1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: All right, Lily Rose is here. I'm so excited to 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: have you. Dude, it is a long, long overdo I'm 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: so excited to be here. Yeah, Chip and I were 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: just talking about fun people we could have. We love 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: having people from the music world because it kind of 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: marries both of our world's. Lily and I've been working 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: together a little bit in the styling world, which has 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: been really fun, and I just love your story. So 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: I thought i'd be really fun to have you on 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: here and just you know, meet the people, meet the 11 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: listeners we have here. I'm flattered. I'm flattered. Okay, So 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: I always love with musicians asking this question because for me, 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: my life has not looked like I knew exactly what 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: I was going to do. I still feel like I'm 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: figuring out what I'm gonna do, you know, kind of 16 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: navigating that. But have you always known you wanted to 17 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: do music? Like did you just wake up one morning 18 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, I'm gonna be a musician. It's 19 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: so funny. I was at the Justin Bieber concert last 20 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: night and I was telling Jealous, I want to I'm 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: the old guy in the room. Hey, we we we 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: partied for you. But they're telling a couple of people 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: from my agency and Tyler Hubbard's wife that I started 24 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: playing the drums when I was nine years old, and 25 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: I always could pick up instruments and just teach myself. 26 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: But until I started singing and writing songs, I always 27 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: thought I wanted to be a manager. It was such 28 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: a big like One Tree Hill Fan and so many 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: of the shows that introduced what the music industry looks 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: like for young people, and I was like, Oh, I'm 31 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: going to be a producer or a manager or an 32 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: agent or something like that. Until I started writing songs 33 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: and Taylor Swift came in hot and I was like, 34 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Second I started singing, I was like, 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: no going back. Yeah, I love that. So you would 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: have been a manager? Well, obviously this is what Chip 37 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: does like, would you actually have done management? You think, like, 38 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: what drew you to that part of the business? You know, 39 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: I always make the joke in those early two thousands 40 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: movies and TV shows it would be like, yeah, this 41 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: is the manager. He's also the producer in the booking 42 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: agent in front of the engineer and everything. So you know, 43 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: I was pretty blind growing up in Atlanta. Uh, didn't 44 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: have tond of music industry knowledge, so I don't really 45 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: know what that meant. I just knew I wanted to 46 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: be around it. I wanted to be backstage. I wanted 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: to be in meetings. Um, I want to be a 48 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: part of creating, you know, music for the world to hear. 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: I just never anticipate was going to be on the 50 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: actual creative side. Yeah, that's so funny. I think that's 51 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: how this business might work, because that was sort of 52 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: how my story went to, Like I have a PR degree. 53 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: I moved here to do that, and I was like, oh, 54 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: I hate that, but I just loved the energy around 55 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: this industry. So how did you then once you decided okay, yeah, 56 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: like songwriting is the thing, or I want to actually 57 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: be the musician, what was next? How did you get started? Yeah? 58 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: So I really started writing songs. I was like fifteen, 59 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: and I was always that kid that after we would 60 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: play the basketball games or the soccer games, we'd all 61 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: go back to somebody's house and I would sit around 62 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: the fire and we'd sing Taylor Swift songs and Katie 63 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: Perry songs and Nicki Minaj and all that stuff. And 64 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: I always really wanted to go to Belmont. I knew 65 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to be in this town, um, and my 66 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: dad was like, aren't paying for that? Go to Athens, Georgia. 67 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: If you really want to do music that bad, there's 68 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: plenty of opportunities and Athens. And I'm so thankful of 69 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: all the decisions that he helped guide me with that. 70 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I learned how to be on stage. I went there 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: and I started doing open mic nights and I would 72 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: play the four hour bar sets and then I started 73 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: telling hard tickets, and um, I learned how to write 74 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: a set list, I learned how to tour. I learned 75 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: how to book a tour, the be my own manager, producer, 76 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: booking agent. All those springs. Won't learn how to be 77 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: on stage. I was gonna say, I bet the decision 78 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: to go to Georgia versus Belmont probably really affected the 79 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: outcome of you being an artist versus a manager. Had 80 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: you had you come to Belmont, you probably would have 81 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: delved more into the music business side of things. And definitely, yeah, 82 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: I got really good advice, um, actually from Marion Morris's drummer, 83 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: like six or seven years ago. Just if you have 84 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: a backup plan when it comes to being on the 85 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: creative side of this this town. Uh, it's probably not 86 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: the right job for you. And I'm really thankful because 87 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: I feel like if I had gotten a degree in 88 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: anything music business wise, yes, I could have had a 89 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: foot in the door a little earlier with different opportunities, 90 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: but I feel like I would have always felt like 91 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: I had a backup plan. I'm like, well saying, if 92 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: the artist thing doesn't work by thirty, at least I 93 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: have my degree and I can get an internship doing 94 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: something here. It's like, nope, happens, but there for five years, 95 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: still didn't graduate. Sorry, And uh, I was playing like 96 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: eighty to nineties shows a year while being in school 97 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: and working like four jobs. So I think the hustles 98 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: the hustles in Nate and then me and I was 99 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: born to be here, that's for sure. Do you do 100 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: the any Agraham? Oh yeah, what do you think? Are 101 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: you three? I'm such a three? Okay. I mean I'm 102 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: just listening to you talk about the hustle. And I've 103 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: actually experienced this with you a little bit, even in 104 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: the small amount of time that I've worked with you. 105 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 1: It's like you know yourself, you know what you want, 106 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: You have a very clear direction in all areas of 107 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: your career already, which I think as a new artist 108 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: is really rare. I mean, would you say that ship 109 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: like it's incredibly rare. Yeah, I mean I think a 110 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: lot of artists just set out and they just want 111 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: to do it, you know, and they don't um. And 112 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: again back to like you thinking that you wanted to 113 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: be a manager, I think that's really come in handy 114 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: and you shaping your career because you've been able to 115 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: look at it as an artist and as a manager 116 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: and sort of like put together a strategy to to 117 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: sort of get yourself there. So yeah, I've been told 118 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: by a lot of my team members, and I know 119 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: I probably am a kind of coming out of left 120 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: field compared to a lot of other artists. I'm very administrative, 121 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, the days where I'm like, I don't even 122 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: want to wait on a tour graphic. I'll just make 123 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: it myself because I did it for ten years, so 124 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: I know I can do it now and and stuff 125 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: like that. And it's funny because I think it frustrates 126 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: my team a little bit, but at the same time, 127 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: it's like cut the middleman. Really respect it because I 128 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: think the creative brain is. It's it's very difficult sometimes 129 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: to balance that like business and creative stuff. But if 130 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: you have your direction and you have the creative aspect too, 131 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: but you have the direction behind it, it really can 132 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: integrate a lot faster, which maybe why you're seeing some 133 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: such success, I think so quickly or quickly to us. 134 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you've been someone you've been grinding for a while. 135 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's funny because you know, every time 136 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: I hear the word new artists, and I'm appreciative of 137 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: the compliments of you guys, you know, saying that I 138 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: have a vision for being a new artist and stuff 139 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: like that. But I've been at it for thirteen years 140 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: and I'm really thankful for for all of the bumps 141 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: in the road, and I know they're going to be 142 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: some of the future. But that will help you shape 143 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: exactly knowing what you want, you know. Yeah, I'm just 144 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: doing it and grinding it out and getting the cliche 145 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: million knows before you ever got yes. So yeah, so 146 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: when you were in Athens, I mean, because I think 147 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: this is what's really cool about your music too. So 148 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: obviously you're a Southern girl and so and you're here 149 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: in the country music industry, but there is this like 150 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: R and B kind of like vibe bit to your music. 151 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Were you figuring that out in college? Like as you're 152 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: like navigating, Oh, I need to go play this show? 153 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 1: And I'm like, how did that evolve for you? Knowing 154 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: you wanted to be in country music, um, but having 155 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: this different kind of swagger to you. Yeah, you know, 156 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: growing up in Atlanta, my dad has always been in radio. 157 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: He still is and he had the biggest hip hop 158 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: station in all of Atlanta during the two thousand five 159 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: to two thousand and eleven period. This is like my era, 160 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: literally thriving, probably listening to your dad's station. Oh my god, 161 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean like ying Yang twins, young jocks, like all 162 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: of those things that we you know, just got down to. 163 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: I was in middle school and high school, so I 164 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: got to go to all those concerts. I was pretty 165 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: immersed for being a kid in Catholic school and suburban Atlanta, 166 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: pretty immersed in the rep and uh, I've always loved it, 167 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: and wrath is still probably my favorite genre of everything. 168 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: Um So I was country, so for me, there was 169 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: always that innate thing there. And then yeah, in college, 170 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: I really thought for a long time I was going 171 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: to kind of follow the then rector need to Breathe 172 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: James Bay sound um, moved to Nashville do that as 173 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: an artist, but right, country music makes me move to 174 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: l a and try to break into pop or anything. 175 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: The second I got here, I started co writing, and 176 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: for the first time in my life, I was writing songs. 177 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: I was like, Holy cow, I love the songs I'm writing. 178 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be anybody else. I'm not trying 179 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: to sound like this. I'm not trying to write James 180 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: Bay ballad, you know, for my show, and this is 181 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: the fit in the set. It was like, no, throw 182 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: it all out. Write music that you love and you 183 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: feel and you would be a fan of yourself. And 184 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: for me it was country and I I saw it 185 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: coming because I moved up here to write country music, 186 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: but not to be an artist in it. And I'm 187 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: so glad that it kind of fell in my lap 188 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: the way that it did. And stay true to exactly 189 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: who I feel like I am sonically, which is Villain 190 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: and my other songs that we put out before the 191 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: record deal better than that green Light, And I mean, 192 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't think in two thousand eleven Villain would have 193 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: worked in country, but luckily everything lined up sonically. I 194 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: think it's still a little ahead of its time. But 195 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: even just me being in country music is an out 196 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: lgbt Q member, you know, it's like timing. Timing has 197 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: been so good to me in my life with being 198 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: in this genre and format. Yeah, I mean, I think 199 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: that's the perfect transition into what I wanted to go into. 200 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: Because there is a lot of talk about you as 201 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: kind of groundbreaking and kind of just trailblazing this new 202 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: path musically, but I really feel like it's like you 203 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: as a whole, because, as you mentioned, you are an 204 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: openly gay woman coming into this industry which is quite conservative, 205 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: you know for the most part, and so to come 206 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: out and you're openly talking about being engaged and just 207 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: like your beautiful fiance, and I just love you guys 208 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: so much in the way that y'all share your story 209 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: with us. So what have you kind of faced navigating 210 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: not only being a little different musically, you said, timings 211 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: lined up, so maybe it's kind of been an easy transition, 212 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: but also just like owning your truth and being yourself fully, Like, 213 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: how has that looked in Nashville. Yeah, you know, I 214 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: dealt with a lot more discrimination with anything in Athens, 215 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: Georgia than I have here, because the biggest misconception is 216 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: Nashville is the home of country music, which is the 217 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: most conservative format. It's like, man, we're an entertainment town. 218 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: I have not. There's so many people. Yeah, we got 219 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: a long way to go, but I feel so embraced 220 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: by this community. Um, I probably didn't get as many 221 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: nose or yes is as much as I probably just 222 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: got indifferent from people. Probably didn't get a lot of 223 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: opportunities that people who look a little bit more down 224 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: the middle or sound down the middle got. Um, but 225 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: that's okay. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna go through that 226 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: the rest of my career. So I'm always you know, coach, 227 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: you's got to put me in the game if I 228 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: keep scoring points. So that's that's um. But no, you know, 229 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: it's Nashville has been extremely kind to me, and I've 230 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: got really lucky with Villain doing what it did on 231 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: TikTok because I got to meet with a lot of 232 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: people when it comes to team, you know, choosing my management, 233 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: choosing my agency, record label, publishing, and I ended up 234 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: with people that see me for who I am as 235 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: an artist on and off stage, as a person on 236 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: and off stage, and uh, they've really helped share my vision, 237 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: which is we're going to change country music's hearts and 238 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: minds with music, and uh, you don't have to have 239 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: an agenda, in my opinion, if the songs are good enough, 240 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: I think that that just nailed it. Tip would you 241 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: agree with that? Absolutely? And you know, I want to 242 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: give props to Nationale too, Like I do think that 243 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: like it defies what people act. There are a lot 244 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: of openly gay people on the business side of it, 245 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: and on the management side, there's a lot of like 246 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: really strong female managers out there. There's You've got Sydney 247 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: maybe who runs market, who's like the president of um G. 248 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: Like there there are so many like amazing minorities. You're 249 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: You've got um Lily's got a game manager and a 250 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: block manager. Like it's like this town is um I 251 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: think it would really surprise people how open um you 252 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: know the genre is. I mean, as a gay man myself, 253 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: like I've never felt unwelcome in fact, like you know, 254 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: my my history is more in the like rock, alternative 255 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: and pop space, and I often felt more uncomfortable being 256 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: around like rock bands, like you know, groups of like 257 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: straight white dudes that suddenly I have to like inject 258 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: myself into versus the business side, Like I've never really 259 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: felt shunned on the b on this side of things. 260 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: So I couldn't agree more. And you know that I 261 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: can only tell my story and that is mine. And 262 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: again I'm not saying that I have gotten any opportunities 263 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: before Villain, if I'll be very frank with that, nobody 264 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: gave me a shot like at all. There are a 265 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: lot of people in my life right now even that 266 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: are just flooding me with opportunities I'm so grateful for. 267 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: But they they heard Villain two and a half years ago, 268 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: and then you know, and it's kind of like, all right, 269 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta see the data and I respect that, 270 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: but I can only tell my story, and um, I've 271 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: never felt unwelcomed here. I just think there's just been 272 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: some passive parts of it of you don't fit in 273 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: the box. But I wish that country music. I've been 274 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: saying this forever, if country music knew how many gay 275 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: men run like the game afia here, I'm like, if 276 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: they had a clue of who old dominions manager any man. 277 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's just like it's the best thing ever 278 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: and I love it and nobody that's and I I 279 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: think you're the first person that's actually literally told me 280 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: that I have a black and a game manager even 281 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: think about, Yeah, they're so good at their jobs and 282 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: like that, and it shouldn't matter, you know, it really 283 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: should not matter. Um. And in the same way that like, look, 284 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: I think, um, you know, everyone is looking for an 285 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: excuse to say no to an artist because there's so 286 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: many and there's only so many slots for things. So 287 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: it's like if you can say no because it's you're 288 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: talking to a female or or they're gay, or the 289 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: color of their skin, like it's just an excuse. If 290 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: you bring them the data and great songs, the excuses 291 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: go out the window. They have to um. Yeah, And 292 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: I think that your proof of that. So you know, well, 293 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: I love that you actually use the word in difference 294 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: earlier because I think that that's a positive kids, like 295 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: you've pointed out and chips pointing out like the music 296 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: is actually what matters. And so yeah, you did have 297 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: your to earn your way, just as every artist should 298 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: have to, I think, and it shouldn't matter color or 299 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: sexuality or anything like that. And so to me, even 300 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: the word indifference is kind of a positive and that yeah, 301 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And like you said about your management, 302 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: they're just fucking good at their jobs, like yep, and 303 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: that's all that should matter. Yep, it really should. You know, 304 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: country music still has a long way. I am really 305 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: really again talked about me and built for this um 306 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: personality type everything. Very excited to be on this side 307 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: of country music history that I feel like p J 308 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: and I and a couple other folks are making because 309 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: pop music like Sam Smith so beautiful, Harry Style so 310 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: beautiful that they are just exactly who they are, and 311 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: pop music, they pop music already has their arms open. 312 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: Country music is sitting there like it, and we were 313 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: trying to crack through in a genre that is not 314 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: only tolerant, but they definitely don't accept or embrace and 315 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: a lot of aspects of it. So you know, it's 316 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: it's a hard egg to crack. But I feel like 317 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: I was born to be a part of this movement 318 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: and hopefully that means that we don't go anywhere and 319 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: too to do that. We just have to keep putting 320 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: out good music. I'm actually glad you brought up t J, 321 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: because I had him in my head this morning too 322 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: and I was making notes. Um, we loved J by 323 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: the way, he's a friends to adore him, the best 324 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: human ever. Um, But you know his story is a 325 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: little different from yours, and that he got they built 326 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: a career first, like you know in Nashville, like we've 327 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: known t J forever, so we obviously knew, but publicly 328 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: he was not openly gay, and I feel like they 329 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: really kind of got a little more established musically to 330 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: have a huge fan base, and then he came out, 331 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: which is another you know, risk factor to do it 332 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: that way. But like with you, you're doing it all 333 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: at the same time, Like you just kind of came 334 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: in as you are and you're just like, here's how 335 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: I am. So is there some way that you really 336 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of like owned who you are or stood in 337 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: your own powers, stood in your own truth that you 338 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: could tell people that might be coming into an industry 339 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: or just like into this world. Just feeling sort of 340 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: like is it okay to be myself? Like I just 341 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: see that you're just like I am me here I 342 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: am and like, I'm fucking good at what I do 343 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna show you guys that and the 344 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: rest of it shouldn't matter. But how do you stand 345 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: so true in that? Yeah, you know, things that are 346 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: out of my control. Um. I was born into a 347 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: family that is incredible. Um. I have two parents and 348 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: a brother and all my extended family that have only 349 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: ever been just accepting and embracing that's who I am. 350 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: So that helps a lot. YEA. I have an incredible 351 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: partner at home that always challenges me but also keeps 352 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: me true and you know, humble. But uh, I think 353 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: a lot of it is just kind of innate and 354 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: just taken no ship and staying true to who you are. 355 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: In my favorite line that I've always tried to stay 356 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: true too, and sometimes I've really failed at it is 357 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: Katie Perry said in her movie I love Katy Perry. 358 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: I love her and I've seen her movie like two 359 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: hundred times I'm not even kidding, And she said, she said, 360 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: you can't be too busy trying to be anybody else 361 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: because everybody else has taken I think that that is 362 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: one of the most roll your eyes cliche lines ever, 363 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: but what you really think about it, it is the 364 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: truest thing in the entire world. I think we see 365 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: the opposite of that the most in this genre. It's 366 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: like one one girl does one thing on stage, and 367 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: then everyone tries to do it. Or one boy touched 368 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: his shirt in who his jeans and everyone's tucking their 369 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: shirts into their cheess, you know, and it's kind of 370 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: like sometimes I want to follow that, like there is 371 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: a part of me that don't fix what it broke. 372 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: And if people are liking that, why would you not 373 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: chase it? It's like, Nope, nobody Sam Hunt, Ed Sheeran, 374 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: Marion Morris, all of these incredible sonic trailblazers that came 375 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: through in this genre and and all of music. They 376 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: did not do something that everyone else was doing. They 377 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: did it brand new. And I think if you go 378 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: back and look at the not the history of country music, 379 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: but in the last ten years, those people that skyrocket, 380 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: you know, the f g Ls, the Morgans, the Party, 381 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: they are doing sonically, lyrically, things people have never touched before. 382 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: And you don't become a superstar doing stuff people have 383 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: already done, in my opinion, trying to trying to stay 384 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: treated that and I'm really lucky. I get a lot 385 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: of d M from a lot of aspiring artists that 386 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: are moving to Nashville that are in the community, and 387 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: they say, uh, hey, I'm I'm scared to move to 388 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: the South. I'm scared to move to Nashville, And uh 389 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: it's nice that people can come to me and I 390 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: can reassureing, Hey, the town. There are a lot more 391 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: things that are going to hurt your heart in this 392 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: town than being gay. I promised you that that should 393 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: be the least of your worries and always get to 394 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, it kind of breaks the ice and loosens 395 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: them up a little bit. But I'm like, man, like 396 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. It's an it's an entertainment town, 397 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: and everyone's extremely kind here. I love that you said 398 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: that your brain can try to trick you sometimes to 399 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: be like, oh, well that's working, because I think we 400 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: all do that, right. Like there's this like really big 401 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: battle within of like I really just want to fit 402 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: in and I really want to like trailblaze and do 403 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: the thing that makes me me and whatever. And so 404 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: it's this constant day to day kind of self talk 405 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: that you need to be like, no, I need to 406 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: own me because I think you're right, Like your music 407 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: stands out to me as something totally different that I 408 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: haven't heard before, and so for maybe a second it 409 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: would take you like, wait, do I like this? Do 410 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: I not like this? But then but you're still thinking 411 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: about it versus like it's just background music that you 412 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: never pay attention to. Do you know what I mean. 413 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: I'm so glad we're talking about this on this podcast 414 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: because so with the music, you know, whether it's doing 415 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: writing a song just guitar vocal kind of lyric melody, 416 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: trying to do something different, getting in the studio making 417 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: it sonically sound different. That takes from the time that 418 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: it's created until the time the world hears it. Hell 419 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: a minimum of three months, sometimes it's a maximum of 420 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: two years. But the fashion is the thing that I 421 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: fall into because it's immediate. It is like you can choose, 422 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: you can buy something and put it on your person 423 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: like today, And that's where I have the hard time 424 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: of dang, like I love that look that everyone's doing 425 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: right now, but me dressing like everybody else has that 426 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: ever served me kind of thing? And it's very immediate. 427 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: And that's the one that I struggle with the most 428 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: of Like, dang, I want to do this because I 429 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: saw it and I like it, But I'm like, is 430 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: that saying true to me? Like, so it's the fashion 431 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: is where I find the most temptation to into. Well 432 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: that's why you can have me. But but also like 433 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: I to see that because even when we were like 434 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: you were sending me vision boards and stuff, and it's 435 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: like you have your inspiration, and I think we all 436 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: want inspiration. And this goes for everything, goes for your music, 437 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: it goes for who you are like emotionally on the inside, 438 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: it goes for fashion, and like the quick fixes are 439 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: so fucking tempting to just like sell yourself out. I've 440 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: done it a million times, Like, yes, I'll go on 441 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: that reality show for a second because that seems like 442 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: the best way to publicize my business. Didn't work out 443 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: because it wasn't aligned with me, you know, um, But 444 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: you can't know it until you try it. And I 445 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: think what you're saying about just really staying true to 446 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: yourself is scary but the most rewarding ultimately for all 447 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: of us and will help you find the most success 448 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: because you're you and that like, like Katy Pierer says, 449 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: it's just like no one else can do that. Yep, 450 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: So that, Yeah, I definitely struggle with that, but there 451 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: keeps very humble with that, like why would you why 452 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: would you wear that? Yeah, I'm like, Okay, it's important. 453 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: It's important to have people around you that are honest too, 454 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: because it's, um, you know, when the art butts up 455 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: against the business side of things, it's like it is 456 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: really tempting to be like, Okay, this is what everyone 457 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: who's on the radio is doing, like and that's sort 458 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: of the holy grail because that's where you're you're you're 459 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: reaching the masses. But I think like, ultimately, if you 460 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: can craft like a very clear vision for yourself and 461 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: define what you are your your stuff will find its 462 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: way to the radio. And if you're doing things to 463 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: only be on the radio, you've already sort of defeated 464 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: yourself because there's so many other ways to find an audio. 465 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: It's that's just the math audience. So once you lay 466 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: the foundation of your career with the people that are 467 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: going to stick with you from day one through the end, um, 468 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: then you then you're already winning the radio at that 469 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: point becomes the icing on the cape. Definitely. No, I mean, 470 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: I will shout out I've got a lot of great 471 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: parts of my team, but I will shout out Big 472 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: Loud for that. I can't speak on any other record 473 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: label because I don't have the experience, but the song 474 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: integrity and just the integrity of being authentic and staying true. 475 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: I don't know a year and a half into this 476 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: record deal if I would have the same trajectory being 477 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: with somebody else, because Big Loud always will just come 478 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: and smack me in the face and be like, uh, 479 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: you don't do that, that's not you. Like, we're gonna 480 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: stay true and we're not gonna worry about what's on 481 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: the radio right now because your song won't get to 482 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: the radio until a year from now and everything's gonna 483 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: be different, is going to be different and all that. 484 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: So I'm very grateful to have people like Seth Angling 485 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: and Joey Moy and my corner because, uh, there's in 486 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: my opinion, the best I mean it looks. It's really 487 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: important that once those masses this, I mean, look, people 488 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: that like listen to the radio exclusively, they're not necessarily 489 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: digging for like what's the new, hot, undiscovered thing. They 490 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: kind of want to be told like, hey, this is 491 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: what you should like. So it's really important when they 492 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: do finally hear you that when they come to your 493 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: socials or your website or whatever, they understand who you 494 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: are like and it needs to be clear. When they 495 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: listen to other songs, they're like, oh, I get this, 496 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm signing up for this, And if you're all over 497 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: the place, they're not gonna they're not gonna be able 498 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: to connect the dots and then they're gone. Definitely. I 499 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: hope I'm on the other side of the thing, you know, 500 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: being one of the kids that blew up on TikTok um. 501 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: It's an oversaturated market in my opinion right now with 502 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: country artists, especially the up and coming country artists, and 503 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: I hope that I can be in ten years that 504 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: artists that stuck around. And I'm rooting for my colleagues too. 505 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: I hope my peers can be on that path with me. 506 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: But I hope there in ten years I'm the one 507 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: that stuck around. But they can always know that they 508 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: can go back to my socials and it's going to 509 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: be a strong social presence. The way that it was 510 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: when I started, because that's what launched me. And I 511 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: deal with that battle a lot, kind of like, dang, 512 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: why already signed the record deal? So I don't need 513 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: to be back on TikTok every day and all of that, 514 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: and I, uh, I'm reminded every time that I get 515 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: back on TikTok that it works. So don't fix what 516 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: ain't broke. But I try to find that balance, you know, 517 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: if I'm not just a TikTok artist, but I'm a 518 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: country radio artist, and um, it's a hard line. Let's 519 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about TikTok since you mentioned it 520 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: and you're you're talking about the song Villain that went viral. 521 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: We decided in December. Don't google it, it it tells you 522 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: the wrong date. But okay, so tell us a little 523 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: bit about that journey. How did that all go down? Yeah, 524 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: it was crazy. I all three was very reluctant to 525 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: get on the app. I was like, I'm not doing that, 526 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: it's for kids. I think the same thought that most 527 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: of us over the edge of twenty three had of 528 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: like there's no way I'm getting on that app. And uh, 529 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: I saw people like Priscilla Block and Andrew Joannaka's get 530 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: record deals by putting songs up there, and I was like, man, 531 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: I've been in this town too long and I've got 532 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: too good of songs to not get on on TikTok. 533 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: So I got on there, started posting. I had one 534 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: song that did relatively well. Um and Rickaya Marshall DMed 535 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: me one day. It was like the week before Thanksgiving. 536 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: She d m me and she was like, hey, I 537 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: really like your voice. I did. It really stood out 538 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: to me. Do you want to get together and we'll 539 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: hang out and listen to music? And I said I 540 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: would love to. Like the first meeting I've ever had 541 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: with anybody that is anything in town. I was like, hell, yeah, 542 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: this is awesome. And so I went over to her house. 543 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: I knew that Seth England was her boyfriend and they 544 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: lived together. So I was like, well, big glad, it's 545 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: been my favorite record label forever. This is great and 546 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: we listen through songs. We listen through I always give 547 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: them hell. But Villain was in that batch and uh 548 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: it was great. Had great hangs and they're like, okay, cool, 549 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: we'll stay in touch. I don't know if you're like 550 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: ready for a deal, but for a publishing deal, a 551 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: little stay in punch. I was like, holy cow, okay um. 552 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: I did not know Rikaya was about to start her 553 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: own business, start her own company, and that lit a 554 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: fire underneath me. I was reading that Matthew McConaughey Green 555 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: Lights book. I don't know if you guys, I don't 556 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: know about it. Tell me everything. And by read, I 557 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: mean I listened to the audio book highly suggests because 558 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: he he is incredible. He oh, it's just the best. 559 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: He is so funny. And the whole book is about life. 560 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: Is not about getting green lights. It's about creating green 561 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: lights out of yellow and red lights and recognizing the 562 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: green lights and then recognized thing them yep. And for me, 563 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I was I was like 564 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: crying on the way home. I was like, I was 565 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: this close to getting my first probably little itty bitty 566 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: pub deal like development deal of like, oh this close, 567 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: and lit a fire into my mass And I said, 568 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: coach can't take me out of the game if I 569 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: keep scoring points. So I was like, I'm gonna post 570 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: everything I have. And on December one, I posted Villain, 571 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: went to bed, woke up and I was like and 572 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: that's thing. He's doing pretty well. This is great. Went 573 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: to the gym and my phone rang. It was Rikaya. 574 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: She said what are you doing? I was like, yo, 575 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm at the gym. What are you doing? And she's like, no, idiot, 576 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: have you looked at TikTok? I was like, I mean 577 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: not in a few hours. And we were approaching a 578 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: million in like twelve hours, which at that time nobody 579 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: had come close to that um And she quickly was like, hey, 580 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: let's do a deal that'll get you a record deal. 581 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Like what, what'll leverage you into a record deal? And 582 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: we did it and Villain ended up going viral three 583 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: more times in the next ten days. It collected somewhere 584 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: like sixteen million TikTok views in twelve days, and until 585 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: fancy like that was that was the craziest one yet, 586 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: and we released it and sat number one all genre 587 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: heading into Christmas and beating a Taylor Swift album. It's 588 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: not number one all genre for like twelve about a 589 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: fifteen days you I think the biggest Christmas song ever 590 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: it was. It was absolutely insane and it was just 591 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: crazy data that then turned into a gold record in 592 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: ten months with one week of radio charting. Um, so 593 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: super blessed and I got I got to meet a 594 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: lot of really cool people in the industry, but landed 595 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: at Big Loud Republic Records. Was. Um, didn't see that coming. 596 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: That was that's better than a publishing deal, and I'm 597 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: thankful for it. Power of social media, man, it is crazy. Yeah, 598 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: it's it's nuts. You know it's I I'm right there 599 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: with you on TikTok. Like I was just like, it's 600 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: literally the last thing I want is another social media platform. 601 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm not an artist, so I don't need it in 602 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: the same way. But you know, it's Um, I do 603 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: think that it is a really special tool that if 604 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: you're using it the right way, you can be taken 605 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: seriously as an artist. Um. You know, I think that 606 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that just want to be 607 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: famous from TikTok and not just share art, and that 608 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: is what is sort of skewing the perception of like 609 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: what a TikTok artist is, because you know, you can 610 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: be there's a TikTok artist, and there's an artist that 611 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: uses TikTok, And I think if you're an artist that 612 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: uses TikTok in the right way, it can be an 613 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: incredibly helpful tool. Um, I just you know, you just 614 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: have to figure out how to make it work for 615 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: you and keep your art authentic. And I think in 616 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: that way, there's millions and millions and millions of people 617 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: on it every day. There's a way to find an 618 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: audience there that's gonna dig what you I mean, you've seen, 619 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: you've seen as a manager, the waves that we've seen 620 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: of TikTok. Of uh, people are doing dances on it. Oh, 621 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: people are getting record deals. Wow, fancy like happened. Every 622 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: single record label is telling all of their artists you 623 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: have to get on there, and everyone's like, the hell 624 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: with TikTok. I'm not getting on TikTok and I fell 625 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: into dang. I don't want to. I don't want to 626 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: be known as a TikTok artist. Everyone is saying like, 627 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: kind of screw these TikTok kids, because now they're making 628 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: all the record labels make us get on there. And 629 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: now it's like Tim McGraw is on TikTok, Brad Paisley 630 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: is on TikTok, Everyone's on TikTok. Now it's as normal 631 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: as being on Instagram. It's not like, wow, did you 632 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: hear that Lady A started TikTok. It's like, no, everybody 633 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: is you have to be. I guess we're gonna have 634 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: to do it. We keep we keep boycotting do it. 635 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll get a record deal. I'm just kidding. Yeah. 636 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: Uh So this month we have a theme every month 637 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and May is just really about kind 638 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: of being in bloom, Like you know, you've come out 639 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: of these winter months and you're really just coming into 640 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: your own maybe you're hibernating and like learning about yourself. 641 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: And so what did you learn in this season? And 642 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: then how are you taking that into your new awakening 643 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: of um this next season? And so when I think 644 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: about your TikTok experience, it's like, Okay, you really hit 645 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: really fast. So what is next? Like what what do 646 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: you feel like you learn from that experience and that 647 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: you're taking with you now into this career. Yeah? Wow, 648 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: what an awesome and timely question, UM, because I don't 649 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: know if I'd have something great to say unless it 650 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: was this time period of my life. But we are 651 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: about to start putting out new music and a great 652 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: chapter two of you know, the Lily Rose saga I 653 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: guess you could say, UM is about to start. I'm 654 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: leaving this podcast to go and meet with the entire 655 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: Big Loud team to just really map out the rest 656 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: of the year when it comes to releasing music, and 657 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: that feels awesome. It's like, you know, through all of 658 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: the bs, through all the touring, through fandom, even just 659 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: writing songs, it's like it all comes back to the music, 660 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: and it feels so good when you get to start 661 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: putting out new music again, because it's the only reason 662 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: why we do it. So I'm very excited for that. 663 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: UM finally get to start leaking new music, which is great, 664 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 1: you know, speaking of TikTok. Very excited for that. I'm home. 665 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: I've been home like two weekends since November ten. That's 666 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: how crazy and go go go it's been. And uh, 667 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: I have five weekends at home heading into c m 668 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: A Fest, which is blessing. Yeah, feeling feeling very like 669 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm in a cocoon right now and we're going to 670 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: explode into the summer of touring in new music. So blue. 671 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: I love it. Lily Rose, two flowers were blooming. Oh 672 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: my god, look at that. We're here. We're really blooming. Um, well, 673 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: you're also forgetting to mention that you're getting married. Yeah, yeah, 674 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: to tell us about that. I love So Lily is 675 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: engaged to a beautiful girl named Dara is runs with Sarah. 676 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: This is how I have to remind myself how to 677 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: say it. I want to call her Dara every time. 678 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: But she's lovely. And you guys have been engaged for 679 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: how long now? Okay, I think it's been seven or 680 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: eight months. Seven or eight months. We're doing a long 681 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: engagement because life is crazy right now. Thankful for it. 682 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, we are getting married March of next year. Okay, 683 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: so we're very, very excited. We're in the sick of 684 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: the wedding planning right now. I think maybe my brain 685 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: is just like blacking that out. Yeah, budding planning, man, 686 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: it is. It is everything that everyone said it is. 687 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: But we're doing you like, I mean, is there anything 688 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: about it you like? Or is it just completely overwhelming? 689 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm an Excel spreadsheet theme I love I love that stuff, 690 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: very organized, but I'm excited to make the deceeding chart. 691 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: That is the manager, right yeah, this is the control 692 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: in me. Yes, yeah, so no, it's it's been awesome. 693 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: We're loving this fiance period right now. It's great. You 694 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: guys are so cute. I love following on Instagram and 695 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: just a little cute post. Um. Well, you also recently 696 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: just went to the GLAD Awards and you were named 697 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: the Outstanding Breakthrough Music Artists. Tell us about that experience, Man, 698 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: that was That's just crazy to me. Um, It's really cool. 699 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: Were the first country artist to ever win that award 700 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: or any GLAD lgbt Q member award. Guards and Casey 701 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: have been given Ally Awards, which are just as important 702 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: in my opinion, But it was really cool to be 703 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 1: the first artist to get to walk away with something 704 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: and the country music format. We have hoped to win 705 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: a c m S and Grammys and Billboards and all 706 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,919 Speaker 1: of that because that means thing. I worked so hard, 707 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: my team worked hard. We walked away with the wind. 708 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: But this GLAD Award, it feels like it was a 709 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: really big win for country music and the format of 710 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: show you not only two parts of like showing people 711 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: that Nashville is embracing Nashville and the music industry and 712 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: music row is, but also another part of day. We 713 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 1: still have a long way to go, and I hope 714 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: that this is another step forward to breaking that format 715 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: wide open and just love. Yeah. But it was cool. 716 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: I mean I got to meet a bunch of the housewives, 717 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: which it was great. Now. I spent the most time 718 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: with Meredith from Salt Lake and it was Oh it 719 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: was in brooks her Son and yeah, yeah, there were 720 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: plenty of housewives there. Uh. Met Cody Rigsby from God 721 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: I love him. I can't say that meeting him and 722 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: then him following me on Instagram. I can, just I can. 723 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: You're good now. Yeah, it was awesome because we just 724 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: got a peloton in the house too, so it was 725 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: it was timely. It was nice, but incredible experience. Um, 726 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: so thankful for my whole team and my PR team 727 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: setting all that up. And shout out to Anthony and Glad. 728 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: He is an angel among angels, so he's great, amazing. Well, Lily, 729 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. We just love 730 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: you and I love hearing your story. Um we I 731 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: guess don't know when new music will be out, So 732 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: do the people just follow you somewhere. Yep, just follow 733 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: me Lily Rose Music on every platform, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, 734 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: you name it. But yeah, I keep your eye field. 735 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: We're coming out with announcements a couple of couple of 736 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 1: weeks on TikTok. Maybe yep, yep, I'm not one. I've 737 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: got one random question before we before we go, i 738 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,959 Speaker 1: can't wait. Well now this and this is a pop 739 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: culture sort of thing. Have you noticed, um and you're 740 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: you have? Your Google's been a little fucked up recently 741 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: because of Johnny Depp's daughter, Lily Rose called the press 742 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: that I can only imagine. I do not have my 743 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: own Google alerts on, but my future mother in law 744 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: and my mom and dad and everybody does. That's on 745 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: them if they're getting all of that. But I keep 746 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: joking with my label and like, man, we need a 747 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: country number one, so when people google Lily Rose, it's 748 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: not Johnny Depp's daughter anymore, like you but any any time, 749 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: y'all have no idea how many times I have done 750 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: like press things and people ask me about my dad 751 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp are youting me. I'm like, you know me, 752 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm probably not one to take offense to anything, but 753 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, day, you could have just done like a 754 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: little bit of research to know that we are not 755 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: the same person. I mean, that is literally the basic 756 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: research the basic research. So depending on how big the 757 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: outlet is, Uh, sometimes I play into it a little bit. 758 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah you know, I know, yeah, I 759 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: gotta find a video that some girl she realized she 760 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: lives like fifteen minutes from the courthouse, and she went 761 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: down there and it's crazy down there next to the 762 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: courthouse right now, and people running up to Johnny's car 763 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: and he'll take any gifts you give him. And she 764 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: was like, I cannot believe. And it's people just bombarding 765 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: the car, like throwing boxes of ship and I'm like, 766 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: this whole thing is such a I cannot believe we're 767 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: able to watch this child. It's so messed up to me. 768 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: I still dig a little bit more into it because 769 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,280 Speaker 1: I've only been seeing the memes and the short videos, 770 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 1: and like, I need to just sit down this weekend 771 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: and be like, I'm gonna dedicate to three hours three hours. 772 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna get sucked in and it's gonna end up 773 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: being your whole weekend. It's really kind of dark though, 774 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: like I can only watch in doses because it's really 775 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: sad to me overall. But yeah, sending them loving light, 776 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: so I love ending on that. That's there you go. 777 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: I had to I had to lighten it up a 778 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: little bit. All right, Well, you guys go check out 779 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: Lily at Lily Rose Music and you can always go 780 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: listen to. Villain is my favorite. Tell us some of 781 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: the other names of the top songs. Yeah, I don't smoke. Um, 782 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: it was just on Hot A Radio for a while. 783 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: And Stronger Than I Am is the title track to 784 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: the entire project that we dropped in October. So amazing. 785 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: Find it all there, awesome. It's on Spotify and anywhere 786 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: you guys listen to music. Thank you again for being here. 787 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: This is so fun to talk to you. Thank you 788 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: guys for having me all in the bed.