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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, February twenty fourth, and we are just

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Speaker 2: getting a significant update and the search for Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: The update is coming to us from her daughter Savannah,

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Speaker 2: who has now put up a one million dollar reward

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Speaker 2: for information on her missing mother. With that, welcome to

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Speaker 2: this episode of Amy and TJ. I should say, Rose,

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Speaker 2: they put this up on behalf of the family is

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Speaker 2: doing this. But in a case that had constant updates

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Speaker 2: for a week, we haven't gotten significant ones lately.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we have not actually put out an episode on

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Speaker 3: the search for Nancy Guthrie because we only wanted to

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Speaker 3: when there was something meaningful to report. And yes, there

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Speaker 3: have been some fancy headlines out there, but nothing of

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Speaker 3: significance until today, where Savannah Guthrie, yes, made an emotional

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Speaker 3: plea to the person who knows where her mother is,

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Speaker 3: and she said multiple times, someone knows, someone knows how

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Speaker 3: to find our mom, someone knows how to bring her

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Speaker 3: back home. And she acknowledged for the very first time

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Speaker 3: that her mom may not be alive, that they are

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Speaker 3: just tortured not knowing. But they've obviously gotten to a

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Speaker 3: point now four weeks into this search that they understand

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Speaker 3: it could be the outcome they have feared the most,

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Speaker 3: but not knowing is even worse.

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Speaker 1: This is going to move things.

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Speaker 2: And you know what with the authorities now and police,

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Speaker 2: you know how they got inundated initially, Robes. The people

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Speaker 2: don't report anything, they sniff out even a little bit.

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Speaker 2: This is going to move this thing along. There's going

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Speaker 2: to be a lot of tips that don't result in

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Speaker 2: anything but Robes. The story has not been in the

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Speaker 2: forefront here lately. It hasn't been the thing that's been leading.

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Speaker 2: And it was for two weeks, I would say solidly.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think it was the biggest story certainly

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Speaker 3: in this country but possibly even internationally other than Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Nancy Guthrie Missing Nancy Guthrie dominated the headlines for two

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Speaker 3: straight weeks, and still there was nothing actionable for police

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Speaker 3: to follow through on. That's remarkable.

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Speaker 2: They had to even come out and say it's not

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Speaker 2: a cold case, because as long as we got tips

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Speaker 2: to pursue, then we will be doing this actively. Now, Rolds,

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Speaker 2: we thought things would change. We had two major moments recently.

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Speaker 2: There was DNA and a glove that was found. They

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Speaker 2: released a video from the ring cam, which we really thought.

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Speaker 2: I'm frankly surprised more didn't come of that.

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Speaker 3: I am too. They were able to say the height,

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Speaker 3: the build, the shape of the eyes. There was even

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Speaker 3: some distinguishing features in terms of the backpack he was

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Speaker 3: wearing where he purchased it from. So yes, it seemed

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Speaker 3: as though this was just a matter of hours, days

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Speaker 3: person and nothing. And they believe he may have been

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Speaker 3: working with an accomplice. They don't know that he could

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Speaker 3: have pulled this off on his own. They don't have

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Speaker 3: and circle of friends, which is almost always where you

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Speaker 3: find your suspect. These random violent acts kidnapping, etcetera, rarely

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Speaker 3: happen by strangers taking strangers. It's almost someone you're connecting here.

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Speaker 2: You're certainly not going to snatch an eighty four year

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Speaker 2: old woman with serious medical issues. We're going to play

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Speaker 2: a portion of this video from Savannah Guthrie. Now this

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Speaker 2: is the significant portion in the middle where you mentioned Roges.

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Speaker 2: She's acknowledging that they're acknowledging that maybe the mom isn't

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Speaker 2: with us anymore.

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Speaker 1: Rogues, is it not? It's this is the first one.

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Speaker 1: I think I have this right.

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Speaker 2: Where they were making well several of them, they were

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Speaker 2: making appeals in their videos to the kidnapper. They even

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Speaker 2: said one in one of the videos, we will pay

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Speaker 2: It's shifted a little recently to where the videos come out.

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Speaker 2: They're asking for the public's health. What have you seen?

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily talking to a kidnapper. This seems to be

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Speaker 2: an extension of that now to where they're not even

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Speaker 2: appealing to someone who took her.

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Speaker 1: They're appealing to everybody else. And here's some money to.

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Speaker 3: The people around the person who, oh yeah, somebody know yeah,

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Speaker 3: someone who knows the kidnapper, someone who knows of the kidnapping.

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Speaker 3: They are appealing them. At first they were saying, please

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Speaker 3: do the right thing. That was a big part of it.

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Speaker 3: Now it's we will pay you up to one million dollars.

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Speaker 3: It is specific though for the recovery. They didn't even

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Speaker 3: to physically see their mother.

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Speaker 1: All right, And here is now. Listen to Savannah Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: She put this out just a short time ago, really

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Speaker 2: We're only going to put play for you. The significant

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Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie.

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Speaker 4: We also know that she may be lost, she may

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Speaker 4: already be gone, she may have already gone home to

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Speaker 4: the Lord that she loves. And this is dancing in

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Speaker 4: heaven with her mom and her dad, and with her

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Speaker 4: beloved brother Peers, and with our daddy. If this is

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Speaker 4: what is to be, then we will accept it. But

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Speaker 4: we need to know where she is. We need her

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Speaker 4: to come home. For that reason, we are offering a

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Speaker 4: family reward of up to one dollars for any information

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Speaker 4: that leads us to her recovery.

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Speaker 1: What do you make rolled down? It jumped out?

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Speaker 2: Two things jump out, certainly the change in her tone

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Speaker 2: and also, just as a matter I guess is where's

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Speaker 2: reporters and journalists hanging on to every word? Up to

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Speaker 2: a million dollars? So two things kind of just jumped out.

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Speaker 2: We'll hit on those.

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Speaker 3: The first one meaning that the acknowledgment that Nancy Guthrie

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Speaker 3: might not be alive. I think the thought is that

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Speaker 3: maybe anyone around this kidnapper or who knows of the

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Speaker 3: knew that Nancy Guthrie wasn't alive. So maybe even by

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Speaker 3: acknowledging it, hey we get it, she might not still

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Speaker 3: be alive. It doesn't mean we still don't want to

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Speaker 3: have her remains back with us. We still want her

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Speaker 3: recovered and we want to know what happened to her.

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Speaker 3: So I think that was an acknowledgment of something to

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Speaker 3: someone who knows, who might have been afraid to come

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Speaker 3: we know, we know, we get it. Well, still still

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Speaker 3: give you up to a million dollars. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what to make of that. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I don't Maybe she just kind of misspoke in the

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Speaker 2: moment and it might mean nothing.

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Speaker 1: But she said up too.

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Speaker 3: As well in her note, and it's also online, so

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Speaker 3: I actually think it was deliberate in saying up to

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Speaker 3: Maybe if you get part of the information, maybe it

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Speaker 3: doesn't lead to her recovery. But it leads to a

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Speaker 3: step that the next I'm sure this is legal in

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Speaker 3: a lot of ways, because if you say it and

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Speaker 3: you print it, you are bound by that. So maybe

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Speaker 3: there are caveats in which a portion of the money

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Speaker 3: would go to them, a portion of that million dollars

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Speaker 3: would be rewarded for some of the information.

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Speaker 2: And that was more I'm reading this, but you at

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Speaker 2: the end of the video. We didn't play the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: but she made other I guess relevant statements and announcements.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and she said. The Guthrie family said that

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Speaker 3: they planned, in addition to putting up this million up

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Speaker 3: to a million dollars for information leading to Nancy's recovery,

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Speaker 3: they also are donating five hundred thousand dollars to the

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Speaker 3: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and Savannah said

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Speaker 3: this specifically. Look, they are living through what I think

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Speaker 3: most people would consider the hardest part of dealing with

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Speaker 3: someone's potential death is not knowing if they're dead, and

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Speaker 3: may have gone through. So, yes, they are commiserating. They say,

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Speaker 3: we know there are millions of families who have suffered

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Speaker 3: with this same kind of uncertainty. So there's real empathy

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Speaker 3: coming from them in that sense where they understand now

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Speaker 3: probably for the first time in their lives, what it's

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Speaker 3: actually like to not know. I've thought about this. You

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Speaker 3: and I have covered so many stories about missing children,

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Speaker 3: and as a parent, the first thing you think is

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Speaker 3: that would be absolute living hell to not know. It's

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Speaker 3: hard enough to get the information that you didn't want

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Speaker 3: to hear, but it's even harder to have zero information,

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Speaker 3: to have it be this mystery that you can't solve.

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Speaker 3: And that's what they're facing right now.

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Speaker 2: How she sounds, I mean robes There's nothing has ever

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Speaker 2: changed in any of these videos coming from them that

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Speaker 2: leads you to believe they think they're close. They this

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Speaker 2: seems day one, no idea what happened to Nancy Guthrie

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Speaker 2: eighty four years old? Not much of an update necessarily

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Speaker 2: with the case. The sheriff hasn't been doing uh what

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Speaker 2: weeks ago. He said he wouldn't do any until there

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Speaker 2: were significant updates. But there have been updates trickling in

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Speaker 2: and including the sheriff recently having to come out and

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Speaker 2: kind of calm people down about a clue that Internet

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Speaker 2: sleuts thought they had picked up.

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Speaker 1: Stay here, all right, folks, We continue.

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Speaker 2: Here on Amy and TJ major headline and the Nancy

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Speaker 2: Guthrie disappearance. The family of Nancy Guthrie now offering up

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Speaker 2: to one hundred excuse me, up to a million dollars

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Speaker 2: in reward for in leading to what they're saying is

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Speaker 2: the recovery of Nancy Guthry.

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Speaker 3: And something I thought was interesting in that plea, Savannah

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Speaker 3: Guthrie made it very clear you can remain anonymous. You

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Speaker 3: don't have to give your name. They say they have

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Speaker 3: something set up where you can give this information that

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Speaker 3: would lead to Nancy Guthrie's recovery and they would be

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Speaker 3: able to find a way to pay you without your

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Speaker 3: identity ever being known. This is what she's claiming. They

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Speaker 3: gave the one eight hundred call FBI number. She also said,

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Speaker 3: you can find a way to reach out to me.

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Speaker 3: I guess she figures there are enough crafty people out

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Speaker 3: But she's saying, however, you want to get in touch

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Speaker 3: with us. FBI has also put something out on x

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Speaker 3: asking anyone with first hand knowledge of Nancy Guthrie's whereabouts

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Speaker 3: to contact them for that reward money. So they are

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Speaker 3: blasting this out to everyone that there is a million

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Speaker 3: the person you know who kidnapped Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Guthrie, Well that's the phone is going to ring off

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Speaker 2: the hook. I mean, stand by for TMZ to get

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Speaker 2: twenty new notes from somebody. Right, they've never said any

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Speaker 2: of those notes that came in the TMZ were credible,

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Speaker 2: So we seem nowhere, Robes, this is going This has

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Speaker 2: to work if and I just worry about how many

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Speaker 2: thousands of leads they are going to get that aren't actually.

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Speaker 3: Legitimate, But that just goes to show you they've calculated

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Speaker 3: that and they're willing to take in all of those

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Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of leads that they know they're going

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Speaker 3: to get to find the one that they're looking for.

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Speaker 1: That means they really don't have anything. Robes.

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Speaker 2: How can you have a picture of the guy on

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Speaker 2: the porch and have and be nowhere and.

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Speaker 3: To your pipe what you teased? There was another image

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Speaker 3: of this suspect on Nancy Guthrie's porch without the backpack,

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Speaker 3: and people started jumping to conclusions, making headlines out of

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Speaker 3: this other image, saying he came the night before the

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Speaker 3: suspect was scoping out Nancy Guthrie's home in the days

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Speaker 3: leading up to her kidnapping. See here's a picture of

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Speaker 2: This story is fascinating Robes because quite frankly, I don't

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Speaker 2: But the ones staying with Savannah right now are Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: smart right. They are rare. We've seen them Robes over year,

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Speaker 2: and this does happen. Miracles happen, and maybe it will.

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Speaker 2: But Rogues, I still wanted to know. If it wasn't

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Speaker 2: And if they did, digger, why do we not know

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Speaker 2: a single one of these notes is credible? This is

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Speaker 2: just a mystery now that Robes, I think this move.

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Speaker 3: One money motivates.

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Speaker 2: We know that you're in somebody that knows the guy

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Speaker 3: Just like Savannah said, I think we all believe that

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Speaker 3: But most importantly, the Guthrie family desperately wants answers to

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Speaker 3: you so much for listening to us. Everyone, I'm Amy

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Speaker 3: Robach alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon.