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Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet Kramer an I'mheart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is very exciting because live from Wilmington, North Carolina. Sorry, oh,

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry, Catherine, She's like you're a dorc. No,

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Speaker 2: I am very excited to be here in Wilmington because

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Speaker 2: we almost didn't make it to Wilmington. We did not

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Speaker 2: we did, but we did, but we almost did not.

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Speaker 2: So we had a four Well this is interesting. So

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Speaker 2: we had a four to forty five pickup. What time

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Speaker 2: do you think my alarm was set for for forty yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know me so absolutely is.

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Speaker 1: I'm over here having to get up at four am

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Speaker 1: to get ready, get dressed, drive to your house.

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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: The Lilentton minutes way.

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Speaker 2: It's fine. My feelings are hurt, gather. No, I'm kidding. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing so hard, but I it gives Alan so

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Speaker 2: much anxiety. Oh, I can only imagine. But what do

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Speaker 2: you have to do in the morning if we have

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Speaker 2: this discussion all the time, because I don't understand why

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Speaker 2: he has to said his alarm for thirty minutes if

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Speaker 2: everything is packed in your bag, well, obviously he's not here.

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Speaker 2: But when we do go on vacations, and it has

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Speaker 2: to be an early wake up. He's setting at least.

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Speaker 2: I mean the minimum is thirty minutes before. But I'm like,

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Speaker 2: what do you have to do? I do thirty minutes.

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Speaker 2: I just I guess I just don't understand that because

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Speaker 2: for me, are you really in the morning that early? Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: My gross? Is it just my maybe because it's like

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Speaker 2: if you shout I shower the night before, so like

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Speaker 2: you're not. I don't sleeping. Oh see, I shower at

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Speaker 2: night right.

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Speaker 1: Which is also could be gross. But I don't shower

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Speaker 1: at night. But I mean I have to for my hair,

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Speaker 1: I have to at least get it wet. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people would say it's really grossed

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Speaker 1: down shower at night, so fair?

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Speaker 2: And then brush your teeth, Yeah, brush youth. This is

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Speaker 2: I have my clothes all laid out, my bag's already packed.

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Speaker 2: I always have the bag. My bag was at the

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Speaker 2: like little mud room area, had my purse. I mean

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Speaker 2: all I had to do was literally brush my teeth

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Speaker 2: and then put my clothes on, which are standing right there,

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Speaker 2: shoes on out the door. Yeah, I mean you do

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Speaker 2: it in five minutes.

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Speaker 1: I'm my breast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I was now like, tomorrow, I will not get in

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Speaker 1: the shower.

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Speaker 2: Damn right.

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Speaker 3: In the same room.

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Speaker 1: And so I too will get up five minutes before

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Speaker 1: we have to leave.

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Speaker 3: I'll be stressed.

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Speaker 2: It'll be fine. It's so good. But we had a

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Speaker 2: little bit of it. They had to de ice the

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Speaker 2: plane this morning, which we had a decent layover. I

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Speaker 2: go to Cat I said, hey, how's the layover looking.

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Speaker 2: I think she said she You're like, We're fine. It's

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Speaker 2: like fifteen You're like, yeah, how long is it?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, it's over an hour. And

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Speaker 2: We had to get ice from being de iced, and

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Speaker 2: then they didn't have our gate when we did land.

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Speaker 2: So when we landed in Atlanta, our plane was taking

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Speaker 2: off in fifteen minutes and it was a thirteen minute

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Speaker 2: And it was one of those where even if we

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Speaker 2: so with the trams and the trains and the Atlanta airport,

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Speaker 2: but we so we ended up having a beautiful four

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Speaker 1: We Yeah, we did.

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Speaker 2: We're here. We're here.

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Speaker 1: I got it all done singing.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and so we've got a little concert tonight.

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Speaker 2: Kate Rowele and I are singing and we are about

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Speaker 2: to have her on the show, and then we are

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Speaker 2: going to have Barbara Allan Woods on the show as well.

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Speaker 2: So this is fun that we're able to be here.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Catherine comes because she's a secret, well

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Speaker 2: not anymore not a secret, but she's a One Tree

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Speaker 3: I love how this story has over the years.

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Speaker 2: She's a super fan. Yeah, because I didn't realize how

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Speaker 2: much you loved the show until years after told you

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Speaker 2: I watched the show, right, but like it's a thing.

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Speaker 2: He watched it like with your brother and you actually

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Speaker 2: like had you know, it's cute. No, I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's so cute. So but we're here and this is fun. Catherine,

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Speaker 2: I love you. And I also brought remy cube for

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Speaker 2: us tonight. So if there's time, yeah, let's play. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we'll take a break and then we get katevole gone.

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Speaker 2: Are we able to go deep? Yes, we're likes to

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Speaker 2: do it, you know, So we're just going to dive

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Speaker 2: right into it. I'm so excited about doing this podcast

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Speaker 2: with you because I feel like we obviously have a

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Speaker 2: great friendship. I follow you on socials, but I am

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Speaker 2: there's so many things that I want to know on

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Speaker 2: even just a deeper level totally of Kate and who

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Speaker 2: Kate is and what makes up Kate and all the things.

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Speaker 2: Because you started young. Yeah, so you started singing at

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Speaker 2: what what age did you get signed? Started singing? Then

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Speaker 2: when did you get signed?

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Speaker 3: I started singing like super young, singing in church like

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. Started writing songs when I was like fourteen,

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Speaker 3: and then started playing shows and stuff in high school

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Speaker 3: and I got signed I think I was nineteen eighteen

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Speaker 3: or nineteen. Yeah, So I was like in my college

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Speaker 3: offer me a record deal, and I was like wow, okay,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, picked up and left school and kind of,

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Speaker 2: And then from there you had your first album that

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Speaker 3: The album came out in two thousand and seven, and

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Speaker 3: It was very grassroots because I signed my first record

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Speaker 3: deal with my Space Records, so denitly making myself sound

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Speaker 3: guys are really inventive. They're using social media. It was

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Speaker 3: the first of its kind. And then we re released

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Speaker 2: That was like the big resurgeon. Yeah exactly. Yeah. And

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Speaker 3: The switch happened after I released two albums with Innerscope.

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Speaker 3: We did Don't Look Away, which was the re release

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Speaker 3: I think I did like a ATO Records indie label

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Speaker 3: I think it was one of those things that when

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Speaker 3: So like I grew up consuming music from like a

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Speaker 3: It's sort of like I think because I had nothing

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Speaker 3: It was hard, but I think now in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I remember that same thing when I split

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Speaker 2: your life. You loved obviously being on onun Tree Hill,

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Speaker 3: all I've ever wanted to do as a songwriter and

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Speaker 2: I mean I think it changes when when you have kids.

439
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Speaker 2: Is that something in y'all?

440
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Speaker 3: Sure? We don't know, maybe yeah, maybe. I mean I'm

441
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 3: definitely like I don't have like a whole lot more

442
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 3: time to I don't know. I mean Obviously, I have

443
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 3: friends who are forty five and having kids.

444
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Speaker 2: I had a baby at forty so yeah, totally.

445
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 3: I'm thirty eight. So we're definitely talking about it, but

446
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: I think we're also okay.

447
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 2: I might shift the I'm sure then it would.

448
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 3: I think that would make all the difference. Like how

449
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: was that for you? Navigating like touring and even being

450
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: on location like.

451
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Speaker 2: I had I had a crib on the bus, you know,

452
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 2: So it was one of those. And then once we

453
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,479
Speaker 2: had our second that's when things started to really shift

454
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: musically and touring wise, because I'm like, I don't I

455
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 2: don't want this to be their life and also is

456
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 2: this really what I wanted? I got this from Montree Hill,

457
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: which I love the music and it's so great, but

458
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't my full on passion.

459
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 3: That wasn't your first love thing that you were like,

460
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 3: which is why you know it didn't.

461
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: I didn't can but there's times that I'm like, I

462
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: wish I would have continued on, you know. So it's

463
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 2: like it's like a little regrets here and there, but yeah,

464
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 2: to wrap up your your pits and you're so your

465
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: highs and your lows with Luntre Hill, what's a low

466
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: and then what's a high? Start with a low end

467
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: on a high.

468
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Speaker 3: Okay, the low definitely was just navigating the extremely complex

469
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 3: situation that was the predatorial issues with our boss, which

470
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm laughing about it. It's not funny, right, I'm very

471
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: much a dark humor person, and that's sort of how

472
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 3: I got through all of that. I felt like the

473
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 3: hardest part of that. Obviously, everyone you know had like

474
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 3: varying degrees of harassment. That was very, very difficult. But

475
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 3: I think for me, the hardest part of that was

476
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 3: that I felt like one of the things this person

477
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 3: did the most was try to really soew discord, especially

478
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: among the women. So I felt like I was constantly

479
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: being told from the person who hired me for this job,

480
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: like this girl doesn't like you, like you, she talked

481
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 3: about you, she said this, you know, And so I

482
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 3: am midwestern, right, introverted, little song writer artists, little nerdy girl, right.

483
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: I was terrified of like, you know, rocking the boat

484
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: or like upsetting anyone. So I felt really isolated for less.

485
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,239
Speaker 3: So like when you started working on the show, I

486
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 3: feel like the first two seasons, because did you come

487
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: in six or seven seven. Okay, yeah, the first two

488
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: seasons five and six, I felt extremely isolated. And that

489
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: was also when I was stating the guy who was

490
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 3: like super jealous, so I was like, holy crap, what

491
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: do I do. I'm just gonna like order room service,

492
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 3: and it was like it was kind of tough. I

493
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: wrote a lot of songs, which was good, but then

494
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 3: I think over time, the highlight of the show was

495
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: that I finally was like, screw this. I like love

496
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: all these people I'm working with. If they hate me,

497
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: they can tell me to my face. And no one

498
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: ever did, because of course all of that was made

499
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: up to like puppeteer everyone and somehow control I don't know,

500
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: some some many needs to go to therapy, you know,

501
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: whatever this dude was. It was a whole thing. But

502
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: I think that once I finally was like I'm just

503
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: gonna reach out and like I'm just gonna go and

504
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 3: you know, see if this person wants to go play pool.

505
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'll never forget the conversation that I

506
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: had with Shantell because that was one of the ones

507
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: that he tried to pit and I'm just like, yeah,

508
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: what did I do? And She's like what he said this, yeah,

509
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: and I was like no, and then we became best friends,

510
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: like she's my closest from working and I'm like it

511
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: was just wild. And then, you know, I remember showing

512
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: I was we were shopping at that j Cree little mall,

513
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: and I remember showing Sophia text message that I got

514
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: from him, and he was clearly flirting, and I'm like,

515
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: what do I say back to this, because it's like

516
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: he's the creator of the show. I doesn't want to

517
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: lose my job. So I just went haha, Like she

518
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: was like just laugh back. So I was like, okay, hahha,

519
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, and thinking back, you know, obviously there's things

520
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: that would do differently. And at the same time, I was,

521
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: what twenties grateful to have a series regular show. It's

522
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: a really un fortunate situation. You put a lot of

523
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 2: the girls in.

524
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely like very brutal, But I think

525
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: the thing that was the highlight of the show obviously

526
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: was amazing to share my music and to sort of

527
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: like just connecting with the fans. Like you said, this

528
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: fan base is like just the best in the world,

529
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: Like it is incredible to feel that support and I

530
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: feel really lucky to have been in front of this group,

531
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: you know, like that was just so cool that it

532
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: connected and that they connected with my songs. But like

533
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: the people, like I love the friendships I made from

534
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 3: the show, and it really was one of those things

535
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: where I had to get uncomfortable and be like, okay,

536
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 3: like I'm afraid I'm feeling vulnerable. I don't want to

537
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: like I don't want to bug anyone, you know. That

538
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: was always my thing was I was like, I don't

539
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: know if I'm bugging them. And then it was like

540
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 3: the second I started actually getting to know everybody, especially

541
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: the women on the show and stuff too. The guys,

542
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 3: you know, I think there was less intimidation because it

543
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 3: was like, you know, our boss was never like the

544
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: guys hate you. You know, it was always the girls.

545
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: I still don't think one girl likes me on the show,

546
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: so I always just like try to stay like a

547
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: way I'm.

548
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: Like totally made up though.

549
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing.

550
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just like I've gotten to the point

551
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 3: as you get older, you're just like.

552
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: Do like if I did something to like bump out,

553
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: like I actually might you know, I think I'm gonna

554
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: slide into her, damn and just be like yeah, just

555
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: be like tell me yeah. And we don't have to

556
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: be friends. That's the thing I've realized now in this stage,

557
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: we don't all have to be we don't want to

558
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: make BFFs. Yeah, just you know, there doesn't need to

559
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 2: be any like awkwardness.

560
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that the best part about this experience was

561
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: the people, Like I I truly like I was saying it,

562
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: you know at the meet and greet earlier with you guys,

563
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 3: but I my face hurts from laughing after doing these

564
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 3: events because hanging out like backstage in the green room

565
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 3: with everybody is so just It's such a gift and

566
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: you know, wild wild ride that we all were on,

567
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: but it's like really special to have done it together.

568
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: You know. I love that, Kate, you are amazing. I

569
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: love you so much. Go saying they're waiting for you,

570
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: so go sing your little hard and I'm just so

571
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: excited for you and I love you very much.

572
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jim.

573
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: And I never hated you.

574
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 3: I never hated you either.

575
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: I've always loved you and I was never hated your

576
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: music when I came onto the show.

577
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: So no, the same girl, same thank you