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Speaker 2: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a fried egg
Speaker 2: Frida Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg Friday, Frida fridagg bride
Speaker 2: egg Lie.
Speaker 1: I'm about ready to run off the golf course. They
Speaker 1: should get one of those Rolex serious events somehow.
Speaker 2: I thinks, and eight series of that'd be out right.
Speaker 1: Just want to be the right, the coolest and it's
Speaker 1: the best. Like I mean, you saw the Scottish today.
Speaker 1: They pushed the start so that for American viewership, right,
Speaker 1: uh huh. And it's like Australia. You get primetime viewing
Speaker 1: in America prime time.
Speaker 2: It's perfect, right, I mean everyone gets time from work
Speaker 2: and watches it.
Speaker 1: Golf it's perfect, right, unbelievable, And it could be the winter.
Speaker 1: It would it would be like the perfect I know
Speaker 1: they have the Dubai, but Australia would be the perfect
Speaker 1: kickoff to the season for the European Tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be like F one, I mean the Open
Speaker 2: Tours like F one, Right, they kind of just go
Speaker 2: everywhere that wants to have a tournament. It's not America really,
Speaker 2: it's almost exactly the Formula one an Australia start because
Speaker 2: it's European winter, right, it's perfect. Start south and move
Speaker 2: north like South Africa and Australia first cruise up through Asia,
Speaker 2: end up in Europe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because that they go through Asia. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I mean they could. I don't know, they're going to
Speaker 1: figure out how to do the Middle East because that's
Speaker 1: obviously where all the money is.
Speaker 2: But there's there's no shoulds in what I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just do whatever. But there's certainly Australia is a powerful,
Speaker 2: good enough golf country with good enough courses and a
Speaker 2: good enough country to visit to have one or two
Speaker 2: like real tournaments, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you you watch any of the that Wolf
Speaker 1: Marikawa thing.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to highlights. I was we went out
Speaker 2: doing something or something. It comes on really morning for us.
Speaker 2: I watched the highlights. I mean pretty pretty impressive. I mean,
Speaker 2: Wolf has been I watched him play. He was down
Speaker 2: here Master of the Amateurs. Yeah, he played Royal Melbourne.
Speaker 2: This is January maybe is that when that's on January? Yeah? Anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty legit. He hits it really well. I mean
Speaker 2: the guys on tour have been talking about how he
Speaker 2: hits it for the last year and a half because
Speaker 2: he's a Gigi Swing Tips guy and he's always on
Speaker 2: the Instagram and like we'd all heard of him. Didn't disappoint.
Speaker 2: They don't disappoint anymore, do they these kids now? Although
Speaker 2: what happens with almost all of them is that they
Speaker 2: often they have an unbelievable first eighteen months and then
Speaker 2: they kind of come back to reality for a while,
Speaker 2: and it's that next run if they're going to be
Speaker 2: like legit or not, you know, for a long time,
Speaker 2: like Bryson outrageous when he first came out, completely lost
Speaker 2: it for six months or whatever, and now he's one
Speaker 2: of the best players in the world.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Ryan Moore unbelievable straight away, got his card on invites,
Speaker 2: struggled for four or five years, and gradually worked his
Speaker 2: way back to being a great player. You know that
Speaker 2: Jordan great start, kind of struggled. It's hard to kind
Speaker 2: of you win your fourth or fifth of event or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it's hard to keep that going, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like other sports have that too, where like
Speaker 1: if you have a great rookie year, a lot of
Speaker 1: times guys have like they call it the sophomore slump.
Speaker 1: But I think Jaki Nieman just went through it too.
Speaker 1: He was he was playing terrible at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the year and he started he's he's been playing great
Speaker 1: the last month or so.
Speaker 2: It shows the value in winning. I mean, these kids
Speaker 2: come out of college and I was the same. We're
Speaker 2: all the same. You're beat up on everyone around you
Speaker 2: when you're about while you're turning pro because you've beaten
Speaker 2: up on everybody and you're just used to winning or
Speaker 2: at least contending in every tournament as soon as you
Speaker 2: get out there. It doesn't really matter who you're playing
Speaker 2: with it first. And then after a while, like you
Speaker 2: realize that everyone's really good and you're not winning quite
Speaker 2: as often, and like kind of that shine of the
Speaker 2: confidence goes away. But there's a massive advantage in like
Speaker 2: just beating up on everyone around you at whatever level
Speaker 2: it is, because then you move up and you just
Speaker 2: you're used to beating up on people.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, and then once you have a
Speaker 1: rough patch, like that's the first time and a number
Speaker 1: of years you've probably ever felt like you're the one
Speaker 1: getting beat up.
Speaker 2: The first rough patch you've ever had when you have
Speaker 2: your like if if Wolfe has a rough patch, it'll
Speaker 2: be the first one he's had. It doesn't look like
Speaker 2: he's going to I think he's his his action is extreme,
Speaker 2: like his technique is extreme, but it's extreme at the
Speaker 2: right end of extreme, you know. I think we'll see
Speaker 2: accepted golf swing logic get changed a little bit from
Speaker 2: he will. He shows you that there's another way than
Speaker 2: like just how we've always thought, you know, and his
Speaker 2: way is actually might actually be better because it's kind
Speaker 2: of got built in. It's almost self correcting, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, he crosses the line so much that he
Speaker 2: has to shallow on the way down or he's not
Speaker 2: going to hit the ball like. It just forces a
Speaker 2: great downswing, you know, And so he can hit it
Speaker 2: as hard as he wants, because the harder he hits it,
Speaker 2: the better it is. Kind of it's this kind of
Speaker 2: interesting situation.
Speaker 1: Do you see this kid, Stephen Fisk, by any chance,
Speaker 1: he's a at Georgia Southern. He played really well in
Speaker 1: the NCAA as he was like top five, but he
Speaker 1: won like six or seven times this year. He has
Speaker 1: the course record at a whoopie and he's got this
Speaker 1: so they were like the consensus kind of to the
Speaker 1: best players. And he doesn't like set his hands at address.
Speaker 1: It's a crazy sweat.
Speaker 2: Stephen Fisk, Like Stephen Fisk, I haven't seen it. No,
Speaker 2: I mean I think I think what's happened. I mean,
Speaker 2: you and I grew up, and I don't know if
Speaker 2: we've touched on this before. I think we have a
Speaker 2: little bit. But you and I grew up on the
Speaker 2: video camera era. You know that led better video camera.
Speaker 2: It was all about making it a lot. These guys
Speaker 2: have grown up in the track man era, which is
Speaker 2: all about making it b right. You know, it's all
Speaker 2: about the numbers on the screen, the strike on the bowl,
Speaker 2: the ball flyt. It's it's about what it should have
Speaker 2: always been anyway, right. So but Hogan made it about
Speaker 2: the ball. He didn't know what his swing looked like.
Speaker 2: It was all about the ball flight, the spin and
Speaker 2: how it was going and how solid it felt and
Speaker 2: the speed and all that. That's all anyone's learning now,
Speaker 2: these kids. So you end up with all these unique
Speaker 2: actions because everyone's got a different way of getting the
Speaker 2: club to the right impact, right, We all have a
Speaker 2: different path to get there. Now. No one's telling us
Speaker 2: that you have to take it back here and have
Speaker 2: the club outside the hands and balance this and all that.
Speaker 2: They're letting you find your kind of pathway to get
Speaker 2: that great impact. So you're seeing all these unique actions,
Speaker 2: but the unique actions that hit the ball really well.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great period and technique and it's
Speaker 2: opening people's eyes, like it's I saw this horrific Twitter
Speaker 2: comparison of pre led better lydia COO to post led
Speaker 2: better lydia co And I'm not going to completely blame
Speaker 2: Lead on this because she was working on it just
Speaker 2: like he was talking to her. But the pre swing
Speaker 2: was so beautiful and so fluid and so great, and
Speaker 2: the post led better one kind of looked good in
Speaker 2: static pictures, but the flow was all gone and it
Speaker 2: was just like, wow, what are we doing? Like I
Speaker 2: think it was really fault because that's just the process
Speaker 2: that our generation always went through. You know, you went
Speaker 2: to a coach, you got on the camera, and you
Speaker 2: you got everything all squared up and neutral and nice,
Speaker 2: and then oh you should be able to play well now,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a I think we've it's a
Speaker 2: good period for kind of getting past that vanity of
Speaker 2: how it looks.
Speaker 1: You know, well, that's a I feel like that's we
Speaker 1: kind of had this and you make a great point
Speaker 1: about the video camera because we lost the variety in
Speaker 1: golf swings for like a twenty year period where only
Speaker 1: like everybody like, oh, look at Jim Furic, how weird
Speaker 1: his swing is, But that was like really the only
Speaker 1: one it was.
Speaker 2: And Rocko Rocco had a bit of a unique move
Speaker 2: media eight and Duvar was kind of unique, but there's
Speaker 2: they were few and far between, like and usually those
Speaker 2: super unique guys are the ones who hit the ball
Speaker 2: well for a long period of time. You know, Jimmy's
Speaker 2: been probably the best ball striker on tour. Really, if
Speaker 2: you take if distance isn't one of your measures, if
Speaker 2: your measure is straight like ball flight control, move it
Speaker 2: both in consistency. I mean, Ferrex number one in my
Speaker 2: career with a swing that is kind of a different
Speaker 2: version of what Matthew Wolf is doing. Really. I mean
Speaker 2: it's it's it's way inside with deeper the hands and
Speaker 2: gets way up there across the line so he has
Speaker 2: to shallow on the downswing. It's a different version of
Speaker 2: a similar kind of thing. And they're both crazy straight hitters,
Speaker 2: you know, different styles, and you would never get like
Speaker 2: that if you learned like you and I did you
Speaker 2: know the whole leed better? Ear? I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: led better. I'll put him, but his name up the
Speaker 2: top because he kind of, unfortunately will get picked on
Speaker 2: in this because every coach was doing it. Just getting
Speaker 2: on camera and getting this set up, ball squared and
Speaker 2: everyone was standing in front of a mirror was like memory.
Speaker 2: We used to get tape on the mirrors and like
Speaker 2: get our setups all like that, and it's like wow,
Speaker 2: completely detaching from what it feels like to hit the ball,
Speaker 2: like it all became about the look of it, and
Speaker 2: we all did it and we still do it a
Speaker 2: little bit. And I woke past a mirror with a
Speaker 2: golf club woul look at us, but we all do it.
Speaker 1: I had, I had, I went, I got this lesson.
Speaker 1: I went to this new instructor once I was like
Speaker 1: twenty two or something, and he had me like pausing
Speaker 1: at one spot so I knew how it felt and everything.
Speaker 1: I went and played with my buddies and they were like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing? And it was like
Speaker 1: it was. They still talk to this day about that.
Speaker 1: They're like, you remember when Andy had that like hitch
Speaker 1: in his swing because of you know, and it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, a one lesson and done, like I was.
Speaker 1: I never went back to it. But it was so
Speaker 1: funny because it was like the worst month of golf
Speaker 1: I played trying to do that, you know, and it
Speaker 1: was all about trying to get it to certain positions.
Speaker 2: Which is comedy really because the swing is it's dynamic.
Speaker 2: It's never actually not moving. If you look at the
Speaker 2: best ball, even it's set up, Lee Trevino was walking
Speaker 2: around and moving his feet and I mean, no one stands.
Speaker 2: It's a It's a moving thing, right, So to try
Speaker 2: to get static good positions seems the wrong to It's
Speaker 2: like reverse engineering, you know. It's it's the wrong way
Speaker 2: hit good golf if you if your focus is hitting
Speaker 2: great golf shots, you'll end up having a good swing.
Speaker 2: But if your focus is having a good swing, you'll
Speaker 2: never hear good golf shots.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We're trying to reverse engineer it a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that seems to have turned around because I think
Speaker 2: track Man is making us realize we're getting there's a
Speaker 2: different level of vanity now. The vanity has moved on
Speaker 2: to swing speed and ball ball speed and carry distant.
Speaker 2: That's the vanity now have part he hit it? How
Speaker 2: fasties swing it? No one ever asked me that question.
Speaker 2: When I was people ask me every day, how fasty swing?
Speaker 2: What's your swing speed? What's your ball speed? Now it's different.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because like now we're we're we're worried
Speaker 1: about the rest results rather than the process of getting
Speaker 1: the results. And it used to be more about the
Speaker 1: process and then expect good results if you go about
Speaker 1: the process the way we believe is right, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think if you get really really like
Speaker 2: in a good focus about results, then process takes care
Speaker 2: of itself almost exactly. Yeah, for sure. And that's eapening.
Speaker 2: And and we'll shows that, you know, well.
Speaker 1: It creates more individuality because the way you get the results,
Speaker 1: everybody's going to be a little.
Speaker 2: Bit different, definitely. And that's for don't you think. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's more fun to watch when you watch those old
Speaker 2: when you watch old golf on TV. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know this is a novelty factor, but I watch a
Speaker 2: lot of old golf, so it's not like a novelty
Speaker 2: factor for me. But the swings are just the best.
Speaker 2: You know, some guys address it way out of the neck,
Speaker 2: and some guys are way across the line and have
Speaker 2: a little weird hitches in their swing, and everyone does
Speaker 2: something a little bit weird, really wide stance when they
Speaker 2: part of everyone started it. There was that period there
Speaker 2: that kind of last twenty years where everyone was really
Speaker 2: kind of trying to look the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the way Jack put putt it.
Speaker 2: Why hasn't anyone else ever done that? Right? Be'st putter ever?
Speaker 2: Like it's bizarre, Like every now I get in the
Speaker 2: in front of my mirror at home or I'm like
Speaker 2: I'm my carpet and I'm trying to put and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's a really good way to part, because you feel
Speaker 2: like you kind of he always said, he was like
Speaker 2: I felt like he was looking on a short part.
Speaker 2: He was looking at the ball in the hole at
Speaker 2: the same time, you know, which is kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: And it feels that you get right behind It's like,
Speaker 2: how do I miss especially short ones? But no one
Speaker 2: does it. We all kind of stand up there neutral
Speaker 2: like it all our lines square and straight.
Speaker 1: And brace and trade.
Speaker 2: To part like Jack did. He tried to.
Speaker 1: Do that SATs out. I think he tried to feast the.
Speaker 2: Hole Yeah, see, Bryson's impressive though. I mean Bryson Bryson
Speaker 2: no stone unturned, right, and he's found his way.
Speaker 1: He's like my favorite and least favorite golfer to watch
Speaker 1: for various reasons. I love that he tries some new
Speaker 1: stuff and that he's like, you know, always experimenting, but
Speaker 1: the same token. Like sometimes I just I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: you know, this is just too much.
Speaker 2: I mean, he could end up like I'm sure he won't,
Speaker 2: but he could end up on the back of some
Speaker 2: range in palm springs, like with macogrady like and stuff
Speaker 2: attached to him everywhere and doing some really weird stuff, right,
Speaker 2: because he's at some point you can't you can't go
Speaker 2: that it. There's no deeper to go, like where you're
Speaker 2: gonna go. You know, you can't go any deeper than
Speaker 2: the moisture content in your grooves on at seven forty
Speaker 2: five in the morning at AUGUSTA or something like. At
Speaker 2: some point you just got to hit golf shots, you.
Speaker 1: Know, how about this? Klin Morrikaua has led his last
Speaker 1: two events to two consecutive weeks. He's led the field
Speaker 1: and strokes gained approach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems to hit the ball really well. I
Speaker 2: haven't actually seen him hit in the flesh. I've seen
Speaker 2: I mean, I said, Matt Wolf ht it in the
Speaker 2: flesh and he it's a hard But Maricaua seems the
Speaker 2: real deal. You know what's with this cal golfers? I mean,
Speaker 2: how many cal golfers have got on tour in the
Speaker 2: last ten years? Tons, right, I'm Michael kim Me went.
Speaker 1: To They're all from California. They play golf all year round,
Speaker 1: they don't have winter.
Speaker 2: You think that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think it is a little bit and they're smart.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta be smart if you.
Speaker 2: Go to cal Do you think it's twenty or so
Speaker 2: years after Tiger and Phil the two best players on
Speaker 2: tour came out of California. Do you think that has
Speaker 2: anything to do with in states in America or do
Speaker 2: you think I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, like Illinois, we've never had a great golfer.
Speaker 2: Da Points is on tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, kids, kids aren't growing up saying
Speaker 1: I want to be like d A Point.
Speaker 2: No, No, yeah, I don't know whether it is massive,
Speaker 2: right Minnesota, Wisconsin's got a cup, So I had some
Speaker 2: prettyer golfer as I see, you can't blame that. I know.
Speaker 2: Why do you explain Jerry Kelly and Steve Striga.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean that's we've had good golfers.
Speaker 1: We've got Mark Wilson, but you know, I mean even
Speaker 1: there's Tom Hogy. But the how many golfers are from
Speaker 1: California on tour? It's a lot.
Speaker 2: Florida, California, Florida and Texas. Yeah, and Carolina's Yeah, it
Speaker 2: is a very it's certainly. See were in Australia, we
Speaker 2: don't grow up with that thing. You can play golfer anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean generally everyone comes from Melbourne and Sydney in
Speaker 2: Western Australia, really generally, because that's just where more the
Speaker 2: people live. Wrought. But we have we have twelve month golf.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, I think twelve month golf to big.
Speaker 1: But then I think it can be also a disadvantage
Speaker 1: because like you don't have any anything else, you don't
Speaker 1: have perspective, You can get worn out, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you take breaks.
Speaker 2: A lot? Now? I'm taking my brack round now. I
Speaker 2: never took prank because I was obsessed, Like I would
Speaker 2: play off on Christmas Day if I was allowed to
Speaker 2: get out of haus. But I didn't do it to
Speaker 2: get better. I just did it because I locked playing golf,
Speaker 2: Like why would I do something else? Yeah, just loved
Speaker 2: it everything about it.
Speaker 1: I just I was reading something. So there's this famous
Speaker 1: venture capitalist who believes that, like, say, you know you've
Speaker 1: got skills right as a person, you can only improve.
Speaker 1: He believes two standard deviations from So, if you're really
Speaker 1: bad at something m h, you can't get to like
Speaker 1: being really good at it. You can only get to
Speaker 1: like average, okay. But if you're really good at something,
Speaker 1: you can keep improving to become like the best. So
Speaker 1: his point is like, don't work on your weaknesses, work
Speaker 1: on your strengths. Like, how do you go about improving
Speaker 1: when you're like one of the best players in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, right, Has anyone ever worked that out?
Speaker 2: I mean, ask Jack, because Tiger's career has been outrageous,
Speaker 2: but it probably is chasing to improve from kind of that,
Speaker 2: O two, kind of that next s out of six
Speaker 2: or seven years, he's just still great. But it was
Speaker 2: harder for him, right, Like he didn't get better, I
Speaker 2: don't think, and he got better at maybe closing the
Speaker 2: deal or something. But his physical game wasn't as good
Speaker 2: in that period, and that was chasing to get better.
Speaker 2: I don't know what would he've worked on. I don't know.
Speaker 2: See that's the thing, like I've always had this. You
Speaker 2: talk to like a Mark Brody or these stats guys
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, well, you just got to get
Speaker 2: better at this. Well that's cool. I knew that I
Speaker 2: had to get better at that area. It's not that
Speaker 2: easy to just get better at something in golf, right,
Speaker 2: you need to hit the ball straighter off the tee. Woh, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll just go work on that, you know, and work
Speaker 2: on that every day, right.
Speaker 1: And knowing you have to hit straighter is like that's
Speaker 1: a good thought in your head when you're getting ready
Speaker 1: to hit a T shirt. I need to hit the
Speaker 1: straight you know.
Speaker 2: Well, you just have to hold more parts. Okay, practice
Speaker 2: my pudding more like it doesn't usually work like trying
Speaker 2: to get better at something and golf. That's actually an
Speaker 2: interesting point there, go I made because people say to
Speaker 2: you all the time, we'll just get better at your
Speaker 2: wedge game. Well, I practice wedges every day, but I'm
Speaker 2: not getting better because now it's a thing right. Ever,
Speaker 2: I have a wedge on a golf course, well I
Speaker 2: got to hit this close because I've got to get
Speaker 2: better at it. So it's a hard game. It's not like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, if you were a runner or something
Speaker 2: and you run marathons, you can measure your level of fitness.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, well, you can adjust your training and
Speaker 2: just train a bit harder and your fitness level probably
Speaker 2: improves at some point. Golf, if you're not holding enough
Speaker 2: six footers, just going to the green and hitting six
Speaker 2: footers and working our technique is no guarantee that you
Speaker 2: get a hold more six footers. In fact, sometimes it
Speaker 2: goes the other way when you do that. Golf is
Speaker 2: a hard game to work on like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like sometimes when you're really working hard
Speaker 1: on something, then you get more frustrated when you're on
Speaker 1: the course and it doesn't work out, and then you
Speaker 1: almost actually get worse.
Speaker 2: I feel like I raised pressure on myself, like if
Speaker 2: I'm like plenty of times i've you know what, I
Speaker 2: needed my home more parts this year, So the whole
Speaker 2: off season, I'll just I'll do all the right things.
Speaker 2: I think it seemed like the right things, like competitive
Speaker 2: practice and getting myself under pressure and hitting a lot
Speaker 2: of various parts and to doing the whole thing, and
Speaker 2: I'll come out and I'll put awful for a few
Speaker 2: months because when I'm I'm just too in my head
Speaker 2: about my putting because I've just been putting too much.
Speaker 2: But that's the way my head works. But when I
Speaker 2: the best periods in my game, if I went and
Speaker 2: just went to wisp Brock and I just played every
Speaker 2: day for three or four weeks and played with those boys,
Speaker 2: the Kenny Towner Gowers and the Kevin Chappels and the
Speaker 2: Chez Revis, and I had a few six footers I'm
Speaker 2: fifteen and sixteen, like downhill left or right to like
Speaker 2: to win the whole or to not lose the whole
Speaker 2: order to keep the match going or whatever. Even if
Speaker 2: I had like just one or two of those a day,
Speaker 2: that would be better than hitting four hundred parts in
Speaker 2: the green because I learn a lot from that part,
Speaker 2: you know. And if I did that every day, then
Speaker 2: I'd start putting well. So it's interesting, like Chase, seeing
Speaker 2: improvement for me actually always made me go backwards. You
Speaker 2: kind of gotta let it improves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's got something too to do with uh,
Speaker 1: like running, isn't it. It's a reactionary movement, right, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Like golf is one of those few sports where you
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it all the time, like you're you have,
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it before you take the stroke. It's
Speaker 1: not like you're catching a pass or catching a fly ball,
Speaker 1: which is like natural.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you're thinking about it in bed the night before, right,
Speaker 2: I mean you're always thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy. I was thinking about that, you know, Woodland.
Speaker 1: I was looking at Woodland and you know, you look
Speaker 1: at it and you're like, God, if he was just
Speaker 1: average all the time around the greens and on the greens,
Speaker 1: he'd be like one of the ten best players in
Speaker 1: the world every single year because of how good he
Speaker 1: hits it. But then I was thinking, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: how hard is It's got to be so hard? It's
Speaker 1: easy to say, oh, just be average.
Speaker 2: You know, but you know, yeah, as easy as the
Speaker 2: long game is for him, the short game is just
Speaker 2: as hard the other way, right, it's late. But it's
Speaker 2: like Jack, his short game wasn't amazing because it didn't
Speaker 2: need to be right, Like if you grow up a
Speaker 2: bad ball striker, you probably have a good short game
Speaker 2: because the only way you could continue improving the scores
Speaker 2: you were shooting and stay at the level you needed
Speaker 2: to be staying at was by getting better at that
Speaker 2: pit that you that you were good at. Exactly like
Speaker 2: that guy said, you know, you just get better at
Speaker 2: the short game, better at the short game, better at
Speaker 2: the short game, because otherwise she would be you wouldn't
Speaker 2: be playing golf anymore because you wouldn't be improving. Does
Speaker 2: that makes sense, you know? Just it's and great ball strikers,
Speaker 2: the Adam Scott's, the guys who hit it well for
Speaker 2: twenty five years, like they just never hit a bad shot.
Speaker 2: They are generally outside of Tiger and Tiger and Jack. Generally,
Speaker 2: putting issues come for those really really like guys who
Speaker 2: stripe at Montgomery, like the guys who had it next
Speaker 2: to the whole their whole career. They end up bad
Speaker 2: putters because they've just had too many chances to miss.
Speaker 2: They've just seen it miss more often. It's not their fault.
Speaker 2: There's so many inbuilt psychological hurdles in golf, you know,
Speaker 2: like to keep that balance in the middle, so.
Speaker 1: What we were talking about. They're thinking about it puts more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that Scott switches putters so much because he's
Speaker 1: he's told himself he figured it out this latest time
Speaker 1: he switched, you know.
Speaker 2: And there's something to that, right, I mean, like Phil
Speaker 2: if I mean Phil sometimes is a genius and sometimes
Speaker 2: it's a little bit not so. But whenever he decides
Speaker 2: to do something, he's so convinced that it's the answer
Speaker 2: that it works, right, like it works for him. Because
Speaker 2: if you're that convinced you're right, you probably are, you know.
Speaker 2: And Adam is doing a little bit that with his putting.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I think it's hard for God like Adam
Speaker 2: when every time he comes off for fifteen years in
Speaker 2: the media are like, oh, if you could only have
Speaker 2: held a few of those putts at him. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just they've made him a bad putter, you by
Speaker 2: by just telling him he is one, Because I promise
Speaker 2: you I've known him since he was about fourteen. He's
Speaker 2: always a great putt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a bad putter by you know, a guy
Speaker 1: that's contending in majors every you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: times a year for fifteen years a bad putter, like
Speaker 1: you're still a really good buttter.
Speaker 2: You know. He was an old legal putter. I mean
Speaker 2: he'd won like fifteen or sixteen times around the world
Speaker 2: of twenty times or something. Hutting how he always putt it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing is like if Adam Scott showed up and
Speaker 1: played a club champion, you know, at a local club
Speaker 1: and a match, he would he would look like, you know,
Speaker 1: a Greek god on the greens compared to the club champion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's the other aspect of it that gets lost
Speaker 1: as you're talking about. That's true, You're right, Yeah, marginally
Speaker 1: better at the professional level is like you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's leaps and bounds better than the best club player,
Speaker 1: the best amateur in the city.
Speaker 2: And good putters on tour, by the way, are outrageous
Speaker 2: how good they are, Like you can't believe even guys
Speaker 2: like me who have been out there a long time,
Speaker 2: it's still amazing how many parts of guys hold on through.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. So that is the I mean, the level
Speaker 2: that he has been compared against is almost unrealistic. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just outrageous. Guys like stricter in that. I mean
Speaker 2: speF there for a period. I mean it's twenty foot
Speaker 2: was just pick the ball up like you can go
Speaker 2: days WITHO holding a twenty foot normally, even good putters
Speaker 2: that whole five a day. You know, it's crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Tiger was the same, just hold everything. So the measure
Speaker 2: is unfair, You're right.
Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting too, is like so Luke Donald
Speaker 1: when he was on the podcast, he talked about when
Speaker 1: he played in the final group at Me with Rose
Speaker 1: and how he after that round he just was like, God,
Speaker 1: I gotta be able to hit it like him, and
Speaker 1: I think like and he was like, and then I like,
Speaker 1: you know, I went on this, I tried to change
Speaker 1: my swing. I tried to do all this, and I
Speaker 1: think in my head, I'm like Rose. If it had
Speaker 1: gone the other way, Rose might have been like, God,
Speaker 1: if I could just put in chip, like.
Speaker 2: Luke, it's funny and grass is always greener. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll pick on Adam for soon because I
Speaker 2: know Adam really well. But there's a couple of times
Speaker 2: he'd been like out there, he's top five in the
Speaker 2: world and he gets paid with dust and or something
Speaker 2: and you'll come off the golf course or he'll be
Speaker 2: at Toddless the next week's saying I need to hit
Speaker 2: the ball further. And Adam's the best driver I've ever seen. Really,
Speaker 2: it's at three fifteen at the middle of every fairway,
Speaker 2: like an unbelievable driver of the ball. It's just there's
Speaker 2: five guys that can hit it fifteen past him now
Speaker 2: and he doesn't like it. Right. The reason you're not
Speaker 2: you didn't win. It wasn't because the driving was the
Speaker 2: best driving in history. Right. I wasn't anything to do
Speaker 2: with that. But we don't see that, right. We don't
Speaker 2: see what we do well. We only see what we
Speaker 2: do bad. Sometimes I think we compare ourselves to other people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's funny, is you know that you're comparing yourself
Speaker 2: to the other guy, wishing that you could do something
Speaker 2: like he does, and he's looking at you just the same, going, oh, gez,
Speaker 2: I wish I could do that like he does. Funny
Speaker 2: why we locked that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it's such a great game, you know.
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Speaker 1: Now back to Jeff Ogilvy. Hey, your first first open
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Welcome first major ninety nine at Carnousti. What
Speaker 1: was that like? Wow?
Speaker 2: That was crazy. I mean, I don't know if anybody
Speaker 2: knows the history, but the ninety nine, the Vandervelt one
Speaker 2: was an absurd open, right, It was crazy. It was
Speaker 2: my first year as a pro. I tried to qualify
Speaker 2: I think a couple of times before as an amateur,
Speaker 2: but never made it. First time in Carnoustie, so I
Speaker 2: was pretty excited. And we got there and the fairways
Speaker 2: were some of them were like eight yards wide. It
Speaker 2: was rageous, I mean it was and it was lost
Speaker 2: ball on both sides of the fairway. They said they
Speaker 2: hadn't fertilized the grass, but you know, they'd fertilized the ruff.
Speaker 2: It had been raining, it was green. It was absolutely unplayable,
Speaker 2: completely unplayable because of the how narrow it was in
Speaker 2: the raff. I think the cut I missed the cut.
Speaker 2: I think I shot I had like eleven or twelve over.
Speaker 2: I think the cut was nine maybe nine over, and
Speaker 2: I think the playoff was at five or six over.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it is about right? Van Velden Hollari. It was tough,
Speaker 2: So it was It was amazing to be there. It's
Speaker 2: an incredible event. Anyone who hasn't been one Open, who's
Speaker 2: a golf fan needs to go to an Open because
Speaker 2: they're really cool things. It's just a different I want
Speaker 2: to say that. I mean everyone tells that they're the
Speaker 2: best fans in golf, and they probably are, but it's
Speaker 2: just a different feeling, and it's just it's it's a
Speaker 2: national it's just a national treasure. They Open in Britain
Speaker 2: and a lot of people, even if they're not golf fans,
Speaker 2: they just go to the Open because that's what you
Speaker 2: do in July in Britain. You go to the Open
Speaker 2: and there's a ton of people and it's just just
Speaker 2: a great tournament. So that one was disappointing. So my
Speaker 2: next one. I didn't play two thousand unfortunately. That's the
Speaker 2: Tiger one at Andrews, and I think.
Speaker 1: I played you were oh one at Lithm O one.
Speaker 2: At Lithm's right. I missed the cart there too.
Speaker 1: Those were your thirst two majors.
Speaker 2: First two majors I want at Lithm. I got into
Speaker 2: that through lock Loanan. I think I finished top ten
Speaker 2: or something at lock Loman the week before Scottish Open.
Speaker 2: So that was good. That was a bit more comfortable
Speaker 2: the second time, but I missed the cut again, I think, didn't.
Speaker 1: I yeah, yeah, at my record.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then then he had a t fifth and No. Five
Speaker 1: at seen Andrews.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I played well, that was a funny fifth.
Speaker 2: That was the first time I kind of got in
Speaker 2: the mix, but I wasn't really in the mix. Tiger
Speaker 2: was way in front and I birdied three last four.
Speaker 2: I buried. I burdied seventeen. I buried the road hole
Speaker 2: on Sunday, which was pretty fund in there, but I
Speaker 2: hold like a twenty foot from like Pini right and
Speaker 2: made it big stands a massive stand behind seventeen on
Speaker 2: the road holes across the I of the road and
Speaker 2: it's just enormous. I don't even know how many people
Speaker 2: get in a lot, so that was pretty exciting. And
Speaker 2: then Birdie the last and kind of went from twelfth
Speaker 2: to fifth in the last three holes, which was pretty fun.
Speaker 1: How did how does the way you play in an
Speaker 1: open change from say, your first time at Carnousti to
Speaker 1: later in your career? Do you do you approach things? Definitely?
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny. I had probably a pretty for someone
Speaker 2: who didn't live in Britain, a pretty good education because
Speaker 2: three years in a row we were in a really
Speaker 2: fortunate situation. We got to go over and play amateur golf,
Speaker 2: so we'd play the Brabazon Trophy, which was the English
Speaker 2: stroke play, which was all we played on it Rowls
Speaker 2: and Georgia's and places like that. I played the Amateur
Speaker 2: three times, and I played the s and andrews Lynx
Speaker 2: Trophy three times, which was just the best tournament the world.
Speaker 2: Really is an amateur forty pounds to play four rounds
Speaker 2: around the old course or three rounds in the old
Speaker 2: one around the year. That was amazing. So I'd played
Speaker 2: a lot of Links golf, so I kind of feel
Speaker 2: like I knew what I was doing but the trouble
Speaker 2: with the Open or not the trouble is probably the
Speaker 2: good thing about it is you don't know. You don't
Speaker 2: know what you're getting until you get there. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: bouncy and firm and dry, like Hoylake six, there was
Speaker 2: not a blade of green grass on the course except
Speaker 2: for the greens where target hit iron off every tea.
Speaker 2: That was brilliant. And then you'll get to one the
Speaker 2: next year where it rains whole time and it's really soft,
Speaker 2: and not soft but damp, and the grass is wet
Speaker 2: and it's a completely different style of golf. And then
Speaker 2: Burkedale when Harrington won and Norman was nearly not nearly one.
Speaker 2: I mean that was blowing fifty and that was a
Speaker 2: seven or eight overcut, and then you get no, this
Speaker 2: is a five undercut the next year. So it's a
Speaker 2: it's just infinite variety the Open. But I tended to
Speaker 2: like to go over there early. I didn't like to
Speaker 2: play the John Dear very much because I thought getting
Speaker 2: in on like really early on month or like lunchtime
Speaker 2: on Monday, was a bit late jet lag wise. And
Speaker 2: Morlene and Illinois to the coast of Britain's generally not.
Speaker 2: But you're kind of you're changing the playing field a
Speaker 2: fair bit there, so I'd usually go.
Speaker 1: We'd go over there about the way sale Stales are
Speaker 1: a little different.
Speaker 2: Star's a little different, the type of golf You've got
Speaker 2: to play a little different, temperatures a little different, scenery
Speaker 2: is a little different. I mean, John did is a
Speaker 2: great event. I ended up. I played it a lot
Speaker 2: and I enjoyed it. But whenever I was like contending
Speaker 2: in the Open, or what I felt like I was
Speaker 2: in the mix for the Open, I would We'd go early,
Speaker 2: like the Wednesday and did it with Adham a few times.
Speaker 2: We'd camp at Snander's and play a few holes and
Speaker 2: then play a few days and then go up to
Speaker 2: Turnbury or wherever we were going, or go Turnbury is
Speaker 2: a good place to go camp for a few days
Speaker 2: before and open. So I'd always go and play because
Speaker 2: I just love my Lynks, Junkie, I just love playing them.
Speaker 1: So I would did you like playing like the Scottish
Speaker 1: or Irish Open or would you rather just kind of
Speaker 1: play casual golf?
Speaker 2: No, I would like to play the Scottish and Irish Open,
Speaker 2: I mean I think now, but the schedule wasn't like
Speaker 2: that ten years ago. It was the Irish Open was
Speaker 2: at the k Club or something and an inland course
Speaker 2: in the Scottish Open was at lock Lemon for a
Speaker 2: long time, which is basically like playing Mirfield Village, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's not to do with links. So I kind
Speaker 2: of got off doing that. And now they've come back
Speaker 2: the last sort of six or seven years and they're
Speaker 2: playing links two weeks before the Open, which is great
Speaker 2: and I would be all over that, but Rory said
Speaker 2: this week you just want to have a scorecard in
Speaker 2: his pocket. There's something about having a score card in
Speaker 2: your pocket the week before, especially with somewhat similar turf
Speaker 2: conditions and stuff. It's different. It's funny because when you
Speaker 2: go to the when you go to the UK and
Speaker 2: you see it every year, the guys who've been playing
Speaker 2: us for the last twelve months, they get their sixty
Speaker 2: out when they chip it on the first green, they
Speaker 2: get the sixty when they're chipping it on the third
Speaker 2: and the fourth. But by the end of the week
Speaker 2: they're chipping with six eigns again. You know, like it
Speaker 2: does affect you. You do use different clubs. I go
Speaker 2: the peach out to it, you're probably the out. I
Speaker 2: don't know twelve times around you know, probably four or
Speaker 2: five shots into greens with pitchers in a par fives,
Speaker 2: and every time you miss a green, you just get
Speaker 2: your sixty out. The minute's out they open. I only
Speaker 2: ever get the sixty out if I'm in a that's it.
Speaker 2: Around the greens. Every other pitch is whether fifty four
Speaker 2: or a fifty or like a nine iron or something,
Speaker 2: it's it's two iron gets back in the bag. You know,
Speaker 2: these new driving irons that these all these manufacturers make.
Speaker 2: I might drop the hybrid or the even the three
Speaker 2: would sometimes and just have like a just a nuclear
Speaker 2: two iron that goes really long and low. So it's
Speaker 2: a different style. It's a fun way to play. Don't
Speaker 2: hit it as hard. I usually end up hitting its
Speaker 2: soft by the end of the week rather than harder
Speaker 2: keep the spin off the ball. It's definitely a different
Speaker 2: we would all the golf world would look different. Professional
Speaker 2: golf would look different if we played courses like that
Speaker 2: every week, Like the swings would be different, the ball
Speaker 2: flights would be different. It's the same game, but it's
Speaker 2: just just off to one side a little bit from
Speaker 2: what we used to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think with you know, the different style,
Speaker 1: do you think that's why we see you know, it
Speaker 1: seems like almost every year we get, you know, an
Speaker 1: older guy making a run that you know saves fifty
Speaker 1: fifty plus.
Speaker 2: You know, like the the advantage of power is nullified
Speaker 2: a little bit, like it's a bit more balanced. Say,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll pick on bethpage Black, not picking on it,
Speaker 2: but just for an example, because it's obvious you can't
Speaker 2: compete there really unless you can hit the ball three
Speaker 2: hundred yards in the air, it's just not going to
Speaker 2: work out for you because it's just too long. The
Speaker 2: ball doesn't run and that's all carry whereas you got
Speaker 2: to say, turnbree in what was nine when wat's nearly one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that that's super windy, crosswinds, really bouncy and firm. Length
Speaker 2: really just gets you into more trouble if you can't
Speaker 2: do it properly. So everyone ends up kind of plodding
Speaker 2: their way around and kind of just finding their wa
Speaker 2: around the course because it's so difficult. You just want
Speaker 2: to get the ball on the ground and run on
Speaker 2: the ground, and all of a sudden, Tom Watson's now
Speaker 2: the best player in the world are doing that, you know,
Speaker 2: so it can change. But then if it got dead
Speaker 2: still a turnally the long hitters get their chance again
Speaker 2: dead still and soft. So it kind of just changes
Speaker 2: the style of golf you need to win so quickly
Speaker 2: we just weather and wind that the guys like well,
Speaker 2: say Watson or fifty year old guy who's been out
Speaker 2: there a long time really gets it. Someone like Phil
Speaker 2: or Tiger even now, they're going to adapt to that
Speaker 2: a lot quicker than other guys who haven't seen that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff before.
Speaker 1: So with so we've got like the Masters Augusta, let's
Speaker 1: just call it like strategic golf. But then you know,
Speaker 1: we'll call I think feel like the US Open and
Speaker 1: the PGA are kind of similar style tournaments usually, right,
Speaker 1: but one just set up a little a notch softer.
Speaker 1: And then you've got links GoF do you do you think?
Speaker 1: I'm curious is Australian samd Belt golf a different style
Speaker 1: than links golf American golf.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of like a well, Melbourne golf is
Speaker 2: like the sand belt what we think of as austrain goal.
Speaker 2: I mean, people outside of Australia Royal Melbourne, Kinks and heath,
Speaker 2: the sand belt stuff. That is kind of a hybrid
Speaker 2: between Links style golf and like kind of that Parkland
Speaker 2: US golf. It's not as extreme and kind of wild
Speaker 2: as Links golf, not quite as close to the coast,
Speaker 2: but it is quite firm. The ball rolls a lot.
Speaker 2: It's much more about angle rather than the lie you have,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Like the US, if you get
Speaker 2: a good lie, you can pretty much get it next
Speaker 2: to the hole unless you're really in a bad spot.
Speaker 2: It's whereas Britain, it's less about your Links golf when
Speaker 2: it gets firm like that in Melbourne, it's less about
Speaker 2: really the lie you have, and it's more about your angle.
Speaker 2: If you're in the right angle, you can generally work
Speaker 2: with your going up the hill or whatever, and you
Speaker 2: can use the slope. If you're on the wrong side,
Speaker 2: it's a real So it's kind of it's a bit
Speaker 2: of a hybrid between them both A minutes kind of more.
Speaker 2: It looks more like American golf on the surface, but
Speaker 2: it plays more like Links golf when you're actually playing it.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: See that's the that's the case why Australian Open should
Speaker 1: be a major.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean astray, it's like playing on Long Island.
Speaker 2: Anyone who's ever played Shinnacock, or like seeing the way
Speaker 2: Shinakon plays outside of like the USGA set up, sam
Speaker 2: Bel golf plays a bit like that. You know, it's
Speaker 2: a little bit postal, but it's a little bit firm,
Speaker 2: but it's not quite as fiery and kind of random.
Speaker 2: Linx golf is quite random. It seems random when you
Speaker 2: first play. It is that crazy bounces?
Speaker 1: What what do you think about the is it is
Speaker 1: a draw? Were you ever on like the wrong side
Speaker 1: of a bad draw? Is the draw really a big
Speaker 1: deal as everybody makes it out to be? In Open?
Speaker 2: The draw can be. I mean it can be a
Speaker 2: complete game changer. It completely put you out of the
Speaker 2: tournament if you get in the wrong one. Were the
Speaker 2: worst one? I got the burkedar one that Harrington won.
Speaker 2: Funnily enough, Harrington was the group in front of me,
Speaker 2: and he won the tournament, but no one else within
Speaker 2: an hour each side of us even made the cut.
Speaker 2: Like he just freaked out. He made the cut on
Speaker 2: the number and had a really good weekend. I think
Speaker 2: I made I think he actually birdied like two of
Speaker 2: the last three on Friday to sneak in by a
Speaker 2: couple and then had a great weekend and one but
Speaker 2: that one it was it blew hard all day on Thursday,
Speaker 2: really hard. But in the afternoon it blew and rained
Speaker 2: like really hard. So we played in fifty mile an
Speaker 2: hour winds and rain, whereas the morning they just played
Speaker 2: in fifty mile in hour wins and that's it was
Speaker 2: a big difference in scores. You can get really really
Speaker 2: unlucky because you have guys on the golf course at
Speaker 2: six point fifty in the morning and you have guys
Speaker 2: on the golf course at eight thirty at night. I
Speaker 2: mean that's fourteen hours difference. And on the coast, I
Speaker 2: mean it can be you get have four different days
Speaker 2: in one day, like when you're that close to the coast,
Speaker 2: and you have these weird situations where it'll be dead
Speaker 2: still and the tide will change and the wind will
Speaker 2: just stop blowing the other way, or the wind will
Speaker 2: be blowing off the left and then you'll just turn
Speaker 2: around and it'll start blowing off the right just for fun.
Speaker 2: Like it just changes all the time, and you see
Speaker 2: the storms coming in over the water and stuff, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a drawer is really really important. Generally, I think
Speaker 2: it's kind of even probably, but you can get really
Speaker 2: unlucky and it's so annoying, and you know you've got
Speaker 2: unlucky out for three holes that you can just tell.
Speaker 2: And it's so depressing when you've got to wait a
Speaker 2: whole another year because you just know you you're really
Speaker 2: you're really going to be struggling to get anything done.
Speaker 1: So have you played port Rush?
Speaker 2: I haven't played port Rush. No, it looks incredible, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It looks really cool. So I've been seeing kind of
Speaker 1: everybody describing port Rush as a fair links course, like
Speaker 1: in in the same vein of as Brokedale. What what's
Speaker 1: the difference between what makes a fair links course like
Speaker 1: when a pro ss it's a fair links course.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't ascribe to the I don't like this.
Speaker 2: I actually like the randomness. But generally the pro's position
Speaker 2: is they don't want to hit a shot that they'd
Speaker 2: normally be a good shot and they haven't bounce into
Speaker 2: the wrong spot, you know, and when a lynx gets fired.
Speaker 2: Some of them are extreme like this, like a Saint George's,
Speaker 2: like a Sinnandrew's those places get it's seemingly on the surface,
Speaker 2: super random, Like you hit a shot and one time
Speaker 2: it bounces to the right, the next time it bounces
Speaker 2: hard and runs over the green, the next time it
Speaker 2: bounces to the left. Like that stuff pros hate. They
Speaker 2: like to get the result from the shot that they
Speaker 2: knew they were going to get. Like in the US,
Speaker 2: you hit a five one two hundred yards, it lands
Speaker 2: at one nine and it stops at two a one
Speaker 2: or something, you kind of know, whereas that same shot
Speaker 2: in Britain it could run twenty when it lands, or
Speaker 2: it could just hit an ups open stop. Pros hate
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, that kind of quirk. But funnily enough,
Speaker 2: the quirkier it gets by the end of the week,
Speaker 2: usually the higher level of the player that wins, you know,
Speaker 2: like that's well, I mean, Watson won around the bouncy,
Speaker 2: quirky ones. You know, those great all time legends. They
Speaker 2: find a way Standrew's, i mean, finds finds the number
Speaker 2: one golfer in the world very often. Tiger in his
Speaker 2: two when he was in the most form, the two
Speaker 2: Sanandras opens, he just dominated him, you know, with all
Speaker 2: the quirk in the world. So I would argue that
Speaker 2: that's more fair because the best golfer is won by more,
Speaker 2: you know, but the standard position is and I agree
Speaker 2: with it too. It sucks when you're a pro and
Speaker 2: it's your thing to hit a great shot and see
Speaker 2: it bounce into a bunker and know you're going to
Speaker 2: make bogey and it wasn't your fault. But if you
Speaker 2: take a higher perspective and you look back over the week, generally,
Speaker 2: any shot that's a well struck shot will generally go
Speaker 2: in a pretty decent place generally, especially if you've chosen
Speaker 2: the right shot with the right club. It's a and
Speaker 2: it's all in front of you thing. I don't understand
Speaker 2: that phrase either, Like every golf course is in front
Speaker 2: of you, you know, Like what are you looking backwards
Speaker 2: when you're playing? You know what I'm saying, Like you
Speaker 2: walk backwards up the fairway. Every course is in front
Speaker 2: of you. Like, I don't know, I know what that
Speaker 2: means really, but I hear port Rush is really penal Scotty.
Speaker 2: I was reading about Scotty this morning on somewhere Doug
Speaker 2: Fergie's article, and he was saying it's gonna be really
Speaker 2: pain off. It's a lot of reloading and stuff, so
Speaker 2: that'll be interesting. Must be green ruff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it's going to blow up there too,
Speaker 1: got to that's the last two weeks, the Irish and Scottish.
Speaker 1: It's just spent dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that renaissance. I mean that's not built
Speaker 2: for a golf course where they just played the Scottish
Speaker 2: Open and not a golf tournament. I should say that's
Speaker 2: a that's a really beautiful place. But talking about par
Speaker 2: they probably just for sanity's sake, should have adjusted part
Speaker 2: a little bit there for those scores and they didn't
Speaker 2: really get the win they should. But Ireland, I would think,
Speaker 2: is generally a little bit windier. Maybe it's pretty small island,
Speaker 2: pretty windy place. I don't know, it's a fair I
Speaker 2: think pros like it to not be so fiery bouncy too,
Speaker 2: you know, like Ho Lake. That was another one that
Speaker 2: was completely The ball was running fifty yards when we
Speaker 2: played Halllake in O six and who won te tiger.
Speaker 2: You know, so on the surface it seems unfair and
Speaker 2: I used when I first got there, I thought, this
Speaker 2: is a joke. Good shots going a bad place. This
Speaker 2: is ridiculous, he can a good player show himself. But
Speaker 2: by the end I started thinking, you know what, I
Speaker 2: think almost the quirky year get it. It's to the
Speaker 2: good players advantage or to the complete play who's got
Speaker 2: all the shots. It seems to always end up that way.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem that way if you measure it all
Speaker 2: on just the basis of one shot or two shots,
Speaker 2: But if you go on the basis of two hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy five shots, it seems like it's it's a
Speaker 2: it's a it finds the better player somehow.
Speaker 1: I imagine that the firmness, like it's consistently firm at
Speaker 1: an Open, more so than any other event, and that's
Speaker 1: gonna separate the good from the great play, or the
Speaker 1: good from the mediocre play. More. Did you feel like
Speaker 1: when you came into and Open with in good form,
Speaker 1: you played accordingly and when you were maybe struggling a little,
Speaker 1: you say, struggled more so than most tournaments.
Speaker 2: I feel like the Open, you can't be struggling with
Speaker 2: your ball striking, like the traditional thinking would be like
Speaker 2: the US Open be a ball striking test, right, But
Speaker 2: I but I actually found that the Open the British
Speaker 2: Open was the ball striking test, and that the US
Speaker 2: Open was the short game test. That's what I found
Speaker 2: I could. I found like a US Opens, I could
Speaker 2: hit the ball ply, find way to just kind of
Speaker 2: scratch it around somehow, getting it up and down the Open.
Speaker 2: You can't fake it if you've got a twenty mile
Speaker 2: an hour crosswind and you've got like hey on both
Speaker 2: sides of the fairway and bunkers, you're not going to
Speaker 2: get on the grand toot irregulation. You can't fake it
Speaker 2: under that fairway. There's no You've got to hit a
Speaker 2: real shot. I always found that if I wasn't hitting
Speaker 2: it well when I went there, I struggled mightily. But
Speaker 2: if I was hitting the ball well, then I would
Speaker 2: usually go all right, like under control. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: crosswinds are the biggest equalizer in your ball striking, especially
Speaker 2: cross wind You get crosswinds a lot of these links.
Speaker 2: They're not all out and back, but they often they'll
Speaker 2: go out for five holes and like they'll go in
Speaker 2: eight lines for five holes. Quite often you'll get three
Speaker 2: or four holes in a row, like running along the coast,
Speaker 2: and if you're pumping off the left and you're not
Speaker 2: very good with that twenty mile an hour left right wind.
Speaker 2: And you've got five holes in a row with a
Speaker 2: left right wind, you know, like ten shots in a
Speaker 2: row or whatever it would be. You're not getting through
Speaker 2: that stretch. Well unless you're riding that shot. Well you
Speaker 2: know where, say the US Open, you're gonna the other ones.
Speaker 2: I feel like you could save yourself around the greens,
Speaker 2: but the Open's got more you're not making You're not
Speaker 2: saving it. If you hit it in a links bunker
Speaker 2: off the fairway, on the tee, you're chipping it out.
Speaker 2: There's no amount of skill that can actually get you
Speaker 2: to make par. Really, you just take your penalty shot
Speaker 2: and go on. I find it a ball striking test
Speaker 2: more than anything else, and such a fun test too.
Speaker 1: It might be kind of counterintuitive with everything else in
Speaker 1: Gothic by setting up the US Open to be the
Speaker 1: toughest test. It makes it a short game competition in
Speaker 1: a sense because everybody is going to miss a little bit.
Speaker 2: But because it's so hard, right, I mean, nobody can
Speaker 2: hit everything there.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, But with the Open, the Open by their
Speaker 1: kind ofwithstanding the ninety nine Carnoustie where it was ten
Speaker 1: years wide, and hey on either side. But their belief
Speaker 1: of like just letting it happen. It becomes the ball
Speaker 1: striking test because if you if you're playing really well,
Speaker 1: you could conceivably hit every fairway in every green.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean the nice thing about the
Speaker 2: Open from that kind of what you just mentioned is
Speaker 2: that nobody knows who the setup man is, Like, what's
Speaker 2: his name? Who's setting up there? You probably do right,
Speaker 2: but nobody else does.
Speaker 1: I only know Martin Slumbers because I think he's got
Speaker 1: one of the best names in golf. But I don't
Speaker 1: think he sets it up. He's just the guy that
Speaker 1: he did. He sprung the driver test last year on everybody.
Speaker 1: Murty sleeps, yeah.
Speaker 2: Mighty sleeps well. They generally you play, if you go
Speaker 2: to Port Rush and any other time, you'll be playing
Speaker 2: the same course they're going to play this week. I mean,
Speaker 2: it'll be in better condition. I'm sure the RNA gives
Speaker 2: them a bit of a budget to like spend a
Speaker 2: bit more money on the course and have a few
Speaker 2: more staff and have it all a bit neater and
Speaker 2: like kind of nicer, and maybe the ruff is a
Speaker 2: little bit thicker than like the members play. But generally
Speaker 2: you play port Rush how it's supposed to be, or
Speaker 2: you play Snandre's how it is, or you play St.
Speaker 2: George's just how the members play it, and you're just
Speaker 2: off the back teas and just go have at it. Boys.
Speaker 2: And if it's windy and it's firm, you get a
Speaker 2: par and it's soft that doesn't play. You're going to
Speaker 2: go under. That's there. They kind of just leave it
Speaker 2: up to God in a sense, you know, whereas the
Speaker 2: USGA try to manipulate the playing field to kind of
Speaker 2: get the result they want, you know, and look, it
Speaker 2: works sometimes on one side, and it doesn't work on
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes the open backfires, but if the weather's
Speaker 2: crazy or it's dead still or whatever, but it doesn't really,
Speaker 2: it's just just a different approach.
Speaker 1: Seems like the setup, like I mean almost only the
Speaker 1: really the big philosophy philosophical difference is green speeds. That's
Speaker 1: why they're able to just not do anything, like they
Speaker 1: just set it up. It's like, well, we aren't going
Speaker 1: to let the greens get out of control because that's
Speaker 1: where most of the problems happen.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, usually, and we look, they're lucky that they
Speaker 2: don't even have the chance, right because they know it's
Speaker 2: going to blow. They know it's going to blow, and
Speaker 2: they just can't. They've just never got the option to
Speaker 2: try to get them fast. Plus links greens just don't
Speaker 2: get that fast, I don't think. But the only issues
Speaker 2: I've ever had in opens or at Scenandra's, the last
Speaker 2: two opens we payt at Snandra's had big windolays because
Speaker 2: probably the eleventh green was cut just a little bit fast,
Speaker 2: you know. But you get situations at Snandra's. I come
Speaker 2: to which one it was five or ten or fifteen,
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I think it was ten. That the
Speaker 2: fairways were rolling faster than the greens, like and it
Speaker 2: was the last one we had to play. I think
Speaker 2: it was ten or fifteen fifteen. They had to put
Speaker 2: dots around, like little tiny little dots around the edges
Speaker 2: of every green, so the caddies front of the greens
Speaker 2: were in the back of the greens because and the
Speaker 2: rules for because that was when pins needed to be
Speaker 2: in and out for green because you couldn't tell the
Speaker 2: difference between the fairway and the green. That's the old course,
Speaker 2: and that to me, that's actually ideal. It's like really
Speaker 2: really cool right, But from a tournament perspective, like with
Speaker 2: all the it would be different. Now. I guess you
Speaker 2: know you can leave the pin in, but they had
Speaker 2: to mark out the edge of the greens, so the
Speaker 2: fairways that snandras can roll at ten I reckon sometimes,
Speaker 2: which is interesting and then we're going way off topic.
Speaker 2: But the thing about the open is that when you
Speaker 2: have like kind of slower, flatter greens bring it makes
Speaker 2: it more of a ball shriking contest. You know. It
Speaker 2: balances the test. I mean, putting is difficult. A dead
Speaker 2: straight up from four feet with a little bit of
Speaker 2: pressure on you for anybody is kind of a bit
Speaker 2: of a mental test, right, we aren't testing. The putting
Speaker 2: end of the game is the mental test. The hitting
Speaker 2: end of the game is the physical test. Right. It
Speaker 2: seems to balance it out a little bit. The balance
Speaker 2: and the links between how well you hit it and
Speaker 2: how well you put seems to be a bit more measured,
Speaker 2: like a little bit more equal. Sometimes you get to
Speaker 2: these ultra soft courses like a normal PGA two of it,
Speaker 2: like in Palm Springs or something, and it's all about putting.
Speaker 2: The whole field can hit it inside twenty feet on
Speaker 2: every hole because the shots are really easy. So to
Speaker 2: whoever holes in most twenty foot is at the Open,
Speaker 2: it's only good ball striking that gets you to twenty feet, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it seems to be.
Speaker 1: The firmness has a factor there too.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Yeah, because I M not too fast.
Speaker 1: Because if you toll one at a firm links course,
Speaker 1: if you tow one and you got a little hook spin,
Speaker 1: it's not stopping twenty feet away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just a bit. It's a bit more depth
Speaker 2: to the test to something. But I kind of like, look,
Speaker 2: I think most golfers in the world would love a
Speaker 2: bit of anxiety from the putting taken out of the game.
Speaker 2: You know, generally speaking, thirteen thirteen on the stimp greens
Speaker 2: with holes on sides of hills is a good anxiety
Speaker 2: inducing situation. You know, you got to links all that,
Speaker 2: you just get all the fun of hitting the shots,
Speaker 2: and then you just get down there and you try
Speaker 2: to roll the put in the hole. It's not like
Speaker 2: the be all and end all putting. It's very important, clearly,
Speaker 2: but it seems to be just more balanced. It's less
Speaker 2: of a putting contest and more of a you know,
Speaker 2: if you hit the ball well this week, you'll do
Speaker 2: all right. If you put well this week, you'll do
Speaker 2: all right. But it doesn't seem to overwhelmingly suit one
Speaker 2: side or the other. As I said, it's more of
Speaker 2: a ball striking contest before, but I think golf is
Speaker 2: generally more of a pudding contest, at least in the
Speaker 2: winning the tournament situation. It's the guy who holds the
Speaker 2: most parts, and I think the openers the guy wins
Speaker 2: the tournament probably as the goal hits the most good shots.
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just it's become my favorite
Speaker 1: tournament to watch year and year out. I think the
Speaker 1: last few have just been so good too. Like last
Speaker 1: year at Carnoustie. You know, it was playing so fast
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh, are they just going to bomb it?
Speaker 1: You know, bomb it up and you know, play bombing gouge,
Speaker 1: and sure enough, like it was. I'll never get the
Speaker 1: Like Thursday morning, you know some people are just trying
Speaker 1: to hit driver everywhere and they were just they just
Speaker 1: got blown off the face of the earth, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to trying that strategy, and it became I mean
Speaker 1: and you look at the leader board, like the guys
Speaker 1: that were up there last last year, and it was
Speaker 1: like what more could you ask? You had a variety
Speaker 1: and styles of play, but they I mean you had
Speaker 1: Molinari was playing the best golf of anybody in the
Speaker 1: world at that time, and Tiger and you had Speeth
Speaker 1: and you had I mean, it just it's such a
Speaker 1: beautiful version of the game.
Speaker 2: It just gives everyone a chance. Right. It's very democratic.
Speaker 2: If you're really really good at an aspect of the game,
Speaker 2: it is really rewarded, you know. And and it's a
Speaker 2: mental test too, right. I mean, Jordan is always going
Speaker 2: to do If Jordan's informed, he's going to do well
Speaker 2: and opens because he thinks well for opens. You know,
Speaker 2: He's got that kind of mature kind of golf think,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean it's hard to see imagine Dustin
Speaker 2: not like presenting in a few of these. He hits
Speaker 2: the ball so well, but yeah, probably has to take
Speaker 2: the dry rout of his hand. Probably. You go out
Speaker 2: there with a great too on and like kind of
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it's a it is very democratic.
Speaker 2: I mean, Zach Johnson can win it. S Andrews and
Speaker 2: Brooks can win somewhere else and like it's everybody can win.
Speaker 1: You know, Rory is the batting favorite, and he's going
Speaker 1: to be playing in his home hometown. What you played
Speaker 1: a lot of golf at at high levels, but you know,
Speaker 1: very rarely in front of your home crowd. Is it
Speaker 1: is it different playing at home when you have a
Speaker 1: played there very much?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. I mean he's gonna I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what it's like for him. I mean,
Speaker 2: to be as big as Rory is anyway, and to
Speaker 2: do it in Ireland and to do it at home.
Speaker 2: The Open hasn't been there for fifty sixty years or whatever,
Speaker 2: Like it's a big deal. Like it's going to be
Speaker 2: hard for him. Hopefully he can. The first round is
Speaker 2: going to be the hard part for him, you know,
Speaker 2: those first six holes, first nine holes. If he gets
Speaker 2: in and he's kind of doing it right out, you'll
Speaker 2: probably get comfortable. Like whenever I've the nerves and the
Speaker 2: pressure for me, always felt like pre first t you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like once I got on the golf course,
Speaker 2: regardless of the situation, oh now I'm happy. Like it's
Speaker 2: the off the course that I'm uncomfortable with all the
Speaker 2: attention and all this stuff. As soon as I get
Speaker 2: on the court, well, this is what I know how
Speaker 2: to do. I'll just do that. I know how to
Speaker 2: play golf, you know, so I can just do this.
Speaker 2: But that lead up and that pressure, I mean, how
Speaker 2: many people are going to be yelling Rory at him
Speaker 2: everywhere he steps, like everywhere. It's going to be tough.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like Wheezy in the Canadian Open, you know,
Speaker 2: a few times. Like It's just hopefully it doesn't become
Speaker 2: a burden. It's hard to carry. Is what a story
Speaker 2: that would be? Would be pretty special?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be incredible. It's a I think, like
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the sneaky tough things when
Speaker 1: you play at home, is like there's an added layer
Speaker 1: of expectation, an added layer of like just one extra
Speaker 1: dimension of to the game, which would make a win
Speaker 1: even more unbelievable. It's who do you think, I mean,
Speaker 1: who would you be picking this week?
Speaker 2: Well, he clearly is a he has to be looked
Speaker 2: at as a Rory obviously Brooks and Dustin Scottie. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's probably a good one for Adam because as I said,
Speaker 2: it's the open I would say is his best chance
Speaker 2: at the moment because it doesn't probably require as much putting.
Speaker 2: Level of putting. It's a real ball striking test, especially
Speaker 2: if it's windy. Well, so you who you picking? Let
Speaker 2: me let me have a thing for a minute. Is
Speaker 2: there a field list I can look at?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you find find it. The one of the things
Speaker 1: that joke said on the pod which was really interesting
Speaker 1: about port Rush was unlike almost every other rot of course,
Speaker 1: port Rush has because of when it was built. It
Speaker 1: has a cohesive set of greens. So Colt built you know,
Speaker 1: eighteen green. They have two new holes, but sixteen of
Speaker 1: the eighteen greens are the original Colt greens really, which
Speaker 1: is like pretty good. Yeah, it's so he said. He
Speaker 1: was saying, you know that that they have it has
Speaker 1: a more a little bit more complex green green complexes
Speaker 1: hole a hole than a lot of the Rota courses.
Speaker 1: Other like Mierfield, he said, it also has unbelievable green
Speaker 1: so too.
Speaker 2: I will Millfield's greens are great. I will say, how
Speaker 2: about I always picked Louis right because I just lose
Speaker 2: my favorite goalver. He's just complete, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: just he has he doesn't have weaknesses, right, and and
Speaker 2: he's finished second in every major, so he clearly is
Speaker 2: good in the big, big big thing. And he was
Speaker 2: up there somewhere recently winning in the PGA or somewhere
Speaker 2: another he was open a roundabout.
Speaker 1: I think, well, and he's like what you talked about.
Speaker 1: It's a ball striking test, like there's not many, you know.
Speaker 2: And he hits half shots well, and he hits like
Speaker 2: he's quite happy to hit a little dinky five iron
Speaker 2: from one fifty like he plays like that anyway. And
Speaker 2: Fleetwood he's probably a little bit not quite a sh
Speaker 2: doesn't have the shine that he did this time last summer,
Speaker 2: but he is a ball striker. He's going to win
Speaker 2: one of these soon, he is. Rory would be my favorite,
Speaker 2: and I go Louis in Fleetwood is my These dark horses,
Speaker 2: not many dark horses, but I.
Speaker 1: Might Moulinari could be a good pick. He hasn't played
Speaker 1: that great though this year. You know, Repeating's gout.
Speaker 2: Is tough too, ram and have to be a chance,
Speaker 2: you would think. I mean, he's he's a thumper like
Speaker 2: he hits the ball, he hits a heavy ball like
Speaker 2: he hits that kind of low spin really like a
Speaker 2: perfect ball for the UK, like it's it's I don't know,
Speaker 2: this's just something about the way he strikes it that
Speaker 2: I think could be really really impressive there. And he
Speaker 2: just won in Ireland last week right or two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: That he seems like a guy that if he wanted to,
Speaker 1: could hit it twenty yards thirty yards further. But he
Speaker 1: hits that low you know, low little cut as opposed
Speaker 1: to hitting that high launch bomb.
Speaker 2: He's funny on the range. You get him on the
Speaker 2: range and he does he hits at three ten, three ten,
Speaker 2: three ten, and then he like goes at one. It's
Speaker 2: he's got gears on top of his gears. He has
Speaker 2: got multiple more gears. He doesn't use. He's a big kid,
Speaker 2: and he swings it really efficiently. He creates really easy.
Speaker 2: He's he just he gets emotional right, so that that
Speaker 2: helps you if you get in the right situation at
Speaker 2: the right time, you know what I mean. So if
Speaker 2: he can kind of they uh say that there's the
Speaker 2: Spanish tend to really kind of and the Italians, like Millinariy,
Speaker 2: they get so into it that if you get when
Speaker 2: they get in that kind of mood, they're almost impossible
Speaker 2: to beat, you know, but when they get in the
Speaker 2: bad side of things, it kind of goes quickly the
Speaker 2: other way. And he's very like Sergio kind of was,
Speaker 2: so if he's feeling it, he's got a perfect game
Speaker 2: for there.
Speaker 1: I read that that article you did about temper. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what uh? You know, it was interesting. It was like
Speaker 1: how you you ran a little hot younger, but then it,
Speaker 1: you know, like you grew like so ram. Everybody always
Speaker 1: is like, well, temper, like, you know, can you control it?
Speaker 1: Like what you know in your experience with like dealing
Speaker 1: with like temper and competitive golf, Like anybody that's played
Speaker 1: competitive golf understands what a tempt you know, like there's
Speaker 1: nothing more frustrating, Like how I mean, like, how do
Speaker 1: you use it to your advantage?
Speaker 2: I think when I went when I was young anyway,
Speaker 2: and I'd get filthy angry, and then I'd be angry
Speaker 2: for about four holes, and I kind of worked out
Speaker 2: after a while that I wasn't angry at the shot anymore.
Speaker 2: I was just angry at myself for getting angry again,
Speaker 2: you know, And you get into this spirals like you're
Speaker 2: such an idiot? What are you doing? Like, come on, man,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? You're an idiot and you're just
Speaker 2: all five holes later, it's like you've just made three
Speaker 2: focuses like what was I doing. I don't think you
Speaker 2: ever get to the point where you don't have that
Speaker 2: kind of flash of anger come up when you frustrate yourself,
Speaker 2: because otherwise you wouldn't. The type of people who want
Speaker 2: to be competitive are the people who are going to
Speaker 2: be like that, Right, If you don't care at all,
Speaker 2: then you don't probably make it to that level. Right.
Speaker 2: And look, but dust I mean there's outliers. I mean,
Speaker 2: Dustin doesn't seem to know how to get angry, you know,
Speaker 2: and he's the best player in the world. Brooks doesn't
Speaker 2: look like he knows how to get angry, but most
Speaker 2: I mean, Tiger's the angriest player I ever played with.
Speaker 2: But he was also the best at turning it to
Speaker 2: flicking the switch back on. And he he used anger
Speaker 2: in a positive way. I mean, his next shot when
Speaker 2: he was angry, it almost focused it. He got angry
Speaker 2: to focus himself, you know, stop chatting to the boys.
Speaker 2: Come on, Tiger, you Tiger was the said a good shot,
Speaker 2: Come on, don't be stupid, and he would. He would
Speaker 2: hick his bag or something and yell at Stevie or something,
Speaker 2: and then thirty seconds later he looks like the best
Speaker 2: goal from the world. Again, whereas most guys are three holes, lady,
Speaker 2: you can tell that they're still mad, you know, heads
Speaker 2: down and grumbling under their breath after every shot and
Speaker 2: I shot again, what are you doing there? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's we all have. I just got better and better
Speaker 2: at just getting it out and then getting it away,
Speaker 2: and then I had period. It's actually recently where i'd
Speaker 2: like internalize it. I think internalizing it's bad. I think
Speaker 2: what Ram does is actually really good. You know, you
Speaker 2: just got to find ways to do it that doesn't
Speaker 2: with other people off. You know, that doesn't leave any
Speaker 2: scars in your brin.
Speaker 1: You know, it's and that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like such a frustrating game.
Speaker 1: It doesn't put any people anybody off if you win
Speaker 1: and you get angry every once in a while, like
Speaker 1: Tiger proved that because you know, like he would drop
Speaker 1: f bombs, he'd throw clubs, you know, and and rom
Speaker 1: it just because it seems like it sticks with him
Speaker 1: once he gets you know, like you can see it
Speaker 1: growing and then all of a sudden it's like an eruption.
Speaker 1: And it's so what you said is so true. Like
Speaker 1: I I used to have a temper and I would
Speaker 1: get I would get mad at myself for getting mad.
Speaker 2: I mean, what sort of a situation is that? I mean,
Speaker 2: how dumb is that? But we do it ron, This
Speaker 2: is crazy, It's.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's well, that's that's one of the
Speaker 1: things with golf. It's just the that's the mental side
Speaker 1: of it too. It's like there's nothing worse than when
Speaker 1: you you make a mistake in your you know, you
Speaker 1: know you had thought about that before you made it,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just like you're just such an idiot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think ideally, if you can flip it
Speaker 2: to like positive, if you can flip on onto the
Speaker 2: positive really fast, like let it fire you up and
Speaker 2: come on like you know, like kind of football is
Speaker 2: slapping each other on the helmets and stuff to fire
Speaker 2: each other up. But if you use it like that anger,
Speaker 2: I think that's how kind of Tiger did. I think.
Speaker 2: I think he used it to focus himself. Whereas say
Speaker 2: I'll pick on ram or say Sergio or one of
Speaker 2: these guys, they tend to it changes their mood so
Speaker 2: that it kind of a dark cloud goes over in
Speaker 2: for a few holes, you know, and so they're more
Speaker 2: susceptible to like getting frustrated about the crowd or the marshals,
Speaker 2: or their caddy or their next shot. The good players,
Speaker 2: it's almost like the anger blows the clouds away from clarity.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not the good plazas, the the mentally
Speaker 2: good guys. But saying that, I mean Tiger was, like
Speaker 2: you said, he was dropping f bombs, he was winning
Speaker 2: every week. Jordan, when he was at his best, he
Speaker 2: was certainly on the edge, you know, right on that
Speaker 2: kind of edge of anger all the time. When Jordan
Speaker 2: was playing well, him and Michael were very animated. So
Speaker 2: and he was the best player in the world. So
Speaker 2: there's no and Bryson he's completely psychopathic. Sometimes Bryson right,
Speaker 2: but doesn't affect their score, doesn't seem to. He might
Speaker 2: wear you out emotionally, but it doesn't seem Sometimes some
Speaker 2: guys seem to need to be in that sort of
Speaker 2: kind of white line feverish kind of mindset, you know,
Speaker 2: to get the best out of themselves and other guys
Speaker 2: need to be like Freddie Copple's or Dustin you know,
Speaker 2: just like just a good shot.
Speaker 1: Is that it could like heighten your focus in a
Speaker 1: way because it, like you know, it gets your you
Speaker 1: going a little. Do you do you ever feel like
Speaker 1: you're kind of like a tournament you're like sleepwalking almost.
Speaker 2: Very regularly, And that's partly I think the nature of
Speaker 2: tour golf is groundhog Day, right. You're just every week
Speaker 2: you're on the range on Tuesday with the same guys.
Speaker 2: You're in a different town, but it's the same guys
Speaker 2: in the range. You're working on the same thing. So
Speaker 2: you're going on the pudding green for an hour, You're
Speaker 2: going to go play your practice round, and you do
Speaker 2: it on Wednesday. In the program, it just becomes very
Speaker 2: like that, and that sort of thing becomes a bit.
Speaker 2: You just start going through the if you're not playing well,
Speaker 2: it's very easy to go through the motions for a
Speaker 2: month and then you're not getting mad, right because you're
Speaker 2: just kind of mechanically going doing your process, doing your thing.
Speaker 2: It's when you're really fired up about a tournaments where
Speaker 2: you've got to be careful with your anger situation. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I was always playing in front of my
Speaker 2: Whenever my dad caddied for me when I was young,
Speaker 2: that was my angry day because I didn't want to
Speaker 2: let him down, you know. And funnily enough, when i'd
Speaker 2: get angry, that was what let him down. Because I
Speaker 2: was getting angry you didn't care how I played. So
Speaker 2: it's ironic. How have anything.
Speaker 1: The dad caddy is one of the hardest things to
Speaker 1: deal with in a tournament. Yeah, it's stuff.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be sh be the best, right, should be
Speaker 2: the most comfortable, great situation. But the person in the
Speaker 2: world we want to impress the most is standing right
Speaker 2: next to us.
Speaker 1: It's tough, it's hard. I'm taken out of Scott That's good.
Speaker 2: Cool, thank this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to this, Listen to this forum. He's barely
Speaker 1: played this year. I kind of like that. But twelfth
Speaker 1: of the players, eighteenth of the Masters, and he was
Speaker 1: like in that, that's it. That eighteenth is deceiving eighth
Speaker 1: of the PGA, second at the Memorial, seventh at the
Speaker 1: US Opens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on form and he's playing. I mean we
Speaker 2: talked about it the last couple of years, Like he
Speaker 2: started having kids and stuff. He's had a couple of
Speaker 2: kids in the now, like getting the schedule to like
Speaker 2: balance all that out, and he's all great going away
Speaker 2: for a month, really working hard and coming back and
Speaker 2: being informed. I always needed to kind of play in
Speaker 2: the form, but he's been. Really he can get He's
Speaker 2: like Tiger. He can get ready without any tournaments beforehand,
Speaker 2: and he loves this process of getting ready for major's
Speaker 2: is his favorite thing. He's been there for four or
Speaker 2: five days already. He's been playing with Darren Clark. He's
Speaker 2: he loves that kind of camping there for two weeks
Speaker 2: and just getting his house and just doing his own
Speaker 2: thing and really grinding and winning the tournament. So again,
Speaker 2: it's all about the start. There's so much in these tournaments.
Speaker 2: It's about the start for these guys, for everyone. If
Speaker 2: you get off and you're you're top fifteen or twenty
Speaker 2: after one round and you have a nice round and
Speaker 2: you're kind of in the mix of say, it takes
Speaker 2: all that pre pressure and all the build up is gone.
Speaker 2: Now you're in the torn. Now you're just doing what
Speaker 2: you know how to do. But you go out and
Speaker 2: you're kind of two over after seven and you feel
Speaker 2: like you've got a bad draw and it's windy and
Speaker 2: your swing feels a bit weird or something that it
Speaker 2: gets tough in that situation. Get off to a good start.
Speaker 2: Any of these guys can win. Starts important.
Speaker 1: I feel like that starts the hardest thing to competitive golf.
Speaker 2: It really is, as I said, because the pre for
Speaker 2: me anyway, the pre tournament, the non golf stuff was
Speaker 2: the stuff that I was uncomfortable with. You know, as
Speaker 2: soon as I went down that hit it on the fairway,
Speaker 2: if I was playing okay, it's like, this is what
Speaker 2: I know how to do. You know I can do this.
Speaker 2: It's all they're trying to go to. In contention, or
Speaker 2: before a big tournament, you have a sleepless kind of
Speaker 2: night the night before and you're kind of worrying about
Speaker 2: the weather and if I've got enough food in my
Speaker 2: bag and how many golf ball should I take, and
Speaker 2: I wonder if my caddy's going to sleep in and
Speaker 2: is he at the park or not, and all that
Speaker 2: stuff you get on the golf course, you just it's golf.
Speaker 2: And almost everyone on tour is the same art she
Speaker 2: start playing golf. This is what we know how to
Speaker 2: do and we're comfortable. But there's so much build up
Speaker 2: now and there's so much media attention and just so
Speaker 2: much kind of talk, so many like kind of outlets
Speaker 2: to you can't get away from it. If you get
Speaker 2: on the Twitter or the Instagram or the Internet, or
Speaker 2: you watch golf channel or you watch an you just
Speaker 2: can't get away from all the mean this we're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's just there, right, It's tough. That's why. That's another
Speaker 2: reason I think the start is really hard because there's
Speaker 2: probably fifty guys who think they're an outroute, they're an
Speaker 2: outright definite chance to win this tournament. And and that
Speaker 2: puts your puts you through all sorts of emotions, you know,
Speaker 2: if you think you're a chance to win one of
Speaker 2: these things and life changing thing important important, it's it's
Speaker 2: been made so important by the golf world these tournaments.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: I feel like too. If you have, like you know,
Speaker 1: if you miss, say you just miss one left in
Speaker 1: your first five shots, that miss left is more memorable
Speaker 1: than if you miss that if you hit that same
Speaker 1: shot midway through your second round.
Speaker 2: Oh, if you do it early, yeah, yeah, that first
Speaker 2: t shots really key. There's a couple of key shots.
Speaker 2: I mean it's there's that first driver or the first
Speaker 2: t shot of the first hole. If you hit that
Speaker 2: one down the middle, that's usually that's settled, very settling.
Speaker 2: You know that you have that cruisy, easy first hole.
Speaker 2: You know, hit it down the hit at the fifteen
Speaker 2: feet or whatever you hit. A good party goes in
Speaker 2: or it doesn't. But you have that zero stress whole.
Speaker 2: You don't have a drive at the rough, like get
Speaker 2: a flyer over the green ship it down to eight
Speaker 2: feet and have it down. Here'll love to write for part.
Speaker 2: Even if you make it. There's different ways to make
Speaker 2: par on the first hole, right, it's you love to
Speaker 2: kind of get into the tournament and the stress kind
Speaker 2: of gently. You know that nice cruisy par or Bertie
Speaker 2: on the first hole, no no problem, no fairway, bunkers,
Speaker 2: no plug lies. Yeah, it's but you can't guarantee that.
Speaker 2: I mean, they could get to the first two on
Speaker 2: Thursday and it could be blowing fifty in raining, you know,
Speaker 2: and like all your preparation goes out in the window.
Speaker 2: It's like I haven't played in three layers of rain
Speaker 2: gear for a while, and like beanies and wearing my
Speaker 2: rain gloves and.
Speaker 1: Just hoping to hang on to the club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's so disappointing too when you
Speaker 2: have these built up and you get that crazy forecast
Speaker 2: for the first day or the second day or something. Stuff.
Speaker 2: But it's such a good tournament. You can tell both
Speaker 2: of us love it because the way we're talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to watch chake up my alarm set.
Speaker 1: What the schedule over there has got to be.
Speaker 2: It's not at night, but it's kind of brutal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not much sleep this week. It's kind of I
Speaker 2: think it kicks off about ten at night and then
Speaker 2: then you settle into a night of trying to sleep
Speaker 2: but leaving the TV on, and it's pretty unhealthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll probably just record it, wake up in the morning
Speaker 2: and watch it, and as there's a winter right here
Speaker 2: at the moment the kids go after school, I watch
Speaker 2: it during the day. Maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say I'm I'm going to be up. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be unfortunately, you know, having to be Oh.
Speaker 2: You've got to get up at what two or three something? Four?
Speaker 1: Yeah, three three, so three it won't be bad, but uh,
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be a good tournament. We'll uh, we'll
Speaker 1: have to talk afterwards.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean it's not
Speaker 2: i mean, look going to Northern Island too, It's like
Speaker 2: it's not historic, but it kind of is. It's a
Speaker 2: historic for a new generation, right, what's it sixty something
Speaker 2: years since it's been there. Pretty sweet and it's funny that,
Speaker 2: especially from an American perspective, this will probably be a
Speaker 2: big open because Ireland, America and Ireland have like a connection,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is. Americans have an affinity for
Speaker 2: Ireland much more than they do Scotland. There will be
Speaker 2: more people tune in just because it's in Ireland, I
Speaker 2: think in the US at least, because as an infinity
Speaker 2: that Irish golf trip, the American kind of pilgrimage to
Speaker 2: go play golf in Ireland is quite a historic thing
Speaker 2: to do. You know.
Speaker 1: Americans too, Yeah, you know, like that's a it's a
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 2: As they It's plenty who claim to be Irish Americans.
Speaker 2: I mean, their family has been in America for seven generations,
Speaker 2: but they're still Irish, right.
Speaker 1: Chicago's the capital of Iris the Irish America.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought Boston was No, I don't know
Speaker 2: who knows.
Speaker 1: Everybody, Yeah, you got that one. It's like everybody.
Speaker 2: It's like everyone claims it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So all right, well we'll talk soon, but thanks
Speaker 1: for coming on as always and uh, you know, letting
Speaker 1: your expertise and knowledge here.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, no worries. Enjoy, enjoy the ipon. We'll talk after.
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