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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We talk a lot

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Speaker 2: about bullying in our country. There are endless lessons today

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Speaker 2: in school to prevent bullying, but it's still happening. It's

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Speaker 2: happening to our kids, and sadly, I even see it

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Speaker 2: every day with adults. It's crazy. I see it on

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Speaker 2: social media. I see it at sporting events. Really, bullying

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Speaker 2: is all over, and I think it's more accessible now

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Speaker 2: than it ever has been before because we see cyber

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Speaker 2: bullying and sadly, in some of these cases, bullying leads

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Speaker 2: to the unthinkable. Today, I have Rob and Rose Bronstein

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Speaker 2: with me. They lost their fifteen year old son, Nathan

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Speaker 2: last year after he struggled through unrelenting cyber bullying. Nathan

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Speaker 2: didn't see a way out other than to take his

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Speaker 2: own life, and their story is an eye opening look

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Speaker 2: at how often school admitis straders fail to include parents,

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Speaker 2: particularly when there are these serious issues with life altering

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Speaker 2: consequences coming out of this tragedy. Together, Rob and Rose

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Speaker 2: have created buckets over bullying to put an end to

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Speaker 2: cyberbullying in honor of their son Nathan. Before I bring

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Speaker 2: want to bring in Rob and Rose. Thank you both

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Speaker 2: for joining me today, and I just want to start

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Speaker 2: by saying I am so sorry for your loss. It

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Speaker 2: is really unimaginable for a parent to go through this,

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Speaker 2: and I just can't tell you how grateful I am

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Speaker 2: for you to talk about it so other parents can

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Speaker 2: understand what your situation was and what you went through.

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Speaker 3: Excite you for having us, Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 2: So I think that I want to talk about exactly

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Speaker 2: what happened with the because he was fifteen years old

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Speaker 2: and this started at a private school in Chicago, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's important to know that this can happen

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Speaker 2: at any school. And here is you're paying tuition, and

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Speaker 2: you're paying a lot of tuition at this elite private

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Speaker 2: school in Chicago, and they started what happened is from

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Speaker 2: what I understand, one of the kids or a group

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Speaker 2: of kids started a rumor that he was unvaccinated, which

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Speaker 2: I find interesting because I think a lot of our

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Speaker 2: kids struggled coming out of COVID and then there were

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Speaker 2: obviously we talk about bullying across the spectrum of ages,

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Speaker 2: and we saw a lot of this in the country,

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Speaker 2: where adults were going after each other over COVID stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I cannot imagine being a fifteen year old and

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Speaker 2: going through this. And the truth was he wasn't even unvaccinated.

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Speaker 2: But that's how this started, isn't that right?

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Speaker 4: It was one of many instances and how it started.

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Speaker 4: When he transferred over to the Latin School of Chicago

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Speaker 4: his sophomore year, we were still in the midst of

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Speaker 4: the pandemic. The reason why we transferred him is because

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Speaker 4: at the time, the Latin School of Chicago had made

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Speaker 4: a formal announcement that in the fall of twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: I that was really important to us. We had had enough,

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Speaker 4: he got there, we just started feeling isolated, excluded, unwelcome

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Speaker 4: So the the bullying started while he started just to

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Speaker 4: so you know he must that's why he transferred his

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Speaker 4: sophomore year, questioning, sorry, I just love sweeping, so I.

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Speaker 1: He he was and these schools, the school that he

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Speaker 1: rivals going back decades, and it would be unusual for

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Speaker 1: anyone to transfer. He actually did very well in his

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Speaker 1: transfer him was due to one thing and one thing along,

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Speaker 1: which is that the leadership of Latin School was very

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Speaker 1: adamant and confident that they would be back with in

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Speaker 1: that was a bright line. But that was the reason

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Speaker 1: he transferred. It was the only reason. And he's not troubled.

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Speaker 1: But I totally echo what Roe said, which is that

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Speaker 1: it was unusual for solid it transfer between these two schools.

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Speaker 1: And you know, teenagers and kids being what they are,

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Speaker 1: their minds are going to start to, you know, cook

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Speaker 2: They started those rumors that there was some reason that

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Speaker 3: And that started started at school.

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Speaker 4: So the multiply every single day and going to school

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Speaker 4: How did teachers not see this?

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Speaker 2: I mean that seems so like to me with a

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Speaker 4: Well, that's one of the biggest problems with bullying today

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Speaker 4: is that when you don't have actual documentation, right, when

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Speaker 4: then the adults in the room, they're going to say, well,

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Speaker 4: ostracizing someone or making them feel uncomfortable is a form

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Speaker 4: that's cyberbuling, right. Or if there's a group text of

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Speaker 2: That's something that I we talk about a lot on

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Speaker 2: the podcast because I think that this is such a

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Speaker 2: using devices like this, because we didn't. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: You know, nobody was sending private messages to anybody. But

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Speaker 2: we've had that same experience. So last year, eighth grade,

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Speaker 2: this group text. And just that I remember, just that

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Speaker 2: another thing that I think. You look at these administrators

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Speaker 2: This is a child. When something like this happens to

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Speaker 2: that at fifteen, those consequences of the permanency of suicide,

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Speaker 2: the permanency of taking your own life, it just doesn't

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Speaker 2: I mean, how did it get so far without administrator

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Speaker 4: The crux of the tragedy As follows in late December,

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Speaker 4: there was a basketball game. Our son was on the

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Speaker 4: JD basketball team at Latin School in Chicago, and there

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Speaker 3: They were insulting him, they were threatening.

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Speaker 4: Him, they were humiliating him. And then that same weekend,

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Speaker 4: up the Snapchat message and adding exclatives and messaging that

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Speaker 4: And in addition to that, we do know that he

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Speaker 4: cyberbullying spun out of control. He did report the cyberbullying

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Speaker 4: to the dean of students that weekend via email, and

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Speaker 4: he attached a copy of the snapchat to the email,

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Speaker 4: so it clearly identified three students who were a part

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Speaker 4: of the cyberbullying, and he had asked the Dina students

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Speaker 4: it as cyberbulling what was.

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Speaker 3: Most and did so a few days later.

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Speaker 4: What is most disturbing to us is that when the

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Speaker 4: Dina student was trying to close the loop on the issue,

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Speaker 4: she responded to him in the email and minimized his

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Speaker 4: report to cyberbullying by referencing it as social media behaviors.

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Speaker 1: But I want to point out so he went to

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Speaker 1: the Ena students desperate for her help, and she actually

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Speaker 1: I mean common sense and prudence, but also Illinois law

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Speaker 4: Parents need to shift their perspective and say this affects

438
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Speaker 4: all of us, right, because sometimes the child is doing.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I say about even seeing adults these

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Speaker 2: days go after each other. Where how did society get

441
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Speaker 2: to this point where we think it's okay to say

442
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Speaker 2: things that you wouldn't say in person. You wouldn't sit

443
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Speaker 2: down and just say this to someone you are friends with.

444
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Speaker 2: But these you've got people that are just going after

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Speaker 2: each other. And I think that kids are learning from this.

446
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Speaker 2: I mean, kids have access to everything, whether we like

447
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Speaker 2: it or not. I know people say, oh, I have

448
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Speaker 2: all these protections on social media. There is no way

449
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Speaker 2: to know what they can get access to. They can

450
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Speaker 2: do things that you have no idea. And I know

451
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Speaker 2: all of the stories of don't let them have media,

452
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Speaker 2: social media, don't let them have phones, don't let them

453
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Speaker 2: have devices. I mean, this is the world in which

454
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Speaker 2: we live. It is impossible to say that we are

455
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Speaker 2: not going to be in living in this world. And

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Speaker 2: so I think a lot of parents today feel like

457
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Speaker 2: we're in a very ugly world. I just think it's

458
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Speaker 2: fascinating to me. I did not know about the law

459
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Speaker 2: in Illinois. I think that's fascinating to me because we

460
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Speaker 2: have been conditioned by I would say, even bullied by

461
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Speaker 2: some folks into saying to get to make choices without parents.

462
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Speaker 2: Parents should not be involved. And there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of parents. Even in my sister's school where her daughter goes.

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Speaker 2: She said, I spoke up one time and the parents

465
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Speaker 2: were like, oh my, you have to let the kids

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Speaker 2: make their own choices.

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Speaker 3: You can't have a voice here.

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Speaker 2: We've been conditioned to believe that these are little adults

469
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Speaker 2: running around and they don't need us anymore. Well that's

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Speaker 2: not what the law says either. So I think it's

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Speaker 2: fascinating to me that that's the law in Illinois. But

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Speaker 2: it's also fascinating to me that you say, get a lawyer,

473
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Speaker 2: get an attorney, because I think it's something you're right,

474
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Speaker 2: that innate feeling of I don't want to embarrass my

475
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Speaker 2: own kid, I don't want to make this worse. But

476
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Speaker 2: then this is as this is as bad as it

477
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Speaker 2: can get. So this is as bad as it can get.

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Speaker 4: And what I've also and what's so so frustrating, But

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Speaker 4: I hope that this is a wake up call to

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Speaker 4: schools across the country, administrators across the country, both private

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Speaker 4: and public. It's because I've been following it. In this

482
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Speaker 4: year law in twenty twenty three, there have been five

483
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Speaker 4: settlements for loss of life of children who have been

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Speaker 4: bullied in schools across the country, which is so disturbing.

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Speaker 3: Figures.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm most following, and I actually think I wanted

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Speaker 4: to because I want parents to.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: I actually brought it with me just recently, a child

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Speaker 4: by the name of Diego Stilts in California.

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Speaker 3: He was physically attacked in school.

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Speaker 4: He was punched in the head, he fell over, and

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Speaker 4: the injury caused loss of life. They were awarded twenty

494
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Speaker 4: seven million dollars. Again, not for the settlement, not that

495
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Speaker 4: there's no price tag on a child, and the family

496
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Speaker 4: is not it's not going to change the hell that

497
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Speaker 4: the family is going through. But my point being is

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Speaker 4: that schools need to do a much better job of

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Speaker 4: protecting our children. And this is the story that I read.

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Speaker 4: This child was relentlessly bullied over and over again. This

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Speaker 4: the parents reported it, they did everything they can, and

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Speaker 4: the school turned a blind eye. Same thing happened Mallory

503
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Speaker 4: Grossman in New Jersey. She was bullied online and offline

504
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Speaker 4: relentlessly for over a year when she was in sixth grade.

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Speaker 4: Her parents reported it. She reported it, they did. It's

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Speaker 4: exactly our story, just a different family. She was twelve

507
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Speaker 4: years old and she took her own life because she

508
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Speaker 4: couldn't handle it. It took five years, but the Grossman

509
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Speaker 4: family was awarded a settlement of nine million dollars. Again

510
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Speaker 4: not the money, but it's the point that at some

511
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Speaker 4: point parents have to start to hold schools accountable in

512
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Speaker 4: their feet to the fire that our children deserve an environment,

513
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Speaker 4: a safe environment to go to school. If this happened

514
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Speaker 4: in the workplace among adults, this would not be tolerated.

515
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Speaker 4: This is all illegal, criminal behevior.

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Speaker 1: And in our case, we've been very very vocal about

517
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Speaker 1: the fact that to the extent that ultimately there's any

518
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Speaker 1: financial recovery, we plan to donate the entire of that.

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Speaker 1: We're obviously very very involved in all sorts of advocacy

520
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Speaker 1: through a nonprofit, but we intend to donate every penny

521
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: because again it's not about that. But on the other end,

522
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Speaker 1: although we feel strongly that we could take what is

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Speaker 1: a rightful settlement and put it to much better use.

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Speaker 1: But that's only part of the point. The point is

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Speaker 1: is by Wike was saying, is that unfortunately, the only

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Speaker 1: way that the schools are going to treat this with

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Speaker 1: the seriousness that it needs to be treated is when

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Speaker 1: districts are paying nine million and twenty seven million and

529
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Speaker 1: on and on.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a.

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Speaker 2: Quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast.

532
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Speaker 2: We give our kids consequences. This is what we're asking.

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Speaker 2: We want them to feel the consequences of not taking action,

534
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Speaker 2: of not being involved. And I think it goes all

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Speaker 2: the way back to training teachers, when you have teachers

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00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: who then generally are the ones who become administrators. These

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Speaker 2: are the things that I certainly hope our universities are

538
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Speaker 2: looking at what the challenges are with cyberbullying and bullying

539
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Speaker 2: in general. And I think this has to be We're

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Speaker 2: so focused on other trainings right now, but we're talking

541
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Speaker 2: about children's lives and genuinely talking about life and death

542
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: situations here. And I think your point is so valid

543
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Speaker 2: that they have to feel these consequences, whether it is

544
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Speaker 2: a private or a public school, has to understand that

545
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Speaker 2: there is. Our children's lives are priceless. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: Our children's lives are priceless. But you have to understand

547
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: that there is a price to pay when you decide

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Speaker 2: to look the other way when a child's life is

549
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Speaker 2: on the line, or when you decide to say, oh,

550
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Speaker 2: this kid is mature enough to tell me his parents

551
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: don't need to be involved. I think that's really the

552
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: issue that we're getting at here today. Mom and dad

553
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: or mom and dad, if this kid has a house,

554
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Speaker 2: whether it's mom and dad or grandma and grandpa or

555
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: aunt and uncle who take care of them, those people

556
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Speaker 2: are the ones that love that child more than anyone else.

557
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: They will take care of their own child. But you

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00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: have to tell them.

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Speaker 4: Parents should not be denied the right to protect their child,

560
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 4: especially in this environment now we're bullying, and cyber bullying

561
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: has become so dangerous and has led to deadly consequences.

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Speaker 4: It is not it is not a judgment call anymore

563
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Speaker 4: on the side of an administrator to decide whether or

564
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Speaker 4: not that an incident or a report is at their discretion,

565
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Speaker 4: whether they notify a parent or not. It is it

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Speaker 4: is if Rob and I would have had the opportunity

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Speaker 4: to intervene if we had been notified that day, if

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Speaker 4: at three point thirty that afternoon, the Dean called us

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Speaker 4: and said, your son peme in today to report an

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Speaker 4: incident of cyber bullying.

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Speaker 3: We need you to come in. We need to talk

572
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Speaker 3: about it. We're calling you in the appearance.

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Speaker 4: I can attest to you that our son would be

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Speaker 4: here today because we would have known, right and all,

575
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: we would have known, we would have had the opportunity

576
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: to intervening, put support systems in place, and to protect

577
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Speaker 4: him from any further harm.

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Speaker 3: But we had no clue, so how we didn't even

579
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Speaker 3: ab the act.

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Speaker 1: And I want to point out, well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: the law, which has existed for some amount of time,

582
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Speaker 1: used to require that schools and parents. It was a

583
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Speaker 1: little day, but people interpreted it as ten days. We

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Speaker 1: were very fortunate to have worked with some members of

585
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Speaker 1: the Illinois General Assembly a few months ago to actually

586
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Speaker 1: have that law changed now require twenty four hour notice,

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Speaker 1: which is yeah, which is appropriate, thank you, Which is

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Speaker 1: appropriate the speed at which things move online. But I

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Speaker 1: also wanted to point out, and I know I said

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Speaker 1: this before, but I want to I want to stress

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Speaker 1: it again it's not only the parents of the victim

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Speaker 1: who it's mandated be informed, it's also the parents of

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Speaker 1: the bully. And I can I will add to what

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Speaker 1: my wife said. I think that not only had we

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Speaker 1: been informed, we could a remedy situation. It's probably fair

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Speaker 1: to say that had the parents of the bullies been informed,

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Speaker 1: that would a further help remedy of the situation. And

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Speaker 1: I would tell you, like I can't get into the

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Speaker 1: heads of some of these parents of the bullies, but

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Speaker 1: what could have been a learning experience for a bunch

601
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Speaker 1: of fifteen and sixteen year old boys has now turned

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Speaker 1: into something that these bullies are going to have to

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Speaker 1: sort of live with and think about for the rest

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Speaker 1: of their lives.

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Speaker 3: So their own parents.

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Speaker 1: Had taken from them the opportunity to intervene and help,

607
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Speaker 1: because again the school completely abused what it thought was discretion.

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Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, and those are very hard things to live

609
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Speaker 2: with for as long as those kids will have to

610
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Speaker 2: deal with that the rest of their lives. And for you,

611
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Speaker 2: it's the rest of your life that you're dealing with us.

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Speaker 2: And I just have to say when I see parents

613
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Speaker 2: like you who have gone through such tragedy and you

614
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Speaker 2: immediately say we are going to do something and changing

615
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Speaker 2: the law, but even creating your organization. I'm just in

616
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Speaker 2: awe of your ability to do this and you've done

617
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: such great work. Can you tell our audience one more

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00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: time about your organization just how they can help, because

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Speaker 2: I know, I mean, we talk to people all the

620
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Speaker 2: time and they are these are top of mind concerns.

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Speaker 2: These are the real life concerns. We talk about it

622
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Speaker 2: a lot, but these are the real life concerns. So

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Speaker 2: how can they find you? Guys?

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Speaker 4: Sure, our organization is buckets over bullying. Your website is

625
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Speaker 4: bucketsoverbullying dot org. Our primary goals of followings education. Peers

626
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: need to start to educate themselves on how dangerous social

627
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: media has we come to our children. They can't start.

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Speaker 4: They keep handing self ones to their kids with access

629
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Speaker 4: to social media, without rules, without boundaries, without explaining to

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Speaker 4: them what are the dues and doubts. And we're working

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Speaker 4: with an organization out of California, the Organization for Social

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Speaker 4: Media Safety, where we bring in their curriculum into schools

633
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Speaker 4: in Illinois to educate kids on the harms of social media,

634
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Speaker 4: how to protect themselves and what to do in their

635
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: endanger and parents as well. Ideally, we would love to

636
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Speaker 4: roll that curriculum out across the country. Like you said before,

637
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Speaker 4: there needs to be cyber safety education in every school

638
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Speaker 4: across the country, and it should be mandated.

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Speaker 3: The other.

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Speaker 4: Just like any other topic that you know has now

641
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Speaker 4: become mandated, cyberbullying and bullying needs to be in there.

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Speaker 4: The other thing that we work on as well is advocacy,

643
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Speaker 4: So we work really hard to support federal legislation that's

644
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Speaker 4: been introduced to put protections in place for our kids,

645
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Speaker 4: as well as state legislation.

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Speaker 3: Here in Illinois.

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Speaker 4: The one thing that I do want to highlight to

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Speaker 4: the peer community that's something that we should all start

649
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 4: to think about and to demand this is I believe

650
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Speaker 4: now that bullying and cyber bullying should fall under mandated

651
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Speaker 4: reporting laws. Bullying and cyberbulling is a form of an

652
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 4: is a form of abuse. Right, So if every teacher

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Speaker 4: and faculty and administrator is quote unquote a mandated reporter

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Speaker 4: by law, and they're required to report to Child and

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Speaker 4: Family Services if they see a child who show signs

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Speaker 4: of abuse in neglect, bullying and cyberbulling needs to be

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Speaker 4: pulled into that trigger as well. It could potentially be

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Speaker 4: life saving, and then what would happen is it would

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Speaker 4: not be subjective any right. So I just wanted to

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Speaker 4: put that out there because I keep trying to think

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Speaker 4: of ways like how do we get our arms around this,

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Speaker 4: and how do we put more safeguards around our children

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Speaker 4: to make sure that we don't have any more horrific

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Speaker 4: tragedies that we've experienced. And then finally, the third focus

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Speaker 4: of our organization is legal action. We parents have called

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Speaker 4: me desperate saying, you know, telling me their story and

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Speaker 4: they don't know what to do, and I say, you

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Speaker 4: know what, at this might your best option is getting

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Speaker 4: legal counsel. But what happens is the immediate reaction is, well,

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Speaker 4: how am I going to afford an attorney? Right?

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Speaker 3: A parent is going to.

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Speaker 4: Recoil because lawyers fees are so exorbitant, So that has

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Speaker 4: become a huge barrier and giving parents their rights back

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Speaker 4: to try to find ways to protect their children. And

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Speaker 4: so here in Illinois, we've partnered with a lot for

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Speaker 4: who is offering pro bono legal services when families aren't

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Speaker 4: crisis and removing that barrier, then at least parents have

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Speaker 4: a resource to go to when they've already called the school,

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Speaker 4: reached out to the parents of the bullies. The child

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Speaker 4: is saying, please, don't do anything else because you're making

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Speaker 4: it worse for me, and the child is refusing to

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Speaker 4: go to school. As a parent, you need help, You

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Speaker 4: need help some other way. So ideally, what I'd like

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Speaker 4: to do moving forward, and we're working on, is to

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Speaker 4: build a network of attorneys across the country who are

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Speaker 4: all interconnected, have a representative in each state that would

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Speaker 4: offer pro bono legal services to families who are in

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Speaker 4: crisis when they feel that their child is not safe.

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Speaker 3: It's cool, we're moving that barrier.

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Speaker 4: We can solve the power more power back to peers

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Speaker 4: to protect our children.

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Speaker 2: I love that. That is amazing And like I said,

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Speaker 2: you are both incredible. We are in awe of what

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Speaker 2: you've been able to do. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: being here, Rob and Rose Bronstein. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and thank you all for joining us once again

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