WEBVTT - Ep 56: Ray BLK

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<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are again thank you for joining me for

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<v Speaker 2>episode fifty six of Midnight Chats. The date today is

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<v Speaker 2>October the eleventh, twenty eighteen, and that means nothing, doesn't it,

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<v Speaker 2>because you could be listening to this at any point

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<v Speaker 2>in the future, but that is when this podcast is

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<v Speaker 2>going up. We do these once a week, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>currently in series six of this. I think we've got

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<v Speaker 2>about another six to go after this one. In series six.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you've been enjoying it so far. We've had

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you about this week's guest.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Black is a young singer from Catford in South London.

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<v Speaker 2>She's currently twenty five years old, and she came to

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<v Speaker 2>our office to record this episode a couple of weeks back.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got some building work going on outside directly outside

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<v Speaker 2>our window, which is hell and they behave themselves until

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably about twenty five minutes into this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>If you start to think that what you can hear

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<v Speaker 2>is thunder in your headphones, it's not. It's people with

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<v Speaker 2>cranes moving containers around. But that is on the recording,

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<v Speaker 2>So don't think that you're going insane apologies for that,

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<v Speaker 2>there was nothing we could do about it. Hopefully it

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<v Speaker 2>won't ruin the enjoyment of the podcast too much. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it will, because Ray black Back is a

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<v Speaker 2>very fun, funny and charming person, as I found out

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<v Speaker 2>when I met her for this podcast. We don't tend

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<v Speaker 2>to do many edits on these conversations, as you've probably realized,

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<v Speaker 2>but we do generally have to clear up a few bits,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we normally maybe cut it down a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit here and there, and we tied it up

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast, I have not edited at all. What you

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<v Speaker 2>will hear is exactly as it was, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>first time that's happened. And it's because essentially Ray is

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<v Speaker 2>just a very just a good talker. She's very good

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<v Speaker 2>at it, and I had a really good time talking

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<v Speaker 2>to her. She went to the same university as me,

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<v Speaker 2>and we do get stuck on that point a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe because I'm a bit too keen to reminisce about

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<v Speaker 2>my university days. But it was at Brunell University where

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<v Speaker 2>she recorded her first mixtape. It was a mini album

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<v Speaker 2>called Dirt. You can check out both of these records

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<v Speaker 2>still obviously and from Dirt. She was the first artists

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<v Speaker 2>to win the BBC Sound of Poll as an unsigned artist,

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't have a record deal, she didn't have any

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<v Speaker 2>money behind her pushing her or you know, big budgets,

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<v Speaker 2>and she still managed to win that pole at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of twenty seventeen. As I say, I really enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>recording this episode, so please do enjoy it, and thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to Ray coming by the office. And hey, if you

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<v Speaker 2>love Spotify and you can't get enough of that app

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<v Speaker 2>in your life, then we are on there now. So basically,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't care where you listen to this podcast, but

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<v Speaker 2>if it makes it easier for you because it's on Spotify,

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<v Speaker 2>then that's nothing but a good thing. Please do check

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<v Speaker 2>back next week. We will be here again next Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>at midnight. It's completely irrelevant because you can listen to

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<v Speaker 2>it at any point afterwards, but hey, it's called midnight Chat,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have to we have to make something of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy this chat. Thank you very much for listening. Until

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<v Speaker 2>next time. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>I starting my own podcast. This is yeah, it looks

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<v Speaker 3>fairly simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Ware has got a good one where she cooks

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<v Speaker 2>the meal with her.

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<v Speaker 3>Mom, yeah, I've heard of that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wish I'd come up with that idea.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the idea I want to go on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why you should be going on, because then you

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<v Speaker 2>get and here, we don't even have hot chocolate for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not it's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing? How's things going? It's good, exciting times,

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<v Speaker 2>new music. The first thing I wanted to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you about, though, was we went to the same university.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Shane told me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got. I only found this out yesterday googles.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing my googles and I got quite excited

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<v Speaker 2>because no one ever went to my university. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>rare you meet someone that went to Brunelle University or

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<v Speaker 2>do you meet do you meet people?

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<v Speaker 3>If I don't meet people who have been there, then

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<v Speaker 3>I meet people that know somebody and then oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>my friend, my cousin. Okay, it's just basic cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you what campus were you? Were you in the

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<v Speaker 2>Oxbridge campus? Yes, yeah, there's another one. There's a pretty one, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I found this out in my third year or

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<v Speaker 2>something when I went to DJ at the other campus.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's in osterly which is which is basically

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of sorry near. It's really like their campus

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<v Speaker 2>is like got all the beauty and our campus just

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<v Speaker 2>got concrete.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's they've got this massive run in track they've got

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<v Speaker 2>it's like an old building and it's like looks like

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<v Speaker 2>like a red brick UNI like somewhere. It's just really,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like the nice one. It's not the seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>One, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We should explain to anyone. Yeah it is. We should

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<v Speaker 2>probably explain to anyone listening that doesn't know Oxbridge Brunel University.

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<v Speaker 2>How would you explain our campus.

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<v Speaker 3>Basic like this issue. There's nothing to it. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>like the building doesn't look exciting. Do you know what?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually it looks like offices. You could just be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>some office is there. Yeah, it doesn't really look like

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<v Speaker 3>a UNI campus. There's just loads of walking space, some

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<v Speaker 3>statues oddly placed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really it's where they filmed The Clockwork Orange.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, have you seen that film.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically it's like a Stanley Kubrick film from the seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty fucked up, but it's what they thought the

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<v Speaker 2>future was going to look like. In the seventies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the films, the scenes they filmed at

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<v Speaker 2>our university are the scenes where he's in a mental

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<v Speaker 2>institution or prison.

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<v Speaker 3>Accurate, very accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope that will give listeners a good indication

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<v Speaker 2>of what it was like to go.

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<v Speaker 3>To definitely felt like prison. Sometimes, what were you?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you in the posh halls? There's ten years between us,

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<v Speaker 2>so it might have changed lots by the time you

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<v Speaker 2>were there. But were you in the what what halls

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<v Speaker 2>of residence were you? I was?

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the ship place, say ship on the Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the ship place. I was at mill Hall.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was. Yeah, duty like mill Hall is

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<v Speaker 3>actually disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is, I was about to say to you,

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the posh ones. I was in Millhall

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<v Speaker 2>when I was when I was there, that was the

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<v Speaker 2>that was.

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<v Speaker 3>That was. I was trying to escape Mill Hall to

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<v Speaker 3>go to someone called Girl Braith. Everyone was trying to escape,

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<v Speaker 3>like I kept trying to ask to get moved. You

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<v Speaker 3>just make up some sort of thing like, oh my

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<v Speaker 3>drains blocked, blah blah, I think there's a murderer in here,

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<v Speaker 3>like anything, make up anything to try and.

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<v Speaker 2>Get out would work.

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<v Speaker 3>Like nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So when okay, maybe it must have changed a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was there, Mill Hall was it was the

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<v Speaker 2>posh one because we had our own bathrooms, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>some of them this is showing my age, some of

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<v Speaker 2>them they didn't. You know, you had to share a

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<v Speaker 2>bathroom with five other people and a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 2>who went to my school and he came to the

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<v Speaker 2>union at the same time as me. He was in

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<v Speaker 2>one over the other side of the campus and it

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<v Speaker 2>was his block where they filmed the prison scenes and

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<v Speaker 2>that was where he had been dumb. So I felt

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<v Speaker 2>quite lucky. But fine, I'm guessing it's changed. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>been back since?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I haven't, you know, I haven't. But I can't

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<v Speaker 3>imagine sharing bathroom five other people. I saw that on

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<v Speaker 3>the application. I was just like, who's doing this? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>who's picking this one to share with? Like five disgusting,

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<v Speaker 3>horny eighteen year old gross?

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<v Speaker 2>Really gross? Did you enjoy it though? How was your

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<v Speaker 2>unique experience?

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<v Speaker 3>Mine was really average? Like so average. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>everyone's got stories, particularly of their first year of like

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<v Speaker 3>getting drunk, catching the first year flu or whatever they

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<v Speaker 3>call it, fresh as flu. I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 3>and just like their wild experiences and mine was so

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<v Speaker 3>dry because I foolishly got a boyfriend before us started JUNI,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just had me on lockdown like I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>doing I wasn't going to any part, Like I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>make friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you spend a lot of your weekends back

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<v Speaker 2>like away from camp?

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<v Speaker 3>No? So heat, And I'm really still angry about this.

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<v Speaker 3>He would spend every day at Miuni that he would

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<v Speaker 3>come and stay at my home, okay, but he would

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<v Speaker 3>come and stay at my whole. So the thing is,

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<v Speaker 3>like I asked several times, like can I just get

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of space, like I'm new, I'm not making

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<v Speaker 3>any friends, blah blah blah, and he would either like

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<v Speaker 3>break down into tears or make up some ludicrous story,

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<v Speaker 3>the worst of them being when I said, okay, I've

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<v Speaker 3>had enough, like we need to break up because like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very much my own person and you're just intruding

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<v Speaker 3>in my space. And he made up that his friend

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<v Speaker 3>had cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, So I couldn't break up with him.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you find out he'd made this?

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<v Speaker 3>Ye? How do you do that? A year later?

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<v Speaker 2>So you stayed with him four years?

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly, I was a much nicer person back then. No,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I felt so bad. I felt like such a

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<v Speaker 3>horrible person. So I had to stay with him and

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<v Speaker 3>then eventually I just kind of got comfortable with it.

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<v Speaker 3>But like that was the worst mistake ever until so

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<v Speaker 3>I asked him, like, hold on, what about your friend

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<v Speaker 3>that you said like lived in Manchester And he was

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<v Speaker 3>like what, what's like the one with cancer And he

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, yeah, he's good. Like also the cancer

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<v Speaker 3>just disappeared cancer yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so that was the final straw where you like,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to go now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think like two months after that we broke up,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're still much I was comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, this is an ideal, but I mean it's easy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's easy, Like I'm getting dinners, you know, getting looked after.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a shame. So I know there were there

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<v Speaker 2>were a few people, like there's always someone who's got

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<v Speaker 2>a boyfriend who comes and stays, yeah, and it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to like become Yeah, that person does end up not

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<v Speaker 2>being as like part of the gang as much, which

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<v Speaker 2>is weird, which is a shame, Like, yeah, did you

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<v Speaker 2>get to go to enjoy any of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but like eventually I made some friends. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think actually it was a gift that I had a

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<v Speaker 3>boyfriend at the time who was taking up space, because

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<v Speaker 3>they turned out to be dickheads. Like I'm I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>much a girl's girl, so I've got a very tight

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<v Speaker 3>like friendship group of girls. But they were like those

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<v Speaker 3>girls that people talk about, like mean girls, Like they

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<v Speaker 3>all chat shit about each other and they're jealous of

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<v Speaker 3>each other, and this person wants to have this person's boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just got out of that group quite quickly

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<v Speaker 3>after anyway. And then I'd say I started enjoying my

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<v Speaker 3>unique experience in my final year, which is the year

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<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't be enjoying UNI. Yes, when you're meant to

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<v Speaker 3>be focused. And I didn't do my dissertation. You didn't

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<v Speaker 3>do it until No, I did it eventually, but five

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<v Speaker 3>days before it was dish was when I started to

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<v Speaker 3>Because you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Just having a good time, Yeah, Like I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Living my best life. I was hanging with Stormsy, was

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<v Speaker 3>like doing shows and stuff. I was making a mixtape.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going out partying and making friends like in

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<v Speaker 3>the music industry and stuff. Yeah, so I just wasn't bothered.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also I felt like everyone's working too hard.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. For some reason, I felt like it's

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<v Speaker 3>not that serious, Like if we're doing English, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>like we're not going to be doctors. Fine, did you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That final year? Were you living because you would have

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<v Speaker 2>been living off campus by then, Yeah, were you really

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<v Speaker 2>in close? Still? Were you still in the Uxbridge chet?

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so funny. So my friend and I were

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<v Speaker 3>illegally sharing a campus room, so you put it, we

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<v Speaker 3>put it on someone else's name, and we were both

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<v Speaker 3>like part time living in the room and like splitting

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<v Speaker 3>the money career. So yeah, that was like the chill room,

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<v Speaker 3>Like oh yeah, if you want to hang, you want

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<v Speaker 3>to sleep there, if you want to bring a boy

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<v Speaker 3>over whatever like that was yeah, okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's been quite good your Uni experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you miss having been to that university.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you missed that much. I did have

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<v Speaker 2>a good time, but as we say, there was so

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<v Speaker 2>much concrete knocking about. It was quite an oppressive place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you were studying English, English literature. Had you always been

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<v Speaker 2>a big reader ever since you were like a small kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, until I started UNI. Then I hated it because

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<v Speaker 3>then it became a chore. But I used to love

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<v Speaker 3>reading all the time. I was never like nerdy or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I just really enjoyed reading. It was just like a

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<v Speaker 3>good past time for me. So I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>they still have them these days, but they used to

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<v Speaker 3>have like a mobile library, yeah, those buses. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>I would always like be waiting at the window for

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<v Speaker 3>the mobile library to come so I can run and

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<v Speaker 3>switch my book. And I remember at the time, I

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<v Speaker 3>was obsessed with a series of unfortunate events leimonies. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was just like waiting for the next one,

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<v Speaker 3>like ready to switch it up. So yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 3>love to reading.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are your favorite writers? Do they change over time

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<v Speaker 2>or do you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? They I don't know they change over time. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't I've never like followed an author, like read all

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<v Speaker 3>of their books or anything, but I currently maybe like

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<v Speaker 3>chim Amanda Adici, just because the experience is that she

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<v Speaker 3>writes about I've experienced and I can relate to and

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<v Speaker 3>it's about my culture as a Nigerian.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you did your dissertation as well?

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<v Speaker 3>So my dissertation was on postcolonial literature. Yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 3>loss of identity in Africa. So one of her books,

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<v Speaker 3>I used China Bay's books. Yeah cool, Yeah, sounds really serious.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds really academic. How did you do in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you get? A good?

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<v Speaker 3>It's fucking good, like as in I don't understand good.

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<v Speaker 3>Like after I got results, I was like, yo, Unie's fake,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't understand why people make it out like

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<v Speaker 3>UNI's this really hard struggle and stuff, because I was

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<v Speaker 3>very much a last minute person, Like eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 3>my courseworks were handed in a day late, right, so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like gets tapped whatever. I was just like

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't gonna get an A plus in the first place,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not all that serious. And then in the end

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up getting a two to one and like

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<v Speaker 3>a distinction on my dissertation that I did in five days,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt I found it so funny. I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of gloated a little bit because there was this one

0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:42.119
<v Speaker 3>Boffing used to like talk about and gossip about me

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<v Speaker 3>and my best friend Abby Girl because we used to

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<v Speaker 3>both like slack all the time, and she like gave

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<v Speaker 3>us a proper Helen off because we went to see

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<v Speaker 3>Beyonce on the day. On the day our courseworke was you?

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<v Speaker 3>She asked us like, oh, you've done your coursework? Is

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<v Speaker 3>it the date was due? And we were like, well no,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was like, oh, what are you going to

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<v Speaker 3>be in like the library doing it all day? Like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna go se Beyonce today. So she was livid

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<v Speaker 3>when she found out that we got the same fucking grade.

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<v Speaker 3>She got the same as well, work smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel for her. In our house at UNI,

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<v Speaker 2>there were three of us and I was middling. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I got two one, but I got a

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<v Speaker 2>two to one. You know, what is it sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>or something you need for a two one? I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's still a two one.

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<v Speaker 3>Clear.

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<v Speaker 2>My one of my friends worked madly for a first.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one percent in a two to one, and

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<v Speaker 2>my other friend slept in his shoes. He was one

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys. He could have been woted to get

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<v Speaker 2>undressed to get into bed, that's how lazy it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And he snuck inside the two one and we all

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<v Speaker 2>got exactly the same grades. And I felt for my

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<v Speaker 2>friend Rob because he's like he deserved, like he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like a square he still had fun, but he he

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<v Speaker 2>was like. I was like, man, I'd be so mad

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<v Speaker 2>at the guy who slept in his shoes last night

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<v Speaker 2>right now, because that's unfair, because James life fat. He

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<v Speaker 2>was bad. He works in that bar, a bar in

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<v Speaker 2>town called bar Rouche. I don't know if that's still there,

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<v Speaker 2>but like it's a weird place is in elkxwidg because

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<v Speaker 2>there's no like student vibe if you go into the town.

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<v Speaker 2>They hate the students that it's not like you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a university town and London's so far in London's like

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<v Speaker 2>an hour away on the tube, so you're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stranded in this weird like campus and there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Really not much to offer in terms of places to eat,

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<v Speaker 3>places to shop, so we all end up wearing the

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<v Speaker 3>same clothes all the time because we're all shopping at

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<v Speaker 3>that top shop with the limited supply and eating at

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<v Speaker 3>the same place all the time time. And yeah, it was,

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<v Speaker 3>it was weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah after Uni, did you move back to Camford?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Great, still that you're you're there now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, no, no, I've moved now, But yeah I

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<v Speaker 3>moved there. I think like two months after my friends

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<v Speaker 3>and I decided that we were just going to party

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<v Speaker 3>at UNI, which was stupid because the party and was done.

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<v Speaker 2>You were just getting into it. As soon as it's empty,

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, okay, exactly, like, no, no, I've got too much, Like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, I'm just getting into.

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<v Speaker 3>That, Lily, I'm finally free. But yeah, I moved shortly after.

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<v Speaker 3>And then and then I worked in PR for a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, what was that in music PR?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it was in corporate PR, which was really dry,

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<v Speaker 3>and I hated everybody I worked with, and I hated

0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.399
<v Speaker 3>the campaigns I worked on. I just hated everything about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like that was what gave me the

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<v Speaker 3>drive to get into music, because I was I was

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<v Speaker 3>working from what like eight o'clock till five o'clock or

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<v Speaker 3>six sometimes, and in the evening, I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>the studio, so I'd go straight from there to the

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<v Speaker 3>studio and i'd be there for like two am. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that those six months, I've got no

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<v Speaker 3>more than four and a half hours sleep every night.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just had to get out of there. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I have to make this mixtape and it

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<v Speaker 3>has to be it has to save me because I

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<v Speaker 3>can't be here anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this your first mixtape?

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<v Speaker 3>No? So that was Yeah. My first mixtape was while

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I was still at Uni. Then when I came out,

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<v Speaker 3>I made my first sorry mini album. I called it

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<v Speaker 3>called Dirt. Yeah, so I was making that and I

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't signed anything yet, and I was just like, I

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<v Speaker 3>just need to sign a publishing deal so I can

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<v Speaker 3>get out of this hell hole.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and you did it amazing. The first one

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<v Speaker 2>was Hammersham, which you did whilst at Unich. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>was that just what kind of had you ever thought

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<v Speaker 2>about it? Because you love books and novels. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever thought you were going to be a novelist or

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<v Speaker 2>a writer? Or did you? When did you think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to make music?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? I think like I had always been making music

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<v Speaker 3>from when I was really young, so I always knew

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to be a singer and songwriter. I considered

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<v Speaker 3>being a novelist, but I just don't have the attentions

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:29.120
<v Speaker 3>fan like, I can't I can't be dedicated to something

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<v Speaker 3>like that for so long. And I feel like writing

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.199
<v Speaker 3>a book is really hard. Yeah, it's not easy, like

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<v Speaker 3>it's entertaining when you read it. But I realized very quickly,

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<v Speaker 3>because once I tried to, I was like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to start writing a book, like I can do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Wrote the first bit and I was like fuck, like

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<v Speaker 3>where does it go from it? Do I write twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four more chapters? And the rest of this chapter? Like

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<v Speaker 3>it was just it was too much. So I never

0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.399
<v Speaker 3>thought i'd do that. I did thought. I did think, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>that I would do journalism. I thought maybe I could

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 3>be a music journalist. Yeah.

0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 2>My my wife's a massive book riches, loves books, big reader.

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<v Speaker 2>She's an academic, but she as when she was younger.

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<v Speaker 2>She when she was a kid, she'd try to write

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<v Speaker 2>books and she'd get bored instantly and think, ship, like

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<v Speaker 2>where's this going? So she'd just kill everyone in the book.

0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>But everyone was done. Yeah, everyone just dies and then

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<v Speaker 2>then that's the end. But the books like three pages long.

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that started off. Really, it starts off with all

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 2>these great intentions and it's beautifully descriptive. It's like, oh,

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:38.400
<v Speaker 2>this kid's really got something, and then they all die

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 2>in a car crash.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, I'll give her some credit. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>short story.

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<v Speaker 2>A short story accounts cool. So you so when you

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.399
<v Speaker 2>started making your Habersham. Were you just doing that in

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<v Speaker 2>your in your mill hall, your your door.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, for the most part I was writing it

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<v Speaker 3>in my in my halls to the nuisance of my housemates,

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<v Speaker 3>just like stop singing at two am. See. I was

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 3>writing it there and then recording it, luckily not for

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<v Speaker 3>actually in Wembley. So I met Stormsey I think the

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<v Speaker 3>year before. Where did you meet him? At a like

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<v Speaker 3>a local talent show. So my best friend, the one

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<v Speaker 3>I met at UNI, she when I told when she

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<v Speaker 3>found out I could sing, she was like, oh my god,

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 3>like there's stuff going on in my ends. She was

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<v Speaker 3>from Croydon. She was like, you have to start coming

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<v Speaker 3>with me. So she took me to this like local

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 3>talent show thing and I think Stormsy was judging that

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 3>year and that that was one of her clost friends.

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<v Speaker 3>So she introduced us and yeah, we just knew each

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<v Speaker 3>other from there.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you did you win the show?

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:51.960
<v Speaker 3>I did enter? I did enter? Did I win? I didn't?

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<v Speaker 3>And I entered for like a like an open mic

0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.280
<v Speaker 3>section of it, So I wasn't like in the competition.

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.640
<v Speaker 3>It's like an open mic type of bit anyone here

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 3>want to sing? That kind of vibe. Yeah, and then

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 3>he had he was making his first EP at the time,

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 3>Dreamer's Disease, and I asked him, like, where are you recording?

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 3>And so he hooked me up with this engineer called

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.119
<v Speaker 3>six who was in Wembley, which was perfect because that

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.400
<v Speaker 3>was so close to Brunel. So I was recording that

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 3>there at the same time.

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 2>And then that EP ends up to him really well,

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:29.119
<v Speaker 2>and you're still at Union at that point when you

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 2>put it.

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 3>On nine Yeah, and.

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 2>What was that, like, what was the what was the

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 2>initial reaction? Like, did it instantly just go?

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:40.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, it felt It wasn't instant, but it felt instant.

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 3>So like obviously in the first like two weeks, three weeks,

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 3>I was just getting like a couple hundred listens, which

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:51.919
<v Speaker 3>to me was amazing. Yeah, oh my god, two hundred

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 3>people have listened to my song.

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:56.919
<v Speaker 2>Like it wasn't you refreshing?

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 3>Possibly I was just like, wait, I don't even know

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 3>two hunding people though, so they're not even just my friends. Yeah,

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 3>So that just really that just really guessed me. And

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 3>then bit by a bit it just started growing because

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 3>I started like hanging out in certain groups that I like,

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 3>so people I was listening to on SoundCloud. I noticed

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 3>that they were doing the same shows, like in Hoxton

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 3>or Shoreditch and these like underground venues, mostly at like birthdays.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 3>There was this place called Soulful Sundays or something at

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.919
<v Speaker 3>Box Park and Shoreditch. So I just kind of started

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 3>going there and meeting people and telling them like, oh, yeah,

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 3>I sing, like here's my link, listen to my songs,

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 3>or like sending it to people at magazines and stuff

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 3>and being like, oh, like please write about my song

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 3>if you like it, and then like it started getting attention.

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.880
<v Speaker 3>So it was it was really quite organic. I say,

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 3>did you.

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Have any help with that? Did you have like someone

0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 2>managing you or even a mate helping out or was

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.360
<v Speaker 2>it was just you.

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.679
<v Speaker 3>Just well in terms of the creation, all of my

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 3>friends like helped with that, as in as soon as

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 3>I said, like, I want to be a singer and

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:09.639
<v Speaker 3>I sent them one of my songs, they were like,

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, you're gonna blow. Like you know, friends,

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 3>just come up, You're gonna blow. So they all put

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 3>money together and like help pay for some of my

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 3>studio time and help pay for me to do a shoot,

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 3>to get my cover art and the person who made

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 3>that and and yend was just really supportful and came

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 3>to all of my shows.

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>That's good, friend. My friends don't do that. My friends

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.639
<v Speaker 2>have even read my magazine once we made one hundred

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>and twenty eight.

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 3>Get some new friends, man.

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Esus, I need your friends, that's all.

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:44.479
<v Speaker 3>We're all.

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing though, that they do that for you, just

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 2>on on, just to support you. That's quite an amazing thing.

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're amazing.

0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow. So then it kind of takes off. Then it

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>takes off, then you get your job in so this

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 2>pr job whereabouts? Was that in the center of town?

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 3>That was in Hoven?

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Can you are you allowed to say anything about the

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 2>brands that you're working on or anything.

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 3>I was working on like Vauxhall, no Volkswagen. Sorry that

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 3>big big brands like soap brands.

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 2>How do you how do you prs soap brand? Honestly,

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 2>how do you get people to write about soap?

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Do you know? I learned a lot while I was there.

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:39.239
<v Speaker 3>I realized everything is fake, Like everything you read in

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 3>the news and all of that, like it's all fake.

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 3>Because so basically how you get pressed for a soap

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 3>brand would be we'd get some random scientists somewhere some

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 3>universities looking for a quick buck and get them to

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 3>do some research about how I don't know, like if

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 3>you wash your clothes with a particular type of soap,

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 3>then you're less likely to have cancer, like something that ridiculous,

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, Like, oh, the pearls or

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 3>the granules in this thing is actually bad for you

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 3>because it means more children will get chicken pops or

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 3>whatever if you wash this, if you use this to

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 3>wash your children's clothes. So we'd get them to do that,

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 3>then we would basically sell that piece of material or

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 3>try and get that out to newspapers and say, you know,

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 3>this is the new discovery we've made, because that sounds

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 3>like a big headline like so and so, Yeah, so

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 3>and so causes cancer, do you know what I mean?

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 3>And then there they'll slide in the brand that we're

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 3>trying to sell to be like so and so brand

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 3>actually doesn't cause cancer. And that's how you do pr

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 3>for stuff like that, and then people will end up

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 3>buying that like idiots.

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Having worked on that, has it made you when you

0:29:55.920 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 2>read the newspaper news stories like that, it made you

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 2>just think I don't believe anything like this is all

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I know exactly how this works. And while they're saying this,

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>it's just nonsense.

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Like a little while ago, there was this thing about

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 3>bottles not using the same bottle for too long. Yeah,

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 3>yeah that water bottles don't use the same bottle for

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 3>too long because it builds up too much bacteria and

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 3>you'll get sick and stuff like that. And I was like,

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 3>they're just trying to sell more bottles, like I just

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 3>want you to buy a new one. They realized, Oh,

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.719
<v Speaker 3>people are just refilling the everyone with tap water. Now

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 3>let's tell them to buy more. Like that's what I

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 3>felt anyway.

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true, but so many people. Yeah, full for that.

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.479
<v Speaker 2>Maybe everyone needs to go and work in pr. How

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 2>long were you there for?

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Six months or seven months?

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, long enough?

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And then.

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 2>So after that, so you did make dirt And then

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.040
<v Speaker 2>is that when you left? Did you leave off the

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>back of that? Is that what enabled you to leave

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that job? Or did you just have enough and just

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 2>think I've got to get out of here and then

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll work it out when I got out.

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 3>No, so so do It actually didn't come out until

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 3>the year after I left so I think that was

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 3>maybe like that was twenty fifteen when I was there

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 3>and I was in the process of making Dirt, and

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 3>then I signed a publishing deal before Christmas, so in December,

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 3>and once I knew like it was in the works,

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>I was basically like deal six, Like I am out.

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 3>My lawyer's handling this, so it's really happening. This isn't

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 3>because it was like we're talking about it for a while,

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 3>and for like two months I was there, like when

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 3>people would like give me a heat load of work

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 3>on my desk at six o'clock when I'm meant to

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 3>be going. In my head, I'm like, I don't need

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 3>to do this shit, Like why am I still here?

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 3>I've got something in the pipeline. But I just had

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 3>to firm it and just stay there until it was

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 3>like really happening. And then I think like a week

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 3>before Christmas, that's what I was freed. Yeah, I was

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 3>like I'm.

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Out, I'm out here. So how does the how did

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 2>your publishing deal come about? Did you have a manager

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>by then?

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes, then I had a manager. I had I met

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 3>the manager I think like two months to when I

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 3>finished UNI, like two months before and then he started

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>getting me in studio sessions I can make the project,

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 3>and just taking meetings with publishing labels and some record labels.

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 3>But at that point it was way too early to

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 3>sign a deal.

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, were you already being offered deals at that point?

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not like anything concrete on the table, like in paperwork,

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 3>but from from like when I released Havisham, like the

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 3>first two months of it being out, labels were reaching out,

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 3>and I think I found out from that that you

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 3>never know where your music is going. Like for new

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>artists trying to be seen and heard, you think maybe

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 3>no one's taking notice, but like there are scouts at

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 3>labels who their job is to just go through SoundCloud

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 3>link after link and YouTube and watch this and go

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 3>to these random shows where only twenty people are there

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 3>to discover unfound talent. So from really early on, labels

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 3>were reaching.

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Out, but you didn't. What I think it's amazing is

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 2>that you didn't sign a deal early on, And yeah,

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>it was actually quite a while until you signed a

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 2>deal because you put dirt out yourself and then you

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>won the BBC Sound of Pole as the first person

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that was unsigned to win that pole, and that's at

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of twenty seventeen. Yes, And at that point

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>did you then go, well, first of all, let's talk

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>about that. I mean, that's like a massive pole at

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the year, which kind of sets the

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 2>tone for new music for the year here in the UK.

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>What was it like to win it? Like, did you

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 2>have any inkland Does that kind of thing just pop

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>up like one day you just find out or so?

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 3>I didn't have an inkling that I would win, but

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 3>I knew that I was. I was going to be

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 3>like Top five because in the run up to the

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 3>announcement they start doing like filming with all of the

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.479
<v Speaker 3>people who have made like Top five. So I knew

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 3>from the amount of like stuff they were asking me

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 3>to commit to, like oh, can we film in your

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 3>area on this day? Can you do a performance? So

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 3>then my team knew that, oh, you'll probably do like

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 3>you'll be on Top five. So I was like, okay, dope,

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 3>But that's all I thought would happen. And my team

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 3>actually knew a whole month before that I had won.

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 2>No people the keeping stuff from you, I don't know.

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 3>I guess it was a good surprise, to be.

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Fair, so that they obviously did a good job. If

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 2>did you have you had no inkling, So they did

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 2>a really good job of keeping that to themselves. No

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 2>time he walked into a.

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Round, I remember my radio person as well was asking

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 3>me like, oh, who do you think will we And

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 3>the conversation was very much like a regular like not me,

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Like she didn't say me, I didn't say me, and

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:10.919
<v Speaker 3>she was like, yeah, obviously there's a lot of hype

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 3>around this person, blah blah blah. Obviously like Rack and

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 3>bone Man. At the time, I had like a number

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.439
<v Speaker 3>one or two whatever whatever, so it was like, oh, yeah,

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 3>probably Rack and bone Man. Yeah, and that was it,

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 3>And like you knew the whole time this conversation I

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 3>had one. Yeah, it was. It was a really lovely surprise. Yeah,

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 3>such an honor.

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm guessing the day that comes out, did

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 2>you just go and get wrecked? What did you do?

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh? My life is so dry? That just sounded really cool.

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking, why didn't I do that? Why did

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 3>I even think of that? No, Like I just went

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 3>home and had dinner with my mom, like nothing else.

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 2>That is much cooler. That's a much cooler reaction. I'd

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 2>be like yeah, that was it.

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 3>I remember crying in the street though, well when you

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 3>found out. Yeah, So like when I found out, I

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 3>was just really overwhelmed and it didn't really sink in

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, wait what I think it was? Oh,

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember his name. One of the big presenters

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 3>at like BBC News with this massive like TV camera.

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 3>So I was trying to keep it together, like I'm

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 3>not going to cry on the news, Like me hold

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 3>it down. And then when I got out, I phoned

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 3>my mom and I had told her about the whole

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 3>process and everything was gone on. She's like, oh, okay, cool, cool.

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 3>And I had told her as well about like the

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 3>alumni and that like Adele and Sam Smith, Jesse j

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 3>had won all of that. And my mum is very

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 3>she's very, very supportive. She's one of those moms that

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 3>are like, you're going to win everything, Like she thinks

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 3>you're the best of everything you do. So she was like, oh,

0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 3>you'll obviously win, and I was just like here we

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 3>go again. So when I got out and I called

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 3>her and I told her once, she was laughing at

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 3>me being so emotional because I was like crying, and

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like I just can't believe it, like this

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 3>is insane, and she was like, I told you were

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 3>going to win. That's that's my mom.

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Like did she cook? Did she cook your special?

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:24.839
<v Speaker 3>She did?

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:27.800
<v Speaker 3>So sweet, that's nice.

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 2>So then after that, I imagine this question of like

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>should I sign a record label deal? I'm guessing at

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 2>that point did you just get overwhelmed with offers and yeah?

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 2>And did you get taken out for all the ready

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:43.760
<v Speaker 2>posh meals?

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Went to the nobs? How many?

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>How many meals did you tell? How many meals did

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 2>you get?

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Quite a few, Yes, quite a few. I remember going

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 3>to Nobu for the first time for a label and

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 3>to being like, ship, this is how these niggas living

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 3>like y'all living like this, like it's crazy, like the

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 3>bill coming to five hundred pounds, and I felt so bad. Yeah,

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 3>I felt awful. I'm good, I'm rinsing these people. But

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 3>my manager was lapping it up, like, next time we

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 3>need to order more.

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>That's nothing.

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:22.280
<v Speaker 3>You didn't have enough drinks.

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 2>We only hit five hundred?

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly?

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Is that the out of the places you were taking to,

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>is that is that the one that was like what

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 2>was the best? Was the best, the best meal you

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>got out, probably.

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 3>Nobody, because like, so I liked Japanese food already, but

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 3>I've never been to like an expensive Japanese place. So

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 3>going there and being like, oh my god, this is

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 3>what black cord is meant to taste, like like this

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 3>is crazy. It melts in my mouth because I love food,

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 3>love food so much. That was like, oh my god,

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 3>I've never tasted anything this. I remember. I was telling

0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 3>my friends about it for a week, like listen, we

0:38:59.160 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 3>need to try this.

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.319
<v Speaker 2>You need to get a record deal so you can go,

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>so you can. Have you been to Japan at all?

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I haven't. I haven't.

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I went a year and a half ago for the

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 2>first time. It's any time I've been. And that was

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 2>one of those moments where we did a feature with

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>a guy called gold Panda and he he's from the UK,

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 2>but he lived in Japan. He speaks fluent Japanese. I

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>went on a little too with him for a feature

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 2>we did, and it was amazing because he could order

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 2>everything off of the menu and he could read all

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 2>the Japanese and stuff. But what it made me realize

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>was that the Japanese food we get here is not

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not it. It's not real at all. It's all

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 2>hard and cold and refrigerating. I'm sure you found this

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 2>when you're in Nobod that you tasted, you know, and

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh my god, I've been all of this

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 2>stuff I've been eating. It's not it. I'm sure you're

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>probably is a trip to Japan on the card. It

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 2>must be at some.

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.839
<v Speaker 3>Point at some point, definitely, So this is this isn't

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.359
<v Speaker 3>in or near Japan. But I've got quite a big

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 3>following in Taipei. It's really random, so yeah, go to Asia.

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I have no clue. It's literally like UK or London,

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 3>New York, Taipei, right ho, then Birmingham. It's really weird.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Take it. So you ended up signing to Ireland out

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 2>of is that did they take to? Were they no?

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Else? They didn't? That was I'm thinking to my name.

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 2>And shape, Where did Iland take?

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 3>You didn't take me nowhere until like later down the line.

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 3>But with Ireland they were actually the first record label

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.440
<v Speaker 3>I went to see that was the first one, and

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 3>that was during Havisham times, so no one had heard

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.400
<v Speaker 3>the newer content like how I had progressed or anything

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 3>like that. There wasn't a music video and darkest the

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:16.800
<v Speaker 3>President actually gave me like fifteen k, like no strings attached,

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 3>to get things started for myself.

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 3>He was just like, I really see potential in this.

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 3>And obviously I know you won't want to sign a

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:26.399
<v Speaker 3>record deal right now, but I just want to show

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 3>you how committed I am. And here's some money. Make

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 3>your first music video, get some pr you know, get

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 3>things off the ground for yourself. And he actually left

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 3>me alone. You know, most of the times like something

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 3>that's you'd think you owe them something, but he actually

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 3>left me alone.

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever felt like, speak of fifteen grand that's yours? Yeah,

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to ever call me again.

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be like I'd be like

0:41:55.080 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 3>this guy, yeah exactly. Catch it's going to come deck

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 3>collector in five years. No, Like I just he didn't

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 3>make me feel like that. But anytime I would see him,

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 3>he would always say, when you're ready to sign, please

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.399
<v Speaker 3>come to me first. Like, when you're ready, just come

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 3>to me first. That's all I asked for. Just let

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.879
<v Speaker 3>me let's have a chat. Yeah. And I came back

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 3>to him and I did the rounds and I went

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:24.320
<v Speaker 3>to different places and ended up at the first place.

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is a fifteen grand world spend.

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Really, he knows what he's doing.

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 3>Is he does know what he's doing. I remember when

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 3>I signed, he clutched the contract and he was like,

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 3>I won, I beat them are It's very competitive. He's

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 3>a very competitive He's.

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 2>A guy you want on your side. Yeah, for sure.

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:51.359
<v Speaker 2>So then your debut album, is that going to come

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 2>out this year? We'd have to talk about that at all.

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So it's not going to come out this year.

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 3>This year, I'm releasing what I'm calling a project just

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 3>because I don't want to. First of all, it's only

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 3>eight songs, so for me, that's not like an album.

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 3>And also, I feel like I've progressed so much from

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 3>these songs because last year when I actually wanted to,

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 3>when I was meant to put out this project, there

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 3>was just a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes,

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 3>like I changed management, I went through a really rough

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 3>time personally. I was on the road a lot, and

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 3>I always believe in like I believe in God, so

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 3>I believe in God's plans. I think it just wasn't

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 3>the right time. So these songs I've actually lived with

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 3>for quite a while, and now as an artist, I've

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 3>progressed a lot from these songs, so I felt like,

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, I could just add a few more new

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 3>songs to it and chuck it out and be like,

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 3>here's the album, but this isn't who I want to

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 3>show myself as like a debut album, So I'm kind

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:56.839
<v Speaker 3>of just calling it a project. I know people will

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 3>listen to some people will listen to it maybe and

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 3>call it an album because for them it feels like that,

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:03.759
<v Speaker 3>which makes me happy because I always feel like, even

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 3>if it's an EP, you should always be trying to

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:10.839
<v Speaker 3>put out album worthy music. Pardon me, Yeah, but it's

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 3>a project and then album will come next year.

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Nice, feeling good about it all. Everything seems to be

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 2>going well.

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm feeling very good. I'm feeling really positive, and

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I think it's just because I've got my like a

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.720
<v Speaker 3>bit more of my self confidence back. Last year winning

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 3>a soundpole, as amazing as it was, it really knocked

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 3>my confidence to it.

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, get the pressure of like what do I do now?

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 2>They don't have to live up to the fact that

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 2>people are saying I'm the next big thing.

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Exactly exactly that, and it just started to make me question, like,

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 3>am I actually that good? Have I tricked these people?

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Like for legit? For a long time, I was like,

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.879
<v Speaker 3>they're going to realize I'm a fraud, like and they've

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 3>given me this thing and I don't deserve it, and

0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually not that good. And I just for a

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.359
<v Speaker 3>long time just had this self doubt and just felt

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 3>like I'm not good enough. And I felt like every

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 3>show I was doing, because I knew that people like

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 3>in the industry and stuff were coming to see me,

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 3>to be like, who is this sound Pole winner, I

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 3>felt like it was always a test, like I'm being

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 3>tested and I have to live up to this expectation.

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 3>And it was just a lot of pressure, and I

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 3>just I just didn't believe in myself anymore. But I

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 3>feel like after a while got over that, and it

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 3>took a lot of like growing and changing, but I'm

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 3>now in a place where I found myself confidence again

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 3>and confidence in my writing and my music.

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Was there any one thing that kind of got you

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 2>out of that? Was it just time you just had?

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Not? You know, it was God. For a lot of people,

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 3>they can't relate to that sore not religious, but I

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 3>really feel like I was brought back to a great

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 3>place because I was just praying a lot, even like

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I did a fars so for a week, I wasn't

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 3>eating until like six pe and then I was praying

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.280
<v Speaker 3>every three hours, and I just felt such a huge

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 3>change in myself and my way of thinking. I think

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 3>for some people who maybe don't believe in that, they'll

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:13.839
<v Speaker 3>see that it was more of like meditation. But yeah,

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 3>it just changed me as a person, Like I was

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 3>just a lot more like lighter, happier, more myself, whereas

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 3>before I was like really grumpy and I used to

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:27.280
<v Speaker 3>be really negative about everything and being a positive person before.

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 3>It was just such a shift and being able to

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 3>go back to that person where like I can now

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 3>enjoy my job again was just really amazing. Like I

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 3>just put it down to that.

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and what did you spend the fifteen grand on it?

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 2>The video for fifty fifteen?

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Was it? Yeah?

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was a video for fifty to fifty

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:49.920
<v Speaker 3>and radio and press. Great.

0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great video.

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:51.840
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 2>It's still a great video. They're all your friends in

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 2>that video. They the friends that helped that would be

0:46:57.719 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 2>like hit somebody from studio time.

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some of them, Yeah, some of them my title,

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 3>I've got like four best friends, so we're all like

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:08.839
<v Speaker 3>in a group together. So yeah, they're all in the video.

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 2>That was kind of a bit of a little bit

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>of a turning point, right that video. The video was

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>like the moment when people are like, right, black, check

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 2>that out. Who's this amazing? Could you see the money?

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 3>I know?

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it unless there's anything else. No,

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>have you felt about the good Yeah?

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah good.

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:44.799
<v Speaker 2>It's not quite a meal around Jesse Ware. I mean,

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 2>next time it's okay, I meant not even for me.

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 2>It's time we're hooking up some Japanese food. Yeah, very much.

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