his exit or whatever. But is there any 0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.719 point in which it was the Seven of You or 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:47.279 Honor of Jellybean? Was there? Like? 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:51.640 No, At that point it was it was pretty much 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:56.480 songs that either Prince had cut or Prince and I 0:37:56.560 --> 0:38:00.480 had cut, and we were just trying singers out in 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:06.000 the studio. Never as a band, but you know, Alexander 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.000 was was was the lead singer of Flight Time, so 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.680 they were actively working together at that time. 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:19.480 Okay, I see, I know that you also, like I assume, 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.920 traveled with Prince when he was touring. Well, I assume 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.640 that the first major toy did was Rick James, So 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.120 I guess you were on that tour with him. Am 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.480 I correct? Were you at all like president during the 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.000 Rick James Prince shows? 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.360 I think that was over. 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.439 I caught the next round when I came to town 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:44.759 he was doing the Dirty Mind. I think that that's 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:45.480 what I went out with. 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:51.839 So okay, were you eyewitness to the Rolling Stones incident? Yes, 0:38:51.920 --> 0:39:00.800 I was, boy the book. Uh okay, so I've heard 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.719 that you know, well, first of all, I know that 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.720 you were like recording these shows and being a collector 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.239 of these shows. I'm assuming that maybe one of these 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:14.839 shows that I have is your camera work. First of all, yeah, 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:21.000 it's it's who even has the the vision to know 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.719 to record themselves every night? To judge, I mean, that's 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:30.600 that's an amazing technology to have, because oh, okay, well, 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.480 I believe that the legend is that you know, Mars 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:39.760 would set up the tripod camera and record print shows 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:43.759 on VHS or Beta Max whatever so that Prince could 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:47.680 watch himself, and of course like suckers like me who 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.680 indulge a lot in the bootleate market in the last 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.840 twenty five years whatever, like all these tapes of surface 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.560 and whatnot, and I'm not saying them maybe or maybe not. 0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:01.359 I paid a mid five figure for stuff. I don't know. 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:07.399 You gotta do history history, but I'm playing anyway. But 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:12.880 my my question is, yeah, like, who's for me in 0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:17.680 eighty eighty one, who's thinking of like purchasing a video 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:23.320 camera recorder and recording these shows night after night like 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.759 because it's a rare technology that wasn't a household name 0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:29.759 yet until at least eighty three, eighty forty five. 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.440 So yeah, yeah, absolutely. 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:35.320 And it wasn't it wasn't compact technology either. Were talking 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:40.799 big VCR and some pretty nice sized cameras that, yeah, 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:42.719 how do you get the tapes night to night after 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.879 night like those big like the big ones like this right? Yeah, yeah, 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.799 you know tripod and I had a I had my 0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.560 own road case case that I was in and so 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.359 you know, anyway, that was me after Prince said, hey, 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:00.759 Bobby's he's my drama and He's said, but I'll offer 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.360 you a gig to tape the shows. 0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.319 So you know, you know, I pay you one hundred 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.240 and fifty dollars a week that I'm. 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.960 Like, I can travel and you know, go to shows 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.440 and at least, you know, somehow be a part of 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.080 this for you know, I said, I'll take it, and 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.680 so you know, I was a video on the shows. 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:22.320 And that's something that's stuck with Prince throughout his career. 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.239 And I don't care. You know, even when we did 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.279 the Musicology tour with him, or the dates that we 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:34.239 did do, he would make everybody his band and everybody 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:38.080 had to go to whatever club he rented out afterwards 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:43.200 and he would have that show on the projection and 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.440 everybody had to watch it. Everybody had to. 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:47.280 Watch it every. 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:51.560 Yes, that's the next level. 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:54.520 Like a coach, like he was coach. 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.560 Getting on the musicians. Hey, you were behind on that song, 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:04.120 the whole thing, the whole show, every show he did 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:07.560 in the nightclub though in the nightclub, but. 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.279 It was in the club, but them, you know that. 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.600 Okay, I feel like you should start some shit with 0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:15.680 the roots where you don't start play it back like 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.400 you for it. But here's the thing though, here's the 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.719 thing though, now now, don't feel so bad because you 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:27.480 know they're My nightclub story is the fact that he 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.320 took me off turntables and wanted to watch Finding Nemo 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:31.800 in the nightclub. 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:33.600 You were there, like you yeah, I know, I said, 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:34.080 I remember that. 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.279 Yeah, And it's such like you don't have an embarrassment. 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.200 You don't know what the embarrassment it is being a 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.320 world class DJ for those of them, what's the story? 0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:47.080 So the story is basically, Princess in Philly for the 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:52.560 Musicology tour and I get ten tickets, and in true 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:56.200 a mere fashion, I forgot to count myself as part 0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:00.319 of the tens. So I got ten friends. And so 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.960 we're walking in one, two, three, four, five, six, seventy nine, ten, 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.719 and I realized, shit, I'm eleven. Fuck so who he 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.719 said home. It was well, it was like more than 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.759 sold out. And it just so happens that Ruth and 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:15.960 him happened to be in a golf cart whizen by, 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:18.680 and I was just like, man, shoot your shot, and 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.560 I said, look, I know I got ten tickets from 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.160 you guys, but I forgot to conclude myself in the ten. 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:26.120 He thought was silly. He thought it was funny. 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.480 He laughed, and was like, all right, in that moment, 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.239 that was the girl that was with you, just so 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:35.319 you know, well there was ten of your moment. Yeah, 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:36.160 way go ahead. 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:40.279 Oh anyway, My point was that I sat under the 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:44.080 stage and watched the show. But then towards the end 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.640 of the show, Ruth rushes to me and says, Prince 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.960 does this thing with me. Like my relationship with him 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.439 is like I Prince has this thing where he tells 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:57.640 you to do something and automatically you're like, oh, I 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.759 work for you, yes, sir, So I'll go to the club. Hey, 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:03.719 run the soundboard, okay. And I'm like at the soundboard, like, 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:05.320 I don't know what I'm doing, but Prince sold me 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.040 run the sound play. 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:11.120 Bass a mirror. It was an error, right. 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:13.440 So Princeville, have me just do ship. I never did 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.480 a month, Like, I've gone to the supermarket to get milk. 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:20.800 I've played bass. I'm like, wait, I don't play bass. 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:26.440 So this one night, this one night, he asked me, 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.239 well he he They command me to find him a 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:34.960 nightclub to have uh an after party. And so then 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.400 of course I hit up our good friend Stacey Wilson 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:41.080 from Philly cease find me a nightclub. She finds me 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.279 a nightclub, but it's a five story walk up and 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.120 then at the last minute, Prince is like, and I 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.480 want to play pool And so now they got an 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.160 hour to find a pool table and and dismantle it 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.279 and lug it up five stories to the to the 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.560 rooftop of this nightclub. Uh, and I want you to DJ. 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:00.840 So now I got it this Rados, and now I 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:04.240 got to run to my dungeon grab all these records, 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:09.880 so you know, I I do it, and three records in. 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.719 Prince obviously didn't take a liking to FAILI I was 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:17.600 playing afrobeat and they're like, put this on instead, and 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.480 I'm looking as a DVD and it's Finding Nemo and 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.120 I'm like, uh wait, what am I? What am I 0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:24.000 supposed to do with this? 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:27.759 So so Kemp Flores, can you translate that? What was 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:29.440 he trying to say to a mirror in that moment? 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:30.600 I still don't understand. 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.560 Oh really, you don't understand where a person tell you 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:35.120 he's getting fired right now? 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:37.040 Well, I was hoping that wasn't it. Maybe it was 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:37.760 something else. 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:41.359 No, Well, he just I've just never seen someone put 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:44.319 a videotape on in the nightclub, like we're in and 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:46.279 the thing is, it's like it's two thousand and four. 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.399 So our version of the nightclub is more like Diddy era, 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:53.880 where it's sexy and you know, smoky and lasers and stuff. 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:57.600 And then all of a sudden, like you're here Ellen 0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:02.280 DeGeneres and you know, Albert what's his name in Finding Nemo. 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.200 We're watching a Pixar film in the club like it 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.960 was normal. And now that I know that mars Is 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:14.680 told us that okay, that he just puts tapes on it. 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.319 Anything but music on the club just seems weird to me. 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.600 So yeah, well, I'm surprised he don't make it everybody 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:24.359 watch the show because that that's usually what he did. 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.600 It was a man, It's like he had to see himself. 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:29.000 Wow. 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:31.200 I loved that he was a coach. I think that's dope. 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:33.440 That means he's an athlete, Like he's a real athlete. 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.279 When it comes to this, I get it now that 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:40.560 the approach. So I gotta ask, so can you give 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:42.439 us your version of the Rolling Stone show? 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:44.040 Oh man? 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:49.560 That was traumatic because you know, you know, I I 0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.560 know I knew this brother, you know, to his level 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:58.680 of professionalism and his need to be accepted as an artist. 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.920 And so I think he's going up there thinking, you know, 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:09.319 he's straight up in billy idol mode, you know, half yeah, 0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:11.880 you know, half neckd you know, I'm gonna show him 0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:13.880 how I can rock and roll, you know, with the 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:17.840 bikinis and the lake warmers and all that on. And 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:22.680 you know, you're straight up in front of a hardcore rock. 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:23.480 And roll crowd. 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.640 A lot of these guys were bikers, and you know, 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.919 and and and they just wasn't hearing it, man. 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:31.840 So you know, he comes out. 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:35.359 And he's doing his thing and uptown and all that, 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.000 and all of a sudden, you know, you start hearing 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.239 the booze and the beer bottles start flying up on stage. 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:43.400 And I knew, you know, right at that moment that 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:46.759 it was time to start making my way with my 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:51.799 you know, little cameras, camera equipment backstage because it wasn't 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:52.520 gonna be nice. 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.760 So that shows on tape. 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.799 I never saw it on tape, but I taped it, 0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:01.000 you know, happened to it. 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:02.760 Somewhere in this earth. 0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:05.600 Is that show somewhere on this planet? 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.520 That show is on DVR. 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:12.480 You find it VHS. 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.680 It's labeled it's labeled finding Nemo. 0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:18.480 That's right. 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:19.200 Oh my god. 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:22.480 Wow, Okay, Morris, how long did you keep this job, 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:23.919 the cam cordy, this gig. 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.000 Well, see, that's the whole thing. 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:26.319 You know. 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:29.800 I was just staying close, you know, because when I 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:31.960 I had moved away, you know, when he got his 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:35.839 record deal, I was living down in Gaithersburg, Maryland side 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:39.040 of d C, you know, and so you know, things 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:40.759 didn't work out well for me. So I moved back 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:44.759 to Mini and once he found out that I got back, 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:46.759 he was real happy that I was there. So I 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.640 started hanging out, going to rehearsals, and that's when I 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:51.880 kind of said, you know, hey, man, I really like 0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:53.920 to be the drummer, and he's like, I have a drummer. 0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:56.360 And that's when I got offered the job to video 0:48:56.440 --> 0:49:00.360 the shows. And so you know, he told me, you know, 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.520 he said, you know, you can use the studio anytime 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:07.000 you want, and of course I took advantage of that. 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.840 And so one of the first songs I cut was 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:14.880 this slow funk track and you know, I put the 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:18.200 drums down, then I put the bass down and it 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:19.600 was the party up baseline. 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:21.040 But I played it way funk here. 0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:21.239 You know. 0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:24.120 I was in a funk mode with it, and he's like, 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.520 you know, And so I go home and I come 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:28.520 back the next day to cut some more stuff and 0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:31.080 he's like, you know, I like that track that you cut. 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:34.040 He's like, if you give me that track, he said, 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:36.800 I'll give you. I don't know ten k I forget 0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:39.200 what he said. He said. Or I'll help you put 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.640 a band together. You pick it, I said, And he said, 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.160 I'll get your record deal. I said, of course, I'll 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.960 take the band and the record deal. Yeah, so that 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:53.480 was pretty much the end of my video career, videoographer career, 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:55.719 and you know, from that point on. 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.720 It really really happened fast. 0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:02.400 You know, he sent he had me sing a couple songs, 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:07.240 he said them the Warner Brothers. They signed the band 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.880 and the concept of the time sight Unseen. And so 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.720 then we had like two weeks to complete the record 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:15.759 and it was just a whirlwind from there. 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:18.880 Okay, so it's ten thousand. In my mind, I thought 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:23.840 it was substantial, like twenty twenty five thirty, and I 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.760 was doing the math and I was like, wait a minute, 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:30.320 well twenty back in nineteen eighty, that was like seventy 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:36.399 thousand dollars today, Like, I don't know. It's like, of course, yes, 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.160 you made the right choice by choosing the band situation, 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.640 but I'm also thinking, you know, you could have had 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.920 your cake and eat it too, because I don't know 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.880 if he's is he even expressing again the need to 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.640 have other outlets to express him Like are you seeing 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:58.080 this this ocd obsessiveness to channel more music through other 0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:01.920 acts yet, because I'm like, wait, why couldn't you get both? 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.040 Yeah, well, you're right, but you know that. 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:09.040 Was probably his inside his brain, right, But my brain is, 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:12.200 you know, I can you know, I know that we 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:15.279 can put something nice together. And he'd already played me 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:18.400 as he had played me Get It Up, which he 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:22.680 had cut believe it or not, for the group Brick 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:28.360 and why absolutely, And he had cut it for Brick Brick. 0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:31.560 He sent the song to them. They didn't want it. 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:35.359 Oh my god, they didn't want it, and I was like, man, 0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:36.560 I will take it. 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:40.399 So it's so yeah, yeah, so. 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:45.239 Yeah, it's crazy, I know, because they were hot at 0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.440 the time, you know, and he was just thinking, you know, 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:50.080 he had cut a song that they might like. But 0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.600 that's real, that's that's a true story, though a lot 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:53.360 of people don't know that. 0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:56.520 I don't even know if that's in the book though it's. 0:51:56.360 --> 0:52:00.359 Definitely not in the book by the way, Uh yeah, 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:07.439 Brick Brick's you guys, that's Sleepy Brown's Uh yes, yeah, 0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:13.000 Sleepy Brown's father. Okay, So this is what I want 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:17.960 to know. The hearing you speak right now, and I'm 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:22.480 assuming that this is your natural speaking voice. When you're 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:28.560 in the character of Mars Day or when Prince is 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:31.879 in the character of Jamie Starr. Who who is the 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:36.560 figurehead that you guys are. Who's the figurehead to whom 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:41.400 you guys are mocking or or imitating or like where 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:51.080 did this this character? You know, the that that pre Yes, 0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:53.759 I've talked to Kat Williams himself and he even said that, yes, 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:57.319 you guys were kind of his impetus for that voice, like, 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:03.360 ain't like me exact who is who is that voice 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:07.879 to what you guys took and perfected? Is that how 0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:09.359 brothers talked to Minnesota? 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:09.600 Now? 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:12.719 You know what you know? It's it's really everything that 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:16.680 you hear from from my laugh to when I get 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:20.080 into that zone. You know, there's a way that you 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:23.560 talk you know, when you're just seeing chill, more regular mold. 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:25.360 Then there's a way that you talk when you have 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:29.040 hyped up talking to your partners, talking shit, you know 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:29.520 what I mean. 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:31.600 So it's just it's just a it's just. 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:36.520 An elevated level if you will, of you know, of 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:39.160 of of my normal self. You know. 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.680 So when I go into that mold, that's pretty much how. 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:44.879 We were when we were just talking shit to each other, 0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:47.600 you know, laughing, and you know, and and and you 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:50.360 know when I when I got in that mold, I 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:52.960 would laugh loud, like I laugh and Prince was like, man, 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:54.480 we got to put that on the record, you know. 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:56.640 So it was just, you know, it was it was 0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:59.200 kind of our inner circle, the way we talk to 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:00.040 one another. 0:53:59.800 --> 0:53:59.960 You know. 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.839 Okay, all right, this this this is my favorite part 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.200 of the interview. Okay, so now I finally get to 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:11.040 figure or ask you, grill you on the work mode 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:15.360 operation of the tview. So are you the are you 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:21.520 the complete drummer on most of the Times albums. 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.960 I played drums on all most of the early albums, 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:31.239 and I played drums on a few Prince's songs as well, you. 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:33.520 Know, So that's what I wanted to know what what 0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:38.680 Prince songs or other non Time records have you drummed 0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:39.959 on that I might not know about. 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:43.640 I did part of Let's Work. I played all Let's Work, 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:45.879 and Prince, you. 0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.000 Know, he kind of he played on it as well, 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:50.640 so he kind of took parts of his his track 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:57.560 and mind. Yeah, I played drums on Controversy. I've yeah 0:54:57.600 --> 0:54:59.360 a new power generation. 0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:01.200 Yo. 0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:02.640 Yeah. 0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:04.880 Man, I played on a lot of his stuff, but 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.520 I never, you know, got credit, just like he didn't 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.200 necessarily in those days take credit for playing on the 0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:12.080 Time stuff. But I played on a lot of Prince's 0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:12.879 songs as well. 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:17.239 Okay, So I'm trying. I've been trying to explain to 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:22.759 people what what the process is because we all, you know, 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.840 most most purple heads or whatever, they're very familiar with, 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:33.239 uh chlorine bacon skin, which was initially, I guess the 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.920 impetus of it was supposed to be a workout that 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:41.000 would eventually morph into an actual song. But then I 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:42.920 guess it was so good, y'all just let the workout 0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:46.160 be the song. So if you guys aren't familiar with 0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:50.760 chlorine bacon skin. 0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:58.759 You don't, that's not don't that's nailed symbol. You just 0:55:59.360 --> 0:55:59.879 get knowing. 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.799 So Steve is my engineer. So Steve, you know, like 0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:05.880 when you set up a click track for me, So 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:10.440 basically Prince would play that the role of the click track, 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:15.400 so Mars would just drummer beat, and to keep Mars 0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:18.959 sort of you know, in the zone or whatever, Prince 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.680 would set up his bass, set up a microphone the 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:23.880 way that I talked to the guys on the show whatever, 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:27.319 talk shit, whatever, and then you record the drum thing, 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.400 and then of course that morphs into something else. In 0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:34.160 this one particular case, Chlorine BigGAN Skin actually wound up 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.000 being so good it stayed on its own. 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:37.759 That's what I want to a song. 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:42.320 Yeah, it's it's just a fifteen minute song where Prince 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.920 is just talking shit and it's mad hilarious, but it's 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:50.480 also mad funky. So for that song alone, I know 0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:53.200 that it was intended to be a work song that 0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:56.879 turns into something else. But when it was over, why 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.240 didn't you guys turn that song into something else? 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:04.560 Because I think we were both you know, you know, 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.040 just kind of really cool with the way it turned out. 0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:09.560 You know, he was talking ship, you know, uh, you know, 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:11.960 at the beginning of the song. We started the song 0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:16.000 and he's talking and you know, he's getting on me. 0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:20.880 He's like the headphones, headphones on, and then my headphones 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.680 were on the floor, so I'm laughing and put my 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:26.440 headphones on. Here. At the end of the song, we 0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:28.800 got done, and you know, it was like it was 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.320 just so hilarious. We said we got to leave this alone. 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:32.480 We got to just let it be. 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:33.120 What it is. 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:35.760 You know. Yeah, I was gonna say, one of the 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:39.160 one of the rarest highest things I've paid for. I 0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:43.720 didn't realize that you guys were actually intending to release this, So, 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:49.920 you know, I one one of the up there. There's 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:54.600 there's like a mastered her Her Powers mastered twelve inch 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:59.160 of chlorine that was supposed to see the light of day, 0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:00.800 and I guess at the last it was six Nate 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:02.720 or maybe he just had one printed up, one of 0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:06.120 one or whatever. But is that how all the songs 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:08.760 were created? So like when you're doing like Wild and Loose, 0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.960 you know, when you're drumming, are you drumming to something 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:16.960 totally different? And then it eventually morps into Wild and Loose? Yeah? 0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:18.480 Absolutely absolutely. 0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:21.880 It started out as a you know prints on the bass, 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:24.120 which you know, probably one of the funkest bass players. 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:26.000 I mean, you know exact listen to. 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:30.560 Seven seven h seven ninety three eleven. Nobody can play 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:32.480 that song. Nobody can play that. 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.120 Song the way he did so exactly. 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:37.240 So a lot of the songs we just we started 0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:40.360 like that, him on bass, neon drums, and then we 0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:43.000 would find a pocket or if he had idea of pocket, 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:45.160 he tells me to go there, I'd hold the pocket 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.800 and you know, we would just kind of go from there. 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:52.840 But most of all, most all of our songs. 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:55.440 That I played on were you know, they start out 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:57.120 as jam sessions. 0:58:57.200 --> 0:59:00.600 So jam sessions and totally different keys and totally other things, 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.440 and then you go home, and then you come back 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.840 the next day and then that drum performs you gave 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:07.320 turns into something else. 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:12.760 Yep, possibly that or possibly the actual the actual session itself, 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:16.439 you know. And he was a master at cutting two 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.400 inch tape because you know how it was pack in 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:21.800 the day, so you know, he would cut out the 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:25.680 sections that we didn't need and spice them together and 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:29.640 then start overdubling overdubbling from that point. 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.400 You know, so he could raise or splice his own tapes. 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.560 Oh yeah, were you guys working on was it a 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:37.160 sixteen track or a twenty four? Like? What board do 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:40.200 you know? Like? The Yeah, the boards that we. 0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:45.120 Started out on sixteen and that's what we get it 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:48.160 up and all cool Girl. All those songs that first 0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:51.240 album were cut on sixteen track, and then after that 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:54.720 graduated to twenty four track, and then after that graduated 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:57.520 to two twenty four tracks where we had forty eight tracks. 0:59:57.600 --> 1:00:01.040 You know. Oh okay, I see, okay, So let me 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:05.240 ask about the twin of bacon skin, which is tricky. 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:07.360 Why you big. 1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:16.760 Hair, dum heavy, long toll snagly going to funk inhabit 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:20.360 form leather wear bean pole. 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:35.400 Black was tricky. 1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:39.720 Initially intended as one of these sessions that should turn 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:42.880 into another song, and then again, you guys were just 1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:45.680 clowning around and decided, okay, let's just leave this as 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:46.240 as it is. 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:49.200 Well, tricky happened when. 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:55.680 We heard that, I believe it was was it Bootsy? 1:00:56.520 --> 1:01:00.600 But anyway, it's either it was either Bootsy or George 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:05.200 George Clinton when I had a song that said Morris 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:16.360 to copy cat. 1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:24.280 Immediately after we heard that, we went into the studio 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:26.680 and that was our rebuttal that. 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:30.200 Was, it's like why you be wait you. 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:41.240 So toss solid hairdoo have And that was Bootsy. 1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:42.560 The Michelan man. That was George Clinton. 1:01:42.560 --> 1:01:45.400 So we went in and you know, had a field day, 1:01:45.720 --> 1:01:49.040 you know, as a rebuttal to them talking ship about us. 1:01:50.160 --> 1:01:51.920 Dude, this okay, this. 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:52.600 Is a cute yo. 1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:59.880 Heads are exploded, do you literally? I didn't expect this 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:05.680 because in our mythical made up land, we had decided 1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:10.600 that that was directed after the James Brown incident, you know, 1:02:10.760 --> 1:02:13.720 the James Brown Michael Jackson, because we thought like, okay, 1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:15.720 well he has to be talking about somebody. At first, 1:02:15.720 --> 1:02:18.120 I just thought that you two were just ranking on 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:22.800 each other because you know, I didn't realize again, like 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:27.360 Prince never made his voice known to us during that 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:29.640 period in real time, so I had no idea that 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:34.720 like the waiter on the skits and the Italian guy 1:02:34.800 --> 1:02:37.480 on the walk, I didn't realize that was Prince, right, 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.520 I'm just thinking that's you and some of the guys, 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:43.240 and so once I became aware of that, then I 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:44.800 was like, well, wait a minute, that's Prince of Mars, 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.520 Like who are they talking about? So in my mind, 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:49.800 I was like, okay, nineteen eighty three, I know, the 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:52.920 James Brown incident happened and he was real embarrassed, and 1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:55.760 oh maybe that's who he's talking. That is crazy. So 1:02:56.040 --> 1:03:00.280 did you ever get actual verification that was actually out 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:02.840 you or you know, were they like, no, we were 1:03:02.840 --> 1:03:05.720 talking about the actual Mars the cat from the Friskies commercial. 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:07.080 Yeah, now we knew. 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:09.760 Exactly, you know, and I'm not sure, you know, maybe 1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:13.760 they thought maybe they thought get it Up was you know, 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:17.520 sort of a parliament funkin deelic groove. And I could 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:19.919 see that, you know, and you know, I could see 1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:24.640 the influence of that. But I by no means feel 1:03:24.680 --> 1:03:26.920 like we were biting their sound at all. 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:31.000 But now, I mean they were no strangers to bucking shots, 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:32.880 you know, because like, let's take it to the stage. 1:03:34.080 --> 1:03:36.760 They playfully call out you know, Earthwin and Fire and 1:03:36.840 --> 1:03:39.880 Rufus and Sly and even you know, the people that 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:43.320 they're down with, but still like playfully doing Wow, man, 1:03:43.720 --> 1:03:48.280 I had no clue what so, So was he actually 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:49.640 eating chicken while he did that? 1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:51.920 No? No? 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:56.240 Oh, okay, no, you know what, maybe you mentioned that 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:58.000 I think we might have bought a bucket of chin. 1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:01.800 Yeah, I was like, I think he was chewing chicken. 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:03.640 I think we might have had a bucket the chicken 1:04:03.680 --> 1:04:06.920 on hand now that you mentioned it, So that's okay. 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:12.439 I want to know what was the awareness of your 1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:16.520 contemporaries at least Again, the myth of my head was 1:04:16.520 --> 1:04:19.160 that you guys were too cool for school. You didn't 1:04:19.160 --> 1:04:21.960 listen to nobody else, like nobody like Zap, fuck Them 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:25.920 and whatever. But now that I'm older, I'm like, it's 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:29.520 almost impossible for you guys to not know about the 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:33.120 Dazz Band or Zap or even like these new groups 1:04:33.200 --> 1:04:35.880 groups coming up like z Look and Real to Real 1:04:36.080 --> 1:04:39.520 and Click and you know, all these all these groups 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:42.640 post ady two that were trying to fit into that 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:46.440 mood that you guys were. So, I mean, how aware 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:53.440 were you guys of other groups and their music? Like 1:04:54.040 --> 1:04:55.880 did you ever come in and say, like, yo, man, 1:04:56.200 --> 1:04:58.000 this group called the System from New York listen to 1:04:58.040 --> 1:04:58.320 this shit? 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:02.040 Yeah, like you know what, But you're you're absolutely right. 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:05.880 We were on we were on that page. But on 1:05:05.920 --> 1:05:09.680 a larger scale for us, we were listening to new 1:05:09.720 --> 1:05:13.960 wave groups like The Cure and you know, we were 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:17.840 listening to a lot of the cross over the pop 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:21.600 groups and trying to because we'd already you know, we 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:24.480 we had the funk thing down. So what we were 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:26.280 trying to do, and if you think about it, you 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:30.760 listen to ice Cream Castles and you know, listen to 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:33.320 the verses on that and the whole vibe of that song. 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:37.760 We were trying to get that that the cure, you know, 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:41.280 we were trying to get that slightly new waves sound 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:45.920 integrated and and and and that's that's really where we 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:48.800 were thinking. We were We were already past the funk 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:49.640 thing because. 1:05:49.360 --> 1:05:50.000 We had that. 1:05:51.000 --> 1:05:54.280 Wow, I never thought of that, So you guys were 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:58.520 aware of Okay, I see, I see it. So humor. 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:05.920 Humor is also another important weapon in the arsenal of 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:09.720 the time, which you know, humanized you guys. And that 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:13.720 was sort of the difference between you know, your presentation 1:06:13.800 --> 1:06:17.480 and Prince's presentation because your humor, even though it was 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:19.840 inside baseball jokes, it still made us want to be 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:23.400 down with you, and it endeared us to you more 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:25.720 because it showed a side of you, Like Prince didn't 1:06:25.720 --> 1:06:29.800 show a sense of humor until way later in his career. 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:34.520 So like, but what I want to know is the 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:41.120 fact that you guys would actually stage vis kind of vignettes, 1:06:41.120 --> 1:06:45.360 and you know, it's really the precursor to skits that 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:48.480 De La Soul and Wa and them started doing, except 1:06:48.480 --> 1:06:50.680 they would actually make skits where you guys would just 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:54.800 do the skits on the record. So like when you're 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:59.320 doing songs like the Walk or even Wild and Loose, 1:06:59.360 --> 1:07:02.640 Wild and Loose is probably a better example because you know, 1:07:04.440 --> 1:07:07.680 I'm assuming that's that's Lisa. Is that Lisa and Jill 1:07:07.800 --> 1:07:11.040 Jones talking to each other, them talking to each other 1:07:11.080 --> 1:07:13.120 on Wild and Loose when you guys are there. 1:07:13.320 --> 1:07:16.160 I actually think it's just some some random girls that. 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:23.120 Come in, you know. But however, on the Walk, that 1:07:22.840 --> 1:07:23.880 was that was vanity. 1:07:23.960 --> 1:07:24.920 That was vanity. I know that. 1:07:25.240 --> 1:07:25.439 Yeah. 1:07:25.480 --> 1:07:27.680 But the reason why I'm asking about Wild and Loose 1:07:27.760 --> 1:07:31.880 is because, you know, in my mind, over analyzing this song, 1:07:32.480 --> 1:07:36.240 I'm like, Okay, there's a thirty two bar break, and 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:39.560 in that thirty two bar break on the left side, 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:42.160 the two girls have to set up the narrative perfectly 1:07:42.960 --> 1:07:46.000 where they're explaining how they got your phone number when 1:07:46.000 --> 1:07:48.040 they talk to you and da da da da. But 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:51.440 then on the right hand you hear you know, you 1:07:51.680 --> 1:07:56.160 Jesse or whoever talking shit about the same thing that 1:07:56.200 --> 1:08:00.640 they're talking about, and and it's it's coordinated perfectly, and 1:08:01.720 --> 1:08:04.040 it doesn't sound casual, like it doesn't sound like it 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:06.800 was just a happy accident, like yes, we're just going 1:08:06.840 --> 1:08:09.320 to take this thirty two bar break and talk shit, 1:08:09.840 --> 1:08:12.480 like there's an actual narrative that goes on. And like 1:08:13.000 --> 1:08:16.960 so when it comes to those those those moments in 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:19.720 the time songs when it's time to talk shit or 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:22.320 do humor and I'm talking about the kit KM Make 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:26.000 You Come, or even Chili Sauce or those songs, Like 1:08:26.120 --> 1:08:30.080 how important is that or was it just Prince? Like, Okay, 1:08:30.280 --> 1:08:31.960 I don't have another I don't have a third verse, 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:34.439 so let's just do a skit real quick, Like how 1:08:34.520 --> 1:08:35.440 is that organized? 1:08:35.840 --> 1:08:37.680 Well, you know, I think it was. 1:08:37.880 --> 1:08:40.160 I think it was more once we got the body 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:44.080 of the song, you know, versus hooks, and you know, 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:47.679 then you know, it was always Prince's plan to make 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:51.960 these to bring our personality to these songs, and you know, 1:08:52.120 --> 1:08:55.160 to make them you know, you know accessible, you know 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:58.120 and not I mean, we have the great musicianship. 1:08:58.160 --> 1:09:00.519 And then on the other hand, you know, make. 1:09:00.400 --> 1:09:03.000 It accessible through you know, like these vignettes and a 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:05.519 little comedy in there, and just have fun with it 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:08.200 to you know, just kind of you know, help people 1:09:08.280 --> 1:09:10.120 enjoy it. And I don't think that that was the plan 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:13.360 outright at that moment, but you know, that's what it 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:17.080 ended up being. He just wanted to bring personality to 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:20.400 the records. And you know, we always laughed and talked shit. 1:09:20.479 --> 1:09:22.640 We would go to the club, we would have a 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:25.439 good time, then straight to the studio and you know, 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:29.439 listen to what was on and get that fresh in 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:32.360 our brains and then straight to the studio and start cutting, 1:09:32.400 --> 1:09:35.120 you know with with what was hot in mind, and 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:37.160 you know, doing our own thing with it. 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:40.680 Okay, I knew you guys had to present to us 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:46.320 that you were above funk and above you know, like 1:09:47.240 --> 1:09:53.160 what what you what you mortals do? Like we're above that. However, 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:57.519 can you just name one or two songs or groups 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.360 that like all right? I respect that? Like, I know 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:03.599 you guys toured with Zap like yeah to them, were 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:07.040 they like they all right? Or was it like wo 1:10:07.600 --> 1:10:11.160 okay this like yeah, yeah, No, Zapp. 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:12.639 Was a hell of a band. I mean more bounced 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:14.080 to the ounce. Who can deny that? 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:14.320 Man? 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:17.960 That's you know, that's that's one of the funkiest songs, 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:20.599 you know, and and you know that's the way Roger 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:24.000 always presented it. He would make his band like stay 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:26.479 in that pocket, you know how you know, sometimes you 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:31.920 get excited and we we do that and and our temples, yes, 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:35.599 and they're higher than the record is. And you know 1:10:35.760 --> 1:10:38.439 that was okay because you know, you were in concert, 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:41.640 you know, the energy and and and then the excitement 1:10:41.720 --> 1:10:44.559 is there. But Roger always had his band, you know. 1:10:44.600 --> 1:10:47.200 It was almost like he would click it out and say, 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:49.200 you know, keep it right there. And it was always 1:10:49.280 --> 1:10:52.160 just slow and funky and know and they they always 1:10:52.240 --> 1:10:53.320 you know, had a great show. 1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:58.640 So you know, I mean, you know, there's thousands of 1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:01.080 funk songs that I love. 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:03.880 And could get down with, you know, but you know, 1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:07.719 we just we just wanted to present ourselves a little differently, 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:07.960 you know. 1:11:08.800 --> 1:11:13.200 Okay, I see what's what's the reasoning behind? You didn't 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:15.760 find it a little unusual that, like all of your 1:11:15.800 --> 1:11:19.880 records were just six songs. You know. 1:11:21.479 --> 1:11:24.600 It's you know, it's just like would you like a 1:11:24.640 --> 1:11:29.880 bucket of twenty four pieces of fried chicken taste all right, 1:11:31.000 --> 1:11:33.160 like a sixth piece, that's real good. 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:36.599 That's the quality, not quantity. 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:39.519 I'm like, no, But as a person who's made a 1:11:39.600 --> 1:11:42.280 multi track album in retrospect, is that kind of genius 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:43.679 than a way those did you always get paid? 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:47.639 Is way harder to make a classic with less songs? 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:51.360 Like yeah, to me, it's just contacts, right. 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:53.360 Because all the records that we look at that are 1:11:53.439 --> 1:11:58.920 classic are really under forty five minutes innervisions off the wall, 1:11:59.720 --> 1:12:03.439 dirty mind? What time is it? Like shorter? You know. 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:06.040 But it's also the thing. The risk of six songs 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:09.639 is like when you shoot your shot, you better hit 1:12:09.640 --> 1:12:12.360 that ship right right on target. 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:14.200 That's gotta be confidence. 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:18.120 So I meant were you were you at all like 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:22.960 uh word? Like okay, Well, after you heard cool and 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:26.559 these songs done, did you know instantly like, oh man, 1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:30.000 we're gonna blow up so big? Like did you feel 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:30.960 that at all? Oh? 1:12:31.040 --> 1:12:33.599 Yeah, it was It was crazy like that. I felt, 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:37.559 you know that we were really onto something. You know, 1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:41.479 when when we finished seven seven seven ninety three eleven, 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:43.760 I'm like thinking, hell, they ain't hurt nothing like. 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:45.240 This, you know? So right? 1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:47.439 You know, it's like you know, we just you know, 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:50.320 we always just felt like we were on point with it. 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:53.200 You know, we were in the moment and. 1:12:52.960 --> 1:12:56.320 We knew we were doing something innovative, and you just 1:12:56.360 --> 1:12:58.880 felt like we had something different, you know. So you 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:02.559 know I felt real good about you know, uh, each 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:05.760 each song on those six song albums. 1:13:06.160 --> 1:13:09.920 What was your life for like two months after the 1:13:10.680 --> 1:13:14.720 first Time album at least in Minnesota, Like was like 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:18.639 when did your life transform to whoa? 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:20.000 Well, you know. 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:23.759 Now now I'm this level well, you know, with Reggie 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:27.720 Hammond and in forty eight hours like buy it out. 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:31.840 I'm sure you know, brother, but you know if I 1:13:31.880 --> 1:13:34.400 went from you know, trying to stretch my little five 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:37.200 dollars to do the cover charge, to get a drink 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:40.160 to hold onto until the ice cubess milk, you know 1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:44.320 by the end of the night, you know, to you know, 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:49.000 to get it offered. You know, bottles of champagne get 1:13:49.000 --> 1:13:49.960 in for free. 1:13:50.280 --> 1:13:50.479 You know. 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:54.639 It's like when brothers need something for free, you can't 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:56.479 get it when you don't need it for free. 1:13:56.479 --> 1:14:00.439 When I'm actual throwing everything at me for you know, 1:14:01.320 --> 1:14:02.120 change like that. 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:04.720 You know, well, I just want to know I want 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:06.519 to circle back to this band leader thing now because 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:09.800 now you are the band leader, and I'm curious about 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:12.920 your evolution as a band leader. And if you thought, Okay, 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:14.360 this is in the beginning, this is who I'm going 1:14:14.400 --> 1:14:16.880 to be, but then everything kind of changed for you 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:18.840 because it's a lot of responsibility. 1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:23.200 You know, I've never you know, been like you know, 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:26.800 like Prince was a he was a band leader. You 1:14:26.840 --> 1:14:29.960 know what I'm saying. You don't play one note, you 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:33.880 don't wear one sock that he doesn't approve of, you know, 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:38.080 and you know everything is controlled and he's in control. 1:14:38.240 --> 1:14:40.280 You know, I've never been like that, you know, I've 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:42.200 always give him my guys, you know, a little room 1:14:42.320 --> 1:14:45.960 to express themselves. Just never been a hands on, like 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:49.040 dictator type of guys. So you know, I you know, 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:51.400 I always took a light handed approach, and I always 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:53.479 found that, you know, kind of like when you let 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:55.840 people express themselves a little more, you get a little 1:14:55.880 --> 1:14:57.400 more out of them. And I think that's kind of 1:14:57.439 --> 1:15:00.760 what happened with the time. You' The only time that 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:04.320 it really we really got clamped down on is when 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:05.599 Prince showed up to rehearsal. 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:07.000 I was going to ask was he thinking he was 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:08.960 a punk, like, come on, man, get him together. 1:15:09.400 --> 1:15:12.439 Yeah, No, it wasn't like that because he felt like 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:14.719 it was all his ship anyway, because we were signed 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:18.240 to his production company, so you know, when he comes in, 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:20.519 then the hammer comes down. But you know, I think 1:15:20.640 --> 1:15:22.640 some of our greatest moments when we came up with 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:24.880 the dance move the bird, and a lot of the 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:27.920 grooves we came up with were when he wasn't there 1:15:28.360 --> 1:15:30.680 what they did show up and you know, a lot 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:32.760 of times he liked what we came up with, but 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:35.120 you know, if he didn't, he would say he was 1:15:35.200 --> 1:15:36.280 quick to say he didn't. 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:37.559 And sometimes he say. 1:15:37.439 --> 1:15:39.559 I don't like that ship, and they turn around and 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:42.479 come back, and he wrote a song with the same 1:15:42.560 --> 1:15:43.479 groove that he heard. 1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:46.799 So he was just one of them kind of people. 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:47.040 You know. 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:51.800 He was good, so with with his with his with 1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:57.000 his attention to detail. You know, how hard was it 1:15:57.920 --> 1:16:02.679 in trying to bring seven seven, seven ninety three eleven 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:07.920 alive and jelly Bean not really nailing the snare part? 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:10.360 Yeah, well, yeah, you're you're right. 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:14.599 You know, I'm trying to be diplomatic, as. 1:16:16.920 --> 1:16:21.240 You know, never really able to grasp that drum beat 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:23.200 but he found a version of it. 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:24.080 I guess that. 1:16:24.439 --> 1:16:27.559 No, it works for him. Yeah, that straight on the snare. Yeah, 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:30.040 But okay, how come you guys didn't opt to do 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:34.680 the drum machine thing that the Revolution was doing, because. 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:38.080 You know, we always prided ourselves on being the live band. 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:41.000 No samples, no click tracks, you know, none of that. 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:44.799 So you know, we always opted to you know, whatever 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:47.360 it is, you know, keep it real. You know, I'm 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:50.000 not the greatest thing on the planet. You hear bad Nope, 1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:52.439 guess what You're gonna hear a few bad notes if 1:16:52.439 --> 1:16:54.519 you come to my concert. But guess what You're going 1:16:54.560 --> 1:16:59.519 to know that it's me singing, not a perfect track 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:01.840 that I put together that we hit and play just 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:04.280 to get by. You know, it's me doing what I do. 1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:14.639 Speaking of seven seven, seven ninety three eleven. Yeah, when 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:18.040 we when we when a lot of us, Jesse was 1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:20.960 all too gleeful to let us know that, you know, 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:28.519 Dave Garibaldi's beat number fourteen on the Linn drum, Yeah, 1:17:29.280 --> 1:17:33.240 was actually that like that program Like in our minds, 1:17:33.280 --> 1:17:36.440 we're thinking, like, yo, it's the most genius drum programming 1:17:36.840 --> 1:17:41.000 of all time. And Jesse's just all too happy, like 1:17:41.120 --> 1:17:46.000 mmm that it was pressed. So at the time, did 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:51.320 you know that Garibaldi had pre programmed the lind drum machine. 1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:54.920 Yeah, I absolutely knew that. Oh yeah, that's why I 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:55.760 was cool. 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:57.760 With the you know, using that, you know, because I 1:17:57.800 --> 1:17:59.840 was like, hey, this is one of my my drum 1:18:00.200 --> 1:18:03.760 rolls beats, you know, so right, so you know, yeah, 1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:04.120 you know, so. 1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:05.120 I was good with that. 1:18:05.479 --> 1:18:07.800 Was he ever made aware that, oh, you guys use 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:09.760 beat number fourteen from what I programmed. 1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:12.439 I told him that, you know, I told him when 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:15.040 when when I finally met him, you know, I met 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:18.160 Dave some years later, man, I when I was living 1:18:18.200 --> 1:18:21.040 in Vegas. You know, they were doing a show at 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:25.000 one of those small showrooms, and you know, I had 1:18:25.000 --> 1:18:27.400 a hot second to go back there and rap with 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:30.200 him and the other guys. And I definitely told him. 1:18:30.640 --> 1:18:31.800 Was he familiar with the song? 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:35.000 Like, oh, I'm sure, I'm sure he knew, you know, 1:18:35.120 --> 1:18:37.200 probably when he heard the song, he's probably. 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:40.040 Yeah, you know, that's my beat, Okay, I see. 1:18:40.200 --> 1:18:43.120 You know, at that point, it's public domain once you 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:46.000 put it on. The drummers come after somebody to say, hey, 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:48.800 that's my beat, you know, because at that point, he's 1:18:48.840 --> 1:18:50.040 already been paid for it. 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:52.960 Yeah, yeah, no, No, I didn't even mean for relatitious reasons. 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:53.679 I was meant. 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:55.799 Somebody's thinking that, though I was kidding myself. 1:18:55.920 --> 1:18:57.840 It's just me had my little two cents. 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:00.800 In case he's good. 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:06.400 So the thing is with you know, we're rehearsals as 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:10.759 super rigorous as the Prince rehearsals, because again, you guys 1:19:10.800 --> 1:19:14.479 only have like I can see you know Brown Mark's 1:19:14.520 --> 1:19:16.719 point of like, oh man, we're playing the same group 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:19.559 for four hours, but you know, Brown Mark is also 1:19:19.600 --> 1:19:22.719 dealing with the artist that not only has four five 1:19:22.760 --> 1:19:25.640 albums under his belt at that time, but you know, 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:28.920 other music pouring out of him. But you guys are 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:33.080 basically like in those first two years when you're only 1:19:33.120 --> 1:19:37.040 dealing with the six songs. Yeah, it's like, how many 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:43.040 ways did you guys have to perfect something that I'm 1:19:43.080 --> 1:19:45.639 certain that you had downpacked by a week? 1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:49.879 No, well, you know we did. The rehearsals were super rigorous. 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:52.559 That's like that's almost brother, that's almost like saying, how 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:56.040 many ways can you cook eggs? Because you know, we 1:19:56.280 --> 1:20:00.120 went in there and we rehearsed the song a certain way, 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:03.719 and then we would flip the arrangements and he would 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:07.559 be there, and I mean, he taught us a work ethic, 1:20:07.960 --> 1:20:11.400 you know, that was unbelievable. We would rehearse every day, 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:14.080 day in, day out, then go in. Then when the 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:16.360 next single come out, then we would we would flip 1:20:16.720 --> 1:20:20.040 the arrangement of the songs, change the arrangements of the song, 1:20:20.520 --> 1:20:22.120 and of all the songs. 1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:26.439 And then it was just always we rehearsed all the time. 1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:29.440 When we weren't on the road, we were rehearsing. 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:32.320 I know, rehears it makes a better band, but the 1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:34.479 part of me also felt like maybe just had you 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:38.960 there just to keep you from off the streets or 1:20:39.160 --> 1:20:41.719 just you know where my eye was on you. 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:44.799 But possibly, but we rehearsed to the point. 1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:47.920 And you know, I mean because if you uh, and 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:53.720 you may have brother question, but if you look at 1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:57.320 you know, our shows and all of the things that 1:20:57.360 --> 1:21:01.080 we did, you know, with those six songs and once 1:21:01.120 --> 1:21:04.200 it turned into twelve songs, and and from there on 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:08.479 we had, you know, a lot of choreography, a lot 1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:14.400 of of of arrangements, different arrangements from the record, and 1:21:14.960 --> 1:21:18.000 it was second nature. We rehearsed so much that you know, 1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:21.400 it was second nature. And at one point, you know, 1:21:21.479 --> 1:21:23.400 I look at the shows and we were so tight, 1:21:23.520 --> 1:21:25.759 you know that it was you know, it was amazing 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:28.160 to watch. You know, I'm not I don't even feel 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:30.400 like I can put myself in that mindset to be 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:33.920 as tight as we were. The moves me and Jerome 1:21:33.960 --> 1:21:37.480 did together, and the band did together, and the arrangements 1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:41.720 they were super tight. And that's like I said, we 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:45.000 had gotten to the point where, you know, people will. 1:21:44.880 --> 1:21:46.880 Walk away from the show when we did shows. 1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:49.600 With principally man time kicked that ass tonight, you know. 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:54.880 So it was it was intense, and you know, you 1:21:55.000 --> 1:21:57.320 might be right about what his motives were. I weren't. 1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:00.200 I'm not sure, but I just felt like he just 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:03.559 wanted us to be as tight as we possibly could, 1:22:03.920 --> 1:22:06.440 and you know that we definitely achieved. 1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:11.360 Okay, So all right now I'm gonna vicariously become a 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:15.320 member of the Time for a second. So, okay, Jellybeans, 1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:19.559 no longer your drummer, I'm your drummer. And it's nineteen 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:25.280 eighty two. How much money am I making a week? 1:22:26.040 --> 1:22:28.880 When if I'm in the time, by the time that 1:22:29.000 --> 1:22:29.920 what time is it comes. 1:22:29.800 --> 1:22:35.760 Out you make it about one hundred and fifty dollars 1:22:35.800 --> 1:22:37.599 a week plus per diem? 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:39.679 Was that quasi normal? 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:40.120 Was? 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:42.440 Well, I got my inflation calculator. 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:44.520 Do you have inflation calculator? 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:48.000 Yes? I do, because I always I'm so derivative of 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:49.880 the past. I even want to know what prices were 1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:53.479 back in the day. Yeah, so if all right, so 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:56.160 one hundred and all right, let's be nice and say 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:57.800 that I'm a good drummer that you guys gave me 1:22:57.800 --> 1:23:00.760 two hundred dollars. What is that formula? 1:23:00.920 --> 1:23:02.200 Yeah, I'm so curious. 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:04.960 Well, you got to get there's literally there's there's an 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:09.080 app called inflation calculator. Well, there you go. So I 1:23:09.080 --> 1:23:10.160 thought you were doing math. 1:23:11.040 --> 1:23:12.519 Dece' that smart? 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:17.439 I'm quasi smart. So two hundred dollars in nineteen eighty two, 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:25.280 when you get to nineteen eighty one, it is hang on, Yes, 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:26.920 I'm actually solving a math problem. 1:23:27.360 --> 1:23:30.080 You just got everybody down loaded down calculated. 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:34.080 Okay, so that would be six hundred and forty dollars today. 1:23:34.560 --> 1:23:42.800 That's something kind of paid someone to carry my records. Okay, 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:48.439 I guess I get it. But you get your own room, right, Yeah, 1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:48.880 but you know. 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:52.240 Back then, you know, none of us were really used 1:23:52.320 --> 1:23:54.120 to a steady paycheck. 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:55.880 You know what I mean, And you know, plus a 1:23:55.920 --> 1:23:57.080 per diem. You know, the per diem. 1:23:57.160 --> 1:23:57.519 I don't know. 1:23:57.560 --> 1:23:59.680 It was another ten to fifteen dollars a day, so 1:23:59.880 --> 1:24:01.400 you know, it was okay. 1:24:01.600 --> 1:24:02.840 You know, I might have got it up to eight 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:05.720 hundred dollars today by today's standards. 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:08.519 All right, But I'm only well, I'm trying to figure 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:11.439 out the thing is is that in our situation, we 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:15.320 were definitely not making money. So our whole thing was 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:19.519 we're going to stay on the road forever, because once 1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:22.559 we come home, that's when we become broke. At least 1:24:22.600 --> 1:24:25.120 on the road forever. There's okay, So I ask you 1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:28.800 in eighty two, is there such thing as a rider 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:33.800 like in my day? I knew early Okay, I want 1:24:33.880 --> 1:24:37.880 Golden Grams and Captain Crunch on every show. We want, no, 1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:40.960 I mean, but that's how we realized that, Okay, we 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:43.120 get a rider, So we'll make the promoter go to 1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:52.439 the supermarket and stock up one. Yeah, brilliant beats right. 1:24:52.640 --> 1:24:55.040 So I at the end of the tour, I'd mailed home, 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:59.040 you know, fifty boxes of cereal. Now of course. Unfortunately 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:04.639 I became morbal Leo beasts. I've lost the weight, stopped playing. 1:25:08.560 --> 1:25:10.760 But I'm saying there's a downside to that too. But 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:16.719 you know, like, are you able to take care of home? 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:18.759 I don't know what home is, like get your own apartment, 1:25:20.360 --> 1:25:22.639 that sort of thing. Or is it just like hand 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:25.160 of mouth, hand to mouth, hand of mouth. I got 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:28.320 a VCR. Now I'm going back to my aunt's couch. 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:29.040 Yeah. 1:25:29.160 --> 1:25:33.120 No, I I was making more money as as you know, 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:36.360 the band leader. I think, I be honest, I think 1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:38.680 I had gotten up to maybe you know, when we 1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:42.080 were out there with Prince and toured regularly. I gotten 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:43.479 up to maybe five grand a week. 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:46.880 Nice, that's awesome, that's all, okay, But I was asking 1:25:46.880 --> 1:25:49.519 if I was the jone at the time, you were 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:52.960 still getting to you know, six Okay, I get it, 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:53.880 I get it. 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:58.600 So but the rider was was cold cut Sandwiches. That 1:25:58.760 --> 1:25:59.320 was our rider. 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:07.519 Okay. May Now traveling wise, like is it fifteen passenger van? 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:12.439 Is it station wagon? Who's driving? 1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:16.960 Well, you know, we started out in station wagons and 1:26:17.080 --> 1:26:19.560 by the time, you know, we graduated to doing the 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:22.960 tours that we were on the nineteen ninety nine tour, 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:24.080 whatever tours. 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:26.320 Were on, we had our own tour bus. 1:26:26.960 --> 1:26:30.040 Okay, I see, all right, Now, the dumbest question I'm 1:26:30.040 --> 1:26:34.040 gonna ask, and I've never asked to anyone from Purple. 1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:36.400 I don't know. I don't I'm not I'm not a 1:26:36.520 --> 1:26:39.840 gotcha journalism person, so I'd never liked like gossipy questions 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:43.360 or whatever, like technical questions. But i just gotta know. Okay, 1:26:43.920 --> 1:26:47.560 So you guys are also in the midst of some 1:26:47.720 --> 1:26:51.439 of the finest women on earth. At least that's how 1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:55.320 they were presented to us. Oh yeah again, Ivanity and 1:26:56.240 --> 1:27:00.479 now you guys seen Susan, Brendan all them like morning, 1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:03.719 So I understand that there's the magic of the makeup 1:27:03.840 --> 1:27:06.080 artists and the hair and all stuff. No, no, no, 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:08.559 I'm just saying that I don't expect them to wake 1:27:08.680 --> 1:27:11.000 up in camou salls and ship. But I'm just saying 1:27:11.920 --> 1:27:12.360 you don't. 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:17.040 But Maloney and Vanity was hot in the morning. I 1:27:17.080 --> 1:27:19.439 don't care what you say. They woke up like that time. 1:27:20.439 --> 1:27:24.519 My whole, my whole point is that in you know, 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:29.439 I know, or at least my perception of how you 1:27:29.600 --> 1:27:36.080 guys were were there unspoken ground rules on the cock 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:43.280 blockage tip. Those words, No, I've never heard those words 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:45.679 put together. Like, I can't believe I said those words. 1:27:46.960 --> 1:27:47.720 I'm very proud of. 1:27:47.760 --> 1:27:50.320 You, Yo dog. I've been in situations where, you know, 1:27:50.600 --> 1:27:53.840 motherfucking drum text trying to holler at my joint or whatever, 1:27:53.920 --> 1:27:57.920 and like, yo, b that's called fired. Well you know 1:27:58.320 --> 1:28:00.439 I'm not that petty, because then I went the beginning. 1:28:00.479 --> 1:28:02.040 Oh man, he fired me because I was trying to 1:28:02.080 --> 1:28:02.280 talk to. 1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:05.640 The unspoken rule was. 1:28:06.040 --> 1:28:10.960 They all belong to Prince, so leftovers are good and 1:28:12.720 --> 1:28:16.960 if that's if that's what you was down for. The 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:21.639 unspoken rule was, hey, you know, print all mine. 1:28:21.960 --> 1:28:25.040 So some nerve can't handle all of them. 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:28.280 That's that's rather amazing. And I don't mean that in 1:28:28.400 --> 1:28:30.960 the sort of the PIMPI ish. Wow. I want to 1:28:31.000 --> 1:28:34.160 be that when I grow up. But I can't even imagine. 1:28:34.520 --> 1:28:35.800 I feel like Jed. 1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:38.000 I don't know, I just can't. I can't even I 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:41.439 can't even juggle the Tonight Show, a roots album, a movie, 1:28:41.560 --> 1:28:47.200 and a book, and man, my girlfriend, like, imagine three 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:53.479 of them. Isn't that what you're doing? Maybe I'm asking 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:58.280 for tips? How did he do it? Dude, multiple women 1:28:58.439 --> 1:29:01.400 is the whole thing. I can't. That's like I can't. Yeah, yeah, 1:29:02.120 --> 1:29:07.200 So I meant in being around in that atmosphere where 1:29:07.280 --> 1:29:11.519 they actually I know that the power of beautiful women around. 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:16.559 Actually they make the best wingmen. You know, they make 1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:20.360 the best wingmen almost, So in terms of that, like, 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:23.960 what was it like just in general? Oh wait a minute, 1:29:23.960 --> 1:29:27.720 I'm sorry, I got to stop this question, Stop this question. No, 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:30.720 I got some more important to ask. Something that just 1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:34.680 hit me right now. Jimmy, jim just recently revealed to 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:39.640 me that quote ah cock cock cock co and the 1:29:39.760 --> 1:30:01.519 kid can't make you come was your version Vanity's ad 1:30:01.600 --> 1:30:19.000 lib and Nasty Girl. Yeah, yeah, I know you got Look, 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:21.599 I know I'm talking inside baseball right now. I will 1:30:21.640 --> 1:30:24.759 explain to you guys way later. Okay, I'm hosting a podcast, 1:30:24.800 --> 1:30:27.680 so I gotta explained, ladies and gentlemen, listen. Okay, So, 1:30:29.040 --> 1:30:32.320 at the end of Nasty Girl, when Vanity has to 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:35.640 add lips somewhat before the breakdown of the song, she 1:30:35.840 --> 1:30:38.640 reaches for a few notes, which one of them is 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:51.599 a high note. Whatever. So I'm assuming that she tried 1:30:51.640 --> 1:30:54.800 to reach this high note in concert and I'm imagining 1:30:56.960 --> 1:31:00.200 that there is some mocking going on of her, maybe 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:02.880 not hitting the notes or whatever, whatever the case was. 1:31:03.360 --> 1:31:05.960 There's a skit, and I was talking about these skits earlier. 1:31:06.800 --> 1:31:11.280 There's there's a skit. There's a skit where I'm assuming 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:17.639 that that's Mark Mars's orgasm voice, and when he hits 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:20.920 his orgasm on this song on the skit, he does 1:31:21.040 --> 1:31:23.120 the I don't know it at the time, but he's 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:28.080 doing the vanity adlab whatever, And at first I just 1:31:28.120 --> 1:31:32.360 thought he was imitating a chicken. And then Jimmy Zam 1:31:32.479 --> 1:31:35.960 reveals to me, No, that was him. That used to 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:38.320 be our inside jokes. So can you can you explain 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:40.280 to me the genesis of how. 1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:41.760 That. 1:31:42.560 --> 1:31:44.000 I don't even think you need to explain it to 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:47.200 me because I can almost imagine that there had to 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:49.040 be some ribbing or teasing going on. 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:51.200 Oh man, Yeah, we used to do that a lot. 1:31:51.360 --> 1:31:53.120 You know when we were I couldn't. 1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:54.200 Hit on them, so you had to treat him like 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:56.320 second grade sandbox teasing. 1:31:56.520 --> 1:32:01.160 I get it, you know, we could, you know, hit 1:32:01.240 --> 1:32:02.479 on them, take our best shot. 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:03.240 See how I went. 1:32:03.360 --> 1:32:09.880 But you know, situation I just found him about and 1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:14.040 mir you don't know about Tony. 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:17.479 And Karmen Electric Oh yes, electric, Yes. 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:21.800 Yeah, I just I never knew how Tony Okay, I'm sorry. 1:32:21.880 --> 1:32:25.640 I found out that he allegedly got dismissed because he 1:32:25.800 --> 1:32:29.320 crossed that line. Anyway, so finish what you were saying 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:31.040 that was that was. 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:36.280 A line that if you cross was a dismissable lines. 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:40.760 But you know anyway, no, we we just used to 1:32:40.880 --> 1:32:42.599 kind of make fun of her and she really would 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:43.200 get pissed. 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:44.680 You know, we walked by the dressing room. 1:32:48.760 --> 1:32:52.639 You know, it was just yeah, that was our version 1:32:52.640 --> 1:32:54.519 of nasty girls. 1:33:01.600 --> 1:33:03.280 Since you ask him dumb questions, gonna ask. 1:33:03.160 --> 1:33:06.120 A dumb question, yes, please ask dumb question. But Maris, 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:08.680 I really I really appreciate you. I know you're doing 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:11.519 this just to be polite, Like I thank you for 1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:13.479 letting us nerd out on you. I just have to 1:33:13.520 --> 1:33:14.080 say that be good. 1:33:14.360 --> 1:33:17.000 No do I do too, But this is not my question, 1:33:17.080 --> 1:33:18.800 just for everybody else who may have still thought this. 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:24.240 So just officially, Laura's Day and Prince not related, right, wrong, 1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:28.080 They are your cousins. 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:30.000 That's that's the story. 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:33.559 But we just we're just brothers and the brother from 1:33:33.600 --> 1:33:37.320 another mother. Sense you know, but not blood related at all. 1:33:37.640 --> 1:33:39.320 And one more because I know you talk about this 1:33:39.439 --> 1:33:40.920 in the book, but I just need to know now 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:46.439 bringing Jerome in, at what point did you was it 1:33:46.520 --> 1:33:48.200 thought that he needed to be there? I know Jimmy 1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:51.439 told his version of the story and the evolution of 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:54.479 your relationship. Can you just talk about that a little bit. 1:33:54.600 --> 1:33:57.559 Well, you know, Jerome, he's just one of those guys 1:33:57.640 --> 1:34:00.120 you know to this day, you know you you you 1:34:00.240 --> 1:34:03.640 know Jerome. You know, he's a lovable guy, you know, 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:07.960 and you know he was just there at first. He 1:34:08.160 --> 1:34:12.679 was a real valet where and he would collect our luggage. 1:34:13.200 --> 1:34:15.720 You know, we're out on the tour bus, you know, 1:34:15.920 --> 1:34:18.519 twelve o'clock they say, having your luggage outside the door. 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:21.240 Jerome's getting the luggage, he's putting it on the tour bus. 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:25.320 He's getting us pizzas and whatever we want and doing 1:34:25.400 --> 1:34:25.640 all that. 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:30.679 And so we go back into rehearsal after the first 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:31.920 tour and. 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:38.439 We're rehearsing cool because that's going to be our second single, 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:42.200 and so you know, we rehearsing. We get to the 1:34:42.280 --> 1:34:44.920 part where I say, somebody bring me a mirror, and 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:49.280 you know, Jerome takes off grabs a mirror off the wall, 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:52.599 runs back up, shows up in front of me holding 1:34:52.680 --> 1:34:56.280 up a mirror, and everybody just kind of stopped playing. 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:59.200 We all looking at each other like that's going to 1:34:59.280 --> 1:35:02.280 be in the show. So that was it, you know, 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:04.760 from that moment on, Jerome was part of the band, 1:35:04.800 --> 1:35:06.240 and it just evolved from there. 1:35:07.320 --> 1:35:09.200 In the pants minds, we just thinkure y'all are just 1:35:09.280 --> 1:35:10.880 so close at this point. I don't know, it just 1:35:11.040 --> 1:35:11.880 it always felt like that. 1:35:12.760 --> 1:35:15.400 No, you know, it got to be that way speak 1:35:15.479 --> 1:35:19.360 speaking of Jerome and his duties. Okay, I've asked this 1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:23.760 question a lot, practically to every artist that has an 1:35:23.840 --> 1:35:28.639 on stage reputation, and the answer never satisfies me. Now, 1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:34.799 you're in a very specific situation because in your initial 1:35:36.160 --> 1:35:39.000 five year iteration, at least of the of the of 1:35:39.080 --> 1:35:41.840 the first draft of your your period with the time, 1:35:43.120 --> 1:35:46.000 you guys have basically worn the same outfit every time 1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:49.160 I've seen you. And the thing that that is that 1:35:49.400 --> 1:35:52.960 is baffling to me. And I've seen your I've seen 1:35:53.000 --> 1:35:57.479 these concerts and you guys are dancing, moving, sweating and whatnot. 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:02.719 When the show is over, are you getting into street clothes? 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:08.400 And how is your your your Presley jacket and your outfit. 1:36:09.400 --> 1:36:12.639 How is it clean and ready for the next night show, 1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:16.880 especially when you have to do six hours on the 1:36:16.920 --> 1:36:20.519 tour bus to the next city. And like, I just 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:27.080 never understood how one outfit could sustain, like that's your 1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:28.000 everyday outfit. 1:36:28.520 --> 1:36:31.880 Well that yeah, that that that pressley uh as I 1:36:31.960 --> 1:36:34.880 called it, uh it kind of it was, you know, 1:36:34.920 --> 1:36:37.600 it was like a uh is a Linus you know 1:36:37.720 --> 1:36:40.840 the security blanket. Man. You know, I don't even know 1:36:40.960 --> 1:36:43.960 if the dry cleaner back then because show show. And 1:36:44.080 --> 1:36:47.600 then my Stacy's my black and white Stacy's. When I 1:36:47.640 --> 1:36:49.799 say about to walk a hole in my Stacy Adams, 1:36:49.840 --> 1:36:51.840 I looked up and you know, Stacy Adams have some 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:55.519 thick souls on them, right, I had actually walked a hole. 1:36:57.600 --> 1:37:00.240 There was a hole in one of them. And so 1:37:00.560 --> 1:37:04.040 you know, that's just that's just what it was, man, 1:37:04.120 --> 1:37:07.840 And and and the pressley. I wore a thing until 1:37:07.880 --> 1:37:11.559 it fell. It basically fell off of me. And after 1:37:11.640 --> 1:37:14.040 it did, you know, we looked up and I said, Okay, 1:37:14.040 --> 1:37:16.840 we're doing well now. So then I start I started 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:19.920 getting custom clothes made from that point on. But you know, 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:24.360 that got me through my first at least tour and 1:37:24.479 --> 1:37:28.479 maybe first two tours. And you're right it probably I 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:31.280 was scared to dry clean it because it would have 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:32.519 fell apart a lot sooner. 1:37:33.800 --> 1:37:36.040 Where is that original Presley jacket? Now? 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:41.040 I don't know it's it's in uh, it's in stage 1:37:41.120 --> 1:37:44.639 clothes heaven, right now, you know, yeah, and I don't. 1:37:44.760 --> 1:37:45.400 I have no idea. 1:37:45.760 --> 1:37:48.680 It literally fell apart. I looked up one day after 1:37:48.720 --> 1:37:50.519 I came off stage and it was hanging off of me, 1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:53.040 and that was a sad day for me. 1:37:56.160 --> 1:37:56.720 Jacket man. 1:37:56.920 --> 1:38:00.200 Yeah, listen, I'm literally in Nashville. The Black is a 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:03.040 museum that should be in there, right, Yeah. 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:04.160 That's right. That is. 1:38:06.520 --> 1:38:06.760 Damn. 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:12.120 I'm sorry, I can't make it. Wow, that's that's crazy. 1:38:12.760 --> 1:38:18.559 He was invited. So no, the the movie premieres. So okay, 1:38:19.400 --> 1:38:23.719 at what point are you taking Prince seriously when he's saying, 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:28.120 all right, we're going to do a movie. And before 1:38:28.160 --> 1:38:31.920 I even answer that question, do you have any information 1:38:32.040 --> 1:38:36.479 whatsoever about the quote unquote the second Coming movie or 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:39.479 at least you know some some clips have finally wound 1:38:39.600 --> 1:38:45.160 up one line of you know, whatever idea he was 1:38:45.200 --> 1:38:48.920 flirting with with doing before that morphed into purple Rain, Like, 1:38:49.439 --> 1:38:50.880 were you guys going to be a part of that 1:38:51.000 --> 1:38:53.479 presentation as well? Or was that just him at the time? 1:38:53.840 --> 1:38:56.000 Yeah, it must have been just him, because you know, 1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:58.600 all I know is, you know, it came to me. 1:38:58.720 --> 1:39:00.840 You know, one day it's like, you know, Marris, we're 1:39:00.840 --> 1:39:03.000 going to do a movie. I was like, okay, you 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:05.200 know whatever, And then you know, next thing, I know, 1:39:05.320 --> 1:39:09.400 we're doing dance classes, we're doing acting classes, and all 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:12.920 of this going on. And I'm still not really taking 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:15.880 it serious because I'd never been involved in anything like that, right, 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:17.880 you know, I'm taking it all with a grain of salt. 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:20.439 But the next thing, I know that these directors and 1:39:20.880 --> 1:39:24.720 cinematographers and producers are starting to come to town. I 1:39:24.840 --> 1:39:28.800 was like, Okay, we're serious now. And next time I know, 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:31.160 we're in production. So I think at that point I 1:39:31.280 --> 1:39:32.920 started to take it serious. 1:39:34.280 --> 1:39:36.519 Okay. So then by that point it's like, okay, we're 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:37.200 really doing this. 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:38.240 Yeah it's real now. 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:43.160 Yeah, okay, So I okay, I just got to ask, 1:39:43.680 --> 1:39:47.040 at what point I assume that you always knew that 1:39:47.640 --> 1:39:53.000 Jimmy and Terry got snowed in Atlanta? Correct? Absolutely, Okay, 1:39:53.400 --> 1:39:56.160 and at this point, it's it's Jamie. Shoot, that's sort 1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:59.880 of you guys's tour manager or your wrangler, if you will, 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:04.120 pretty much Okay, So at the point where they're like, 1:40:04.240 --> 1:40:08.160 we can't get a flight out, what's happening on your 1:40:08.320 --> 1:40:12.000 side of the fence. It's just the four of you, 1:40:12.320 --> 1:40:15.360 no base no keyboard player. So at what point do 1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:19.080 you realize that you're about to do a timeless show? Like, 1:40:19.120 --> 1:40:21.200 are you guys trying to keep this from Prince's camp 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:23.880 until the very last minute? Like, at what point do 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:26.800 you have to break down to him and say they 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:28.120 aren't going to make the show? 1:40:30.080 --> 1:40:31.200 I think that Prince was. 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:32.160 He was in on it. 1:40:32.400 --> 1:40:36.400 You know, he knew more details than I did about it, because, 1:40:36.439 --> 1:40:38.680 like I said, you know, we were on tour, you know, 1:40:38.880 --> 1:40:42.280 and he was there with us, and he knew that 1:40:42.680 --> 1:40:44.720 they weren't going to make the show, and he was 1:40:44.800 --> 1:40:47.479 pissed about it because he didn't want any of us 1:40:47.640 --> 1:40:51.160 producing or writing for anybody else, or doing anything that wasn't. 1:40:51.040 --> 1:40:51.880 Related to the time. 1:40:52.360 --> 1:40:54.760 He suspected that they were producing. He knew that for 1:40:54.880 --> 1:40:56.639 a fact, or did he just think, like, oh, y'all 1:40:56.680 --> 1:40:57.960 fucking around with girls or something? 1:40:58.240 --> 1:41:01.640 Now he just knew that they were snowed in, uh 1:41:01.760 --> 1:41:05.800 in Atlanta, right, and so guess what he ended up 1:41:05.920 --> 1:41:09.800 with on off to the side of stage, playing bass 1:41:10.360 --> 1:41:12.839 with the keyboard in front of him. So he actually 1:41:12.920 --> 1:41:17.280 played those instruments that night, and we put Jerome over 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:19.120 where Terry would have been. 1:41:19.800 --> 1:41:19.920 Uh. 1:41:20.000 --> 1:41:23.880 So we had three people in front, Jesse, Me and 1:41:24.040 --> 1:41:26.600 Jerome and we just did the show like that with 1:41:26.720 --> 1:41:28.519 Prince playing bass off to the side of the show. 1:41:29.040 --> 1:41:30.839 And you put a hat on Jerome and the audience 1:41:30.920 --> 1:41:31.880 wasn't any other wiser. 1:41:32.320 --> 1:41:33.720 No, we didn't put a hat on him. We just 1:41:34.240 --> 1:41:37.160 let him be Jerome, you know, standing in that spot. 1:41:37.320 --> 1:41:40.400 But you know they heard the base going just like normal, 1:41:40.520 --> 1:41:41.400 so it was all good. 1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:47.439 Now, you know, these stadiums aren't totally one. Like, you know, 1:41:48.160 --> 1:41:52.040 I'm assuming that somebody from some angle had to see 1:41:52.080 --> 1:41:54.200 prints on the side plane, like is he hiding behind 1:41:54.280 --> 1:41:57.880 a curtain? Or yeah, how's he seeing? Yeah, how's he 1:41:57.920 --> 1:42:00.120 seeing the cues? Or like where's he standing as this 1:42:00.280 --> 1:42:00.719 is happening. 1:42:01.280 --> 1:42:02.960 He didn't need to see the cues. He knew to 1:42:03.000 --> 1:42:08.080 show he needed to show back than we did. 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:10.920 Did it feel just a little bit better when he 1:42:11.040 --> 1:42:11.559 was playing bass. 1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:13.960 Oh yeah, well it felt good. You know, we didn't 1:42:14.000 --> 1:42:15.479 miss sleep man, it was you. 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:18.280 Know, it was it was awesome. Who played keyboards? He 1:42:18.439 --> 1:42:20.800 did tandem at the same time. 1:42:21.120 --> 1:42:23.439 We had bass and keyboards, so you know, when the 1:42:23.520 --> 1:42:26.880 bass was more necessary, he played that, and when the 1:42:26.960 --> 1:42:29.600 keyboard was necessary he played that. 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:36.519 Oh wow, okay, I see. So when the acts is 1:42:36.560 --> 1:42:40.560 supposed to come down, are you two talking first or 1:42:40.680 --> 1:42:43.719 is he just going into executive order action without even 1:42:44.400 --> 1:42:48.320 consulting with his senate in his house first? Like, what 1:42:48.400 --> 1:42:48.800 should we do? 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:54.400 Executive order? Brother, We're in the studio, I want to 1:42:54.400 --> 1:42:58.800 say sunset sound, you know. And he had them come 1:42:58.880 --> 1:43:00.559 in and I didn't know we were in. They're cutting 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:03.840 We had cut ice cream castles that day. You know, 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:07.400 I did my vocals and we were just putting some 1:43:07.520 --> 1:43:12.519 fishing touches on and you know, Terry and Jimmy come 1:43:12.600 --> 1:43:15.320 in and I didn't know. I was glad to see him, 1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:19.240 you know, And right at that moment he told them, 1:43:19.320 --> 1:43:21.479 he said, you know, you guys have fired from the band. 1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:24.400 You know you you went to Atlanta, you missed the show, 1:43:25.080 --> 1:43:28.000 and you know you're fired. And that, you know, that 1:43:28.479 --> 1:43:30.559 hit me like a ton of bricks because my band 1:43:30.720 --> 1:43:33.280 was my band. You know, we were all brothers, you know, 1:43:33.720 --> 1:43:37.120 we had love for each other, and I was always 1:43:37.160 --> 1:43:39.120 one of them, you know, I was always one of 1:43:39.160 --> 1:43:42.880 those kind of guys that, you know, if Dave Garibaldi 1:43:42.960 --> 1:43:47.120 left Tower Power or you know whoever, you know, they 1:43:47.320 --> 1:43:50.000 lost an original member, then the band didn't feel the 1:43:50.080 --> 1:43:53.439 same to me, right, And I never wanted to be 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:54.639 one of those bands. 1:43:54.680 --> 1:43:57.439 And it just hit me like a ton of bricks 1:43:57.479 --> 1:44:00.560 that all of a sudden, we're one of those you 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:02.479 know where where what. 1:44:02.720 --> 1:44:03.120 Was his name? 1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:06.840 He used to saying lead and Sammy Hager. 1:44:06.600 --> 1:44:09.559 Came into Yeah, yeah, exactly, Van Healing. 1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:13.639 You know, it's just you can't change members, like it's 1:44:13.760 --> 1:44:15.960 just not the same. So you know that that that 1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:17.720 just hit me like a ton of bricks. 1:44:17.520 --> 1:44:23.080 Man, and just no, you were I think you just 1:44:23.200 --> 1:44:23.920 had to roll with it. 1:44:24.080 --> 1:44:25.640 And yeah, yeah, and I had to roll with it. 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:27.519 And all of a sudden, here comes these new members 1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:30.800 and I'm looking back and and that's the moment really 1:44:30.920 --> 1:44:32.639 where it really hit me, where it's you know, it's 1:44:32.720 --> 1:44:35.360 really time for me to start to think about, uh 1:44:35.479 --> 1:44:36.640 going and doing my own thing. 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:42.120 So was he it's so weird because I would imagine that. 1:44:43.280 --> 1:44:46.479 I don't know. I never pegged him as being super 1:44:46.640 --> 1:44:51.440 confrontational because he's so his image wise was so elusive 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:55.400 or mysterious that I can't you know, I have I've 1:44:55.520 --> 1:44:58.840 probably had to fire you know, maybe five people with 1:44:58.960 --> 1:45:02.000 my entire career, and man, i'd be losing sleep over 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:04.400 that ship at night, called therapist, like, man, how I 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:06.800 do right? Letting people slip? 1:45:06.840 --> 1:45:07.040 All right? 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:07.280 Right? 1:45:07.360 --> 1:45:10.400 Man, just don't let it happen again, please, But like 1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:13.960 he was confrontational. 1:45:13.400 --> 1:45:18.439 Like that, like just yeah, yeah, cut, just point blank, 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:21.840 just saying whatever's on his mind, just and and and 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:24.479 a lot of times, not really much emotion behind it, 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:26.880 just how you would think of him to talk, you know, 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:27.360 you're fight. 1:45:28.160 --> 1:45:29.960 You know, you guys missed to show it's. 1:45:29.800 --> 1:45:32.800 Not your priority, you know, and that and that's it. 1:45:33.000 --> 1:45:33.160 You know. 1:45:34.160 --> 1:45:35.479 I wouldn't say necessarily he. 1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:38.800 Wasn't afraid of of of confrontational act, you know, because 1:45:38.800 --> 1:45:40.960 again it's like I want to make sure I'm covering 1:45:41.000 --> 1:45:43.760 my ass because like I mean, not for nothing, but 1:45:43.800 --> 1:45:46.200 you also dealing with brothers and ship, right, you know, 1:45:46.560 --> 1:45:49.160 So it could have went another way like motherfucker. 1:45:48.760 --> 1:45:52.400 You had zon in and then yeah, well you know 1:45:52.560 --> 1:45:55.320 he always kept you know, uh, you know, a big 1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:56.280 three hundred pounds. 1:45:56.320 --> 1:45:56.479 You know. 1:45:56.840 --> 1:45:59.519 Oh, I forgot about tors off to the side. 1:45:59.600 --> 1:46:01.200 You know, he gotten to the point where he just 1:46:01.360 --> 1:46:02.479 kept security with him. 1:46:02.520 --> 1:46:05.160 So you know, well, are you allowed, are you allowed 1:46:05.200 --> 1:46:08.880 to answer back? Are you allowed to say that song 1:46:09.040 --> 1:46:12.880 was whack? Or you know, like, are you allowed to 1:46:13.120 --> 1:46:13.840 make fun of him? 1:46:14.640 --> 1:46:17.040 I always spoke my mind, you know, with him, you know, 1:46:17.160 --> 1:46:19.880 and that was that was both good and bad for us. 1:46:20.000 --> 1:46:21.639 But you know, I always told him if he played 1:46:21.640 --> 1:46:24.640 something for me that I liked, you know, you know, 1:46:24.680 --> 1:46:26.800 I would say it, but I wouldn't lie to him, 1:46:26.840 --> 1:46:28.960 you know, just like when he played, uh and this 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:33.439 is in the book, you know, but when he played 1:46:33.479 --> 1:46:36.320 when Dubs Crying for me. You know, I'm listening to 1:46:36.439 --> 1:46:40.040 the song and you know, we're we're three three quarters 1:46:40.080 --> 1:46:41.479 of the way through the song, and I ain't heard 1:46:41.520 --> 1:46:46.360 a bass yet. You know, I'm like, I'm like, I said, 1:46:46.400 --> 1:46:48.920 there ain't no bass in the song, man, And and 1:46:49.160 --> 1:46:51.040 uh it's like, yeah, that's what I want. 1:46:51.200 --> 1:46:52.320 I said, Man, I got out the car. 1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:54.040 I said, Man, next time you play something for me, 1:46:54.160 --> 1:46:56.400 make sure it's funky and make sure it has some 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:56.920 bass in it. 1:46:56.960 --> 1:46:59.360 And I kind of slammed the door, you know what. 1:47:04.240 --> 1:47:06.400 And that one, that one kind of came back to 1:47:06.479 --> 1:47:08.519 bite me on the ass because it ended up being 1:47:08.560 --> 1:47:12.360 a number one smash for me. Right, But when I 1:47:12.479 --> 1:47:15.160 first heard it, I wasn't chilling it and I expressed 1:47:15.200 --> 1:47:15.600 that to it. 1:47:16.479 --> 1:47:22.120 Yeah, I was gonna say, it's so weird because all 1:47:22.160 --> 1:47:25.680 of you guys are are characters, and the thing is 1:47:25.840 --> 1:47:29.479 is that you know, there's there's a side of himself 1:47:29.520 --> 1:47:37.759 that he expresses, especially with sexuality that yes, it works 1:47:37.800 --> 1:47:42.439 spot on and it's bullseye, but it's also like, you know, 1:47:43.600 --> 1:47:45.679 is he going to you guys to be like, look, 1:47:45.720 --> 1:47:47.800 I created a new song called do Me Baby. It's 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:49.679 eight minutes long and it's going to be a little awkward, 1:47:49.720 --> 1:47:53.080 but listen to it, Like, is it weird where he's 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:57.720 playing you guys like some of his weirder shit where 1:47:57.720 --> 1:47:59.720 it's sort of like, Okay, where are you going with this? 1:48:00.640 --> 1:48:03.360 Or does he just like only give you the funk 1:48:03.439 --> 1:48:07.800 shit like okay, this is called nineteen ninety nine or 1:48:07.880 --> 1:48:11.720 this is you know, like I'm did he ever get 1:48:12.120 --> 1:48:15.640 was it ever an awkward thing when he's showcasing a 1:48:15.760 --> 1:48:23.160 song that uh kind of crosses the lines or boundaries, 1:48:23.920 --> 1:48:26.240 like today there's no line that can't be crossed, like I, 1:48:26.760 --> 1:48:29.040 you know, make the Stallion can release some shit and 1:48:29.160 --> 1:48:30.760 it's be like, okay, yeah, she's talking about her web 1:48:30.800 --> 1:48:33.680 ass pussy. But you know, back in the day, like 1:48:34.000 --> 1:48:36.360 someone says, I sincerely want to fuck the taste out 1:48:36.400 --> 1:48:39.320 of your mouth. Like yeah, it's like you never heard 1:48:39.360 --> 1:48:42.720 that shit before unless it's a Blowfly record. So like 1:48:42.880 --> 1:48:44.960 is it awkward in front of you guys where like 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:48.800 you're hearing your boss have your five for three boss 1:48:48.880 --> 1:48:52.519 have like orgasms on records and shit, yeah, talking talking 1:48:52.560 --> 1:48:55.559 in an English accent right right now. 1:48:56.400 --> 1:48:57.560 He's especially me. 1:48:57.760 --> 1:48:59.920 You know, he would corner me with a lot of stuff, 1:49:00.040 --> 1:49:02.479 you know, because that's just how we were back in 1:49:02.520 --> 1:49:02.800 the day. 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:07.040 We hung out, you know, we cut you know all 1:49:07.080 --> 1:49:07.439 the time. 1:49:07.560 --> 1:49:09.120 Like I said, I played a lot on a lot 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:11.880 of his songs, and you know, obviously he played on 1:49:12.000 --> 1:49:16.960 just about every time song until maybe after Ice Cream 1:49:17.000 --> 1:49:19.519 Castles when we did Pandemonium. Then you know, he started 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:22.880 to kind of slack off, but he would always play 1:49:22.960 --> 1:49:24.599 me stuff because I would always be there. 1:49:24.520 --> 1:49:25.080 In the studio. 1:49:25.200 --> 1:49:27.600 So he's always played and you know I understood his 1:49:27.840 --> 1:49:33.000 avant gardener's, his his weirdness and and and he just wanted. 1:49:33.320 --> 1:49:36.240 To be different, and you know that was his thing. 1:49:36.320 --> 1:49:38.920 And that's that's really what got him, you know, in 1:49:39.040 --> 1:49:44.040 trouble at the Rolling Stones concert, because he wanted to 1:49:44.160 --> 1:49:47.240 switch from I Want to be Your Lover, you know, 1:49:47.640 --> 1:49:50.880 and and all of a sudden he's you know, running 1:49:50.880 --> 1:49:53.680 around half naked, you know, playing new wave songs. And 1:49:54.240 --> 1:49:56.200 you know, he could have I think, you know, he 1:49:56.240 --> 1:49:58.760 could have rose a lot quicker. And he took a 1:49:58.880 --> 1:50:03.800 dive you know in his popularity and sales for that 1:50:04.439 --> 1:50:05.479 Dirty Mind record. 1:50:05.840 --> 1:50:06.760 But it took him in a. 1:50:06.800 --> 1:50:10.240 Direction that you know, actually led to where he ended 1:50:10.360 --> 1:50:13.640 up being. So he was definitely a risk taker. And 1:50:13.840 --> 1:50:15.880 he played me a lot of stuff and I just 1:50:16.040 --> 1:50:18.920 kind of understood, you know, his thought process, you know, 1:50:19.040 --> 1:50:20.519 and some of the stuff I liked, some of. 1:50:20.600 --> 1:50:21.120 It I didn't. 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:25.120 Is there a song of his that you wish you 1:50:25.320 --> 1:50:31.640 guys had for yourselves? Well, okay, I know that International 1:50:31.720 --> 1:50:36.000 Lover was supposed to be for you. Oh yeah, yeah. 1:50:36.479 --> 1:50:38.599 At any point, did you actually cut your own version 1:50:38.640 --> 1:50:43.719 of it. Oh, where can we You can't. 1:50:45.040 --> 1:50:47.920 Unless you can get in the vault, you know you can. 1:50:48.080 --> 1:50:50.080 But I sang that song. 1:50:50.720 --> 1:50:53.600 I sang. I sang it first, okay. 1:50:53.800 --> 1:50:57.439 And then I just think he's decided that he liked it, 1:50:57.720 --> 1:51:00.160 you know, more than he thought. And and and then 1:51:00.360 --> 1:51:03.080 you know, next thing, I know, I uh, he came 1:51:03.200 --> 1:51:04.720 back to me. He's like, I don't like I don't 1:51:04.760 --> 1:51:06.840 like your vocals. I don't like what you did, he said, 1:51:07.040 --> 1:51:09.280 you know, I said, okay. So then the next thing is, 1:51:09.640 --> 1:51:11.280 you know, he's like, well I did it for myself, 1:51:11.360 --> 1:51:12.920 you know. So I listened to it, and I was like, well, 1:51:13.080 --> 1:51:15.640 that's great, you know, you wrote it. So but he 1:51:15.760 --> 1:51:18.240 did the same thing with seven seven seven nine three eleven. 1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:20.680 You know, I'm up, you know, he said, you know, 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:22.360 I got some stuff to do. I'll leave you sing 1:51:22.479 --> 1:51:25.360 the song. I'll come back. I did the vocals. He 1:51:25.520 --> 1:51:29.240 came back from wherever he was, and he's like, I 1:51:29.439 --> 1:51:31.400 don't like it. You know, you know, he said, I 1:51:31.479 --> 1:51:32.519 hate how you sound on it. 1:51:32.560 --> 1:51:33.240 Blah blah blah. 1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:37.400 I said, uh, okay, cool. So I go back to 1:51:37.520 --> 1:51:40.960 the hotel. About nine ten o'clock the next morning, he's 1:51:41.000 --> 1:51:43.240 calling me, you know, meet me downstairs in the car. 1:51:43.320 --> 1:51:46.280 We're getting a limbo. He's like, I love this man, 1:51:46.400 --> 1:51:47.479 I love the way your voice. 1:51:50.240 --> 1:51:54.679 So he wasn't he wasn't cutting your vocals half the time? 1:51:56.040 --> 1:51:57.880 No I, I you know, I had gotten to the 1:51:57.920 --> 1:52:00.280 point where I would do you know, I cut the 1:52:00.360 --> 1:52:01.040 vocals myself. 1:52:01.320 --> 1:52:01.439 Was it? 1:52:01.760 --> 1:52:04.160 Yeah? I was gonna say, is it cutting vocals is 1:52:04.160 --> 1:52:06.400 such an intimate experience? Uh? 1:52:08.160 --> 1:52:08.200 Like? 1:52:08.360 --> 1:52:12.000 Were you like, were you uncomfortable if he's sitting there 1:52:12.080 --> 1:52:14.880 like micromanaging your vocals or it's just like all right, 1:52:14.920 --> 1:52:15.960 I'll leave and come back. 1:52:16.040 --> 1:52:20.320 And No, I was very comfortable with him because you know, 1:52:20.520 --> 1:52:23.880 he's he's such, you know, such a great producer, you know, 1:52:24.040 --> 1:52:26.000 and he knew how to get the best out of me, 1:52:26.080 --> 1:52:27.040 and that's why he taught me. 1:52:27.120 --> 1:52:27.960 And so you know,