Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet Kramer an I'mheart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is very exciting because live from Wilmington, North Carolina. Sorry, oh,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry, Catherine, She's like you're a dorc. No,
Speaker 2: I am very excited to be here in Wilmington because
Speaker 2: we almost didn't make it to Wilmington. We did not
Speaker 2: we did, but we did, but we almost did not.
Speaker 2: So we had a four Well this is interesting. So
Speaker 2: we had a four to forty five pickup. What time
Speaker 2: do you think my alarm was set for for forty yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know me so absolutely is.
Speaker 1: I'm over here having to get up at four am
Speaker 1: to get ready, get dressed, drive to your house.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: The Lilentton minutes way.
Speaker 2: It's fine. My feelings are hurt, gather. No, I'm kidding. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm doing so hard, but I it gives Alan so
Speaker 2: much anxiety. Oh, I can only imagine. But what do
Speaker 2: you have to do in the morning if we have
Speaker 2: this discussion all the time, because I don't understand why
Speaker 2: he has to said his alarm for thirty minutes if
Speaker 2: everything is packed in your bag, well, obviously he's not here.
Speaker 2: But when we do go on vacations, and it has
Speaker 2: to be an early wake up. He's setting at least.
Speaker 2: I mean the minimum is thirty minutes before. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do you have to do? I do thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: I just I guess I just don't understand that because
Speaker 2: for me, are you really in the morning that early? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: My gross? Is it just my maybe because it's like
Speaker 2: if you shout I shower the night before, so like
Speaker 2: you're not. I don't sleeping. Oh see, I shower at
Speaker 2: night right.
Speaker 1: Which is also could be gross. But I don't shower
Speaker 1: at night. But I mean I have to for my hair,
Speaker 1: I have to at least get it wet. Okay, So
Speaker 1: but a lot of people would say it's really grossed
Speaker 1: down shower at night, so fair?
Speaker 2: And then brush your teeth, Yeah, brush youth. This is
Speaker 2: I have my clothes all laid out, my bag's already packed.
Speaker 2: I always have the bag. My bag was at the
Speaker 2: like little mud room area, had my purse. I mean
Speaker 2: all I had to do was literally brush my teeth
Speaker 2: and then put my clothes on, which are standing right there,
Speaker 2: shoes on out the door. Yeah, I mean you do
Speaker 2: it in five minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm my breast.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I was now like, tomorrow, I will not get in
Speaker 1: the shower.
Speaker 2: Damn right.
Speaker 3: In the same room.
Speaker 1: And so I too will get up five minutes before
Speaker 1: we have to leave.
Speaker 3: I'll be stressed.
Speaker 2: It'll be fine. It's so good. But we had a
Speaker 2: little bit of it. They had to de ice the
Speaker 2: plane this morning, which we had a decent layover. I
Speaker 2: go to Cat I said, hey, how's the layover looking.
Speaker 2: I think she said she You're like, We're fine. It's
Speaker 2: like fifteen You're like, yeah, how long is it?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, it's over an hour. And
Speaker 1: then next thing you know.
Speaker 2: We had to get ice from being de iced, and
Speaker 2: then they didn't have our gate when we did land.
Speaker 2: So when we landed in Atlanta, our plane was taking
Speaker 2: off in fifteen minutes and it was a thirteen minute
Speaker 2: walk to the next seen to eighteen minutes, eighteen minutes,
Speaker 2: And it was one of those where even if we
Speaker 2: sprinted for our lives, we would not have made it
Speaker 2: so with the trams and the trains and the Atlanta airport,
Speaker 2: but we so we ended up having a beautiful four
Speaker 2: hour layover Atlanta air and we made a tool mad
Speaker 2: to North Carolina.
Speaker 1: We Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2: We're here. We're here.
Speaker 1: I got it all done singing.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and so we've got a little concert tonight.
Speaker 2: Kate Rowele and I are singing and we are about
Speaker 2: to have her on the show, and then we are
Speaker 2: going to have Barbara Allan Woods on the show as well.
Speaker 2: So this is fun that we're able to be here.
Speaker 2: And you know, Catherine comes because she's a secret, well
Speaker 2: not anymore not a secret, but she's a One Tree
Speaker 2: Hill super fan.
Speaker 3: I love how this story has over the years.
Speaker 2: She's a super fan. Yeah, because I didn't realize how
Speaker 2: much you loved the show until years after told you
Speaker 2: I watched the show, right, but like it's a thing.
Speaker 2: He watched it like with your brother and you actually
Speaker 2: like had you know, it's cute. No, I love it.
Speaker 2: It's so cute. So but we're here and this is fun. Catherine,
Speaker 2: I love you. And I also brought remy cube for
Speaker 2: us tonight. So if there's time, yeah, let's play. Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll take a break and then we get katevole gone.
Speaker 2: Are we able to go deep? Yes, we're likes to
Speaker 2: do it, you know, So we're just going to dive
Speaker 2: right into it. I'm so excited about doing this podcast
Speaker 2: with you because I feel like we obviously have a
Speaker 2: great friendship. I follow you on socials, but I am
Speaker 2: there's so many things that I want to know on
Speaker 2: even just a deeper level totally of Kate and who
Speaker 2: Kate is and what makes up Kate and all the things.
Speaker 2: Because you started young. Yeah, so you started singing at
Speaker 2: what what age did you get signed? Started singing? Then
Speaker 2: when did you get signed?
Speaker 3: I started singing like super young, singing in church like
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Started writing songs when I was like fourteen,
Speaker 3: and then started playing shows and stuff in high school
Speaker 3: and I got signed I think I was nineteen eighteen
Speaker 3: or nineteen. Yeah, So I was like in my college
Speaker 3: door and brought the message like that somebody wanted to
Speaker 3: offer me a record deal, and I was like wow, okay,
Speaker 3: and yeah, picked up and left school and kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, never looked back.
Speaker 2: And then from there you had your first album that
Speaker 2: came out and that was the big just like, this
Speaker 2: is Kate Bogel, What was your when was that?
Speaker 3: That was?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 3: The album came out in two thousand and seven, and
Speaker 3: I hopped in my parents' minivan and started touring and nobody.
Speaker 3: It was very grassroots because I signed my first record
Speaker 3: deal with my Space Records, so denitly making myself sound
Speaker 3: like I've been here for a minute, but you know,
Speaker 3: it was like this thing and I was like, these
Speaker 3: guys are really inventive. They're using social media. It was
Speaker 3: the first of its kind. And then we re released
Speaker 3: the album in two thousand and eight after I after
Speaker 3: my episodes of One Tree Hill started airing, so it
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 2: That was like the big resurgeon. Yeah exactly. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: then from there, are you still on a label or
Speaker 2: are you doing it independently totally independent? When did that
Speaker 2: switch happen?
Speaker 3: The switch happened after I released two albums with Innerscope.
Speaker 3: We did Don't Look Away, which was the re release
Speaker 3: of my first album with MySpace, and then we released
Speaker 3: A Fine Mess, which was another album I promoted on
Speaker 3: the show, and then following that one I ended up doing.
Speaker 3: I think I did like a ATO Records indie label
Speaker 3: deal after that, and then went completely independent after my
Speaker 3: third album.
Speaker 2: Was that hard for you when you were off the
Speaker 2: label and what?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I think it was one of those things that when
Speaker 3: you're especially growing up and like signing my first deal
Speaker 3: with MySpace, and like, during that time, the music industry
Speaker 3: was still like I feel like it was half very
Speaker 3: old school and half kind of starting to move in
Speaker 3: the direction like that to where it is now with
Speaker 3: streaming and with like the democratization of everything content sharing.
Speaker 3: So like I grew up consuming music from like a
Speaker 3: lot is more set and like you know, Vanessa Carlton
Speaker 3: and like some of these artists who it was a
Speaker 3: very traditional old school music business model still, all these
Speaker 3: people who I looked up to, So getting dropped was
Speaker 3: like the biggest fear for everyone, Like, oh no, I
Speaker 3: can't you know, and.
Speaker 2: Like the careers over I got dropped.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like I think because I had nothing
Speaker 3: else compared to I didn't come from like a family
Speaker 3: of entertainment business folks. Like you're just like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: like getting fired, you know, so you think, oh my god,
Speaker 3: if I'm not with a major label, what does that
Speaker 3: say about me? Or was that say about my music
Speaker 3: or my talent? And yeah, so it was definitely a challenge.
Speaker 3: It was hard, but I think now in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: it's so different and getting signed to a major label
Speaker 3: is basically you know, I mean it just everything is
Speaker 3: a completely different industry, like everything else is. So I
Speaker 3: think I would have less of a hard time with
Speaker 3: it now, But in whatever it was twenty eleven, it
Speaker 3: was like, you know, for a minute there, it definitely
Speaker 3: felt like the end of the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I remember that same thing when I split
Speaker 2: with my record label. It became like a am I just
Speaker 2: like done? Is that it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then you go it hurt. It hurts. I remember
Speaker 2: just being like, this is this, this is not fun
Speaker 2: and a lot of times people will you know, I
Speaker 2: kind of slowed down on the music side of things,
Speaker 2: and I feel like you rammed up. Yeah, And was
Speaker 2: that for you? I mean, this is like this is
Speaker 2: your life. You loved obviously being on onun Tree Hill,
Speaker 2: but yeah, acting, but music was always the number one
Speaker 2: driving force for you.
Speaker 3: Totally, yeah, totally. Music was like, I, you know, signed
Speaker 3: a deal in college, I made my album. I was
Speaker 3: touring for a year in my parents' minivan before I
Speaker 3: went to the audition for One Tree Hill, and I
Speaker 3: was like under the impression that this part was going
Speaker 3: to be for one episode and that I was going
Speaker 3: to get to maybe play a song on the show
Speaker 3: if I got it, and I was like, oh cool,
Speaker 3: like I'll go, oh my god, did you.
Speaker 2: Watch punre Hill before you audition?
Speaker 3: Well, i'd heard of it, of course, I've never seen it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think that's probably why I was like less intimidated.
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, like, screw it, whatever, I'll
Speaker 3: go and like play my song. And then I got
Speaker 3: the part, and one episode turned into four seasons yea,
Speaker 3: And I loved it, like I loved learning the craft
Speaker 3: of acting and how it's essentially storytelling, which is like
Speaker 3: all I've ever wanted to do as a songwriter and
Speaker 3: as a performer on stage. But that was where my
Speaker 3: heart was for sure, just being on stage making music
Speaker 3: in the studio, writing songs. That's always been how I've
Speaker 3: made sense in my world. So I yeah, I think then,
Speaker 3: you know, following kind of changing the scenery with the
Speaker 3: label and stuff, and I think, you know, the other
Speaker 3: thing is I don't know if you experienced this, but
Speaker 3: you learn how to sort of like take the power
Speaker 3: back because somebody at a record label is doing everything
Speaker 3: for you. Like there's a person who does your marketing,
Speaker 3: there's a person who does your social media. There's a
Speaker 3: person who helps you with pr, there's a person who
Speaker 3: does you know, like the artwork for your albums. And
Speaker 3: then when you're all of a sudden the label, you
Speaker 3: all of a sudden are like, oh no, I have
Speaker 3: to wear all these hats. And started out as an
Speaker 3: intimidating thing, but then I realized like, oh, actually this
Speaker 3: is really empowering. Like just because there was a person
Speaker 3: in that role who was supposed to be like in
Speaker 3: charge of marketing doesn't mean they had the best ideas
Speaker 3: or you know, it's obviously helpful to have that, but
Speaker 3: I think that once I reframed it and saw myself
Speaker 3: as a business owner, it helped me kind of yeah,
Speaker 3: just lean in and go, you know, go for it
Speaker 3: and sort of refigure it out as I go, and
Speaker 3: and keep making music because I couldn't not make music,
Speaker 3: you know. But that's so interesting that for you you
Speaker 3: were kind of like you pulled back and you were like, ah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do more. I mean, you've got so many
Speaker 3: like incredible, Like I feel like your business with your podcast,
Speaker 3: like you've been podcasting for.
Speaker 2: Almost seven years, six years, Like.
Speaker 3: You jumped into this, so I feel like you jumped
Speaker 3: into a lot of other creative things and continue to
Speaker 3: like act and stuff. Probably, so it's all do you
Speaker 3: feel that way like that, it's all kind of like
Speaker 3: a creative storytelling experience and it's just the medium through it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think One Tree Hill was a huge
Speaker 2: piece of being able to let me do different avenues
Speaker 2: and have like the fan base you know, is amazing.
Speaker 2: It's they were always the loudest at every show I
Speaker 2: ever played. Oh yeah, ever totally, And so that that's
Speaker 2: such a great piece. I'm curious where for you, what
Speaker 2: is your goal now with music? Like you're like, do
Speaker 2: you want to be back on the radio, do you
Speaker 2: want to you know, be gram Like, what is your
Speaker 2: goal that you're striving towards now being an independent artist?
Speaker 3: I think my goal that I'm striving towards with music
Speaker 3: has always been and still is like I just want
Speaker 3: to write music that helps people feel like they're not
Speaker 3: the only ones who's been through something, and that is
Speaker 3: my definition of success. Like if I can write songs
Speaker 3: that people come up to me and they're like this
Speaker 3: really helped me through this thing that was super hard,
Speaker 3: or like this really spoke to me or I thought
Speaker 3: I was the only one who'd ever been through this,
Speaker 3: and your song helped me feel like I wasn't. That
Speaker 3: is all I've ever wanted to do, so that remains
Speaker 3: my goal, I think with the music I'm writing and recording,
Speaker 3: and I'm also really just enjoying more than ever I think,
Speaker 3: allowing myself to be vulnerable and get weird in ways
Speaker 3: that I probably didn't when I was younger. I'm such
Speaker 3: a people pleaser, Like we're both from the Midwest, right,
Speaker 3: like very much wanted to make sure I like didn't
Speaker 3: offend anybody and like didn't say anything or like you know,
Speaker 3: didn't like curse or whatever. If I was in an
Speaker 3: audience of young girls, Well I'm a sailor mouth Like
Speaker 3: I'm from Ohio. We're like always the highest.
Speaker 2: On like people who swear our friends listen to our
Speaker 2: voice notes really low. Yeah, they're in the room with
Speaker 2: their kids. That's just what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just like, that is what it is. And
Speaker 3: I think I've really been wanting to like show all
Speaker 3: those sides of who I am and how it's human.
Speaker 3: And so you know, I have this new band project
Speaker 3: with Mike Grubbs for our show your future ghost. And
Speaker 3: that's been a blast because I feel like I've been
Speaker 3: able to be this version of me that I've always been,
Speaker 3: but that I always was a little bit like afraid
Speaker 3: to fully embody, maybe because I was afraid that it
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna you know, I don't know. I think that
Speaker 3: I'm just really excited to sort of explore as much
Speaker 3: creative freedom with music as I can. And yeah, the
Speaker 3: ultimate goal is always just like write something that helps
Speaker 3: somebody out, you know.
Speaker 2: With because of that, What is the thread in your
Speaker 2: music that you suffer with the most that you write
Speaker 2: in your songs to help other people?
Speaker 3: I think it's something probably like orbiting my incessant perfectionism,
Speaker 3: Like I am someone who holds myself to ridiculous, impossible
Speaker 3: standards and I have I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so family. Did your parents want you
Speaker 2: to be perfect? Did you have to? Where can you try?
Speaker 2: I get back to? Okay, at this age, I started
Speaker 2: to my parents wanted this to all be lined up
Speaker 2: or no.
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny is and I've like, you know,
Speaker 3: unpacked this stuff with the pros enough to sort of
Speaker 3: be puzzled by it because my parents are true, like
Speaker 3: they're some of my best friends.
Speaker 2: Still.
Speaker 3: I grew up in like the most supportive, loving environment.
Speaker 3: They always encourage my creativity, but it was never about
Speaker 3: like achievements or you know whatever. It was like they
Speaker 3: were very very good about emphasizing like my worthiness just
Speaker 3: because I was me and not and but maybe because
Speaker 3: of that, I felt like everyone else should, you know,
Speaker 3: sort of recognize my worth just for being me. And
Speaker 3: then you go into the world, especially as a female,
Speaker 3: and you realize that like everybody else tends to be
Speaker 3: your worth based on like how hot are you, how
Speaker 3: good are you at this, how many accolades do you have,
Speaker 3: how much how many follow whatever it is, you know,
Speaker 3: and I think maybe then I started being like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: my family just thinks that I'm worthy because my daughter
Speaker 3: and then their daughter and maybe the world, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe they're the ones that sort of have it right.
Speaker 3: I better achieve, achieve, achieve, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's a hamster wheel of exhaustion.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's insane. Yeah, like it's in I mean,
Speaker 3: the entertainment business is definitely like one of the most
Speaker 3: challenging places I think to deal with that because so
Speaker 3: much is measured by like.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if your song doesn't stream enough, then you're
Speaker 2: like okay, much on there, and like yeah, and you're
Speaker 2: constantly trying to chase the perfection and all that, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is exhausting and then it mentally it just makes
Speaker 2: you feel like crap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you feel awful. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: so that is really the thing that I think somewhere
Speaker 3: in there. A lot of my songs are sort of like,
Speaker 3: you know, in this space where they're centered on an
Speaker 3: uplifting message, but it's like through the lens of like
Speaker 3: this is not fluff, Like yeah, it's definitely like and
Speaker 3: I feel like, especially some of the stuff that I've
Speaker 3: written more recently, I've allowed myself to be more vulnerable
Speaker 3: and more open with that and be like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: struggle so much with you know, expecting myself to be
Speaker 3: perfect and beating the shit out of myself if I'm not,
Speaker 3: you know, And so I hope that that can reach
Speaker 3: somebody who does that to themselves too, because Yeah.
Speaker 2: We talked to earlier how you got married young, and
Speaker 2: I was asking how your husband was and we're talking about,
Speaker 2: you know, you're getting married young, what it was what
Speaker 2: has been the best growth with y'all's marriage, and then
Speaker 2: where has where is the maybe the struggle and getting
Speaker 2: married at that age that you've maybe seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the best. I mean it's so wild. We're gonna
Speaker 3: be thirteen years this yeah, and like together sixteen but
Speaker 3: married thirteen, which is crazy. I think he's he's five
Speaker 3: or so years older than me, and I think that
Speaker 3: when we met, I already lived a lot of life.
Speaker 3: So I was like twenty two when we got together
Speaker 3: and we moved in together, and so it didn't feel
Speaker 3: like I was getting married super young, probably just because
Speaker 3: I had been spending the five life on my road, yeah,
Speaker 3: a tour bus, and you know, I had met a
Speaker 3: lot of people. I had dated, you know, several people
Speaker 3: and kind of knew what I was looking for. And
Speaker 3: my husband is Brett is just like he's so incredibly
Speaker 3: supportive in the way where he like I had been
Speaker 3: in a relationship prior to meeting him, where the guy
Speaker 3: was like outrageously jealous that I had to like kiss
Speaker 3: somebody on TV for work and I can.
Speaker 2: Like kissing Stephen. I mean it's like kissing your brother. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like that's something people always ask like, was he a
Speaker 2: good kisser, and I'm like, I don't, like I'm.
Speaker 3: Not making out like it's not so I always try
Speaker 3: to explain to people. You're like, oh is my nose
Speaker 3: smushed weird? Like I was like, oh, okay, like.
Speaker 2: You he would ring and be like, what are you
Speaker 2: having for lunch today? You know, it's it's just And again,
Speaker 2: he was like a brother for sure, like.
Speaker 3: He's such a he's such a friend, and you know,
Speaker 3: it was just like a great, such a safe, fun
Speaker 3: hang because it would be like, oh, yeah, we're all
Speaker 3: going to go out and like get drunk this weekend
Speaker 3: and like party and like my husband would come out
Speaker 3: and like yeah, you know, get hammered with all of
Speaker 3: us like together, and.
Speaker 2: It was I wasn't getting hammered, man.
Speaker 3: I think I was just like on the tour, the tour, yes,
Speaker 3: the partying with dudes life, not that you know whatever,
Speaker 3: not hammered in the way maybe now. Tyler Hilton and
Speaker 3: I always joked that like when we were working on
Speaker 3: Wintree Hill, everybody just would like have a few drinks
Speaker 3: and that was like called partying, Whereas now I feel
Speaker 3: like it's there's some substances, that's what I'm like, I
Speaker 3: was never like messing with anything crazy, but it was
Speaker 3: for sure like throwing back some Jack Daniels with with
Speaker 3: the dudes on the weekends. And it was so fun
Speaker 3: and such a like safe, cool hang and it was
Speaker 3: so cool to sort of meet somebody who had the
Speaker 3: confidence to be like, hell, yeah, let me meet your
Speaker 3: show boyfriend, like I want to. I want to go
Speaker 3: out and have a drink with you.
Speaker 2: Guys. It seems very solid every time. It's just like
Speaker 2: a solid.
Speaker 3: He's the steadiest, most solid. But he's so like down
Speaker 3: to clown, you know, like he is very much like
Speaker 3: we're both very spontaneous, Like we decided to pick up
Speaker 3: and move to Paris for six months a few years ago.
Speaker 3: Like he is so he's so supportive and so steady,
Speaker 3: but he's also so open to adventure, and that I
Speaker 3: think is the part of our marriage that made it
Speaker 3: easy to sort of commit young.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the growth has just been probably for both
Speaker 3: of us figuring out like what our next act looks like.
Speaker 3: Because my husband was a professional lacrosse player and you
Speaker 3: know your husband was a soccer player, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 3: you guys probably share a lot of this same thing.
Speaker 3: And I'm the least athletic person ever, like, have never
Speaker 3: played a coordinated sport. We played football, yeah, oh yeah
Speaker 3: we did. We played sure.
Speaker 2: Little things getting episode definitely.
Speaker 3: Yes, we crushed it. I but you know, for him,
Speaker 3: like as an athlete, you have to stop at a
Speaker 3: certain age because and for me, I think a lot
Speaker 3: of what I want to do in my job and
Speaker 3: how I want to spend my time has shifted as
Speaker 3: I've gotten older. I don't want to be like gone
Speaker 3: for half the year in a different hotel every night,
Speaker 3: on a tour bus and a van, but there's no
Speaker 3: like limit to that, like I could. And I think
Speaker 3: that part has been a struggle. I almost envy that
Speaker 3: he like his first act was this thing where everybody's
Speaker 3: like and congratulations, you're thirty five and you're done, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think for me it's been weird to be
Speaker 3: like have you felt that way like with singing and
Speaker 3: just being a oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I think it changes when when you have kids.
Speaker 2: Is that something in y'all?
Speaker 3: Sure? We don't know, maybe yeah, maybe. I mean I'm
Speaker 3: definitely like I don't have like a whole lot more
Speaker 3: time to I don't know. I mean Obviously, I have
Speaker 3: friends who are forty five and having kids.
Speaker 2: I had a baby at forty so yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: I'm thirty eight. So we're definitely talking about it, but
Speaker 3: I think we're also okay.
Speaker 2: I might shift the I'm sure then it would.
Speaker 3: I think that would make all the difference. Like how
Speaker 3: was that for you? Navigating like touring and even being
Speaker 3: on location like.
Speaker 2: I had I had a crib on the bus, you know,
Speaker 2: So it was one of those. And then once we
Speaker 2: had our second that's when things started to really shift
Speaker 2: musically and touring wise, because I'm like, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't want this to be their life and also is
Speaker 2: this really what I wanted? I got this from Montree Hill,
Speaker 2: which I love the music and it's so great, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't my full on passion.
Speaker 3: That wasn't your first love thing that you were like,
Speaker 3: which is why you know it didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't can but there's times that I'm like, I
Speaker 2: wish I would have continued on, you know. So it's
Speaker 2: like it's like a little regrets here and there, but yeah,
Speaker 2: to wrap up your your pits and you're so your
Speaker 2: highs and your lows with Luntre Hill, what's a low
Speaker 2: and then what's a high? Start with a low end
Speaker 2: on a high.
Speaker 3: Okay, the low definitely was just navigating the extremely complex
Speaker 3: situation that was the predatorial issues with our boss, which
Speaker 3: I'm laughing about it. It's not funny, right, I'm very
Speaker 3: much a dark humor person, and that's sort of how
Speaker 3: I got through all of that. I felt like the
Speaker 3: hardest part of that. Obviously, everyone you know had like
Speaker 3: varying degrees of harassment. That was very, very difficult. But
Speaker 3: I think for me, the hardest part of that was
Speaker 3: that I felt like one of the things this person
Speaker 3: did the most was try to really soew discord, especially
Speaker 3: among the women. So I felt like I was constantly
Speaker 3: being told from the person who hired me for this job,
Speaker 3: like this girl doesn't like you, like you, she talked
Speaker 3: about you, she said this, you know, And so I
Speaker 3: am midwestern, right, introverted, little song writer artists, little nerdy girl, right.
Speaker 3: I was terrified of like, you know, rocking the boat
Speaker 3: or like upsetting anyone. So I felt really isolated for less.
Speaker 3: So like when you started working on the show, I
Speaker 3: feel like the first two seasons, because did you come
Speaker 3: in six or seven seven. Okay, yeah, the first two
Speaker 3: seasons five and six, I felt extremely isolated. And that
Speaker 3: was also when I was stating the guy who was
Speaker 3: like super jealous, so I was like, holy crap, what
Speaker 3: do I do. I'm just gonna like order room service,
Speaker 3: and it was like it was kind of tough. I
Speaker 3: wrote a lot of songs, which was good, but then
Speaker 3: I think over time, the highlight of the show was
Speaker 3: that I finally was like, screw this. I like love
Speaker 3: all these people I'm working with. If they hate me,
Speaker 3: they can tell me to my face. And no one
Speaker 3: ever did, because of course all of that was made
Speaker 3: up to like puppeteer everyone and somehow control I don't know,
Speaker 3: some some many needs to go to therapy, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever this dude was. It was a whole thing. But
Speaker 3: I think that once I finally was like I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna reach out and like I'm just gonna go and
Speaker 3: you know, see if this person wants to go play pool.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'll never forget the conversation that I
Speaker 2: had with Shantell because that was one of the ones
Speaker 2: that he tried to pit and I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what did I do? And She's like what he said this, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was like no, and then we became best friends,
Speaker 2: like she's my closest from working and I'm like it
Speaker 2: was just wild. And then, you know, I remember showing
Speaker 2: I was we were shopping at that j Cree little mall,
Speaker 2: and I remember showing Sophia text message that I got
Speaker 2: from him, and he was clearly flirting, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do I say back to this, because it's like
Speaker 2: he's the creator of the show. I doesn't want to
Speaker 2: lose my job. So I just went haha, Like she
Speaker 2: was like just laugh back. So I was like, okay, hahha,
Speaker 2: you know, and thinking back, you know, obviously there's things
Speaker 2: that would do differently. And at the same time, I was,
Speaker 2: what twenties grateful to have a series regular show. It's
Speaker 2: a really un fortunate situation. You put a lot of
Speaker 2: the girls in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely like very brutal, But I think
Speaker 3: the thing that was the highlight of the show obviously
Speaker 3: was amazing to share my music and to sort of
Speaker 3: like just connecting with the fans. Like you said, this
Speaker 3: fan base is like just the best in the world,
Speaker 3: Like it is incredible to feel that support and I
Speaker 3: feel really lucky to have been in front of this group,
Speaker 3: you know, like that was just so cool that it
Speaker 3: connected and that they connected with my songs. But like
Speaker 3: the people, like I love the friendships I made from
Speaker 3: the show, and it really was one of those things
Speaker 3: where I had to get uncomfortable and be like, okay,
Speaker 3: like I'm afraid I'm feeling vulnerable. I don't want to
Speaker 3: like I don't want to bug anyone, you know. That
Speaker 3: was always my thing was I was like, I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm bugging them. And then it was like
Speaker 3: the second I started actually getting to know everybody, especially
Speaker 3: the women on the show and stuff too. The guys,
Speaker 3: you know, I think there was less intimidation because it
Speaker 3: was like, you know, our boss was never like the
Speaker 3: guys hate you. You know, it was always the girls.
Speaker 2: I still don't think one girl likes me on the show,
Speaker 2: so I always just like try to stay like a
Speaker 2: way I'm.
Speaker 3: Like totally made up though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just like I've gotten to the point
Speaker 3: as you get older, you're just like.
Speaker 2: Do like if I did something to like bump out,
Speaker 2: like I actually might you know, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: slide into her, damn and just be like yeah, just
Speaker 2: be like tell me yeah. And we don't have to
Speaker 2: be friends. That's the thing I've realized now in this stage,
Speaker 2: we don't all have to be we don't want to
Speaker 2: make BFFs. Yeah, just you know, there doesn't need to
Speaker 2: be any like awkwardness.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that the best part about this experience was
Speaker 3: the people, Like I I truly like I was saying it,
Speaker 3: you know at the meet and greet earlier with you guys,
Speaker 3: but I my face hurts from laughing after doing these
Speaker 3: events because hanging out like backstage in the green room
Speaker 3: with everybody is so just It's such a gift and
Speaker 3: you know, wild wild ride that we all were on,
Speaker 3: but it's like really special to have done it together.
Speaker 2: You know. I love that, Kate, you are amazing. I
Speaker 2: love you so much. Go saying they're waiting for you,
Speaker 2: so go sing your little hard and I'm just so
Speaker 2: excited for you and I love you very much.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jim.
Speaker 2: And I never hated you.
Speaker 3: I never hated you either.
Speaker 2: I've always loved you and I was never hated your
Speaker 2: music when I came onto the show.
Speaker 3: So no, the same girl, same thank you