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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Roundup, Nancy Grayce.

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Speaker 2: I got to say something to you right out of

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Speaker 2: the gate.

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Speaker 1: You, more than anybody that I know, whether it is

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Speaker 1: good or bad events with your friends. You don't jump,

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Speaker 1: you don't spring into action.

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Speaker 2: You catapult.

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Speaker 1: And I tell you this week, our sweet friend Dave

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Speaker 1: Mac lost his beautiful wife, Loadonna, and you catapulted into action.

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Speaker 2: And I just, you know, my heart just breaks for him. Dave.

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Speaker 3: It's not just a colleague. He is a very, very

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Speaker 3: dear friend. Can I tell you something about Dave Mac?

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Speaker 3: The first one up in the morning. Sometimes I think

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Speaker 3: it even beats me and he I get Dave is

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Speaker 3: responsible for so many things for crime stories, but one

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Speaker 3: of the main things he does is he comes up

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Speaker 3: with all that amazing sound like when I say, Brian

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Speaker 3: Kuberger just in court, blah blah blah. Listen, that's Steve

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Speaker 3: Mack saying, you know what has just happened, and then

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Speaker 3: I jump off of that and start talking about it.

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Speaker 3: And the reason I do that is because I figure

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Speaker 3: people get tired of hearing just me all the time,

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Speaker 3: so I like them to hear Dave or Sydney or

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Speaker 3: Jackie giving the news or any of our crime online

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Speaker 3: dot com reporters. They're all amazing. But that's Dave. And

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Speaker 3: at the last minute, if I say, uh, oh did

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Speaker 3: he got did he just cast some more charges? What

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Speaker 3: does he do? Rush in the studio it might be

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Speaker 3: twelve thirty at night and makes it all happen and

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Speaker 3: never complaints, never, never complains, and he never has to

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Speaker 3: have to ask him to do anything. He just comes

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Speaker 3: up with it on his own. I just saw Dave

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Speaker 3: and Lodonna at this function with jo Scott Morgan at

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville State and they were so happy and she, as

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Speaker 3: you said, it's beautiful, but there's something else about her

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Speaker 3: she has. I know this sounds hokey, but she had

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Speaker 3: an inner beauty like her. It just shone out from

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Speaker 3: her eyes. She just this beautiful, loving smile, just a

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Speaker 3: real sparkly personality. I always tell the twins, well, she's

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Speaker 3: just sitting at supper and they're just sitting there. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: this is a wonderful opportunity for you to work on

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Speaker 3: your sparkling conversation skills, and they just looking at me.

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Speaker 3: This woman lo Donna. She had the most engaging personality

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Speaker 3: and could talk. She could talk to a telephone pole,

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Speaker 3: and it would be interesting. Just one of those people,

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Speaker 3: you know, that person that walks in the room and

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Speaker 1: That's Lodonna agreed, you know, in just a sweet, loving,

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Speaker 1: kind family. So we just send all our love to

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Speaker 1: Dave Mack today and.

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Speaker 3: Our prayers because this is a really, really hard time

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Speaker 3: and so unexpected, right, I mean, there's never a good

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Speaker 3: way for your loved one to pass on, but unexpected.

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Speaker 3: It's just such a shocker, you know, so you deal

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Speaker 3: with the shock of it and the grieving. We were

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Speaker 3: texting last night and he had gone home and I said,

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Speaker 3: how are you tonight? And he just he was just

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Speaker 3: sitting in the house like wasn't real, you know, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't feel real. And that just broke my heart. And

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Speaker 3: it was up till one o'clock thinking and praying, and hey, David,

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Speaker 3: you haven't got to take that squeaky thing away from there,

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Speaker 3: you guys from the dog, I can't hear a thing.

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Speaker 3: Eryle is saying, you got that degree from Wharton, make

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Speaker 3: use of it. Please wish you could see this. You

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Speaker 3: tried to take literally a rubber chicken wearing a purple

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Speaker 1: Listen, speaking of craziness, let's talk about Brian Coburger and

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Speaker 1: this madness.

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Speaker 3: I think I need a sip of tea for this

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Speaker 3: hold on. And by the way, David, I had to

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Speaker 3: make my own refeel what. Yes, you're in grave danger

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Speaker 3: Okay where ones? I? Oh, yes, okay. I covered Brian

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Speaker 3: Coburger last night. And you know, for every hour I'm

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Speaker 3: on air, I pread for like two or three hours

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Speaker 3: You never know what Eleven's gonna ask some crazy thing,

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Speaker 3: brand new mystery DNA. Part of it was on a

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Speaker 3: a handrail in the house. That could be anybody. But

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Speaker 3: the reality is I was taking the state's position. That's

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Speaker 3: not good. Do I think it's connected to the murder. No,

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Speaker 3: to work on it. And this is an interesting thing

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Speaker 3: that happened. I was out in Moscow, and don't you

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Speaker 3: dare say Moscow. They do not like it. Just think

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Speaker 3: cost Co. I was in Moscow and there at the

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Speaker 3: crime scene for you know, really long hours, and I

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Speaker 3: of my mind was that our friend Chris McDonough, have

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Speaker 3: I found Chris mcdonah. He I had put in Google

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Speaker 3: That was before I went out there and saw it

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Speaker 3: for myself. And he's amazing. Anyway, he went to the

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Speaker 3: do I think they're connected? No, because anybody can drop

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Speaker 3: Tera Grinstead. Remember the teacher in the Hazelhurst area, yep

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Speaker 3: out some ding dong students killed her and burned her body.

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Speaker 3: But there was a glove, a plastic glove of all things,

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Speaker 3: to be connected. It was not. It was not connected anyway.

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Speaker 3: The other DNA. It's more troubling from a state's point

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Speaker 3: of view, Cheryl, as you already know, because it's in

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Speaker 3: the home. It's blood DNA. I'm not sure about the

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Speaker 3: type of DNA and the glove it could have been

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Speaker 3: where somebody wiped their nose for all I know. But

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Speaker 3: the DNA and the home they're both male DNA glove

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Speaker 3: and home on the banister. But surely you and I

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Speaker 3: have looked at that house every which way except upside down.

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Speaker 3: You know, you've got the ground floor where a Dylan

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Speaker 3: Mortenson in the roommate where they lived. Then you've got

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Speaker 3: you know where we see that balcony for all I know,

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Speaker 3: the blood on the handrail is in the very bottom

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Speaker 3: We don't think went. We know, we didn't come in

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Speaker 3: or did somebody cut themselves when they were moving furniture.

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Speaker 3: This is a party house. There are hunt literally hundreds

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Speaker 3: of guys over the month and years that have been

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Speaker 3: what that could be. It's unidentified male blood DNA, and

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Speaker 3: the defense is gonna have a field day with it.

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Speaker 1: Here's the bottom line. Do not tear that house down.

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Speaker 1: This is the reason why I said point blank. If

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Speaker 1: you tear that house down and then other evidence comes up,

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Speaker 1: you're never gonna be able to go back and double check,

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Speaker 1: triple check if there's something else.

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Speaker 2: Nancy, we don't know which banister.

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Speaker 3: Well, you and I don't know, but I'm sure they know.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying we don't know the direction of the print.

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Speaker 2: Was the thumb going up or down the steps.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what deepa thumb. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Woman as DNA? Nobody said fingerprint.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not a fingerprint. But let's say it's a

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Speaker 2: transfer print. Let's say it's blood up the stairs, down

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Speaker 2: the stairs. All of that matters.

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Speaker 3: Honey, you've preached it to the choir. I said, don't

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Speaker 3: tear down the house. And what did they do? Tear

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Speaker 1: And you know, y'all have always said you can't hide

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Speaker 1: bad evidence, and this is one of those things.

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Speaker 2: The prosecution has absolutely no choice. They have to address it.

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Speaker 3: Also another thing, the defense started crying that it was

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Speaker 3: newly discovered that they had not been provided the info.

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Speaker 3: That's not true that DNA was referred to in discovery

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Speaker 3: over a year ago. They don't know who it belongs to.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they've run it through CODIS for a DNA

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Speaker 3: match with somebody behind bars. It's not just people behind bars.

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Speaker 3: I think, aren't government workers put into codis anybody that

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Speaker 3: a lot of people are in CODIS that don't have records.

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Speaker 3: But I guarantee you this is some boy student that

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Speaker 3: was in the home for whatever reason. It could have

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Speaker 3: been a nosebleed, and they could have been a fight,

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Speaker 3: it could have been moving further, it could be anything.

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Speaker 3: So now the fact that it's on the banister, the

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Speaker 3: defense is going to have a field day with that,

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Speaker 3: because Coburger, of course went up and down the stairs

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Speaker 3: don't know right now where it was in the home.

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Speaker 3: And there's a difference if it's at the bottom of

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Speaker 3: the stairs, where we know the prop did not enter,

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Speaker 3: less probate if it means less to me. If it

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Speaker 3: is on that staireil just as you walk into the

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Speaker 3: victim's bedroom, that could be argued by the defense more.

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Speaker 3: But you cannot change the fact that his Coburger's DNA

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Speaker 3: is on the murder weapon, not she underneath the victim,

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Speaker 3: which places his DNA there at the time of the murder.

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Speaker 2: Yep, same car seeing in the vicinity on tape.

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Speaker 3: Sang car and you know what, the fact that he

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Speaker 3: is always on a cell phone, then turned it off

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Speaker 3: at the time of the murders and then turned it

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Speaker 3: back on, and I drove that loop, Cheryl. I cannot

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Speaker 3: stress enough the way he drove home that night cost

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Speaker 3: him well over an hour. The direct route was about

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Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Well, we're going to

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Speaker 3: David, have you ordered a book not answering Black Boys?

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Speaker 1: where they're having a campfire newlywed game?

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Speaker 3: Okay, white, white white. There's just so much in that

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Speaker 3: sentence that I need to understand. What you're head.

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Speaker 2: Where chattahoochie Ben State Park?

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Speaker 1: Well what they're having their version of camp fire newlywed game?

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Speaker 1: So you know, walk and I've known each other since

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: We ought to walk away with this thing.

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Speaker 3: So what do you what is what you're competing in it?

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Speaker 3: I thought you were a spectator.

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Speaker 2: No, we're competing against O.

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Speaker 3: Lord help us all okay, what will you be doing?

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Speaker 1: You remember the old Newlywed game where they said where

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Speaker 1: did you meet?

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Speaker 2: What's his favorite food?

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Speaker 3: Well? Where did you meet? If you could tell in

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Speaker 3: high school what class?

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Speaker 2: Well it wasn't in class, it was actually in detention.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I knew that story was going to get worse

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Speaker 3: for something made me ask where? And now I know

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Speaker 3: that's why they say everybody, do not ask the question

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Speaker 3: you don't know the answer to. I would never have

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Speaker 3: done that on the stand. For all I us. Who's

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Speaker 3: gonna say out back under the bleachers? Okay, now wait

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Speaker 3: a minute, okay, wait a minute, what is his favorite food?

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Speaker 1: Walt's favorite food is probably pork of some type, probably barbecue.

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Speaker 3: Well you better nail that down.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely barbecue.

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Speaker 3: I remember they say things like what color is this toothbrush?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't tell what color Davis toothbrushes. It's

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Speaker 3: so clogged with old toothpaste. I've tried everything. I put

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Speaker 3: it in the dishwasher. I even got those little brill things.

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Speaker 3: Oh excuse me, the elf got real things that put

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Speaker 3: it in the stockings at Christmas. You know, you stick

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Speaker 3: your toothbrush and it's supposed to get rid of germs.

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Speaker 3: I just find it laying around in the bathroom. He

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Speaker 3: wants to be filthy.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like telling a pig get out of the mud.

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Speaker 3: Not gonna happen. He's just gonna be filthy.

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Speaker 1: It's valientized, and we're gonna end on that romantical note.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you can go go to your kind to which

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Speaker 3: she bend nearly moved game. You need to practice your answers.

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Speaker 3: I love you, dearly, my dear Happy Valentine's