Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Trend
Speaker 1: Lasso Sees Trend three. I am Jack and I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: to be joined by the writer and researcher for the
Speaker 1: Daily's like guys, mister Jam mcnah hello, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me and Jam. We are fortunate to be joined
Speaker 1: for a very first segment by superproducer Becca Roma and
Speaker 1: we are thritten now just just the three of us.
Speaker 1: What if I just kind of introducing people. Yeah, Becca,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for joining us on such short notice.
Speaker 1: You there was an emergency we did need to bring
Speaker 1: you into explain what is happening with Selena Hailey Justin
Speaker 1: for all the Lasso heads out there. We'll get to it.
Speaker 1: Not really, we'll talk about some merch that they dropped,
Speaker 1: but this is a story that we were going to
Speaker 1: talk about yesterday didn't get to. But um, I have
Speaker 1: been seeing mention of some manner of controversy between Selena
Speaker 1: Gomez Haley and Justin Bieber and then you're saying brands
Speaker 1: are getting involved. What's that brands are getting involved? It
Speaker 1: came through one of my newsletters that I follow Big Spaceship,
Speaker 1: But this tweet is from or the threat is from
Speaker 1: Sophia Rawl's spelled our uhl s at the end of that.
Speaker 1: But she tweeted, since it's Women's History Month, here's every
Speaker 1: brand slash company that it's disgracefully engaged in the recent
Speaker 1: witch hunt of Haley Bieber. I agree. I think it
Speaker 1: is really disgraceful. No matter what side you land on
Speaker 1: this debate, I think it is kind of just really
Speaker 1: gross to think that it's like okay to a pit
Speaker 1: women against each other on the internet and be just
Speaker 1: I don't even have proper words because A I don't
Speaker 1: really enjoy these people, all of them involved. They're all
Speaker 1: rich celebrities, right, So like, how bad can we feel
Speaker 1: for a bunch of rich celebrities? Can you explain what
Speaker 1: the just controversy? Like, jam and I are fully on board,
Speaker 1: and there's so many things going on, we know all
Speaker 1: about it, but you tell us so we make sure
Speaker 1: jam and I the reason we had to bring you in.
Speaker 1: Jam and I got into such a violent argument about yeah,
Speaker 1: about Selena or be I don't know what justin j Dailey,
Speaker 1: Jayley and Jelena Okay, day just between the three of them. No,
Speaker 1: So this has been a long gooing conversation for years
Speaker 1: and years and years. In the pop culture community of
Speaker 1: Selena Hailey, Justin stands because Selena and Justin dated for
Speaker 1: many years, like seven or eight years, but it was
Speaker 1: on and off. Justin was notoriously not a great partner.
Speaker 1: He I don't want to say abuse her, there's no
Speaker 1: allegations of that, but there was definitely cheating allegations and
Speaker 1: just general you know, not healthy. It was a toxic
Speaker 1: relationship between the two of them, and they famously were
Speaker 1: together like months before Hailey and Justin got together and
Speaker 1: got married. And it was supposed that he spent Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day with Selena the year that he started dating Haley,
Speaker 1: like literally days or weeks later, And I saw that
Speaker 1: like he and Selena went on a famous date where
Speaker 1: he like rented out the Staples Center for their date
Speaker 1: and what to watch, uh, Titanic, I believe, which I think.
Speaker 1: So it seems like a bad venue to watch a
Speaker 1: movie when you got money, honey, you gotta make a statement,
Speaker 1: you gotta not see it in a movie theater. And
Speaker 1: then it's saying that I can rent the Staples Center,
Speaker 1: you know, totally. But ever since Haley and Justin got together.
Speaker 1: There's been from the Selena camp this witch hunt against
Speaker 1: Haley Bieber, being like she's copying Selena. She she is
Speaker 1: such a mean girl, and I'm not going to negate
Speaker 1: any of those things. You know, she is a privileged
Speaker 1: white woman who married a man of her dreams that
Speaker 1: allegedly people were saying potentially her dad maybe arranged that
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, who's the saying I'm not
Speaker 1: in these rules, But I don't think it's fair the
Speaker 1: hate she's been getting lately on the internet. There's just
Speaker 1: been this split on TikTok where it's like, supposedly Haley
Speaker 1: Bieber sub tweeted in the form of a TikTok a
Speaker 1: trend that was like God's timing is a ladies right
Speaker 1: about Selena? Basically kind of shitn't on her. And then
Speaker 1: Selena famously was like I'm getting off in the internet
Speaker 1: right now, and then everyone was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Selena's mental health, like we must eat at Haley Bieber.
Speaker 1: And then it's just been this war between Haley and
Speaker 1: Selena and people doing these supercuts of like taking videos
Speaker 1: in a context being like, oh my god, Justin doesn't
Speaker 1: even like her, like and once again not negating that
Speaker 1: those things are true, because notoriously, Justin seems like a
Speaker 1: bad partner. But I think that brings in the conversation,
Speaker 1: why are we not talking about that? Why are we
Speaker 1: pitting two women against each other? One woman who seems
Speaker 1: very insecure in her marriage and in her relationship and
Speaker 1: in life. She's very young and is being pitted against
Speaker 1: one of the most famous people on the planet. Selena
Speaker 1: has the most Instagram followers in the world, Like she
Speaker 1: has been famous since she was four on Barney. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not easy competition, to say the least, So there's
Speaker 1: just a lot. I think people need to get offline
Speaker 1: and go touch grass. As we were mentioning on tomorrow's episode,
Speaker 1: like it is very much if you feel the need
Speaker 1: to get on the Internet and say something nasty about
Speaker 1: Haley and Selena in this specific context where none of
Speaker 1: us are involved in their relationships, their love lives, what
Speaker 1: goes on behind the scenes, honestly, and if you have
Speaker 1: any opinion on this conversation and you're not interrogating Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber of it all, then your problem. You know, like
Speaker 1: he seems like the common denominator, the overall trend is
Speaker 1: to just shit shit on Haley Beaver. Like even at
Speaker 1: the Vanity Awards, people are taking clips of her being
Speaker 1: at the Vanity Fair after not Vanity Awards. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: the officer Vannyfair after Oscar after part yet um she
Speaker 1: awards Sanity Awards because everyone's looking core Gina. Um No,
Speaker 1: but she's sitting there taking photos and like people are
Speaker 1: going in the photos behind her, and typically you have
Speaker 1: handlers that are like making sure no one's walking behind
Speaker 1: you to take these photos. And people are even taking
Speaker 1: that like clip of her looking upset from someone walking
Speaker 1: in her photos being like yese. Even her team doesn't
Speaker 1: like her, Like everyone fucking hates this bit, like is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like you're not even there in those circles to
Speaker 1: know what's going on, you know, like get offline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like any of these people, but like I'm
Speaker 1: not sitting here wanting to hate on either women. It
Speaker 1: is women's historym mouth. This is embarrassing for us. So anyway,
Speaker 1: all that to say, this thread is just brands choosing
Speaker 1: Selena like jumping on the hay train to ship on Haley.
Speaker 1: You got to do a lingo in here. I always
Speaker 1: want to know what their opinion is on the young
Speaker 1: people's relationship. Literally, you got Hulu commenting literally being like
Speaker 1: what language is this and how can we start speaking it? Okay,
Speaker 1: being like I want to speak the language of Team
Speaker 1: Selena for a secret um literally ripping up their ads
Speaker 1: that have victoria or that aspeci victory they have Haley
Speaker 1: Bieber on them. That's crazy. Yeah, you have a face
Speaker 1: tune cutting Haley Bieber out of this famous photo that
Speaker 1: Selena and Haley took not too long ago that we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be kind of squashing the beef between the
Speaker 1: two of them. Yeah, but what is what a Burger
Speaker 1: and sunny d think of all? This is exactly they say.
Speaker 1: We don't know, we know you didn't ask, but we're
Speaker 1: team seleiner. Um, you have BuzzFeed doing a mean girl
Speaker 1: attribution attribution. Wow, I can't speak today all sorry. Um,
Speaker 1: Starbucks and Dutch Bros doing their chip jars is a
Speaker 1: Team Selena versus Team Haley BuzzFeed. I'm gonna allow it
Speaker 1: because they are just like, that's their point is to
Speaker 1: be like snark, like media company and like if the
Speaker 1: if it helps the Starbucks employees get more pips. Sure.
Speaker 1: And also they're not like being mean to one side
Speaker 1: or the other. They're just putting their names on the
Speaker 1: tip jars, whereas yea, they have the tips having a
Speaker 1: brand like a Hamburger company that's probably run by like
Speaker 1: some sixty seven year old white guy be like, we
Speaker 1: know you didn't ask, but we're team Selena is just like, so,
Speaker 1: disn't in the slaughterhouse and yeah, exactly. Literally, it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's just gross. And I just ask everyone. I
Speaker 1: know this was a chaotic explanation. I've been just deep
Speaker 1: in it y'all on TikTok. I just want to out
Speaker 1: to interrogate the internalized misogyny maybe of choosing these two
Speaker 1: to be pitted against each other, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, there's a long series of allegations and
Speaker 1: evidence that Justin Bieber is not great. And that's not
Speaker 1: to say that he hasn't suffered from, you know, mental
Speaker 1: health crises and that he hasn't gone through a lot
Speaker 1: as someone who is exploited as a pop star from
Speaker 1: a young age. But is he a good partner to
Speaker 1: his wife? I don't think so, based on everything going on.
Speaker 1: Was he good partner to Selena Gomez. No, and I
Speaker 1: would never wish on Selena to get back with him,
Speaker 1: and I would never wish on Haley to be having
Speaker 1: a bad partner, like that's not good for anyone, to
Speaker 1: have a partner who's not supportive, who doesn't seem really
Speaker 1: interested in you, doesn't seem like they love you. That sucks.
Speaker 1: So there's my aunt, all right, welcome, Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: I do feel like I now know what all of
Speaker 1: this bullshit means, and women and the listeners appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think just like generally, I do go online
Speaker 1: and just ask the internet for all my relationship advice.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's good and smart and they
Speaker 1: never failed me. I will say, Barbie's silence is deafening.
Speaker 1: All right. So on the ted Lasso front, Nike just
Speaker 1: released some jerseys of the fake team from ted Lasso,
Speaker 1: complete with sponsorship from the also fictional tech startup Banter,
Speaker 1: and you can buy those for the lolow price of
Speaker 1: one hundred and five dollars. The Lasso heads are out here.
Speaker 1: Apparently there was also a ted Lasso Build a bear
Speaker 1: that cost eighty four dollars. But this is the last season, right,
Speaker 1: So they're trying to get in there, get as much
Speaker 1: as you can. I guess, yeah, I mean I liked
Speaker 1: Ted Lasso, but yeah, when you have a Build a
Speaker 1: Bear it looks like Jason Sadekis, it makes it really
Speaker 1: hard to not turn against the show. Right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a pretty cute Build a Bear, but I
Speaker 1: mean I do I did buy it, I did order it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, I didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 1: And then, just in keeping with our overall trend that
Speaker 1: we're seeing where brands are the new protagonist, the new
Speaker 1: like if you want to make a movie, you want
Speaker 1: to get a movie greenlit, make a movie in which
Speaker 1: Wendy's is the protagonist and people people will be on board.
Speaker 1: But the other problem I'm seeing with covering this trend
Speaker 1: from my end is the trailers look like good to me,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, the Air Jordan trailer like Air. I mean,
Speaker 1: it looks silly, but it looks also like something that
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a good time at the movies,
Speaker 1: just turning my brain off and watching. And now there
Speaker 1: is a trailer out for a BlackBerry movie and I
Speaker 1: don't don't know. Yeah, like again, it's it seems like
Speaker 1: a bad symptom for our culture overall, that this is
Speaker 1: what we're making our movies about. But it also as
Speaker 1: somebody who lives inside our culture, I am subject to
Speaker 1: its whims and am into these movies because for the
Speaker 1: same reason that, like I don't know, succession is popular.
Speaker 1: You know, Shakespeare wrote about the royals. That's who runs
Speaker 1: the world now, and so of course we're gonna want
Speaker 1: to watch movies with brand protagonists. But the BlackBerry movie
Speaker 1: looks like it's like a kind of rollicking comedy with
Speaker 1: Jay Barrischell, who I'm a fan of. Lenn Howarton playing
Speaker 1: a evil corporate straight man looks like he shaved his
Speaker 1: head into a male pattern baldness for the role, which
Speaker 1: admirable commitment, looks like shit, almost unrecognized. But Jam, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Are you gonna be black bearing it
Speaker 1: up at the movie theaters? I probably will. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to tell you about this movie is
Speaker 1: it was actually directed by a friend of mine. Oh, Matt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's in it. He's one of the guys. He's
Speaker 1: the guy that's not Jay Barrichell or or Glenn howardton
Speaker 1: wine in the trailer that made me laugh out loud. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like pitching it based on Star Wars and
Speaker 1: then was like, wait, have you seen Star Wars? We'll
Speaker 1: look at that. Yeah exactly. So yeah, Matt and I
Speaker 1: went to a film school together and stayed friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'll definitely be seeing it at a certain point.
Speaker 1: But he you know, I was thinking about it. I
Speaker 1: hadn't watched the trailer until just before the podcast, and
Speaker 1: I was watching it, I was thinking of something Matt
Speaker 1: said a long time ago, which was remember the movie Primer,
Speaker 1: where they it's like the time travel movie, but it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of like you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: just guys building things and yeah, yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: an indie movie that is made on an indie budget,
Speaker 1: and like you can see that in almost every shot.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it like it's ingenious, like
Speaker 1: how they did it. It has since become like a
Speaker 1: thing that is like known mostly for having annoying fans
Speaker 1: who want to explain it right, yeah, exact its Yeah,
Speaker 1: but remember I remember at the time Matt was like, uh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a fan of the movie, which was surprising
Speaker 1: because most of the other people our age really liked it,
Speaker 1: and I remember him saying that his problem with it
Speaker 1: was that like whenever you meet like tech guys like that,
Speaker 1: like they're usually funny, like they're joking around, they're being silly,
Speaker 1: they're goofing off as they're like, you know, working on things,
Speaker 1: and that all the people in the movie were just
Speaker 1: deadly serious the whole time. Yeah, Christopher Nolan type shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just forgotten about that until watching this trailer. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is kind of like that. It's
Speaker 1: like one of these sort of serious movies about you know,
Speaker 1: like the social network or something like we're creating this
Speaker 1: tech thing, but then some of them are just silly, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I'll go see it. The other
Speaker 1: thing I was going to say is I think it's
Speaker 1: a I'm guessing part of the reason why he wanted
Speaker 1: to make it is because, and I didn't know this
Speaker 1: before this, but the BlackBerry apparently was created in the kitchener, Ontario,
Speaker 1: which is like just a little past Toronto, like not
Speaker 1: too far from here, so so there's like a local connection. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I'm interested. But I'm like, you, like
Speaker 1: I when I hear about these brand movies, my I
Speaker 1: roll my eyes. But then I'm also like, I saw
Speaker 1: that Tetris trailer. I was like, oh, this this is
Speaker 1: what happened with Tetris. I guess I'll watch this. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of learned my lesson with the
Speaker 1: Social Network where I was like, uh, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be dog shit, it sucks, and then the Social Network
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Everybody did Everyone thought it was a joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it did make Mark Zuckerberg look both way cooler than
Speaker 1: he is in reality and also terrible. Like but anyways,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and Aaron Rodgers is going to the Jets,
Speaker 1: famously bad franchise. Do you follow American football at all, jam, No,
Speaker 1: not really. I know who Aaron Rodgers is, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was going to the Jets. Now
Speaker 1: is that official or is that just like a rumor
Speaker 1: he said that he's preparing to play for the Jets
Speaker 1: or something like that. But it does seem like he
Speaker 1: is the level of talented, like famous and also annoying
Speaker 1: to work with that if he wants to do something
Speaker 1: in the franchise that he's with, chooses not to do it,
Speaker 1: then he will make it annoying enough that they'll just
Speaker 1: like go ahead and do it. So I think it
Speaker 1: seems like his current team, the team has been with
Speaker 1: his whole career. The Packers are working on getting him there.
Speaker 1: So we'll say, but for some reason, just like when
Speaker 1: New York has interesting, compelling sports teams, I am more interested.
Speaker 1: Like I was excited that the Knicks were mounting a
Speaker 1: campaign to be a pretty serious team in the East
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and this at least gets me excited
Speaker 1: just because it's one of the big cities and they've
Speaker 1: had a rough run for a while when it comes
Speaker 1: to professional sports. And then just an update on something,
Speaker 1: a story that we talked about a while back that
Speaker 1: is now coming to fruition. So in this Vice article
Speaker 1: says this week in news that is surely a sign
Speaker 1: of a healthy functioning society. An elementary school in Alabama
Speaker 1: has deployed a nation whiteboard mass shooting safe room, meeting room,
Speaker 1: sensory deprivation chamber for overwhelmed students. And this is I
Speaker 1: remember it was in the immediate aftermath of one of
Speaker 1: the many mass shootings and just talking about how terrifying
Speaker 1: it is to send my kids to school, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of parents for them to send their
Speaker 1: kids to school and just know that that's a possibility.
Speaker 1: And like this came up and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is both like horrifying, Like it's just a horrifying sign
Speaker 1: of like a dystopian, post apocalyptic society, and also like
Speaker 1: I would want that in my kids classroom, assuming it works.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, like just the idea of you know, being
Speaker 1: in the position of those parents who are on the
Speaker 1: outside of the police tape as you're just like waiting
Speaker 1: for the results of a school shooting, you know, like
Speaker 1: and there's nothing thing you can do, like is one
Speaker 1: of the base nightmares that you have as a parent
Speaker 1: in this country. And so um, yeah, both horrifying and
Speaker 1: also like totally see why schools would It's also just
Speaker 1: like the most American thing. Rather than like putting reasonable
Speaker 1: restrictions on gun access, which would cut down on costs,
Speaker 1: you just get rid of any restrictions on gun access,
Speaker 1: but then also sell an additional product that can you know,
Speaker 1: boost the economy. And but of course like that, there
Speaker 1: are questions about like how to schools afford this when
Speaker 1: there's no funding for schools, like Yeah, it's like you
Speaker 1: can't even afford fucking school supplies. You can't afford paper
Speaker 1: and shock. But yes, yeah, we'll put a bat cave
Speaker 1: in your school, right. Yeah, so cool country, but it's
Speaker 1: just so much work compared to you know, yeah, just
Speaker 1: enacting reasonable kind of control laws. It's just regulations. We're
Speaker 1: allergic to them, folks, or we've we've convinced ourselves we're
Speaker 1: allergic to him. Anyways. Uh, some people think Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: get the oscars because of Nicole Kidman, So there's that
Speaker 1: that can't be right. I know it seems like bullshit,
Speaker 1: but I feel like we see them together at events sometimes. No,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. But according to the Daily Mail,
Speaker 1: jam oh come so exactly. Okay. I assumed it was
Speaker 1: because there was the scientology joke and they were like, okay,
Speaker 1: is he cool with us? And he was like, I
Speaker 1: will not be there. They ran l Ron hubba hubba
Speaker 1: past yes, and he had people they didn't take them
Speaker 1: and he was he was out. Yeah. That was kind
Speaker 1: of surprising that he wasn't there because he yeah, he
Speaker 1: was supposed to be, I think, but I can't imagine
Speaker 1: post and like I remember, like in the Cup, Like
Speaker 1: the run up to it, people being like, and Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise will be there and be like the center of
Speaker 1: attention because he like saved movies this year with Top Gun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was going to be like yeah, I heard some
Speaker 1: people saying he was gonna be like the Nicholson of
Speaker 1: the Oscars this year, like they're gonna put him front
Speaker 1: and center kind of. Yeah, he didn't like the l
Speaker 1: Ron hubbabba jokes, tell you that much. But they broke
Speaker 1: up like twenty five years ago. Like yeah, and this
Speaker 1: feels together. Yeah, this feels like a story that was
Speaker 1: put out by Tom Cruise's team to like just you know,
Speaker 1: smoke bomb like a bunch of confusion. He was probably
Speaker 1: just like expunging theatins somewhere right something of or joining
Speaker 1: a motorcycle off of a cliff. Yeah, for some reason,
Speaker 1: that's what that was. The other Actually, so they my guests,
Speaker 1: based on my very limited understanding of how these things work,
Speaker 1: is that his team put this anonym sourced thing out
Speaker 1: there then not anonymously shot it down. It was like,
Speaker 1: actually he's off shooting Mission Impossible eight and there were
Speaker 1: unforeseen scheduling conflicts and so it's just like it creates
Speaker 1: a story that leads us off any semblance of like
Speaker 1: what actually was going on, or they just realized that
Speaker 1: people don't like seeing Tom Cruise. We like seeing Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise movies where he's pretending to be someone doing something dangerous,
Speaker 1: but like actually seeing Tom Cruise as himself out in
Speaker 1: the world, I think it's probably less appealing and has
Speaker 1: the potential to go off the rails. Like even when
Speaker 1: he does things like I remember during the pandemic he
Speaker 1: did that video where he just went to the movies.
Speaker 1: He went to go see Tenant, Yeah, and strapped on
Speaker 1: a Yeah. He's super intense and like even that was
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds long and people were like that was weird,
Speaker 1: Like and all was with him going to a movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just does everything to the stream. Yeah, and he would
Speaker 1: look like bane he had this like giant mask on
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, that's what That's the kind of
Speaker 1: mask movie stars got. I'm just I have like a
Speaker 1: piece of cotton. Yeah, Yeah, he had he had one
Speaker 1: of the masks that like had the valves on it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which we I think had already learned at that point
Speaker 1: that that was like good for protecting you, but like
Speaker 1: you were just shedding virus like when you wore it.
Speaker 1: But they were like, yeah, well that doesn't really factor
Speaker 1: into what Tom Cruise wears on his face. Guys, They're like,
Speaker 1: it's Tom Cruise. His people are like, I assume everyone
Speaker 1: wanted to be sprayed by his essence. They sit for
Speaker 1: two and a half hours in a room with him.
Speaker 1: Did see him in person once. He is a glorious
Speaker 1: specimen of humanity. He appears too just like hover off
Speaker 1: the ground like a half inch at all times. It's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. That was just the lifts, oh right, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like shoes light up and he rolls around
Speaker 1: on them. Got unfamiliar with those kids shoes, Jam, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for doing it. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you? You can find me on Twitter at Jam
Speaker 1: McNab Again. All right, that's going to do it for
Speaker 1: us this afternoon. We are back tomorrow with the whole
Speaker 1: last episode of the show. Until then, be kind to
Speaker 1: each other, be kind to yourselves, get the vaccine, don't
Speaker 1: do nothing about white supremacy, and we'll talk to you
Speaker 1: all tomorrow. Fight