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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. First

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Speaker 1: Mike our reports. She's muddying the waters even further because

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Speaker 1: they went to Kathy's house, you know, Brian dropped off

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Speaker 1: the van and they got in the Mustang and he

427
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Speaker 1: rode in the backseat of a Mustang, which if you've

428
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Speaker 1: ever done, hey hey hey, hey, hey, hey hey hey,

429
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Speaker 1: slow down, Ruis. I mean, I'm gonna drink you from

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Speaker 1: the fire. Hydra here, what now, slow it down. I've

431
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Speaker 1: got a process everything. You say, what? Okay? So we

432
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Speaker 1: know that he got back on September first around. I

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Speaker 1: think it was ten forty five am from the license

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Speaker 1: plate reader, like you just mentioned. But he didn't go

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Speaker 1: to Kathy's house in the van, right, So the van

436
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: is what showed up on a license plate reader. But

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Speaker 1: he goes to Kathy's house with his parents in their Mustang,

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Speaker 1: and she took very great pains to point out they

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00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: came in the mustang. You're right, go ahead. So you know,

440
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: a van is a lot roomier than a mustang, right,

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Speaker 1: especially if you have to have an adult sitting in

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Speaker 1: the back. So that's just an interesting detail that we

443
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: didn't know before. And the question is you know why,

444
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: And I'm making a flow chart to have everything. You say,

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00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: why Mustang the camper? But still, I mean, you know,

446
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: at night, Cheryl McCollum, when we sit down to supper,

447
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: it's always Lucy. I always sit down and say, where's Lucy.

448
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: Go get Lucy? Every single night, where's Lucy. She's missing.

449
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: She's not here at supper. We're not starting without her.

450
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: Nobody noticed Gabby wasn't there. She never said where's Gabby.

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00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: I find that very hard to believe, Cheryl, and I

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Speaker 1: want to believe Cassie, I really do. Not just that

453
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: she knows her brother is home two months early, and

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00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: he's already been home one other time, so you know

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00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: she'd be questioned it. And my question is did she

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00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: takes Gabby or call Gabby or FaceTime with Gabby with

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Speaker 1: her children after the twenty eight I bet she didn't, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: She also makes reference in these interviews to the fact that,

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Speaker 1: you know, she talks about the relationship that she had

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Speaker 1: with Gabby at one point in time. If I remember correctly,

461
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: she actually said, Hey, I'm I'm missing I'm missing my

462
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: future sister in law here and so she you know,

463
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: there's an awareness of the relationship that she has with her.

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00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: And that's the big question, isn't it. You know, why

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you dig dig deep into this and ask

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00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: us questions? Maybe it didn't. Yeah, hold on, I want

467
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: to I want to analyze that, and everybody jump in.

468
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: For those of you that are joining us, this is

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00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: how you build a case. I would sit with my

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00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: investigator or my bestie in the DA's office and we

471
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: would go over and over and it wasn't work. It

472
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: was trying to. It's like putting together a Rubic's que.

473
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: And this is what you do. You analyze every single angle.

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00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Back to you, Cheryl McCollum, you've mess both of my

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00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: sisters in law, and I love them. If we had

476
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: a family event and David's sister Donna wasn't there, it

477
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: would just be completely wrong. Because at every function, she's

478
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: front and center, the life of the party, the loving, creative,

479
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: funny one. And here I find it really hard to believe.

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00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: If she loves Gabby and her children love Gabby, she

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00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: never said hey, whe's Gabby? Not once. Yeah, And when

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00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: Gabby's mamma called everybody, Why didn't you pick up the

483
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: phone and say we don't know where she is either,

484
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: this is horrible, will help you. Look, they didn't do

485
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: any of that, And I'll tell you something else Cassie

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00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: didn't do. She says she's in Orlando on vacation. When

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00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: the detective calls her, she waited till after dinner to

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00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: call him back because she said, oh, we were eating dinner,

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00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: so I called him after that, no urgency. So you're

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Speaker 1: telling me a detective called you about your future sister

491
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: in law who you supposedly love like a sister that's missing,

492
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: and you didn't call your mama immediately, and you didn't

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00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: call Brian immediately. I'm gonna tell you I'm calling bs

494
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: on Cassie again because you knew, because you knew what

495
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: it was about. It's not that you're eating your chicken

496
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: tenders at a Mickey mouse House. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

497
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: we are analyzing word for word everything in this so

498
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: called sister act that Cassie Laundry has stated. And it

499
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: seemed very spontaneous when she came out and addressed the

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Speaker 1: crowd of people that were outside her door. She said,

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00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: making her children cry, was its spontaneous doctor Angela Arnold.

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00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: You don't think she went over everything she was going

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00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: to say with her husband before they went out. You

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00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: don't think she discussed it with her parents or that

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00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: lawyer that where everybody told her to clam up. And

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00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting also how she's giving. She gives little pieces

507
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: of things like, oh, we're not even supposed to be

508
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: talking to you because the FBI, you know, the FBI

509
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: might know things and y'all don't need to know them,

510
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: and we shouldn't even be talking to you. And I

511
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: also heard her husband say in that footage, we can't

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00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: even hear y'all in the house. We don't even hear

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Speaker 1: y'all in the house. And I'm like, why are you

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00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: saying that. She's saying that the kids are upset? Yeah,

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00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: you're right, I want you to hear something that I

516
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: think Michael Ruise and Sheryl McCollum pointed out our cut

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Speaker 1: two forty eight. I'd also like to say that not

518
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: to upset mister you know any further what, I did

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00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: not get any phone calls from him in the days

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00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: prior to the September eleven. September eleven, I checked my

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00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: phone records. I don't see any maybe have the wrong

522
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: so I was not ignoring his phone balls. I get them. Interesting.

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00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: She goes to great pains to defend herself. Guys, we

524
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: were talking about the whereabouts of Brian Lowry. Straight back

525
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: to Michael Ruise, Fox News Digital in US to get

526
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: a reporter joining us. He is at Mike our Reports

527
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Michael, what more do you think we learn

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00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: from sister Cassie when she goes out to speak to

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00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: tick Talker's Well, you know another thing that this is

530
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sad aspect to this story.

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00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: She did say her children, right, so who would have

532
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: been Gabby's you know, nieces and nephews in the future.

533
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: They learned about her death only through the protests on Saturday,

534
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: which it's a little bit heartbreaking when you hear her

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00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: say that to these people, and it's just but as

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00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: as we just pointed out, they said that they couldn't

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00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: hear the protesters from inside the house. So which part

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00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: of that is true? I mean, did the children hear

539
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: that from protesters or can they not hear what's going

540
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: on outside? I mean it raises a lot of questions

541
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: about As I said earlier, it's so many more questions

542
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: than answers here, So there's a lot. There's a lot

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00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: to unpack and a lot to look into. I hate

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00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: when reporters say that more questions than answers, But actually,

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00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: Michael Away, you're right, who's jumping in, Wendy Patrick, go ahead.

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00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: One thing that I would point out that I thought

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00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: was significant if I were round tabling, this is what

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00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Gabby didn't as what you have Cassie not talking about,

549
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: which is prior domestic violence. So you wonder and if

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00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: I were round tabling this, I would say, have there

551
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: been a time in the past or the two separated

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00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: and they took a time out and maybe Brian came

553
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: back to the house without Gabby. But you'll notice nobody

554
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: is talking about that. That would be an explanation for

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00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: why a silence, period of silence wasn't questioned, especially given

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00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: the information about this plain flight. Well, you're right, and

557
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: she did mention it. Take a listen to our two

558
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: forty four. Have you ever seen Brian hit Gabby? Have

559
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: you ever seen him fight? No? Have you seen him

560
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: any woman? You know I've never seen him, and you

561
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: know that we talked about the neighbors. We camp as

562
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: campus in your parents neighborhood. They've heard screams coming out

563
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 1: of your parents' house many on multiple looking parents scream

564
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: know what to tell you about our kids lived there

565
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: for a year. Oh you lived at the home in

566
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: New York? Have you never seen him fight? No? Arguing them.

567
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: So what you're hearing is Cassie Laundry addressing questions had

568
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: there been prior domestic violence? And she's basically saying, Hey,

569
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I didn't live there, so I don't really know, but

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00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: that no, she had never and we have to keep

571
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: in mind she had not been living in that home,

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00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: isn't that right, Michael Ruise for a period of years,

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00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Michael joining us at Mike All Reports on Twitter. Correct. So, well,

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00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: that's a little muddy. I think what I got from

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00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: that exchange there is that she she said she did

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00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: live with them for a short period in the in

577
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: the parents' home on Wassabo Avenue or Wasbaso Avenue um

578
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: for a few months while the parents from the neighbors.

579
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: I was told that the parents bought the house but

580
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: didn't move in right away because Roberta was undergoing medical

581
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: treatments back in New York and in that in a

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00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: little bit of that timeframe. Uh, the children lived there,

583
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: so Cassie and Ryan lived there with their significant others,

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00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: and I guess there was a tiny bit of overlap,

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00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: tiny bit of overlap. You're actually correct again, Michael Luis.

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00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Why were there so many

587
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: nine one one calls to the laundry home? Now that's

588
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: another good question. A lot of the information we got

589
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: has been redacted, but we know basically since this story

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00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: became public, they've been calling nine one one a lot.

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00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: And it's been on protesters, it's been on parking on

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00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: the street. When Dog the bounty hunter showed up and

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00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: knocked on their door, they called nine one one for

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00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: some reason. So there they seem to be in touch

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00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: with the authorities a lot when they want to be,

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00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: and when Gabby is missing and Brian is missing, you know,

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00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: maybe they're not reaching out as much. So to you.

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00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, what is your take on

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00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: what we learned from the sister in our so called

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00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Sister Act. As she goes out we think spontaneously to

601
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: speak to protesters. Is it planned? Is it not planned?

602
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: And where do you believe Brian Laundry is Now when

603
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: I see her Nancy and I saw her out on

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00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: the lawn, I saw anger. They're both her and her

605
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: spouse are out there self soothing. They've got their arms

606
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: tightly to themselves. Take a look at the video. They're

607
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: kind of rubbing themselves, you know, out there trying to

608
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: self soothe a lot like the person one of the

609
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: people you probably despised most on this planet is Chris

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00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: Watts when he stood out on the porch and was

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00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: self soothing. Do you remember that, certainly standing there and

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00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: they she's furious, And you know what, as an investigator,

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00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: I gotta say she is the weak point in the

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00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: armor if I am trying to information link. Yeah, she's

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00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: the chink. I would apply pressure to her as from

616
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: an investigative standpoint, because now there is a crack of light.

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00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: She has information they're holding onto. And let me tell

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00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: you one more thing. I don't believe that there is

619
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: a lack of awareness of any kind of in fighting.

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00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: I think that there is awareness, and I think that

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00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: there was there are things that have been going on

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00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: within that family. I was, you know, I took a

623
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: look at images from do you remember the dune trip

624
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: where they were they were, you know, kind of taking

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00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: the boards down the dunes. There's a there's a freeze

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00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: frame there if you take a look, and I'd love

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00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: just to say this about Gabby real quick, her right shoulder.

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00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: They're resolving bruises there that I can pick up on

629
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: that I actually saw there. They're multiple resolving bruises on

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00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: her right shoulder blade and one of those freeze frames

631
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: off of Twitter where they're cruising down and everybody's laughing,

632
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: where'd they come from? Because this predates all the trips

633
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: to Utah and then eventually to Wyoming. You know, how

634
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: does this young lady get these bruises on her right

635
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: shoulder blade and they're healing and I'm really wondering what

636
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: else was going on here? And when these autopsy results

637
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: come out, these things will have been explored. They will

638
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: have been explored, and maybe we'll have some explanations and

639
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: see if I may, if I may jump in real quickly.

640
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: There's been this constant discrepancy since the beginning of this story.

641
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: First who was called her boyfriend? Then he was called

642
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: her fiance, then he was called her boyfriend something. Those

643
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: titles are indicative that something was going on. What about it,

644
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: Michael Luise, hadn't they called off their engagement before they

645
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: went on the trip. Yeah, I don't know if it

646
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: was before they went off the trip or early on

647
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: in the trip. And it is a little bit confusing here,

648
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: and we have her the titles being kind of used

649
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: interchangeably here, but her parents did say they kind of

650
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: minimize which title was being used early on in the investigation. So,

651
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they were a couple going through some issues,

652
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: but they were they were certainly still a couple. How

653
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: long had they known each other? What was their relationship

654
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: when they were in grammar school and middle school? Michael, so,

655
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: grammar school and middle school. I'm not sure that they met.

656
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm the information that I've gotten from the family and

657
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: from uh, you know, some some people who grew up

658
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: with them that they met in high school at Bayport

659
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: Flopoint High School on Long Island and they started dating

660
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: after they graduated, so they were, you know, they were

661
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: young adults when they began dating, but they had already

662
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: graduated high school. But they did go to school together

663
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, and you know, they did know

664
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, this is this is why I was

665
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: asking this is Wendy about the on again, off again,

666
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: the potential areas where they may have not talked or

667
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: broken up and gotten back together if there had been

668
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: gaps like that in the past. I just wondered if

669
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: that might not be at least something the defense would

670
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: argue would be an explanation for why it wouldn't have

671
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: been totally out of the ordinary to take that period

672
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: of separation, especially because they have, when pressed, only when pressed,

673
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: admitted the domestic violence. And then this issue with the

674
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: titles that also calls into question whether or not they'd

675
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: broken up in the past, and whether returning without her

676
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: would have raised the red flags that we'd believe it

677
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: should have. What about it, Cheryl jump in, Nancy, I'm

678
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: going to go back to his sister one more time. Okay.

679
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: When she says, I checked my phone records, Okay, really,

680
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: you got to go back through your phone records to

681
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: see whether or not you've got a miscall from this man.

682
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: The reality is her family was also posting all over

683
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: social media. There ain't no way she missed it. There

684
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: ain't no way she didn't know. I called BS for

685
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: the fourth time on this sister Okay, what are your

686
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: four BS calls? Well, that she didn't know that, she

687
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: didn't get a call from the dad, that she didn't

688
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: have any conversation with anybody at the campsite, that Brian

689
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: just came over on September first, and it was quote

690
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: a normal visit. And I'll tell you something else she

691
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: said in that little statement, she said they came over

692
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: and there mustang. So now we know it wasn't Brian's Mustang,

693
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: his parents mustang. They parked it, they planted it, they

694
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: sent another red herring. She's nothing but a red herring.

695
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: But she sees what's coming down. She knows they're only

696
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: protecting Brian, they're not protecting her. So she best get

697
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: to talking. I'm telling you so. Michael ruis joining our

698
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: Spots and News, a digital investigative reporter at Mike R.

699
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Roberts on Twitter, Michael, what about the search at Carlton Reserve?

700
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: Is it over? And what about the search at De

701
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: Soto is it over? Well, the search at Carlton Reserve

702
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: was still going on yesterday. It's definitely scaled down, you

703
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: know from what we saw with the huge show of

704
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: force early on in the search. But they're still looking

705
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: through there, and the water levels have gone down significantly,

706
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: which exposes more areas for them to search a little

707
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: bit easier, so they are looking there. I'm not sure

708
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: what they're gonna find at Fort to Soto. I know

709
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: dog is on a hunt over there, and he's had

710
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: private canine units with him and they're following up on

711
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: leads over there. But I've also talked to locals, especially

712
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: fisherman and you know, charter captains in the area, who say, look,

713
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: this place is a little bit difficult to hide out, Like, yeah,

714
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 1: he could have come here for a day or two,

715
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: maybe camped out, and then use it as a jumping

716
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: off point to get somewhere else. But so many people

717
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: go to that beach on the weekends that it'd be

718
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: it'd be tough to kind of remain hidden. You know.

719
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: The thing that I noticed And Michael Louise, anybody jump in. Cheryl,

720
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: you were talking about the sisters saying, I didn't get

721
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: any calls from her father, Well what about her mother?

722
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: She very carefully said, I didn't get any calls from

723
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: her father? What about her mother? And what about her stepfather?

724
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: What about anybody? Yeah, she's very careful when She talks,

725
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: but she does tell on herself. Just like when I

726
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: said weeks ago, she said Gabby was like a sister,

727
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: and then she stops. She doesn't say she was like

728
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: a sister to me. She stopped short again. She never

729
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: one time looked for She never one time looked in

730
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: the reserve for her brother. She knows they're not missing.

731
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. That reward is now up

732
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: to one hundred and eighty thousand dollars, and the search

733
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: for so called boyfriend Brian Laundry tipline one eight hundred,

734
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: call FBI one eight hundred two two five five three

735
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: two or goodbye friend