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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for a Black Girls Podcasts, a

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Speaker 1: weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the

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Speaker 1: small decisions we can make to become the best possible

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Speaker 1: versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. To get more information,

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Speaker 1: visit the website at Therapy for Black Girls dot com.

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Speaker 1: And while I hope you love listening to and learning

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Speaker 1: from the podcast, it is not meant to be a

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Speaker 1: substitute for a relationship with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me for session two of

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Speaker 1: the Therapy for Black Girls Podcasts. The conversation I'll be

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Speaker 1: sharing with you today has been one of the most

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Speaker 1: requested topics I think I've had from you all, and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to share this information and because i think

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Speaker 1: many of you will benefit from it. Today, we'll be

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Speaker 1: digging into life with a bipolar disorder diagnosis. For this conversation,

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Speaker 1: I was joined by Melissa Eiffel. Melissa is a licensed

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Speaker 1: clinical social worker in both New York and Maryland and

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Speaker 1: has twenty years experience working with communities of color in

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Speaker 1: various capacities. Melissa is passionate about her work with young adults,

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Speaker 1: especially women of color with the history of trauma and

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Speaker 1: those who are in transition, seeking to learn how to

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Speaker 1: manage their emotions, have better relationships, and take their life

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Speaker 1: to the next level. Melissa and I chatted about what

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Speaker 1: she shared her favorite resources in case you want to

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Speaker 1: learn more. If you hear something that resonates with you

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Speaker 1: media using the hashtag tb G in session. Here's our conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us to day, Melissa,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy that you're here as well. And we are

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Speaker 1: and so I want to start our conversation talking about

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Speaker 1: are listening who may have kind of heart bipolar thrown

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Speaker 1: means when you receive a diagnosis of a bipolar disorder.

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Speaker 1: So when we're talking about bipolar disorder, you know many

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Speaker 1: of us here that phrase from around quite often, like

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Speaker 1: Or you you know that that really is not bipolar. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, bipolar really has to do with cycling through

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Speaker 1: then periods of depression as well. And they're typically cyclical

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Speaker 1: mood changes that meet specific criteria for duration, frequency, and

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Speaker 1: intensity that that that a typically lead to like functional impairment,

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Speaker 1: whoever referred them to me like what they see. But

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes when we really delve into their mood, changes, the cycles,

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Speaker 1: even verbalizing and discussing what their doctor changes to the

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Speaker 1: I love the way that you put them, Melissa, because

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Speaker 1: I think kind of going back to what you said

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Speaker 1: kind of feels like, oh, my life is over, Like

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Speaker 1: these are like exercises that you kind of continuously work through,

432
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Speaker 1: right like and I know, like for DBT kinds of

433
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Speaker 1: things like these are the kinds of things that you're doing,

434
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Speaker 1: like you're practicing like, Okay, what was my reaction in

435
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Speaker 1: this moment? It was this about me and what was

436
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: about the other person? Yes? Yes, And I think you

437
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: know a lot of my clients that we that it's

438
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Speaker 1: like emotional gymnastics, like they're constantly doing and sol gymnastics

439
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: and like jumping through hoops and and and figuring out

440
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: what is happening in the moment, and that does require

441
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Speaker 1: a lot of work, and that's where people get tripped up.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's it's hard to one on your emotion

443
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Speaker 1: and the society that doesn't always give us space in

444
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Speaker 1: place and time to have emotions. I think depending on

445
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: where you grow up, in the environment that you grow

446
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: up in, it's it's very easy to be taught to

447
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: stuff your emotions because you have to be strong. We

448
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: have to be and so I think on that level,

449
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: society and most of us struggle with dealing with people

450
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: that have different kinds of emotions on different days in

451
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Speaker 1: different ways, and then we feel responsible for one either

452
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: fixing their emotions ourselves or for making them fix their

453
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: emotions so that we don't have that level of discomfort.

454
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Speaker 1: So I think being able to sit in the discomfort

455
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Speaker 1: of I'm watching this person who I care about do

456
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: things to their life at this particular moment that I

457
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Speaker 1: don't think are right. I don't think it will serve

458
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Speaker 1: them in the long run. I don't think it will

459
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Speaker 1: feel good to them once they come out of this state.

460
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Speaker 1: But recognizing that for some people this is a process,

461
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: so like they're going to do what they're going to

462
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: do right now, love them, be patient, be present, and

463
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Speaker 1: then when they're in a different place, have a different

464
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Speaker 1: kind of conversation about what they can do differently, about

465
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: how they feel without the judgment, and be okay being

466
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable with that, you know, be okay being in a

467
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Speaker 1: place where you don't have the answers, where you don't

468
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Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen next. And I think that we

469
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: all struggle with that discomfort of this doesn't feel good,

470
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Speaker 1: it doesn't look good, but I don't know what's gonna

471
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Speaker 1: happen next, So like, how do I fix it? Some

472
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: things you can't really fix, you just have to work

473
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Speaker 1: through over time. Yeah, I think that's unimportant, Melissa, because

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Speaker 1: I do think just kind of as a society, we

475
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: have difficulties with like not problem fixing right, Like people

476
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: want answers, you know, like we want it now kind

477
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: of thing. And so the idea that you have to

478
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: sit with something that is uncomfortable and you know, in

479
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: some ways may be harmful, like you said, but realizing

480
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: that there may not be anything that you can do

481
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: about it in the moment is a very difficult stance

482
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Speaker 1: for people to take. Yeah, especially for parents, you know,

483
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: especially for parents. You know, there are some clients I've

484
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: worked with who've been diagnosed with you know, like pother

485
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: disorder from the time that they were and laid out

486
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Speaker 1: of lessons. I do think that there are some instances

487
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: where people are missed diagnosed, but I think ultimately, you know,

488
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Speaker 1: when I've been working with my younger clients, their parents

489
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: often coming from this perspective of you know, fix them,

490
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: you know, fix them, you know what's gonna happen to

491
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: their life. You know, this needs to be right, this

492
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: needs to be right now, m versus understanding. You know,

493
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: they're at an age where they get to make certain

494
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Speaker 1: life decisions and we might like we don't have to

495
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: agree with it right now, but love them, support them,

496
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: work with them through it, and you know there can

497
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: be a different outcome, But we have to work with

498
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: them when their choices not work for them to get

499
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Speaker 1: to a point where they're accepting your choices right right.

500
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Speaker 1: Are there other suggestions or tips you would offer for people,

501
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: because you've talked a lot about family and loved ones

502
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: being involved in the treatment process and like in the

503
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: support process, or there are other tips and suggestions you

504
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: would give for people who may have somebody in their

505
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Speaker 1: life who has been diagnosed with a bipolar disorder, like

506
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Speaker 1: how to support their loved one. I think, you know,

507
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: one final support system for yourself, it is it's super

508
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: super critical. I think that you know, finding a group

509
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Speaker 1: of people, whether it's through the National Association for the

510
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Speaker 1: Mentally Ill because they often have no parents, support groups

511
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Speaker 1: and you know, many different communities across the country, but

512
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: finding people who understand what this looks like and what this,

513
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, maybe be like for you is very helpful.

514
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: I know in New York City we have these programs

515
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Speaker 1: that are called Family Resource Centers, and they often have

516
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Speaker 1: parents who are peers. So I know that the peer

517
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: concept is you know, pretty big. Across the country. There

518
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: are people who are in you know, very stages of

519
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: recovery for you know, different types of challenges, whether it's

520
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, mental illness or the substance you challenges that

521
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: you know work with other people who are going through

522
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: those same challenges. But um in New York, in the

523
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Speaker 1: family Resource centers, they have parents who are peers because

524
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Speaker 1: they've had children who have been diagnosed with whether it's

525
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Speaker 1: a develop mental disability or a um or a mental

526
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Speaker 1: health diagnosis, so they are able to provide a different

527
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Speaker 1: type of support and I think that that's critical as well.

528
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Speaker 1: But I also think that being in a place of

529
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Speaker 1: understanding acceptance, being in a place where you can grieve

530
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Speaker 1: that the child or that the family member that you've

531
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Speaker 1: come to love and that you've come to have all

532
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: these thoughts and dreams for that their life might look

533
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: different than what you expected. But still being able to

534
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: be present through that right that that I think is important.

535
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that people give themselves the opportunity to

536
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Speaker 1: grieve the loss of the person that they wanted versus

537
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: the person who is And it might look the same

538
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Speaker 1: depending on the diagnosis, or it might look very different,

539
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: but you have to be willing to accept that and

540
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: to be okay with that um And I think education

541
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Speaker 1: and if you have consent um you know, if the

542
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Speaker 1: treating provider has consent being a part of the active team,

543
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, being a part of you know, having conversations

544
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Speaker 1: about what's going on, what is treatment, what is the

545
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: safety plan. Obviously than boundaries with the treating provider, for

546
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: your for your loved one, I think it's also essential.

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Speaker 1: So I know, Melissa A. Lot of the work that

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Speaker 1: you do. And we kind of touched on this a

549
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Speaker 1: little bit, but I want to make sure we don't

550
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Speaker 1: leave out any pieces of like what your work look

551
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: like is about like kind of vision planning and helping

552
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: your clients really develop this Is there more about that

553
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: that you want to say, um, like what this actually

554
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: looks like when you're working with a client. So when

555
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: I work with with any client, you know, all of

556
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: my clients can come work. Um. I think homework is

557
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: essential because I'm only with you forty five minutes, you know,

558
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: fifty minutes, maybe sixty depending on what's happening or you know,

559
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: the week, and you spend most of the time with yourself,

560
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: So we all get homework and I say a week

561
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Speaker 1: and sometimes I go home with you know, homework and

562
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: things to like think about with them or for them

563
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: as well. But but I think really identifying who you

564
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: are and and on what you want from life is

565
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: a critical first step in the work that I do.

566
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: I also try to integrate holistic health practices with my

567
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: clients that are consistent with their faith and the things

568
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: that they're interested in as well. So I believe that

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Speaker 1: you can have Jesus and therapy. UM, I think you

570
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: can have Buddha and therapy. I think you can be

571
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: engaged in yoga and massage, therapy and acupuncture and walking,

572
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: and in physical health practices and like holistic eating and

573
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: and I encourage all of that from the perspective of

574
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: we are one whole person, so really fully integrating into

575
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: your life, you know, in all different areas the things

576
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: that will make you feel good and the things that

577
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: are helpful for you emotionally. UM. We we talk about

578
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: in session on a regular basis. Oftentimes when we are

579
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Speaker 1: in a place where we're used to doing certain things,

580
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: like on a consistent basis, we have a certain behavior pattern.

581
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: We act in a way to life that is very

582
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: different than you know, how we would want to react.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you know, I'll just be transparent. I

584
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: have in my past, you know, and a different person

585
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: I was, UM I had it had a tendency to

586
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: um be very explosive. So if there's something that I

587
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: didn't like that you said, I'll let you know that

588
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: you said it. And you know how I let you

589
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: know that you said it wasn't necessarily friendly or pleasant,

590
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: or it didn't really lend itself to a resolution. But

591
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: once I was able to identify who I was, it

592
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: allowed me to change my thoughts and be mindful about

593
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: what I was thinking and my personal physical reactions. I

594
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: was having to know, like, you know, what was gonna

595
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: come out of my mouth next, and if that was,

596
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, how I wanted to respond to situations consistently,

597
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: So really investigating your thoughts, investigating your thought patterns, and

598
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: changing those things so that your reactions and the behaviors

599
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: that you're engaging in are consistent with who you want

600
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: to be. That is often the work, that is the

601
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: small everyday bits and pieces of the work that you

602
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: know people really miss, got it, Okay, So it's a

603
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: very active process. In other words, yes, like homework. Yeah,

604
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: it's lots of homework, and it's it's really consistent we

605
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: do we know, like in DBT, there's the whole concept

606
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: of behavior chain analysis and you know, really really looking

607
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: at you know, what occurred, what was your thought, what

608
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: was your response, and and really looking at that cycle. Um,

609
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: so we really I mean I use that a lot

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Speaker 1: because from the perspective of really investigating and really really

611
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Speaker 1: working from the place of what the individual that I'm

612
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: working with, what do they want? I think a lot

613
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: of times clinissions and you know, our loved ones talk

614
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: to us about what we're doing from the perspective of

615
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: what we want, you know, versus what the person that

616
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: we're talking to want, and so we UM. So I

617
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: really try to work from the place of, Okay, what

618
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Speaker 1: does my client want, what feels you know, what will

619
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: feel authentic to them now? And then you know, who

620
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: do they want to be? And it's that constant sort

621
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Speaker 1: of visiting that vision daily as your I'm going through life,

622
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: got it? So I'm sure my listen that there are

623
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Speaker 1: a lot of resources in that kind of come up

624
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: over and over for you again, UM, so, what are

625
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: some of your favorite resources that you recommend for your clients?

626
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Speaker 1: So my favorite resources is it's actually I work with

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00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot of clients who have experienced trauma UM and

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00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: I of course The Body Keeps for is a book

629
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Speaker 1: that is you know, you know, wildly you know, UM

630
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: lauded and it's it's how recommended. But there's another book,

631
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Speaker 1: UM that's called Childhood Disrupted that I really love because

632
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: it really breaks down from my client too experienced trauma UM,

633
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, what happens to your body in your mind.

634
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: Um you know, when you've experienced those things from like

635
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: a biological perspective, and it allows them to normalize their

636
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: experiences and you know, really work from a place of understanding.

637
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: And then I'm really into holistic practices, so like meditation

638
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: and mindfulness. So like YouTube has like some really awesome videos.

639
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: But there is a instagrammer who I followed, and I

640
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: followed her for a few years. Her name is Bathshila

641
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: Marie On on Instagram. She's urban, so she's like a

642
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: young black woman and she is into like health and wellness,

643
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: but she's also into, you know, how do you love

644
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: yourself more. I think a lot of clients that I

645
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: work with, whether they're diagnosed with depression of my polities

646
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: or or with my personality uhm diagnosis, they really struggle

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Speaker 1: and it's a book about UM basically like radical acceptance

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Speaker 1: and then move forward from that and let go of

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Speaker 1: sound like some great suggestions for people to check out?

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Speaker 1: So where can people find you, Melissa? Where can they

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Speaker 1: find out more information about you and your practice? So?

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Speaker 1: I am located in New York City, i am licensed

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Speaker 1: in New York and I'm licensed in Maryland as well.

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Speaker 1: I do tell Ahealth and I work out of wellness

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Speaker 1: basis for my in person sessions. My website is Melissa

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Speaker 1: Eiffel dot com and my Instagram UM handled is Melissa.

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Speaker 1: That's M E L I S S A I F

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Speaker 1: I L L l C s W. So that is

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Speaker 1: where you can find me Melissa Iffel l C s W.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm very active on Instagram pretty much every day

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Speaker 1: I post something UM and my website is up and

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Speaker 1: you so much for chatting with us today, Melissa. I

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