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All right, y'all, Hello, Hello, 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: Hello again. I'm Bozma st John and this is back 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: to biz with Katie and Bose and my co host 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: Katie Current is still out. She is finishing up her 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: book and she'll be back next week. I promise this 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: time she'll really be back. It won't just be me 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: by myself. I promise. But this week, this week, we 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: have something so special and Juice say, it's a very 28 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: sensitive topic and a personal one. Parenting. It's it's an 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: industry like any other that we've discussed on this podcast, 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: but it is essential to running this country, and it's 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: never gotten the resources, time, respect, or attention that it's 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: needed in order to succeed, you know what I mean. Like, 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: we talked about bailouts all the time, but where's the 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: parenting bailout? Right? I mean, I think I need one. 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: The pandemic has thrown working parents and to them possible situations, 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: and we often wonder will we survive it? I mean, 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I was able to survive 38 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: fifth grade math, and now we're head into sixth grade 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: and I don't know what that's going to be like. 40 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: But if we come out of this, will we come 41 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: out of it with a better work life balance? I 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: don't know. Well, we're gonna We're gonna talk about it. Today, 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: we have a very special guest, Christine Michelle Carter, who 44 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: is going to help me suss out all of these topics, 45 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: all of these questions, and hopefully give us the light 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: to lead us in the right direction. So welcome Christine, 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me today. Thank you so much 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: for having me. I am so thrilled to be on 49 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: the podcast. Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you for 50 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: being here. Because you know this is this is a 51 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: big topic. There are so many challenges that we've been facing. 52 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: Um and although there have been many jokes made about 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: parenting in the time of COVID, it is not a joke. 54 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: It really isn't. So you are a tier your public speaker, 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: your marketing strategist. Girl. You got a lot of titles, 56 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: but you've also built a career out of advocating for 57 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: working moms and black women. Hello, So, so can you 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that? How did you 59 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: become such a prominent voice for working moms? So you 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: forgot one of my titles, which is Chicken Little because 61 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: I ran around telling everybody that the work life balanced 62 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: sky was falling years ago, and people accused me of 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: being unreasonably afraid and dismissed me. But now people are saying, 64 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: you know what, Christine, the sky is falling. It's crazy 65 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: because I've been writing about the housework gap and the 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: challenges that working mother's face for the past five years. UM. 67 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: I started writing about it UM when I ended up 68 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: having to pump in the bathroom stall after I gave 69 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: birth to my daughter, and I just thought it was 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous. I had no idea what it meant to 71 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: be a working mom until I became one, and I 72 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: think if you learned at that point, it's too late. 73 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: I've been right about the recession two years ago, and 74 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: I knew that there was gonna be an event that 75 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: was gonna shift the sustainability of our so called work 76 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: life balance, and that event was COVID. You know, the 77 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: world is exposed to the fact now that even in 78 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: mary two income households, unlike mine, women are three times 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: more likely to be the spouse who carries the additional 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: burden of the mental load of just everything that's going on. 81 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: And you know, it costs uh sixteen thousand dollars in 82 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: lost wages, and for every dollar a man makes, we 83 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: make just seventy one sense. And you know, men, even 84 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: when we work remote, they're more likely in the same 85 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: situation and the same job to make a hundred thousand 86 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: dollars or more, three times more likely in fact, than us. 87 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: And this is stuff that I've been writing about for years. 88 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: So it's it's crazy to me that all of a 89 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: sudden the world is listening when I have been crying 90 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: out for so many working mothers for so long. Yes, yes, yes, yes, well, 91 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean I'm so of course impressed by your uh 92 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: predictive accounting what was coming. I'm like, you got any 93 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: other tips to give us, um, And I'm sure we'll 94 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: get to that. But it is very difficult, especially because 95 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: we are, um no longer saddled with distractions, right that 96 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: are outside of our homes, um, and we are bringing 97 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: the things that used to be outside inside and so 98 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: of course that's a big stress, you know, on relationships, 99 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: on parenting, et cetera. UM, what are some of the 100 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: struggles that that you're facing. You have two kids, right, 101 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: eight year old Maya and five year old West. I 102 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: have an eleven year old daughter, Leel and being a 103 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: single working mom with a child of course of school 104 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: ages a difficult, difficult thing, um. But as you said, 105 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: you know you have certainly faced some challenges that you 106 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: had to make really difficult decisions. Is about in order 107 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: to get to a place of peace. Can you talk 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: though about some of those challenges and struggles that you 109 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: faced and some depth that would allow for us to 110 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: get a better sense of, uh, what you were actually 111 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: dealing with and then how how you came out of it. 112 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: So I guess I'm grateful that I went through a 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: divorce because I was preparing my children on how to 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: handle traumatic events prior to COVID even happening. So as 115 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: a single mother, I had to have very honest and 116 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: transparent conversations about my children when it came to work. 117 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: They understand that if my office door is closed, you 118 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: better be dying or bleeding and then you can come in. 119 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 1: Um again, very frank and candid. And I find that 120 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: with mothers that we do so much and we try 121 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: so hard to protect our children and shield them for 122 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: the world and just make sure that we are the 123 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: barrier between them and anything negative, that it's an emotional 124 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: strain on us and it also doesn't prepare our children 125 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: for the real world. So in exposing my children to 126 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: the fact that Yes, your father has an alcohol problem, 127 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: he has depression. Your mother is a single mom. Sometimes 128 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: she has to work, sometimes she has to travel for work. 129 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: Exposing them to the realities of their world makes them 130 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: more well rounded and balanced children who can adapt to change, 131 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: versus trying to shield them from everything. I feel like 132 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: we're at a point now where COVID has just exposed 133 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: our world, our personal and our professional worlds. Everything is 134 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: out of whack. We're constantly disrupted, and it requires us 135 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: to shift our thinking. If you have were already having 136 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: very honest and transparent conversations with your children or even 137 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: with your employer as a working mom, then you're probably 138 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: the ones who are thriving. Those who were trying to 139 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: be that barrier for their children or hide their authentic 140 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: cells at work as a mother, those are the ones 141 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: who are struggling. Yes, okay, we're gonna put a real 142 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: quick pin in that employer relationship. You know. One of 143 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: the biggest challenges I faced as a single parent my 144 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: my husband passed away from cancer about seven years ago, 145 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: and um in that in that trauma, I had to 146 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: find ways to ask for help. I was so used 147 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: to doing everything myself, you know, strong black woman over here. Hello. 148 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: I was so used to going and trying to succeed, 149 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: and you know you don't you don't ask for help 150 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: because that's just a sign of weakness, right, And so 151 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: how and if, if, maybe do you ask for help? 152 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: And how do you do it in your life even now? 153 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: Because it's like people can't come inside, right, So how 154 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: are you getting help? What happens? Tons of people can't 155 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: come inside, but some can. And it's so interesting. Many 156 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: women actually have cited that COVID reminds them of past trauma. 157 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: And for me, it definitely reminded me of what it 158 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: meant to separate from my husband and how I tried 159 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: to blow through it full steam of head, strong black 160 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: woman like you just said, and how I really suffered. 161 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: It's it's funny because many moms are feeling like they're 162 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: not important anywhere right now, and it's accelerated burnout. It's 163 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: that whole emotional and physical and mental exhaustion from just 164 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: having excessive and prolonged stress. And I find that, you know, 165 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: when I hit that moment, I'm very aware of when 166 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm about to reach it. Some women may not be, 167 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: but it's you have to recognize it and then be 168 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: real about your bandwidth. And you know you're not a superwoman. 169 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: You have to think about what really drives you and 170 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: really inspires you and prioritize. And I know that for me, 171 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: whenever I have trouble focusing on daily activities, or my 172 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: anxiety is starting to make me feel out of control, 173 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: or I just can't manage my emotions, then I have 174 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: to take a step back and lean on my tribe. 175 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: And that could be just getting emotional support through social media. 176 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: You're right, people don't have to be in my house, 177 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: or I can rely on a couple a handful of 178 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: people to actually come and help me and give me 179 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: a relief. And that would be my aunt and my 180 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: my brother and my mom. M gosh, yes, he really 181 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: do need to ask for help, um, because burnout is real, 182 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: it is even And that's the thing though, is that, like, 183 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: how do you recognize that it's coming? You just said 184 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: that you know it's coming. How do you know it's coming. 185 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: I know it's coming because if I can't focus on 186 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: my day to day work, even like the simplest things, 187 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: and if my anxiety is literally starting to make my 188 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: hands shake, and I have to sit down because I'm 189 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: just like so frantic. That's how I know I'm about 190 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: to hit burnout. Professionally, I've always known that burnout is 191 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: the third stage of um the first stage being imposter syndrome, 192 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: the second stage being summit syndrome. And then when I 193 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: hit burnout, I know that, you know, it's like the 194 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: point of no return. But it took me a really 195 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: long time to to understand those those different tiers and 196 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: what it meant for myself. Go through those steps. Please, Yeah, 197 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: so there's no problem because because we need the steps. 198 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: You know, I need a map, Okay, these are the 199 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: steps to burn out. So so, imposter syndrome is just 200 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: that feeling like you don't belong and for me, I 201 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: would constantly feel that as a black woman who's successful 202 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: in the workplace, I'm also a millennial. I always felt 203 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: like I didn't belong in the room. So to combat that, 204 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: before I hit step two, I used to keep a 205 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: list of my accomplishments and didn't feel bad about advocating 206 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: for myself in the workplace, reminding myself everybody about my accomplishments. 207 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Because we all know that performance reviews don't matter. It's 208 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: about what you do that day that really matters. Um 209 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: But if if I let my imposter syndrome get out 210 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: of control, then I knew I was getting Summit syndrome, 211 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: which was that feeling of chasing an unattainable corporate high. 212 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: So just trying to get as many accolades and rewards, 213 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: and you know, team hustle and team do it all 214 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: the most. And like, I look at this week and 215 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: I've shot a Walmart commercial, I'm talking to you, I 216 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: got a promotion at work, Like I'm in Summit syndrome hardcore. 217 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna use this weekend to make sure I 218 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: don't hit burnout. And burnout is really that state where 219 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's the mental exhaustion and the physical exhaustion 220 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: of all of that stress and trying to chase those 221 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: highs and trying to feel like you belong. I think 222 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: we can end the podcast on that, because I mean, 223 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think there's anywhere else to go. 224 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break. But when we come back, 225 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: the hot topic issue schools to go back or not 226 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: to go back? Now, that is the question whether your 227 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: event needed one room or an entire conference center. 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That time you got home from a week 255 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: of double shifts and your dog didn't recognize you. He 256 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: hates me, hates me. Do you want to treat? You 257 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: want to treat? You knew it was time for something new. 258 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: Let's drop it up at career builder. You can find 259 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: jobs with the work life balance and salary you want, 260 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: Plus build a resume and apply to multiple jobs in 261 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: just one click. Start your search at career builder dot com. 262 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: You're listening to Back to Biz with Katie and Bows 263 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: and Christine and I have so much get into about 264 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: working moms in the workplace. And I have my own 265 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: stories on this. I mean I share one with Christine 266 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: about after I gave birth to Lael and I was 267 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: a new mom returning back to the office and the 268 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: advice I got so let's go there. When I had 269 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: first had my daughter, I was so proud of her, 270 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, and she was so cute biased Hello, she's 271 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: the cutest, uh. And I was working at PEPSI at 272 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: the time, and you know, pretty successful, you know, getting 273 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: promotions and all of that. Hot shot I felt like, 274 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: and I put my picture of my daughter proudly on 275 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: my desk, and well meaning colleague came and told me 276 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: that I should take her picture down because people wouldn't 277 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: take me seriously and they would think that my priorities 278 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: had shifted. And so I didn't want that if I 279 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: wanted to continue to accelerate. Now throw in this situation 280 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: in where you may have, of course, your kids are 281 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: running around. Like you said, you shut your office during 282 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: your kids know not to come in there. But there 283 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: are things that happened and they disrupt the day, and 284 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: they disrupt meetings, and you know, you're thinking about dinner 285 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: or you're thinking about the homework that you couldn't complete 286 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: and all of those things. How how how how do 287 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: you even open your mouth to say anything to your employer? 288 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: And how do you do it? What do you say 289 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: in order to remain feeling in control and at some 290 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: point that guests trying to get empathy for where you are. Yeah, 291 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: so first let's just take a moment. I have to, 292 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: as a young black mom, thank you. I'm in consumer goods, 293 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: so I want to thank you for paving the way 294 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: because that is a very traditional industry. And if it 295 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: wasn't for women like you being authentic and bringing your 296 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: whole self to work and hanging up pictures of your 297 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, two pounder like me, you're Nikki baby, then 298 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: it wouldn't There wouldn't be room for me to be 299 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: having these conversations with my employer, with other women to 300 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: be able to have the conversations with their employer. But um, 301 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: I definitely think that if employers want the best versions 302 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: of their employees, then it's time to walk the walk 303 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: that because you've been talking the talk for so long. 304 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: There are so many moms right now who are feeling 305 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: out of balance and disadvantaged and stressed, and all of 306 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: that is normal. We're going through a pandemic. We were 307 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: already at a disadvantage as working moms before COVID, and 308 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: as we lose the world that we knew, it's natural 309 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: to feel anger and fear and anxiety and loss. We 310 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: are we're not remote working. We're trying to work in 311 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: parent during a crisis, and it's a lot, and it's 312 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: normal for us to be triggered and to parallel that 313 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: to grief and to feel like we're bargaining or field 314 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: denial or sadness, all of the emotions that go through grief. 315 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: So instead of spending our wheels trying to handle that 316 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: kind of grief internally or worrying about obligations we know 317 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: we'll never get to or won't remember, we need to 318 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: let others in the workplace know that we need help, 319 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: you know. We we need to let our partners know 320 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: that we have to put them in charge of two dues. 321 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: We have to take advantage of technology, using things like Zoommen, 322 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: using um digital workspaces with colleagues, and we have to 323 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: stop feeling guilty that we're not superwomen. UM. I think 324 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: a big thing is we need to understand the value 325 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: of buffer space and communicating buffer space to our employers. 326 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: So it's one thing to say I gotta go feed 327 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: my kids. I'll be right back, but you won't be 328 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: right back because you need to take the time to prep. 329 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: You need to take the time to make sure the 330 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: kids are eating. You need to decompress from that and 331 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: then get back into work. And and we seem to 332 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: not value buffer space UM and communicating the importance of 333 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: that to employers, because booking meetings back to back is draining, 334 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: especially if their conference call, so you know, jumping from 335 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: work immediately into helping kids is draining to we we 336 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: have to take advantage of that, take advantage of employee 337 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: assistance programs, make sure that our employers are walking the walk, 338 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: and we have to use our time off um. And 339 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: that is something that a lot of working mothers are 340 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: very afraid to do, very afraid to bring their authentic 341 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: selves to the workplace and say I need to take 342 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: time off, I need to take a mental break, but um, 343 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: if you'll allow me just one more minute. There's a 344 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: vicious cycle that people aren't aware of that occurs in 345 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: the workplace. So what ends up happening is moms get 346 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: anxious about appearing uncommitted to their jobs, so they and 347 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: other caregivers opt out of taking advantage of employee benefits. 348 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: What happens is that leads employers to think that moms 349 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: and caregivers are fine and can manage, and then that 350 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: makes them feel that they don't need to invest in 351 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: caregiving benefits or sometimes even track data associated with caregiving. 352 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: So then that lack of data leads to no changes 353 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: in policy to support caregivers. So what ends up happening 354 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: to moms and caregivers They feel unsupported by employers, and 355 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: then they struggle to keep up with performance, and then 356 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: that decline and performance leads to stigmas and biases for 357 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: other caregivers. So I can't stress it enough that that 358 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: cycle breaks if you're burned out and you take advantage 359 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: of those corporate benefits, because it not only benefits you 360 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: and the men your mental health and the long term UM, 361 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: but it also serves as a signal to employers that 362 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: you're under strain, and other caregivers in the office might 363 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: be too the kind of notes that I'm taking. Okay, 364 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: we've learned about impostor syndrome, syndrome and burnout, and now 365 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: we're talking about the vicious cycle of benefits I mean, okay, 366 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: so switching gears a little bit. Right. Um, we're still 367 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: talking about parenting in the age of COVID, So let's 368 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: talk about school and going back to school. Because that's 369 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: a hot topic. I got the survey from my daughter 370 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: school that asked me, right how comfortable I would feel 371 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: if she went back in person? Um, you know, do 372 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: I trust that they would have the you know, ability 373 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: to make the school safe? Do I want online learning? 374 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this survey. It gave me anxiety just 375 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: looking at the survey. You know. But the American Academy 376 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: of Pediatrics just release a statement in July saying that 377 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: students are should be physically present in school as much 378 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: as possible in the fall. Um, but there are many 379 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: people who don't want to do that, you know, who 380 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: are really really worried about their kids, uh, not just 381 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: going to school. But then on the other side, they're 382 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: scared if they don't go to school, they'll have an academic, social, 383 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: and emotional learning issues. Like there's so many challenges. What 384 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: is your thought about about this particular issue on returning 385 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: to school, to go back or not to go back? 386 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: What do you think? And what's happening where you are? 387 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: So and let me tell you something. I've got a 388 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts on this. Okay, So, so you know, 389 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: teachers and the unions are pushing back against plans to 390 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: open the schools, and it's causing tensions with the parents 391 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: and the lawmakers. And there are some early predictions about 392 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: what school is gonna look like in the fall, but 393 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: they're just that because the classroom sizes are on a 394 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: much smaller scale at the summer school level, and it 395 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: doesn't include the regular volume of students. And then there's 396 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: talks of parents hoping to share teaching among parents. I 397 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: know a woman who's turning her basement into a homeschooling 398 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: center and creating homeschooling pods and hiring teachers. And yes, 399 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: that is a schooling option that feels safe, but it 400 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: and it allows kids to have fun and and it 401 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: builds social schools, and it offers parents a break, but 402 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: they're pricey, and it's a privilege, and it's complicated, and 403 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: it comes with its own homeschooling laws, and it's going 404 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: to cause educational inequity. And that's just at the school level. 405 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: What really grinds my gears is childcare. And you know, 406 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: as I'm I'm out of the childcare realm right now, 407 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: I have a fourth grader and a kindergartener. But the 408 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: state and local officials in these schools and Congress needs 409 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: to know that we need a robust plan for childcare. 410 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: It's got to be a part of the plan to 411 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: reopen schools because childcare is the second largest monthly expense 412 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: for families after their mortgage or rent. In some instances 413 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: it's as much. And there are states that have shown 414 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: that they lose about a billion dollars annually and economic 415 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: activity because of childcare because there is no childcare, adequate 416 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: childcare available. I'm in one of those states. I'm in Maryland. 417 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: Childcare is it plays a critical role in people's ability 418 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: to work UM. Lower income households right now don't have 419 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: the economic resources to afford high quality childcare UM. According 420 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: to Paid Leave for the U S, which is an 421 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: organization I support, paid Family and medical leave is paid 422 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: time away from work or for welcoming a new child, 423 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: can for a family member, or caring for your own 424 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: medical crisis without the fear of losing your job. And 425 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: right now, the US is the only industrialized country without 426 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: a policy, which means that one in four moms are 427 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: gonna go back to work in the fall within ten 428 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: days of giving birth. It means that people of color 429 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: and low wage working people are more likely to need 430 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: access to paid leave, but the least likely to have it, 431 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: they're the ones of their essential employees. And then the 432 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: pandemic that looks like the grocery so for employees that 433 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: we need, the delivery drivers, the health care workers not 434 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: having any paid leave to take care of themselves, their 435 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: kids or family member, and that's just it's danger is 436 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: and it's wrong. Gosh, well, let's do let's dig a 437 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: little deeper into that piece, because you just brought up 438 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: such an important point about, of course, disparity. It's not 439 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: a new topic to us. We've we've been talking about 440 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: this a long time and obviously it's not just even COVID, 441 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: but we see of course the newly awakened racial and 442 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: social unrest um challenges that we see in the disparity 443 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: of how COVID is affecting brown and black communities. Can 444 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about that and about how 445 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: uh this time and even education and taking care of 446 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: our kids is disproportionately affecting communities of color. I wrote 447 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: an article for Forbes and Partnership. I found a stat 448 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: with lean In and basically they were looking at data 449 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: around childcare and I wanted to break it out further, 450 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: and I found that black women during the pandemic spend 451 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: half a day more on childcare per week than white women. 452 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: So if you put that into perspective, I believe you're 453 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: in California, right. So since California stay at home orders 454 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: went into effect on March nineteen, to date, black women 455 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: in that state have spent nearly two hundred and thirty 456 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: hours more on childcare, just on childcare than they're white counterparts. Yeah, yeah, 457 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: and you know, and it's we're not crazy. The pandemic 458 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: is hitting black moms harder. We're more likely to be 459 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: at risk from a medical perspective, more were more likely 460 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: the women without children to show signs of emotional, physical, cognitive, 461 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: and behavioral stress in the workplace anyway, including insomnia and 462 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: heart problems. Were more likely to be single moms, and 463 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: the absence and lack of involvement from our child's father 464 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: contributes to the decline of our health. So we were 465 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: already disproportionately affected before there was even a conversation about 466 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: COVID or going back to school. We spend nearly three 467 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: times more hours per week caring for our elderly or 468 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: sick relatives. We of in multigenerational homes. So it's it's 469 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: very difficult to be a black mom right now and 470 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: going through this and then thinking about how do I 471 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: go to work and have my child be in school. 472 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: It's it's very dangerous. It's it's worrisome, and I think 473 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: that we're living through a public health crisis and we 474 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: need to ensure that most of our women have paid 475 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 1: sick days and paid leave to actually keep the schools 476 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: in public spaces safe. I mean, we can't reopen without protections. 477 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: It's paid leave isn't just a benefit. It's a need 478 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 1: for Black women. It's a need for all women, and 479 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: for families and for teachers. And if schools open, teachers 480 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: need paid lead to keep themselves and their students safe. 481 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: And parents need it not just to welcome new children, 482 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: but to also make sure that the older kids are 483 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: healthy and safe and able to learn when we come back. 484 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: Child care isn't a personal issue, it's a public issue. 485 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: More with Christine Michelle Carter and just a moment, the 486 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: moment you realized you were mistaking your kids for co workers. Okay, team, 487 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm taking my fifteen now, what was the moment you 488 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: knew it was time to get back to work. 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I 508 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: read about this a while ago. If you fix childcare 509 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: and provide access to high quality childcare, it advances progress 510 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: on racial and economic equity, and people really don't realize that. 511 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: So once employers, once non government companies like public and 512 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: private sector, recognize the fact that childcare is an economic 513 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: development opportunity and it actually costs state millions of dollars 514 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: and and and lost income and lost economic stimulus to 515 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: their area, then we will solve it. But right now, 516 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: people think of childcare as a personal issue. Oh, that's 517 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: that woman's problem, she's a mom, and not a community issue. 518 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: So we need to treat childcare like we treat public 519 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: school and healthcare, like an essential service that is affordable 520 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: and accessible for everybody, and it needs to address the 521 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: short term economic threat that we're facing with COVID, but 522 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: then also a more sustainable business model for the childcare 523 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: operators because right now they don't know if their employers 524 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: are coming back, and it's costly to operate to it's 525 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: a high demand and a low supply. So once we 526 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: treat that like it is a public issue and it's 527 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: an economic development opportunity, will then see a little bit 528 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: more racial and economic equity. Right, So then what are 529 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: the effects after the pandemic? Right, So, if we are 530 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: advocating for this change in UM, not just policy, but 531 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: responsibility of non governmental businesses and organizations. How do we 532 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: actually continue that conversation after we're not talking a lot 533 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: about after the pandemic. You know, people you say going 534 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: back to normal, and we realize now that that's that's 535 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: not a possibility, and we actually don't want it to 536 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: be right because a lot of what we're facing we 537 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: recognize as needs to change a system, this being a 538 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: very big one. But then what happens? So how how 539 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: do you see this actually coming into effect? And then 540 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: how is our world different because of it? So I 541 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: can see two different scenarios happen. You know, we get 542 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: the paid leave and the medical leave for families, and 543 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: life just changes overnight like that for so many different 544 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: and disproportionately affected groups within our country. UM I see 545 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: it happening as benefits happened within organizations, but on a 546 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: larger scale where people are reluctant to take the support 547 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: or they are viewed negatively for taking the support. But 548 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: there are so many organizations who have been fighting this 549 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: fight even pre COVID, like mom Congress and paid leave 550 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: for the US and you know Senators and the Maternal 551 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: Care Act and the Cares Act, there's so many different 552 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: initiatives a Tina Lawson's act Um that I wrote about 553 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: for for so many different that are trying to support 554 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: providing equity and fair solutions for folks who do have 555 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: children or or folks who are um the minority, which 556 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: we know is actually the majority majority right now. But 557 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: so that would be the positive scenario. But I actually 558 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: am a big believer in history repeating itself, and to me, 559 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: the worst case scenario, which is if we don't act, 560 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: we could be faced with a repeat of World War two. 561 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: Post World War two, where men returned from combat and 562 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: women turned to the home. After the surge of women 563 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: in the workforce in twenty that could look like women 564 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: struggling to find childcare being forced out of the workforce. 565 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: New rules for child care centers to reduce the number 566 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: of children per group were already there. Um, we know 567 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: that there's a There was a about one fifth of 568 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: parents who planned on having a nanny and turned out 569 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: that only three percent were able to make it a 570 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: reality because of the supply and the demand. We know 571 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: that twenty three million working parents have no access to 572 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: a childcare provider. So you know it's a dangerous situation, 573 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: and it's very it's very likely that women could be 574 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: put back into the person post World War two area 575 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: where they pushed out of the workforce. Um, which is 576 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: extremely dangerous because a quarter of all children in the 577 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: US live with a single parent, higher than anywhere else 578 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: in the world. And not only are we single parents, 579 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: but again we're caring for family and friends. So that's 580 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: worst case scenario. God forbid that happens. I'm hoping for 581 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: the change like that, that happens overnight, that so many 582 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: different nonprofits have been advocating for, and I'm prepared for. Yeah, 583 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Well you you certainly, um you said 584 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: the word in their hope. You know, I am, I'm 585 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: an optimist. You look at an optimist as well. I mean, 586 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: you're you're laying out the facts, but all the facts 587 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,959 Speaker 1: are leading to a better future hopefully. Um. So really, 588 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: let's let's get to that. What gives you hope? Because 589 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: we have been talking so much about the challenges that 590 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: we are facing as parents, the greater challenges faced as 591 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: single parents, the greater greater challenge face because we are 592 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: black moms. We're saying the parents. But what gives you hope? 593 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: Like what gives you hope right now? Gosh, what's giving 594 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: me hope right now is the level of empathy has 595 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: skyrocketed from I'm sure if you did a year over 596 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: year chart, it would just be exponential. The fact that, 597 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's unfortunate that colleagues have said that Black 598 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: Lives Matter started this year, because we know it didn't. 599 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: And we know what it's like to go to the 600 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: workplace in and watch Philando Castile get murdered in front 601 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: of his child and have to continue working and not 602 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: get any type of empathy from our employers or our 603 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: team members, but to see, you know, God rest his soul, 604 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: George Floyd did not die in vain. Because the the 605 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: just the current state of empathy towards black women in 606 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: the workplace, and the I see you, and I'm going 607 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: to become an ally and I'm gonna pass the baton 608 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: and give you an opportunity to elevate your voice on 609 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: a mainstream level like share the mic. Now I participated 610 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: in that that that's unprecedented, you know. And and then 611 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: I think that COVID, had COVID not happened and caused 612 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: us to remember what it's like to be humans, first, 613 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: and to show empathy and and show a bit of 614 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: humanity for I fellow man, I don't think that there 615 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: would have ever been such an acceleration in the Black 616 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement. So I don't think that he died 617 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: in Vain. I don't like to think that anybody who 618 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: is suffering with COVID right now, or who has passed 619 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: from COVID, died in Vain. There has been tremendous strides 620 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: in humanity, especially in America right now, and I'm very 621 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: thankful for that. That was Christine Michelle Carter. You can 622 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: check out her book Mom a f and keep up 623 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: with all she's doing on Instagram. And that does it 624 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: for this week's episode of Back to Biz with Katie 625 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: and Bows. You can also follow Katie and I on 626 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: Instagram check out our favorite moments from these episodes and 627 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: all that we're doing. And there's tons of other episodes 628 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: of Back to Biz to catch up on. So if 629 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: you haven't done already, go ahead and binge. 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