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Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another NFL Fantasy Flex episode

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Speaker 2: of the award winning Action Network podcast, presented by Bett MGM,

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Speaker 2: and the editor in chief of Fantasy Labs. In here

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Speaker 2: with me are Shawn Corner and Chris Raymond. Sean is

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Speaker 2: the Action Network Director of Predictive Analytics. Chris is a

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Speaker 2: In this episode, we are highlighting the players at the

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Speaker 2: top of our week twelve rankings and the fantasy tool

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Speaker 2: it is Thanksgiving week, which means four things. One pie

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Speaker 2: how is it going? Do you have any Thanksgiving plans

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Speaker 2: you care to divulge?

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Speaker 4: I don't care to divulge too much. But it's going

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Speaker 4: to be a very very very small Thanksgiving, socially distant,

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Speaker 4: lot more chill this year. Yeah, Rayvon, what about you?

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be working at Action Network, you know,

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Speaker 5: pumping out NFL content, watching football, and I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: That that's dangerous and four am that's you know, if

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, let's get into the show and talk

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Speaker 2: about the quarterbacks that we have at the top of

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Speaker 2: Those are the guys right now. And I should say,

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Speaker 2: guys you want to talk about, Sean, who are you

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Speaker 4: So I'm high on Deshaun Watson for this Thanksgiving slate.

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Speaker 4: You know, I still like him at his hefty price

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at Daniel Jones, he's definitely popping

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Speaker 2: in part because he's obviously one of the cheaper quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: on the slate and then Sean, I'm with you entirely

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Speaker 3: I love the Jones call that was.

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Speaker 5: then I like both quarterbacks in the Chargers Bills game.

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Speaker 5: I think Josh Allen justin Herbert that just has shootout

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Speaker 2: Ray Bond to your point out Taysom Hill. It feels

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Speaker 2: now we're going to see, I would say, sort of

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Speaker 2: The best case version of timone thought everyone would have

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Speaker 2: That's sort of the Taysom Hill trajectory of a guy

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Speaker 5: I would say a lot closer to Josh Allen and

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Speaker 5: Tim Tebow. I mean Tim Tebow just I don't think

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Speaker 2: T Taysom Hill was not an NFL quarterback until this

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Speaker 3: And that's and that's fair.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I've really watched this game Quie now

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Speaker 5: Taysom Hill's nothing like that.

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Speaker 5: Started over a guy who threw thirty touchdowns last year.

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Speaker 5: Picks too, but like Taysom Hill is like the backup

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Speaker 3: He's their guy.

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Speaker 5: And you know he didn't turn the ball over throwing.

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Speaker 5: to Thomas. He threw five passes incomplete. Again, great game

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Speaker 5: by Sean Payton. But like, in effect, he's essentially ahead

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Speaker 5: of where Allen was, you know, in start number two

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Speaker 3: The throws don't look his good, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sean with you on Lamar Jackson. I've really been

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Speaker 5: And but but I also think you know, looking at

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Speaker 3: The football at that price.

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Speaker 5: You know, one hundred dollars cheaper is Cam Newton in

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Speaker 5: But Tom Brady at sixty six hundred as the QB

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Speaker 2: Just just be carefous. Yes, Okay, So let's get to

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Speaker 2: bet MGM. Sean give us the quarterback prop.

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Speaker 4: We have to go Taysom Hill passing yards at Denver.

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Speaker 4: I had something creative planned for him at tight end,

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Speaker 2: I will go over, but just barely. I have this

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Speaker 5: I have it in the two teams, so I'm going under.

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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, watching that game, they died

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Speaker 5: So I think Taysom Hill can smash without necessarily throwing

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Speaker 4: Him closer to like a Tim Tebow type of projection.

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Speaker 5: I know, I just I just think, like Sean Payton's

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Speaker 3: So that's just how my prejections go.

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Speaker 4: I'm high on James Robinson at sixty three hundred at

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Speaker 4: of routes run per dropback, so he is the workhorse

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00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 4: back and should see most of the goal line carries

434
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Speaker 4: when they do get when those do arise. So I

435
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 4: love him again, as you know, potentially low end RB

436
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 4: one this week against the Bills, who can be vulnerable

437
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 4: to running back. So one more week of the blogs

438
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 4: trained for me, and then once Austin Eckler comes back,

439
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 4: that'll be it. But love Cam Bladge at fifty eight hundred.

440
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Speaker 2: Sean, I am with you on both of those guys.

441
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 2: I also like Antonio Gibson, who I talked about on

442
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Speaker 2: the podcast last week, and I feel like it's another

443
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: pretty decent spotform at this point. If you sort of

444
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 2: take away the season opener where he wasn't really locked

445
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: in lead back yet, you look at what he's done

446
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: in his past nine games. He has eight touchdowns and

447
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 2: almost seven hundred yards. He's getting goal line opportunities, three

448
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: point three targets per game. I'm not really all that

449
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: high on the Dallas defense. So it's another spot where

450
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: I have Antonio Gibson ranked in the top five, which

451
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 2: you know, feels aggressive, but I mean at this point,

452
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: with the running back apocalypse on and Antonio Gibson looking

453
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: like a guy who's a pretty decent bet each week

454
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Speaker 2: to score a touchdown, I'm fine with him in the

455
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Speaker 2: top five. Raybon, who do you like?

456
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Speaker 5: So there are a few guys I'll start, you know,

457
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 5: with Mike Davis. He's at sixty nine hundred, and you know,

458
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 5: we saw him kind of take control of that backfield

459
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 5: again last week with Christian McCaffrey, who looks like he's

460
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 5: going to be out again. And this Minnesota defense is

461
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 5: another one of these defenses that maybe you have a

462
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Speaker 5: certain perception of them in your head from you know,

463
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Speaker 5: all of the great years under Mike Zimmer, But you

464
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 5: look up at this defense and they are thirtieth and

465
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 5: adjusted lineyards allowed at four point eight six, and they

466
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 5: are twenty third in running back yards per carry allowed

467
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 5: at four point four to six.

468
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Speaker 3: So this is another spot.

469
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Speaker 5: Where I expect Davis to be able to approach twenty touches.

470
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Speaker 5: He's a guy who's going to catch a lot of

471
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Speaker 5: balls in most matchups. He has six and five catches

472
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 5: in two of the last three games. Last week was

473
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Speaker 5: actually kind of an uncharacteristically down reception week for him.

474
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 5: But he's a guy who can easily put up like

475
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 5: seven eight catches, which just gives him a huge ceiling.

476
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Speaker 5: And then going down the list a little bit more

477
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Speaker 5: somebody that I don't know how much he's going to

478
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 5: really be talked about our people who are going to

479
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 5: be on him or not, depending like, because there are

480
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 5: other guys kind of his price range, but Kenyon Drake,

481
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: I think we kind of overlook him. You know, Chase

482
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 5: Edmond scored a touchdown in the receiving game last week,

483
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Speaker 5: but Kenyan Drake has been a guy that's been getting

484
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 5: you know, fifteen plus touches pretty much every time he

485
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 5: you know, hits the field for the Cardinals. And this

486
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 5: New England defense is another one that's just really been

487
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 5: struggling against the run.

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Speaker 3: New England is twenty sixth.

489
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 5: And the Justin lyneyards allowed to opposing backfields and twenty

490
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 5: first in running back yards per allowed. They're also twenty fifth,

491
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: giving up one point three two second level yards per carrier.

492
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 5: So New England's been bad all over and run defense,

493
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 5: and I think Drake will be a guy that will

494
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 5: kind of go a little bit overlooked because you have

495
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 5: Ahmed in that price range. You have Wayne Galman, who's

496
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 5: another guy like to going against Cincinnati. They're not going

497
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 5: to really put too much pressure on the Giants.

498
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Speaker 4: You know.

499
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Speaker 5: Wayne Goalman's been running hard in the Cincinnati defense, another

500
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 5: one of those defenses that's just bottom five and adjusted lineyards.

501
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 5: In fact, they're dead last at four point nine to

502
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 5: three allowed and their thirty first and running back carry

503
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 5: yards allowed five point two four, which is just ridiculous

504
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 5: this late.

505
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Speaker 3: In the season.

506
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Speaker 5: So Wayne Goalman is another guy who it's kind of ugly.

507
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 5: But the Giants are big road favorites over Cincinnati, so

508
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 5: Goalman could approach twenty touches.

509
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Speaker 2: All right, Sean, who are you low on?

510
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Speaker 4: I'm low on Clyde Edwards Hilaire sixty four hundred at

511
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay is a bit too pricey for me. Obviously,

512
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 4: this is a tough matchup for running backs, but we

513
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 4: really haven't seen the receiving work you'd want to see

514
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 4: from Clyde Edwards Hilaire. He only ran around on thirty

515
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 4: five percent of the dropbacks last week, which is the

516
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: same as Daryl Williams, and even lev Bell had twenty

517
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 4: one percent, so it's pretty even timeshare there. He was

518
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 4: able to bail himself out with a couple of touchdowns,

519
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: but you know, even lev Bell took away a goal

520
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 4: line carry from him, so you don't want to be

521
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 4: leaning on rushing touchdowns in a Patrick Mahomes led offense.

522
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: So I will be fading Edwards Hilaire this week. And

523
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 4: then the other guy is Gus Edwards, who you know,

524
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Speaker 4: he's a solid RB two play this week in season long.

525
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: He's pretty much a free square for the Thanksgiving slate

526
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 4: at four K. But if you're in GPPs, you know

527
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 4: one way to get leverage against the field is fade

528
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: Gus Edwards here. You know, the the Ravens are four

529
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 4: point underdogs. They could get behind. This could turn more

530
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: into a Justice Hill type of game, so I think

531
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Speaker 4: there's there's paths to Gus Edwards busting even at this price. Obviously,

532
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 4: you know the Steers have a solid run defense, but

533
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 4: this game could get away from the Ravens, and if

534
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: Gus Edwards doesn't score a touchdown, you know, he doesn't

535
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 4: really see the receiving work to hit value otherwise. So

536
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 4: he's a potential fade in GPPs for me.

537
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: But in season long leagues, do you think he's pretty

538
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: much a mustard.

539
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 4: Absolutely a must start RB two. Yeah, yeah, especially this

540
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 4: time of year where there's so many injuries and whatnot.

541
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 4: Like Gus Edwards, if you have him, you're playing him

542
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: this week.

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. That's that's where I am with him.

544
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: A guy I am low on Alvin Kamara. We talked

545
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: in mentioning the quarterbacks and Taysom Hill about how Alvin

546
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: Kamar was just not a part of the receiving game

547
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: last week, and maybe that changes a little bit, but

548
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: it looks like that was something that is just sort

549
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: of a built in part of that Taysom Hill Tim

550
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: Tebow esque offense where they're just not giving the ball

551
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: to one of the best pass catching backs in the league.

552
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: And if that is something that carries over, and I

553
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: really think it might carry over to this next week,

554
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: then Alvin Kamara goes from being a guy who's a

555
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: top three running back in almost any format to someone

556
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: who I think is more of a low end RB

557
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: one just because he's not getting the ball and the

558
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: best opportunities he could. So Kamara for me at this point,

559
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: obviously you have him, you're playing him, but I think

560
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: you have to adjust your expectations a little bit given

561
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: what we saw were didn't see last week in the

562
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: receiving game, Raymond, you are shaking your head over there.

563
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 5: I just feel like, and I give you credit, like

564
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 5: you've been on top of the Ezekiel Elliott demise or

565
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 5: at least you know, downstretch for a few weeks in there.

566
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 5: But like, I don't think there's anything to Kamara in

567
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: his you know, slow game in that first one with

568
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 5: taste him you look at I mean, coming into the game,

569
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 5: what were we saying. We're like, ah, you know, Michael

570
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 5: Thomas could struggle a little getting a downgrade and quarterback,

571
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 5: and what does Sean Payton do feeds the ball to

572
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 5: Michael Thomas. Now we're saying, ah know, Alvin Kamara, maybe

573
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 5: that's just the new reality.

574
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: Taysom Hills here, what do you think he's gonna do

575
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: the next game?

576
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 5: Like like this is just Sean Payton messing with us

577
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 5: and like there's no reason.

578
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: You know, It's not like with Dallas.

579
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 5: Where okay, you had o line injuries, you had like

580
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 5: really bad drop off that quarterback.

581
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: Like in the last game against Atlanta.

582
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: First of all, Atlanta scored what nine points, It wasn't

583
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 5: really a game where they the offense was ever really

584
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: under pressure.

585
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: But also Kamara was highly involved in that game.

586
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 5: I mean he was running like motions and jet sweeps

587
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 5: and doing all these kinds of things almost every play,

588
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 5: which allowed Chas him and the rest of that offense

589
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 5: to click. So this just to me feels like a

590
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 5: spot where now you go heavy Camara and Thomas because

591
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 5: now you've built up Thomas and kind of established that

592
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 5: Taysom Hill can in fact be a professional quarterback and

593
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 5: you know, get one hundred yard receiver. So I think

594
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 5: we actually see a big game from Kamara. I wouldn't

595
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 5: worry about him just because of the of the one backup.

596
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: What do you define as a big game.

597
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: Because look like I have a right too, I have

598
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: him right number two.

599
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: That feel very aggressive based on what we saw.

600
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: He's what is he?

601
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 5: I mean, Okay, behind Dalvin Cook, who's been you know

602
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 5: more reliable than than Kamara.

603
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean, like every back is going to probably have

604
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, one.

605
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: Or James Robinson has been more reliable.

606
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: I mean that's fair, but you look at all right,

607
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: look at the Saints.

608
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: I have Josh Josh Jacobs right there in that three four.

609
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 4: You can make a case for Josh Jacobs over Kamara. Two.

610
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 5: Some smart people on Twitter once totally the matchups don't matter,

611
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: and like they do matter a little bit, but like

612
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 5: I feel like we're getting in our I just feel

613
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 5: like we're essentially lowering Kamara for no like tangible reason.

614
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: It's just like.

615
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: One I think there's a very tangible reason. The tangible

616
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: reason is that he had one target last week. That's

617
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: a very tangible reason.

618
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 5: Standard deviation variants that happens, like they like like, you know,

619
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 5: all right, we finally moved Adam, Like a lot of

620
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: people finally moved you know, Adam's out of number one

621
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 5: last week, including myself.

622
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: I was wrong, But why why did we do that matchup?

623
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: And what happened? The same old thing that happens most weeks.

624
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 5: Vonte Adams crush it, Like I feel like this is

625
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 5: just a classic Sean Payton case, Like Michael Thomas had

626
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 5: two catches the week before, Like, are we like this

627
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 5: happens right?

628
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: Yeah? I was well heading into the week. I was

629
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: a little bit nervous about Khmera's receiving usage, just because

630
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, Taysom Hill's not going to dump

631
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: it off to him, He's gonna run it instead. So

632
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: I thought that might play into it. But it was

633
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 4: concerning to see the zero catches, and this plays into

634
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: my prop So maybe this can help settle it for

635
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: all of us. But for his receiving yards, where do

636
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: you have him projected? Because I'm setting the over hundred

637
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: at thirty eight and a half, and I think that's

638
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: what Freeman's getting at is that you know, his receiving

639
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: production is his value. So if you don't have that,

640
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 4: you know, near his normal levels, like where do you

641
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 4: have that at?

642
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 5: So I have him and remember this is with me

643
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 5: being a little bit undermarket on Taysom, but I have

644
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 5: Kamara at forty one. I have him and Michael Thomas

645
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 5: really dominating the target share. I mean, if you look

646
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 5: at Alvin Kamara this year, his target per route run

647
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 5: is thirty three percent, and that's even higher than Thomas,

648
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 5: even after that game, who's still at twenty six percent

649
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 5: for the year, So you know, you know again, I

650
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 5: just think it was variance, and I do think that,

651
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 5: Like you have a situation where okay, yes, Taysom Hill

652
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 5: runs more than Drew Brees, but you also have Sean

653
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: Payton scheming up the throws and defining the throws for

654
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: Hill as well, so you could just as easily see

655
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 5: him scheming like ten to eleven balls to Kamara. I'm

656
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: not gonna go and like totally change my projections, like

657
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 5: I like I have him, like with with Taysom Lowe

658
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 5: and Michael Thomas, you know, doing what he does, Like

659
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: I still have Kamara.

660
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: I will take the under on ten or eleven targets

661
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: to Alvin Kamara, and I will say, Sean, I have it,

662
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: and we know I'm the donkey who almost always bets

663
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: the over reliably when Sean sets a prop And Sean,

664
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: what line did you.

665
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: Set thirty and a half, which it sounds like I'm

666
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: right in line with Raybond. We're very close there.

667
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have it at thirty two and a half, okay,

668
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: and you know, like maybe I'm just too low. But Raymond,

669
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: you say, like one target like that can happen. Sure,

670
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: like that can happen, but that doesn't happen with Alvin Kamara. Like,

671
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: not at any other game this season has he had

672
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: just one target? And not any game last year did

673
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: he have just one target? Like even if you adjust

674
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: for something that is variance in thinking of this as

675
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: like an extreme outlier case, which I would say it is, Uh,

676
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: I don't think we would still expect him to snap

677
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: back to the eight targets that he was getting with

678
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: another quarterback. I think it's just like that doesn't feel

679
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: as realistic to me or as projectable moving forward. I

680
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: would say something that's more like in the I don't

681
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: know sean like six target range like that feels that

682
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: feels a little more realistic.

683
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially with the potential game plan this week, six

684
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: targets sounds fair. And also with Kamara. You know, Taysom

685
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: Hill has such a big rushing touchdown share of my model,

686
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: it's kind of eating into Kamara's rushing touchdown projection. Obviously

687
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: he's able to score last week, but that's kind of

688
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: eating into it. After all this, Kamara is still my

689
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: RB four. He's a must play in all formats. It's

690
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: supposed to just lower your expectations just to tad as baseball.

691
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: We're saying, yeah, I mean Ice Raymond. Here's another way

692
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: thinking about it. If Taysom Hill is Josh Allen, Like,

693
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: do we want Josh Allen's running backs.

694
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 5: When they're Alvin Kamara getting coached by Sean Bayton. Yeah, Like,

695
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 5: I mean, I get what you guys are saying, and

696
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm pretty in line I think with Shawn's

697
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 5: projections and probably yours.

698
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: Two Friedman, It's just like.

699
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 5: I'm not panicking on Alvin Kamara. Like, I think it's

700
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 5: a totally different situation from even, for example, in Ezekiel Elliott,

701
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 5: who like he got a downgrade in things that would

702
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 5: actually help him run well, like an offensive line or

703
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: get close to the end zone that like a bad

704
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 5: quarterback like this Saint's offense is still going to be

705
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 5: moving the football. And again, like, I just think he

706
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 5: could just as easily as he had that one target

707
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 5: last week. What I'm saying is he could have ten

708
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 5: or eleven. I'm not saying that's the median projection. I

709
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 5: haven't projected for four point four catches for forty one yards.

710
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 5: So you know that's nothing crazy, but he's still my

711
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 5: RB three And I just like, I mean to put

712
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 5: it in perspective, who what was the prop last week

713
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 5: Jad mckissi's receptions right, and it was like, oh, coming

714
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 5: up these two huge games, and it's like, gotta probably

715
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 5: go over with that, right, Like, and then what happened?

716
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 5: He caught like three balls, and it's like, this is

717
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 5: just what happens at this time of year.

718
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: Now that we are, you know, kind.

719
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 5: Of two thirds into the season, we're gonna see, you know,

720
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 5: an outlier would represent like a ten percent outcome this point,

721
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 5: it's getting close to where you would expect, you know,

722
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: even a normally distributed variable to.

723
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: Have that one outlier.

724
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 5: So I'm just not taking it too seriously that the

725
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: one game with Camaro, All.

726
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: Right, Raymond, I don't think we actually even got to

727
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: a guy that you were low on. This meeln who

728
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: are you low.

729
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 5: On Melvin Gordon? I like Melvin Gordon last week? He

730
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 5: had a good match up. Miami's a really bad run defense.

731
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: I think they're twenty ninth in DDA, so they're exploitable

732
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: on the ground.

733
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: The Northern Saints are not.

734
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: This is just a complete night and day opposite matchup

735
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 5: for Melvin Gordon. In fact, these Saints in PPR formats

736
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 5: are right there with the Bucks allowing the fewest points

737
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 5: to opposing backfield. So this is just a really good

738
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 5: run defense. That's part of the reason why the Falcons,

739
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 5: you know, even though though you know, me included liked

740
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: them last week, they just couldn't get anything going on

741
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: the ground. And they're actually number one. They're actually number

742
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 5: one in fewest points allowed to running backs. They go

743
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 5: out only sixty six yards per game to opposing backfields combined.

744
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 5: So like it's just a really tough spot for Gordon.

745
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 5: I think people may see the big game last week

746
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 5: and maybe try to chase against the Sames. You think

747
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 5: it could be a high scoring game. Maybe, yeah, things happen,

748
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to the wide receivers. Here the three

770
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: guys at the top of our boards Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill,

771
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs, Sean. Who do you like here?

772
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: I like DeMarcus Robinson this week at thirty seven hundred.

773
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: This is assuming Sammy Watkins figures out a way to

774
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: be injured again this week and out. But this is

775
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: back to back games. Now where Robinson has run over

776
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 4: eighty percent of routes run per dropback. This week was

777
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: eighty eight percent. Now, you know, Mikol Hartman was on

778
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: the COVID list, didn't practice much that could have played

779
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 4: into it, And as a fan, I would much rather

780
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 4: have Mikol Hartman be a bigger role in this offense.

781
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: But as somebody that makes actions for a living, I

782
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: have to accept that it's DeMarcus Robinson and you just

783
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: have to take a guy that's under four k that

784
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: is running over eighty percent of the routes in a

785
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes led offense. So I will have plenty of

786
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 4: shares of him this week and GVPS. And the other

787
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: guy is Cole Beasley at fifty five hundred. You know

788
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 4: John Brown's going to be out this week, and you

789
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 4: know the last time that John Brown was out, Beasley

790
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: saw twelve targets, went for eleven catches for one hundred

791
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: and twelve yards. He actually went for eleven catches, one

792
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: hundred nine yards and a touchdown before they're by So

793
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: I'm hoping the point chasers will have forgotten about that

794
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 4: game and won't be on him this week. But I

795
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 4: just think Beasley has an incredibly high floor most weeks,

796
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: but this week he also has incredibly high ceiling. Makes

797
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 4: a ton of sense to stack with Josh Allen potentially

798
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: a double stack with Stefan Diggs as well. But Cole

799
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: Beasley just at fifty five hundred is his smash play

800
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: for me this week?

801
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Beasley even regardless of Brown, whether he's in

802
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: or out, Beastly just has a great cornerback matchup going

803
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: against Von Campbell, who's a backup, really third stringer filling

804
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: in for Chris Harris who's injured, So great matchup for him. Raymond,

805
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: who are you high on this week?

806
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 5: So on the Thanksgiving slate, I think the Texans wide

807
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 5: receivers are in great spots. You have Randall Cobb dealing

808
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 5: with a significant toe injury and then you have Kenny

809
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 5: Stills getting banged up as well last week, So I

810
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 5: think Fuller and Cooks are both in smash spots against

811
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 5: the Detroit Lions, who you know, let's be honest, they're

812
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 5: just not very good on defense, so love them. And

813
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 5: then looking at the main slate, I think Christian Kirk

814
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 5: is a guy you know, in going against the New

815
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 5: England Patriots.

816
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: They their defense is really just falling off a cliff.

817
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 5: Belichick usually is going to focus on taking away, you know,

818
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 5: the key guy. So you think that you know that's

819
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 5: you know, DeAndre Hopkins is going to be the main

820
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 5: focus Christian Kirk then I think, you know, for a

821
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 5: guy he ran ninety I think with ninety eight percent

822
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 5: of the routes last week. He's a guy that can

823
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 5: you know, one big play for him is at takes.

824
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 5: So he's got a good mix of a dot and

825
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: routes run. And I think he's a kind of another

826
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: one of these cardinals that I think is going to

827
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 5: be a little bit under under the radars.

828
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 3: So like Kirk as well.

829
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: So Rayvond piggybacking off of your Christian Kirk call guy

830
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: I'm low on is DeAndre Hopkins for you know, part

831
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: of what you mentioned there. I do think that Belichick

832
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: will have the focus on taking away Hopkins, and so

833
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of him more as an upside wide receiver

834
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: two this week instead of a wide receiver one. He

835
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 2: does have a tough matchup with Stefan Gilmour, who returned

836
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: to action last week, and even though Gilmore hasn't been

837
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: as good this year as he was in previous seasons.

838
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: He's still you know, I mean, top twelve, top fifteen

839
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: cornerback in the league. So I think it's still a

840
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: tough matchup. And more importantly, since Christian Kirk returned from

841
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: injury in Week four, Hopkins has seen fewer targets a

842
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: twenty six percent target share since Week four, which is good,

843
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: but not like the elite mark that we saw him

844
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: have early in the year. And over the past month

845
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: it's been a twenty four percent target chair. And you know,

846
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: we've seen him throughout the past couple of months be

847
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: rather up and down with his production, and so this

848
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: feels like a fifty yard game as opposed to one

849
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: hundred yard game with a touchdown, And so I will

850
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: be relatively lower on DeAndre Hopkins, I think relative to

851
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: the market here, a guy I'm high on is Tyreek Hill,

852
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: and he has a twenty eight percent target chair in

853
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: the five games this year. Without Sammy Watkins, I don't

854
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: think that the Buccaneers have a corner who can reliably

855
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: challenge Tyreek Hill. Carlton Davis normally is best against bigger

856
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: wide receivers and he tends to play on the outside

857
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: He'll runs a decent number of his routes from the

858
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: slot where Carlton Davis almost never goes, and so I

859
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: don't think it's a great matchup for Davis anyway. And

860
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: then he's not even going to be on Tyreek for

861
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: a good chunk of his routes. So this feels like,

862
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: especially given the recent target chair that we've seen Tyreek have,

863
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: this just feels like a very good spot for him,

864
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: even though he is going against a pretty good pass defense. Sean,

865
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: who are you relatively low on?

866
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: I'm low on Michael Thomas again this week. He's seventy

867
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: four hundred on DK top five wide receiver in terms

868
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 4: of price. You know, I got burned in the Fantasy

869
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: pros contest last week, having a minus fifteen against ECR.

870
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 4: And if you told me Taysom Hill would attempt twenty

871
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: three passes and throw for zero touchdowns, I would have

872
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: felt really good about having Michael Thomas ranked as a

873
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: wide receiver three. But of course he ended up with

874
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 4: nine catches for one hundred and four yards. So you know,

875
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 4: I think that the Saints offense we've talked about already,

876
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: but they're gonna have to mix up the game plan

877
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: a bit this week, get Alvin Combe Alan Kamara more involved,

878
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: maybe throw a pass or two to Jared Cook. But

879
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: I just I just think that the target share for

880
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: Thomas is so massive that you can't really bank on

881
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: that week to week. So you know, I have him

882
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: ranked as a low end wide receiver two. Definitely not

883
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 4: spending up seventy four hundred on DK this week. And

884
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 4: then I'm also low on every single Bengals wide receiver

885
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: going forward. You know, going from Joe Burrow to Ryan

886
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: Finley is a disaster, you know, especially a guy like

887
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 4: t Higgins. I thought he was potentially becoming a low

888
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: end wide receiver one, but going forward, you know, he's man.

889
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: I would say, wide receiver three flex kind of play. Now,

890
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: last year, Tyler Boyd was able to put up some

891
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: fancy product production with Finley under center, but I mean

892
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 4: he was competing with you know, Alex Errison, Alex Erics, Ericson,

893
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: Auden Tate, and Stanley Morgan. So you know, going forward,

894
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 4: it's just gonna be tough for you know, all three

895
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 4: of these guys Green, Higgins and Boyd to put up production.

896
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 4: So I'm fading all Bengals receive.

897
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: This week, Raymond, who are you staying away from?

898
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 5: You know, Adam Gase took over the play calling and

899
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 5: you know, looked a little better out there near the

900
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 5: end of that Jets game. But I do not like

901
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 5: these Jets receivers for Shad Perriman and Denzel Mims going

902
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: against the Dolphins outside cornerbacks Xavian Howard and Byron Jones,

903
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 5: that's just a terrible matchup. I know Crowder had the

904
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 5: you know, the bad week last week, but I don't

905
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 5: think that, like like we're going to see Perriman and

906
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 5: Mims carry it forward this week. So staying away from

907
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 5: those guys, I think those are the the the main guys.

908
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 5: But also another guy that I think is a little bit,

909
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 5: you know, just based on what happened on Monday night.

910
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: You know, people will probably be all over him. But

911
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: Robert Woods could be a little dangerous.

912
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 5: Looks like Richard Sherman will return for the San Francisco

913
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 5: forty nine ers, which does strengthen their their defense, and

914
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: they've been pretty wrong even with without Sherman and just

915
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 5: a host of injuries at defending perimeter receivers. So Woods

916
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 5: is kind of a risky play, even after the eruption

917
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 5: spot against a really good defense last week. But I

918
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 5: will say because I think a lot of people may

919
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 5: you know, look at that Tampa Bay defense and not

920
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: know what to think. You know now that the Chiefs

921
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 5: are going up against them, because they've been really good

922
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 5: most of the year but had to, you know, give

923
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 5: up a ton of production. I would say, like, this

924
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 5: is like I grew with sean On Robinson and like,

925
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 5: I think this is a game where we might not

926
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 5: see the Chiefs run. I mean, the Rams have been

927
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 5: a run heavy team most of the year, and they

928
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 5: attempted what was it, fifty one passes and had about

929
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 5: fifteen handoffs in that game. And it wasn't just like

930
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 5: a game script thing. They won the game like they

931
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 5: weren't chasing. So I think we could see the Chiefs

932
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 5: throw it all around the yard. So, guys, I am

933
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 5: not low on are the Chiefs. I grew both of you, guys.

934
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 5: I love Tyreek and Robinson.

935
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Rayvon tear point about the Jets wide receivers

936
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: and you have Adam Gase there going against his former team.

937
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: Revenge games they go both ways, and you don't normally

938
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: think of like a team having like the revenge angle

939
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 2: against a coach. But if there ever were a team

940
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: to have the revenge angle against the coach, I think

941
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: it would be the Dolphins going against Adam Gase here.

942
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: So something to keep in mind, Sean, give us and

943
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: by the way I say it like it means something,

944
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: it means nothing. Sean, give us the player prop for

945
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: wide receivers.

946
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 4: I have to stick with the Saints. Like I said,

947
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 4: They're fascinating to project right now. And you know I

948
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 4: got burned in the fancy cross contest with Michael Thomas,

949
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: so need your guys help with my projection. But I

950
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: have is over under at sixty five and a half

951
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 4: receiving yards. Am I way too low there?

952
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: I know I'm a donkey here, but I'm just thinking

953
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: that what we saw last week, Like how what was

954
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: his target share? Was it like in the fifties? I

955
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: mean it was sad to be it was something out

956
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: is Yeah, it was something outrageous. So all the targets

957
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: that normally go to Alvin Kamara, I have just reallocated

958
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: them to Michael Thomas. And so I'm I'm taking the

959
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 2: over here. But man, I mean, honestly, I don't feel

960
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: good about it.

961
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 5: I'm going under it. I have it is a really

962
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 5: good line. I have it at sixty three, so I'm

963
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 5: really close. But you again, you look at the matchup

964
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 5: and and what happened last week, and you know, you

965
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 5: put on film essentially force feeding Thomas.

966
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: Now you go against the defense that has.

967
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 5: Two pretty good, you know, some pretty good cornerbacks in

968
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 5: the secondary. We saw, you know, to a tongue of

969
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 5: my lowest struggle last week get benched against against this team.

970
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 3: So I think that this kind of shift, there's a

971
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: kind of a shift.

972
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 5: So I think we could actually like there's a there's

973
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: kind of a lot of variance, like if the game's

974
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 5: cript goes a certain way, Thomas could have another ten

975
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 5: catch game. But you know, Denver has also been really

976
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 5: bad on offense, and if they if they struggle, we

977
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 5: could also see another game kind of what we saw

978
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 5: in that thirty eight to three blowout for the Saints

979
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 5: against Tampa Bay a couple weeks ago.

980
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 3: So going with the under here, all.

981
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: Right, let's look at the tight ends and the guys

982
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: at the top of our rankings here really no surprise,

983
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey and Darren Waller numbers one and two, and

984
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: then in that number three spot, you can make an

985
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: argument for a number of guys. We have Hunter Henry

986
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: at number three. Sean, who do you like this week

987
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: at tight end?

988
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 4: Well, first, let me just say my tight end number

989
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 4: three is Dallas Goddard. This week we should get one

990
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 4: more sans zach Ertz game here. They're against Seattle. I

991
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 4: know you guys think Wentz sucks, but Dallas Godder does not.

992
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: He ran around on ninety five percent of the dropbacks

993
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 4: last week, so I'm expecting a monster game from him

994
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 4: this week. But the guy I like in DFS is

995
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: Jordan Akins at twenty nine hundred for the Thanksgiving Day slate.

996
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: He's a very sneaky stacking partner with Deshaun Watson here.

997
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: His ruts run went up to fifty six percent last

998
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: week despite you know, an annoying three way tight end

999
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: committee with Darren Fels and now Pharaoh Brown is part

1000
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 4: of that mix. But you know, I wonder with Randall

1001
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 4: Cobb out, obviously Kiki QT is gonna see a huge

1002
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: increase in playing time, but I wonder if we see Akins,

1003
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: you know, line up in the slot a bit more,

1004
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 4: and you know that that could translate into a routes

1005
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 4: run for dropback closer to the seventy percent range. I

1006
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 4: don't know, but he has a very high ceiling for

1007
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 4: twenty nine hundred on a three game slate, So I'll

1008
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: have quite a bit of shares of Akins on Thursday.

1009
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: Raymond, Who do you like?

1010
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: So?

1011
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: I think this is a This is a smash spot

1012
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: for Darren Waller. That doesn't need to be said.

1013
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 5: But he is ten k cheaper than Travis Kelce this week,

1014
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 5: and he's going against a Falcons defense that is last

1015
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 5: in the DVA against tight ends. It's just a great

1016
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 5: spot for him to potentially be the te one overall

1017
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 5: on the slate. And then further down, another team that

1018
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 5: has really struggled against tight ends is the Dallas Cowboys

1019
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 5: and Logan Thomas, just like god Or, Logan Thomas another

1020
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 5: one that ran a route. It was pretty much on

1021
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 5: the field the entire game. I believe it was one

1022
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 5: hundred percent of the dropbacks. Did Logan Thomas run a route?

1023
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 4: Last week?

1024
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: For the Washington football team?

1025
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 5: This team, you know, kind of got lucky with Joe

1026
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 5: Burrow getting hurt because I mean he's actually on his

1027
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 5: way to a pretty pretty good passing game, and I

1028
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 5: think that was going to be more of a game

1029
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 5: where they had to keep their foot on the pedal.

1030
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 5: And we saw Dallas, you know, coming off you know,

1031
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 5: get kind of getting dating back and getting getting something

1032
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 5: situated on an offense. This team can again be you know,

1033
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 5: at least respectable. So I think you could see a

1034
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 5: perfect kind of game scripts for Logan Thomas to get

1035
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 5: some ugly production here against a really bad defense.

1036
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: He's routes run per drop back the last three weeks.

1037
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,399
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Speaker 2: All right, guy, I'm high on is Hunter Henry. I

1048
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: have him number three and looking out at rankings, Raybon,

1049
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: you also have him number three there. He's consistently in

1050
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: the six to eight target range, which for a tight

1051
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: end at this time of the year makes him a

1052
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: near god. And he's going against the Bills, who have

1053
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 2: one of the worst tight end defenses in the league,

1054
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: especially with Matt Mulano linebacker on injured reserve. Milano is

1055
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: eligible to return, but I'm skeptical that he actually will

1056
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: return this week, so I'd say just be sure to

1057
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: keep an eye on that. But assuming that Milano is out,

1058
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: I will gladly take six to eight targets going against

1059
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: this defense. Sean, who are you low on?

1060
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: I am low on Evan Ingram at forty five hundred.

1061
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 4: He just seems a bit too pricey here, especially since,

1062
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: like I mentioned, the Giants are five point road favorites

1063
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 4: here against the Bengals. I don't expect them to need

1064
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 4: to throw too much, and you know, Golden Tate seems

1065
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 4: to be out of Joe Judges' doghouse, so it's gonna

1066
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: be tough to you know, feel Stirling Shepherd, Darius Slayton,

1067
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 4: Golden Tate, and Evan Ingram to all have useful production

1068
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: in a matchup like this one, So you know I'll

1069
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 4: be going elsewhere at tight end this.

1070
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: Week, Raymond, who are you low on?

1071
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: So I'll give you.

1072
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 5: A faint that that I don't like this week.

1073
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: Jared Cook.

1074
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 5: He just I think he's the guy that you know

1075
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 5: with Emmanuel Sanders, you know, being a.

1076
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: Little bit more involved than maybe expected. Jared. It's just

1077
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 3: really tough for Jared Cook. Like he's he's turned into.

1078
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 5: A touchdown really touchdown to I mean all tight ends

1079
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 5: are touchdown to penant to some degree, but Jared Cook

1080
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 5: just is going to be super dependent on touchdowns. You know,

1081
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 5: with Taysom Hill in his first start, you would think that, hey,

1082
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: maybe Cook actually gets a couple more routes run and

1083
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 5: Josh Hill is out as well, so you think, okay,

1084
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 5: But you know Cook actually played only thirty three percent

1085
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 5: of the dropbacks and he split exactly even with Adam Trautman,

1086
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 5: and that is that is kind of a red flag,

1087
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 5: you know. San Francisco, I know they're without Quiski Tart,

1088
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 5: who has a lot to do with it.

1089
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean to put some to put some

1090
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: numbers on this ravon in our rankings. I mean we

1091
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: are right there with you. Sean has him number thirty two.

1092
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: I have him number three two.

1093
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: I had, I had just scrolled out. I was like,

1094
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: what the hell do I have Cooked? I had to

1095
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: scroll down to find him. He's thirty four right now.

1096
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm actually the highest. Yeah, yeah we are. We

1097
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 8: are right there with you. I've long been a Cook fader.

1098
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 8: I mean, and you would maybe think Raymond to your

1099
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 8: point of Taysom Hill playing quarterback, Yeah, maybe that frees

1100
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 8: up more tight end snaps. And then also, you know,

1101
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 8: maybe there would be this sort of like in room

1102
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 8: symmetry of you know, tight end with tight end. They're

1103
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 8: a tight end now throwing the ball, being able to

1104
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 8: you know, have a little connection with the guy that

1105
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 8: he has to train with, because Taysom Hill is a

1106
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 8: tight end. In case you didn't get what I was saying,

1107
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 8: but anyway, Yeah, no, it didn't work out for Jared Cook,

1108
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 8: and I'm with you there and thinking that it probably

1109
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 8: won't work out for Jared Cook moving forward. So yeah,

1110
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 8: he's not a tight end one, he's not a tight

1111
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 8: end two. At this point we're thinking of Jared Cook

1112
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 8: as a tight end three, which is rather unthinkable given

1113
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 8: how bad the tight end position is in general. A

1114
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 8: guy that I am low on is Rob Gronk. I

1115
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 8: have him number fifteen going against Kansas City. He has

1116
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 8: a tough matchup with Tyron Matthew, who now is playing

1117
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 8: more of a strong safety versus the slot corner role

1118
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 8: that he was playing earlier in the year. So I

1119
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 8: really do expect that to be the player on player

1120
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 8: matchup that Gronk sees the most. And then also, and

1121
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 8: i'd say like more importantly, in the three games with

1122
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 8: Antonio Brown, Gronk has a twelve percent target chair and

1123
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 8: so at this point he's just not as central to

1124
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 8: the offense, and so with the matchup and then fewer

1125
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 8: targets going his way, I think it's easier to think

1126
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 8: of Gronk as an upside tight end too, as opposed

1127
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 8: to someone that you actually have to start at the position. Sean,

1128
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 8: give us the player prop.

1129
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: Well, we're going with a non Saints player here. I

1130
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 4: had something special planned for Tasoon Hill, but I already

1131
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier he's no longer tight on eligible on the ESPN,

1132
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: so I can't I can't use the prop that I

1133
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 4: was going to. But Dallas Goddard total saving yards against

1134
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 4: the Seahawks over under forty eight and a half.

1135
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: This is one of those rare instances, Sean, in which

1136
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to be taking the under, but I am

1137
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: very close. I have it at forty six and a half.

1138
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 3: I am going over. I have it at fifty one.

1139
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 5: You know, you look at the routes run and again

1140
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 5: this is you know, as you mentioned, been a just

1141
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 5: a bad year for tight ends, and routes are going

1142
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 5: to be the most reliable statistic and kind of metric

1143
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 5: that we can use to separate all the.

1144
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: Guys outside of the Kelseys and the Wallers.

1145
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 5: So in this situation, you look at Dallas Goddard and

1146
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 5: he's he's all you know, you think of him as

1147
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 5: you know, in that second fantasy tier after the Studs anyway,

1148
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 5: but he's the guy now that's getting those ninety percent

1149
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 5: route per drop back shares. And you know, Seattle, I

1150
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 5: think they're they're improving on defense. You know, you do

1151
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 5: have some some linebackers that it's tough to go against

1152
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 5: it in the middle of that defense. But overall, it

1153
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 5: still could set up as a game where Philadelphia has

1154
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 5: to throw a lot, so White Goddart a lot this week.

1155
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,680
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00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,960
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