1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Brian Curtiz and I'm Doug Krisner. Here 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: Well. President Biden told corporate leaders that stable US and 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: China ties will benefit the entire world. And this comes 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: today after the high profile meeting with Chinese President Sijen Ping. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: Here's Biden speaking at the CEO session of the APEX 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: summit in San Francisco. 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 3: The United States will continue to compete vigorousy at the PRC, 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: but will manage that competition responsibly so doesn't veer into conflict. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: Still, Biden acknowledged the economic tensions between the two countries. 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: Biden also sought to use the forum to encourage US 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: business leaders to step up their investments in the Asia Pacific. 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: He said that it would help bring peace and stability. 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 4: To the region. 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: The White House said that US companies have invested some 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: forty billion dollars in APEC economies throughout twenty twenty three. 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: At the same time, President she pledged to make it 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: easier for foreigners to do business and China. That story 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg zivon men in Hong Kong. 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 5: The Chinese leader is trying to woo foreign investment President 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 5: She said China would take what he called more heartwarming measures, 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 5: such as improving policies of entry and stay for foreigners. 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 5: China maintains a negative list of sectors for which foreign 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 5: investors are restricted or banned from taking stakes in. She's 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 5: decision comes as foreign firms have been moving away from 26 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 5: China due to its abrupt policy swings. The comments marked 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 5: President She's most direct discussion of the Chinese economy at 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 5: the APEX summit in Hong Kong. I'm von Mann Bloomberg Radio. 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: Not all rosy in a sense. Ali Baba shares tumbling 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: some nine percent after the company said it would delay 31 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: spinning off its cloud unit. Bloomberg's Joan Wong as the 32 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: story from Taipei. 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 4: Adi Baba sets and needs a reset, and it's not 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 4: only for the cloud units. Executives also confirmed the company 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: suspending a listing for its grocery business for Shippo Ceo 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 4: Eddie will set US restrictions on chip sales to China 37 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: has forced a company to rethink plans to break up 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 4: the Empire. Instead, he'll focus on growing the cloud unit organically, 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 4: and it will dole out its first ever annual dividend 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: of two and a half billion dollars. The decision comes 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: at an awkward time. Hotibaba has been trying to stage 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: a comeback from a COVID and a tech sector crackdown. 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 4: Dot comeback now seems further out in Taipei. I'm Joanne 44 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 4: Wan Bloomberg Radio. 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: Well after the bell, we heard from Applied Materials. The 46 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: company said net sales for the first quarter will be 47 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: about six point four to seven billion dollars. That's above 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: the six point three four billion estimated by analysts. You know, 49 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: Applied Materials is America's largest maker of chip making machinery. 50 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: It shares our down more than seven and a half 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: percent in late trading after a troubling report. We have 52 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: more from Bloomberg's town Busby. 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 6: Applied Materials now facing a federal criminal investigation into charges 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 6: that have violated US high tech export restrictions to China. 55 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 6: The US Justice Department is robing the company over dealings 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 6: with China's biggest chip maker, Semiconductor Manufacturing International. According to 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 6: reports from Reuters, the news overshadowed positive earnings results and 58 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 6: an upbeat forecast that the company posted earlier on Thursday. 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 6: Tom Buzzby Bloomberg Radio. 60 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: Meantime, we're hearing it Apple is going to miss its 61 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: deadline to roll out its own iPhone modem instead of 62 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: using Qualcomm's. Bloomberg's Denise Pellegrini has the story. 63 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 7: This would be the second delay, and sources say it 64 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 7: would postpone the release of the in house modem until 65 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 7: at least the end of twenty twenty five, are possibly 66 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 7: even into twenty twenty six. That's the final year of 67 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 7: Apple's recently extended contract with Qualcom. This is really an 68 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 7: egg on your face moment for Apple. It has thousands 69 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 7: of people working on this modem project, and in addition 70 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 7: to labor costs, Apple paid a billion dollars to buy 71 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 7: Intel's modem division and then went on a hiring spree 72 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 7: to build that out. And even if Apple does finally 73 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 7: get its own motem up and running, it would still 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 7: need to test it with hundreds of wireless carriers, all 75 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 7: will make making sure not to infringe Qualcomm's current patents. 76 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 7: Denise Pelgreny Bloomberg Radio. 77 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: Amazon will be able to sell cars from Hyundai directly 78 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: to customers now through its website beginning next year. 79 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: Now. 80 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: Currently, Amazon shoppers can choose a car from multiple automakers, 81 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: but they can't actually purchase it on Amazon. They need 82 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: to be connected rather with a dealer to complete the deal. 83 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: So this upcoming partnership between Amazon and Hundai could potentially 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: prompt other car manufacturers to follow suit. Now Hondai is 85 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: saying it's hopeful that Amazon's platform will help it juice sales. 86 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: Now it's time for global news. While speaking to the 87 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: APEC gathering, President Joe Biden said that the spirit of 88 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: hope had opened again in the into Pacific. At Baxter 89 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: has News from the nine to sixty news room in 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: San Francisco. 91 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 8: Ed Yeah, you hit it. Brian Biden says partnerships are 92 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 8: being formed. 93 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: As inclusive where workers are empowered and the rights are respected. 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: Our economies are sustainable, resilient. The bridges that connect our 95 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: people open a golden gate of opportunity to create lives 96 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: of hope. 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 8: And President Shei Jimpang message to the US through APREC 98 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 8: aimed at the US. 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 9: So the largest developing contreatment, that is China, the largest 100 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 9: developed country, the United States. 101 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 4: We must get along with each other. 102 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 8: And Bloomberg Zanbri hor Duren says, the big winners that 103 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 8: they actually met. She says, the main deliverables were arranged 104 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 8: before the meetings. 105 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 10: And the main deliverable and win is that Chi Jinping 106 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 10: and President Biden our meeting and President Biden received. 107 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 7: A big loud of applause from. 108 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 10: These individuals which are coming out now from this summit. 109 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 10: He's when he said that we have reinstated military to 110 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 10: military communication. 111 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 8: Now the US rolled and of what it calls the 112 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 8: Presidential Will Memorandum of Advancing Worker Empowerment today globally, Secretary 113 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 8: of State Anthony Blincoln at APEX. 114 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 11: It's pretty basic. We believe that every worker deserves to 115 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 11: have their rights and dignity respected. 116 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 8: And he's talking globally. Blincoln says workers in the beat 117 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 8: need to be at the decision making table. Israel's army 118 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 8: now controls Gaza's harbor after clearing the area and dismantling 119 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 8: ten tunnel shafts. The army says also destroyed other military 120 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 8: infrastructure at the small port. US says it is working 121 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 8: with Israel meantime and the wake of the attack on 122 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 8: Al Shifa Hospital on the best way to carry out 123 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 8: operations while protecting civilians. State Department spokesman Matthew Miller. 124 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 11: What is the best way to implement protection for civilians 125 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 11: in southern Gaza, and we continue to work through those details. 126 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 11: But it's a conversation that's ongoing with the Israeli government 127 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 11: right now. 128 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 8: Miller says they're continuing talks about the best way to 129 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 8: locate hostages and get release. He does say the body 130 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 8: of one was found at the hospital. The White House 131 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 8: is commenting posts made by Elon Musk about the Jewish 132 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 8: Antidefamation League that have been criticized as anisemitic NSC spokesman 133 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 8: John Kirby. 134 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,119 Speaker 6: Which certainly abhorr comments that are anti Semitic in tone, 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 6: and certainly don't associate ourselves with the comments that he 136 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 6: might might have made last night. 137 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 11: I mean, that's just unacceptable. 138 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 8: Musk responded to an antisemitic post on X that said 139 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 8: Jewish communities pushed hatred against whites, saying quote, you have 140 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 8: said the actual truth and running alongside this. IBM has 141 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 8: suspended its advertising on X after finding its ads running 142 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 8: near pro Nazi posts. Media Matters found IBM, Apple Oracle, Exfinity, 143 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 8: and the Bravo Network Global News twenty four hours a 144 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 8: day and whenever you want it with Bloomberg News Now 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 8: in San Francisco. I'm Ed Baxter in. 146 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Sean Brian Curtis again here in Hong 147 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: Kong with our coverage this morning. Vonnie Quinn joins US 148 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: now in New York, and also joining this is Jenny Marsh, 149 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: Bloomberg team leader for a Greater China Eco Government coverage, 150 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: And of course we're going to talk a little bit 151 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: more about the Apex summit. Jenny, thanks very much. Well, 152 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: it was a bit of a charm offensive here on 153 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: both sides. So my question to you is, did President 154 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: she just seduce America with his trip or did America 155 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: seduce mister She. 156 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 12: Oh, it's a good question. I mean, look, I think 157 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 12: he's absolutely come out here on some kind of charm offensive. 158 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 12: This is a completely different choosing pin to the kind 159 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 12: of very sort of stolid character we see sort of 160 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 12: in China. And even when he's abroad, he's been smiling, 161 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 12: he's been gushing about the American people, he's offered them 162 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 12: pandas you know, he's really here to present China, I 163 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 12: think as a force for peace. He's talked a lot 164 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 12: about no hot war or China will not go to 165 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 12: war with anyone and just personally trying to project his 166 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 12: own soft decide. You know, State me Yea yesterday were 167 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 12: very active on Twitter sort of pushing out these images 168 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 12: of Biden and she looking at Biden's iPhone. There's a 169 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 12: photograph on it if she is sort of quite a 170 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 12: dapper young man. Thirty eight years ago in front of 171 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 12: the Golden Gate Bridge on his first publicly known trip 172 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 12: to the US, he accepted a basketball shop from an 173 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 12: American basketball team. Later on stage from California Governor Gavin Newsom. 174 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 12: Then there was this panda pledge. You know, there's a 175 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 12: lot of sort of soft power engagement going on here 176 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 12: to protect the softer side of she. I think, you know, 177 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 12: to the American public, but also to sort of American 178 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 12: investors who feel like China has become this much more 179 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 12: kind of hostile place to foreigners in general. And I 180 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 12: think she is on a mission to kind of soften 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 12: the image of China and make people feel like their 182 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 12: money is welcome back in China. 183 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 9: It also seems like the Chinese delegation and everyone associated 184 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 9: ignored or downplayed the dictator comment, which was made sort 185 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 9: of an ad hoc by President Biden. Does this indicate 186 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 9: that it would take a lot for any backsliding now, 187 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 9: so for example, the spy balloon, you know, the incidents 188 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 9: like that will maybe go unnoticed on both sides for 189 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 9: some time. 190 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think that was an unfortunate comment. 191 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 12: You know, once Biden was given the question, he had 192 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 12: no choice to really but to respond in the way 193 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 12: that he did. But the Chinese have never let such comments. 194 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 12: The rail Deploymacy, you know, he called Biden called shea 195 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 12: dictator after Blincoln, just after Blincoln actually visited in back 196 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 12: in June, and then the Foreign Ministry criticized it, but 197 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 12: they proceeded to have this sort of flowery of Biden 198 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 12: administration senior figures come to Beijing after Biden's shortly afterwards 199 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 12: that the Chinese economy was a tick in time bomb 200 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 12: for the rest of the world, and he said that, 201 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 12: you know, it was dangerous because the Communist Party sort 202 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 12: of bad people do dangerous things where they're under pressure. 203 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 12: You know. Again, that did and de route Eploymacy. So 204 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 12: I think actually Besi's always been quite clear headed about 205 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 12: not letting Biden sort of off the cuff remarks, which 206 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 12: actually are sort of much more catered towards the domestic 207 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 12: audience he has going into an election, and being anti 208 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 12: China is a bipartisan issue that unites the whole country. 209 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: No doubt, the tone has improved. If you just look 210 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: at the front pages of the Global Times, for instance, 211 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: a paper under the Communist Party and one that is 212 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: quite often known for hyperbole and vitriolic kind of claims, 213 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: you have a picture of Biden and She strolling amicably 214 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: through the gardens there at that estate and woodside, and 215 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: headlines like she Biden concludes Strategic, Historic, and Directional Summit, 216 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: the future in another story, the future of US China 217 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 2: relations created by the people President She noted, the question 218 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: is does it actually translate to improved policies? Now, we 219 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: did have President She pledging to make it easier for 220 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: foreigners to do business in China. Can you give us 221 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: some of the broad outlines of that. 222 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 12: I mean, he's made this pledge, and his government's made 223 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 12: this pledge so many times now. But what he's talking 224 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 12: about here are sort of smaller things that are going 225 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 12: the people's lives easier. So that's in terms of talking 226 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 12: about visas, access to financial, medical, and other sort of 227 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 12: services for people like executives who are living in China, 228 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 12: and they're just talking about really sort of creating this 229 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 12: level playing field for businesses. So he's talking about this 230 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 12: world class business environment, you know, the rule of law 231 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 12: making sure that intellectual property for foreign companies is protected 232 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 12: in China. So all these sort of things around the 233 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 12: fringes that have made working in China just a bit 234 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 12: more sort of difficult. But you know, how do you 235 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 12: square that with this sort of seemingly unstoppable drive for 236 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 12: national security in China, which is sort of made foreigners 237 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 12: a target of suspicion, you know, as the government really 238 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 12: sort of tries to weed out foreigns buys and secure 239 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 12: its data as you know, that kind of information it 240 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 12: believes can be used by countries like the US to 241 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 12: inform their decisions on how they're going to impose seven 242 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 12: trade cubs, which we still that earlier this year too 243 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 12: with the crackdown on the Expect Network company. So it's 244 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 12: a nice message. I think it has all the right tone, 245 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 12: but you know, how do you square it with the 246 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 12: security consents? And I think that is the real problem 247 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 12: in China's policy at the moment. On the one hand, 248 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 12: you do have this drive for foreign business and to 249 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 12: welcome out. On the other hand, the impetus to sort 250 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 12: of ramp up security is backed by she, So I 251 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 12: just how they're going to sort of get those two 252 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 12: things to work together in harmony. I think it's probably 253 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 12: the biggest challenge tracing his government. 254 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess it's a step. And like you say, 255 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean, if you trust, then you believe that the 256 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: other side is not really out to undermine you, then 257 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: you are not. 258 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 7: So obsessed with security. 259 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: So we'll see whether this tone holds, and obviously there's 260 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: going to be developments on a daily basis from which 261 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: to judge. Jenny, thanks so much for joining us here 262 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: live on the program. Jenny Marsh Bloomberg team leader for 263 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: Greater China and economic and government coverage in the Bloomberg 264 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: News team based here with us in Hong Kong. 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