WEBVTT - Live From TRIC: Kate Voegele 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:05.359 Wind down with Janet Kramer an I'mheart Radio podcast. 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:11.640 Okay, this is very exciting because live from Wilmington, North Carolina. Sorry, oh, 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.760 I know, I'm sorry, Catherine, She's like you're a dorc. No, 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.840 I am very excited to be here in Wilmington because 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:19.720 we almost didn't make it to Wilmington. We did not 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.159 we did, but we did, but we almost did not. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.240 So we had a four Well this is interesting. So 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.400 we had a four to forty five pickup. What time 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.960 do you think my alarm was set for for forty yes, yeah, 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:36.879 you know me so absolutely is. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.040 I'm over here having to get up at four am 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.000 to get ready, get dressed, drive to your house. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:42.960 I'm just kidding. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:43.680 The Lilentton minutes way. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:49.160 It's fine. My feelings are hurt, gather. No, I'm kidding. Sorry, 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.360 I'm doing so hard, but I it gives Alan so 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.640 much anxiety. Oh, I can only imagine. But what do 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.000 you have to do in the morning if we have 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.440 this discussion all the time, because I don't understand why 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:01.800 he has to said his alarm for thirty minutes if 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.800 everything is packed in your bag, well, obviously he's not here. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.679 But when we do go on vacations, and it has 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.400 to be an early wake up. He's setting at least. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.280 I mean the minimum is thirty minutes before. But I'm like, 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.520 what do you have to do? I do thirty minutes. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.000 I just I guess I just don't understand that because 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.360 for me, are you really in the morning that early? Yeah? Yeah? 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.640 My gross? Is it just my maybe because it's like 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.640 if you shout I shower the night before, so like 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:29.840 you're not. I don't sleeping. Oh see, I shower at 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:30.399 night right. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.560 Which is also could be gross. But I don't shower 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.680 at night. But I mean I have to for my hair, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.560 I have to at least get it wet. Okay, So 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.080 but a lot of people would say it's really grossed 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.040 down shower at night, so fair? 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.600 And then brush your teeth, Yeah, brush youth. This is 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:46.920 I have my clothes all laid out, my bag's already packed. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:48.840 I always have the bag. My bag was at the 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.000 like little mud room area, had my purse. I mean 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:52.840 all I had to do was literally brush my teeth 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.680 and then put my clothes on, which are standing right there, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.360 shoes on out the door. Yeah, I mean you do 0:01:58.400 --> 0:01:58.960 it in five minutes. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:01:59.480 I'm my breast. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:00.520 Thank you. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.120 I was now like, tomorrow, I will not get in 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:03.520 the shower. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:05.360 Damn right. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.000 In the same room. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.360 And so I too will get up five minutes before 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:12.160 we have to leave. 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:13.640 I'll be stressed. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.040 It'll be fine. It's so good. But we had a 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.800 little bit of it. They had to de ice the 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.760 plane this morning, which we had a decent layover. I 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.080 go to Cat I said, hey, how's the layover looking. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.639 I think she said she You're like, We're fine. It's 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.720 like fifteen You're like, yeah, how long is it? 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.320 And I was like, oh, it's over an hour. And 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:30.359 then next thing you know. 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.280 We had to get ice from being de iced, and 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.560 then they didn't have our gate when we did land. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.200 So when we landed in Atlanta, our plane was taking 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.400 off in fifteen minutes and it was a thirteen minute 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.760 walk to the next seen to eighteen minutes, eighteen minutes, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.160 And it was one of those where even if we 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.720 sprinted for our lives, we would not have made it 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.880 so with the trams and the trains and the Atlanta airport, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.760 but we so we ended up having a beautiful four 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.880 hour layover Atlanta air and we made a tool mad 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:01.600 to North Carolina. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.079 We Yeah, we did. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.200 We're here. We're here. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.480 I got it all done singing. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.519 And yeah, and so we've got a little concert tonight. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.520 Kate Rowele and I are singing and we are about 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.720 to have her on the show, and then we are 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.919 going to have Barbara Allan Woods on the show as well. 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.320 So this is fun that we're able to be here. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.000 And you know, Catherine comes because she's a secret, well 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.160 not anymore not a secret, but she's a One Tree 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:25.120 Hill super fan. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.480 I love how this story has over the years. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.680 She's a super fan. Yeah, because I didn't realize how 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.920 much you loved the show until years after told you 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.080 I watched the show, right, but like it's a thing. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.720 He watched it like with your brother and you actually 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.040 like had you know, it's cute. No, I love it. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:50.000 It's so cute. So but we're here and this is fun. Catherine, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.200 I love you. And I also brought remy cube for 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.520 us tonight. So if there's time, yeah, let's play. Okay, 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.920 we'll take a break and then we get katevole gone. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.560 Are we able to go deep? Yes, we're likes to 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.080 do it, you know, So we're just going to dive 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.560 right into it. I'm so excited about doing this podcast 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.560 with you because I feel like we obviously have a 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.680 great friendship. I follow you on socials, but I am 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.880 there's so many things that I want to know on 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.000 even just a deeper level totally of Kate and who 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.719 Kate is and what makes up Kate and all the things. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.760 Because you started young. Yeah, so you started singing at 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.640 what what age did you get signed? Started singing? Then 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:41.560 when did you get signed? 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.719 I started singing like super young, singing in church like 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.120 stuff like that. Started writing songs when I was like fourteen, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.880 and then started playing shows and stuff in high school 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.360 and I got signed I think I was nineteen eighteen 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.800 or nineteen. Yeah, So I was like in my college 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.840 door and brought the message like that somebody wanted to 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.560 offer me a record deal, and I was like wow, okay, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.359 and yeah, picked up and left school and kind of, 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:10.320 you know, never looked back. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.719 And then from there you had your first album that 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.320 came out and that was the big just like, this 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.440 is Kate Bogel, What was your when was that? 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:20.000 That was? 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:20.800 It was? 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.200 The album came out in two thousand and seven, and 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.200 I hopped in my parents' minivan and started touring and nobody. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.840 It was very grassroots because I signed my first record 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:35.240 deal with my Space Records, so denitly making myself sound 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.120 like I've been here for a minute, but you know, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.080 it was like this thing and I was like, these 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.840 guys are really inventive. They're using social media. It was 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.680 the first of its kind. And then we re released 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.320 the album in two thousand and eight after I after 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.279 my episodes of One Tree Hill started airing, so it 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:53.720 was like. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.719 That was like the big resurgeon. Yeah exactly. Yeah. And 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.480 then from there, are you still on a label or 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.919 are you doing it independently totally independent? When did that 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:02.640 switch happen? 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.960 The switch happened after I released two albums with Innerscope. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.480 We did Don't Look Away, which was the re release 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.200 of my first album with MySpace, and then we released 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.880 A Fine Mess, which was another album I promoted on 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:20.040 the show, and then following that one I ended up doing. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.120 I think I did like a ATO Records indie label 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:27.960 deal after that, and then went completely independent after my 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:28.560 third album. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.440 Was that hard for you when you were off the 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:33.440 label and what? 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:34.160 Yeah? 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:34.960 Yeah, for sure. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.279 I think it was one of those things that when 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:42.120 you're especially growing up and like signing my first deal 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.279 with MySpace, and like, during that time, the music industry 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.160 was still like I feel like it was half very 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.719 old school and half kind of starting to move in 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.240 the direction like that to where it is now with 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.760 streaming and with like the democratization of everything content sharing. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.359 So like I grew up consuming music from like a 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.200 lot is more set and like you know, Vanessa Carlton 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.400 and like some of these artists who it was a 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.560 very traditional old school music business model still, all these 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.800 people who I looked up to, So getting dropped was 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.560 like the biggest fear for everyone, Like, oh no, I 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:21.280 can't you know, and. 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.280 Like the careers over I got dropped. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.640 It's sort of like I think because I had nothing 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.200 else compared to I didn't come from like a family 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.320 of entertainment business folks. Like you're just like, oh, it's 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.640 like getting fired, you know, so you think, oh my god, 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.320 if I'm not with a major label, what does that 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.200 say about me? Or was that say about my music 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.880 or my talent? And yeah, so it was definitely a challenge. 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.320 It was hard, but I think now in twenty twenty five, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.000 it's so different and getting signed to a major label 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.360 is basically you know, I mean it just everything is 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.320 a completely different industry, like everything else is. So I 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.400 think I would have less of a hard time with 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.360 it now, But in whatever it was twenty eleven, it 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.520 was like, you know, for a minute there, it definitely 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:05.440 felt like the end of the world. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.840 Yeah. Yeah, I remember that same thing when I split 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.160 with my record label. It became like a am I just 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.080 like done? Is that it? 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:12.840 Yeah? 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.880 And then you go it hurt. It hurts. I remember 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.000 just being like, this is this, this is not fun 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.120 and a lot of times people will you know, I 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.400 kind of slowed down on the music side of things, 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.680 and I feel like you rammed up. Yeah, And was 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.440 that for you? I mean, this is like this is 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.959 your life. You loved obviously being on onun Tree Hill, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.960 but yeah, acting, but music was always the number one 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.040 driving force for you. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.800 Totally, yeah, totally. Music was like, I, you know, signed 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.200 a deal in college, I made my album. I was 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.120 touring for a year in my parents' minivan before I 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.720 went to the audition for One Tree Hill, and I 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.320 was like under the impression that this part was going 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.160 to be for one episode and that I was going 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.720 to get to maybe play a song on the show 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.360 if I got it, and I was like, oh cool, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:58.480 like I'll go, oh my god, did you. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:08:59.840 Watch punre Hill before you audition? 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.160 Well, i'd heard of it, of course, I've never seen it. Yeah, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.319 so I think that's probably why I was like less intimidated. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:06.920 I was just like, oh, like, screw it, whatever, I'll 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.880 go and like play my song. And then I got 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.520 the part, and one episode turned into four seasons yea, 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.520 And I loved it, like I loved learning the craft 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.960 of acting and how it's essentially storytelling, which is like 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.760 all I've ever wanted to do as a songwriter and 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.680 as a performer on stage. But that was where my 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.920 heart was for sure, just being on stage making music 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.439 in the studio, writing songs. That's always been how I've 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.240 made sense in my world. So I yeah, I think then, 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.959 you know, following kind of changing the scenery with the 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.640 label and stuff, and I think, you know, the other 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.200 thing is I don't know if you experienced this, but 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.720 you learn how to sort of like take the power 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.160 back because somebody at a record label is doing everything 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.040 for you. Like there's a person who does your marketing, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:56.880 there's a person who does your social media. There's a 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.880 person who helps you with pr, there's a person who 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.960 does you know, like the artwork for your albums. And 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.760 then when you're all of a sudden the label, you 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:06.400 all of a sudden are like, oh no, I have 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.440 to wear all these hats. And started out as an 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.640 intimidating thing, but then I realized like, oh, actually this 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.319 is really empowering. Like just because there was a person 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.600 in that role who was supposed to be like in 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.160 charge of marketing doesn't mean they had the best ideas 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.720 or you know, it's obviously helpful to have that, but 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.319 I think that once I reframed it and saw myself 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.920 as a business owner, it helped me kind of yeah, 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.640 just lean in and go, you know, go for it 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.440 and sort of refigure it out as I go, and 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.160 and keep making music because I couldn't not make music, 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.400 you know. But that's so interesting that for you you 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.880 were kind of like you pulled back and you were like, ah, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.720 I'm gonna do more. I mean, you've got so many 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.720 like incredible, Like I feel like your business with your podcast, 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.480 like you've been podcasting for. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.280 Almost seven years, six years, Like. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.800 You jumped into this, so I feel like you jumped 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.800 into a lot of other creative things and continue to 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.800 like act and stuff. Probably, so it's all do you 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.560 feel that way like that, it's all kind of like 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.840 a creative storytelling experience and it's just the medium through it. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.040 Yeah, And I think One Tree Hill was a huge 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.760 piece of being able to let me do different avenues 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.560 and have like the fan base you know, is amazing. 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.240 It's they were always the loudest at every show I 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.559 ever played. Oh yeah, ever totally, And so that that's 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.319 such a great piece. I'm curious where for you, what 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.480 is your goal now with music? Like you're like, do 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:31.959 you want to be back on the radio, do you 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.959 want to you know, be gram Like, what is your 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.080 goal that you're striving towards now being an independent artist? 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.680 I think my goal that I'm striving towards with music 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:45.240 has always been and still is like I just want 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.480 to write music that helps people feel like they're not 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.680 the only ones who's been through something, and that is 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.400 my definition of success. Like if I can write songs 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.400 that people come up to me and they're like this 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.120 really helped me through this thing that was super hard, 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.959 or like this really spoke to me or I thought 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.439 I was the only one who'd ever been through this, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.840 and your song helped me feel like I wasn't. That 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.360 is all I've ever wanted to do, so that remains 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:13.839 my goal, I think with the music I'm writing and recording, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.679 and I'm also really just enjoying more than ever I think, 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:24.720 allowing myself to be vulnerable and get weird in ways 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.800 that I probably didn't when I was younger. I'm such 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.040 a people pleaser, Like we're both from the Midwest, right, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.000 like very much wanted to make sure I like didn't 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.200 offend anybody and like didn't say anything or like you know, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.840 didn't like curse or whatever. If I was in an 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.800 audience of young girls, Well I'm a sailor mouth Like 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.240 I'm from Ohio. We're like always the highest. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.160 On like people who swear our friends listen to our 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.319 voice notes really low. Yeah, they're in the room with 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.280 their kids. That's just what it is. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.360 Yeah, It's just like, that is what it is. And 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:59.400 I think I've really been wanting to like show all 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.720 those sides of who I am and how it's human. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.520 And so you know, I have this new band project 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.080 with Mike Grubbs for our show your future ghost. And 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:08.920 that's been a blast because I feel like I've been 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.480 able to be this version of me that I've always been, 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.800 but that I always was a little bit like afraid 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.160 to fully embody, maybe because I was afraid that it 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.160 wasn't gonna you know, I don't know. I think that 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.000 I'm just really excited to sort of explore as much 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.800 creative freedom with music as I can. And yeah, the 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.640 ultimate goal is always just like write something that helps 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:31.520 somebody out, you know. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.320 With because of that, What is the thread in your 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.280 music that you suffer with the most that you write 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:37.960 in your songs to help other people? 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:45.920 I think it's something probably like orbiting my incessant perfectionism, 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:50.679 Like I am someone who holds myself to ridiculous, impossible 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.560 standards and I have I don't know, I don't know. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.400 You know, it's so family. Did your parents want you 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.000 to be perfect? Did you have to? Where can you try? 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.080 I get back to? Okay, at this age, I started 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.800 to my parents wanted this to all be lined up 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:06.560 or no. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.400 You know what's so funny is and I've like, you know, 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.480 unpacked this stuff with the pros enough to sort of 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.920 be puzzled by it because my parents are true, like 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.080 they're some of my best friends. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:17.400 Still. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:22.120 I grew up in like the most supportive, loving environment. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.200 They always encourage my creativity, but it was never about 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.640 like achievements or you know whatever. It was like they 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:34.040 were very very good about emphasizing like my worthiness just 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.920 because I was me and not and but maybe because 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.360 of that, I felt like everyone else should, you know, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.320 sort of recognize my worth just for being me. And 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.840 then you go into the world, especially as a female, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.840 and you realize that like everybody else tends to be 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.440 your worth based on like how hot are you, how 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.440 good are you at this, how many accolades do you have, 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.840 how much how many follow whatever it is, you know, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:04.400 and I think maybe then I started being like, oh, well, 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.800 my family just thinks that I'm worthy because my daughter 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.080 and then their daughter and maybe the world, you know, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.520 maybe they're the ones that sort of have it right. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.920 I better achieve, achieve, achieve, you know. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.960 And that's a hamster wheel of exhaustion. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.840 Oh yeah, it's insane. Yeah, like it's in I mean, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:26.080 the entertainment business is definitely like one of the most 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.440 challenging places I think to deal with that because so 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.200 much is measured by like. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.400 Well, yeah, if your song doesn't stream enough, then you're 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.800 like okay, much on there, and like yeah, and you're 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.520 constantly trying to chase the perfection and all that, yeah, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.160 which is exhausting and then it mentally it just makes 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:44.520 you feel like crap. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.160 Yeah, it makes you feel awful. And I think, you know, 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.960 so that is really the thing that I think somewhere 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:51.800 in there. A lot of my songs are sort of like, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:58.720 you know, in this space where they're centered on an 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.440 uplifting message, but it's like through the lens of like 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:06.240 this is not fluff, Like yeah, it's definitely like and 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.840 I feel like, especially some of the stuff that I've 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.240 written more recently, I've allowed myself to be more vulnerable 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.440 and more open with that and be like, yeah, I 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.720 struggle so much with you know, expecting myself to be 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.000 perfect and beating the shit out of myself if I'm not, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.800 you know, And so I hope that that can reach 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:51.520 somebody who does that to themselves too, because Yeah. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.880 We talked to earlier how you got married young, and 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.760 I was asking how your husband was and we're talking about, 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.280 you know, you're getting married young, what it was what 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.280 has been the best growth with y'all's marriage, and then 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.200 where has where is the maybe the struggle and getting 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.920 married at that age that you've maybe seen. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.360 Yeah, the best. I mean it's so wild. We're gonna 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.000 be thirteen years this yeah, and like together sixteen but 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.840 married thirteen, which is crazy. I think he's he's five 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.199 or so years older than me, and I think that 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.080 when we met, I already lived a lot of life. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.479 So I was like twenty two when we got together 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.320 and we moved in together, and so it didn't feel 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.600 like I was getting married super young, probably just because 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.920 I had been spending the five life on my road, yeah, 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.000 a tour bus, and you know, I had met a 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.560 lot of people. I had dated, you know, several people 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.040 and kind of knew what I was looking for. And 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:41.080 my husband is Brett is just like he's so incredibly 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:46.080 supportive in the way where he like I had been 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.640 in a relationship prior to meeting him, where the guy 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.120 was like outrageously jealous that I had to like kiss 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.840 somebody on TV for work and I can. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.480 Like kissing Stephen. I mean it's like kissing your brother. Yeah, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:01.960 Like that's something people always ask like, was he a 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.879 good kisser, and I'm like, I don't, like I'm. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.080 Not making out like it's not so I always try 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:07.520 to explain to people. You're like, oh is my nose 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.440 smushed weird? Like I was like, oh, okay, like. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.359 You he would ring and be like, what are you 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.080 having for lunch today? You know, it's it's just And again, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.080 he was like a brother for sure, like. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.520 He's such a he's such a friend, and you know, 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.840 it was just like a great, such a safe, fun 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.800 hang because it would be like, oh, yeah, we're all 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.359 going to go out and like get drunk this weekend 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.800 and like party and like my husband would come out 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.480 and like yeah, you know, get hammered with all of 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:30.840 us like together, and. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.440 It was I wasn't getting hammered, man. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:39.120 I think I was just like on the tour, the tour, yes, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.600 the partying with dudes life, not that you know whatever, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.879 not hammered in the way maybe now. Tyler Hilton and 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.520 I always joked that like when we were working on 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.320 Wintree Hill, everybody just would like have a few drinks 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.040 and that was like called partying, Whereas now I feel 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.959 like it's there's some substances, that's what I'm like, I 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.280 was never like messing with anything crazy, but it was 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.800 for sure like throwing back some Jack Daniels with with 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.800 the dudes on the weekends. And it was so fun 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.080 and such a like safe, cool hang and it was 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.879 so cool to sort of meet somebody who had the 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.320 confidence to be like, hell, yeah, let me meet your 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.639