1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:07,119 Speaker 1: Just wanted to pull up cats all. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: Guess who's back back again. Ryan's back. Tell a friend, 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: how you doing, man. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Love to have news. 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: It's great to talk about something that isn't just ruors 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: like this is awesome. 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: You get to react to something. This is awesome, This 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: is great. What else say? 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what your comments have been like, but 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: I know you were live when this move went down. 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: My comments in the first i'd say forty minutes or 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: fifty minutes since the trade happened, have been mixed. We've 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: got some people saying, oh, Cashman dumpster diving because I 14 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: think they look at the win loss record and they 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: jump to conclusions, you know, the twelve and twenty three 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: to four point nine to three. But I look at 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: a guy who's twenty six years old, who's lefty, who 18 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: throws hard, who was the number seven overall pick in 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: the draft, so he obviously has some upside. I think 20 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: that the Yankees didn't give up too much for a 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: lefty with four years of control, who could be at 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: worst a project from Matt Blake. 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and when. 24 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: We talk about their need for a starting pitcher, they 25 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: need it at the very least an arm and this 26 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: is part I think of what could be hopefully something 27 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: that maybe sets up some other moves at least gives 28 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: them more depth. And I also think a big part 29 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: of this is when you, when you as an organization, 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: have someone like Sambrien and Matt Blake at the top 31 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: of the pitching lab and they green light you going 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: after a starter. That means something to me, especially when 33 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: this guy throws ninety seven miles per hour sits ninety 34 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: seven and has a big change up and a wipeout slider, 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: the sinker the slider he feels like the gyro slide 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: that's more of a cutter. There's upside for this guy 37 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: to be a five pitch starting pitcher and he's got 38 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: three years of control. Also, Derek younger than Louis Heile 39 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: and Will Warren. So if you were looking at those 40 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: two guys as hey, they're young, they have upside. Weathers 41 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: is younger than those guys. The upside here is is 42 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: very enticing to me. So, Derek, there's been it's a 43 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: mixed review. I understand not being as excited as you 44 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: would be if this is a Freddie Peralza, but this 45 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: is definitely something I think makes them better. 46 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. You know, I like guys 47 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: who keep the ball on the ground too, And he's 48 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: an above average ground ball pitcher. It looks like he 49 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,839 Speaker 2: throws strikes. You know, he's above average in walk percentage, 50 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: with percentage is good and you never know, maybe Matt 51 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: Blake can just unlock something right. I mean, these are 52 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: you know, pretty solid metrics across the board, like the 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: expected batting average, the expected era for a young guy 54 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: who who you know, hasn't had a ton of experience, 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of room for growth here. 56 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: Am I wrong on that? 57 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: No? I don't think you are at all. 58 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: And again when we talk about this profile, a high 59 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: swing of his profile with a guy who as a 60 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: left handed starting pitcher has plus stuff, these kinds of 61 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: guys can become really electric starting pitchers. I think of 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: like what Jesus Lozardo did last year for the Philly 63 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: where he was coming off the year where the arm talent. 64 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you were really questioning whether this guy was 65 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: still a premium starting pitcher. But all it takes is 66 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: one year of being healthy to flip that narrative and 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: flip that script again. Is Ryan Weather's a superstar. No, 68 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: I don't think any Yankee fan, even the most optimistic 69 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: on this move, is gonna sit here and start comparing 70 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Ryan Weather so Trek Scooble or Christopher Sanchez. But this 71 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: is a guy who has all the talent to be 72 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: a number three caliber starter if things really work out well, 73 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: I think you profile in more as like a four 74 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: or five. But this gives you another arm. You needed 75 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: another arm very badly. And I know that there's been 76 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: like some chatter about Freddy Peralta and if that's a 77 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: thing you can do. They want major league pitching depth 78 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: a lot easier to stomach that kind of trade. 79 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: Now you have another picture in your organization. 80 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: So if they want to go and trade for a 81 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: big time starter, I think this makes it easier to 82 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: do that that harder. Yeah, I could see, and I 83 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: saw a couple of tweets about this that were just 84 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: like bye bye, Luis Heal, you know, because this puts 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: him or Will Warren possibly as the person who goes 86 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: to Milwaukee. Right, those are the two guys to me 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: that are on the bubble because we know freed Rodin 88 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: Cole not going anywhere, right, So it's really Heel or 89 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: Warren that could be a part of that that move. 90 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: I'm still all in on on Freddy Perral though, if 91 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: we could pick him up, like I don't think there's 92 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: any price I wouldn't pay. 93 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think. 94 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: When you look at the roster and you look at 95 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: the idea of adding Freddy Pewl's, let at least subtract 96 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: a least heel. In this situation, your rotation is one 97 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: of the best in the sport. You've got depth, You've 98 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: got upside, you have a lot of cost control pitching. Again, 99 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: you profile as a team that's got maybe the most 100 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: expendable pitching depth in Freddy. 101 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 3: Pewl to trade. 102 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: I know the Mets have a lot of assets they 103 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: could deal in this as well, But howling are they 104 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: to move off Brandon Sproke when they currently can't really 105 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: move off of Brandon Sproke, jonahs on for one year 106 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: Freddy pearolt, So they need these guys to make starts 107 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: with them this year. Louis Heal for Freddy PEARLTZ is 108 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: a clean swot for the Yankee roster. They're not losing 109 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: anything in this regard. For other teams, there's a subtraction 110 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: involved Yankees have made an addition, this would feel like 111 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: you're losing any depth and you're trading for Parolta. 112 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: So if you're lining up your opening day rotation at 113 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: this point, where does Weathers fit in among you know 114 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: the current candidates. So we got Rodin out until at 115 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: least May. I think he might be out a little 116 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: bit longer than that, honestly, because I remember what happened 117 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: when he didn't get a full spring training to get ready. 118 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: The season was a disaster. Let him take his time. Uh. 119 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: And then we got Garret Cole probably not till June 120 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: or July. Schmidt out till maybe September if he's back 121 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: at all, you know, maybe August if we're lucky. So 122 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 2: that really leaves you with Max Freed, Louis Heal, Will Warren, 123 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: Ryan Weathers, Who am I? Who am? Who am I missing? 124 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: Brian Yarborough? 125 00:05:59,720 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: Really? 126 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: How many Ryans do we need? Are you gonna join 127 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: the rotation? 128 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? Man? 129 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: Look, I mean look, I can get my arm warned 130 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: up any place of fresh I got sixty two miles 131 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: prior already for whoever wants it. I like, though, no 132 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: Yarbro Yarborough. I think this pushes into the sixth starter role, 133 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: which is the rolling should be in. And this is 134 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: not to disrespect Yarbrough, but the fact that you now 135 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: can look at yourself and say, if someone goes down, 136 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: Yarbro's our starter for the rotation, that's awesome. That's exactly 137 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: the position you want to be in. You don't want 138 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: to push Elmer to have to make his major league 139 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: debut after one injury. If you really believe in Elmer, 140 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: you should not treat him as somebody who you just 141 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: kind of willingly throw into the rotation. If somebody goes 142 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: down without really caring about his development, and it's not 143 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: there's anybody really behind him, Derek, I think we can 144 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: both agree Paul Blackburn the starting pitcher, I want no 145 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: piece of that. 146 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: Right you signed him to. 147 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: The whole thing is they signed him to be this 148 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: Luke Weaver two point zero replica cool, great, Luke Weaver 149 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: did it as a reliever. 150 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: Not as a starter. 151 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: So I don't want to see Paul Blackburn ever making 152 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: a start for the New York Yankees in twenty twenty six. 153 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: And so again, like with Ryan Weathers, you've improved your 154 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: depth chart. And I'll say this, I think you could 155 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: argue he's got more upside than both Warren and Heel 156 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: because he's got a fastball at like the fastball velocity 157 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: is a little bit faster than Heels. Right now, he's 158 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: not he's coming off some injuries, and but Heel is 159 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: as well. Right and then when it comes to like 160 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: comparing it to Will Warren, I think he just has 161 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: better stuff. The fact that he has a left handed 162 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: changeup is big to me. That means he's not gonna 163 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: have these issues against righty's that you would expect. And 164 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: left handed pitchers have dominating against both rightis and lefties 165 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: throughout the last year. 166 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: Like this has been the year of the mix, but 167 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: it's also been the year of the lefties. 168 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: If you look at the numbers lefties have put up 169 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: compared to righty's as starting pitchers, it's pretty crazy. The 170 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: I think it was like five of the top eight 171 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: pitchers this past year and war were lefties as well. Derek, 172 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: we're in the left the era, so the Yankees I 173 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: think are kind of playing into that a little bit. 174 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: They're very much a team that likes being in the 175 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: modern or at the cutting edge on the pitching side. 176 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: I just I like having a power lefty in there, 177 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: and then if you put him in the bullpen even 178 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: better like this, I just there's there's upside. I like upside, 179 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: and I like having their starter man. 180 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, this this strikes me as one of several possibilities. 181 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: I mean, he could implode. I don't think he will. 182 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: I think he's he's good three point nine to ninety right, 183 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: last year, three point six three, the year before that. 184 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: He's a decent pitcher. I could see him being one 185 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: of these guys who pitches a few months and then 186 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: gets hurt. But you need guys at the beginning of 187 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: the season, right, I mean, treat him with kid gloves 188 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: and spring training, make sure that he's ready to begin 189 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: the season. And if he makes it till July and 190 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: then he goes down, well guess what we got a 191 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: cy young a winner coming coming back. And the other 192 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: thing that I could uh see this is the proverbial breakout. Right. 193 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: This is a guy whose metrics are like right on 194 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: the verge of like being excellent. And the Yankees are 195 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: known for like finding things in guys and making one 196 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 2: little tweak or two little tweaks and they unlock like 197 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: an extra two inches to drop on their change up, 198 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 2: or they a little bit of run on the fastball 199 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you know they're really good. 200 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: So I could see him breaking out the fact that 201 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: he is a lefty that throws hard is always a 202 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: good sign at Yankee Stadium with the power change up. 203 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: So if he's gonna pitch in to righty's at Yankee 204 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: Stadium with the fastball right, you throw hard enough that 205 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: they got to be aware of it. And then if 206 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: you go away, guy's eyes are gonna light up, thinking, oh, 207 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: I'm going short ports, but then all of a sudden 208 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: that shit drops off the table. It might be like 209 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: the perfect match of pitcher for stadium for team with 210 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: pitching coach. I'm actually surprisingly, like really optimistic about this, 211 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: and I'm not just trying to do that to hype 212 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: up the fans. Like I liked him when I saw him. 213 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: I'm mistakenly thought it was twenty twenty five. It was 214 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four the last time I watched him, and 215 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: I remember thinking, Man, he's got some good stuff. He 216 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: really does. Ryan like, I'm genuinely I'm genuinely kind of 217 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: hyped about this move. 218 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: I am too for a couple of reasons. 219 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: Number one, this is gonna been like the trend, the 220 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: breakout pick pitcher for years now. If you look at 221 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: a lot of like really smart baseball minds, Lance Berazowski 222 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: is kind of like the first one that pops to 223 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: mind for me as someone who has been on this 224 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: train for years now. And usually when you've got people 225 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: who know what they're talking about, who like a player, 226 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: that's usually a positive. And when you've got an organization 227 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: that buys in on a player like that too, other 228 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: thumbs up. The thing that really sticks out, as you mentioned, 229 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: the fit with player an organization I think is really 230 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: really good. Carlos Rodon his change up, the development of 231 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: his change up was I mean not even just you 232 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: can't say it was important. It was foundational to his 233 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: turnaround the Yankees. The addition of a sinker, the improvement 234 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: of that sinker, that is something the Yankees were a 235 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: big part of for free the stuff on it, the 236 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: stuff plus. 237 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: Scores, and his sinker really improved this past year. And 238 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: the same was true for his changeup as well. 239 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: If you look at fan Grafts, his sinker improved from 240 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: a one oh seven to a one to twelve stuff 241 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: plus the change up from a ninety three t one 242 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: oh four, that's from twenty four to twenty five. The 243 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Yankees do a really good job with altering the movement 244 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: profiles of these sinkers and changeups, and guys like Freed 245 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: and Rodn also Weathers as well. They tend to have 246 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: pretty good spin rates. They tend to spin the ball 247 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: very well. In Freed's case, he cuts the ball. Rodn's case, 248 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: he tends to get around the ball decently well like 249 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: he tends to get around in the sense that he 250 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: cuts it a little bit. 251 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: But as much as. 252 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: Freed, Ryan Weathers seems to be able to move the 253 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: ball both into and away from righty's or lefties. So 254 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm confident the sinker he has already the shape is 255 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: pretty solid. They can make that sinker better. They can 256 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: make that sinker better, and you just add a better 257 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: sinker to this mix, and suddenly this is a four 258 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: pitch pitcher with four complete pitchers, four seams, sinker, change up, sweeper. 259 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: You only need much else, and there's still some room 260 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: to add some other stuff if they want to kind 261 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: of tinker even further with his profile. 262 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: And you know, if you're thinking about lefties and Yankee Stadium. 263 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: We've got the perfect group of people that can teach 264 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: him right. Not only do you have Rodin who made 265 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: the adjustment last year or in the year before somewhat 266 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: and after I'm miserable for his year Free. He knew 267 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: how to navigate things his first year at Yankee Stadium. 268 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: And then Andy Pettitt. You know, he works with the 269 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: with the staff all the time and gives them tips 270 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: on like how do you pitch in this ballpark? Right? 271 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: Keep the ball in the middle of the field, right, 272 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: don't don't let them turn on pitches and hit it 273 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: down the lines in either direction. But if you keep 274 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 2: the fly balls to left center and center and maybe 275 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: some towards right center, you can get a lot of outs. 276 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: As a left he who is a fly ball pitcher. 277 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: And if you keep the ball on the ground even better. 278 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: And you know, we got Petit to teach them the 279 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: pickoff moves, and when we got Free to teach them 280 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: the pickoff moves, we've got a chance. I love bringing 281 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: in young players that can learn and get better. I 282 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: wanted to just kind of pick your brain about this, 283 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: and it was a reason you were in my first 284 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: call when this went on and we needed a breakdown 285 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: because I wanted to get all this stuff plus and 286 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: all the do dads that you're familiar with more so 287 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: than I am. But some pitchers that have turned it 288 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: around and done things with the Yankees after coming to 289 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: the team. Corey Klueber, he developed an amazing change up 290 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: when he came to the Yankees. You remember that he 291 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: started throwing the change up more. Garrett Cole actually started 292 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: throwing the change up a little bit more, a little 293 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: bit more frequently when he came to the Yankees. Domingo 294 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: Herman's change up like got even better under Matt Blake. 295 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: So that's one thing. Like they're able to take a 296 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: plus pitch and make it even better, So you might 297 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: turn one of like one of the better pitches in 298 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: the game. They might look at this and say, we 299 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: can turn it from like a really good pitch to 300 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: a destroyer of worlds. So that's that's kind of what 301 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: has me. Who else jumps out as like people who 302 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: have come to the team with certain profiles like this 303 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: is I can't think of a lot of guys who've 304 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: gotten worse as pitchers recently that the Yankees have picked up. Yeah. 305 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean even the guy who had probably the biggest 306 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: fall off from what he was before being a Yankee 307 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: was rodn and he just reinvented himself and he adopted 308 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: you adapted too. A league that changed from two pitch 309 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: pitching and big four seemers to hey, you've got to 310 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: mix things up again. This is the League of the mix. 311 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: Now we're back to kind of old school pitching again. 312 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: I love it. 313 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 3: I love it right, It's it's really cool. 314 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: Like Paul Skins is a blow you buy you pitcher, 315 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: but if you watch him pitcher, like this guy's just 316 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: throwing the tool, the whole shed that He's throwing everything 317 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: he's got. 318 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: Do you know why, I'll tell you why. Because the 319 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: data shows that the most dangerous pitch to throw is 320 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: the fastball, and they're trying to prevent injuries, and guys 321 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: who throw more fastballs, I think are more likely to 322 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: get injured. It used to be the opposite way when 323 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: I was coming up. They wouldn't let people throw curveballs 324 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: until they were like sixteen or seventeen because they're like, oh, 325 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: you're gonna blow your arm out. But really we've seen 326 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: now the data is there's no pitch that's more dangerous 327 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: to the arm than the fastball. And if you can 328 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: change speeds and you know, mix your pitches and not 329 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: have to blow a hundred by guys all the time, 330 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: I think that keeps you healthier. And the Yankees might 331 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: look at this and be like, look, this is a 332 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: guy who has been injured, he's had some problems staying healthy. 333 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: He's throwing the fastball forty five percent of the time, 334 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: forty five percent of the time. Ryan, what if he switched. 335 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: What if he starts throwing it thirty percent of the 336 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: time and starts throwing the sinker like ten percent of 337 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: the time, it starts throwing you know, the slider ten percent. 338 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: I could see the pitch mix, Like with you your 339 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: adjustments that you're recommending, cutting and changing it. I could 340 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: see him developing into more of a pitcher. When I 341 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: look at his numbers, I see a guy who he 342 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: misses bats, but he doesn't get a lot of strikeouts. Right, 343 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: that's a win. That tells me he's got good stuff. 344 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: He doesn't know how to pitch or he's that might 345 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: be going too far. He's not he's not fully developed 346 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: as a pitcher, so if we can unlock him, I 347 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: think it just it changes the game. So I want 348 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: to get your thoughts, what's next, what is next? What's 349 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: the next move? 350 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to first play off the point 351 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: of what you mentioned with the mix the Yankees over 352 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: the last two years or inside the top eight and 353 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: change of usage inside the top two, and with rate 354 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: for changeups and in terms of slugging percentage against batting 355 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: average against top ten, top ten, they're change up to 356 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: performed very well. So that is an awesome observation. On 357 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: the pitch plot, you can see the sinker and the 358 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: slider Eddie throws the other side that barely throws have 359 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: the same amount of induced vertical break. That tells me 360 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: that slider could be a cutter. So cutter sinker, increase 361 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: that throw more of them. I love that you pointed 362 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: out the overreliance on the four steamer. Yeah, cut down 363 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: that four scene usage. Rap Baby and the next move. 364 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: I think it's I think Bellinger feels like it's just 365 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: this growing bubble. At some point it's got a burst, 366 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody else is really that In 367 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: that five year, one fifty five million dollar offer, Derek, 368 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: I could maybe have been pessimistic about how far they 369 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: were way to go for Bellinger. But if you had 370 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: told me he had that offer on the table on 371 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: November first, wheld have told you, Oh, so. 372 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: Another team signed him. 373 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Is that that's the case, I guess because that is 374 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: where my mind went to when I saw the offers, Like, 375 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to go that far thirty plus 376 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: million dollars a year. So I think Bellinger's next maybe 377 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: the trade first starter, but I think Bellinger is. 378 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: The next move up. 379 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that what we're 380 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 2: seeing more in the last couple of days is that 381 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: the talks that had been stalemated between Bellinger and the 382 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: Yankees seem to be heating back up again. Nobody's gonna 383 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: nobody's gonna offer him more than the Yankees. I think 384 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: that's pretty clear, and Boris has got to know that. 385 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: So I think that's the next move that's gonna happen. 386 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: I would love to see them get another Bullpen arm 387 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: I would love to see him get like I think 388 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: the bullpen has lost time. Even though we weren't big 389 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: on like Devin Williams and Luke Weaver had kind of 390 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: a bad year. I still feel like the pen's a 391 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: little thin. I think they need to pick some up, 392 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: but somebody up. 393 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure they need to add to that bullpen. 394 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: They have work to still do. This is a big like. 395 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 1: I think they still have work to do. They have 396 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: to make this roster better still. But depending on how 397 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: they go from this, we could end up looking at 398 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: this move and going, wow, that was a nice like 399 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: you just went out and got another starter, because you could. 400 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: How do the Yankees conduct themselves after this? How content 401 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: are are they with the roster following this transaction? That'll 402 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: dictate how I feel about the offseason. I'm not gonna 403 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: judge this move just based on other moves. That feels 404 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: unfair to the move itself and the player itself. But 405 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: that totality offseason, like the floor and the ceiling for 406 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: this team improved with weathers capitalize on that. Why not 407 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: stay in the mix for freddie Peralta. Why not stay 408 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: in the mix for a reliever? Why not try And 409 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think they're gonna stop pursuing Pellinger 410 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: for this or anything, but make check all your boxes. 411 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: Last year. The one thing they didn't do in that 412 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: offseason was they left their base open. Check your boxes. 413 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: When you check your boxes, you can look at your roster. 414 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: You go at least I can say I've got answers everywhere. 415 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: And that's a very like. There are not a lot 416 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: of teams that can do that. You already rule out 417 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: like twenty other teams in baseball. When you start going 418 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: who checked all their boxes? And then you start looking 419 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: at the top end, sally, you start breaking things down, 420 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: you might have a real deal contender. Again, gotta check 421 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: those boxes. Cannot stop the work here. It's gotta be 422 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: a flurry of moves after this. 423 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: And you know I'm gonna catch them crap in the 424 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: comments because when I was talking through my rotation earlier, 425 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: did I failed to mention Cam Schlittler, who, like my god, 426 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: Cam Schlittler had the best, most exciting start of the 427 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: year for us. And I'm like, he's the guy that 428 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: I'm super psyched to see his next step in the development, 429 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: see what he can do, Like I think he's gonna 430 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: be a stud. But Ryan, thanks for jumping on here 431 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: short notice. Everybody go follow Ryan Fireside Yankees and on 432 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: all his social media all that good stuff. Guys. Let 433 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: us know in the comments what you think of this move. 434 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: I'm psyched about it, clearly. I think it's a good move. 435 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 2: I think Ryan's also pretty excited about it. There's a 436 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: lot of potential here, Guys. Don't crap on this move, 437 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: because this might end up being a pretty pretty solid move. Ryan. 438 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: Thanks again. We'll talk to you guys next time. 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