1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, August twenty seventh. The Cardinals and the Pirates 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: are halfway through their four game series at Bus Stadium. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: They have both split one win, one loss so far. 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm Katie. It's Bernie Michless. Welcome back to Cardinals territory. 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Bernie. How are you. 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: It's been a strange, eventful, chaotic week so far and 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: it's only Wednesday. 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Cardinals. Sometimes the play on the field can 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: be dull, but you know, sometimes things get a little nuts. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 3: So we've gotten a little bit of both this week. 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 3: But I know the Concherish thing, Wilson Concairast thing, has 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 3: been the newsiest event that happened this week. 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Certainly Newsy for those of you who missed it. I'm 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: not sure how. Wilson Cantererras was suspended six games with 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: an underclosed fine Major League Baseball announced Tuesday for his 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: actions in a heated altercation with homeplate umpire Derek Thomas 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: in Monday's seven to six walk off win for the Cardinals. 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: To recap it, Wilson Contreras took strike three, called strike three, 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: and the bottom of the seventh said said something as 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: he was walking away. Derek Thomas thought he heard one 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: thing contrarass that he said. The other chaos ensued, mayhem everywhere. 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: Ollie Marble, Daniel Discasso have to hold Contreras back. Contreras 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: loses it on Derek Thomas makes contact with him, whether 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: that's intentional or not. As he's been ushered back to 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: the dugout, he throws his bat back towards the field 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: of play, actually ends up hitting coach Bran Brown in 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: the arm, and then of course we all saw the 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: bucket of high choose being launched from the dugout. It 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: was an ugly scene. And this all stems from the 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: ejection in which Contreras said, I wasn't arguing that it 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: was a strike three. 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: It was a good pitch. It was strike three. He 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: just said. 34 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: All I said was call it both ways, because you're 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: not calling it for both teams right now. Derek Thomas 36 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: thought he heard something completely different, talked to crew chief 37 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Jordan Baker after that and basically said both Contreras and 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: Ollie Marble were ejected for vulgar language towards an umpire 39 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: at the mansion, which, again the MLB announced Tuesday, absolutely 40 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: has everything to do with Contreras making contact with the 41 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: umpire and then throwing the bat. 42 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: You just can't do that. 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: So he will appeal that suspension of the Cardinals will 44 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: be permitted to play him during that appeal process. 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 2: But I didn't love it. 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a great scene for Contreras 47 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: or the Cardinals on Monday Night. 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: No same here, Listen. I really like Wilson Contreras a lot. 49 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: I also understand why the one of the reasons why 50 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: the Cardinals signed him. I talked to Ali Marvel about 51 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: this the other day. You know, they obviously wanted his bat. 52 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: In fact, since he's been a Cardinal, Katie, this is 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: his third season. As you know, he he basically is 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: a top ten hitter among right handed hitters in the 55 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: major leagues that have enough at bats to qualify. I mean, 56 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: he's a top ten right handed hitter in the entire 57 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: entire majors. They wanted his bat, like the Oli Marmel explained. 58 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: You know, we also, he said, we thought that our club, 59 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: after twenty twenty two, you know, some hour pools leaving Molina, leaving, 60 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: you know, retiring, that they needed some edge in their clubhouse. 61 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: They wanted some intensity. They wanted someone that basically has 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: the Wilson contrast personality. That's one of the things that 63 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: appealed to them, and Ali Marma loves the guy. But 64 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: I go back to that because I remember why they 65 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: signed him. I mean, they didn't sign him to because 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 3: he was a great defensive catcher. He's a hard nosed guy, 67 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: and he is a terrific hitter. But he's also volatile 68 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: in his emotions boil over sometimes and there's always a 69 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: risk of something like this happening. But it was his 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: ninth dejection in his career. There's only two active Major 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: leaguers who have more, Bryce Harper and Manny Machado. And 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: so when you sign cherists, this is what you get. 73 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: I love his intense city, I love his hard edge. 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: I love that, to use the James Brown song title, 75 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: I I I love the fact that Papa don't take 76 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: no mess. But he went too far the other night 77 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: he went He just went too far. I mean that 78 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: that was just bad, bad form. And the worst part 79 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: of it was, uh, you know, flinging the bat and 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: striking brand Brown. I mean he was very lucky nobody 81 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: got hurt. Look, look, we've seen we we've all seen play. 82 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: You know, players who are angry, cursed umpires, rush umpires, 83 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: make body contact with umpires. We that's happened a million times. 84 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: That in itself is no big deal. It's a little unpleasant, 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: but it's no big deal. But when you're when you're 86 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: flinging a bat and you're doing it irresponsibly and recklessly 87 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: and it's tricks one of your teammates, a coach, that's 88 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: where I have to say, as a contraras fan, that's 89 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: where I have to say, Okay, throw the penalty flag. 90 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: I'm using football now, throw the unsportsmanlike condo flag because 91 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: that was a bit too much. 92 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: I agree, And it obviously wasn't intentional when he threw 93 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: the he shouldn't have done it. Okay, I'll preface with that. 94 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: But he inadvertently hits Brent Brown, he said, he apologized. 95 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: I get it shouldn't have happened, and that's why I 96 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: think the suspension is so lengthy non ped suspensions, this 97 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: is the second longest suspension for a player this season. 98 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: The first Cardinals player to be suspended this season. The 99 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: only longer non ped suspension was Victor Robust, who got 100 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: ten games for deliberately throwing a bat at a picture 101 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: in a minor league game and. 102 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: Then charging the mound. 103 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: So I understood why this suspension was the length that 104 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: it was. I will say the way that it was 105 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: handled post game. I'll go back to what you said 106 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: about Ali Marmal, because I think you're right. Wilson Contreras 107 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: is a very passionate, fiery competitor. He brings a competitive 108 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: edge to this Cardinals club that was missing, and I 109 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: think he is again very passionate about Cardinals fans this organization. 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes that does boil over to a point where it shouldn't. 111 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: Like on Monday. 112 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: But to see him come in the clubhouse and the 113 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: first thing that he did was shout Ali's name and 114 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: go find him. He wanted to talk to his manager 115 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: and sit in the clubhouse and calm down before he 116 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: talked to us. That shows a lot of trust. It 117 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: was the right thing to do, because when Contreras's was ready, 118 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: he went to his locker, he sat down, and he 119 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: waited for us to come up to him, and he 120 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: answered every question honestly, calmly. Reflect on things that he said, 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: reflect on things that he did and shouldn't have done, 122 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: and it could have been a lot uglier in that case, 123 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: because when players are running hot and your emotions are high, 124 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: you just got suspended, you know you're gonna be up 125 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: in the news. It's natural to just kind of short 126 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: circuit a little bit. But the fact that he sought 127 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: out his manager took some time to calm down and 128 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: then was a pro at least in that moment asking 129 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: the questions. And then of course on Tuesday, Derek Thomas 130 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: is the first base umpire because of course he is conturist, 131 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: goes up to shakes his hand and says, you know. 132 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: Hey, it's a new day. 133 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: Like I think we can put it behind us, the 134 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: actual actions on Monday, but the suspension for six games, 135 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: that's going to be a big blow for a team 136 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: that needs controrists, that needs him offensively. I'm not sure 137 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: when he when that appeal appeal process will go through 138 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: or not if the Cardinals are lucky September first, because 139 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: rosters expand that day so they don't have to technically 140 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: play a man short. But yeah, all around, I did 141 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: not love what happened Monday. I thought it was handled 142 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: very well post game by Allie Marlon and Wilson Contraras 143 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: in terms of what they said to us and the 144 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: communication there. But I'm with MLB here. I think six 145 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: games solely for throwing the bat, whether he meant it 146 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: or not, it did make contact with the coach. 147 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: That's scary. That can't happen. So I think this is 148 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: a fair sussension. 149 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: I'll say this too, you know, because someone up. In fact, 150 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: I'm surprised doing cardinal terry. To excuse me, I'll learn 151 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: how to speak. That'll help doing cardinal territory with you. 152 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: I'm surprised I haven't said anything like a really nasty word, 153 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: because when I'm just sort of talking and having fun 154 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: and you know, yucking it up, I let the words fly. 155 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: You know, it's a bad habit of mine, one of many. 156 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: But I have to say, you know, based on the 157 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh audio they were able to pick up at their 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: game broadcasts the stuff that he out towards Derek Thomas. 159 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: Once again, it's it's bad language, it's awful language. But 160 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: this is nothing new. This this happens all the time. 161 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 3: I mean, players let those words fly all the time. 162 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming Derek Thomas at all for doing 163 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: what he felt he had to do because a lot 164 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: of times it's it's not the word, it's the way 165 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: you say the word, or it's the way you use 166 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: the term. So yeah, I mean, but Contreras, as you know, 167 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: is like sticking to his story. He didn't feel like 168 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 3: he said anything inappropriate or out of bounds. So I 169 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: don't know. I do know this. And this is another 170 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: thing Ali Marble was talking about. Let's both let's both 171 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: of us go back to twenty twenty three. His teammates, 172 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: A couple of a few of his teammates did him dirty. 173 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't a Cardinal very long, and he 174 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: was in spring training working hard with the pictures, other 175 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: pictures left to go to the World Baseball Classic, and 176 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: you know, the rotation, as you know, got off to 177 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: a terrible start that year. And all of a sudden, 178 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: they're throwing Contraras under the bus and then and then 179 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: putting it in reverse and running over him again. I thought, 180 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: I thought they did him dirty. And and and the 181 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: one the thing that I'll always admire him, even with 182 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: him making this mistake, I'll always admire him. And frankly, 183 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: I don't understand why there's a segment of Cardinals fans 184 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: who they don't seem like they like him at all. 185 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen it, like when you write about 186 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: him stuff under the in the comment sector. I don't 187 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: get it. But anyway, he handled that with amazing grace 188 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: that after they did him wrong, he was humble, He 189 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: was quiet, He was you know, cooperative. He just talking about, oh, 190 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: I can't wait to work with these guys. I'm here, 191 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: you know. And the thing about you know, Olly said, 192 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 3: and this is true, i Olly's never lied to me 193 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 3: about anything, but he said the thing about Wilson. You 194 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: see the stuff on the field, you see him burning 195 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 3: with passion, but in the clubhouse he's like the most humble, 196 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: quiet guy. You know. He doesn't bother anybody. Anybody can 197 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: approach him. He loves to talk to his teammates. So 198 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 3: I just chalk it up as a bad episode, and 199 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: my respect for Wilson Cantreras didn't change at all, because 200 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: if that's the worst thing he ever does in his career, 201 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: you'd rather not see it happen. But it's just not 202 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: a big deal, except for, as you pointed out, he's 203 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: not going to be able to swing the bat for 204 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: six games or play first base for six games. So 205 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: and I thought that you know, maybe you know who knows, 206 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: maybe he did this privately. Maybe he'll he'll convey to 207 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: his teammates that he apologizes for his actions that left 208 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: them shorthanded for this amount of games he's going to miss. 209 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're spot on there, Bernie. 210 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: Look, I think Contreras has been a good Cardinal in 211 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: his tenure. He's had to deal with a lot of 212 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: things that were not fair, especially in twenty three. As 213 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: you correctly pointed out, he's warned the criticism, he has 214 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: warned being thrown under the bus by his teammates. 215 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: He had a bad day. 216 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: That's all right, we uh I think again, his his 217 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: standing within the Cardinals organization remains unchanged. 218 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: It was an. 219 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: Unpleasant night, but we move forward, and you know, maybe 220 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: that appeal a couple of games dropped. 221 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: Maybe it doesn't. 222 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: But uh, I think if there's one thing we can 223 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: take away from that whole episode Monday, Ollie Marmon and 224 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: Daniel Descalzo drop the arm routines. Those guys are strong 225 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: holding Wilson. 226 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: Contrera's back like that. 227 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: I was, I was like, you know what, we're not 228 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: talking about this enough. That might have been the most 229 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: athletic thing the Cardinals have done this series so far. 230 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: Is the strength of those two coaches. 231 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't want to mess with the scalzough 232 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: when I was covering him is when he was a player, 233 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: There's there's you talk about intensity, there he just kind 234 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: of there. It's quiet and he doesn't use his voice 235 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: very much, at least he didn't as a player. But 236 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: you would just see you would see certain expressions on 237 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: his face. You'd be you'd be like, WHOA what wow, Okay, yeah, 238 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: I'll go over here. Now. You know, he's it's hard 239 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: to explain. It's he's got an imposing presence about him. 240 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: And it's one of the reasons Tony LaRussa loved him 241 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 3: so much because Tony thought he was like a kick 242 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 3: ass type of competitor. You know, you know, he's not 243 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: going to put up with anything. So I love seeing 244 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: that the other night, and I think Oli's actually underrated 245 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: in that record. I think Ali's actually pretty tough guy. 246 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: And I take my. 247 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: Strength to hold back angry Wilson Conturius. I'll say this 248 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: real quickly before our next segment. There's a pilate studio 249 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: local in my neighborhood and one day, I walked in 250 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: and descalso was there in the class, and I was like, awesome, 251 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: he kicked my ass. So he full on kicked my ass, 252 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. 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Can 294 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: I take that? 295 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: Like, Hey, here's the copy you have to get in 296 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: under a minute. 297 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, it's great. Great job as 298 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: one who knows one who knows great job. Anyway, thank 299 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: you so much, Edie. 300 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: I won't tell you how many times that took. How 301 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: many takes one and that's what matters, all right. Speaking 302 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: of usable, I'm not sure if that is the word 303 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: I would use to describe Andre Polante at the moment. 304 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: It was another tough scene for Polante, who has just 305 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: really had a poor second half. I mean, uh, it 306 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: was five to nothing in the first inning yesterday before 307 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: the Cardinals could record an out. Uh, let's go ahead 308 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: and look up Andre Polante's stats, uh spun the second half, 309 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: because I think they are pretty enlightening in terms of 310 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are looking at. And Bernie, you and 311 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: I know, because we've talked about this before pretty much 312 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: all season long, there is not a lot of depth 313 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: in this Cardinals organization from a starting pitching perspective, so 314 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: that is also going to be a factor as we 315 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: look at Andre Polante's usage. So in the second half, 316 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: Plante is one in seven with a seven to nine 317 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: to one ERA over eight games. He's logged just thirty 318 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: eight and two thirds innings, is given up fifty two hits, 319 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: thirty four earned runs and has struck out with just 320 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: thirty one batters. It really has not been good and 321 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: I thought yesterday was probably the worst start yet of 322 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: the second half for him because this game fell over 323 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: basically when it started. And we've talked a lot about 324 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: the things that Andre Polante is trying to do. Whether 325 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: it's create more spin. Last year was finding an out 326 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: pitch to the righties. This year, it's trying to incorporate 327 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: the curve ballumes the pitch mix so he's less predictable. 328 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: He's been able to utilize some soft contact and maybe 329 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: that inflated the box score a little bit in the 330 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: first half, but there really hasn't been a lot of 331 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: soft contact in the second half. These hits are getting 332 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: hit like they're true hits. There are no flukes here. 333 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: And it was interesting talking to Ali Marmal after the 334 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: game Wednesday Wednesday, after the game Tuesday, because he essentially 335 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: said that it is a tough situation, but they need 336 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: to figure out what's best for Polante going forward, and 337 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: to be honest, Bernie, I'm not sure what's best for 338 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: Polante if it's to keep him in the rotation and 339 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: because if he's going to be successful These are the 340 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: types of hitters he needs to retire. These are the 341 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: types of hitters he needs to figure out how to 342 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: pitch against. He needs to learn how to pitch at 343 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: the major leagues. But is it going to be at 344 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: the detriment of his mental state? What would him going 345 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: down to Triple A to finish the season and just 346 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: work on his arsenal, work on the mechanics. 347 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: Would that be better for him? 348 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: I can argue both sides, and that's without even bringing 349 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: up the point that the Cardinals don't really have a 350 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: viable starter in Triple AH to sum in for Polante, 351 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of a mess. 352 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: Well, they can all bring Eric Fetti back, I guess 353 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: I okay. 354 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: There was a moment from the post game where Jeff 355 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: Jones and the Belvy News Democrat asked Ali a question 356 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: about what we just talked about in a non challenging way, 357 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: just genuine he likes to do this, genuinely, ask like 358 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: what would you do? And there was a thought like, 359 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I bet he's a free agent, and I just wondered 360 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: if that was if that was set at the press conference, 361 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: what would have been the reaction. 362 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: Listen, I Polonte is a grinder, and you know he's putting, 363 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: he's put he's putting his heart in every pitch. Yeah, 364 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: I respect that this is nothing personal, but you know, 365 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: this is a performance based industry. You know, he's a pro. 366 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: You know, you're either good enough or you're not. And 367 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 3: he's not good enough. And I don't know what needs 368 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: to happen for him to get there. Although you know, 369 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 3: last year he made twenty starts and his ERA was 370 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: under four, and I thought he did a really good job. 371 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: But I'm sure hitters adjusted to him, and he didn't 372 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: have great command in spring training as Villo was down, 373 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: so he seemed to be he sort of got off 374 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 3: to a bad start even for the season. But I 375 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: don't think this sounds really harsh. I don't mean it 376 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: to be harsh. I'm just being straight up about it. 377 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: If he's in the Cardinals rotation next year, the Cardinals 378 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: are gonna you might as well just go ahead and 379 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 3: say they're probably gonna lose, you know, the ninety games 380 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: or something. I mean, they just need to upgrade this rotation, 381 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 3: and frankly, he's one of the pieces that has to 382 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: be moved out of the way to upgrade it. But 383 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: I also I also think that if given a choice, 384 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: I would say, send him down and maybe he can 385 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 3: uncover something and maybe Matt Pierpont can look look at 386 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 3: him and recommend some things. I don't know, but it's 387 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: the dude has to be, you know, virtually flawless for 388 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: his style of pitching to work. Well, you know, there's 389 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 3: just not enough swing and miss, not enough strikeout punch, 390 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: and he is a captive to batted ball luck. But 391 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 3: on the other hand, you know, I don't want to 392 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: just every time he has a bad start just say, oh, 393 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: he's unlucky. He's style of pitcher that he is. And 394 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: if he can't alter that style, if he's physically incapable 395 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: of doing it, I don't know what kind of future 396 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: he has. And you know, the car rdals this year, 397 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: including Fetti, you know, they had three starting pitchers in 398 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: their rotation with twenty or more starts whose eras were 399 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: over five. And you know, Michaels and Polante still here. 400 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: And that applies. And I'm just doing some research this morning, 401 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: and I'll just leave it at this because I'm going 402 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 3: to write a column after we're done. You got to 403 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: go back a very long way to find the Cardinal's rotation, 404 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 3: it's got three full time starters with the era's over five. 405 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a historically bad rotation and that's got 406 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: to change. Where he fits I don't know. But if 407 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: he's back and he doesn't pitch any better than this, 408 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 3: then the Cardinals are screwed again. They're just not going 409 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: to have enough pitching. 410 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: Are we prepared to have the conversation that Andre Polante 411 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: might have to be an option for the Cardinals rotation 412 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, because I think that is a 413 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: very possible scenario when you look at where this organization 414 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: stands with their pitching. 415 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 2: I mean, Michael's is going to be free agent. Who knows. 416 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: If Sunny Gray is coming, then you have virtually nobody 417 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: coming up in Triple A and maybe Quinn Matthews if 418 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: he's ready. But let's take one sidebar Heim Bloom historically, 419 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: when even this is coming back, even with the Rays, 420 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: has stressed the need to almost like keep pictures in 421 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: the minor leagues longer than they need to to really 422 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: ensure that they are fully ready to develop. And one 423 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: of the biggest criticisms of this Cardinal's organization over the 424 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: last couple of years has been their need to rush 425 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: pitching prospects up and not focus on their development for 426 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: the sake of need to win games. So I don't 427 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: think heim Bloom, based on that and what he has 428 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: done in the history of the two other organizations that 429 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: he's worked in, will be rushing pictures up. So if 430 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: Quinn Matthews isn't ready or take your pick in Triple A, 431 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: we can't slot them in Liam Doyle whoever, as like 432 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: surefire picks because the Cardinals don't plan on being competitive 433 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: next year and they are not going to rush these 434 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: very critical arms up for the sake of need. So 435 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: we are looking at a reality next year where, based 436 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: on how the off season goes, this organization might need 437 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: Andre Polante to be a And that's where I feel, 438 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: even though I know every fifth day it does not 439 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: look good. And you cannot as a major league team 440 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: be trailing five to nothing in the first inning before 441 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: recording and out. You cannot be consistently down six to 442 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: seven runs by the third inning each time this one 443 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: starter takes them mount I get that, and this is 444 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: no knock on Polante, who is grinding his ass off 445 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what to do okay. But with 446 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: that in mind, with keeping that the Cardinals might need 447 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: Polante in the rotation next year because they don't have 448 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 1: very many options, the best thing to do is keep 449 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: him in the rotation this year. Look, the Cardinals are 450 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: almost twenty games out of the division. They're not winning, 451 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: they're not playing for the postseason. As hard as it is, 452 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: until it starts like mentally affecting him to the point 453 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: where maybe we saw it with Brian Fernandez in April. 454 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: You throw him out there every five days because they 455 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: have to figure out this season even when it looks 456 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: really bad. I mean yesterday was just it was really bad. 457 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. 458 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: Here's what Only Marmals said postgame, and I thought it 459 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: was pretty enlightening as to how the organization is looking 460 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: at it all. He said, to keep it simple. The 461 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: league has made an adjustment. So when you look at 462 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 1: what's going to give Polante success in order to get 463 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: back to where we want him, he's going to have 464 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: to spin it a lot more, and that means he's 465 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: going to have to be consistent with his spin. Then 466 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: he goes over and talks about the adjustments that need 467 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: to be made, and he said Polante has to be 468 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: mentally tough enough to endure some of the crap that 469 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: goes of learning on the fly. Tuesday night, that's a 470 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: pretty good example of what you're learning on the fly, 471 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: Allie said, it's not easy. I agree, it hasn't looked good. 472 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and tell you that 473 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: it hasn't. And we have to figure out what's next. 474 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: And then he went on to go and talk about 475 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: what is best for Polante in the future to finish 476 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: the season, the variables coming up in Triple A or 477 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: lack thereof, though he didn't say it, I did these 478 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: all go into play here. I know fans are tired 479 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: of hearing about it. I think Cardinals fans do understand 480 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: or hopefully at this point considering how long we've talked 481 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: about it, that the depth is a continuous problem. But 482 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: if I'm sitting here and I'm the same Louis Cardinals, 483 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm running Polante out there for another start and trying 484 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: to give him one more shot to figure this out. 485 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: Talking to Polante yesterday rightfully really frustrated, seem pretty down 486 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: on himself. If that continues to be the case and 487 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: this is hurting him mentally more than it is helping 488 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: him physically, then we have a different conversation. But if 489 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying Louis, I'm giving him one more shot against 490 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: the Reds to try to figure this out, and then 491 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: when rosters expand in September, may be a different conversation. 492 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, I don't know who they would bring up. 493 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: You pointed that out. I know they have a couple 494 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: of you know, they signed a couple of rotation fillers 495 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: just to pitch in Memphis this year. Would they want 496 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: to bring one of those guys up? Do they need 497 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: to be added to the forty man roster. I don't 498 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: have the answers to those questions, but basically they would 499 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: be placeholders. Right, So I'm gonna touch on something you 500 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: said because I agree with you, or at least I'm 501 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: leaning really hard this way. Listen, it's so late in 502 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 3: the season. You know, the Cardinals have the worst record 503 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 3: and tied for the worst record in the National League 504 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 3: since June thirtieth, tied for twenty ninth. Overall, They're not 505 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 3: going anywhere. It's a lost cause. I respect the players 506 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: in the managing the coaches. They want to win. I 507 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 3: get it, but just let them pitch. You're shorthanded, and 508 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: that's the organization's fault for not having enough pitching depth. 509 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: You're shorthanded. Let him pitch. I think he would want 510 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: to stay in the major league rotation and try to 511 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: fight through it, try to work through it. I mean 512 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: that that actually would be a gesture of respect shown 513 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 3: to him. Let him pitch. What difference does it make 514 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: at this point? I will say this, and I put 515 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: this on X a little while ago. It's kind of 516 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: it's kind of weird. If you look at Fetti, Michael 517 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: Listen Polonte this year games they started the Cardinals twenty 518 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: six and forty five. That's a three sixty six winning percentage. 519 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: In all other games they're thirty nine and twenty three. 520 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 3: That's a six twenty nine winning percentage. I mean, I'm 521 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: not saying it's all their fault, but it just shows you. Look, 522 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 3: I think even good teams can have one bad starting pitcher, right, 523 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 3: but three you're you're in a lot of trouble. You're 524 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: a lot you're you're you are in deep you know what? Right? 525 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: So here here they are right yep. 526 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: And it's it's tough, Bernie, it's tough there. 527 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: I think fans. 528 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: Frustration with the and I get it, I think it's justified. 529 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: Is if you continue trotting Plante out there every fifth day, 530 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: then it's just like, okay, well we're not going to 531 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: like just do the same thing over and over again. 532 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: That's literally the definition of insanity. This is bigger than this, though, 533 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Like what the Cardinals are trying to do for their 534 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: entire organization is bigger than winning a handful of games 535 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: in the second half based on what starting pitcher is 536 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: on the mouth. I'm with you, You're only as good 537 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: as a major league team as you're starting pitching. The 538 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: Cardinal starting pitching has Fate taking a dramatic fall off 539 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: a clip, and the record has followed suit. But for 540 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: the fans that are here saying, well, they're gonna throw 541 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: Polante up, we're tired of this. There has to be 542 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: a better option. 543 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: And I get it, I do I get it, I 544 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: get it. 545 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: But this is not about Polante's taking the start every 546 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: five days. This is about the long term sustainability of 547 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: the organization. And this is what teams that are rebuilding do. 548 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: And it's not fun for anybody, and for this fan base, 549 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: we haven't had to see a rebuild and like what 550 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: fifty years, so it's frustrating. Of course it's going to 551 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: look different, and it's maddening if you're a fan. 552 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: We won't even get into attendance this episode, but. 553 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: That ballpark is empty, and rightfully so, because fans aren't 554 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: happy about the product they're seeing. You're going to continue 555 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: seeing the product that you don't like right now in 556 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: the hopes that it will be better in the future. 557 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: I think Polante is the perfect microcous an example for that, 558 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: and I. 559 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: Think people have to adjust their expectations because they're not 560 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: going to go out and be aggressive about signing free agents. 561 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 3: And in fact, I think one of the heine Bloom's 562 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 3: qualities is he can recognize value signings. You Robster Folio, 563 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: all those guys are really smart. They can spot a 564 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: trait in someone or a pitch that someone needs to throw, 565 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: and if you give them a better arsenal, you can 566 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 3: turn them around. They are big time into that kind 567 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: of stuff. So they're going to have to go out 568 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 3: because you're so right if they don't want to rush 569 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: any of their young starters up here. And I actually 570 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: think it would be smart not to do that. You know, 571 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: they're going to have to go out and sign a 572 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: couple of free agents, and I'm talking about the bargain 573 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: the bargain aisle of the store, and hope that they 574 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 3: can do something with the guy to turn them around. 575 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: But they're gonna have to They're really gonna have to 576 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 3: do that. They're gonna have to make a couple of 577 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 3: depth signings and we'll see what happens. But no, they're 578 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: this is not gonna be easy. But I also think 579 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 3: it's gonna it's actually the right time for a rebuild 580 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 3: to do it right, because you won't be taking these 581 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 3: half measure steps, these these ridiculous signings where it doesn't 582 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 3: make you any better but you're wasting money on them. 583 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: If you're gonna rebuild, do it right and you'll come 584 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 3: out much better for it. So the fans are down 585 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: on the Cardinals are staying away. That's their right, that's 586 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 3: their privilege. If you're not happy, then you you know, 587 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: you spend your money and invest your time the way 588 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 3: you want. But this is also a good time to 589 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: do a rebuild because your fans are mad at you anyway, 590 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: And and once they see some progress on the rebuild 591 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 3: front and there and I think progress will happen. In fact, 592 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: the Cardon's farm system is shooting up in the ratings 593 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: all of a sudden because a lot of these of 594 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 3: these independent evaluators have so much respect for the work 595 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: Bloom and Sorfolio have done already. So you we're already 596 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: seeing some progress. The fans will come back when you 597 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: give them a reason to come back. And I don't 598 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 3: think that they They're gonna hate the rebuild at first. 599 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: They're gonna hate it. I get it. But when you 600 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: see some of these guys graduate and you see, well 601 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 3: wait a minute, they did have they do have a plan, 602 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: and we are seeing some of the results. Cardinals fans 603 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 3: have always come back. They went through attendance laws before. 604 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 3: This is nothing new. It happened in the seventies, it 605 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: happened in the early nineties. They always come back. But 606 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: the Cardinals have to entice them back. But you got 607 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 3: to accept the fact they're rebuilding, and they need to 608 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: because to not rebuild would be a betrayal actually of 609 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: everything good the Cardinals have stayed for. Where you're just 610 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: gonna allow something to stay mired and mediocrity. That would 611 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: be a terrible thing to do. Give me rebuild every 612 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: single day of the week. 613 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: If I have to make a choice, and it doesn't 614 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: have to be like we talked about, Bernie. It doesn't 615 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: have to be a complete teardown, nor should it be. 616 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: It's not going to be, but it is going to 617 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 1: be a multi year look at how to make this 618 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: organization not just contending again, but a pioneering organization again. 619 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: And when you listen to him, Bloomspeaker, I know he 620 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: hasn't really done much this year. The Cardinals have always 621 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: been a one voice organization and preferred to be that way, 622 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: So as long as Moe is here, I think that 623 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: will continue being the case. 624 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: But when you have a chance to talk to him, I. 625 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: Think fans will quickly pick up on the appreciation he 626 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: has for baseball history and he knows that the Saint 627 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals. This stucks out to me, even now, ten 628 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: months after he said it. 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Get after it. 666 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: All right, as we get ready for Wednesday's matchup, Sonny 667 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: Gray on the mound just got a message from the 668 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals communications team that John King was placed on the 669 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: injury list retroactive to August twenty sixth yesterday with a 670 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 1: mid backstrain. So Andre Gnnillo has been recalled from Memphis, 671 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: which means the Cardinals are back to having one count 672 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: it one a lefty reliever yay, and Jojo Romero has 673 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: not been a very easy second half for King his 674 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 1: second ile stint of the season. Cardinals lineup is ol 675 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: contrarast is in it, so that appeal process is still 676 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: going through. If we're looking for a silver lining, sunny 677 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: Gray on the mound today and Cardinals usually tend to 678 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: win those games, so hopefully they can do that. 679 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: Bernie, Fine, well, and it's not hot outside. 680 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: It's nice and cool forny, So go ahead and book that. 681 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: Uh seven, start. 682 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: Right right, go to draftings. See what that what that 683 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 3: line of the day is for Sonny Gray for for 684 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 3: the the pick six fantasy. I think I think there's 685 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: a winner there. So cool weather. 686 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: Marbles are because, uh, yesterday was pretty grim. 687 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 3: You know. 688 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: They don't even have to win games. 689 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean, from my perspective, though, I would like to 690 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: watch a competitive. 691 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: Game unt at least a sixth in or so. That's 692 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: really didn't happen yesterday. 693 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 3: You know. And I know we got you got to go, 694 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 3: especially you have work to do too, but I get 695 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: to stay home and do it. You got to get 696 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 3: to the ballpark, But no, I got to say and listen, 697 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 3: I love to watch baseball so much, like I'm really 698 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 3: enjoying watching Alec Burlos and I'm really enjoyed watching Nolan Gorman. 699 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: I'm I'm really enjoying watching Mason win play defense. I mean, 700 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: there's still some stuff that grabs your attention and makes 701 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: you smile a little bit, right, so you know, you know, 702 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: and so I I, yeah, it's been it's been a 703 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 3: disappointing season, but I'm just not like in this mode 704 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 3: of mind frame where it's just like I hate everything. 705 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 3: You know, it's if you love baseball, there's even stuff 706 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: on this team that you would like a lot. 707 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: And that's what we tried to point out in our 708 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: positive episode on Sunday. And then the Cardinals had a 709 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: four and a half hour rain delay and lost seven 710 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: to two. So first of yeah, thanks, thanks you guys, Yeah, 711 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: thanks for doing that, have your back, and then you 712 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: played arguably your worst game of the season. 713 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: So it's fine. 714 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: Hey, we're gonna try to salvage the series game tonight, 715 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: game Thursday, and then three games against the Reds in 716 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: Cincinnati less than thirty game for me and on the 717 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: regular season doc at Bernie that is crazy. But speaking 718 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: of which, I need to get to game number whatever 719 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: this is. Uh, So we'll wrap this episode up. We'll 720 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: come back with you later in the week for more 721 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals updates. 722 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: For Bernie Michelis. 723 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm Katie who thanks as always for watching Cardinal Territory. 724 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: We'll talk very soon 725 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: Out