Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.
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Speaker 2: episode fifty six of Midnight Chats. The date today is
Speaker 2: October the eleventh, twenty eighteen, and that means nothing, doesn't it,
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Speaker 2: Ray Black is a young singer from Catford in South London.
Speaker 2: She's currently twenty five years old, and she came to
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Speaker 2: don't think it will, because Ray black Back is a
Speaker 2: very fun, funny and charming person, as I found out
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Speaker 2: to do many edits on these conversations, as you've probably realized,
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Speaker 2: this podcast, I have not edited at all. What you
Speaker 2: will hear is exactly as it was, and that's the
Speaker 2: first time that's happened. And it's because essentially Ray is
Speaker 2: just a very just a good talker. She's very good
Speaker 2: at it, and I had a really good time talking
Speaker 2: to her. She went to the same university as me,
Speaker 2: and we do get stuck on that point a little bit,
Speaker 2: maybe because I'm a bit too keen to reminisce about
Speaker 2: my university days. But it was at Brunell University where
Speaker 2: she recorded her first mixtape. It was a mini album
Speaker 2: called Dirt. You can check out both of these records
Speaker 2: still obviously and from Dirt. She was the first artists
Speaker 2: to win the BBC Sound of Poll as an unsigned artist,
Speaker 2: she didn't have a record deal, she didn't have any
Speaker 2: money behind her pushing her or you know, big budgets,
Speaker 2: and she still managed to win that pole at the
Speaker 2: beginning of twenty seventeen. As I say, I really enjoyed
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Speaker 3: I starting my own podcast. This is yeah, it looks
Speaker 3: fairly simple.
Speaker 2: Jesse Ware has got a good one where she cooks
Speaker 2: the meal with her.
Speaker 3: Mom, yeah, I've heard of that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I'd come up with that idea.
Speaker 3: It's very cool.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the idea I want to go on.
Speaker 2: That's why you should be going on, because then you
Speaker 2: get and here, we don't even have hot chocolate for you.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not great.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? How's things going? It's good, exciting times,
Speaker 2: new music. The first thing I wanted to talk to
Speaker 2: you about, though, was we went to the same university.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane told me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got. I only found this out yesterday googles.
Speaker 2: I was doing my googles and I got quite excited
Speaker 2: because no one ever went to my university. It's very
Speaker 2: rare you meet someone that went to Brunelle University or
Speaker 2: do you meet do you meet people?
Speaker 3: If I don't meet people who have been there, then
Speaker 3: I meet people that know somebody and then oh yeah,
Speaker 3: my friend, my cousin. Okay, it's just basic cool.
Speaker 2: Did you what campus were you? Were you in the
Speaker 2: Oxbridge campus? Yes, yeah, there's another one. There's a pretty one, right,
Speaker 2: And I found this out in my third year or
Speaker 2: something when I went to DJ at the other campus.
Speaker 2: And it's it's in osterly which is which is basically
Speaker 2: it's kind of sorry near. It's really like their campus
Speaker 2: is like got all the beauty and our campus just
Speaker 2: got concrete.
Speaker 3: So what's there.
Speaker 2: It's they've got this massive run in track they've got
Speaker 2: it's like an old building and it's like looks like
Speaker 2: like a red brick UNI like somewhere. It's just really,
Speaker 2: it's just like the nice one. It's not the seventies.
Speaker 3: One, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: We should explain to anyone. Yeah it is. We should
Speaker 2: probably explain to anyone listening that doesn't know Oxbridge Brunel University.
Speaker 2: How would you explain our campus.
Speaker 3: Basic like this issue. There's nothing to it. It's not
Speaker 3: like the building doesn't look exciting. Do you know what?
Speaker 3: Actually it looks like offices. You could just be like, oh,
Speaker 3: some office is there. Yeah, it doesn't really look like
Speaker 3: a UNI campus. There's just loads of walking space, some
Speaker 3: statues oddly placed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's where they filmed The Clockwork Orange.
Speaker 3: Okay, have you seen that film.
Speaker 2: It's basically it's like a Stanley Kubrick film from the seventies.
Speaker 2: It's pretty fucked up, but it's what they thought the
Speaker 2: future was going to look like. In the seventies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think the films, the scenes they filmed at
Speaker 2: our university are the scenes where he's in a mental
Speaker 2: institution or prison.
Speaker 3: Accurate, very accurate.
Speaker 2: So I hope that will give listeners a good indication
Speaker 2: of what it was like to go.
Speaker 3: To definitely felt like prison. Sometimes, what were you?
Speaker 2: Were you in the posh halls? There's ten years between us,
Speaker 2: so it might have changed lots by the time you
Speaker 2: were there. But were you in the what what halls
Speaker 2: of residence were you? I was?
Speaker 3: I was in the ship place, say ship on the Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was in the ship place. I was at mill Hall.
Speaker 3: I think that was. Yeah, duty like mill Hall is
Speaker 3: actually disgusting.
Speaker 2: The thing is, I was about to say to you,
Speaker 2: I was in the posh ones. I was in Millhall
Speaker 2: when I was when I was there, that was the
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 3: That was. I was trying to escape Mill Hall to
Speaker 3: go to someone called Girl Braith. Everyone was trying to escape,
Speaker 3: like I kept trying to ask to get moved. You
Speaker 3: just make up some sort of thing like, oh my
Speaker 3: drains blocked, blah blah, I think there's a murderer in here,
Speaker 3: like anything, make up anything to try and.
Speaker 2: Get out would work.
Speaker 3: Like nothing.
Speaker 2: So when okay, maybe it must have changed a lot.
Speaker 2: When I was there, Mill Hall was it was the
Speaker 2: posh one because we had our own bathrooms, right, and
Speaker 2: some of them this is showing my age, some of
Speaker 2: them they didn't. You know, you had to share a
Speaker 2: bathroom with five other people and a friend of mine
Speaker 2: who went to my school and he came to the
Speaker 2: union at the same time as me. He was in
Speaker 2: one over the other side of the campus and it
Speaker 2: was his block where they filmed the prison scenes and
Speaker 2: that was where he had been dumb. So I felt
Speaker 2: quite lucky. But fine, I'm guessing it's changed. Have you
Speaker 2: been back since?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't, you know, I haven't. But I can't
Speaker 3: imagine sharing bathroom five other people. I saw that on
Speaker 3: the application. I was just like, who's doing this? Like,
Speaker 3: who's picking this one to share with? Like five disgusting,
Speaker 3: horny eighteen year old gross?
Speaker 2: Really gross? Did you enjoy it though? How was your
Speaker 2: unique experience?
Speaker 3: Mine was really average? Like so average. I feel like
Speaker 3: everyone's got stories, particularly of their first year of like
Speaker 3: getting drunk, catching the first year flu or whatever they
Speaker 3: call it, fresh as flu. I don't even know what
Speaker 3: and just like their wild experiences and mine was so
Speaker 3: dry because I foolishly got a boyfriend before us started JUNI,
Speaker 3: and he just had me on lockdown like I wasn't
Speaker 3: doing I wasn't going to any part, Like I didn't
Speaker 3: make friends.
Speaker 2: So did you spend a lot of your weekends back
Speaker 2: like away from camp?
Speaker 3: No? So heat, And I'm really still angry about this.
Speaker 3: He would spend every day at Miuni that he would
Speaker 3: come and stay at my home, okay, but he would
Speaker 3: come and stay at my whole. So the thing is,
Speaker 3: like I asked several times, like can I just get
Speaker 3: a bit of space, like I'm new, I'm not making
Speaker 3: any friends, blah blah blah, and he would either like
Speaker 3: break down into tears or make up some ludicrous story,
Speaker 3: the worst of them being when I said, okay, I've
Speaker 3: had enough, like we need to break up because like
Speaker 3: I'm very much my own person and you're just intruding
Speaker 3: in my space. And he made up that his friend
Speaker 3: had cancer.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So I couldn't break up with him.
Speaker 2: When did you find out he'd made this?
Speaker 3: Ye? How do you do that? A year later?
Speaker 2: So you stayed with him four years?
Speaker 3: Clearly, I was a much nicer person back then. No,
Speaker 3: Like I felt so bad. I felt like such a
Speaker 3: horrible person. So I had to stay with him and
Speaker 3: then eventually I just kind of got comfortable with it.
Speaker 3: But like that was the worst mistake ever until so
Speaker 3: I asked him, like, hold on, what about your friend
Speaker 3: that you said like lived in Manchester And he was
Speaker 3: like what, what's like the one with cancer And he
Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, he's good. Like also the cancer
Speaker 3: just disappeared cancer yeah, wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that was the final straw where you like,
Speaker 2: you've got to go now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think like two months after that we broke up,
Speaker 3: but you're still much I was comfortable.
Speaker 2: You're like, this is an ideal, but I mean it's easy.
Speaker 3: It's easy, Like I'm getting dinners, you know, getting looked after.
Speaker 3: He's not that bad.
Speaker 2: That's such a shame. So I know there were there
Speaker 2: were a few people, like there's always someone who's got
Speaker 2: a boyfriend who comes and stays, yeah, and it's hard
Speaker 2: to like become Yeah, that person does end up not
Speaker 2: being as like part of the gang as much, which
Speaker 2: is weird, which is a shame, Like, yeah, did you
Speaker 2: get to go to enjoy any of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like eventually I made some friends. But I
Speaker 3: think actually it was a gift that I had a
Speaker 3: boyfriend at the time who was taking up space, because
Speaker 3: they turned out to be dickheads. Like I'm I'm very
Speaker 3: much a girl's girl, so I've got a very tight
Speaker 3: like friendship group of girls. But they were like those
Speaker 3: girls that people talk about, like mean girls, Like they
Speaker 3: all chat shit about each other and they're jealous of
Speaker 3: each other, and this person wants to have this person's boyfriend.
Speaker 3: So I just got out of that group quite quickly
Speaker 3: after anyway. And then I'd say I started enjoying my
Speaker 3: unique experience in my final year, which is the year
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be enjoying UNI. Yes, when you're meant to
Speaker 3: be focused. And I didn't do my dissertation. You didn't
Speaker 3: do it until No, I did it eventually, but five
Speaker 3: days before it was dish was when I started to
Speaker 3: Because you were.
Speaker 2: Just having a good time, Yeah, Like I was.
Speaker 3: Living my best life. I was hanging with Stormsy, was
Speaker 3: like doing shows and stuff. I was making a mixtape.
Speaker 3: I was going out partying and making friends like in
Speaker 3: the music industry and stuff. Yeah, so I just wasn't bothered.
Speaker 3: And then also I felt like everyone's working too hard.
Speaker 3: I don't know. For some reason, I felt like it's
Speaker 3: not that serious, Like if we're doing English, it's not
Speaker 3: like we're not going to be doctors. Fine, did you doing.
Speaker 2: That final year? Were you living because you would have
Speaker 2: been living off campus by then, Yeah, were you really
Speaker 2: in close? Still? Were you still in the Uxbridge chet?
Speaker 3: It's just so funny. So my friend and I were
Speaker 3: illegally sharing a campus room, so you put it, we
Speaker 3: put it on someone else's name, and we were both
Speaker 3: like part time living in the room and like splitting
Speaker 3: the money career. So yeah, that was like the chill room,
Speaker 3: Like oh yeah, if you want to hang, you want
Speaker 3: to sleep there, if you want to bring a boy
Speaker 3: over whatever like that was yeah, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's been quite good your Uni experience.
Speaker 2: I don't think you miss having been to that university.
Speaker 2: I don't think you missed that much. I did have
Speaker 2: a good time, but as we say, there was so
Speaker 2: much concrete knocking about. It was quite an oppressive place. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you were studying English, English literature. Had you always been
Speaker 2: a big reader ever since you were like a small kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, until I started UNI. Then I hated it because
Speaker 3: then it became a chore. But I used to love
Speaker 3: reading all the time. I was never like nerdy or anything.
Speaker 3: I just really enjoyed reading. It was just like a
Speaker 3: good past time for me. So I don't know if
Speaker 3: they still have them these days, but they used to
Speaker 3: have like a mobile library, yeah, those buses. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I would always like be waiting at the window for
Speaker 3: the mobile library to come so I can run and
Speaker 3: switch my book. And I remember at the time, I
Speaker 3: was obsessed with a series of unfortunate events leimonies. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I was just like waiting for the next one,
Speaker 3: like ready to switch it up. So yeah, I just
Speaker 3: love to reading.
Speaker 2: Who are your favorite writers? Do they change over time
Speaker 2: or do you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They I don't know they change over time. I
Speaker 3: don't I've never like followed an author, like read all
Speaker 3: of their books or anything, but I currently maybe like
Speaker 3: chim Amanda Adici, just because the experience is that she
Speaker 3: writes about I've experienced and I can relate to and
Speaker 3: it's about my culture as a Nigerian.
Speaker 2: Is that what you did your dissertation as well?
Speaker 3: So my dissertation was on postcolonial literature. Yeah, and the
Speaker 3: loss of identity in Africa. So one of her books,
Speaker 3: I used China Bay's books. Yeah cool, Yeah, sounds really serious.
Speaker 2: It sounds really academic. How did you do in the end,
Speaker 2: what did you get? A good?
Speaker 3: It's fucking good, like as in I don't understand good.
Speaker 3: Like after I got results, I was like, yo, Unie's fake,
Speaker 3: Like I don't understand why people make it out like
Speaker 3: UNI's this really hard struggle and stuff, because I was
Speaker 3: very much a last minute person, Like eighty percent of
Speaker 3: my courseworks were handed in a day late, right, so
Speaker 3: you know, like gets tapped whatever. I was just like
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna get an A plus in the first place,
Speaker 3: it's not all that serious. And then in the end
Speaker 3: I ended up getting a two to one and like
Speaker 3: a distinction on my dissertation that I did in five days,
Speaker 3: and I felt I found it so funny. I kind
Speaker 3: of gloated a little bit because there was this one
Speaker 3: Boffing used to like talk about and gossip about me
Speaker 3: and my best friend Abby Girl because we used to
Speaker 3: both like slack all the time, and she like gave
Speaker 3: us a proper Helen off because we went to see
Speaker 3: Beyonce on the day. On the day our courseworke was you?
Speaker 3: She asked us like, oh, you've done your coursework? Is
Speaker 3: it the date was due? And we were like, well no,
Speaker 3: and she was like, oh, what are you going to
Speaker 3: be in like the library doing it all day? Like, no,
Speaker 3: we're gonna go se Beyonce today. So she was livid
Speaker 3: when she found out that we got the same fucking grade.
Speaker 3: She got the same as well, work smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel for her. In our house at UNI,
Speaker 2: there were three of us and I was middling. I
Speaker 2: was like, I got two one, but I got a
Speaker 2: two to one. You know, what is it sixty five
Speaker 2: or something you need for a two one? I think
Speaker 2: that's still a two one.
Speaker 3: Clear.
Speaker 2: My one of my friends worked madly for a first.
Speaker 2: He was one percent in a two to one, and
Speaker 2: my other friend slept in his shoes. He was one
Speaker 2: of those guys. He could have been woted to get
Speaker 2: undressed to get into bed, that's how lazy it is.
Speaker 2: And he snuck inside the two one and we all
Speaker 2: got exactly the same grades. And I felt for my
Speaker 2: friend Rob because he's like he deserved, like he wasn't
Speaker 2: like a square he still had fun, but he he
Speaker 2: was like. I was like, man, I'd be so mad
Speaker 2: at the guy who slept in his shoes last night
Speaker 2: right now, because that's unfair, because James life fat. He
Speaker 2: was bad. He works in that bar, a bar in
Speaker 2: town called bar Rouche. I don't know if that's still there,
Speaker 2: but like it's a weird place is in elkxwidg because
Speaker 2: there's no like student vibe if you go into the town.
Speaker 2: They hate the students that it's not like you're in
Speaker 2: a university town and London's so far in London's like
Speaker 2: an hour away on the tube, so you're kind of
Speaker 2: stranded in this weird like campus and there's.
Speaker 3: Really not much to offer in terms of places to eat,
Speaker 3: places to shop, so we all end up wearing the
Speaker 3: same clothes all the time because we're all shopping at
Speaker 3: that top shop with the limited supply and eating at
Speaker 3: the same place all the time time. And yeah, it was,
Speaker 3: it was weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah after Uni, did you move back to Camford?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Great, still that you're you're there now?
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, I've moved now, But yeah I
Speaker 3: moved there. I think like two months after my friends
Speaker 3: and I decided that we were just going to party
Speaker 3: at UNI, which was stupid because the party and was done.
Speaker 2: You were just getting into it. As soon as it's empty,
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, exactly, like, no, no, I've got too much, Like, no,
Speaker 2: come on, I'm just getting into.
Speaker 3: That, Lily, I'm finally free. But yeah, I moved shortly after.
Speaker 3: And then and then I worked in PR for a bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, what was that in music PR?
Speaker 3: No, it was in corporate PR, which was really dry,
Speaker 3: and I hated everybody I worked with, and I hated
Speaker 3: the campaigns I worked on. I just hated everything about it.
Speaker 3: And I feel like that was what gave me the
Speaker 3: drive to get into music, because I was I was
Speaker 3: working from what like eight o'clock till five o'clock or
Speaker 3: six sometimes, and in the evening, I was going to
Speaker 3: the studio, so I'd go straight from there to the
Speaker 3: studio and i'd be there for like two am. Like
Speaker 3: I feel like that those six months, I've got no
Speaker 3: more than four and a half hours sleep every night.
Speaker 3: But I just had to get out of there. I
Speaker 3: was like, I have to make this mixtape and it
Speaker 3: has to be it has to save me because I
Speaker 3: can't be here anymore?
Speaker 2: Is this your first mixtape?
Speaker 3: No? So that was Yeah. My first mixtape was while
Speaker 3: I was still at Uni. Then when I came out,
Speaker 3: I made my first sorry mini album. I called it
Speaker 3: called Dirt. Yeah, so I was making that and I
Speaker 3: hadn't signed anything yet, and I was just like, I
Speaker 3: just need to sign a publishing deal so I can
Speaker 3: get out of this hell hole.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you did it amazing. The first one
Speaker 2: was Hammersham, which you did whilst at Unich. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: was that just what kind of had you ever thought
Speaker 2: about it? Because you love books and novels. Have you
Speaker 2: ever thought you were going to be a novelist or
Speaker 2: a writer? Or did you? When did you think I'm
Speaker 2: going to make music?
Speaker 3: Now? I think like I had always been making music
Speaker 3: from when I was really young, so I always knew
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a singer and songwriter. I considered
Speaker 3: being a novelist, but I just don't have the attentions
Speaker 3: fan like, I can't I can't be dedicated to something
Speaker 3: like that for so long. And I feel like writing
Speaker 3: a book is really hard. Yeah, it's not easy, like
Speaker 3: it's entertaining when you read it. But I realized very quickly,
Speaker 3: because once I tried to, I was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to start writing a book, like I can do this.
Speaker 3: Wrote the first bit and I was like fuck, like
Speaker 3: where does it go from it? Do I write twenty
Speaker 3: four more chapters? And the rest of this chapter? Like
Speaker 3: it was just it was too much. So I never
Speaker 3: thought i'd do that. I did thought. I did think, sorry,
Speaker 3: that I would do journalism. I thought maybe I could
Speaker 3: be a music journalist. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My my wife's a massive book riches, loves books, big reader.
Speaker 2: She's an academic, but she as when she was younger.
Speaker 2: She when she was a kid, she'd try to write
Speaker 2: books and she'd get bored instantly and think, ship, like
Speaker 2: where's this going? So she'd just kill everyone in the book.
Speaker 2: But everyone was done. Yeah, everyone just dies and then
Speaker 2: then that's the end. But the books like three pages long.
Speaker 2: Yeah that started off. Really, it starts off with all
Speaker 2: these great intentions and it's beautifully descriptive. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this kid's really got something, and then they all die
Speaker 2: in a car crash.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I'll give her some credit. It's a
Speaker 3: short story.
Speaker 2: A short story accounts cool. So you so when you
Speaker 2: started making your Habersham. Were you just doing that in
Speaker 2: your in your mill hall, your your door.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, for the most part I was writing it
Speaker 3: in my in my halls to the nuisance of my housemates,
Speaker 3: just like stop singing at two am. See. I was
Speaker 3: writing it there and then recording it, luckily not for
Speaker 3: actually in Wembley. So I met Stormsey I think the
Speaker 3: year before. Where did you meet him? At a like
Speaker 3: a local talent show. So my best friend, the one
Speaker 3: I met at UNI, she when I told when she
Speaker 3: found out I could sing, she was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: like there's stuff going on in my ends. She was
Speaker 3: from Croydon. She was like, you have to start coming
Speaker 3: with me. So she took me to this like local
Speaker 3: talent show thing and I think Stormsy was judging that
Speaker 3: year and that that was one of her clost friends.
Speaker 3: So she introduced us and yeah, we just knew each
Speaker 3: other from there.
Speaker 2: Did you did you win the show?
Speaker 3: I did enter? I did enter? Did I win? I didn't?
Speaker 3: And I entered for like a like an open mic
Speaker 3: section of it, So I wasn't like in the competition.
Speaker 3: It's like an open mic type of bit anyone here
Speaker 3: want to sing? That kind of vibe. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: he had he was making his first EP at the time,
Speaker 3: Dreamer's Disease, and I asked him, like, where are you recording?
Speaker 3: And so he hooked me up with this engineer called
Speaker 3: six who was in Wembley, which was perfect because that
Speaker 3: was so close to Brunel. So I was recording that
Speaker 3: there at the same time.
Speaker 2: And then that EP ends up to him really well,
Speaker 2: and you're still at Union at that point when you
Speaker 2: put it.
Speaker 3: On nine Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: What was that, like, what was the what was the
Speaker 2: initial reaction? Like, did it instantly just go?
Speaker 3: You know, it felt It wasn't instant, but it felt instant.
Speaker 3: So like obviously in the first like two weeks, three weeks,
Speaker 3: I was just getting like a couple hundred listens, which
Speaker 3: to me was amazing. Yeah, oh my god, two hundred
Speaker 3: people have listened to my song.
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't you refreshing?
Speaker 3: Possibly I was just like, wait, I don't even know
Speaker 3: two hunding people though, so they're not even just my friends. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So that just really that just really guessed me. And
Speaker 3: then bit by a bit it just started growing because
Speaker 3: I started like hanging out in certain groups that I like,
Speaker 3: so people I was listening to on SoundCloud. I noticed
Speaker 3: that they were doing the same shows, like in Hoxton
Speaker 3: or Shoreditch and these like underground venues, mostly at like birthdays.
Speaker 3: There was this place called Soulful Sundays or something at
Speaker 3: Box Park and Shoreditch. So I just kind of started
Speaker 3: going there and meeting people and telling them like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I sing, like here's my link, listen to my songs,
Speaker 3: or like sending it to people at magazines and stuff
Speaker 3: and being like, oh, like please write about my song
Speaker 3: if you like it, and then like it started getting attention.
Speaker 3: So it was it was really quite organic. I say,
Speaker 3: did you.
Speaker 2: Have any help with that? Did you have like someone
Speaker 2: managing you or even a mate helping out or was
Speaker 2: it was just you.
Speaker 3: Just well in terms of the creation, all of my
Speaker 3: friends like helped with that, as in as soon as
Speaker 3: I said, like, I want to be a singer and
Speaker 3: I sent them one of my songs, they were like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you're gonna blow. Like you know, friends,
Speaker 3: just come up, You're gonna blow. So they all put
Speaker 3: money together and like help pay for some of my
Speaker 3: studio time and help pay for me to do a shoot,
Speaker 3: to get my cover art and the person who made
Speaker 3: that and and yend was just really supportful and came
Speaker 3: to all of my shows.
Speaker 2: That's good, friend. My friends don't do that. My friends
Speaker 2: have even read my magazine once we made one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Get some new friends, man.
Speaker 2: Esus, I need your friends, that's all.
Speaker 3: We're all.
Speaker 2: That's amazing though, that they do that for you, just
Speaker 2: on on, just to support you. That's quite an amazing thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're amazing.
Speaker 2: Wow. So then it kind of takes off. Then it
Speaker 2: takes off, then you get your job in so this
Speaker 2: pr job whereabouts? Was that in the center of town?
Speaker 3: That was in Hoven?
Speaker 2: Can you are you allowed to say anything about the
Speaker 2: brands that you're working on or anything.
Speaker 3: I was working on like Vauxhall, no Volkswagen. Sorry that
Speaker 3: big big brands like soap brands.
Speaker 2: How do you how do you prs soap brand? Honestly,
Speaker 2: how do you get people to write about soap?
Speaker 3: Do you know? I learned a lot while I was there.
Speaker 3: I realized everything is fake, Like everything you read in
Speaker 3: the news and all of that, like it's all fake.
Speaker 3: Because so basically how you get pressed for a soap
Speaker 3: brand would be we'd get some random scientists somewhere some
Speaker 3: universities looking for a quick buck and get them to
Speaker 3: do some research about how I don't know, like if
Speaker 3: you wash your clothes with a particular type of soap,
Speaker 3: then you're less likely to have cancer, like something that ridiculous,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, oh, the pearls or
Speaker 3: the granules in this thing is actually bad for you
Speaker 3: because it means more children will get chicken pops or
Speaker 3: whatever if you wash this, if you use this to
Speaker 3: wash your children's clothes. So we'd get them to do that,
Speaker 3: then we would basically sell that piece of material or
Speaker 3: try and get that out to newspapers and say, you know,
Speaker 3: this is the new discovery we've made, because that sounds
Speaker 3: like a big headline like so and so, Yeah, so
Speaker 3: and so causes cancer, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And then there they'll slide in the brand that we're
Speaker 3: trying to sell to be like so and so brand
Speaker 3: actually doesn't cause cancer. And that's how you do pr
Speaker 3: for stuff like that, and then people will end up
Speaker 3: buying that like idiots.
Speaker 2: Having worked on that, has it made you when you
Speaker 2: read the newspaper news stories like that, it made you
Speaker 2: just think I don't believe anything like this is all
Speaker 2: I know exactly how this works. And while they're saying this,
Speaker 2: it's just nonsense.
Speaker 3: Like a little while ago, there was this thing about
Speaker 3: bottles not using the same bottle for too long. Yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah that water bottles don't use the same bottle for
Speaker 3: too long because it builds up too much bacteria and
Speaker 3: you'll get sick and stuff like that. And I was like,
Speaker 3: they're just trying to sell more bottles, like I just
Speaker 3: want you to buy a new one. They realized, Oh,
Speaker 3: people are just refilling the everyone with tap water. Now
Speaker 3: let's tell them to buy more. Like that's what I
Speaker 3: felt anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, but so many people. Yeah, full for that.
Speaker 2: Maybe everyone needs to go and work in pr. How
Speaker 2: long were you there for?
Speaker 3: Six months or seven months?
Speaker 2: Okay, long enough?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And then.
Speaker 2: So after that, so you did make dirt And then
Speaker 2: is that when you left? Did you leave off the
Speaker 2: back of that? Is that what enabled you to leave
Speaker 2: that job? Or did you just have enough and just
Speaker 2: think I've got to get out of here and then
Speaker 2: I'll work it out when I got out.
Speaker 3: No, so so do It actually didn't come out until
Speaker 3: the year after I left so I think that was
Speaker 3: maybe like that was twenty fifteen when I was there
Speaker 3: and I was in the process of making Dirt, and
Speaker 3: then I signed a publishing deal before Christmas, so in December,
Speaker 3: and once I knew like it was in the works,
Speaker 3: I was basically like deal six, Like I am out.
Speaker 3: My lawyer's handling this, so it's really happening. This isn't
Speaker 3: because it was like we're talking about it for a while,
Speaker 3: and for like two months I was there, like when
Speaker 3: people would like give me a heat load of work
Speaker 3: on my desk at six o'clock when I'm meant to
Speaker 3: be going. In my head, I'm like, I don't need
Speaker 3: to do this shit, Like why am I still here?
Speaker 3: I've got something in the pipeline. But I just had
Speaker 3: to firm it and just stay there until it was
Speaker 3: like really happening. And then I think like a week
Speaker 3: before Christmas, that's what I was freed. Yeah, I was
Speaker 3: like I'm.
Speaker 2: Out, I'm out here. So how does the how did
Speaker 2: your publishing deal come about? Did you have a manager
Speaker 2: by then?
Speaker 3: Yes, then I had a manager. I had I met
Speaker 3: the manager I think like two months to when I
Speaker 3: finished UNI, like two months before and then he started
Speaker 3: getting me in studio sessions I can make the project,
Speaker 3: and just taking meetings with publishing labels and some record labels.
Speaker 3: But at that point it was way too early to
Speaker 3: sign a deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were you already being offered deals at that point?
Speaker 3: Yeah, not like anything concrete on the table, like in paperwork,
Speaker 3: but from from like when I released Havisham, like the
Speaker 3: first two months of it being out, labels were reaching out,
Speaker 3: and I think I found out from that that you
Speaker 3: never know where your music is going. Like for new
Speaker 3: artists trying to be seen and heard, you think maybe
Speaker 3: no one's taking notice, but like there are scouts at
Speaker 3: labels who their job is to just go through SoundCloud
Speaker 3: link after link and YouTube and watch this and go
Speaker 3: to these random shows where only twenty people are there
Speaker 3: to discover unfound talent. So from really early on, labels
Speaker 3: were reaching.
Speaker 2: Out, but you didn't. What I think it's amazing is
Speaker 2: that you didn't sign a deal early on, And yeah,
Speaker 2: it was actually quite a while until you signed a
Speaker 2: deal because you put dirt out yourself and then you
Speaker 2: won the BBC Sound of Pole as the first person
Speaker 2: that was unsigned to win that pole, and that's at
Speaker 2: the beginning of twenty seventeen. Yes, And at that point
Speaker 2: did you then go, well, first of all, let's talk
Speaker 2: about that. I mean, that's like a massive pole at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, which kind of sets the
Speaker 2: tone for new music for the year here in the UK.
Speaker 2: What was it like to win it? Like, did you
Speaker 2: have any inkland Does that kind of thing just pop
Speaker 2: up like one day you just find out or so?
Speaker 3: I didn't have an inkling that I would win, but
Speaker 3: I knew that I was. I was going to be
Speaker 3: like Top five because in the run up to the
Speaker 3: announcement they start doing like filming with all of the
Speaker 3: people who have made like Top five. So I knew
Speaker 3: from the amount of like stuff they were asking me
Speaker 3: to commit to, like oh, can we film in your
Speaker 3: area on this day? Can you do a performance? So
Speaker 3: then my team knew that, oh, you'll probably do like
Speaker 3: you'll be on Top five. So I was like, okay, dope,
Speaker 3: But that's all I thought would happen. And my team
Speaker 3: actually knew a whole month before that I had won.
Speaker 2: No people the keeping stuff from you, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess it was a good surprise, to be.
Speaker 2: Fair, so that they obviously did a good job. If
Speaker 2: did you have you had no inkling, So they did
Speaker 2: a really good job of keeping that to themselves. No
Speaker 2: time he walked into a.
Speaker 3: Round, I remember my radio person as well was asking
Speaker 3: me like, oh, who do you think will we And
Speaker 3: the conversation was very much like a regular like not me,
Speaker 3: Like she didn't say me, I didn't say me, and
Speaker 3: she was like, yeah, obviously there's a lot of hype
Speaker 3: around this person, blah blah blah. Obviously like Rack and
Speaker 3: bone Man. At the time, I had like a number
Speaker 3: one or two whatever whatever, so it was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: probably Rack and bone Man. Yeah, and that was it,
Speaker 3: And like you knew the whole time this conversation I
Speaker 3: had one. Yeah, it was. It was a really lovely surprise. Yeah,
Speaker 3: such an honor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm guessing the day that comes out, did
Speaker 2: you just go and get wrecked? What did you do?
Speaker 3: Oh? My life is so dry? That just sounded really cool.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, why didn't I do that? Why did
Speaker 3: I even think of that? No, Like I just went
Speaker 3: home and had dinner with my mom, like nothing else.
Speaker 2: That is much cooler. That's a much cooler reaction. I'd
Speaker 2: be like yeah, that was it.
Speaker 3: I remember crying in the street though, well when you
Speaker 3: found out. Yeah, So like when I found out, I
Speaker 3: was just really overwhelmed and it didn't really sink in
Speaker 3: and I was like, wait what I think it was? Oh,
Speaker 3: I can't remember his name. One of the big presenters
Speaker 3: at like BBC News with this massive like TV camera.
Speaker 3: So I was trying to keep it together, like I'm
Speaker 3: not going to cry on the news, Like me hold
Speaker 3: it down. And then when I got out, I phoned
Speaker 3: my mom and I had told her about the whole
Speaker 3: process and everything was gone on. She's like, oh, okay, cool, cool.
Speaker 3: And I had told her as well about like the
Speaker 3: alumni and that like Adele and Sam Smith, Jesse j
Speaker 3: had won all of that. And my mum is very
Speaker 3: she's very, very supportive. She's one of those moms that
Speaker 3: are like, you're going to win everything, Like she thinks
Speaker 3: you're the best of everything you do. So she was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you'll obviously win, and I was just like here we
Speaker 3: go again. So when I got out and I called
Speaker 3: her and I told her once, she was laughing at
Speaker 3: me being so emotional because I was like crying, and
Speaker 3: I was like I just can't believe it, like this
Speaker 3: is insane, and she was like, I told you were
Speaker 3: going to win. That's that's my mom.
Speaker 2: Like did she cook? Did she cook your special?
Speaker 3: She did?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So sweet, that's nice.
Speaker 2: So then after that, I imagine this question of like
Speaker 2: should I sign a record label deal? I'm guessing at
Speaker 2: that point did you just get overwhelmed with offers and yeah?
Speaker 2: And did you get taken out for all the ready
Speaker 2: posh meals?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Went to the nobs? How many?
Speaker 2: How many meals did you tell? How many meals did
Speaker 2: you get?
Speaker 3: Quite a few, Yes, quite a few. I remember going
Speaker 3: to Nobu for the first time for a label and
Speaker 3: to being like, ship, this is how these niggas living
Speaker 3: like y'all living like this, like it's crazy, like the
Speaker 3: bill coming to five hundred pounds, and I felt so bad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I felt awful. I'm good, I'm rinsing these people. But
Speaker 3: my manager was lapping it up, like, next time we
Speaker 3: need to order more.
Speaker 2: That's nothing.
Speaker 3: You didn't have enough drinks.
Speaker 2: We only hit five hundred?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly?
Speaker 2: Is that the out of the places you were taking to,
Speaker 2: is that is that the one that was like what
Speaker 2: was the best? Was the best, the best meal you
Speaker 2: got out, probably.
Speaker 3: Nobody, because like, so I liked Japanese food already, but
Speaker 3: I've never been to like an expensive Japanese place. So
Speaker 3: going there and being like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 3: what black cord is meant to taste, like like this
Speaker 3: is crazy. It melts in my mouth because I love food,
Speaker 3: love food so much. That was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I've never tasted anything this. I remember. I was telling
Speaker 3: my friends about it for a week, like listen, we
Speaker 3: need to try this.
Speaker 2: You need to get a record deal so you can go,
Speaker 2: so you can. Have you been to Japan at all?
Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 2: I went a year and a half ago for the
Speaker 2: first time. It's any time I've been. And that was
Speaker 2: one of those moments where we did a feature with
Speaker 2: a guy called gold Panda and he he's from the UK,
Speaker 2: but he lived in Japan. He speaks fluent Japanese. I
Speaker 2: went on a little too with him for a feature
Speaker 2: we did, and it was amazing because he could order
Speaker 2: everything off of the menu and he could read all
Speaker 2: the Japanese and stuff. But what it made me realize
Speaker 2: was that the Japanese food we get here is not
Speaker 2: it's not it. It's not real at all. It's all
Speaker 2: hard and cold and refrigerating. I'm sure you found this
Speaker 2: when you're in Nobod that you tasted, you know, and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, I've been all of this
Speaker 2: stuff I've been eating. It's not it. I'm sure you're
Speaker 2: probably is a trip to Japan on the card. It
Speaker 2: must be at some.
Speaker 3: Point at some point, definitely, So this is this isn't
Speaker 3: in or near Japan. But I've got quite a big
Speaker 3: following in Taipei. It's really random, so yeah, go to Asia.
Speaker 3: I have no clue. It's literally like UK or London,
Speaker 3: New York, Taipei, right ho, then Birmingham. It's really weird.
Speaker 2: Take it. So you ended up signing to Ireland out
Speaker 2: of is that did they take to? Were they no?
Speaker 3: Else? They didn't? That was I'm thinking to my name.
Speaker 2: And shape, Where did Iland take?
Speaker 3: You didn't take me nowhere until like later down the line.
Speaker 3: But with Ireland they were actually the first record label
Speaker 3: I went to see that was the first one, and
Speaker 3: that was during Havisham times, so no one had heard
Speaker 3: the newer content like how I had progressed or anything
Speaker 3: like that. There wasn't a music video and darkest the
Speaker 3: President actually gave me like fifteen k, like no strings attached,
Speaker 3: to get things started for myself.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: He was just like, I really see potential in this.
Speaker 3: And obviously I know you won't want to sign a
Speaker 3: record deal right now, but I just want to show
Speaker 3: you how committed I am. And here's some money. Make
Speaker 3: your first music video, get some pr you know, get
Speaker 3: things off the ground for yourself. And he actually left
Speaker 3: me alone. You know, most of the times like something
Speaker 3: that's you'd think you owe them something, but he actually
Speaker 3: left me alone.
Speaker 2: Did you ever felt like, speak of fifteen grand that's yours? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't have to ever call me again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be like I'd be like
Speaker 3: this guy, yeah exactly. Catch it's going to come deck
Speaker 3: collector in five years. No, Like I just he didn't
Speaker 3: make me feel like that. But anytime I would see him,
Speaker 3: he would always say, when you're ready to sign, please
Speaker 3: come to me first. Like, when you're ready, just come
Speaker 3: to me first. That's all I asked for. Just let
Speaker 3: me let's have a chat. Yeah. And I came back
Speaker 3: to him and I did the rounds and I went
Speaker 3: to different places and ended up at the first place.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is a fifteen grand world spend.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: Is he does know what he's doing. I remember when
Speaker 3: I signed, he clutched the contract and he was like,
Speaker 3: I won, I beat them are It's very competitive. He's
Speaker 3: a very competitive He's.
Speaker 2: A guy you want on your side. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So then your debut album, is that going to come
Speaker 2: out this year? We'd have to talk about that at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's not going to come out this year.
Speaker 3: This year, I'm releasing what I'm calling a project just
Speaker 3: because I don't want to. First of all, it's only
Speaker 3: eight songs, so for me, that's not like an album.
Speaker 3: And also, I feel like I've progressed so much from
Speaker 3: these songs because last year when I actually wanted to,
Speaker 3: when I was meant to put out this project, there
Speaker 3: was just a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: like I changed management, I went through a really rough
Speaker 3: time personally. I was on the road a lot, and
Speaker 3: I always believe in like I believe in God, so
Speaker 3: I believe in God's plans. I think it just wasn't
Speaker 3: the right time. So these songs I've actually lived with
Speaker 3: for quite a while, and now as an artist, I've
Speaker 3: progressed a lot from these songs, so I felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, I could just add a few more new
Speaker 3: songs to it and chuck it out and be like,
Speaker 3: here's the album, but this isn't who I want to
Speaker 3: show myself as like a debut album, So I'm kind
Speaker 3: of just calling it a project. I know people will
Speaker 3: listen to some people will listen to it maybe and
Speaker 3: call it an album because for them it feels like that,
Speaker 3: which makes me happy because I always feel like, even
Speaker 3: if it's an EP, you should always be trying to
Speaker 3: put out album worthy music. Pardon me, Yeah, but it's
Speaker 3: a project and then album will come next year.
Speaker 2: Nice, feeling good about it all. Everything seems to be
Speaker 2: going well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling very good. I'm feeling really positive, and
Speaker 3: I think it's just because I've got my like a
Speaker 3: bit more of my self confidence back. Last year winning
Speaker 3: a soundpole, as amazing as it was, it really knocked
Speaker 3: my confidence to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get the pressure of like what do I do now?
Speaker 2: They don't have to live up to the fact that
Speaker 2: people are saying I'm the next big thing.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly that, and it just started to make me question, like,
Speaker 3: am I actually that good? Have I tricked these people?
Speaker 3: Like for legit? For a long time, I was like,
Speaker 3: they're going to realize I'm a fraud, like and they've
Speaker 3: given me this thing and I don't deserve it, and
Speaker 3: I'm actually not that good. And I just for a
Speaker 3: long time just had this self doubt and just felt
Speaker 3: like I'm not good enough. And I felt like every
Speaker 3: show I was doing, because I knew that people like
Speaker 3: in the industry and stuff were coming to see me,
Speaker 3: to be like, who is this sound Pole winner, I
Speaker 3: felt like it was always a test, like I'm being
Speaker 3: tested and I have to live up to this expectation.
Speaker 3: And it was just a lot of pressure, and I
Speaker 3: just I just didn't believe in myself anymore. But I
Speaker 3: feel like after a while got over that, and it
Speaker 3: took a lot of like growing and changing, but I'm
Speaker 3: now in a place where I found myself confidence again
Speaker 3: and confidence in my writing and my music.
Speaker 2: Was there any one thing that kind of got you
Speaker 2: out of that? Was it just time you just had?
Speaker 3: Not? You know, it was God. For a lot of people,
Speaker 3: they can't relate to that sore not religious, but I
Speaker 3: really feel like I was brought back to a great
Speaker 3: place because I was just praying a lot, even like
Speaker 3: I did a fars so for a week, I wasn't
Speaker 3: eating until like six pe and then I was praying
Speaker 3: every three hours, and I just felt such a huge
Speaker 3: change in myself and my way of thinking. I think
Speaker 3: for some people who maybe don't believe in that, they'll
Speaker 3: see that it was more of like meditation. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it just changed me as a person, Like I was
Speaker 3: just a lot more like lighter, happier, more myself, whereas
Speaker 3: before I was like really grumpy and I used to
Speaker 3: be really negative about everything and being a positive person before.
Speaker 3: It was just such a shift and being able to
Speaker 3: go back to that person where like I can now
Speaker 3: enjoy my job again was just really amazing. Like I
Speaker 3: just put it down to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what did you spend the fifteen grand on it?
Speaker 2: The video for fifty fifteen?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a video for fifty to fifty
Speaker 3: and radio and press. Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great video.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's still a great video. They're all your friends in
Speaker 2: that video. They the friends that helped that would be
Speaker 2: like hit somebody from studio time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them, Yeah, some of them my title,
Speaker 3: I've got like four best friends, so we're all like
Speaker 3: in a group together. So yeah, they're all in the video.
Speaker 2: That was kind of a bit of a little bit
Speaker 2: of a turning point, right that video. The video was
Speaker 2: like the moment when people are like, right, black, check
Speaker 2: that out. Who's this amazing? Could you see the money?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it unless there's anything else. No,
Speaker 2: have you felt about the good Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah good.
Speaker 2: It's not quite a meal around Jesse Ware. I mean,
Speaker 2: next time it's okay, I meant not even for me.
Speaker 2: It's time we're hooking up some Japanese food. Yeah, very much.
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