1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that gets you 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: inside NRG Stadium. I am back from Phoenix, and let's 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: begin the show like this. By the way, John Harris 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: is coming out in segment two to talk about Ed 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: Oliver at the uh Pro Day today, so you don't 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: want to miss that. But John McLean from the Houston 7 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Chronicle still in Phoenix at the NFL meetings wrapped up 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: now the General making his way back. So John, let's 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: talk about the rule changes. Let's talk about reviewable past 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: interference offensively and defensively. This is a huge development. Mark 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: I think I'm like everyone else. I was stunned, not 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: that they said that they would review replay, but then 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: when they put in they could challenge it for non calls. 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: And of course that was in direct response to the 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: controversy at the end of the NFC Championship game, which 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: two officials missed a blatant interference call, non dimensioned an 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: egregious hit on a defenseless receiver. But all week we've 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 1: been told, in the week leading up to it, they 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: weren't going to do that, and then I believe Sean 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: Payton made it impassionate played a couple other coaches like 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett talked about it, and the coaches really spearheaded 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: this with the owners. The competition committee was four or 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: four and then the day before and then Sean Bayton 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: got involved and he thought the media the day before 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: to do nothing shows that you had no problem with 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: what happened. So they decided to replay offensive and devens 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: the passion interference could be reviewed and even if there 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: was a non call. Now I think there's going to 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: be a lot of controversy with it, but blatant penalties 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: like that, we shouldn't have to worry about them anymore. John, 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: Are you with me that I'm actually glad they did 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: the non call part of this, because had they not, 33 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: I think officials would have aired on the side of 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: throwing too many flags and put it up to the 35 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: coaches put the onus on them to challenge of the 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: call is incorrect. Now I think they'll just call it 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: the way they see it and it's still up to 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: the coaches. But I think too many flags, maybe extra 39 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: flags would have been thrown had they not put the 40 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: non call element in there. Your thoughts, I'm with you 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: on that, Mark, I believe, and also Remember, the coaches 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: can challenge up to two minutes left in each half, 43 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: and then it's going to be up to the replay official. 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: There's no eyeing this guys. Guy Judges A lot of 45 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: people wanted that they have in that Alliance American Football, 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: but he's going to have to be on top of 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: the situations too. All the decisions, of course, are made 48 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: in New York in the office of Supervisor Official Alberta. 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: River On. And so I think it's good for the game. 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: I think that we will see more calls. But the 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: main thing is, you know, coaches, they still just have 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: their two challenges and if they get the one right, 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: then they get another one. And I think they'll still 54 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: save one for late in the game. That you know 55 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: what if Sean Fieden had used his challenges and the 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: championship game and they had that Griges error, then he 57 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: would have been Oops, why didn't I save one of those? 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: So I don't think we'll see a lot of challenges, 59 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: and I think but it's certainly going to be good 60 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: for the game. But John at the big error like 61 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: the one of the Saints game, happens inside two minutes 62 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: to go, and the officials don't like, don't look like 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: they're going to stop the game. I don't know. If 64 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm a coach, I'm running out on the field and 65 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a penalty just to give it 66 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: a little more time, and maybe they do have a 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: look at it, and I'll just go ahead and take 68 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: the penalty after they enforced the original penalty. You know 69 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, there's got to be a 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: way that you can stop things that if you don't 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 1: have a time out, well, that's one of the better 72 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: keep the time out, especially in playoff games because we 73 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: see so many things happen in the last five minutes 74 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: of a fourth quarter and even in overtime. But I 75 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: think it's good. I think he certainly created a buzz everything. 76 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: I thought it. I thought it they were going to 77 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: table it to the main meetings, as they did kan 78 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: City's proposal for each team getting a possession in overtime, 79 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: and they were on the verge of doing it, and 80 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: then all I have never seen I figured up. I 81 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: have been to thirty seven NFL owners meetings in the spring, 82 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: and I've never seen a situation. It goes from who 83 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: hume to all of a sudden, such a buzz created 84 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: late on Tuesday. Yeah, and they got it done by 85 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Tuesday evening, which was different right Usually Wednesday it's a 86 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: little bit more of a newsday, but they just were 87 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: determined to get this thing done so everybody could digest 88 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: their meals on Tuesday evening. They wanted to do it 89 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: while it was hot, and I don't think they got 90 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: out of there until about seven o'clock. And the news 91 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: conference afterward with Roger Goodell and Richard McKay and Troy 92 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: Vince untime lasted about thirty minutes and it was quite 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: interesting as well. But I can't wait to see how 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: this is implemented and what kind of controversy it causes 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: and what kind of games it saves. John such a 96 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: transitional year as far as ownership, because four owners passed 97 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: away over the past year, including mister McNair. And there's 98 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: a special coming out on NFL Network, and I think 99 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: people will see in a lot of different places called 100 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: a Lifetime of Sundays about the four. I mean, these 101 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: ladies should be on the female mount rushmore of the 102 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: NFL when you're talking about Missus McCaskey, Rooney Hunt and 103 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: also Forward and now Missus McNair joins them as a 104 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: surviving widow and she owns the team. I know you 105 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: had a chance to visit with her in a big 106 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: pieces coming out Sunday in the chronicle. What was your 107 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: visit like? What can people look forward to out of 108 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: the piece you're writing on Missus McNair and the Texans 109 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: and also the Titans, Amy Adams, Trunk and the Saints 110 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: Gel Vince and they were in there, involved in every meeting, 111 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: as was James McNair, who is taking a much more 112 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: active role since Bob died. I think of November the 113 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: twenty third, and she was in a lot of the meetings. 114 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: You know, in the past, when it was executive session, 115 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: there were two Bob and Call. This time it was 116 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: Janison Cal and I talked to Roger Goodell about her 117 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: and Cal was really good talking about her. And she's 118 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: still so sad, you know. It's like she said, it's 119 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: been four months. He wasn't supposed to leave me, But 120 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 1: she's trying to turn the grief to gratitude and great 121 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: memories and everything they shared together since they met in 122 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: college at a dance and Bob was so poor he 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: didn't have a car. He had to he had to 124 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: hitchhike or catch a ride. But she talked about how 125 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: great he looked at that dance, and once they danced, 126 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: they were smitten. She was smitten with him, but he 127 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: didn't call her for two months, and then he did. 128 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: They saw each other again and and of course they 129 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: were married. They came to Houston in nineteen sixty. But 130 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: she's got a lot of confidence in Cal as the 131 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: chairman who runs the franchise. But he said he does now. 132 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: Cal said that he used to when Bob couldn't come 133 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: to practice and he was undergoing treatment, call would call 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: him every day when he left the office and tell 135 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: him what was going on. And Janis said that really 136 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: helped bottom during that ordeal. And he says now he 137 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: does that with his mom. When he leaves, he calls her, 138 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: tells her everything that happened during the day, because you 139 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: know Cal's around. He goes to practice, he meets with 140 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: Jamie Roots, Bill O'Brien, Brian Gaine, wants to know what's 141 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: going on, and they like working for him because the 142 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: McNair's have been very good about spending money given resources 143 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: that they need to succeed. And the bottom line is 144 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: with Janis is the controlling owner and kel is the chairman, 145 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: there's not going to be a change in the way 146 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: that our organization operates or the way they are in 147 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: the community with their philanth tropic causes. John McLean joining 148 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: us still in Phoenix with the NFL meetings, John One 149 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: about the Texans offseason moves. Since you and I last spoke, 150 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: they signed Matt Khalil, left tackle, and it's not exactly 151 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: like signing a high priced free agent here. He is 152 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: somebody who can help them up front your thoughts on 153 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: that particular acquisition. If he stays healthy, As former coach 154 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: Ron Rivera told the media, I believed that they didn't 155 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: know if he would stay healthy. The Texans gave him 156 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: a physical, he worked out over there, and they liked 157 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: what they saw. Brian Gaines said, they'll be smart about 158 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: the way they bring him back from his knee surgery 159 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: last season. If he stays healthy and he's on the 160 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: roster for every game, he can make maximum in seven 161 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: and a half million with a base salary of three 162 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: point two five. If he's on injured reserve or one 163 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: of the others, his base will drop down to one 164 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: point two five, I think, and he gives a signing 165 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: bonus to something and so it's a it's a calculated risk, 166 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: but they've given him motivation to be healthy and if 167 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: he's healthy, should be able to help him. But he's 168 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: another free agent that doesn't eye count against compensatory formula. 169 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: Right now, Brian Yaine is plus three for two thousand 170 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: and twenty compensatory picks. I think, Mark, they'll sign another 171 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: player two, and maybe they'll be unrestricted with the team 172 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: and knock that plus three down to plus two or 173 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: plus one, or it could be in a couple of 174 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: guys like they already have, in which those guys were 175 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: cut or not tendered and then they don't count against 176 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: the formulas. So you can tell in these moves that 177 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: Brian Yaine wants to build through the draft, has got 178 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: an eye on picks, and because you can't have too 179 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: many picks, whether you want to make trades now you 180 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: can trade good story picks and river This is all 181 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: for two twenty, not for two nineteen. But I like 182 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: the way they've gone about it. John, You and I 183 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: were there with Bill O'Brien on Tuesday morning during his 184 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: hour long session with the media. What stood out to 185 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: you about that visit. We spent so much time. You know, 186 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: it's the only time of the year and coaches have 187 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: to sit still for about an hour, whether being interviews. 188 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: And one of the things I'm sure Bill appreciated this 189 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: year was not like last season when he must have 190 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: been asked twenty times but different members of the media 191 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: about Deshaun Watson's knee J J. Watson leg. He didn't 192 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: have to answer conditioning questions, rehabilitation questions. You know, the 193 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: Texans a good get a good spot. Now it's all 194 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: about personnel, you know. Can you bounce back from the 195 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: Indianapolis lost? Can you win the division for the fourth 196 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: time in six years? Can you keep the calls from 197 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: passing you in the standings? And people wanting to know 198 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: about the team, and some people are asking about coaches, 199 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: like defensive coordinator Romeo Carnelle offensive coordinator Kim Kelly. I 200 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: wrote a story yesterday, it's on Texas Sports Nation about 201 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: all the things he said about Deshaun Watson and how 202 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: he expects him to improve and why. And Deshaun of 203 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: course counted thirty one this year, which is amazing, and 204 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: he did it when we all saw him play injured 205 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: for a few games. But the key for them, and 206 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: as Bill pointed, is out. One of the things that 207 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: will help Deshaun is if you could have will Fuller 208 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: at kik QT healthy with de Andre Opkins, and that 209 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: would help him. And so when you listen to him 210 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: talk about everything, it's hard not to get fired up. 211 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: I went over to talk to Frank Ryan, Mike Rabel, 212 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: and Doug Morone and listening to them basically rose to me. 213 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: Any of the coaches, unless they're hopeless with no prayer, 214 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: you get really fired up about the season. John, do 215 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: you get the feeling that in the AFC, South Tennessee 216 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: is looking up at everybody else right now based on 217 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: the Jaguars defense and what Nick Foles could possibly bring 218 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: to them, or is it still a situation where that 219 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Jacks have to I mean, obviously they have to fight. 220 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: They're way out of what they did last year. But 221 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: what are you thinking, as you've been to the owners 222 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: meetings now and talk to a lot of people, Well, 223 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville, considering how bad that Jaguars were last year, 224 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: would have to be last. You know, they went from 225 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: first to worst. Texans went from worst to first. Maybe 226 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: Jacksonville with the addition and Nick Foles, they'll go from 227 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: worst to first. The thing is, I don't think anybody 228 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: will pick Tennessee to win the division. Most people are 229 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: going to pick Indianapolis since they beat the Texans twice 230 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: at Energy Stadium, and then it'll be like, who's Chase 231 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: Who's the closest Tennessee or Jacksonville catching the Colson Texans. 232 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: And tell you what, though everybody said this, Mark and 233 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: we know this, we don't have to be told. The 234 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: division could be the best in football, could be the 235 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: most competitive. With Foles going to Jacksonville and hopefully for 236 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: the Jaguars fans giving them a legitimate quarterback since Blake 237 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: Burrel's inconsistency. The division is going to be so tough, 238 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: but it's also going to be fun to watch. What 239 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: do you make of Gronk retiring John It wasn't really 240 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: a surprise. Maybe the timing of it. Some people thought 241 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: it was orchestrated to take the heat off Robert Kraft. 242 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: But knowing Gronky, I don't think he thinks about things 243 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: like that. His agent, Drew Rosenhau, said he wouldn't be 244 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: surprised he didn't change his mind, and he's had so 245 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: many injuries, so many surgeries. Maybe after missing the offseason program, 246 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: training camp, maybe he will change his mind. But the 247 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: Patriots need another tight end. I don't have one. Stephen 248 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: Anderson is there tight end and they have to do that, 249 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: whether it's in the first round or later round. He 250 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: waged too late to help them in free agency, you know, 251 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: but there wasn't a lot Jared Cook. He's going to 252 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: be thirty three this season, so it leaves a big 253 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: hole in their offense. I know the Texans defense won't 254 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: be too unhappy when he comes to a team where 255 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: the Patriots come to Energy Stadium that they don't have 256 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: to worry about grin Goowski, who really had a good 257 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: game against him last season. And he's a Hall of Famer, 258 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: and in my book, he's the first ballot Hall of Famer. 259 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: He is the best tight end I've ever seen as 260 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: far as size, speed, receiving, and blockie. You know, I'm 261 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: glad you brought it up, because this whole topic has 262 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: made me really look back carefully at you look at 263 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Kellen Winslow senior and what he did with the Chargers. 264 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: I know he wasn't the blocker that brought that Gronck was. 265 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: And Gronk was able to offer so many different things 266 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: as a tight end to the Patriots. Ozzie knew somebody 267 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: look at his numbers. I mean there were some really 268 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: good ones back in the day. Even Todd Christensen, Dave 269 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: Casper played well as well. I mean, I had a 270 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: lot of guys out there who could do a lot 271 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: of damage. But you know, clearly Gronk does look like 272 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: the best. But your thoughts on some of the older 273 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: guys who aren't maybe getting the run they should in 274 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: this whole conversation, the guys you mentioned they weren't blockers 275 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: like Gronk, ASKI. They're receivers. Tony Gonzalez, a great receiver 276 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: who was the first ballot Hall of Famer. And if 277 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to put somebody in who was as great 278 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: as Gronk was in all areas, and I don't care 279 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: that he only played nine seasons, that he was hurt 280 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: an average of three games this season. I know what 281 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: I saw, and I've been watching Nflson's nineteen sixty and 282 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: covered it for over forty years. I'm voting for him 283 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: on the first ballot. And I think he's the best 284 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: I've ever seen all around. Okay, thank you, General. Don't 285 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: forget to check out John mcclin's article on cal McNair 286 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: is special on Janis McNair in the Sunday Chronicle. All 287 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: of that now, John Harris joins us next, and Johnny's 288 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: going to talk about at Oliver he saw him up 289 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: close and personal today and also let's get into it 290 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: about the new rules and everything else around the league 291 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: with John Harrison's coming up next on Texans Radio. For 292 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, I catch up 293 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: with John Harris here on Texans All Access here in 294 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: the Hunday Texans Radio studio. Thanks to the General John 295 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: mcclin for being out day. All right, Johnny, we had 296 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot to cover, Okay, as Rich Lord would say, 297 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: a lot of ground to cover, and you covered the 298 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: ground at the University of Houston today. Let's get into 299 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: that first UH pro day and Oliver on display. How 300 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: was he? Wow, he's an interesting dude on a lot 301 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: of different angles. We knew going to the combine flashback 302 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: to combine a little bit. We knew going to the combine. 303 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: All the talk was how tall is he was? He? 304 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: Going away, like what's his height weight? So when he 305 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: went to the combine, he ended up essentially being six 306 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: two two eighty seven. Everybody's like, oh, that's good, he's good. 307 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: Six two two eighty seven. Do you remember shortly after 308 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: the combine there was a conspiracy theory that came out 309 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray may not be five ten and an eighth. 310 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: Remember that there was kind of a there was kind 311 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: of a there was kind of this conspiracy theory that 312 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: maybe that was a little bit taller than he actually was. 313 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Really so, the first thing that the guys do at 314 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: University used to pro day is do their height and 315 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: wait right, and Byron Lesbie is the area scout for 316 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: the Coats, and he's doing the height, and one of 317 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: our guys was doing the weight, and so it Oliver 318 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: walks up, looks of Byron, says not doing it, walks 319 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: over the scale and got on a scale. So he 320 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: didn't get measured again for the for his height. Oh 321 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,719 Speaker 1: so wait a minute, so height measurement. No, he did 322 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: a height measurement at the combine, all right, but he 323 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: he he was almost six two, which I think people 324 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: know stretching a little bit. But it got me thinking 325 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: about the whole kind of murray thing because at five 326 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: ten and eight people thought that was stretching a little bit. 327 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: So where the combine heights a little bit, oh a 328 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: little bit more than what they were, I don't know 329 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: either way. He chose not to get measured again on 330 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: his height, but he got on the scale and he 331 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: got on at two eighty one. But the combine is 332 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: a big deal ever, he said at two eighty seven, 333 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: Ed Oliver has never played it down a football in 334 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: his life. At two eighty seven, I can promise you that, 335 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: and I promise you that he didn't play much, if 336 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: at all, at two eighty one either. He's probably more 337 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: to seventy five at his best and probably where he 338 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: needs to be, which is problematic, but that's where he 339 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: needs to be. But he ran in the four seven range. 340 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: It's funny. I was standing there watching with our buddy 341 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: David Dunio from MAYBC thirteen, and we were across the 342 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: way where they had all the media and other others 343 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: that weren't scouts across the way, and I was watching 344 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: and he ran it, and I turned in David and said, 345 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: that's in the four sevens and he's like, how do you. 346 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I just have seen enough of the 347 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: ease that over the years that I kind of have 348 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: an idea. And I was like, that's just I kind 349 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: of felt like he would be in the high four 350 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: six low four sevens. He was like four seven two, 351 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: which two on eighty one pounds. It's still really really, 352 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. It's still ridiculously good. And his short shuttle 353 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: time was excellence, like four one nine. His three cone 354 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: was like seven one something. Those are the things he 355 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: didn't do it the combine he did those. And then Mark, 356 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, there were about five or six defensive 357 00:18:53,920 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: line coaches there, Ravens, Ram Ravens, Colts, Eagles, Raiders, Bengals. 358 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: They all wanted a piece of him. They all wanted 359 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: a piece of him. And so the Ravens defensive line 360 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: coach like ran them through bags in different things, and 361 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: it was really allowed to really put them out. Everybody's 362 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: allowed to have a little time with them. So this 363 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: is what I found out. So I found out. I've 364 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: talked to some scouts on this. Actually I think I 365 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: got this from Brian Gay. At one point he said, 366 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: if the coaches are there, the coaches take precedent to 367 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: the scouts. So if there are no coaches there, the 368 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: scouts run all these drills. But no, there are no 369 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: coaches there, than the scouts do it. But if there 370 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: are coaches there, especially D line coaches, they'll run the drill. 371 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: I saw mark more head coaches, GMS, defensive coordinators, and 372 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: D line coaches than I've ever seen any pro day 373 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: I've ever been to. Really, I've been to a bunch 374 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: of them, even even Johnny's Pro Day. I don't remember 375 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: seeing that many. That's incredible. I don't remember saying Fred Oliver. Now, 376 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: Isaiah Johnson's the corner. And he got hurt during the 377 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: bench best. Now, I don't know how bad it was. 378 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: He tweaked it. I don't know how bad it was. 379 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: He stopped after some at some point and he went 380 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: over had a train to look at it. But he 381 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: ended up, I believe, doing his position drills later on. 382 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: So I think he was okay. But he didn't do 383 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: any other testing. He didn't need to because combined testing 384 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: was so good. So yes, they were there to see 385 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: at olver and so the Ravens defens line coach puts 386 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: him through his drills. Then the Oakland Raider defensive line 387 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: coach wants a piece of him. Then the Eagles defensive 388 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: line coach wants a piece of him, and then Vrabel 389 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: wanted a piece of him. And so Vrabel played tight 390 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: end as we've seen him do with Ed Alver, and 391 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: it was it was kind of fascinating to watch to 392 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: see that go on. And Ed mentioned yesterday that the 393 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: Titans spoke to him about playing outside linebacker, which is 394 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of It's an interesting development in all this because 395 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I've talked about, where 396 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: do you play him? Like he can play a lot 397 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: of from spots and you know, our Buddy Lands airline. 398 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: That's a conversation that we had way back win like 399 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: where do you play him? And man, do you even 400 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of stand him up and use him kind of 401 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: like the Texans used Clowning like as an inside linebacker 402 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: in some sense. But he's a freakish athlete. When he 403 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: did is his bag drills and he did the different 404 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: like change of direction drills. The one thing I used 405 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: to always harp on Mark was to my players was 406 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: run straight lines. Don't bow, don't don't mark it. You 407 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: run straight lines. I mean that's the I mean, you know, 408 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: the shortest distance straight line right ed can change directions 409 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: and run a straight line like I've never seen. He 410 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: went through the bags and could turn on the bags. 411 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: They had to do this one bag drill and then 412 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: it was a paste or so the last would go 413 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: through the bags. He'd like rip and do these different things, 414 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: and then the very last one he would have to 415 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: bend back around like he's rushing the quarterback and a 416 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: lot of guys will bend it and it will kind 417 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: of kind of widen out. He literally bent it and 418 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: almost went right back down the line of bags. He 419 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: was that he could bend it that much. It was 420 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: I to watch what he was able to and he's 421 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: really really impressive. So he's a freak, and he's he's 422 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: a freak. How high Well, Sean McDermott from Buffalo was there, 423 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: So I texted my buddy, who's the salar report Salkapachi, 424 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: and I said, Hey, how guys high by the way. 425 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: So I guess we already knew that because I met him. Yeah, 426 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: he didn't tell me that. Um, he just told me that. 427 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: I said, hey, your head coaches here, I said, would 428 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: you guys do you guys want at Oliver at number nine. 429 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: Is that too high you guys? He goes, no, we 430 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: would love to have him. So I think Ed after today, 431 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: I think he people go back in the proverbial check 432 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: the boxes. I think he did more than that. Now. 433 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: Ed's got a lot of different things he's got an 434 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: answer to over his career at the University Houston and 435 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: certain things that happened that he's got a outerwear Yeah, 436 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: that's one of them. I think there's some other things. 437 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: So I think he's going to It's gonna be really 438 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: tough for teams like Buffalo after seeing a guy like 439 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Kyle Williams go to say, man, wow, we we could 440 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: we could have a guy like this. I would imagine 441 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: you walk out of their feeling pretty good about what 442 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: that guy can do do on the field. So it's 443 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: gonna be hard for him to get out of the 444 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: top ten. I mean I thought going over there today, 445 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, look, maybe there's a thought that he drops, 446 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: maybe because of some of the things that happened off 447 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: the field. There's no way. I mean, he's a top 448 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: twelve player. No, he's too freakish and athletic talent that 449 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: you can't figure something out, just like Clowney. Not just 450 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: like Clowney, but Clowney was a more extreme example of that. Right, 451 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: he's just such a freak that you're not gonna pass 452 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: him up at number one. Absolutely, and you you, as 453 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: we have found with Clowney. What are the Texans done? 454 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: They figured it out? Yeah, And that's why I say 455 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: all the time, like, this guy's too got a football player, 456 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: Draft him and figure it out. Well, they sort of 457 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: have with Clowney, Like what do they do. They line 458 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: him up in the A gap, They line him up 459 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: over a guard, they put him outside, they rushed him 460 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: in a four man set, they line him up in linebacker. 461 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: They figured it out. That team's gonna have to do 462 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: that without Oliver. They're gonna have to move him. He 463 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: can't just play in one single spot, you know, like 464 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald could play that three technique and that's what 465 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: he can play, and that's then he plays it really 466 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: really well. You're probably gonna have to move all over 467 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: two different spots to really get the most out of him. 468 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: But draft him and figure it out. I thought going 469 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: over there, man, would there be a chance that maybe 470 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: some teams just you know, kind of soured on him 471 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: for some of the off the field things and some 472 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: of the other things that maybe at twenty three there 473 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: is no chance. There's no chance. You think it's two 474 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: players drafted from that crew, or I think I think, yes, 475 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: at Oliver's drafted. I think Isaiah Johnson gets definitely drafted. 476 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: Somebody asked me today, I think probably mid to late second, 477 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: maybe early third on Isaiah Johnson. Look, he's six one, 478 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: he's six one, two h five and he ran four 479 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: to four and place corner. I mean, those are the 480 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: guys that you droop over in some sense. Now his 481 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: play doesn't always match up to those measurables, but a 482 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: good dB coach with a good defensive scheme, I think 483 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: he could come and he can learn in that and 484 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: I think he would end up being fine. The one 485 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: of their guy mark that I thought was really impressive 486 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: was Jared Davis. Now he got hurt last year, but 487 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen when the Cooks played here, I'll never 488 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: forget that is Oklahoma. The first drive, first couple drives 489 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: were just going up and down the field on Houston, 490 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: and then in the second quarter, I remember Baker turned 491 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: and tossed one to somaj p Ryan and Somanji just 492 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: ramped people. That was his game. He just ramped people 493 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: over and Davis hit him so hard that Pete Ryan's 494 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 1: arms just dropped. I remember this, and Pete Ryan had 495 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: to go out of the game, and I just remember 496 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: the game turned on that spot. On that one right there. 497 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: He tested extremely well. I saw his vertical jump and 498 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm I watched him like, oh my goodness. It was 499 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: definitely in the forty range. I couldn't hear the number, 500 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: but it was definitely in the forty range. So Jared 501 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: Davis is definitely a guy at safety at five, like 502 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: right at six feet six feet two oh five, I 503 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: think something like that. He's got a chance. Now. I 504 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: don't know if he'll end up being drafted, but he's 505 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: a guy you definitely wanted your camp. He is way 506 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: too athletic and a really good football player. You'd want 507 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: him in your camp. I could see him getting drafted 508 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: on Day three, but he might be a guy that 509 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: teams are fighting for as a priority undrafted free agent. 510 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: Johnny's gonna day with us and we're gonna talk about 511 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: more stuff involving rules and other things around the National 512 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: Football League. This week. We have a lot to catch 513 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: up on, so stick around on the program here it's 514 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: Texans All Access Texans Radio from inside the building NRG Stadium. 515 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you. All Right, we 516 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: talked a bunch about Ed Oliver and the UH Pro 517 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: day we had McLean on earlier. But let's get to 518 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: this because I haven't really opined much on the rule 519 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: change here, Johnny challengeable. Yeah, pass interference. It's a game changer. 520 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: I mean, this is really great stuff. It's a great 521 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: week for the National Football League when this gets to happen. 522 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: Except for one thing. I was all excited about it, 523 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh OPI oh no, likey because look 524 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: what if DeAndre Hopkins pushes off and all of a 525 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: sudden the flag, red flag comes out. I want to 526 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: see if he committed offensive pass interference. Now you gotta 527 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: look at it. Now. They got to burn those challenges carefully. 528 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: The opposing they're gonna have to use that constructively, wisely 529 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: for them, and this will be really interesting to see. 530 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Hopkins does that all the time, or 531 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: any of our receivers here in Houston, but you do 532 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: have that happening from time to time with all receivers. 533 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, it could play to your advantage, you could 534 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: play to your disadvantage. All of it could. Yeah, and exactly, 535 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: and it goes the other way too. There are going 536 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: to be some defensive backs that are notorious for doing 537 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: things deep down a field. You know, grab you know 538 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: the video they showed of the playing the Super Bowl 539 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: right before the interception of Stefan Gilmore holding Brandon Cooks, yep, 540 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: and Cooks is unable to catch that pass and the 541 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: next one Gilmore intercepts and the game is over, and 542 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: that would have been a passing interference call, and that 543 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: would end up putting the ball down in scoring position 544 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: for the Rams. And how that came to You got 545 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: to make a quick decision on a flag or if 546 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: it's inside two minutes, they're gonna call forward from upstairs. 547 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: This is now the three of us, You, me and Andre. 548 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: We've talked about this many many times because we watch 549 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: CFL football. We've talked about how the CFL has this. 550 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: The CFL has pass interference offense and defense non calls 551 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: and calls on the field. They've it's been reviewable for 552 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: a while in the CFL and Andre has been banging 553 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: the table for this. This is the only thing I 554 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: think that I don't say it bothers me, but I 555 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: thought about this, and I talked about this last night. Mark. 556 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: If that play again in the Rams Saints game doesn't happen, 557 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: do we even bring this up? Does it even come up? 558 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: Probably not. I don't think it passes. I think it 559 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: always will come up, but I don't think it passes 560 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: as quickly as it did. And there are those who 561 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: say it wasn't that quick. They were meeting for a 562 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: long time, they went into overtime meeting, but they got 563 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: it done. I mean they got this done. Very often 564 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: things like this, well, I we'll just wait till May 565 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: and then see if it blows over or I'm not 566 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: so sure that that's the way they look at it, 567 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: but often it does happen that way. So no, I 568 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: think you're right. I mean that play was so egregious. 569 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: Everybody sees it. They've rerun the highlight a billion times since, 570 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: and I think it's you have to make sure that 571 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen again, and this is one way to 572 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, I think you're right from that standpoint. Hey, 573 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: we can't have this happen again. The other consideration was 574 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: the sky reff, you know, putting a putting ref in there. 575 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: If you had to pick one or the other, which 576 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: one would you picked? Because if you have a sky reff, 577 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: the sky reff, he could do more than past interfearence. 578 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: He could whistle down and say, heyy we missed that one. Yeah, 579 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: oh hey we missed a target. We missed a target. 580 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: You better decide quickly. And I think the sky reff 581 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: would actually slow the game down much more than challenges. 582 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: See that's the one thing I've heard about the challenges, like, 583 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, the game is gonna be so long. 584 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: They didn't increase the number of challenges for a coach. No, 585 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: it's the same number, but it should be pointed out. 586 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: I do point it out from time to timehow and 587 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: I forget what the year was, but it was a 588 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: while ago. But before you were not able to chat, 589 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: or you had to challenge a fumble situation, I thought 590 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: it was shaky or a scoring situation. Now touchdowns and 591 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: fumbles are auto or turn automatically or automatic reviewed. You 592 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: don't have to throw a flag if there's something iffy 593 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: in a turnover. There was a day when you had 594 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: to so those flags became I'm not gonna say less 595 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: valuable or less important, but it was less crucial that 596 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: you really be conservative with them. I think that the 597 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: real value is the time out right. You have to 598 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: say to yourself, forget about burning a challenge. Very rarely 599 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: do you see a game where a coach does not 600 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: have a challenge available to him should he need it. 601 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: It's happened, of course, but it's very rare to me. 602 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: It's the time out. It's what it's going to cost you, 603 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: the risk reward Here. Am I willing to spend a 604 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: time out to lose a time out by throwing that 605 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: red flag? That's the decision you make. I'll give you 606 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: another one inside two minutes. There's a problem, let's just say, 607 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: with some kind of play and they're about to snap 608 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: the ball. You can't challenge a play, so you can't 609 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: stop the music, and nobody from upstairs is and you're thinking, 610 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And let's say, if no timeouts left, 611 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: you could bang a time out, waste one there and 612 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: hope that they see something egregious and change it or 613 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: incorrect and change it. What else could you do. Coach 614 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: runs out on the field, Hey, offense, don't snap the ball, 615 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: take it to lay a game. Maybe they're gonna see it. Right, 616 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: I'll take that penalty. I'll take that five yard ticket 617 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: or whatever it is for the coach running on the field. 618 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: Maybe that's a sportsmanlike and you're gonna get a fit, 619 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: but you know, I might that might be worth it 620 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: to me if I get something right on a past 621 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: interference or something that they didn't see, right. I think 622 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I said this last night. The my my 623 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 1: worries with the past interference if I if I had one, 624 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: it's not really worries. But the hail Mary is one. Yeah, 625 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: that's a bad one. I think that's gonna that's gonna 626 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: be sort of tricky. Has anyone gone through a like 627 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: twenty hail Mary's yet to come out with all the 628 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: past interference that could be found on a video replay, 629 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: because they're gonna be some blazing somebody's gonna do that 630 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: and they're gonna say look at this, this, this, this, 631 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: all these would have counted. I think past interference that 632 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: is gonna be that's gonna be really tricky. That's gonna 633 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: be the tricky one because Hail Mary's when do they 634 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: occur inside two minutes? Well, here's the other one that 635 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: I think is gonna be sort of tricky, and this 636 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: is just overall there's a difference between past interference and 637 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: defensive holding. So here's what's gonna happen. Because you know, 638 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: we've been in we've been in this building. So what 639 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: happens if we and by we I mean our guys 640 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: Gavin and Kenny, and they run the video board. If 641 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: they look up there and they see one of our 642 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: receivers in what looks like past interference but actually is 643 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: defensive holding, can they go and put a defensive holding 644 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: penalty on that? Because there's a distinct difference, and we've 645 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: seen it. That's why one's called holding, one's called past interference. 646 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: That at the catch point, it's not interference. But you 647 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: know what, within the first five yards or first ten 648 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: yards there was holding. Well, they can't call that holding, 649 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: but the fans are gonna see that and go, wait 650 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: a second, that's interference. You do you understand what I'm 651 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: saying here? So I think there's gonna be There're gonna 652 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: be some time where the fans are like, that's interference. Well, no, 653 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: technically there's defensive holding, but you can only review for interference. 654 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: So I think that could get tricks. So you could 655 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: get away with that, but not the PI. Right, that's 656 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: exactly geez see what I'm saying. So that could be 657 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: very very tricky, Like they could come out of the 658 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: review and go, there was no pass interference. Right, They're 659 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: not gonna tell you about the holding. They might look 660 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: at it and go, oh, we missed a holding there, 661 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: we missed the hold that they can't apply the holding 662 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: upon review, but they but I don't but they can't, right, 663 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't think they can't. So that's that is another 664 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: one I think is tricky because I can see a 665 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: building of eighty thousand people going crazy with what they're 666 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: seeing on the video board, and yet by the letter 667 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: of the law of pass interference, it's not pass interference, 668 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: it's defensive holding. Well, that's where I can see it 669 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: getting kind of tricky. Where do you Where do you 670 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: come out on Bill Belichick who says review everything, Where 671 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: do you come out on that? I think you should 672 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: be able to challenge almost everything that I agree. I 673 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: think we're going there. I think we're gonna get there 674 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: challenge everything. That's cool and I like it. And I've 675 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: said it with McLane to earlier this hour in case 676 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: you missed it, I said, I'm glad they made it 677 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: so you could challenge a non call. Otherwise they would 678 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: be throwing flags for everything and putting the onus on 679 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: the coaches to challenge stuff that they might have gotten wrong. Yea, 680 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: Now they just call a play and you know that's it. 681 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: You know, call it or don't call it or whatever. 682 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to see too many penalty flags 683 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: thrown it with the benefit of a doubt in mind, right, 684 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: So that's good. That's good that they did this. One 685 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: rule I'm glad they did not pass is fourth and fifteen. 686 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wanted to get into this, Johnny. I'm 687 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: very much against fourth and fifteen. Now, I'll be all 688 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: for it if you know, the Texans are coming from 689 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: behind and all of a sudden, oh my gosh, you 690 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: get a chance to get them all. But I just 691 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: think it's not right. It's that to me is really 692 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: it's crossing a line in the game of football where 693 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: wait a minute, you're gonna give you know, And I've 694 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: used this example before let's see, you're playing Patrick Mahomes. 695 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: You're you're an Arrowhead stadium, and you're up ten whatever. Right, 696 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: So you're up ten points with like three minutes to go, 697 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: and you're playing some defense, but they're they're rolling down 698 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: the field and all of a sudden they punch it 699 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: in with say ninety seconds to go or something like that, 700 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: or even a minute to go, and they punch it in. 701 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: Now they're going to get the ball back at their 702 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: thirty five yard line with a with a chance for 703 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: a fifteen yard play to keep it going. I don't 704 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: think so, because, first of all, my defense is gassed, 705 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: because let's say you're up three four scores and they've 706 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: been throwing it on you and coming back there and 707 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: then one of those comeback modes, right, and your defense 708 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: is just getting gas. You had a big lead, but 709 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: now your defense is gased. Now they're gonna stay on 710 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: the field for another fifteen yard play. I don't think so. 711 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: I'm not in favor of this at all. Now. I 712 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: know it works both ways to your advantage. What's that 713 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: we've got a number four? Look? I like that too, 714 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: Believe me. I just think it's not football anymore at 715 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: that point. Now, I heard the numbers were on sidekicks 716 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: prior to last year or something like twelve to fifteen 717 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: percent and now down to seven percent something like that. 718 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: All right, seven percent, what's the conversion right on a 719 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen? But you cannot take every fourth and 720 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: fifteen play and come out with proper metrics on this. 721 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: The scenario I just laid out is very different. Well, John, 722 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: that's what John Marra, one of the owners of the 723 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: Giant City said, what are we Arena League Football? Next 724 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: to him during one of the presentations, And yeah, because 725 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: he lives in Ryan, New York, where I grew up. 726 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So we're just talking like that, and then 727 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: it morphed into he's like, yeah, I don't like it. 728 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: I don't like fourth of it. And this is before 729 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: they voted it down. So yeah, it was still it 730 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: was still alive, very much alive. But I knew he 731 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: didn't like it, and I don't like it either. I'll 732 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: tell you the only way I would. You know who 733 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: loves ith TV? Yeah, TV would love it. Gives you hope. 734 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean the fourth you're not turning the game off, right, 735 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: You're not turning a game off because you got a shot. Yeah. 736 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: TV loves it. Yeah. I mean, you're down two scores 737 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. 738 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: We've got this. We'll get a fourth and fifteen. We'll 739 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: be totally fine. The two point conversion gave you a 740 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: hope too, because you're down sixteen or fifteen and you know, 741 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: in the old days, well you got no shot, you're 742 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: down three scores. Now you're down two scores. What was 743 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: the sense there about the overtime rules not changing. Was 744 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: there surprises? No? I think I think most people were 745 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: okay with it. Most people were stay the same overtime, 746 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: staying the same. You know, me, I'm old school, but 747 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: too in defense of those against me that the offenses 748 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: have more of an advantage than ever. So getting that 749 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: field goal to end the game quickly is you know, 750 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: it's a reality that if you win the toss, you know, 751 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: you got these unbelievable quarterbacks. They only have to get 752 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: like twenty five thirty five yards and all of a 753 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: sudden they're in range, depending on if you get a 754 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: return or not out of the deal. So okay, whatever, 755 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Here, here's another aspect of all 756 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: of this drive start for the fourth and fifteen. I'd 757 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: be much more in favor of it if you said 758 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: you gotta have the ball at the twenty yard line, okay, 759 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: instead of the thirty five. Well, here's at least then 760 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: that's twenty they're getting a first down, get some of 761 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: the thirty five forty yard line. I still have a 762 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: chance to play some d if they're down, If they 763 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: need a field goal and it's fourth and fifteen from 764 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: the thirty five, well, all of a sudden, they're almost 765 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: in range. You know. Well here the thought process with it, 766 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: I sort of can see, is that if you have 767 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: an onsite kick, where would you recover the onside kick? 768 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I know, but I think it onside. 769 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's the thought behind why you put 770 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: it the thirty five. Yeah, because you're kicking off on 771 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: the thirty five. Now you're getting it, but you're ready. 772 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: If you put it at the twenty, then you make it. 773 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: Then then I'm like, it's interesting. I bet I bet 774 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: that those against it, like me, would be much more 775 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: willing to say yes if it's at the twenty or 776 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: twenty five yard line. I'll tell you some of the 777 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: people that might be against it, and one of the 778 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: reasons why I am I'm not opposed to it. Have 779 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: you ever had to stand there and wait for an 780 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: onside kick with guys that have a running start coming 781 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: at you. Yeah, it's the scariest ever. Now you can't. Yeah, 782 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: you still have a little I mean, but but running 783 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: at ten yards as opposed to fifteen now, I mean 784 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: it's I mean, I was the guy for us that 785 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: would have to field the onside kick because I played baseball, 786 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 1: I had good hands. That's a scary thing to do 787 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: right now, I hate it. And that was that was 788 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: in high school. College. This is the NFL. I mean, 789 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: this is a whole different ball game. I've seen guys 790 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: on onside kick just get drilled and you're not You're 791 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna happen. I think teams at that point, Okay, 792 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: you've got onside kick. Now they're gonna have to become 793 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: more proficient and get a little bit more creative with 794 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 1: what they can do. But that's where talking to Brad 795 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: Steele and Tracy Smith might be a good conversation, like, hey, 796 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: how how can you how can you get a little 797 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: bit better with this whole onside kick thing? Like what 798 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: can you do what can you make it more recoverable? Yes, 799 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: maybe that's the answer. Come up with something like, well, 800 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: they've already done so many things with so many guys 801 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: on the side and every thing, and you can't I mean, 802 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: you are limited some of the things that you can do, 803 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: So it would be curious, but that that not pass. 804 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: I was not surprised it didn't pass when I heard 805 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: what John Merris said. When I heard that, I was like, Okay, 806 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: he's probably not the only one thinking like that. Yeah, 807 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, coaches are one thing, competition committee is one thing, 808 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: but the owners have the final say on all this stuff. 809 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: Right on one other thing on the way out here, 810 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: the American Alliance of Football or whatever they're called, they 811 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: might go out of business after this weekend. This could 812 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: be it for them. And there's a bunch of talk 813 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: about union rules and being able to use NFL players 814 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: who have practice squad eligibility or on a practice squad 815 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. My question is, we saw nineteen 816 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: eighty seven, you had a replacement league. Every team in 817 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: the league had a replacement team. They went far enough 818 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 1: guys to field, and all these teams in the AAF 819 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: right now is that it's strictly a labor problem. I 820 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: think they're just hemorrhaging money. They can belliate all they 821 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: want about not enough talent out there market. They tried 822 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: to throw a professional football league together in a year. 823 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that. I mean, you 824 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 1: look at the XFL. The XFL is taking two years 825 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: to put this whole thing together. To make sure that 826 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: they don't get in this particular position, they'll have deeper pockets. 827 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean maybe they do, maybe they don't, but I 828 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: think just in due time, just learning and the extra 829 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: fucking learn from what the AF I do think that 830 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: it would help to allow some of your guys to 831 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: be able to go play in those leagues and to 832 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: have to have that. But there are problems inherent with 833 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: that situation, but I think it would be very helpful 834 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: for certain positions. And I can't remember who I heard 835 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: say this, Oh, I know it was Bob Papa. I 836 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,720 Speaker 1: was listening to him one morning when I was driving 837 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: around and he was talking about the World League. That's 838 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: why the European League, the World League over in Europe 839 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: was perfect because quarterbacks, coaches, linemen, they all got extra 840 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: reps playing over in Europe. That's where Kurt Warner went. 841 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: That's what Brian Gang was telling me. He said, quarterbacks 842 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: and old lineman those we always talk about live reps 843 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,720 Speaker 1: and they don't really get enough in the preseason because 844 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 1: it is the way it is, and a lot of 845 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: people say that it takes them three four weeks in 846 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: the regular season to really get up to speed on 847 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,399 Speaker 1: the offensive line. One last one before we go. Yeah, 848 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 1: because we haven't talked about this, but Patriots tight end retired. 849 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: Oh him, him, Yeah, when you heard that news, I 850 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: was so happy, John, I mean, it'sact. I'd be much 851 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: happier if it was number twelve instead of number eighty seven. 852 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah is eight eighty seven? Yeah? How could I get 853 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: this wrong? Right now? To me, Sean Pendergast tweeted out 854 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: his numbers and he's unbelievable. Yeah, it got me thinking. 855 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: And I mentioned this with McClain about the old school 856 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: tight ends. Kellen Winslow, Yeah, I saw your response. Guys 857 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: like that who are so great and Rock's the best. 858 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: I have to admit that just when you when you 859 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: go with a guy who's on the field as a 860 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: blocker receiver, the threat he poses to the defense but 861 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,399 Speaker 1: I don't want Kellen Winslow at Ozzie to not get 862 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: their due playing in an era I call it the 863 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: dead ball era, and they were putting up gargantuan numbers, 864 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: especially Winslow Winslow senior by the way, now the soldier 865 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: Winslow senior, and he was unbelievable. So I saw it. 866 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: You know what my first thought was, I'll believe it 867 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 1: when I see it. Yeah, I'll believe it when I 868 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: seek because there's a part of me that says, and 869 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: I said this when I did Radio Mark, I'm hoping 870 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: the Texans get the Patriots in the first half of 871 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: the year because my gut tells me that he's gonna 872 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: get the itch to want to come back to close 873 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: the season on it to keep. But I heard that 874 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: he's gone through so much to get there, is ready 875 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: to play. Is that he might be done. But you 876 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: know how that Patriots, I mean times when we face 877 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: him in twenty seventeen, how many times we say you 878 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: gotta put the stake in him. Yeah, I'm only gonna 879 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: believe when I see. And it's not just all of this, 880 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: it's just sports retirements in general. You know something, But 881 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: the ones that they might come back, like Barry Sanders. 882 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: Everyone thought it's something that he'll come back, and he 883 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: never gets so good he'll come Brown never came back, 884 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,439 Speaker 1: you know. And and then you look at some other 885 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: guys who do come back. Brett Farve kept coming back 886 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: maybe once to all Farve watch every year for like 887 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: five years. All right, Johnny, thanks, Thanks, that's John Harris. Hey. 888 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: Go to the website Houston Texans dot com or wherever 889 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: you download podcasts and check out the podcast of Bill 890 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: O'Brien at the NFL meetings Brian Gained. It's all there. 891 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: My stuff is there, as well as Johnny's within the 892 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: Lab and Deep Slant with dep Go check that stuff out. 893 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: We'll be back on tomorrow at six. Have a great 894 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: night and go Texans.