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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Blackout To podcast. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host Rod, joined us always by my co host Karen,

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Speaker 3: And today we are not alone. We have guests. That's

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Speaker 3: why we have company.

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Speaker 2: Everybody act us, act correctly, Hodder, don't be misbehaving, you know,

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Speaker 2: put everything under the covers in the closets. Our guests

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Speaker 2: today are the co host of the Class of nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty nine Podcasts, a podcast that analyzes six films that

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Speaker 2: debuted in nineteen eighty nine, Harlem Knights, Lean On Me, Glory,

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Speaker 2: A Dry White Season, Do the Right Thing, and Driving

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Speaker 2: Miss Daisy.

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Speaker 3: You may be sensing a theme.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show Vincent and Len of the miss

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Speaker 2: Show mission, which I hope I pronounced right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, thank you for having me do.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all for thank you, thank you absolutely let

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Speaker 2: me ask you night to somebody's jam, I say, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Oh come on, oh yes, oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: When y'all was going over the list, I think it

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Speaker 4: may have been one, maybe two movies that I had

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Speaker 4: not seen.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: The only I know I hadn't seen Glory.

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Speaker 4: And that was because it was kind of I won't say,

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Speaker 4: before my time, but.

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Speaker 3: I mean all the movies came out the same year,

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Speaker 3: so there's no okay, so.

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Speaker 4: That all came out and I tell that, Okay, I was.

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Speaker 5: Teen, y'all, I was ten. I'm sorry. I was probably

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Speaker 5: playing with some barbies and something.

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Speaker 3: The rest of myself. You saw the other movies, that means.

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Speaker 2: Harlow Knights, that's that's a bigger Oh yeah, I saw

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Speaker 4: I saw a lot of ship it. I ain't had

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Speaker 4: no business watching that team, but I don't know. Ma

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Speaker 4: Mama must have missed Gry but the rest of them

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Speaker 2: So let me ask y'all first, what is the Michelle mission?

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Speaker 3: And how'd you get that name. Lynn, Well, Vincent, you

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Speaker 3: gave the show its name, so I'll allow you to

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Speaker 3: go in and illustrate that.

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Speaker 1: The mission is just what it sounds like. Two men,

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Speaker 1: one podcast, every black film ever made. So Lynn and

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Speaker 1: I endeavor to watch every black film that has been

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Speaker 1: released theatrically and then talk about it. It's it's named

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Speaker 1: after Octor Michelle, who is a record as the godfather

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Speaker 1: of black films. He was a filmmaker in the late

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Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds, and to call him a

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Speaker 1: filmmaker really doesn't give him credit.

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Speaker 3: He was a.

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Speaker 1: Novelist, a playwright, an activist, basically a traveling salesman because

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Speaker 1: not only would he produce and create these films, he

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Speaker 1: to convinced film theater owners to show them. So he

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Speaker 1: really was a jack of all trade. And besides the

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Speaker 1: film aspect that we have in Commons, we also looked

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Speaker 1: to Oscar Michelle because he really was one of the

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Speaker 1: about our mission of critiquing these films. And although I

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Speaker 1: Lynn really saw the lack of black voices when it

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Speaker 5: We are come on through history.

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting because y'all said, released theatrically.

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Speaker 3: But then we just realized that.

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Speaker 6: often than not, we try and find that distinction between

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Speaker 3: Distinction for them as well.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you say review every black film ever made,

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Speaker 2: what determines a black film for you?

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Speaker 4: Because I saive like like like what you know? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like you know, I think about this week.

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Speaker 2: We're also film critics for North Carolina, so I think

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Speaker 2: about this sometimes. Where like, to me, the color purpose

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Speaker 2: or you know, like sometimes it happens that way. But

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Speaker 2: then also you know, like almost every film a black

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Speaker 2: So how do y'all you know, what's the cutof for y'all,

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Speaker 2: or how do y'all determine that?

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Speaker 1: Well, that that is actually part of the ongoing conversation

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Speaker 1: where there are films, like you've mentioned that are very

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Speaker 1: then it's black themes. One of the films in nineteen

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Speaker 1: around white people's experiences in South Africa. So we grapple

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Speaker 1: to say, we've review both the Goofy movies and last

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think but.

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Speaker 4: That's beautiful though, Like it's beautiful that when it comes

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Speaker 4: all these things. And as we were allowed to be

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Speaker 4: in these phone unquote higher level, higher thinking positions, which

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Speaker 5: Could tell our stories.

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Speaker 4: So I like the fact that when you talk about

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty nine, you are talking about a generation of

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Speaker 4: blackness means to them.

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Speaker 2: I think also the influence black people leave on things.

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Speaker 2: He's like, if you watch the documentary, I think it's

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Speaker 2: is that black enough for you?

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Speaker 2: And how much of the innovation and style that black

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Speaker 2: those things just become like staples of the film industry.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, they weren't doing individual theme music.

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Speaker 2: Or if people weren't doing like this, like the hero

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Speaker 2: even the stuff that we associate now, it's like rock

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Speaker 4: And that's why I was giving you a shout out

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Speaker 4: When it came to like rock and roll, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: So since we didn't write the records, we could be

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Speaker 4: quote unquote thought was that that's that white people shit.

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Speaker 3: Now, y'all. The way to excuse me, just the way

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Speaker 3: to look at it is like this simple and plain.

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Speaker 6: The default for life is anything that you think is cool.

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Speaker 3: Trust me. It started with a brother or a sister.

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Speaker 3: Don't matter. It don't matter what it is. It could

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Speaker 2: It could be a medicine, it could be a stop

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Speaker 2: like it don't matter. It could be the freaking Little Mermaid,

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Speaker 3: It all started with a brother or a sister. If

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Speaker 3: it's cool, it's black. That is so true. Yes, that

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Speaker 2: Like even you made me think about like how innately

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Speaker 4: It's so delicious and and and something else. We were

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Speaker 4: talking about teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. They have a new

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Speaker 4: animation coming out. I didn't know April O'Neill was originally black.

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Speaker 5: Roger has read a lot of those comics, so when

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Speaker 5: I seen she was black. Roger was like, well, she,

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Speaker 5: why are we black?

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Speaker 4: Well, in my world, April O'Neil always been a white woman,

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Speaker 4: because that's how it's been presented to me.

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Speaker 2: Red Haads is day version of black. Like that, like

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Speaker 6: Now, I don't know red Haads is the version of black.

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Speaker 6: about the movie is first of all, just someone's opinion

443
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Speaker 6: about that movie, and it's an invitation for a conversation,

444
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Speaker 6: for a consideration of this art.

445
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Speaker 3: And that's first and foremost.

446
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Speaker 6: What we want to do is to give these films

447
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Speaker 6: the opportunity to live in conversation forever. The same way

448
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 6: people are still talking about Casablanca, The Godfather, the Manchurian Candidate,

449
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 6: all of those they should still be talking about do

450
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 6: the right thing. They should still be talking about the

451
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Speaker 6: history of comedy that's on display in.

452
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Speaker 3: Harlem Knights.

453
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Speaker 2: They should still be talking about Joe Clark and his

454
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Speaker 2: story and lean on Me, and they should still be

455
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Speaker 2: talking about regardless of how you lean on Driveway Season,

456
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Speaker 2: they should still be talking about the themes of apartheid

457
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Speaker 2: and what happened in South Africa and the lessons that

458
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Speaker 2: were learned and that were.

459
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Speaker 3: Not learned from that earth.

460
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Speaker 2: So we're just giving people the opportunity to reconsider, revisit

461
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Speaker 2: those conversations and bring it forward to the twenty first century.

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I also think. No, I also think just from

463
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Speaker 1: the point of view of the creators, the real application

464
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Speaker 1: of your power is who you ask to participate. And

465
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Speaker 1: again I cannot say enough about the participants, and you know,

466
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: just very very thoughtful, very very smart, very very knowledgeable

467
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Speaker 1: about the history, about the context. These films weremain in

468
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Speaker 1: about technical aspects, so that it at least for me,

469
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Speaker 1: you know what, And I'll speak for Lynn too, it's

470
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Speaker 1: almost like our personal opinion of each of these individual movies.

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Speaker 1: It's secondary to, as Lynn said, kind of generating this

472
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Speaker 1: conversation that comes when you let really smart people talk

473
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Speaker 1: about things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's true. And you were talking about the

475
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Speaker 5: people that you were talking to.

476
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Speaker 4: One thing about us and particularly me being a black woman.

477
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Speaker 5: It's a running joke, but it's a true thing.

478
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Speaker 4: A lot of times when it comes to black women,

479
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Speaker 4: A lot of times we're the smartest people in the

480
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Speaker 4: room because we're required to be.

481
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Speaker 5: You know, a lot of times we wonder why.

482
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Speaker 4: Black women forty five degrees because we want to be like, bitch,

483
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Speaker 4: you ain't gonna you ain't You're not gonna do anything

484
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 4: to tell me I'm not smart enough. I got fifty

485
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 4: five degrees, which you got home, you know, so you know,

486
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Speaker 4: So it's one of those things where as almost like

487
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Speaker 4: you're gonna respect me, whether you won't to or not,

488
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 4: because I got the degrees type of thing, you know,

489
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: because that's kind of all the white people look at

490
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 4: how many degrees, how many PhDs, how many dots and letters?

491
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Speaker 5: You got? Well, I got all the docs, all the letters,

492
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Speaker 5: all the eyes.

493
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Speaker 4: What you're gonna say now? And so we almost have

494
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: to know too much, if that makes sense. And so

495
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: because of that, when you go to certain groups of people,

496
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Speaker 4: particularly marginalize people, they are well for the knowledge that's

497
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Speaker 4: kind of ignored, but they know the most a lot

498
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Speaker 4: of times more than any of the group.

499
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Speaker 2: Now, who did How did you determine who to ask

500
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Speaker 2: to participate in giving opinions for your different episodes of

501
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: your podcast, Well, we really.

502
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Speaker 3: Lucked out in that.

503
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 6: Over the course of doing the show, we've come across

504
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 6: some amazing people to who have insight to add Mayory

505
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Speaker 6: Holmes is the founder of the Black Star Film Festival,

506
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Speaker 6: so she was a no brainer. There are a couple

507
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 6: of film, film and culture critics in just the the

508
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 6: critics sphere, such as Tim Cogshell and Bobby Booker and

509
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 6: Elizabeth Wellington that we were able to link with, and then,

510
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Speaker 6: like you know, luck upon luck, we were able to

511
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Speaker 6: contact one.

512
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: Carla Brothers, who was an.

513
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Speaker 6: Actress who her entire role was cut out of the

514
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 6: film Glory, so we were able to talk to her.

515
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Speaker 6: Especially one of the themes that we devote a whole

516
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Speaker 6: episode two in eighty nine, it's about the absence of

517
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Speaker 6: a full black woman in a lot of these films.

518
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 6: There are black women in there, but you could be

519
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 6: arguing how fully actualized they are, and to have the

520
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Speaker 6: one black the one real woman that was supposed to

521
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 6: be in the film, to have her role completely cut out.

522
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Speaker 2: We were like, yo, that is that we definitely need

523
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: to hear that story. So we were able to luck

524
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Speaker 2: onto her and then just lucky on to active director.

525
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Speaker 6: Bill Duke was just just amazing, like like he didn't

526
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 6: have to say anything, but you know, you're doue fucked

527
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Speaker 6: up now?

528
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Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, like the iconic.

529
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Speaker 2: Like I think we actually have that clip on the

530
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Speaker 2: soundboard because it's such an iconic moment. Now you see

531
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Speaker 2: that you fucked up.

532
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Speaker 1: I still have no I thought that.

533
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Speaker 3: So you're saying that you're gonna sucked up now you

534
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: know that? Dogs Oh god, amazing. I still remember being

535
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: in being in the theater being like, damn, he did

536
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Speaker 3: funk up. He fucked up.

537
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't even really sure how I had to

538
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: wait for Bill dude, just be like you said.

539
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Speaker 3: It was twelve. Maybe, yes, I did I.

540
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Speaker 5: Fuck up in my accomplice.

541
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Speaker 3: I might have ribbed the grocery store.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, but yeah, where was I what was

543
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Speaker 7: out eleven forty five?

544
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Speaker 4: Uh?

545
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Speaker 5: Do I got an Alabama?

546
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I.

547
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Speaker 2: Think I think that was so dope because I you know,

548
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm listening to the show myself, and

549
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: I think that that was so dope that y'all got.

550
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: So many opinions from different people.

551
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: And I think, especially to you know, as a show

552
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: that's gonna be held by two brothers, you want to

553
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: have that perspective in there.

554
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: You don't want to necessarily feel.

555
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Speaker 2: Like, I know, I speak for all the blacks like

556
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: you want to like, because that's like the hardest part,

557
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, as critics ourselves, that's like the hardest part.

558
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: And it's something that sometimes I even avoid, like the

559
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Speaker 2: whole like, let me tell you my opinion as a

560
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Speaker 2: black person.

561
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: Because sometimes I'm like, I know, I'm just one.

562
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Speaker 2: Black person of a lot of black people, and I could,

563
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Speaker 2: you know, And I think when you're telling a story

564
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Speaker 2: like this, there's almost like a responsibility to go find

565
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Speaker 2: those other black people and be like, now some people

566
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Speaker 2: don't like the way Spike be putting these women on.

567
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Speaker 3: We found those people here you go. You know, like,

568
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Speaker 3: I feel like that that was really dope.

569
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Speaker 2: For y'all, you know, Yeah, And you know what you

570
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: gotta be You really have to be careful when you

571
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: when you do something like that, because you you run

572
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: the risk of if you don't have these dissenting voices,

573
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: then you decrease your credibility and then people just will

574
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: just like disregard. Oh this is just oh this is

575
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: just a fluff piece, right, you know, like because it's Brothers.

576
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: We're talking about Do the.

577
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Speaker 6: Right Thing, which is a film rightly heralded as one

578
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 6: of the greatest films of all time. But it doesn't

579
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Speaker 6: mean that you can't it can't be picked apart. It

580
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 6: doesn't mean that it can't be critiqued, you know what

581
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Speaker 6: I mean. And you've and you've got to do that

582
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Speaker 6: to give.

583
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Speaker 2: Justice to the to the to the documentary and to

584
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Speaker 2: the art form uh itself, and to just show that

585
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: you are being one authentic exercise.

586
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, as a ten.

587
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Speaker 2: Year old, I remember not being able to see the

588
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Speaker 2: part of Rosie Perez because my parents is like, no,

589
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Speaker 2: not yet, you do you watched this in about four.

590
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: Minutes then come to your eyes.

591
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

592
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: So like, but but that was dope because we've covered

593
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: on the show before how she's been interviewed in recent

594
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: years talking about her experience on the set and the

595
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: difference between dad white man can't jump and then y'all

596
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: have that in the podcast, and I think, like moments

597
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: like that are.

598
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: Just super important when you're.

599
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: Talking about different perspectives on films that are tent pole films.

600
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: So it's like, but this is the discussion they created

601
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: and also just listening to. And it may maybe you

602
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: could do this with any year for black films, but

603
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: if the.

604
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: Work is just so prescient, you know, like it's just so.

605
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Speaker 2: Ahead of his time when it comes to like like

606
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: you talk about George Floyd, or you talk about the

607
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: the new, well the limited but new somewhat investment in

608
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: black like in blackness through education, through the difference in police.

609
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: All this stuff is present in all these films.

610
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Speaker 2: Uprisings, youth take it to the streets, like, all of

611
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: this stuff is right there, and we're talking about something

612
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: that at this point is you know, thirty forty years ago,

613
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: like that they were on this in the custom of

614
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: these discussions, and you know, there is some some credence

615
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Speaker 2: that has to be lit, that has to be given

616
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Speaker 2: to the fact that these conversations were happening then and

617
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: we have thirty forty more years of knowledge at this

618
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Speaker 2: point of different perspectives and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But they weren't they weren't afraid to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: You know, so I love that.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate, appreciate you man, nah man that y'all doing.

622
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: Y'all doing good work.

623
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Speaker 3: Man.

624
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: Now do y'all have influences in criticism, like in being

625
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: like critics and commenters on film where there are people

626
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: that made you want to get into it or was

627
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: it just something where you saw the lack of it

628
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Speaker 2: and you wanted to do it for yourself?

629
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of the usual suspects. Uh. You

630
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: know Donald Bogel. I've like every every every one of

631
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: my copies of Donald Bogel's books is falling apart. I've

632
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: whip through it so much. Elvis Mitchell, I would say,

633
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert of Cisco, and like Roger Ebert's very thoughtful. Uh.

634
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: James Baldwin has a book of film criticism called The

635
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Devil Finds Work that I find myself going to. But

636
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Speaker 1: you know those what you got, Lynn.

637
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Speaker 3: Yo?

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Speaker 6: I would you know, yes, I celebrate all those those critics,

639
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 6: but I come in from from a totally different side.

640
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: I'm a batman head, as y'all can tell.

641
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 6: Comic books is my life. And when you read comic

642
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 6: books and you really breathe that world, then you get

643
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 6: to talking in that world, and when you talk in kind,

644
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 6: you talk shit. So I just loved like getting in

645
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 6: in the rooms and just talking shit with people about stuff.

646
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 6: But I always wanted to be made sure that I,

647
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 6: you know, had my receipts when I was talking about stuff.

648
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: So when it came to.

649
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 6: Watching movies, I got to, Yo, you got to in

650
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 6: these comic book streets, you better have your receipts because

651
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 6: they come for your cape dog. So so in the movies,

652
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 6: I just made sure that while I was watching the

653
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 6: black films, I was watching white films.

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Speaker 3: As well, watching the old films.

655
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Speaker 6: Mental will know when we a lot of times when

656
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 6: we're choosing films, he digs in the crates, but he

657
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 6: usually stops around the seventies and gets stuck around Pam

658
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 6: Greer and Tamer Dobson.

659
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I'm going back.

660
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Speaker 2: To, like, you know, Lena Horn and all the black

661
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: and whites, because I like to dig into crates. So

662
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: because the more receipts you have, the more that you

663
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: can just speak knowledgeably about this stuff.

664
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: And also you can just you.

665
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 6: Learn how cyclical a lot of these stories, a lot

666
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 6: of these themes are, like you know, you talked about

667
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 6: how they were talking about beating on police and uprising

668
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty nine. This is stuff that was being

669
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 6: joked about by Richard Pryor in the seventies, that was

670
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 6: in the movies of the sixties, that was even in

671
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 6: the movies of Oscar Show back in the day.

672
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: So it's always been there, but it's more and more of.

673
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 6: Us take control and behind the behind the camera, we'll

674
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 6: be able to present more and more of those stories.

675
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 6: And it's more of those stories are presented, they're presented

676
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 6: with that much more nuanced and that much more like

677
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 6: you know, like, Okay, this was this type of uprising,

678
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 6: but this was this type of uprising, This was this

679
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 6: type of beating. But this was this type of situation.

680
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 6: And you really begin to see the full diaspora of

681
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 6: our stories being the picked it out here on these

682
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 6: screens and in the streamers, because we got to go

683
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 6: to the streamers as well.

684
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, how did y'all meet?

685
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: How din't we first meet Vincent? Was it at g Town?

686
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: I think it was?

687
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, at Gtown Radio, this online radio station where

688
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 6: I had a show previously.

689
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: And then I was on a.

690
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 6: Group that Okay, new shows Vincent came in with an

691
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 6: idea for a show with him and his cousin reviewing

692
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 6: soul music.

693
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: Because he's just a music hip hop R and B head.

694
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 6: And I liked the show and I liked him. I said,

695
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 6: this seems like a cool dude. But he looked he

696
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 6: looked familiar to me. And then I think maybe about

697
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 6: a week or so later, I was at a comic

698
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 6: book shop where a friend of mine work, and in

699
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 6: come Vincent to buy comic books, and my friend knew him.

700
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: He's like, yo, Vincent. I was like, you know this cat.

701
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I just spent this cat.

702
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 6: And like, next thing, you know, we started bunting it

703
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 6: up about comics. And that was about ten twelve years ago,

704
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 6: and yeah, good friends.

705
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: Ever since? Wow? In all world, man, do y'all still

706
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: read comics? Is that old?

707
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh? My goodness?

708
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? What are you think? Are you not saying? Behind

709
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: that man right now? That's a comic book starre.

710
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 5: Oh that's all like graphic novels and stuff.

711
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: That's what's up?

712
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's.

713
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: Batman on my wall. I see him. Yeah, what do

714
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: you think about now?

715
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: I don't know how how online you are lean, but

716
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: what do you think about the amount of like flat

717
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: that Batman gets these days.

718
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: I feel like it's cool.

719
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: To dunk on Batman somehow on social media these days.

720
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 3: Man, everybody can try and take a dunk on Batman.

721
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: But when Batman come out with the Batmobile, everybody's gonna.

722
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: Be lined up right there like your bad man, my dude,

723
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: Like I ain't even sweat.

724
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: You can all dunkle.

725
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: Batman ain't got tough, like know whatever whatever?

726
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: Can be upset about a rich white guy who dresses

727
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: up in a text and beats up four people.

728
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: I knew, I knew was gonna come. I knew somebody

729
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: was gonna slam the Batman. It never fails. I read

730
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: the New Batman book, and uh, they took away Bruce

731
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: Wayne's money because I think they got the hint from

732
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: social media that billionaires are out. So now he he

733
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: broke beating up people, but he's still beating him up.

734
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: Look, Batman gone back, So don't even worry.

735
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: About That's right.

736
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: Don't even worry about that man beat up four people. Somebody.

737
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: Look, sometimes I've been in situation sometimes where it's like

738
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: I wish that someone would get this person a concussion.

739
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 6: Real quick, and that's what Bruce Wayne brings to the table.

740
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: Man, Like he's not killing nobody, but like that, I've

741
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: been in a few situations in my life and concussions.

742
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: I wish somebody would like slow, pel it down and

743
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: break an arm real quick and just.

744
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: Walk awactly your mom back.

745
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like this man might he might start

746
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: for getting things at fifty, but at least he not

747
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: robbing the hood no more, you know, like right, the best,

748
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: the funniest thing about Bruce Wayne is like he'll do that,

749
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, beat up some people, but he'll also low

750
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: key like put an orphanage in your neighborhood, you know, right,

751
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: He'll he'll also feed the homeless, like after I beat

752
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: y'all up, Like here's here's the soup.

753
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: The soups on me. But that's.

754
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to because you're gonna need soup. You're

755
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: gonna need south through a straw when I'm done with you.

756
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: But it's only exactly exactly, exactly exactly when you find

757
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: your teeth, I buy you some meat.

758
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: Was nineteen eighty nine, also the year that Batman film

759
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: came out, that first that first good one.

760
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

761
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: Keaton, Yeah, that was took off work.

762
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 6: I went to that, John, and I don't think I

763
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 6: came back to work till three days later.

764
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: Well yeah, Jack Nichols, Yeah that that way. Did they

765
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: get a loaded me like y'all get a load of me?

766
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: Man?

767
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: It took off work. Man, you you black done crack.

768
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 5: I don't crack it out.

769
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: I would have.

770
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't not have pictured you having a job that

771
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: you had to take off from in nineteen eighty nine.

772
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: Brother, you're doing good out here. I appreciate that. I

773
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: appreciate that. Now. I was. I was definite league working

774
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: for the FO.

775
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: I did not know what a four one.

776
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: I was playing with the toys from that. You just

777
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: knew what Rosie Perez titties looked like that I knew.

778
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 5: Right, I was only child. In a shoutout to being

779
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 5: an kid, I don't know.

780
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: What it says about your mom. And she didn't let

781
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: you watch Glory, but she lets you watch do the

782
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: right thing.

783
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what that means.

784
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: I don't know.

785
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: Glory just didn't make it into the rotation.

786
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: Everybody knew Glorid, Oh my lor lor Lord like that

787
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: was that was glorious. Gloria is one of those films man,

788
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: that people am.

789
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: Not sure if they know, but it's been distilled down

790
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 2: into the one scene that everybody knew.

791
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I don't know if.

792
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: You know the movie, but you know.

793
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: Danzel mean yeah, yeah, but I still remember probably the

794
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: most conflicted character I've ever experience at that time was uh,

795
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: the captain that was like racist against black people, but

796
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: he was kind of he was black.

797
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 3: You know, like do you geek niggas?

798
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: I was like, god, damn, like, why did they even

799
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: join the military. That's oh, you know what, you're right,

800
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: That is the story that was the most So yeah,

801
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: different blacks, different different depressing black movie about going to war.

802
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: But that dude, that dude, I forget that actor's name,

803
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: but he had such charisma. But Caesar, yes, such charisma.

804
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: But but man.

805
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: Now here's here's a little piece of tribute. Not everybody

806
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: knows Adolph Caesar like he was.

807
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 6: Everybody knows him from a soldier story and then he

808
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 6: plays Danny Glove's.

809
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: Father in The Color Purple.

810
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 6: Right, But what a lot of people don't know is

811
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 6: a lot of those blaxploitation movies back in the seventies.

812
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 6: He's the voice on the movie trailers. Why he is

813
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 6: the voice that it's like, Wow.

814
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: He's one man who can't forget him.

815
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: Oh wow, that makes so much sense.

816
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, small world man.

817
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: So we alluded to the Oscars earlier.

818
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: I think the hashtag oscars so white blew up probably

819
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: about now eight seven years ago or something. And I

820
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: think it's really at the forefront, you know, like, hey, y'all,

821
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: do not y'all be having a lot of first in

822
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, you know what.

823
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: I like, it's a lot We're.

824
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 5: Still getting a lot of like and the first ever black.

825
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: Person to do something.

826
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 5: So in the hundreds of years we've been doing this.

827
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, you know, their exclusion of black

828
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: people and many other marginalized people over the years, like

829
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: it's obviously given us a lot of misgivens about it.

830
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: I to this day still don't really watch it because

831
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: I just got tired of being Charlie Brown with the

832
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: football and Lucy was the Oscars was losy, just like,

833
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: all right, that's enough.

834
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 3: So I don't really watch it. But what do y'all

835
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: think about.

836
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: The changes they've made in the last couple of years

837
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: to try to be more inclusive and be more democratized

838
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: and get it out of the hands. And just like

839
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: the older white legacy voters.

840
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I think change is good, you know,

841
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: I think it's going the right direction, but as the

842
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: last couple of years have shown, it's still really set

843
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: in in its way, and the demographic that is overly represented,

844
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: like like I think get the exact numbers, but it's

845
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: more than seventy percent of the voters in the oscars

846
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: are white men, and it's something like the average age

847
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: of the voter is in its fifties. So this is

848
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: still the quintessential OSCAR member is a middle aged white guy. So,

849
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's you know, I think they're

850
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: making good moves, but but it's it's still a process.

851
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and while they they've done better as far

852
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: as like diversifying the.

853
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 6: People who are allowed to vote on the oscars, until,

854
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 6: like Vincent said, you get a lot of those older

855
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 6: senior heads out of the way, that's when you'll actually

856
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 6: see some change in exactly how the structure of the

857
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 6: academy is built up and how the you know, more

858
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 6: and more people be able to deconstruct that and build

859
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 6: it back up into something better. Right now, you've got

860
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 6: these old heads holding up the ten poles, and you

861
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 6: know they holding on with their last.

862
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: Spray and knuckles.

863
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 6: But once we pry that out of their hands, probably

864
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 6: over the next ten years, you will really see some change.

865
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 6: I think though, that with the.

866
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: What Oscars didn't have going up against it for most

867
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: of its existence.

868
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: Is social media, and social media, like.

869
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: Hip hop is here to stay, and it's becoming a

870
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: voice and a power on into its own, so that

871
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: even though change might come when the Academy, their influence

872
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: is going to be felt less and less to the

873
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: point where it's just going to.

874
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: Be honorific, you know, like think about it.

875
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: To be honest, right now, as much as people pipe

876
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: up about the Grammys and the Amas, are really people

877
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: really checking for a Grammy.

878
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I got a Grammy. Okay, maybe that helps me,

879
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: but it ain't really really helping me.

880
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: It ain't helping me move, no real, no no volume.

881
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: And I think that's gonna be the same thing in

882
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: the as far as film, I think the only awards

883
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: that really move the needle anymore really maybe only the

884
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: Tonys as far as Broadway, because that's a lot of

885
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: times the only time people are able to see what

886
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: is happening oring Broadway. You know, I think I don't

887
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: think people really check for the Emmys like that. Yeah,

888
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these award shows are becoming

889
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: known for what they the people that didn't win, and

890
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: not the ones who won, you know. I mean like

891
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: it was that way when I was coming up anyway, Like,

892
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: especially being a hip hop person, like it just always

893
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: felt like we weren't even invited to the party. It's like,

894
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can't recognize the music that

895
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: is moving the entire fucking world.

896
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 3: But okay, you know what I mean.

897
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: So so you know, I don't know if it was

898
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: retaliatory or what, but I just really devalued those awards.

899
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: I just like an Oscar can't tell me what made

900
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: me cry to theater like it just you know, I

901
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: get that that's a measure for other people, and I

902
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: do wish it for folks so they can get their

903
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: success and the accolades.

904
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: But we've even seen like black people win.

905
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: Stuff and still not get the like pay increase the

906
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: cachet that comes with that, So it always feels like

907
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: a trick bag. But the other part of it that's

908
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: always bothered me is because of how rigidly conservative.

909
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: The movie awards system has been. You know, it's typically

910
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: white dudes that win everything.

911
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: When you do break the fold, there's always this weird

912
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: level of like they just gave it to you, you

913
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like like black people don't win shit,

914
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: We get given the award as opposed to like, you know,

915
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: a white person when they earned it, like obviously that

916
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 2: movie was the best. And I even hear like, you know,

917
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 2: like black people do that sometimes of like what they

918
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: had to give it the moon.

919
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 5: Like I'm like, they didn't have to do shit.

920
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: They never do.

921
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: It was a great film, like it just why can't

922
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: we have a great film? So like it feels like

923
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: a cash twenty two where like even when you win,

924
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: you don't get to be great. And that's like the

925
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: most frustrating part of all this. Well they try not

926
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: to give.

927
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 3: It to them.

928
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: I don't even think right, you know, I think the

929
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: demographic issues aside, which you're huge, like like I think

930
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: of voting, a voting body should be more representative. But

931
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: I think what has been more egregious to me with

932
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: the oscars is Historically, you have OSCAR voters who have

933
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: not acted in good faith. Year after year you hear

934
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: reports and an anonymous feedback where they're not even watching

935
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: the movies, so that you get the sense, you know

936
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: what going you know, going back to nineteen eighty nine

937
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: where there were reports of voters who didn't even watch

938
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: Do the Right Thing, all the way up to this

939
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: year where there were voters who didn't watch The Woman King,

940
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: which everyone rightly talked about of being nun We talk

941
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: about something like like like Angela Bassett's work in Black Panther,

942
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: and in Black Panther where you have you know, I

943
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: didn't watch it, or after what happened last year with

944
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: Will Smith, as you said, there's this retaliatory effort, try

945
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: to give you colors some and look what you did right.

946
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: So it's not even a matter of my case are

947
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: different than your case because of my different perspective, because

948
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: of my different experiences. It's a matter of I'm not

949
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: even watching, so in my mind, you're not even doing.

950
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 5: Your job right.

951
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: Fortunately, you know, the overlap of the people not doing

952
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: their job and these old sort of calcified white members

953
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: of the Academy, the then diagram is a circle. So

954
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: in my mind, that's why they should lead more so

955
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: than the fact that they're old and white. They're just

956
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: not doing their job.

957
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 5: Right and and something else. For me, it's two things.

958
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 4: Number One, I want them to recognize things that quote

959
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 4: unquote aren't classics. And what I mean is, you have

960
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 4: these things that come out that rock society, like Marvel

961
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: movies and DC movies, like like comic book movies, and

962
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 4: but these same old.

963
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 5: People they don't consider.

964
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 4: That art like like like they like, it's a movie, right,

965
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 4: because what you tell me is it's a movie.

966
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 5: People act.

967
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: We give awards, but for some reason, when it comes

968
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 4: to those or when it comes to particularly certain comedies,

969
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 4: they're just scratched. They're not even on the board, they're

970
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: not even up for nominations.

971
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 5: The movie.

972
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 4: The movies make the billions of dollars and literally the

973
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 4: only thing that's keeping the.

974
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: Whole fucking industry afloat, and.

975
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: Y'all like, nah, be I don't understand that, and it's very,

976
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 4: very frustrated, and sometimes it's a big disconnect.

977
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 5: Between what the fans want and what the critics watch.

978
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 5: I understand when it comes to critic because we're critics.

979
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 4: They watch so much shit that you need to be

980
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: so abstract to catch their attention because they've watched.

981
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 5: A lot of shit. I understand that. But for the

982
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 5: average person who probably is going to go to the

983
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 5: movies a few times.

984
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 4: A year, they're not going to come out unless it's

985
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 4: a blockbuster film, and so it's like the movies that

986
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 4: they watch don't matter. It's like if the mass is

987
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 4: like it, fuck it, if all of us watch it,

988
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 4: it gets an award. Like I don't understand that concept.

989
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: I think something else that happened over the span of

990
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: our lifetimes is people kind of started rooting for movies

991
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: like you would a stock yes, or like a sporting

992
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: event almost like yeah uh. And I say this mostly

993
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 2: from like the critic circle, but it also is heavily

994
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: social media and fans too, right Like, but like there's

995
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: a kind of like a, well, this this movie has

996
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: a big budget and a popular director.

997
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't need me to say it's good. But this

998
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 3: film that's an art house film.

999
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: I feel like a like I owe it to the

1000
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: film to spread the gospel about it. And I think

1001
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: sometimes that comes in the play too, you know where

1002
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: something like a Black Panther can literally break every fucking

1003
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 2: record and and not and only get nominated for like

1004
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 2: costumes or something.

1005
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 3: But then like, you know.

1006
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: A movie, uh that even movies I love, you know,

1007
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: like a movie that I love can be an indie film,

1008
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: and it's like, this is an indie darling.

1009
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: We saw this with the woman. I can't remember. This

1010
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: is how much I did not see this movie.

1011
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: Uh, the woman who snuck into the Oscar campaign through

1012
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: like being partying and being a socialite and broke the code.

1013
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 5: People were upset, like where did you come from?

1014
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: Like she broke that code and got it, got her

1015
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: name in the discussion era and the old and this

1016
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 2: is not even a black thing, but the old money

1017
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: was so mad, Like I knew she wouldn't win when

1018
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: they were like when they were.

1019
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: Like who is she?

1020
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: Like whoo, why y'all let her come to y'all house

1021
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 2: and do these parties?

1022
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: I said, she gonna.

1023
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: Definitely lose, but she she kind of revealed the game

1024
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of like it's more about social and

1025
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: who you know and who you kick it with. Because

1026
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: as you said earlier, vince Vincent, you're talking about people

1027
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: that didn't even watch the movies. You're talking about people

1028
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 2: that boldly talk about their agendas afterwards, like afterwards, after

1029
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: the reward that they're quick to come out and be like,

1030
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: we weren't gonna let this woke socialism due And.

1031
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 3: You're like, what theff got to do with a movie?

1032
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 3: Did you watch the movie?

1033
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: It's not like you didn't watch the movie. You just

1034
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: don't like Spike Lee or whatever.

1035
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: Right, right? I mean so much of this sort of

1036
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: critical acclaim in these awards. It really is the Wizard

1037
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: of Odds. Yeah, where you know you get this. It's

1038
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: almost like they want you to think we came from

1039
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: this mountain from Odds with these two slabs where God

1040
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: told me this is the great movie, this is the

1041
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: great performance. And you know, as you said, when old

1042
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: Girl gave up the game, they were angry because this

1043
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: is a moment that highlighted that you actually should pay

1044
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: attention to the man behind the curtains. And it's not

1045
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, as Wynn said, without the cachet. When is

1046
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: the worst of this award?

1047
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: Yes, Zach, she proved that you just need to get

1048
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: in the right social circles and that that reveals every

1049
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: that is like the most nakedly, like like just telling

1050
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: you the small print up front, because you know, it's

1051
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: something I always said about. I don't know if y'all

1052
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: remember this, but the college admission scandal that so many

1053
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: Hollywood people got brought in, and I remember thinking, laughing

1054
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: to myself, I say, you know who should have got

1055
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: caught up in this? Will Smith and Jada Pinkinsmith. But

1056
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: you know why they didn't. They black white people was

1057
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: only telling each other. It's like a whisper circle of like, hey,

1058
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: you want to get your kid into college, ya, you

1059
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: can get them in the UCLA.

1060
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 3: I got a guy.

1061
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 5: But they didn't bother to tell no black people.

1062
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: And that should tell you a lot about Hollywood because

1063
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: even people we consider like black royalty in Hollywood, their

1064
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: white peers don't consider them as such, you know. And

1065
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: so when you see like the whisper campaign it took

1066
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: and this random white lady is getting nominated, and you're like, oh, yeah,

1067
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: it's hard for black people to break into that. How

1068
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: do you even get into the whisper circle? She ain't

1069
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: nobody and she got in. You got dizzel watching never

1070
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: been in no whisper circles. That says so much about

1071
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: Hollywood right there, you know, and also exactly that the

1072
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: actress name was Andrea Riceboro.

1073
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: Yes in the movie to Leslie that that was the chick.

1074
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: And the thing is the thing that always surprised me

1075
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: about that is as much as like you said, yeah,

1076
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: like the the establishment got mad at her and they

1077
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: you know, quote unquote.

1078
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: Let's start an investigation about this. You quickly, you quickly

1079
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 3: let that die. You know, you know what investigation investigation

1080
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 3: right now?

1081
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 6: Let Andrea Riceborough had been uh a niaky NONI rose and.

1082
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: It worked her way into a nomination. Oh, they would

1083
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: have pulled her card.

1084
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 2: You know, she'd have been on the blacklist with Will smithficant.

1085
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 3: Year right man, Yeah not you right, somebody would have

1086
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: got get it down the PBS specials.

1087
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: Someone would have got someone would have got kicked out

1088
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: of the Academy for real, because yeah, pay I think

1089
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: what happened was they started looking up who that woman

1090
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: knew and it was like Susan Sarandon ship.

1091
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I guess the investigations over.

1092
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: God, we're not kicking guine out everybody, so yeah, everybody.

1093
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 4: Back the way and so over the years too, and

1094
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: I think because of social media. Because of streaming and

1095
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 4: because there's twenty five different places to watch it now,

1096
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: the viewership has gone down if you realize a lot

1097
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 4: of these award shows don't get the eyes that they

1098
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 4: used to get, which also for a lot of people

1099
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 4: diminishes it because they was like, well, I'm not watching it.

1100
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 5: I have NFL, NBA to bill, whatever else to fuck

1101
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 5: on other than this.

1102
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1103
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: I think also like after George Floyd, you know, not

1104
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,479
Speaker 2: to make it too cent ago, but as I've said

1105
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: many times on the show, you just had to cash

1106
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: in your black points because they were not gonna be

1107
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: that way for us. And I feel like some of

1108
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: this white lash we're getting right now is them feeling

1109
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: like we gave you everything for two years.

1110
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 3: God damn you know, like like it feel a little.

1111
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 5: Like like cause ain't you Nigros happy? Because like, you know, no.

1112
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: Like you people like I know, Jamie Lee Curtis is

1113
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: an institution and a staple of Hollywood, but like the

1114
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: that that that that she hadn't won no awards up

1115
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: until the Oscars, and in that category she even getting

1116
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: her ass kicked by Angela Bassett and the other the

1117
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: woman that played the daughter in the same movie.

1118
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 5: All of us at that point swept when they picked her.

1119
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 3: I said, I know what this is, guys.

1120
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 5: Come, I'm like, this is some buys.

1121
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: Y'all didn't just go off the y'all went off the board,

1122
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: like y'all didn't just go to like, well, there's this

1123
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: other woman who played and everything everywhere once and you

1124
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: know you can make an argument that she deserved it.

1125
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: It's like you couldn't make that argument. That was like, nah,

1126
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis Lifetime Achievement Award. She's sixty four, guys,

1127
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: we don't know how many more times we're gonna get

1128
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: a chance to nominate her.

1129
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: I was like, you know who else the sixty.

1130
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: Four Angela Bassett and she just looked thirty. That's not

1131
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: her fault.

1132
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: Give that woman the award she earned.

1133
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: I just want to digress and go a little inside

1134
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: podcast baseball on here, okay, and want to know exactly

1135
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: where did the black guy who tips get a sponsorship

1136
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 2: from TV? Because I have not heard to be referenced.

1137
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 8: Any place in motherfucking America, and it's been full times

1138
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 8: on this show twice the piece bot two of each

1139
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 8: of y'all. So I need to know how the show

1140
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 8: mission and the class of any nine can get some

1141
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 8: too B checks this listen.

1142
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: I wish I was getting money from TV, come on,

1143
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: but I guarantee you I'm not. I mean, if I

1144
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 2: want to get money from t v'all can upload a

1145
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: movie from my iphall because.

1146
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 3: They just take anything.

1147
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: It's just that TV is when I think about the demo,

1148
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: what is it?

1149
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 3: The democratization of Hollywood and streaming.

1150
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: TV got to be the one that was like, man,

1151
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: if you can hear upload, you got it on and

1152
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: so I know you Like when I think about black

1153
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: movies now of just like black people making just putting

1154
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: anything out, I think of TV first and foremost, because

1155
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all ever seeing any of these

1156
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: means of these clips on social media, but these too.

1157
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 4: B movies best, yes, and there's a whole give real

1158
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 4: people who go, I watched Tube, now fucking Netflix, I

1159
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 4: watched stupid.

1160
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even watch TV, and I

1161
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: know the audience watch too, and they love that ship.

1162
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: Anytime I make a TV joke, I'll be looking in

1163
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: the chat room and like, you gotta be careful because

1164
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: some of them will give offended like, these movies not shitty.

1165
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 5: They should be like, y'all know these movies ain't good,

1166
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 5: they be like I don't care.

1167
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm like this man filmed the whole movie without turning

1168
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: his phone sideways.

1169
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: But y'all mad at me? What I do?

1170
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 5: Like he didn't even do a costume change. What's happening here?

1171
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 4: Like?

1172
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 3: What what?

1173
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 5: There's no continuity in this? The wiggest to the left

1174
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 5: and then to the right.

1175
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: Okay, but no, but you know, good luck everybody with

1176
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: TV in this. They do want to sponsor the show,

1177
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: reach out, you know, just pay up front. Y'all got

1178
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: pay up front though I heard y'all wrap full price.

1179
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: So I was thinking also about how like I feel

1180
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: like in recent years, uh, the White Savior film has

1181
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: really gotten like, uh, you know, like pull to the

1182
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: forefront of criticism of black criticism, like we don't fuck

1183
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 2: with the help or you know, uh.

1184
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 3: Green Book, green Book was green book. They went in

1185
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: on green Book dog.

1186
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 4: And you know that's why I won nil ward. They

1187
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 4: was like, oh, the Negroes is mad, Let's give it

1188
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 4: the green Book.

1189
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I watched that film before I found

1190
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: out the truth, because I watched that film without knowing

1191
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: the truth and was like.

1192
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 3: Okay, man, I guess so some days.

1193
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: In America you can't feel like we all can just

1194
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: get along. As soon as I got to Twitter, it

1195
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 2: was like this ship was all eyes.

1196
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: I was like, damn the whole thing. I thought he

1197
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 3: caught that black man to eat chicken. Damn he got

1198
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 3: they got me.

1199
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, twelve years of slave, Well, twelve years of

1200
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: slavers are story, but actually twelve years of Slave is

1201
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: not really white saving film because like Brad Pitt, who.

1202
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 3: Produced the movie, as in the movie, he.

1203
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: Didn't really save that man. He just was like, damn man,

1204
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: you know, uh that niggas got right.

1205
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 5: He didn't do ship.

1206
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: I should ever want to hit him like that.

1207
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, then well back to back to carping

1208
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: in or whatever I'm doing it.

1209
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I just I.

1210
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: Just like to go on record as a white man

1211
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: that was not with the ships and uh all go

1212
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: back to hammering.

1213
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you one thing. I've never seen

1214
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 4: that movie, and I'm gonna tell you why you neargros.

1215
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 4: I went online when that movie came out and they

1216
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 4: was like, Lord, if you can't get emotional the whooped

1217
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 4: like thish, you ain't black. I said, well, I guess

1218
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 4: I won't be seeing that bullshit, like like y'all thought

1219
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 4: y'all was selling something by telling me if you can't

1220
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 4: take the white man choking you through the TV when

1221
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 4: you watch this, you ain't a real black one.

1222
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 5: I guess I ain't dead because I'm not watching that bullshit.

1223
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: I did watch it, and I thought it was great,

1224
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: but as Karen didn't go.

1225
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 4: With me, I did not because y'all they thought that

1226
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 4: was a selling point. I was like, that's not selling

1227
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 4: nothing to me.

1228
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: But I was gonna say, like, do have y'all ever

1229
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: enjoyed a white savior film or like a film with

1230
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: like a magical Negro and like how does it measure

1231
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: up to you now? Like do you feel differently about it? Like,

1232
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: you know, how does that work for y'all?

1233
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: I have to say I have always loved Force Gulf

1234
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: me too the past, Over the past decades, I can't

1235
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: get away from the sort of weirdservative undertones of Force Dump, Like, like,

1236
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, Ford Scope was a good white guy, and

1237
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: because he's a good American white guy, all this stuff

1238
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: happened to him and Robin wright was doing protests and

1239
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: hanging out with black people and Jewish people and gay people.

1240
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: So she got the aide and died.

1241
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1242
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't I don't know.

1243
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: She was like in a whole different movie by Tyler Perry,

1244
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: Like she she got and it.

1245
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: Was like what why? What was the lesson here? The

1246
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: thing for me with that one is Bubba.

1247
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: Answers are yelling at her and you know she got

1248
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: aids because she was at the disco doing cocaine. And

1249
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, so that's something that has

1250
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: changed for me.

1251
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 3: The thing about that one for me is Bubba, like

1252
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 3: the black dude. He was just too adorable and I

1253
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 3: knew he was gonna die the second they put him

1254
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 3: all screens. And they both kind of had like.

1255
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: Whatever mental situation was going on, they both kind of

1256
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 2: had it. So they was like best friends and talking

1257
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: the same and ship and talking about shrimp and I said,

1258
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,919
Speaker 2: oh man, it's a doorble brother.

1259
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 3: He's dead, just.

1260
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: Like anytime, anytime it's a war movie and people start

1261
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: talking like you got got me a bid in the summer, dude,

1262
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: when I get back home, got.

1263
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 5: Me a wait to get back, got me a girl?

1264
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 5: She you know she my girl took her to the prime.

1265
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 3: You know, she just told me she was pregnant.

1266
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 2: Anyway, one last mission, I'll just leave my helmet here

1267
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1268
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 5: It's like.

1269
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 2: That's always suspicion to decide to leave the helmet. Yeah,

1270
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: like I don't need no more bullets. Yes, one will do.

1271
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 2: Don't worry Forrest. It's just gonna be a routine trip.

1272
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: It's like you are dead as fuck.

1273
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 5: Bro, you was dead. But one thing about Bubba.

1274
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 4: Bubba talk about shrimp like I talk about pizza, and

1275
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 4: I can talk about that ship all got damn day long.

1276
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 3: He did love shrimp. They's like dying and it's like Bubba.

1277
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 2: Then it ends up with like far As Gump starting

1278
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: the Bubba Gump Shrip Company, so he rich. You know

1279
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, damn man, Uh, did you have

1280
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: any do you have any White Savior Slash Magical Negro

1281
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: films that you enjoy?

1282
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 6: N Well, I'm on the record on my show that

1283
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 6: I am and still am, a a fan of driving

1284
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 6: driving this daisy. I can't even get it the funk

1285
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 6: out I do, like, well, I don't know if I

1286
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 6: don't know if I can say it with my chest anymore,

1287
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 6: but stomach like DVD. I look, I'm a sucker for

1288
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 6: a little bit like the modeling and the performances of it.

1289
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 6: So I'm on the record for that and ain't. I

1290
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 6: ain't keeping for it.

1291
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 3: But you know, like yo, I like, I do like

1292
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 3: the movie. I feel like every other ones.

1293
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I feel like every every

1294
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 2: black person got at least one.

1295
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 5: We all keep a secrets. It's probably different for all

1296
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 5: of us.

1297
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 3: We don't.

1298
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: We can't talk about him in public anymore, but just

1299
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 2: a safe space. And I appreciate y'all sharing this with us.

1300
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 2: The chat room is chiming in the air up there.

1301
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 2: True story. I went to college. I went to college

1302
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: with the black dude that played.

1303
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 3: The bad guy in the air up there.

1304
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: Uh.

1305
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: And he wasn't really a villain, but he was like

1306
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: the best basketball player on the other team.

1307
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: Fred and Fred.

1308
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: Fred was like twenty eight when he went to college

1309
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 2: with us. We were all like seventeen and shit.

1310
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 5: And Fred used to bust our ass.

1311
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 3: In the gym.

1312
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,799
Speaker 5: He used to give us.

1313
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: Buckets and I supposed to right, I was seventeen. I

1314
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: had no concept. I just thought this. I was like,

1315
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: this motherfucker is Michael Jordan going to the league. And

1316
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 2: then one day I found out he was twenty eight.

1317
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, well, of course that explains a lot.

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01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: Someone brought up the legend of bag of Vance Will

1319
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 2: Will was magical up in there.

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't he was magical. I'm not a big

1321
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 6: fan of the legend of Bag of Me neither.

1322
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 3: I see.

1323
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: Somebody brought up the Shawshank redemption. I don't think Shaw

1324
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: Shank Redemption.

1325
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 3: Is a magical negro. I don't think he's a magical negro.

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01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not.

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: Because, yeah, go ahead, because Andy Dufrayne is basically he

1328
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: finds his own answers, He finds his own way there.

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01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1330
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 6: Now, if you want to say that Morgan Freeman's character

1331
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 6: in there is basically like this wise sage and it's

1332
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 6: like just figured out his way in that circumstance, Okay, But.

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01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:53,480
Speaker 3: I also think that.

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 6: That character, that character could have been played by another

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 6: like that could have been another a white character actor,

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 6: that could have been Gene Hackman, and you wouldn't have

1337
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 6: had to change much about Morgan. So I can't I'm

1338
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 6: not going to say he was a magical Negro.

1339
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 3: That's a good way.

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01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 2: Andy's not a white savior either, so like Andy get

1341
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 2: out of Like Andy ain't got nothing to do with

1342
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: getting Morgan.

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01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 3: Out of prison or nothing.

1344
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 2: So uh and if anything, Morgan never really helped him

1345
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 2: like he was he knew this man was taking it

1346
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 2: into showers every day.

1347
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 3: It was just like I like to say, and the

1348
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 3: frought the goods right And you're like, oh, you didn't

1349
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 3: help him at all? Okay, what I hear?

1350
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know that character was definitely not written

1351
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: for a black person because it's a Stephen King story.

1352
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 3: Are a, Yeah, yeah, that's true.

1353
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 2: He had no power, he really did, like what was it,

1354
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: Lou guys at Junior or somebody like it was somebody

1355
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: like the shining.

1356
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: Y Whoopy Goldberg. And yes he's black people.

1357
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:07,480
Speaker 9: Actually, oh man, Yeah, I'm trying to think who my favorite,

1358
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 9: like magine, I'll tell you actually my least favorite.

1359
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 3: Uh.

1360
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all even heard of this movie,

1361
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: but have y'all ever seen the movie Mister Church?

1362
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: It's so all.

1363
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, infuriating, infuriating. These white women took this man's

1364
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 2: life over and somehow I'm supposed to think there's a

1365
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: heartwarming story. I was so mad when he reviewed that

1366
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: trifling ass white women got his house everything back. At

1367
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 2: the end of the movie, I'm like, like, y'all ain't

1368
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 2: trying to find mister Church people or nothing.

1369
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 3: Just y'all just up in his crib, Like, thank.

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01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 5: God for Mster Church.

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01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 3: We got our own, we got we got his car.

1372
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 2: Now, I'm like, yeah, that's that was probably the most

1373
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: infuriated one for for that.

1374
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 3: But I do love you. I do love those type.

1375
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 2: Of feel good I think it's just because I'm a

1376
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 2: kid of those times. I still have a nostalgia for

1377
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: those films. But I like a recent one was like

1378
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: Best of Enemies.

1379
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember we went to go sit in the theater.

1380
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: It's like Taraji p Henson, Yes, oh yes, And uh,

1381
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 2: who was.

1382
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 3: The dude in this?

1383
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 2: I had to you know, matter of fact, I can

1384
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: google it like I can't Sam Rockwell, so Toagi had. Yeah,

1385
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: Taragi had put on like a body suit and play

1386
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: like a heavier woman and stuff. So that was controversial.

1387
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 3: Uh. And then but the thing that's crazy about this

1388
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 3: one is the story was real.

1389
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: Like there's like some times with these stories like they

1390
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 2: be embellishing a lot for Hollywood and you like for real,

1391
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 2: but this was the one.

1392
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 3: It was like at the end they showed the people

1393
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 3: they you know, and they.

1394
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 5: Like real life people. I was like, oh, they're real.

1395
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,919
Speaker 2: And like it was in course had in North Carolina

1396
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 2: and it's like Sam Rockwell's character was like a leader

1397
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: of a wing of the klu klutz Klan. So like

1398
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 2: just by the end it's like they they end up being.

1399
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 3: Cool with each other in real fucking life. And that story.

1400
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody really saw this movie, but I remember

1401
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: walking out of that like, man.

1402
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 3: This is crazy that that happened, you know what I mean?

1403
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: And so I do haven't no starter for those films,

1404
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: but I also understand people's repuls because I, you know,

1405
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: have a repultion for those films.

1406
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 3: When I see like Mster Church, it's like you can

1407
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 3: kind of feel the fake you know in there more

1408
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:42,879
Speaker 3: questions for y'all. Okay, what do y'all think about streaming?

1409
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 2: Y'all had talked about how it's opened up a you know,

1410
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: like it's kind of democratized things.

1411
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 3: I feel like it's also kind of opened.

1412
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: Up the lane for a lot of black people that

1413
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't have got a chance. And even if that reduces

1414
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 2: some of the quality of the like it makes it

1415
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 2: harder to go through everything and what is what stands

1416
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 2: out of what doesn't. But it also feels like they

1417
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 2: weren't gonna get a shot. They did deserve a shot

1418
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: in the old Hollywood model.

1419
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 3: So how do you What do y'all think about it?

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm from Yeah.

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01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: I'm pro streaming, and I'm pro streaming for a few

1422
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: reasons besides the fact that, like you said, it's just

1423
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: more avenue for filmmakers that frankly would not have gotten

1424
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: the opportunities that they should have gotten. I know this

1425
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: is sacrilege, but I honestly think the model of the

1426
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: movie theater is dying. Like Frankly, this is the future.

1427
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: Like we talked about this before, Lynn and I I

1428
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: think so much of our habits of going to the

1429
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: movies is because we've been socialized to go to the movies.

1430
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: But I think it's time goes on and young people

1431
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: get older. I don't know how beholden they are to

1432
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: this movie experience. When you can sit home, you have

1433
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: the big screen, you have your stuff, you know, and

1434
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: why do I go to you know, post COVID, I

1435
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are still uncomfortable being in

1436
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: a theater. So in some ways I feel like streaming

1437
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: is the future regardless.

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01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then to your other point, like everybody who

1439
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 6: the second you like, look in the mirror and pick

1440
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 6: up your hair brush and start singing into it, or

1441
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 6: you know, pretend like you got long hair and start

1442
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 6: reciting stuff in the shower. Everybody wants to be a

1443
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 6: singer or an actor, and for more and more people

1444
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 6: to have more opportunities to actually hone and practice their

1445
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 6: craft and to live as a working creative in this field,

1446
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,839
Speaker 6: then you got to be all for it, man, because

1447
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 6: there you know, there used to be a time they

1448
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 6: would only allow one or two of us to shine, right,

1449
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 6: and it would be Denzel and Angela Bassett and then

1450
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 6: maybe maybe Will halle Berry and then everybody else that

1451
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 6: you know could find their way to make it. But

1452
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 6: by the time you got to them, the check's been

1453
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 6: cut like nine thousand times.

1454
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 3: You just got to just fighting for table scraps.

1455
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 6: So now everybody getting the opportunity, everybody getting a time

1456
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 6: to shine. You got more directors getting in time to shine,

1457
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 6: more women directors getting in time to shine, more women

1458
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 6: producers getting their things up there, and as everybody's names

1459
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 6: is starting to ring out, then they're.

1460
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 3: Able to prove themselves.

1461
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 2: You know, people are caping for The Woman and King

1462
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: because of Jenna Prince Bythewood and it's an amazing film.

1463
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 2: But she she like really like I got her chops

1464
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 2: on doing the action in streaming doing The Old.

1465
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 3: Guard with Charlie Stum.

1466
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 2: So that's how that those acting chops that was on Netflix, right,

1467
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 2: and that was that was banging.

1468
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 3: That was incredible. So I'm I'm all for it though

1469
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: I am too.

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01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 2: I think also like the fact that our TVs are

1471
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 2: just like there are movie screens in our house now,

1472
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: Like it's really like, I like, that's the kind of

1473
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: snob I've become, is like if I can't watch.

1474
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 3: It on my TV. I started feeling a way.

1475
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 4: Yes, because because because as movie critics, and this is

1476
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 4: one thing did I hate about these old white people? Uh,

1477
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 4: they really get on my nerves. They be like, come

1478
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 4: to the theater. I'm like, well, bitch, I don't want to.

1479
01:19:59,280 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 5: Go to the theater.

1480
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 4: And they love to send you the email with a

1481
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 4: link and okay, I got this, But then why can't

1482
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 4: I stream it to my TV?

1483
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 3: They don't want you to do that.

1484
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to watch it on my laptop or

1485
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to watch it on my phone.

1486
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 3: This is such a and I get y'all in the audience.

1487
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: If y'all roll in your eyes, this is very privileged

1488
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. But also, if you send me

1489
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: a screen on a DVD in fucking twenty twenty three dogs,

1490
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 2: not even a Blu ray, like it better, Like come on, man,

1491
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 2: don't you want me to see your best effort?

1492
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 3: Like I feel like y'all doing a disservice to the movies.

1493
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 2: Y'all trying to promote, because if I go to the

1494
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 2: theater to see it, or I see.

1495
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 3: Something on like a streaming service and like four.

1496
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: K ten eighty or whatever, that movie feels right, looks right,

1497
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: feels like a movie. If you send me some like

1498
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: mother fucking square box shit on the DVD, it's so

1499
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 2: much harder for me to truly evaluate your movie. I

1500
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 2: can't say stuff like, you know, I feel like you're

1501
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 2: doing the people that did like the cinematography of disservice.

1502
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 2: You know so, But you know, but I think Streaming

1503
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 2: has helped with that because there's times where, like especially

1504
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 2: the Screener season, where they're literally sending you so many

1505
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: movies it's very hard to keep up with it. But

1506
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 2: sometimes I'll actually just pay for a movie that came

1507
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: to streaming because I'm like, oh, I'm gonna see the

1508
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: woman King Howard supposed to be seen, as opposed to

1509
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: y'all sending me this DVD or this thing I can

1510
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 2: only watch on my phone, where you know, I know

1511
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 2: that's not what Gina wanted me to see, what she made,

1512
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 2: put all the effort in.

1513
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 3: The making this movie. She wasn't like, yeah, man, watch

1514
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 3: it on your phone.

1515
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 2: She was She's like, if you have to watch it

1516
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 2: on the phone, that's fine, but don't.

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01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 4: And also I'll joke aside I can. I'm kind of

1518
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 4: a rogic. I am a snob when it comes to

1519
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 4: certain things. I think the movie theater is gonna become niche,

1520
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna be one of the niche people because

1521
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 4: I'm not giving up the movie theater.

1522
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 5: And the reason why is.

1523
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 4: Because some movies are cut and they're designed specifically to

1524
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 4: watch on a two hundred inch screen, like like most

1525
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 4: movies are not, y'all. Most movies are not. But some

1526
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 4: movies you only get the pure expense. Because there's some

1527
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 4: movies that I ask people about it and I mean, actually,

1528
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 4: how did you watch it?

1529
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 5: But I watched it. I watched it on my computer screen.

1530
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 4: I was like, that's why, bitch, it was not designed

1531
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 4: to be watching your computer screen.

1532
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 2: Also, also, it's probably bigger than two hundred inches for

1533
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: the screen. Oh yeah, but but but yeah, there's I

1534
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: might have been off a few feet.

1535
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very big.

1536
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

1537
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 2: The I think there's certain movies to me where even

1538
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: if the movie wasn't good, the only thing that it

1539
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: had going for.

1540
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 3: Was it was in the theater.

1541
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: You know.

1542
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 2: Avatar is a movie like that to me, Like Avatar,

1543
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 2: I went ahead and made the time to be like

1544
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: gotta see in the eye, got seen it, three D

1545
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: got it, Like I gotta give him, give James Jim

1546
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: Cameron his things and give him his opportunity to show

1547
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: me a movie that might impress me, because I know,

1548
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 2: if I go see this ship on Disney Plus in

1549
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 2: three months, I'm definitely not gonna like it. Like it's

1550
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 2: not gonna hit the same because I'm not immersed anymore

1551
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm just like, oh cool, it's the same

1552
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: c G I and everything else. But when you went

1553
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 2: there with that three D with three D glasses on

1554
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,799
Speaker 2: and that third eyes open or whatever the fuck happens

1555
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: when James Cameron immerges you into the world, now all

1556
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I care about these sentient dolphins or

1557
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 2: whatever it is.

1558
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 3: Now. I care right away that I definitely would not

1559
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 3: have cared on my TV screen.

1560
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, it also is a generation thing, one you do

1561
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 4: with a younger generation that doesn't have the same thing

1562
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 4: of ownership, like y'all have we owned vhs, we own DVDs,

1563
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,520
Speaker 4: we own blue rays.

1564
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now they don't do that, So that's a difference.

1565
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 3: And also I think you know he owns yes, yes,

1566
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 3: and me too.

1567
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 4: And also I think when it comes to the movie theaters,

1568
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 4: age plays the factor too, because I grew up in

1569
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 4: the movie theater where we went to go see The

1570
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:57,879
Speaker 4: Nutting Professor. So I'm specifically bringing The Nutting Professor because

1571
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,799
Speaker 4: when we went to go see that movie, we laughed

1572
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 4: so hard the entire movie. We laughed all the way

1573
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 4: walking down the hallway, like the whole audience all the

1574
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 4: way out. And that's the only you can only get

1575
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 4: that experience with you and two hundred peak.

1576
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 3: It is a communal thing, right, that definitely is something

1577
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 3: I miss. Let me ask you this too, what is like?

1578
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: And if it's nothing, you know, don't no pressure, you know,

1579
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: But is there are you considering other projects of like

1580
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 2: Black teen eighty nine? Like are there other years you

1581
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 2: thinking about other movies or dramas You're thinking about anything

1582
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: like that? Or you're gonna go back to your mission

1583
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 2: of watching every black.

1584
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 5: Movie ever made, like we were gonna cover it all.

1585
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 6: Well, we're definitely staying on the mission to review black films. Yeah,

1586
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 6: that would never stop.

1587
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:56,839
Speaker 3: Nothing stops the mission.

1588
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 6: We we we we got a goal, but we do

1589
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 6: have a couple of projects that we definitely want to

1590
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 6: do next. Vincent has a dream project that we we've

1591
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 6: talked about doing right before, Like we talked about it,

1592
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 6: like I think like even once we were in the

1593
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 6: midst of doing eighty nine and we were like, oh,

1594
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 6: we should do that.

1595
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, but we gotta get eighty nine done.

1596
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: We gotta get it done first.

1597
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 6: He was like, do we I was like, yes, we do,

1598
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 6: so so we got he he has this dream project

1599
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 6: if he wants to, like, at least it's probably not

1600
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 6: going to drop for at least a few months.

1601
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: But if he wants to give me all a word,

1602
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. But that's on that I'm down for.

1603
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: I am fascinated and in love with Sanford and Son. Yeah,

1604
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: so it would be around Stamford and Son.

1605
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, give me that France for retrospective. We need that, Okay,

1606
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 2: the streets need that.

1607
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like Savanda.

1608
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 2: Son got caught up somehow and uh not getting as

1609
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 2: much of his things as it deserves. Because I feel

1610
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: like there's no Martin without Sanford and Son. You know,

1611
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: like there's so many shows that came afterwards.

1612
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,440
Speaker 3: That took a lot of that blueprint.

1613
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 2: Like how like to me, Pam and Martin is Esther

1614
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 2: and Fred, you know, like that's so it's iconic.

1615
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: Look, look, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get pulled

1616
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 1: into the rabbit hole that is me and Sanford. But

1617
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: I will say this, I believe Sanford and Song was

1618
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: the first unapologetically black television show. Yes I could see, Yes,

1619
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: four black People. Yes, Samford and Sun was aimed towards

1620
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: black people. You were white, you will welcome to watch it, right,

1621
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: but everyone involved once you got asked that initial few

1622
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: episodes where they basically remade Sept Sun episode, Like, once

1623
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 1: it actually got into its rhythm of Stanford and Son,

1624
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: it is unapologetically blast yes man, it kind of stayed

1625
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: that way for the whole One used to.

1626
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 3: Watch it with my grandma and remind me of my grandma.

1627
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: Okay, like it was. It was the perfect like it

1628
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: felt like it was for us. Yeah, absolutely, man, I

1629
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 2: can't wait to see what you do with that.

1630
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 3: Man.

1631
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 2: In the meantime, how many episodes less of nineteen eighty

1632
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 2: nine are there? I think we just premiered episode three,

1633
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 2: man five?

1634
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 3: Is it five? Oh god?

1635
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 2: Oh five dropped to day Okay, so there's one there,

1636
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 2: so there, so there is one more episode, one more episode,

1637
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 2: episode six next week.

1638
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 3: I just finished Commercial Race Theater today. You know, I

1639
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 3: do like the weekly drops and whatnot.

1640
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 2: But sometimes I like in podcasting when I'm a little

1641
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 2: bit late to the party so I can binge it,

1642
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 2: you know.

1643
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 3: So I've been bening. I've been beinging it. I've been

1644
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 3: benging y'all. Last couple of days.

1645
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 2: I've been like, oh, this is good. I can't wait

1646
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 2: to talk to these dudes. So yeah, Man, if y'all

1647
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 2: listening to the sound of my voice wherever you at, Man,

1648
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: if you listen to podcasts wherever you get your podcasts

1649
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 2: the class of nineteen eighty nine, I guarantee you.

1650
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: Won't be disappointed.

1651
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: If you're a movie head like us, if you're just

1652
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 2: in the black people in pop culture check.

1653
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 4: It out, you would love it, particularly if you have

1654
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 4: family members that actually love these types of movies. Because

1655
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 4: Roger was playing it for me, and when y'all started

1656
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 4: laving a movie and I.

1657
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 5: Was like, oh shit, I was like, let me first

1658
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 5: play who is this? That's good?

1659
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they get in. Y'all got into like y'all

1660
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 3: got into like the crevices of the conversation in ways.

1661
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 2: That like, you know, when you got people talking about

1662
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 2: like Jasmine and the type of role she played and

1663
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 2: the type of guy and because those are things that

1664
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 2: I think when you love these movies and you've watched

1665
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,919
Speaker 2: them enough and you if you like me, you've memorized

1666
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 2: most of them, there's just little moments so you like, man,

1667
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 2: I hope they talk about this part, you know, all

1668
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 2: right for this TV show Game theory and at the end,

1669
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: the last episode we did was a bad theory.

1670
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 3: That's what's okay.

1671
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:26,799
Speaker 5: Okay, we got a fan in the house.

1672
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 2: So we The last episode we talked about was about

1673
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 2: drugs and sports and how like it's kind of pointless

1674
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 2: to villainize recreational drugs and sports, especially now that we

1675
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 2: legalized so much shit.

1676
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 3: At this point is like who cares?

1677
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 4: Like?

1678
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 3: Who has?

1679
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't know that there was ever a point where

1680
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: we were really sitting at home and being like, I

1681
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: would like this player, but I heard it smokes marijuana,

1682
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 2: Like I don't care.

1683
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 3: I've never cared. But it didn't make the piece.

1684
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 2: But I remember talking to them and the cause, you know,

1685
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 2: we have to cut things to get things out of

1686
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 2: the time. But that was something I wanted in there

1687
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 2: for when they talked about the war on drugs, and

1688
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 2: it was the scene from Lean on Me at the

1689
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,719
Speaker 2: top of the roof talking shop.

1690
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 5: You're smoke crack, don't you? That's my jam? Your smoke crack,

1691
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 5: don't you do? As I got that ship, remember ized.

1692
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 2: That and Lin Bias dying in that scene are probably

1693
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,480
Speaker 2: the most formative scenes of my childhood.

1694
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 3: When it came to me being scared as hell drugs.

1695
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 5: For me, it was there. Don't ask me why there

1696
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 5: got me.

1697
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's not like a movie, but I'm talking

1698
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 2: about like pop culture wise, Like I remember being in

1699
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,759
Speaker 2: the theater and being like, I definitely am scared of drugs.

1700
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 3: I don't know, I.

1701
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:47,839
Speaker 5: Don't jumping on a building.

1702
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 2: It'll make a man tell you to kill yourself. And

1703
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 2: he's a principal.

1704
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: Recreational yes is what I like.

1705
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 3: He was functional.

1706
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't like, he wasn't like selling DVD, selling VCRs

1707
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 2: and ship like he was coming to school still and

1708
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 2: Joe was like, not on my watch, come to the room.

1709
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 2: We need to tie got time for this.

1710
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: Small said you know what crack anymore? Yep, I'm gonna going.

1711
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 3: With boom and and.

1712
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 2: He just needed a scared straight moment of being told

1713
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 2: to kill himself. Uh, expeditiously, yes, you're.

1714
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 3: Like, hussin I him do it. I was like, man,

1715
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 3: what you know?

1716
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 5: And that that I only think I knew an expedition limit.

1717
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 3: I knew I could tell from the contest close.

1718
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 5: I was like, I guess, I mean quick.

1719
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but I just I just but like I

1720
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 2: remember that part of that movie and now I feel

1721
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,560
Speaker 2: like there's probably a retrospective way of looking.

1722
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 3: At that movie, and and and and and.

1723
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 2: All the stuff that he tels. And I love that

1724
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 2: y'all brought up that, like the black.

1725
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 3: Woman villain is not really in the.

1726
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 2: Movie, like in the real story of his life, but

1727
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 2: she is in the movie. They decided to make the

1728
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 2: opposition to him a black woman. But Loki is kind

1729
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 2: of like, as I get older, it's like, how I'll

1730
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 2: now look at See the Lords Tucker, and as an

1731
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: older person, I'm like, she.

1732
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 3: Has a point.

1733
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 5: She has a point.

1734
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 2: And now when y'all played the clip on the Shaws,

1735
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: like if she the villain, she's spitting because I kind

1736
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 2: of agree Joe was being too hard on them kids.

1737
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 4: Now when I was young, I was like, Oh, this

1738
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 4: is old hussy. Be quiet, try to check my phone away.

1739
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, that's that's that's it. Man. I

1740
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 3: love this trip down memory lane.

1741
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 2: If y'all want to take a similar trip, I suggest

1742
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 2: y'all listen to the Class of nineteen eighty nine. Check

1743
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 2: out the Michelle Mission podcast where they're reviewing just every

1744
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 2: black film ever. And I did not even know about

1745
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 2: this until we had them on, so I'll be checking

1746
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 2: that out as well. And is there anything else y'all

1747
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 2: want to promote or bring up before we get off?

1748
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. Thank you for having thank you,

1749
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you oh man anytime. And yeah, same you.

1750
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 5: I appreciate you.

1751
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: Y'all doing great work out there. You ever need to

1752
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: promote anything else, come on by.

1753
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 5: Let us know. Come on by again. Next time we

1754
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 5: can play some games and stuff with.

1755
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, child, that's it for this. We'll be

1756
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 3: gonna play with TOV money. I'm with it.

1757
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, this EPI stuff been brought to you by tub

1758
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: wherever you whatever iPhones or recording videos, verticals.

1759
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 5: Wherever your samsigng can go.

1760
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 2: If you ever seen the matter, Yes, if you still

1761
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: got a Motorola razor, you can upload Joe movie.

1762
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 3: To t B. No editing required, no experience, You're not

1763
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 3: gonna know. Schools.

1764
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 2: Just put it up that if you do take videos YouTube,

1765
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 2: could be a director.

1766
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 3: Put that on your LinkedIn directed feature film on TV.

1767
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 3: All right, we'll be back tomorrow.

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01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 5: Until next time.

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Speaker 3: I love you,